Our experience is grinding grain fine, cattle will try and sort feed to get grain and that seems to help.
@btowannab92326 жыл бұрын
Ben I think I'm more impressed with the willingness of your neighbor helping you mix a sample load of feed , those kinda of neighbors/friends are almost none existence anymore in my area !!
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Can't disagree! Truly greatful for my surroundings!!!👍👍
@mikep78106 жыл бұрын
Great video Ben. I bet that sorghum smelled really good getting chopped up. Loved seeing those blue silos in the background
@dboutdoors066 жыл бұрын
I am looking at a crop cutter baler, we do tricale and sorghum and it takes a lot of fuel to grind up in our vertical mixer. Great feed! Once you have a vertical mixer you will not give it up. We have a Penta, I am completely satisfied as we do 2 mixes a day and have had it for 7 years!!!! Thanks for video.
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Been looking st those Penta's!! That's impressive!!!!!👍👍
@jrbpa57756 жыл бұрын
Little testing with different rations of all the feed sources you have, such as sorghum, small squares of hay and corn silage and grain. You might be able to come up with a great blend to feed in your cement bunk so your loss is minimal. Great video, thx!!
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Thanks bud!!!👍👍
@texasgrazer98545 жыл бұрын
Iam a little bit behind on this video but we use to do sorghum balage and had trouble with it wrapping around the screws of the mixer and cows would leave a lot of the stems behind, its alot better chopped
@mrbill41876 жыл бұрын
The operators manual on my mixer says no more than fifty percent long stem fodder by volume i beleive. I usually put the round bale in then a dump of corn silage and the dump of silage helps it process faster i think. My mix at the moment for dairy cows is 1500 # alfalfa baleage 550# ground corn 2300# corn silage and 500# protein mix that consists of ddg, soybean meal, and about fifteen other concentrates.
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
That's a pricey mix Bill!!!!👍
@mrbill41876 жыл бұрын
@@veesercattleco.4111 Yup, about 250$ a batch to feed 50 dairy cows. Probably a pretty typical small heard ration though. Its why were not making any money at the moment. Lol
@mrbill41876 жыл бұрын
@@veesercattleco.4111 I see people giving advice on brands of mixers so i suppose i will only because im extremeley happy with the one i bought a couple years ago and im a cheap bastard Lol. I got a 350 cf Leo Ag mixer with twelve knives, magnet, and hay catch chain wich keeps the hay from spilling out the top and a good heavy quiet gearbox for 21k brand new. They make the same mixer with lighter patz specs for around 17k. Probably more now becaise of steel tarrifs. There about the only company i have seen that shows a round bale being processed on video from start to finish i could find. There made in monroe wisconsin by a small family shop and i believe you can still buy direct or they got a couple dealers.
@LiquidAndy6 жыл бұрын
We run supreme mixers. Great product. Never a problem with them they just plain work. I don't doubt that the meyer mixers are great as well. A smaller mixer would definitely help, dumping grains in first and sorghum last would also help wash it all down. Whatever you choose im sure you will make a good decision. Good luck to you ben.
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Will definitely look into them Jered!!!! Yes, agree with grain first!!👍
@AgricultureINDIA-916 жыл бұрын
Nice video. Great work and well done. Thanks for the video. Have a great day 👍 👍 👍
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Thanks SS!! You to!👍
@randybedker1584 Жыл бұрын
You should check out sonne farms channel. They raise black Angus and they do a bull day every year and sell bulls for breeding to other farms. Been doing it for I think twenty two years. They use something new the last few years for scoures seems to work well for them.
@josephwilcox65023 жыл бұрын
Hey ben feed for 2 days.It will make it a bigger load and it will help to shorten length on that sorghum .There beef cows it wont heat to bad.
@bryonhigginson62616 жыл бұрын
My suggestion to take the guess work out of your tmr ration is to find a feed company that has a good reputation, they will test your feedstuffs that you have available and build you a ration, my choice of companies would be Agri~King they have top notch Doctors and nutritionist, and they will work with your local feedmill
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Sent the sample in yesterday!👍👍
@chrisjones97806 жыл бұрын
I would add corn silage to it as well....and maybe try and break up bales some with loader makes it a lot easier on the mixer
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Yes, agree Chris!!👍👍
@tedkahler97386 жыл бұрын
same thoughts as before beef cattle need cracked grain fine grain digests to fast for them..... Test feeds you have available to you THEN make your ration and tweak it to get your feeds used up you have. Testing feeds first will really help get the correct rations for each group of cattle as they will not all be the same. Batch was way to small for that mixer would have had much better luck if it was a larger batch... Demoed one one time and man worked great but had to get the screw thing covered up before it really started to work GREAT. Any thoughts on the stuff i pm'ed you?
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Agree with all Ted! Still looking into it!!👍👍👍👍👍
@aaronwilton65315 жыл бұрын
We have a single screw jaylor it’s works great but we have been using it this winter to mix one bale of old oats and peas with one new bale of alfalfa/Timothy silage. It does a great job last year we had corn silage and we were mixing one bale of oats and peas with 4 buckets of corn silage witch would be like 1300 pound bale and 2000 pounds of corn. Cows loved it but they are beef cows and we had udder problems and too fat of cows
@gwc37212 жыл бұрын
Trefoil is a great forage. Takes moist ground well.
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
This small TMR mix weighed in at 1,900 lbs!?!?!
@buffranchAB6 жыл бұрын
Yes those bales are a good 1500-1550lbs for sure, I am sure you will get a good potion going, be nice mixing in the Meyer F470, big enough for small and somewhat larger rations
@nathanlink59996 жыл бұрын
We run a penta 4120 single screw and sorghum bales grinds up nice but we also put wet distiller gains in after to help hold it do in the knifes
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Will look into that Nathan!!👍👍
@jeffjefferson33646 жыл бұрын
Looks like a nice mix. The sorghum looks much better when the bale is processed like that I think. Hay mixed well through it. Grain maybe add it in in the beginning? I've ran a diet feeder for a lot of years both single screw and double, vertical and horizontal, and also a paddle. Paddle feeders are terrible with bales they won't process whole bales it'll actually destroy most models dropping in a whole bale, but they are fantastic at mixing, much better and faster than vertical tub feeders as a rule.
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Agree with all Adam!!! 👍👍👍
@jeffjefferson33646 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXTWm51shpaGfJY this is a video of a Keenan paddle feeder it has an optional extra fitted to handle whole silage bales. I've zero personal experience with this system. I've used the Keenan before it was a 140 classic, quick to mix and absolutely brilliant produces a fluffy mix no balling. Used primarily hi-spec paddle feeders which are good but can't process whole bales and can ball and lump the feed a bit.
@davemork35386 жыл бұрын
Watching this video reminds me of myself when I was looking at mixers. If I was to do it again I would not buy one. The price of mixers now days is to high to get a return on your money on a smaller beef operation. Plus u need somewhere to feed preferably drive by feeding. You also have to think about where u will be driving to feed. The mixers are heavy when loaded and from what I've seen on videos you dont have a big enough tractor take it off gravel or concrete. We run around 175 Angus cow calf to finish and with buying a good used one I still haven't gotten a return on mine after 5 years. Now after 5 years its showing a lot of wear. Just my from my experience I would just keep doing what you been doing. Your cattle look good.
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Ughhh!! 175 cow/calf, used TMR & haven't gotten a ROI??? I'm not sure I can make sense of that Dave? How do you figure??
@davemork35386 жыл бұрын
@@veesercattleco.4111 our steers and young stock might grow a little better. But didn't see that much difference. As for the mama cows they dont need the feed mixed unless your mixing corn fodder and corn gluten together. Our mama cows dont get any extra grain but whats in our corn silage, it's just not needed. Our Growing and finishing cattle are getting grain. Tmr is more for dairy cattle, you can use them for beef but it's not needed. I'd rather spend money on good genetics and let the genetics grow better cattle. Again this is just what I've seen. Not trying shoot down your ideas or plans of using a tmr.
@davemork35386 жыл бұрын
Check out cowcamp87. He raises a lot of cattle. Look at his July Q and A answers. He talks about feeding steers. He also feeds fodder, gluten, hay, and sorghum to his cows
@user-zu2bw7ig5v5 жыл бұрын
The wagon is a bit big for a small mix like that when you fill it up it mixes better.
@user-zu2bw7ig5v5 жыл бұрын
As I continued to watch the video I realized he said the same thing lol.
@delbertwhite20174 жыл бұрын
I've done sorghum with a round baler and you should have all your knives in it will mix up a whole lot better
@chuckstevenson29296 жыл бұрын
Another great informative video Ken.
@briangriebel28326 жыл бұрын
You just need to fill the mixer a little fuller and it will do a lot better job chopping and mixing. But looks great Ben. These videos are very interesting!!
@happyacres76994 жыл бұрын
I think that maybe you should have either mixed a double batch or once you got the mix broken up then switch to high gear to finish up.
@dustinadams91366 жыл бұрын
Great video Ben, really like what I'm seeing with this new feed!
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dustin!! It's pretty exciting huh!!!👍👍
@Ethanj3876 жыл бұрын
I would say a round bale of dry hay would be much better than 2 small squares. However I know for a fact that a sorghum round and a dry hay round would not fit in the tmr ur aiming for. Maybe half a dry round bale? Adding in the same amount of silage u feed daily would help too I think. Idk just spitballing here ben. Looking foreward to the vid of u feeding this out and nutritionist results!!!
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ethan!!! TMR feeding will be strictly reserved for the feeders I keep back during the winter for spring sales. Taking the route of adding in small squares as we make lots of them!👍
@bristolzick14216 жыл бұрын
Ben your baler is a crop cutter isn't it? If doing tmr I'd definitely use all 15 knives. I bale for a nieghbor who uses a tmr and using all knives, just on grass haylage cuts his mixing time in half if not more. We cut all of our sorghum with the knives, the bales will fall apart when you dump it in.
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Yes I do Bristol. This Sorguhm scared the hell out of me & didn't set them??? Next year I will!👍
@gwolframe6 жыл бұрын
you have a point watched a video on the qaulity for sorgum it has very high feed qaulity cant remember what it was but very interesting it said the dryer it is the better
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Yes, the 2nd crop will be much better!!👍
@alextugahirwa19205 жыл бұрын
Great work.
@TheFarmingLife6 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I was wondering about the minerals. How do you get those to the cattle. That mix would have been awesome with about eight hundred pounds of corn silage. I always get excited about mixing feed with a TMR to come up with the Perfect Blend. Have a great evening
@TheFarmingLife6 жыл бұрын
I guess you know that we do run a beef cattle operation we do have a Jay Lor TMR mixer. That mix would have been perfect with one bale of your dry hay 250 lb of your grain Mix with minerals. 800 lb of corn silage. I don't have all the answers but I've been mixing feed for a while and I like the results with a TMR mix. When dealing with high moisture feed adding dry matter is not a big deal cattle like a uniform mix and do very good on it. Thanks for the video
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Thanks Eric!! As we speak, minerals are a free choice in all the yards. Yes, haven't been this excited in a long time!! Yes, I do believe corn Silage would be a great addition!👍👍
@pablocampoz23623 жыл бұрын
Nice video buen video saludos desde mexico.. Blessings.
@williamsigle89126 жыл бұрын
Hey Ben great video Good Neighbor looks like has a large farm how many cows do they milk? For this time of year your neighbor's bunks look awful empty for this time of year
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Yes, great neighbors!!! Believe they are over 300 milked. They also have a beef operation & keep back ALL of thier calves!! Yes, Harvest wasn't the greatest this year, but silos are all full too!!👍👍
@buffranchAB6 жыл бұрын
Again another great informative movie! Ben couple questions, if I'm not prying, which county are you situated in? or closest town or village? about how far from Green Bay? I take it you're a packers fan and not a Lions fan. I as well a Packers fan from the Favre days, became fan in '92, same colour as our edmonton eskimos, we had terrible second half and fell out of the playoffs
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Hey Buff!! I'm in Menominee County & just west of a town called Escanaba. Yes, a true Packers fan but not s lot of room to brag these days!!??!?👍
@TheGhostOfLuciasClay5 жыл бұрын
One thing with sorghum it's never as dry as you think it is. I've chopped and bagged it a couple times and found that to make silage you almost have to do the same as making dry hay....let lay a day or two and rake over and probably lay another day or so. I'm sure you concluded the same, that mixer was to big for that size mix and whichever brand you go with you'll have good results with one mixing near capacity.
@rogerwilson93616 жыл бұрын
Ben that looks like a good ration but like you said the TMR was little to big for the test but it worked well enough to get a sample.
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Roger that Roger!!!👍👍
@rogerwilson93616 жыл бұрын
@@veesercattleco.4111 That's me lol
@robindegner84876 жыл бұрын
Not going to promote a certain brand but for your size I would suggest a single screw. Not a fair test because that mixer is so big. Lots of good brands, patz Penta supreme Jay lor they all work.
@DPCCGM6 жыл бұрын
In my experience, single screws and round bales are not a good fit. Smaller twins work better all around but obviously upfront cost is an issue. In the long run I think twin screws are more economical.
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking the same fellas! Smaller "400" twin screw? Hoping to demo one in the early fall next year!👍
@geoffhirsh24026 жыл бұрын
Total absorption will be greater with ground grains. Less whole grains in the manure.😎
@bryanplummer93936 жыл бұрын
Hey Ben, just a bit of info, I've mixed over 15000 batches of TMR in my life, i have used a lot of different mixers, a smaller one will work so much better for you, the fuller the mixer the better it will mix, so do ur homework on how much feed you want to mix in a batch before you buy one of ur own!! As far as the way ur corn is ground, the finer it is ground the better ur cows will absorb the nutients!! Any questions feel free to ask!! Take care!!
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bryan!!! Agree with all!!👍
@waveoflight3 жыл бұрын
I know nothing about silage, if the sorhum was not as stringie or shorter strings would that be better?
@johngourley7415 жыл бұрын
Couple more bales of hay and you will have a one ton mix. Worked out well for you.
@ryckmanangusranch43496 жыл бұрын
Wow that's a lot from 1 bale etc. Cant wait to see what the results are.-Tom
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Me too Tom!!!! Yeah, that was 1,900 lbs!?!?!?👍👍
@blaneheinrich57436 жыл бұрын
Great video Ben
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Thanks Blane!👍
@PennsylvaniaFarming6 жыл бұрын
I was told course ground grain because it floats in the rumen
@haggardfarms95776 жыл бұрын
The tmr looks good we have the same size mixer u my went to look at a single screw mixer
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't a nice small double do better??👍
@haggardfarms95776 жыл бұрын
Yeah it would
@johnwarren-6496 жыл бұрын
In my experience the course grains do better in the tmr mixers
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
I'm really torn on that subject right now John!! I see all of those fine grain particles mixed in with the entire product!! I guess it's all about digestion?👍👍
@FarmingFixingFabricating6 жыл бұрын
The Harvestores
@Rmc4566 жыл бұрын
Was thinking that mixer was too big for one bale
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Very correct Rich!👍
@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms37546 жыл бұрын
If you're going to keep making this baylage are you eventually going to move to a round baler with a pre cutter?
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
I actually have one Jon. I was to scared to set the knives to be honest with ya?? Next year they are going to be set at 50% minimum.👍
@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms37546 жыл бұрын
Ha! Massey had one they were demoing. They would leave half the knives down run the first half the day on eight knives and then while the bails rapping they just hit a thing on the control box and drop them knives and raise the other knives. Then you could finish out the day with fresh knives. Don't know if everybody is like that but there's a pretty slick system
@RandWFarmstead-TonyWalsh4 жыл бұрын
What is tree foil?
@johnhatt12196 жыл бұрын
How are getting the tmr back to the farm in what are you going transport it in
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Hey John! I came back with a feeder wagon & loaded it up.👍👍
@johnhatt12196 жыл бұрын
@@veesercattleco.4111 U could have filmed it lol thnks
@travisperry79855 жыл бұрын
Dryer sorghum and a bale shreadder
@chaseallen97075 жыл бұрын
Where are you guys based out off what state
@ericsvenson49716 жыл бұрын
Ben look at a single screw Patzs
@veesercattleco.41116 жыл бұрын
Big believer in Patz!!!! Single screw....why?👍
@ericsvenson49716 жыл бұрын
@@veesercattleco.4111 We milk cows had a 420 cubic foot mixer 1200 model. We make round bales and squares of baleage. That mixer mixed everyday for 7 year 2 to 5 batchs a day never had a problem. Held its trade value and was a great machine. We liked the front unload like the one u used to mix ur practice batch. One of ur 6400 s would be able to maybe run the patz mixer they do take some power. Have a good day.