The Sonic Frontiers Update Wasn't Very Good

[@brandonsclips7741]

Sonic Frontiers continuing the sonic tradition of "it's a pretty okay game if you ignore how bad the other parts are "

[@darky1677]

if people want to spend their money for mid at best games it's fine,it's their money,but when the sonic community is one of the most toxic communities i've ever seen that jumps you if you don't like their games then that's too much. the game has so many flaws that it's barely better than another shitty experience released last year,scarlet and violet.

[@tountoes1677]

@@darky1677 It’s just sad at this point. These people are obsessed with Sonic because it was probably their childhood and they can’t let it go no matter how bad the games get. I’m just glad I grew up with Mario instead.

[@Klaxynd]

@@tountoes1677I grew up with both Sonic and Mario, but haven’t played a Sonic game since Generations and even then a missed a bunch in between.

[@Autistic_Artist_795]

​@@KlaxyndI wasn't a fan of where the series went in the 2010s even though I loved Generations. But after that, I felt alienated by the series and then Sonic Forces basically killed my passion for the franchise. Sonic just doesn't hype me anymore. Which is why I've been getting into other games. I still "like" Sonic to an extent, but I'm not passionate for it anymore.

[@TokkanRAM]

Ediit: See @MegaCubanX' s reply

[@MaruIsAlone]

how the fuck did I get that 3 frames window IN FUCKING SONIC but I cant get it in Dark Souls? FUCK.

[@Octav2000]

FRAMES?!

[@azimulhoque1497]

That's a smaller Window than the Third strike parry iirc

[@jumponeverything]

3 frames is insane, makes me feel very proud of actually beating on hard after hearing that

[@Shibanu_]

3 frames feels hard but fine. Haven't played but if the timing is clear than 3 frames is fine.

[@FletcherReedsRandomness]

Sonic fans: Sonic Frontiers is too easy! We want more challenge! Sonic Team: *smiles evilly*

[@reginlief1]

Tails’ delayed ascent seems to be used in platforming sections to slip under obstacles before going up.

[@Zegaexiron]

By upping the difficulty, they shined a new light on the game's already obvious jank and it's frustrating. Super Sonic was still hype but even then things are messy. Definitely for Sonic fans with patience.

[@dimitridsmoreira]

I swear, i have never seen a more polarizing DLC/Update for a game in a while. I personally really loved it, but i can completely understand why so many people didn't enjoy it.

[@TheJmack90]

Because it’s just ok. You can find enjoyment out of it (if you tolerate it) but it could be WAY better. Which pretty much sums up the entire game to begin with.

[@plooper14]

We gotta stop calling sonic games polarizing when every time it’s just sonic fanboys loving it and everyone else hating it

[@dimitridsmoreira]

@@plooper14 I didn't see the "Sonic fanboys" loving Sonic Boom and Sonic Forces, they absolutely hate it. It goes to show how bad/mediocre those games were. With Frontiers is a different case, because not only it was a sucess, most people really like it and thought it was a good step in the right direction. There is still potencial, they just need a bigger budget and team, and definitely more time.

[@WolfXGamerful]

@@plooper14 Don't isolate every critic as a "Sonic fanboy" bro. Imagine a casual gamer attempting to understand what the game is asking of them with every single update. If a casual can understand it and still find it challenging, then that's one thing. From what I saw, the Frontiers DLC _doesn't_ convey those things in front of the player when they need it most. That difference in understanding is what divides people. Some find success where others don't. Some are left in the dark while others get it immediately. That is what polarization is. There is a divide that you must see. Ignoring that divide will only lead to stagnation.

[@escargoat8552]

​@@dimitridsmoreira It's not a budget issue. It's a creative issue. Frontiers is filled with creative choices that are so questionable that it make me wonder if Sonic Team really has any idea what it's doing. I don't know how people can argue that it's a "step in the right direction" when the game recycles most of its core mechanics from the boost games while copying the homework of other more successful games without understanding what made those games so successful. It's not ambitious, it's not experimental, it's just another mediocre 3D Sonic game in disguise. If it was set in Green Hill Zone instead of Generic Unreal Engine Land then people would be able to see that.

[@BoxoSpoons]

Like you were kind of saying, for me a lot of it really just comes back to the question of why it’s apparently such a struggle for Sonic Team to get these characters to control as well as they did in the game that came out the same year as Ocarina of Time.

[@whaleping]

Skyward Sword (2012) Link doesn’t control well compare to Ocarina of Time (1998)

[@breamorrill]

@@whalepingThat’s not even comparable to this imo. Link is still fine in both, but in Frontiers the 3 new characters all have their issues (mainly Knuckles)

[@felixorozco4055]

@@whaleping but, to be entirely fair, it's not gamebreaking. It doesn't feel as finnicky or imprecise. It still works for what it was meant to, not something yo can always say about sonic.

[@benmalsky9834]

@@felixorozco4055 For some, it always does work.

[@destroyermcw626]

@@breamorrillI cheated some platforms with Knuckles by Doing an air combo then Quickly glide and rinse and repeat to get higher.

[@yggdrasilsaltar]

if i had to describe sonic frontiers in a word it would probably be… *experimental* it does ALOT of very risky things that i dont think sega would’ve done around 10 years ago, its both the best and the worst part of the game?

[@NickyShadow99]

100% agree.

[@GoldStorm07]

It's the same as SA1 and Unleashed in that it dares to try. Those are my three favorite 3D Sonic games since that kind of gung-ho ambition is what I want to see out of Sonic.

[@jaretco6423]

And that's exactly why I couldn't get into these games cause everytime Sega does something experimental to Sonic, it always comes up as either mixed bag or an absolute failure. Why can't they make him just be simple and does what it does best?

[@islandboy9381]

experimental without the polish, classic Sonic Team

[@Shaflugi]

Last time they were experimental was with Sonic Lost World. I can really appreciate what they were going for, but it just wasn't fun, unfortunately.

[@andrewkos5560]

I feel like my biggest issue with the DLC is that the mechanics don't really feel solid enough for most of what it's asking you to do. I found Frontiers to be a bit too easy in most places, but it felt like it was at least working within the constraints of it's engine and physics. I'm 100% down for making Sonic more challenging, but so much of the difficulty in this comes down to jank because it's trying to do WAY more in-depth platforming. I said to myself "I don't think this is meant to be difficult" more than I should have. The Final Trial is also just awful and the one thing I hope they change. I don't think I've seen anyone defend it.

[@Shrekinspace]

i’ve seen plenty of sonic fans somehow try and defend the last trial, i don’t get it

[@plooper14]

@@Shrekinspaceit’s because they have low standards when it comes to gameplay. They mostly care about how badass sonic looks

[@benmalsky9834]

@@plooper14No they don’t.

[@benmalsky9834]

@@plooper14It’s not low standards, it’s you being too critical.

[@Falvern57]

The final trial is a bit of trouble spot to be sure, but I will say this about it to be fair: The trial as a whole isn't all that demanding. The issue is entirely with Wyvern being too erratic to be able to time parries reliably and consistently. Past that, the trial isn't that big of a deal.

[@PikaLink91]

1:25 That's what I keep saying! People keep going on and on with "iT's a StEp iN tHe RiGhT DirEcTiOn" and I'm like "...but when do we arrive then?" We have been "a step in the right direction for 2 decades now, and personally I don't think it's enough if a game is "a step in the right direction", no, it should just be good on its own, plain and simple. Afterall, we pay hard earned money for this shit, and yet we are content with "a step in the right direction" for something that cost us $70?

[@Bbyboy777]

My thoughts exactly! I don’t have anything against people finding enjoyment in this game, because for many, it can be fun to just go fast in an open space and not care too much about details. But it’s the fact that THIS took them five years only to look like a glorified Unreal Engine fan game and ppl will turn a blind eye to that because “at least it’s in the right direction”. For context FF7 remake also took 5 years. I’m tired of fans overlooking the horrid pop in, unpolished graphics such as trees/grass, lack of momentum, glitching, reused forces models for laziness, dull colorless setting, random boxes and rails floating in the sky that are reused in every island, and much more just because it’s “a step in the right direction”.

[@Autistic_Artist_795]

THANK YOU! That's what I've been saying and I constantly got dog piled by people for saying these things. "A good step in the right direction" Is not really good enough. Especially for a game that's 60 to 70 dollars and is loaded with so much jank.

[@Autistic_Artist_795]

​@@Bbyboy777I 100% agree. If the only real major positive things people are praising Frontiers for is that it's a "Good step in the right direction" then that just tells me how poorly aged this game is gonna be later on. The same thing happened with Sonic 4 and Colors. People loved those games. Now, people hate Sonic 4 and are divided about Colors. People are tired of the wisps and Green hill and Chemical plant. Just like I am. Also, these games as well as Generations didn't promise a good future for the series ether. Sonic may be doing fine right now, But it doesn't guarantee anything for the future when Sega could screw things up..... again. And the whole "good direction" thing wouldn't have mattered.

[@PikaLink91]

@@Autistic_Artist_795Well that's the Sonic fanbase for ya. Just eating it all up, being content with bare minimum, and god have mercy on your soul if you criticize their game. Regardless, I'm glad to see people agree with my 2 cents.

[@jayonnaise6105]

There is an odd push in general towards Amy using Tarot Cards lately. I think they are releasing an officially licensed deck of Amy-themed Tarot Cards, which may be part of the reason for the push.

[@rubystardust4723]

Well when she was first introduced using tarot cards was part of her character and then it sort of disappeared with time so I think it's mostly just a callback

[@jayonnaise6105]

@@rubystardust4723 Yeah, fair enough. I can't say it was something I knew much about until recently. Frontiers does love to make those kinds of references/callbacks

[@zjzr08]

I first saw Amy's affinity to the tarot cards during the Origins cutscene before Sonic CD I think.

[@kenrulei09]

@@zjzr08it was inside the manual in jpn version it’s how she meets sonic. She had the cards before the hammer.

[@benmalsky9834]

They also had Amy using the cards in her 30th Anniversary comic.

[@BKaimana]

It’s really interesting seeing how many different opinions there was on this DLC, personally I had a really good time with it. Only really annoying trial i had was with the Snake trial.

[@wileywood1523]

I agree! I’m not done with it yet but I have had to be patient and work with some of the Jank to get used to it

[@doobiousyt]

I remember that I had to get reeeal creative with that one. It was a one-two and stomp

[@SoraFan23]

Remember and I always have to say this becuase every community is like this. If you like it thats fine, if you dislike it thats fine, but do not go around shaming other people for enjoying it.

[@destroyermcw626]

I just beaten that yesterday on Hard and what I did was get some distance,homing attack, and then Stomp, and Boost away rinse and repeat that was my strategy after trials and errors.

[@bluestar5812]

I just finished the Dragon Trial and I'm having fun. This update is the most fun and challenge I had with Sonic Frontiers ever. The base game felt before restrained and mindnumbing easy. Updates 2 and 3 completely revamped how I approach this game. Also, it helps I avoided every single spoiler and hype for this DLC, so I didn't let hype consume me. I'm playing 100% blind, forging my own opinions. My issues so far is that Knuckles gliding controls are weird, his climbing too, Tails Cynlone boost is way too fast at max speed level, and tower climbing could have used some checkpoints or those handlebars from Rhea's towers.

[@thomasisready]

Opinions about this update vary a ton, many people either absolutely loved it or despise it, and I can definetly see why. But, personally, I really enjoyed every second of it despite it's flaws. I'm for sure gonna 100% this one.

[@TomRogersComics]

On PC, modders already fixed the weird third jump stutter issue with Knuckles and Tails - it feels a lot better! But of course it should not be up to modders to fix Sonic Team's games all the time - and obviously not everyone has the game on PC! Sonic Team really needs to prioritize character movement/control. It's frustratingly close to being good (and thanks to the modders it can be great)

[@Tinvay-qw8jk]

Yeah, sonic is mostly played by console gamers, since thats where he's mostly known to begin with, he's more of a niche on the PC side so Sonic Team needs to do a hotfix soon

[@Bbyboy777]

This. I played this amazing Sonic fangame called Sonic Project Hero of few years ago, and it was more like a proof of concept of what modern Sonic can be, but all of the characters movements felt so good and specific to them to the point that I would call them perfect! I look at an official game like this, and to this day I can’t understand why it is an entire team of people continue to screw things up, but a fan project made by ONE person understands the assignment.

[@sonicboy678]

I have far more of an issue with Knuckles _actually gliding_ than I do with him initiating one, along with scaling walls.

[@TomRogersComics]

@@sonicboy678 after playing as knuckles a bit more (I still haven't finished the new content) I totally see what you mean! The turning feels off.

[@PuppetMasterIX]

When I started the last Tails story beat, I unlocked the Cyclone as a skill and quickly discovered "...wait, this is broken as frick. I can just fly to that objective, can't I?" Sure enough, I did just that after triggering Infinity Boost, then immediately did it again for the next objective before it switched back to Sonic. It was sort of cathartic being able to just say "screw off" to the jank-as-flip platforming (that is _not_ a compliment to the game).

[@J.R.Unbound]

Honestly, I got to the point where you start playing as Knuckles, and after the game detached me from a wall while I was climbing it and I fell to the beginning of a puzzle for the third time... I just kinda got up and turned off the console. Like, there's a lot of games I want to get to and university work to do. And after watching Sam Procrastinates' stream of it, I am honestly glad I did.

[@587DeathKing]

When Knuckles fell down AND WAS FLIPPED AROUND I genuinely just looked at the screen in disgust and said *why?*

[@mechashadow]

I agree it happened to me like three times on a map puzzle, I don't know why Knuckles needed such a strong skid animation instead of small bounce animation, or even none and he does'nt progress on non-climable areas.

[@ctpp64]

@@587DeathKing because you touched a non-climbable wall, and you can easily re-attach yourself with a double jump/air boost. the game teaches you these mechanics fairly early on. the update is designed for hardcore fans, so yeah you're expected to have a mastery of the mechanics

[@StewNWT]

OMG Jon - your sexy concerned voice at the start of this video was a bit swoony. 'Hey, close the door' I was all like 'you don't have to tell me twice handsome' bwahaha. Damn you so fine. Also love GVG channel

[@plasticsoldier234]

Am I the only one who feels like they really missed some cut Scenes? Like I beat the main game and was like cool ill go to the giant ring now and suddenly we're back in cyber space talking about the emeralds are missing and sonic has corruption

[@spacecat275]

I agree with some of your criticism but overall was way more positive with the whole update The dlc has some of the most interesting platforming challenges in the open world compared to base game It has the best cyberspace stages And the new characters despite some issues are overall still fun to traverse/explore with

[@ThatGuyYouShouldKnow]

I honestly wish the difficulty switch was gone. The differences in each mode make it feel like they cut up a cohesive game for difficulty differences

[@GameAW1]

The difficulty switch is the only thing that made the dlc playable at all for me. Besides, its Sonic. Save the git gud design for Dark Souls or something like that.

[@ThatGuyYouShouldKnow]

@GameAW1 I mostly meant it in a way of making a cohesive balances game instead of having difficulties. Basing challenges off of skill and what you've unlocked rather than having to make you change the difficulty to just get past the part you're on. I'm upset about the "get good" mentality though. It's not satisfying when the game still throws tou around with a single wrong button input

[@RevolvingCube]

I felt that except I was more angry at the platforming and anxiety because of how high you had to go and if you mess up and fall all the way down you have to climb your way back. The difficult spike was just mean at times to a point I had to go from Hard to Easy and that felt embarrassing to me

[@jetsurge250]

Only for the towers with Sonic. The other characters can fly/glide so it is easier to recover.

[@ViltrumiteIsRite99]

Pshhh, naw. When I heard about the obnoxious difficulty + how much thery wanted you to do, I changed it after trying to fight Spider + as Amy. I’m not here to struggle and spend hrs on repeat deaths, thanks.

[@best_mate456]

Well as long you try again that’s ok

[@TVobe2010]

This is not adventure era anymore is generic or serios era

[@AnimalXing]

I’m still grinding out the Master King’s trial and I’m miserable

[@connormchugh7697]

My only real gripe with the final boss, was the circle of trees that blocks half to 3/4s of your view at nearly every moment. The fight IS epic, but if you have to perfect parry THROUGH the treeline, it totally takes away from the experience.

[@lasercraft32]

I feel like the final boss was NOT worth the pain of the towers and the titan boss rush... The final boss _would_ have been good, except the camera is TERRIBLE, and the intended method of beating it is unintuitive. They don't tell you that you can press the back trigger button to switch targets from the boss to the purple wire. I started the battle knowing this and even then it was awful because the game is just generally janky and unresponsive, and wouldn't switch targets half the time (and the counter attack feels repetitive too).

[@LegamSSF]

Sonic Team really looked at Jon's gripes with Knuckles' delayed gliding and said bet with the patch update

[@stevenshockley4237]

Sonic being Sonic.

[@julianx2rl]

There's one tower in which you have to cyloop some punching bag looking thing. The problem is that they don't make it clear that you have to do that, so I got stuck because I thought that the bag was only a target for you to homing attack to. Like several other homing strings.

[@jackomon1129]

Honestly, Amy not having her hammer does ruin the DLC for me...I WANT TO USE HER HAMMER!!!

[@lobsteros]

She does have some moves that use it, like the Cyhammer... but apparently she can't attack with it because something something cyberspace (so says the dialogue (whatever you say Ian Flynn))

[@messy64]

I think SonicTeam really needs to rework their approach to Skill Tree’s because I don’t believe them to offer anything new that Upgrades in Adventure-Unleashed did. The progression of it feels almost entirely artificial and it doesn’t help that the combat feels pretty rough Imo.

[@JusaWanderer]

They should just not have a skill tree in general. It's such a "modern games" thing to add fir a series that doesn't really need it. If Open Zone is going to continue, then they need to place skills within the environment to push the player towards exploration.

[@Coplanersirtax9]

@@JusaWanderer I honestly don't know why sonic needs to have button mashinc combat. The best part of the game is running around the open world and platforming. If they expanded on that and threw out the puzzles, 2d parts, and maybe remade the combat systerm they could have a great game on their hands.

[@JaidynReiman]

@@Coplanersirtax9 I agree with hiding skills in the levels instead of a skill tree. That said, the reason why the combos exist and having button mashing combat is so they can implement more variety in the open worlds. If we just wander around the open world platforming and only focus on puzzles and small bite-sized platforming gimmicks, I don't think it'd be as interesting. I think the idea of having skills is good, but you need to mix it up a bit. Such as, IDK, make Knuckles the one who actually gets the combos instead of Sonic.

[@Coplanersirtax9]

@@JaidynReiman You say this but mario odyssey a game that has a very similar structure with frontiers has no combat and is still engaging the entire time. People just love running and jumping around as mario and if they nail sonics controls like they did with the last update the game would work fine with no combat. Not every game needs combat imo

[@plooper14]

The need to rework their approach to literally everything

[@gleamingroses2952]

Amy has always had Tarot cards, it's always been implied to be how she has good intuition and it was how she met Sonic, her having them for combat isn't the problem, if anything its a welcomed expansion to her moveset, its that her Hammer shouldn't play a backseat to them when its been just as part of her character, even marketed with her as flying is to Tails or Gliding/Climbing is with Knuckles. And the story poorly explains that, they say she can't use her hammer, but don't explain why or how its just her hammer. Yet she can use it for Cyhammer and it damages enemies. The big issue is that most of her tarot moveset just copies abilities she could already do with her hammer, so she isn't do anything she couldn't already do with her hammer, in fact her acrobatic flip after the stomp is just her hammer vault from Adventure and her glide is her hammer glide. she even has a spin move that makes her dizzy like adventure and P06. Outside of the tarot trap and tarot cycle (two cool abilities) her cards should not just be hammer rekins, because at that point just use her hammer, instead of lazily supplementing it.

[@JaidynReiman]

I disagree that "Amy has always had Tarot cards". No, she hasn't. The games literally never showed her having Tarot cards until Frontiers and maybe Superstars. Even then, in Frontiers they're only _mentioned_ prior to the DLC. Amy lore-wise has "always had Tarot cards" (which technically even predated her Hammer) but it was a thing shown in manuals and promotional material, and even then, it was _barely_ shown.

[@RadiantBlazeVA]

​@@JaidynReimanChronicles used it too btw, Frontiers wasn't the first game to show it

[@cjt217]

You knew this was about to be serious when this loaded in and there's no music

[@KyleOO5]

Honestly if the "dlc" was just a new final boss plus being able to play as Knuckles, Amy and Tails in the post game with a couple of new platforming challenges it would've been great instead of the frustrating mess we got

[@ians_parks]

I was led to believe that it was an additional story dlc but it ended up being an alternate "what if" scenario with the same island, same final boss, same titan music, just remixed somewhat and obviously harder. Its similar to KH3 Remind. Both left me underwhelmed. At least in Frontier's defense theirs was free.

[@Zyaire286]

It’s free 100% but why do I feel robbed at the same time 0v0

[@GameFreak164X]

The problem with the game's difficulty: good games that are really hard like Dark Souls, DKC, Mega Man, etc always have their mechanics polished to a tee. Frontier's mechanics are janky enough that you start failing challenges due to the jank, which leads to a lot of frustration. Not to mention that the physics and controls aren't fine-tuned to the point that they literally let the players change Sonic's physics.

[@DontKnowDontCare6.9]

According to an urban legend, Takashi Iizuka's front teeth gains a 0.5 mm. gap every time he leads Sonic Team to make a garbage game.

[@OtherScott64]

I think that fact that this high difficulty content came put so long after most people had put the game down, hurts things even more. I bought the game in February, and King's Trial took me so long because I had forgotten everything about the boss/super sonic combat. And besides one optional scene with Sage (as knuckles) they should have mentioned that the other 3 are not supposed to fight bosses.

[@Neoxon619]

What I did was Spin Dash my way half-way up the towers to skip most of the obstacles.

[@Jimbobalina1]

I just started replaying Spark the Electric Jester 3 again. Plays beautifully.

[@JomaXZ]

I’m still very positive about the future, considering how receptive to feedback the director has been throughout and how some of that stuff was implemented in the first two updates. Jump Deceleration and the Spin Dash are the best things that got fixed/added... That said... It’s very telling that one of the first codes added to the PC versions mod manager was one that removes the windup animation to Knuckles’ glide and stomp... But, again, since they are listening to feedback, I doubt we’ll see another update for Frontiers (maybe a hotfix or two), but whatever comes next might include the new characters and have them as a part of the development pipeline from the start without being hastily thrown together for this free update. I have faith. Frontiers was a stumble in the right direction. Not gonna comment on the difficulty, it’s just gonna sound like humble bragging, but yeah, it probably should have been playtested a lot more. Especially the towers and their trials. The roadmap said «End of 2023». They could have spent more time on this...

[@whaleping]

It also been awhile since the old ips have been challenging. I’m actually disappointed Tears of the Kingdom didn’t have anything more challenging after BoTW’s Lynels.

[@bigcade554]

It seems like they just wanted it out before Superstars for some reason, but they could've had it come out after, or just planned Superstars for November instead?

[@TheCourier0613]

love the challenge in this update. Also agree with what you said about tears of the kingdom@@whaleping

[@JomaXZ]

@@bigcade554 I'd have been fine with the update coming out late November or early December and Superstars coming when it's coming now personally, but who knows what the marketing department is thinking. Probably some psychology trick or statistic saying this was the smartest move or something.

[@Arcad3n]

I didn’t have any issues with the update, outside of having to set the difficulty to easy for that last trial. Everything else was exactly what I was hoping for, and more. Can’t wait for the next game considering what they’ve done here.

[@CorynSilver]

I was already on easy and the last trial was a drag. Not to mention the final boss took way too long cuz I didn’t know how to attack the cable, as how to do that was never explicitly explained, or if it was I don’t remember cuz I played the game at launch, got the platinum the same week, and didn’t touch it again

[@thedoctordb5765]

At the start of the video and with the title I was like, "Could it be? I actually disagree with him on something?" But then when you got to the Sonic Adventure mechanics as your reasoning I was like, "Oh, well, yeah that makes sense." I've personally been waiting for the 3D games to get that level of fluidity and precision back ever since. And for Sonic, Frontiers is the closest we've gotten to that but yes, there are still some janky aspects to his mechanics. Other than that it was almost a perfect experience for me. I thought having everyone be able to Homing Attack except Tails and forcing him to throw things while in-flight was a weird decision, and definitely think the ratio of Hammer to Cards should be flipped for Amy, but other than that I'm fairly pleased with their movesets. But, yes, they are all still noticeably less smooth to control than a decades-old title. While that part will never make any sense to me (that they can't get the movements right in 3D when they already did the very first time), I am quite happy with my time with the DLC so far. I definitely would've been $20 or so for a season pass with all the updates we've gotten. Also, would've loved more control over Tails' altitude while in air for that extra level of precision. I do agree with all the frustrating and less-logical aspects, but I've gotten through maybe half or more of the update and am still left with a mostly positive experience. Having to climb back up without the purple walls to target was definitely a chore, but I managed somehow lol. The worst parts for me was when you had to boost or hold forward to have a chance at crossing a certain section and had no warning of the sort. Both the towers and Cyberspace levels are way too focused on doing it all in one go. I love how weird and interesting the new cyberspace levels are, but feel awfully discouraged from trying to get all the animals, numbers, and moon rings when one mistake means having to restart everything. If they didn't want to make it too easy to traverse, then maybe a good compromise would've been adding a checkpoint when you do complete one of those tasks. Just respawn at the start of that spot with the numbers or moon rings while having the game recognize you just got them. That'd be a great QoL update. Overall, I've had a fantastic time with all parts of this game, and am sorry to hear you didn't have exactly the same experience. But I do definitely agree that, outside of a free update for post-game content, the other characters need some massive tune-ups to be used in future games. Yes, if they were released like this for a new Adventure-style game, it'd essentially ruin it. Love how the platforming feels like I need to watch my movement again instead of just hold straight or boost, but really need all the characters to be smooth again.

[@tomscastle3757]

I could look past the perfect parry during the boss rush if we weren't stuck with 400 rings across all 3 fights with no way to recover any between bosses. Being at lvl 1 attack is also annoying since the only worthwhile attack is the sidestep attack for doing the most dps (other than perfect parry, but that's if they feel like attacking you). I'm still stuck on this part and I may just watch the rest of it since it's too frustrating to play.

[@supra_sr]

Just switch it to Easy, you can hold parry for 3 seconds

[@VGAfanatic]

I personally think of this update as a mixed bag. Amy, Knuckles and Tails are great to play as, and I think the story and execution of the Final boss are a huge redemption of the ending of the base game. However, the Challenges, especially the Towers, are arbitrarily hard, to the point that I had to switch to Easy Mode just to finish Tower 1. There is also no point to doing Cyberspace or Mini Bosses when Beacon Kocos and Gears are everywhere in Cyloop Signs. Ultimately, it is kind of a lesser Expansion to the best 3D Sonic game in years, but worth trying at least once. Also, if I have to hear the same lyrics of Knuckles' overworld theme one more time, I'm gonna lose it.

[@RevolvingCube]

There's no time to take it slow........

[@RevolvingCube]

Let the blood inside you flow

[@RevolvingCube]

I got so sick of the characters song after awhile because of how repetitive they got

[@supra_sr]

@@RevolvingCube Yeah, I think vocal themes are a bad call when you're going to be spending upwards of a few hours listening to them.

[@RyderPlatinumWarpstar]

Honestly, I would’ve felt robbed if I paid for this DLC. I’m glad they just made it free. It feels like more effort was put into the DLC than the base game, but that effort was not used in a good way. I mostly enjoyed the DLC, but the tower trials absolutely sucked. No way those were properly playtested.

[@chipputer]

I was fine with everything up until the tower climbs and the, "you enjoy playing this game on Hard? Here, have a 3 frame parry window on attacks that don't have an obvious hitbox tell." I understand making something difficult for an ending/optional segment but whoever designed the DLC obviously doesn't understand the difference between something being difficult and something being flat out unfair. I also don't care much for how the jankiness of the game affects the characters in the game but I've dealt with jank in my Sonic games for so long that I mostly just expect it. You eventually learn to work around it or force it to work in your favor. Still doesn't change the fact that I got frustrated as Knuckles more than a few times when the game decided to just... not let me climb a wall because I approached it from an angle that it didn't like. The exact same way Sonic happens to randomly fly off of his walls, come to think of it. Someone also needs to tell the people who designed the platforming to remember that some players will approach them with maxed stats because... man. So many problems with the platforming happen because having max speed feels so good for traversal but then it works entirely against the player in platforming.

[@RustEliel]

I have to legitimately ask, because you didn't mentioned at all in here. Did you unlocked the Spindash? Because I loved this update because of the Spindash. It does not break the game at all, but it gives you options on how do you want to solve challenges. For me the Spindash is the MVP of this update and makes the experience really enjoyable. Making my only bad moment with the update the 4th tower and the boss rush. Other than that, I had a blast.

[@JaidynReiman]

I've found the Spindash to not only be completely and totally useless, it actively makes the game _worse_ for me. Because instead of being able to potentially recover if I fall on the tower climbs, I accidentally spindash and fall all the way to the bottom instead. And I never found _any_ use for the spindash otherwise, the boost is just better in every situation.

[@VelvetAura]

​@@JaidynReimanI got tons of use out of the spindash but it does make platforming more tricky. But the spindash singlehandedly made the update way more fun for me, and I went out of my way to prioritize unlocking it for everyone

[@Bornagainvillain]

You automatically get Spin Dash in the update

[@VelvetAura]

@@Bornagainvillain as Sonic, yeah

[@TheDavidVAs]

I honestly couldn't bring myself to finish so I just watched the ending on KZbin. Better use of my time IMO.

[@Epicmblol155]

They are gonna roast you alive for this but i agree i think this dlc highlights all the issues with the game more than anything, aside from the new cyberspace stages

[@kadosho02]

Been awhile since I last played Frontiers, so I started a new save file. I will give the new dlc a try later, I'm not in a rush. Bummer to hear that it's a hit, and a miss when it comes to control, design, and difficulty. With it being free, is a nice choice, but I do agree maybe it needed more time in the oven. Given how many recent games have been charging more for extra content. Sega made a choice to offer dlc for free throughout Frontiers journey. I give them credit for doing so, it is an ambitious move.

[@StardustWhip]

I think my ultimate takeaway from Sonic Frontiers is that it's a good game that could eventually be used as a framework to create a truly great game (ideally with alternate characters that play better than the ones we saw in Last Horizon). Like how Sonic Unleashed was to Colors and eventually Generations, I'm predicting we'll be seeing games in the next decade that iterate on Frontier's formula and rank among the best in the series... until we reach another Forces/06 moment and Sega decides to reinvent the formula yet again...

[@whaleping]

I think they have forward thinking plans with Update 3, giving returning gamers after 10 or 20 years a challenge to Frontiers.

[@weebsquit347]

The roadmap updates as a whole feels like it was cut content they were adding back in.

[@CommanderZaktan]

People who played Frontiers: This game is too easy. Kishimoto: And I took that personality. We paid the price

[@Benjamillion]

Being a casual gamer I enjoyed the "play at your own pace" style of the base game. Brought back what I enjoyed about the original Sonic games in that it wasn't reliant on a rating system and that I could just explore.

[@best_mate456]

Sega needs to satisfy the casual players at the same time it also must challenge the hard core fan as well That is not a easy thing to solve except difficulty but those can fail if not in a right move

[@Itsumi456]

Fadel is slowly approaching your location at Mach 10 Jon

[@logfinite]

the update would have been kinda alright if it wasn’t for that insane master trial, even on easy mode you have to apply borderline speedrun strats

[@MartKart8]

This game's update runs horrible on Nintendo Switch, because when I was climbing the third tower, the game began to lag so badly, and when I reached the top and spoke to the Coco, when the game tried to load the new area, the game soft locked on a loading screen.

[@best_mate456]

Yes and I am afraid that the next gen games are no longer going to be available on switch because the switch is a very weak console for graphics or frame rates

[@DontKnowDontCare6.9]

Dont blame the Switch. Nintendo made a great launch game with Breath of the Wild without any major problems. Sonic Team copies Breath of the Wild, but doesnt know how to optimize their cheap garbage.

[@MartKart8]

@@DontKnowDontCare6.9 I wasn't blaming Nintendo, I was blaming Sega, Sega should of made several models of some of the same platforms, the further away, a character, a lower poly version of those objects get displayed, and the close the character, say Sonic gets close to the higher version get displayed, it's a thing I learnt about game development. I once lowered a vertices, faces of an object for someone, for a game someone is making, the object was close to 30 MB in size and I lowered it close to 2MB in size and the object stilled looked close to being the same, I use modelling software at home.

[@giganticmoon]

They really overhyped this…?

[@DesignDoc]

Yeah…I enjoyed the new characters and the open zone challenges themselves (aside from the combat) but yeah no it feels like they didn’t actually properly play test the mandatory challenges. What a mess. I will disagree on knuckle's climbing feeling worse than sonics. It's not anywhere near prefect but I had a much easier time on walls as knuckles than as Sonic but still...why isn't it better. Amy might actually be the best character in the game (aside from combat) though, at least after you get most of her skills. Weird how they lean so hard into the tarot cards but w/e.

[@nightlydata2181]

I liked the DLC but I get the complaints. Most of these "issues" started wit base frontiers & wouldn't blame the update for 90% of it aside from the fact that it really didn't tell u anythin to understand wut you're in for. I didn't have to look anythin up till the final boss but MANY other ppl were hella confused from jump & NOBODY was prepared for that difficulty spike. I don't think the new towers R "bad" HOWERVER there R a few things suroundin them that for many may not make them immediately fun for many. I think the main thing out of all of them is the SLIDERS. THEY NEED TO GO! Part of the reason that base frontiers is so "easy" for many is that it has to account for so many variables in control so it ends up becomin less engagin as a whole. These tower challenges realize this & R thus made for a SPECIFIC control scheme. That bein REALLY TIGHT ESPECIALLY ON DECELERATION. I alr had controls like this so my time may have been "better" than others who had other settins like somethin more akin to Adv. The part were they put those purple things that were never meant to respawn in a challenge that anticipates u doin over & over again through failure without changin those specific ones to actually respawn on their own without a reload was a genuinely "poor" oversight tho. On characters I have my small gripes like the tarot card thing u mentioned however that in particular for prob diff reasons than most. I also thought tails was perfect aside from the missed opportunity to have the tail wip like u mentioned & maybe even the dummy ring bomb(even add in the 1st person aim thig but "better"). I think the startup for Knuckles feels a little weird but I've heard some possible defences for Y it's there. The glidin I thought was fine & while u maybe could argue it could be smoothened out a bit his turnin is probably how it's SUPPOSED to be in a 3D space not only cus it's more realistic but cus that's damn near EXACTLY how he does it in his DEBUT GAME S3&K! It might seem weird at 1st considerin 1 is 2d vs 3d but if u pay attention to both & use your imagination to visualize it it's close. As a whole I thought the characters were the "best" they've played in a 3D space in the series & the only thing that could hold it back significantly is if u didn't alr like the base frontiers handlin. This isn't adv, this is FRONTIERS. Ppl R disappointed cus it's diff from wut we've had ingrained in us for too long. These characters haven't had the chance to be diff so ppl were expectin business as usual when this is a diff gamestyle under a diff team. The trials R fine if u know wut u're doin but many ppl won't know cus the game never says. The boss rush & the parry R (AMONG MANY OTHERS) things ppl wanted that got put in this update that weren't things the base game as rough as it is was meant to handle. Giganto & Knight R "fine" on hard IF U KNO WUT TO DO BUT THEY DON'T TELL U! Wyvern is the only 1 that genuinely "sucks" in this for a MULTITUDE of reasons I don't wanna go through here but lets jus say the parry is both the "best" & "worst" aspect of it all at the same time. The final boss is sick but it misses things from the old endin that I wish were there & makes some significant story changes that ppl may like or dislike. It's a surprisingly free rough update for a rough game that was made in less than a year along wit other updates. 2 VERY IMPORTANT things to note R 1. as Kishimoto said himself this is an EXPERIMENT for the next game & R mostly things WE WANTED that they're testin to better implement into the base of THAT game & seein wut they did add/change from from CS stuff to greater engagement in platformin I'm REALLY excited on a gameplay level at least that the next thing could genuinely wit little to no caveats be on that Unleashed to Gens level if SEGA gives them the time & MANPOWER they need. More importantly than knowin wut ppl want they also now seem to know HOW WE WANT IT for the most part(at least for now). The 2nd thing is it doesn't replace the base game & is off to the side in many ways so u can ignore it. I have other things I could say but as a whole for me this turned a supremely rough 6-7/10 game to a supremely rough 7-8/10 wit all the updates.

[@kyloren1420]

I think it's better on lower difficulties

[@dj.c-t5575]

man this dlc seems hella mixed

[@Oscargoo]

I feel like Jon is usually very positive on games that showed promise but didn’t quite deliver so this video is very telling on just how much Sonic team messed up what was supposed to be their apology for the ending of frontiers

[@Farkonso]

That boss rush sucks so bad it's not fun at all. All those cutscenes make it such a drag and made me not want to keep trying. Wyvern alone makes it so unbearable because the attack animations make no sense (just random flailing) and if you miss a single parry then you're dead to the 20 second wait before you can attack again. By the time I got to the final boss I was just so mad I didn't even enjoy it. Plus the fact that trees fill 95% of the screen and you can't see anything/ I don't think the tower climbing was that bad. I had to alter Sonic's controls in the settings though to turn back up the air deceleration and go slowly which isn't very Sonic like though. Most of the ugly new platforming segments weren't as good as the ones in the base game though. The extra characters aren't worth it at all. I thought they were going to be locked to special cyber space stages and have unique controls like adventure, but nah they're all just sonic with a glide. What's the point... Amy's stop is the only fun thing but it's just a less exciting version of the hammer jump. 80% of the new cyber space stages are pretty lame too. I almost skipped all the side challenges because like, who actually wants to slowly carry animals around and pick up numbers in reverse order in a boost game? Update 2 gave me such hope with the Koco platforming, air deceleration change and spin dash, but update 3 was just lame. I honestly wish it was shorter rather than 10 hours of tedious, low effort filler. Not to mention the bugs with music randomly stopping, or being stuck in the boss music. Or when the boss rush would glitch out and send me flying 1000 feet into the air and soft lock. Man

[@Blazio]

Every time I like something I go to internet and find out everyone hated it 💀💀

[@PKGamingOmega]

So...I agree that Knuckles is the worst to control. His climbing is super janky and it's impossible to correct or readjust yourself in air with him. I agree that it wasn't a good call to have objects you need to Homing Attack on your way up towers not respawn when you fall down. I think the original bosses weren't designed with perfect parrying in mind, so the timing is off. I also had to switch to Easy specifically for the Wyvern fight. That being said, I still had a blast with this final update. I personally loved the way Amy and especially Tails controlled. I actually thought climbing the towers was kinda fun and it felt super satisfying making it to the top. Aside from the Snake Trial which I had to look up a strategy for, I honestly thought the trials were pretty easy. And again, other than needing to switch to Easy for Wyvern, I thought the Master Koco boss rush was pretty manageable. If I'm being honest, I think a lot of the complaints I've heard about the difficulty are a bit overblown. I don't consider myself some kind of elite pro gamer or whatever, but it really wasn't that bad for me. I personally really enjoyed this update and I think it serves as a much better send off than the original ending.

[@Edward.Elric18]

Tweak your controls bruh. Knuckles controls great

[@PKGamingOmega]

@@Edward.Elric18 None of the control options can fix Knuckles stiff gliding and finicky climbing controls where he plummets to the ground if he so much as grazes a non-climbable part of a wall. I disagree with a lot of what Jon said in this video, but I do agree that Knuckles in particular controlled a lot better in the Adventure games.

[@Trashedaccount123]

I've never seen Jon so disappointed

[@DontKnowDontCare6.9]

Sonic Team's level of quality throughout the decades will do that to a sane, jolly person.

[@rubystardust4723]

It really is interesfing how polarizing this DLC is. I will say I personay never got into frontiers. But I think this is a good thing. See, people that don't like this style, no matter how hard they try will never like it. So instead of making palatable to people like me, they leaned hard into what they knew the fans would enjoy. I respect that a lot.

[@Pasta-P]

18:40 "Am I being too negative, am I just seeing the wrongs and the wrongdoings." Absolutely not, you just want what's best for Sonic. That, I can respect. I personally enjoyed my time with Update 3, and I agree, there are flaws that could be improved on in the next Open Zone title. You're doing a great thing voicing your opinion on this, it's what the director of Sonic Frontiers, Morio Kishimoto, wants to hear. Feedback, so that his next work could be one of the best Sonic games. I agree that Amy should use her hammer more, I agree Knuckles should be better in terms of combat. Tails is just perfect to me, but the boy's got potential for even more. You are NOT being too negative, you are NOT just seeing the wrongs and the wrongdoings. You're just being honest... That is what mister Kishimoto wants out of everyone.

[@CorynSilver]

I actually didn’t have any issues climbing the towers, it was only the Trials that were absurdly difficult. Fuck the boss rush tho, ruined the entire ending for me cuz I was too upset

[@Aktedya1-jt7vw]

Really dissapointed that you can't use the new characters on other Islands, and that they suck at combat

[@willanrac]

Lol I kinda find it funny seeing everyones take and not liking the choices for game play. Not talking about music, level design, and story which i really liked. I came late to this game, and was playing it as dlc dropped, going from the transition from playing hard campaign felt like a bump. I noticed right away i was 1/99 out of everything on the new characters and i think i was barely 40/99 on anything in sonic. I didnt really upgrade anything. I was really hyped seeing the new versions of mini bosses on the field that were no joke, and knew oh, I am not clearly ready for this on amy, what am I missing? and looked at my talents and the npc that started to give you points.

[@sla_2023]

the story is confusing, like, why the fuck was a MOON the final boss of the game? and we have no explanation for this.

[@otakufengmin1582]

@@sla_2023 its not actually a moon, the ned is literally death itself so depending on who is seeing it will look differently so to us its a mon but to everyone else its completely different.

[@Danielruni]

After spending more time with the update to complete everything I've kinda came back around on it side, but the difficulty was definitely very jarring when I first played through the story even the final boss left a really bad impression on me since it broke multiple times and the ending while definitely cool I kinda prefer the original more melancholy ending still Exploring the world and getting everything as each character after I was able to see the spark that made me fall in love with game in the first place again but it was rough going getting back to that place again

[@Danielruni]

Also low energy disappointed Jon makes me feel like I personally let him down somehow lol

[@Whispernyan]

I mean yeah the only truly bad parts of the DLC are mostly on Sonic's side, I spent a lot of time just unlocking stuff and doing optional challenges instead of rushing to every objective so I had a lot of fun, but than that last tower and trial as sonic, and the disappointing final boss made me not want to finish the island I haven't gotten back on the game since beating it.

[@TopHatLucario]

I absolutely agree. The update was not good. I didn't enjoy playing it. It felt like work and the characters and bosses were horribly designed.

[@Dansam04]

I haven’t played it yet, but having startup lag for Knuckles’ glide is a sin in my book.

[@jetsurge250]

His platforming challenges are only bearable because of the punch air exploite.

[@sla_2023]

Honestly, you can say whatever you want, but just watching some of the gameplay of this game makes me feel bored as fuck, it's like the developers don't even care about the game.

[@shortbreadhead]

is it different when you play it?

[@sla_2023]

@@shortbreadhead Well, I didn't play it because I don't have any enthusiasm to play this game, but I've seen people who played the game complaining about how boring the game is, and if just looking at a video of someone playing it makes me feel bored and bothered, then I'd better not even play.

[@sla_2023]

@@shortbreadhead i really like this franchise, but this game is just not for me.

[@mikhail2736]

Something about the beginning of this video combined with the tone and lack of music makes me feel like I'm being lectured at the principal's office about my grades.

[@hoseinbmr3449]

sonic frontiers now is in serious need of an another patch , it is too late to win back the trust of people who are really disappointed but if sonic team just take a little more time with this game ( add a few more checkpoints , give a few of sonics attacks to his friends and polish their movesets , and let us play as them in the all islands after finishing the game ) , people like me who already liked the base game would be satisfied , but if they leave the project now i would be afraid of sonics future, yeah i liked sonic frontiers but if the next game has the same problems then i would not go easy on them again

[@it4040]

I suffered through this whole DLC just to rage quit after I got insta-killed by the final boss. At least the new cyber stages were good.

[@MrLag525]

Yea this update ain't for everyone, takes a while to get used to but once you do its incredibly fun, and if you don't like it you aren't forced to play it. (also the air control has always been a problem with frontiers, the other playable characters just amplify that since they have more air focused moves)

[@plooper14]

The coping is outta control

[@MrLag525]

@@plooper14 bro I just thought it was fun lol, everyone can have their own opinion, I was just explaining mine

[@CrasherLIX]

I can understand all your concerns, everything you said is valid. I changed my difficulty only for the boss rush, and I think I regret it, that second tower is hell.

[@andrestapia1493]

It feels like I'm playing an NES game with how BS it can get. Not to mention no new post credit scene or anything, just a basic "Congratulations! Thanks for playing!" screen

[@betlergaen5757]

I think the problem of this update is that this update is not in a state of polish that is ideal, the difficulty is unbalanced at times, and don't even tell me about the bugs. I think that most flaws in this update are easily fixable, and I hope we can get a patch or another update to the game that adjust and polish this update more. I think the content is good, but the lack of polish brings it down

[@jaretco6423]

An Sonic game that has bugs? Gee. It's almost as like most Sonic games have bugs and glitches that they didn't even have time to polished.

[@betlergaen5757]

@@jaretco6423 Im saying that its not polished enough, the previous updates polished a lot of the base game when you compare its level of polish at launch, but this update is like that first level of polish that this game had at day one, so you can see that they could have more time to work on it, and I think that in some cases its even less polished than the base game too. So I hope they can do a patch or another update to adjust and polish this update more

[@betlergaen5757]

@@jaretco6423 but you are right, most sonic games were rushed, even the first one. So sonic unfortunatelly had this history of lack of polish. I hope SEGA eventually stops rushing sonic team, because it does more harm to Sonic as a whole than it benefits from it

[@bluestar5812]

Update 3 is more Sonic Frontiers, made with feedback from hardcore Sonic fans from Twitter (the most controversial kind). If you already like Frontiers, especially the new Koco challenges from Update 2, you'll like Update 3. If you're a casual Sonic fan or never liked Frontiers, this update will make you hate the game (despite being 100% optional, you can still play the original Ouranos). There's no hand holding in this update, unlike the base game. This update is tailor made for people that 100% the base game and completed all the Update 2 challenges and wanted more.

[@stealthyfrog9581]

They still haven't fixed the PC version which broke after the update

[@heonthehedgehog]

i also have some complains about the update but considering its completly free, im happy with all of it

[@yokkykuma]

Look what you did Sega, Jon lost his Good Vibes. You know how to make this right, time to restart the Mean Bean Machine.

[@lollol4106]

I really liked the dlc, it made this game my favorite sonic game. even with the challenge, even with the towers and trials, which i thought were great tests of skill. I was expecting to never see this challenge in a sonic game and getting it made me happy. For story content i think they could tune it down a bit on easy, and I think this update is the ceiling of dificultlly that nothing should be above. I just hope the next game keeps some of the update 3 challenge that engages me and less the frustration kinda stuff.

[@JoshTheWoz]

Good for you! I wish I could enjoy it as much as you 😅

[@lornesonic]

Overall, I think the criticism for this DLC is very valid and quite constructive. The only thing I disagree with is that Sonic Team should not go back to the whiteboard and start again on all of this. I feel as though they should take this criticism that you and many others have given and try to learn and build from it. Because if they do we could have a very good Sonic game on our hands. Sonic Frontiers is so mixed due to plenty of different reasons but the main ones being the level of jank and unpolish in the game which, if fixed, could make another game like this much better. This is the first time in a long time that it feels like they are trying to be ambitious again and give us a truly memorable experience. The writing is the best it's been in a LONG time, not like it's peak fiction or even remotely close to it, but it feels like a nice story that for once actually tries to (loosely) establish a level of continuity throughout the franchise. There is plenty and I mean PLENTY wrong with Sonic Frontiers, but you don't learn from it by wiping the slate clean and starting over (SEGA especially doesn't need to do this), you take what you got, listen to the community's actual criticisms, and try to build something better using a healthy mixture of the two. Sonic Team NEEDS to learn from their mistakes, not swipe them under the rug. And they've shown little by little that they can, we just need to keep pushing, and videos like these help do that. However...their track record of "learning" from their mistakes isn't good though so we'll just have to see lol.

[@chucky110]

This update was meh. Tails, Knuckles and Amy sucked. After finishing the new ending, I have no intention on going back and playing with those 3. The trials sucked, the titan trial sucked, the end boss sucked. This update was crap and added nothing to the game.

[@jumponeverything]

It's very odd, even though it's extremely rough and has a lot of strange decisions (attacking that stupid wire) overall I still really enjoyed it. Preferred the original final boss though

[@CorynSilver]

Dude. I spent an hour not knowing how to attack that wire. Because the game never told me that was a thing I could do.

[@aortaplatinum]

Right?! The tutorial text at the start of The End Supreme's fight should have been like "try to get around it's head to attack the plug and then once it's down take it's rifle", not perfect parry, which does jack shit in the way of actually damaging the boss. Hell, this would have been the perfect time to bring back in-game dialogue, have Tails be like "Sonic, the Titan regenerates its health through The End's umbilical cable! Try getting around it's head to attack the plug and knock it loose!" Then once you drain it's health bar Eggman will be like "Now, Sonic! Cyloop the sniper rifle on it's back and toss it over to me! I told you I was going to blow your socks off, but I need that weapon!"

[@ThisIsCSDX]

For a lot of what I've played, my brain was playing that Simpsons clip where Marge goes, "Kids, could you lighten up a little?" but instead of "kids" it's "Sega and Sonic Team." It was that damn annoyingly difficult.

[@samcandles]

Jon the Cyberspace levels are also made of floating blocks

[@theARDISAN]

DLC reminded me of how much I dislike the "open zone" of this game. Felt like a complete chore to play, I was so bored. The level design still continues to literally be ROBLOX tier and that's disrespectful to talented ROBLOX level designers. Dropped it, thank goodness it was free.

[@samuelfeldman9267]

What did you think of the cyber stages? Despite a lot of the mid content in this update, I found the cyber stages to be super fun, especially with all the spindashing opportunities

[@amirgarcia547]

Yeah, they were easily the best part of the update for me, and unlike the rest of it felt both challenging and fair. Something I wish more of it adhered to.

[@kaching7204]

I enjoyed them as well, except for the collectibles. Sometimes it feels like too much is going on in a level to where that its hard to focus

[@sonicboy678]

@@kaching7204 Those *fucking ANIMALS!!!*

[@MrMathGames]

Sonic Frontiers was literally the second Sonic game I'd ever played, so I was definitely a series outsider. I didn't really have any expectations beyond "Sonic go fast". And I came away thinking it was just OK. I did enjoy it, but it had lots of frustrating flaws and was so very clearly rushed and under-cooked. Ultimately, it gave me no reason to continue playing Sonic games, and I'm really not surprised to hear this DLC is no better than the base game was. Sorry, Sega, but you failed to make a Sonic fan out of me.

[@TaliesinMyrddin]

I'm glad I didn't end up getting the game, then

[@rrsidentfrickhoe]

Yeah this is the last chance i gave the game

[@originalname1008]

Update is great idk why everyone is hating. It is difficult tho.

[@Grag235]

Honestly, I loved the game, but the update made me hate it, the towers were annoying, the second tower was garbage, the King’s trial just didn’t make any sense and just ruined the Super Sonic fights, and the final boss that was the reason I was excited to get the update just made me… feel nothing, I was so exhausted from the previous things that when I got to the final boss, I was finally happy, but then I thought it, and I hated it instantly, it wanted us to perfect parry again, the same thing that made the previous Super Sonic trial so annoying, and it was difficult, cause you just didn’t know what to do when fighting The End, I didn’t know how to hit the tube, when you have to punch The End and then dodge to get to it, and I just hated that, cause the dodge has never been necessary for any enemy or boss cause you had the parry, and it didn’t make any sense when you could just stomp the head, but it never connects to the tube, and not only that, the boss is just as annoying, if not more annoying than the previous Supreme boss fight, cause it shoots projectiles you HAVE to parry, in a fight where you cannot waste time, cause it pushes you back, and makes you lose rings, and the camera was awful, cause the trees were in the way, and things where you aren’t prepared to parry, the Super Sonic fights were supposed to be spectacles that made you feel invincible, the thing that made the Super Sonic fights loved, but this one had the spectacle, but nothing else, it wasn’t fun, the fight didn’t even seem cool while fighting, and it was just awful, atleast Sonic Unleashed was able to make the spectacle fun while also challenging, while ALSO making sense, sure, Eggman land was hard and we weren’t prepared for it, but it was only one level… not an entire game, I honestly wanna play Sonic Unleashed again, cause I still had fun with Eggman Land… I had FUN in EGGMAN LAND

[@jeremiahgreen5632]

​@@originalname1008The difficulty is the main problem. It's way too high of a spike in challenge and that's not good balancing.

[@originalname1008]

@jeremiahgreen5632 I mean I played it and beat it on hard. It's mot too bad, I think people are overreacting. It's difficult but not in a dark souls way.

[@concerneddennizen1027]

Hello, it’s me, Gooigi

[@julianx2rl]

One common issue on Switch is that Sonic goes past dash pads and falls of the grind rail. That's because on one frame Sonic is about to hit the dash pad, and the next he's already past it, it won't interact with the pad unless there's a frame in which Sonic's in contact with it. So the Switch's performance actually gets in the way of the game's functionality!

[@SirDanFilmsUnltd]

I got to the second tower challenge before giving up and going back to Saints Row. I was very saddened to be leaving Frontiers on that note.

[@Rexuhnt]

Was my game glitched or something? I played on hard and I could hold the parry button for as long as I wanted and it would always parry

[@TheLonelyGoomba]

The perfect parry is only for the final boss rush trial in the dlc

[@MinervaFFXIV]

I don't think this video's topic necessitates a full video. It's all a matter of taste. Yes the balance is all over the place, and it's very, very difficult but for people who enjoy the difficulty it's very fun.

[@TNT-Thin]

A bit random, but I'm pretty sure I saw you at the Sonic Symphony in Hollywood! Hope you enjoyed it!

[@battman505]

Nah he went to the London one only

[@TNT-Thin]

@@battman505 Ah, my mistake! Someone was wearing his merch then!

[@c.creature156]

I personally had a good experience with the DLC, but I completely understand people who think otherwise. I can see the dedication and effort that the developers put into this update and like what they were attempting, but how it ended up as is very disappointing. This update either needed more time to be properly playtested and polished or it needed a much higher budget to motivate the team to make it more if quality. I’m still looking forward to whatever they have planned in the near future, but they REALLY need to figure some stuff out so something like this doesn’t happen again.

[@TheSupersmash97]

Same clunky gameplay STILL not fixed lever a year later…so stupid