The 'Starfield' Situation Is Just Getting Sad...

[@LukeStephensTV]

Check out my second channel for LOADS more content and stream highlights: kzbin.info/door/5Pi8DHUItNgbGVhjh4kVgQ

[@GothamiteYT]

Recorded/Edited content is better

[@5226-p1e]

so bethesda are really taking the procedural generation seriously, especially with outsourcing responses using Chat GPT lol.

[@Ryanlexz]

Starfield is 🗑🗑️

[@ItsDigidyDan]

I can't believe a self proclaimed proud skeptic is still this upset by the fact a Bethesda game doesn't have seemless space travel 3 months after release... That's wild

[@SteadyAscension]

At least your getting good content by ripping into Bethesda during a slow news week😂

[@penguinsage2959]

The biggest disappointment of Bethesda games is seeing the potential of what their games can be but noticing Bethesda is stuck in their ways and brushing off legit criticism

[@thatoneguyfaded]

Starfield releases and all of a sudden every Bethesda game in history has been a failed experiment. Gamers are weird af.

[@BatteryAz1z]

"Stuck in their ways" is a polite way of saying incompetent.

[@lonewitness]

@@thatoneguyfaded Corporate sympathizer detected

[@octavianpopescu4776]

I liked Starfield, but I definitely agree... I saw some good general ideas, there was potential, I did see it, but the execution fell short. Overall, I got a weird feeling that alhough I still liked it, it's the end of an era and if they still stick to the same old and don't take more chances in the future... I'm not sure I'll like (and buy) their next game. Starfield was good enough, but just barely cleared the bar. At no point did it wow me, a feeling I got with Skyrim for example. Skyrim felt like a revelation when I first played it.

[@thatoneguyfaded]

@@lonewitness oh totally, it's an honor to be the smartest person in the room lol in no world does your detector offend me my guy.

[@andreaporcu8419]

Another thing that baffles me is that planets are supposed to be deserted but every single one of them has abandoned buildings generated at a fixed rate.

[@HesitationIsDefeat22]

Yea you turn up to a planet with an ancient artefact on it and from the top of the ancient temple you can see A FUCKING SCIENCE LAB?! Did these scientists not think to check out the floating rocks less than 1k away??? Makes me wonder why they went down the ‘explorer’ route cause we ain’t discovering shit. EVERYWHERE has been visited. It wouldn’t be too bad if said science lab was unique but they’re just the same copy and pasted ’dungeon’. God I hope ES6 is what we need it to be!

[@5erase]

This and the lack of POI variety is what eventually killed the game for me, also the fact the mod tools are STILL not out, so the nexus page for Starfield is baren and lame. BGS killed this game by not having mod tools at launch.

[@Catterjeeo]

Bethesda has actually made changes to how content is loaded making modding much harder. It's hard to say what is going to happen in the future but it looks like Bethesda does not give two shits about community content beyond the money they can make out of it.@@5erase

[@saitzo2325]

and you are the first one to "scout" any planet like the resort, I mean wtf, no one tried to scout :D

[@malcolmcochran3570]

Yep. Actually barren planets would have been immersive at least. Instead we got content-barren planets that don't even look barren.

[@jaydeeao]

I don't feel bad for Bethesda at all. Bethesda made decisions either with the game or when communicating with the community, and they have earned the consequences of their actions.

[@gaalanonim4503]

And they had examples of doing shit wrong already, that's the worst part. Major examples, like CP77 at launch and NMS at launch. Their own F76 too. Nothing learned, nothing at all :C I know this game will be much better at some point, but this aura will just follow Bethesda for the next decade with 2 failed debuts back to back.

[@rayosborne8617]

​@@gaalanonim4503wouldn't say fallout 76 is a failure

[@jfelton3583]

​@@rayosborne8617at launch it absolutely was.... They had to come back and put more money into it fixing. Just like all the other games he listed. Bethesda will have to dump money fixing it like they did No Man's Sky

[@novacaine12290]

Agreed, they need to answer the phone. The consequences of their own actions is calling.

[@mrbigglezworth42]

@@jfelton3583 That was Hello Games, but the point I suppose is still the same. I would like to remind you of past Bethesda titles where they release a patch once in a blue moon....then the players come in with an unofficial patch to actually fix the game.

[@llamatronian101]

The Apollo program astronauts suffered a lot from boredom. It was a serious psychological issue. For a lot of that trip there was simply nothing to do. Being able to cope with that is something astronauts were selected for.

[@aexetan2769]

It might be a bit of an oversimplification to categorize it solely as boredom. When you experience something as "boring" you are in a state of being weary and restless due to lack of interest or stimulation. The term "isolation" or "confinement" may be more accurate to describe the psychological challenges faced by astronauts. Being able to cope with prolonged confinement in isolation is indeed something astronauts were selected for.

[@sebpaul3548]

@@aexetan2769They could still speak to eachother so it wasn't like they were completely isolated. The confinement was a big problem though. I think it's a combination of various factors. If we want to conquer space we better get used to small confined spaces fast.

[@rileymcphee9429]

Not to mention it was their JOB and not a GAME. Jesus fuck, the hubris to equate Starfield to the fucking moon landing. That's the death knell for me with this corporatized company.

[@SmilingSimian]

They were so bored that after the third set landed, they demanded, and got, a lunar rover to drive around...unlike Starfield players. 😂

[@Anishinaabe17]

I was grounded for about 10 years straight. I got used to boredom. I should go into space.

[@Taco-in-a-Tahoe]

I'm sick of studios blaming consumers for their product being bad. You don't just see it with gaming studios it is everywhere in the entertainment industry.

[@nickbriggs8059]

It’s this sick sense of entitlement that people have. Constructive criticism isn’t a thing anymore. It’s either your 💯 on board or your stupid and have issues.

[@Alex-nk8bw]

Bethesda acting like Hollywood. I'm surprised they haven't started calling their customers racists yet. CDPR at least had the decency to apologize over and over again, and patch the crap out of Cyberpunk, to fix it as quickly and best as possible.

[@Alex-nk8bw]

Or Larian, who delivered a fantastic game on release day, but still keep pushing out patch after patch, already adding in DLC worthy extra content for free.

[@MrDoubleblades]

Yep, like disney Star Wars and amazon rings of power. Both failures blame their fans for being stupid, racist, sexist, or any other ist you can think of.

[@77dris]

The woke Movie industry has excelled at blaming consumers for their bad products these past few years. They've nearly perfected it.

[@cheezus4772]

Todd menacingly lurking in the shadow behind you was a great flair touch for this video

[@NicoTheCinderace]

It just works.

[@novacaine12290]

@@NicoTheCinderace *Todd with a gun to Luke's head* IT JUST WORKS, RIGHT!?

[@shahrbanooShadpoori]

I honestly thought afew times that his head is moving. It scared the crapp out of me

[@MTG69]

Ohhhhh, Todd.

[@douglasdickinson1877]

The fact that there are indie games that let you explore planets in space without loading screens and Bethesda couldn’t accomplish this with a 8 year development cycle is hilarious to me lmao

[@facts3221]

Haha hilarious and underrated comment

[@redninja3056]

Um yeah those games are also alot smaller that's not very comparable

[@mitchellp7739]

@@redninja3056even if Bethesda made starfield small with only 2 planets they still couldn’t do no loading space to planet traversal. Their engine is ancient and is ass and literally everything

[@karmaascendant3936]

@@redninja3056no man’s sky?

[@Viniciusanches]

Yeah and to put it into perspective: Red Dead 2 had a 8 year development cycle and that game was made for 2013 hardware lol

[@RFC3514]

The funniest part is that a couple of astronauts that went to the Moon *actually said it **_was_** boring.* Frank Borman (appropriate name, probably qualifies him as an expert) specifically said "it was only interesting for about 30 seconds". I wonder if Bethesda would be happier with _that_ review.

[@Holdo23]

If thats true then they sent the wrong man or they didnt go at all. What an unbelieveably arrogant quote.

[@davidilling6850]

how can it be boring if the chances are pretty high that you die in space 500.000 km away from earth? xD

[@ArariaKAgelessTraveller]

@@davidilling6850 every space mission before first successful space mission is SUICIDE MISSION they would die in every wrong decision they could take and you sit in front of your monitor and keyboard saying "how can it be boring?"

[@RFC3514]

@@Holdo23 - They'd been though it hundreds of times in the simulators. Also, Borman didn't even get to land, so he just stared at grey rock for a couple of hours while mission control nagged him. Unlike sailors in the age of discovery, astronauts knew pretty much exactly what they were going to find. No monsters, no exotic girls, no cities of gold. Just grey rock and grey dust. I'm sure the first ones were excited because they knew they were the first ones, but soon they had to start bringing their own entertainment. And the fact that they regarded _golf_ as entertainment tells you just how boring it must have been.

[@ParanoiaKeepsMeWake]

​dude the moon is barren af. It's just rocks and blackness. You've simulated this exact situation millions of times and now you're there and it feels like a simulation. The human brain is a complex instrument that requires stimulation. It'd be virtually impossible *not* to be bored on the moon anything past an hour.

[@CoolSmoovie]

Boggles my mind that Todd Howard thought the game’s entire draw would be, “You are in space. How crazy is that?” and that’s it. Boggles my mind that no one told him that there have been games set in space before

[@FoxQuiet1985]

Freespace 2 is still my favorite space combat game

[@CoolSmoovie]

@@FoxQuiet1985 Star Sector is mine.

[@seeinred]

@@CoolSmoovie Ayyy, my fav space game. Obligatory shilling, get adjusted sector mod.

[@TheMarcHicks]

Elite Dangerous, for all its flaws, was already giving that feeling-much more immersively-almost a decade ago.

[@ezioarka]

Mass effect is the highlight.

[@mikeeehunt9865]

I 100% would have rather had 4-5 real planets than 1000 copy pasted pois. The sad thing for me is that I think the real reason they went the 1000 planet direction wasn’t purely marketing , the engine just isn’t capable of making even a single fully realized/explorable solar system.

[@mattolsen353]

Agreed. I don't mind having all the planets, but pretty much every landing is the same. I land my ship and wherever I land I can see two or three man-made structures nearby. Within about 10 seconds of leaving the ship there will almost always be another ship that enters the area and lands nearby. I'd much rather that they just added interesting POI's on a small portion of the planets so I would have a reason to scan each one.

[@mikeeehunt9865]

@@mattolsen353 exactly it’s the formulaic feeling that really breaks immersion and for me the fun.

[@tomekkobialka]

How exactly do you make a "real" planet in a video game? And how would 4-5 planets be different from 1000 planets, other than the fact that you simply have less planets to travel to? Not saying that there isn't a problem with exploration in Starfield, but I don't see how fewer planets would necessarily help.

[@mattolsen353]

@@tomekkobialka I believe the though is rather than giving us 1000 planets that are mostly empty except for randomly generated POI's is instead a couple of planets that are more fledged out. Imagine landing your ship anywhere (almost) you want in an area as big and decorated as say Skyrim.

[@tomekkobialka]

@@mattolsen353 How exactly can you populate a planet in such a way that landing a ship anywhere on it will give you an area as decorated as Skyrim? Skyrim took years to complete (don't know the timescale exactly), yet it's only 15x15km big. A planet is much larger than that, of course. I don't see a way that you can recreate TES or Fallout-style exploration on planets. You'd have to do something like Outer Wilds, where planets are absolutely tiny, but that wouldn't work within the "NASA-punk" framework of Starfield as it isn't realistic. Again, copy-pasted POIs is a valid criticism of Starfield, but my point is that I have yet to come across a solution to the problem that's better than the one Bethesda did. Perhaps A.I. could do something but I don't think the technology is quite there yet. (You do say that you'd rather only explore a small portion of the planet, which is fair enough, though I feel like the ability to land anywhere on a planet is a core element of Starfield. Besides, people are mad enough that you can't directly land on planets like in NMS. Imagine the criticism if the game came out and you could only land at certain locations!) My general feeling is that the Starfield concept was "doomed" from the start, and that Bethesda made a pretty good attempt at making the most of this concept. But I am more than happy to be proven wrong.

[@johnwayne6561]

Todd is Bethesda's biggest problem because he thinks he knows what makes us happy in games. He is like parents who think that playing the piano will make us happier than playing football with our friends

[@MacMashPotato]

My parents where like that, "insert hobby we say he likes but actually does not like here"

[@ICCUWANSIUT]

I THOUGHT YOU LIKED CHEESEBURGERS Everytime they get so pissy when you say otherwise like it's your fault they had a false take of your likes.

[@JohnSmith-zc5ox]

And then Nexus mods comes in and denies you making modes that fix Bethesda racism and forced LGBTQ propaganda problem s F them both

[@69BroChill]

I mean your parents knew you for longer than you did my bets on them lol

[@jar-jarnotbinks7685]

Except the piano is a plastic piece of overpriced chinese crap with an horrible teacher, while your friends has a ball with a star signature on it and you have plans to go to the pool afterward.

[@vexmyth0clast]

Bethesda is on full cope mode. They know their games is lacking in so many ways and they just can’t accept that players see through the facade that is Starfield.

[@marshallbeck9101]

And they know that the biggest problems are fundamental, meaning they know they can’t do anything about it

[@mchapman2424]

They have no choice. The flaws of starfield cant be fixed with patches, updated, or dlc. They cant fix it if they wanted to

[@piccoloatburgerking]

@@mchapman2424 They can fix it they're just not willing to. I can tell you as a modder of past Bethesda games and looking through Starfield's internal data structure that many of these problems could be fixed but for that Bethesda has to give af first, and they clearly don't.

[@Joel-wx7zk]

@@mchapman2424Get rid of the ai planets, get a few handcrafted planets, expand cities, many things could be redone and added via a large free dlc to expand on things. Just look at how different No Man Sky is compared to its original release

[@JustPeachy738]

@@Joel-wx7zk Different and includes FREE updates (or at least I think) I also find No Mans Sky opening a lot stronger than Star-field

[@Kazrel]

"You actually need an IQ of 500 to find the enjoyment in watching paint dry."

[@kiriuxeosa8716]

*Galaxy brain super intelligence* "Meh still more entertaining than starfield"

[@WillLightfoot]

Works for Bob Ross.

[@naughtycultmemes784]

I lick the paint

[@garbearfar1394]

"Look at you, Mr. Too good to run on barren planet for 10 minutes, 1000 times."

[@mbg4681]

This is a funny comment and all, but I hope nobody currently designing a space game takes you too seriously. The problem with Starfield's empty planets is NOT that they were too empty. As a matter of fact, they _weren't empty enough._ Look at Mass Effect's planet exploration, for instance: similar "emptiness" as in Starfield, but not nearly as boring a gameplay experience.

[@fumbleweeddumblecock2360]

Poor Todd didn't find out in 10+ years of leading BGS that the sole reason his games have garnered so much appreciation and fame is the atmosphere their open worlds exude. He literally had a golden goose in whoever works in the art department and chose to throw it away almost completely, just because HE wanted to make a "realistic" game about SPACE.

[@domomonstero3077]

Realistic theme yet fantasy based mechanics. Worst combo. A great scifi galaxy with many intelligent races with factions and unique cultures with their own type of weapons, ships and equipment. But that would take actual effort and imagination.

[@AdornByFire]

Yet you can walk around on planets without your suit on😂😂

[@derunfassbarebielecki]

He somewhat understood part of the appreciation, but failed to understand it. A key factor in Bethesda game is the sandbox, but he failed to understand that the sandbox was always filled with stories and life. He thought making an empty world has the same sandbox character as TES or Fallout and this is his big mistake. If they made just "20" explorable planets instead of a thousand and filled them with lore, the game would have received much less criticism.

[@gavinw77]

He hasn't thrown anything away. Starfield is not Bethesda's be all and end all. The game is fine, it's not great, but there are many good things about it. Yes, some criticisms are absolutely justified. But the commentary I'm seeing here is a complete over-reaction. It's an OK game, it really doesn't need to be over-analyzed.

[@AdornByFire]

@@gavinw77 good things do tell

[@brandoncooper2909]

Bethesda's day of reckoning has long been overdue, and I'm beyond glad that I lived long enough to see it. Ever since Skyrim they've essentially just been making AA games with a AAA budget and then relying on the modding community to fix stuff that they're too lazy to fix. And yes, it is laziness because if modders are able to add a lot of these things the day of launch, it means that Bethesda, with millions of dollars and hundreds of people on the team could have fixed it, but they didn't. Starfield feels like the spent the first five years of development trying to figure out what the game was, and then during development either didn't have things locked down, or had to massively scale things back due to how janky and ancient Creation Engine is at this point. It's honestly laughable that Todd gave this version a number like something seriously changed in it aside from better lighting and more detailed objects - stuff which they're only getting praise for because people are used to their games looking like they're a generation behind everything else at least. Can't at all feel sorry for these guys, especially after having the gall to tell hundreds of people that their feelings about a game they spent $70-100 dollars on are completely invalid and that they're just too stupid to see how brilliantly Bethesda has designed the game...after dropping dozens or hundreds of hours into it. Starfield sucks, Bethesda sucks, and Todd Howard sucks. If he had any common sense or decency he'd retire now before he spends the next decade fucking up Elder Scrolls 6. His five minutes are up, his ideas and design decisions are horribly dated and completely out of touch with the current abilities of the current-gen tech, and he refuses to change anything because it would be too difficult for him to adjust. The unfortunate fact of the matter is that until Todd retires or is fired, Bethesda will never do any better because he'll never let them. I mean, Fallout 76 was a fucking nightmare and a half at launch and yet he still has a job.

[@StoneAgeWarfare]

Todd wasn't in charge of 76. The irony is he neglected it, but still gets blamed for it.

[@Seoul_Soldier]

@@StoneAgeWarfare "16 times the detail". People tend not to forget the face of the person hyping it up. Whether he was in charge of it or not is irrelevant. He endorsed it when it should have been cancelled.

[@mitchellp7739]

⁠@@StoneAgeWarfareTodd is in charge of every game that Bethesda makes

[@antoineberkani9747]

There is no day of reckoning, Bethesda made tons of profit from Starfield thanks to its massive marketing. That's what AAA is now. Selling people lies and raking in the profits, because people ALWAYS fall for the next hype cycle. Every single time.

[@davidstinger1134]

I personally find hilarious that they went with the "You are just too low IQ to understand Rick and Morty" route in a serious manner.

[@BryanOrion-m5i]

This needs to be said: Never feel bad for hating a product, and talking negatively about it. The customer is always right is the foundation of business. Today it has become acceptable for companies to release broken, unfinished garbage and sell it full price....and then speak down to people, call them names if they don't like it in an attempt to gaslight the customer into thinking the problem is them. It is disgusting, it is ass-backwards, and it needs to stop. This company has decades of experience, had 8 years to work on this, and are financially backed by one of the largest companies in the world - they are zero excuses. Stop defending these companies and supporting this garbage or it will continue and get worse. The game is completely unacceptable as a full-priced, AAA 2023 RPG, just like the last game they released.

[@Namorat]

I agree with everything but "the customer is always right". Customers may demand stupid things, illogical things, things that are simply contrarian to the product or service. I think "always listen to what you customer say" is more ambivalent yet better. Listen, then decide what to use of the feedback. But listen honestly and openly first.

[@iprfenix]

@@Namorat "The customer is always right" is actually not the full quote. For some reason people decided to shorten it, which was a bad idea because it actually destroys the original intent of the quote. The original is "The customer is always right in matters of taste". Because a customer can be wrong in matters of fact, but they can't be wrong in matters of opinion.

[@NotKelloggsCornflakes]

I'm not surprised people in a business feel defensive over their products. What does still shock me is the number of (supposed real people) on the internet who will talk down to and gaslight fellow customers who don't enjoy the product they enjoy. How does a supposed real human who is not a bot, become a zombie thrall serving a corporation on the internet for free? And why?

[@isthisoneunavailable]

The customer is always right _in terms of taste_. Everyone always forgets that last part. In the world of video games, it's pure taste, so yes, the customer is always right. Ask a mechanic, plumber, electrician, hvac guy....anyone in the trades. Customers are idiots and don't know what's best for them.

[@noobbotgaming2173]

I agree. The majority of customers are shit. For example the amount of shitters I hear demand a dry beverage such as a dry cappuccino is ridiculous. A cappuccino IS NOT MEANT TO BE DRY!!! Especially from modern coffee shops. Caps are meant to have depth. It's not a drink that's only foam. But of course shitty customers think they know how to make drinks. I don't defend Bethesda. But to say the customer is always right is incorrect. I think it's more accurate to say the customer should be served. @@isthisoneunavailable

[@SaintJohnYT]

You know why the Astronaut's that went to the Moon weren't bored when they got there? Cause they actually had stuff do to on the moon.

[@getoffthegames89]

They had a vehicle too.

[@sav105]

Lol, that’s because they went to the real moon as opposed to a moon that’s generated in a game!

[@iprfenix]

No loading screen. They took a real rocket there and back. They had limited supply of food, fuel, and oxygen. The trip was a battle for survival. They had a mission. They had to take samples of moon rocks, conduct experiments, plant a flag, and take pictures. Moon has no atmosphere so they had an unobstructed view of space and Earth from a distance/perspective no one had seen before. They were the first in history to experience what they did.

[@matthewhearne7200]

And they were actually flying/navigating to the moon - not fast travelling.

[@matthewhearne7200]

@@iprfenix 💯

[@kdog3908]

'But the moon was empty too!" Only Todd's people could unironically compare the sense of achievement felt from one of mankind's most technically difficult, risky, resource intensive and time consuming endeavours to.......a couple of loading screens. J Tap Dancing C.

[@None-lx8kj]

The first thing Buzz Aldrin did upon landing on the moon was empty his bladder into his catheter bag. Todd sought to emulate that experience with Starfield. Frankly, he achieved that and then some.

[@PeteBaldwin]

You mention the AI responses to reviews but I think that just encapsulates what Starfield is... It feels like a game that was made entirely by AI and then the developers just connected the dots and fixed bugs. Those responses to the reviews certainly sounded more human than most of the dialogue in the game!

[@Badgerinary]

Bro what people are talking to so I can hear what is apparently actually human lol

[@Shenaldrac]

@@Badgerinary Nice try AI-generated comment, but I see through your ruse.

[@alecstewart2612]

When you learn that Bethesda has stopped having a main game design document for everyone to follow when creating a game, Starfield makes sense. Not only does the game feel bland and fairly corporate, it feels like a sheer mess. And it's a sheer mess that Bethesda will defend with basically the response of "well you have to have a high IQ to understand Starfield."

[@ashemedai]

Wait, what? Was that mentioned somewhere in a development blog or similar?

[@alecstewart2612]

​@@ashemedai Emil Pagliarulo, lead game designer at Bethesda, mentioned it in an interview or something. If you watch PatricianTV's videos he cites the source.

[@daizenmarcurio]

@@alecstewart2612 emil pagliarulo needs to go I swear

[@Mirthful_Midori]

In case anyone is wondering where this comes from, it's called "Talks From Story". It's a presentation by Emil Pagliarulo where he explains why Bethesda sucks at making games and he does it by accident. For reference, they actually stopped using design documents during the development of Fallout 3.

[@snowbunnie1113]

True. Fallout and Elder scrolls had a team of creatives writing lore for players to become invested in. Starfield just felt like Fallout 4: In Space!

[@MjollTheLioness-o4y]

Larian actually released BG3 early for fear it would be overshadowed by SF. The only reason Larian moved their release date up was because BGS moved SF's up. All that and Larian definitely didn't have anything to worry about. Going from playing BG3 to SF was painful, and the problems with SF were more obvious after playing such an in-depth game like BG3.

[@seeinred]

It's like eating the most exquisite food that is out there, made by best chefs in the world, and then getting into worst fastfood you know at 4 a.m. to eat some barely cooked shitburger.

[@voiceofreason4551]

I'm getting the BG3 physical release next year, along with a PS5. Starfield? Might buy it when it's 90% off on Steam, when good mods have been made.

[@JWalters388]

Basically the reason BG3 have problems that needs to be patched is because of Bethesda. So screw you, Todd.

[@jonathanwessner3456]

@@voiceofreason4551 you might be waiting then, the modders are walking away because they don't have the tools, and Bethesda has flat out sai they might let the modders "fix" the game, and charge you for the modders work

[@jonathanwessner3456]

Heck, every NPC in Baldur's gate has an actual name. Only things that don't are generic monsters

[@FrazzleCat]

You nailed the ChatGPT use. Absolutely nailed it. I said this on another video, but people need to remember that Microsoft spent $10 **BILLION** dollars on ChatGPT. They also bought Bethesda. Of course they're absolutely going to use one to defend the other, and Luke, you absolutely demonstrated it here, IMO. 👍

[@packrunnernes]

Lukiepoo is so good that he doesn't need chatGPT, he copies other people's work instead!!

[@yaldabaoth2]

No, I don't think that he nailed it. Chatgpt simply got trained on the very responses Bethesda actually typed out and then copypasted to hundreds if not thousands of reviews. Chatgpt thus learned that this is a good response to a review of Starfield. AI doesn't create, AI copies. Get that into your head.

[@Lemmiwings]

No AI is that passive agressive by itself. And I don't think they typed "...please lowkey shittalk the customer in your generated response."

[@r.k.5031]

That first response from a "dev" reeks of ai. The quotation marks around the astrounaut quote are completely out of place. Who is it supposed to be quoting?

[@Melina_Evarblume_Seelie]

​@@yaldabaoth2 However, that would have existed just the same at the time, as if you were to change the game in the prompt you would get a very similiar response.

[@GrimHaag]

Absolutely crazy that a company would give this kind of response to customers, I hope they don't get away with it lightly.

[@Robb1977]

They always do.

[@LaCokaNostra_]

Only because people keep giving them money. If players stop buying their steaming turds of horrendously awful games then they would learn from it

[@concept5631]

Oh they will.

[@nahfammmm354]

Reviewer: "I'm bored" Bethesda: "No you're not."

[@bbd121]

Reviewer: "There are too many loading screens." Bethesda: "No, there are not."

[@piersyfy4148]

I was thinking these were AI-generated from jump, and the reason is simple: they all start with the same generic introduction that pastes in what the AI perceives as the key topic of the review, into the same opening every single time, but what it picks up on as the key topic is very narrow and fails to capture the overall review. People don't usually do that, but systematically making that mistake over and over? AI definitely does that.

[@PoorAnnunciation]

Absolutely agree less is more. Most games feel like they are trying to be bigger but often at the cost of not being better.

[@sniperfi4532]

Trying to make their pond look like an ocean with the same amount of water.

[@saltycomet]

Starfield was being defended by those who are Xbox/Microsoft fans that felt criticism towards the game, was an attack on them.

[@kfitz2711]

I’m an Xbox/Microsoft fan and I think Starfield is ass. Played about 3 hours of it and tapped out.

[@shahan1465]

@@kfitz2711i played 40 mins at got out

[@Wobbothe3rd]

It WAS, lol. Microsoft foolishly bet big on Starfield after not releasing almost any games on the entire platform for a FULL YEAR.

[@saltycomet]

@@kfitz2711 i was just saying in general. Watched videos of Xbox fans that didn't like if and they were criticized in comments as "Sony ponys" or "PS Fanboys" when that clearly wasn't fhe case

[@Igor19485]

The game is just bad and yeah lot of Xbox fans refuse to accept it because it was supposed to be their big game to compete with Playstation first party games.

[@chend2713]

maybe the rebrand was too soon.

[@anarchopupgirl]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 we're all here from the same vid

[@Versace_sheets]

Yeah honestly I like lukeypoo

[@THE16THPHANTOM]

when Todd kept saying a thousand planets, i knew it was over for that game. this especially saying after what we had with no mans sky at launch and we already know procedurally generated mean same thing over and over with tiny variation. only he some found a way to disappoint even further by not even committing and just making tiny parts of the planet explorable before you hit invisible wall.

[@dinosore4782]

Todd would say there’s thousands of things to do about a game with thousands of chairs to sit in. He is so embarrassing

[@Maybe_Yue]

Not being able to fly the spaceship around the planet is the worst for me. I wanted to find a nice place to build my outpost, so I would have to fast travel from one point to the next on the same planet and wait for it to load so I could have a look around... I got so fed up of that I haven't gone back to play it since September :( I really wanted to like the game too.

[@janark4078]

Good point that their responses to reviews are written by AI. They did the similar thing when they created the game. 😕

[@crazebear]

AI might have been more creative in the setting tbh…

[@dropanukeonusaagain6606]

"reviews are written by AI." or been paid

[@martinkis2000]

This is truly hilarious. Rather than accepting the criticism and maybe learning they are actively trying to defend what they did wrong. How do they plan to grow like this?

[@krack-a-lacker]

"How do they plan to grow like this?" their engine is literally 2 decades old. they have no intention to "grow" at all or progress their goal to be a better developer/company. as Todd Howard said once, "It just works" and it really does. people still buy their shit at full price and they just accept being memed because it still gives them clicks.

[@paranoidandroid___1248]

They don’t plan to grow at all…….their modding community will take care of them no matter how terrible the game is.

[@dukejohnson1956]

Grow? They’re a huge studio they don’t need to grow. They should’ve maintained their original status quo, but they keep getting worse and worse unfortunately

[@martinkis2000]

@@dukejohnson1956 grow as in get better, improve

[@germanmosca]

@@brokenhanz-o4m Doesn't really have anything to do with woke.

[@Randymountaine]

The lack of consequences (Able to do every factions missions) was ridiculous and felt empty. And the endless loading screens just killed immersion completely for me. Wanted to sit in cockpit and fly myself into space and back down somewhere else then land and walk out of my ship. But nope gotta hit 3 loading screens

[@CadgerChristmasLightShow]

I've yet to play the game, I'm downloading it on game pass to try without paying full price lol. Do the loading screens take forever even when the game is installed on an SSD? Because that's impressively shitty if so. The whole big advantage of the "next gen" consoles is the SSD upgrade.

[@merksmovies25]

Able to do every faction quest not ridiculous. It actually creates more freedom to tell your story. If your character doesnt fit the FSC faction then dont play it. However if you want your character to have an allegiance change from FS to UC then that should be an option.

[@masoclevine836]

@@merksmovies25lol it’s not allegiance change if every faction treats you the same without really acknowledging your status with the others

[@merksmovies25]

@@masoclevine836 it doesnt need to. I could care less. I would rather have the option to play all four than be limited to specific decisions. I get to Play the game my way.

[@Jester_Jingles]

Skyrim also didn’t have consequences. Games very much of it’s time. They have barely updated their gameplay loop. They keep getting worse at making rpgs as they keep using dated gaming loops.

[@Reycied]

I spent two hours trying to build a ship that looked even remotely close to my dream Space Apartment™. When I stepped inside, I found that the door to my cockpit was gone...because I'd put a window on the roof of the adjoining module. That, coupled with the sheer BAFFLING decision to only make a small handful of arbitrary parts rotatable (and not even rotatable, just flipped along a single axis) killed my desire to engage with the game any further.

[@Toygains]

lol, you used to be named "Lukie poo"?

[@Versace_sheets]

LMAO

[@SoldierSpiderx]

The fact that 99% of mission lead to the same building, even though they are located in different planets. You can even know where the bad guys are like Imagine the amount of data that must be processed when going through that door instead of just jumping down that ledge. Most of the loading screens make no sense and No May's Sky fails to live up to expectations: devs knuckle down and fixes the problems and Starfield fails to live up to expectations: "Tell the peasants why they're wrong."

[@Reevahn]

You know what's funny? Starfjeld gave me a newfound appreciation for The Outer Worlds; and that game is a 7/10 at best itself

[@westoftherockies]

outworlds sucks ROFL....oh boy you haven't played starfield...i've played outworlds and it has no dungeons, its super boring just like fallout NV was.nothing to do in the gameworld...so go back to outworlds...lol and starfield is rated at 8.5...and thats from over 90 publication with a metacritic of 8.6 on pc and about 8.4 on xbox...so the "obsidian" crowd who hates bethesda and the fact the own the fallout franchise isn't really the group thats playing bethesda games..they're like you and starfield lives in your head.

[@germanmosca]

@@westoftherockies You mean all these publications that said "We have to give it a high score because we gave Skyrim a high score, and because we don't want to anger Bethesda and Microsoft. because then they won't give us access for new releases in the future for us to review."? Really a great archievment to get that score under such circumstances... And also... sorry to say it: Starfield hardly has dungeons. I also find it funny that you call Fallout NV was boring and had nothing to do in the gameworld... did you actually play NV? Doesn'T sound like it if you make such a claim.

[@TheMarcHicks]

​@@westoftherockies oh, & Outer Worlds got a better Critic review on Metacritic and Opencritic than Starfield got. So.cope harder, Bugthesda boy 😆

[@jonathanwessner3456]

@@westoftherockies The first leaked review for SF literally said he WANTED to give it a better score, and he was an xbox only gamer and reviewer. he gave it an 85 . OW was more fun to play from the start than SF. Heck, Skyrim is still more fun to play than SF

[@lastmanstanding7155]

​​@@westoftherockies Objectively you are incorrect about new vegas' world. No matter which way you choose to go or what to do the game is developing the world and enticing the gamer to get invovled in the events of the places they visit. Even giving retroactive reasons to go back and visit older places or by prepping the player for future conflicts. I'll give ya that the game certainly isn't finished but the game had a strong game world vision for the player to get invested in. And this is on a development level. Starfield doesn't really do much of this or make the world exciting enough to explore. On top of the fact that the worlds are small making the exploring that much more lame/tedious. Outerworlds is boring in the beginning tho. I will not contest that. I actively stay away from replaying that game because of how boring that opening is.

[@Aaron_Esh]

Todd Howard biography: from a real developer to the clown

[@ideenlos9242]

I nver understood the thing about Side Quests in Starfield. I always compare it to Skyrim, going into a Draugr infested Dungeon with magic traps and Different enemy types like an Draugr Deathlord and a dragon priest at the end is just different from going into your 5th randomly generated cave and kill the same 5 priates with guns over and over again

[@PotentialLegend]

After seeing the surprise Cyberpunk 2.1 update it made me realize how much Bethesda has completely failed at post launch support compared to other companies.

[@jaydenhogan507]

As much as I’m delighted that Cyberpunk is in a good spot now, that game had 3 fucking years to get to a good level. Starfield came out in September this year. The Bethesda devs don’t help themselves though

[@vangoghsseveredear]

​@@jaydenhogan507Ive said it elsewhere, but Bethesda and Starfield will never have a redemption like CDPR did. Look at Skyrim. Theyve never massively overhauled their games, and so many of Starfields issues are intrinsically baked into the game. Youll never be able to take off from a planet. Youll never get rid of the load screens. Youll never be able to populate 1000 barren planets. Its going to be the same game in 5 years that it is today.

[@jeffkimball3450]

@@jaydenhogan507 there’s a difference you aren’t even mentioning here…CDPR made a completely different game with cyberpunk than anything they’ve made before. Bethesda has the same bugs in their games from 10+ years ago. What CDPR has done is extremely impressive considering how different of a game they made. Bethesdas last game before starfield was fallout 76, I don’t even have to say what cdprs last game was…I’m sure you’ve heard of it

[@jfelton3583]

​​@@jaydenhogan507i was just about to say this.... It took CD Projeckt red 3 damn years to not just add new content but also update the game to as good as it is now. I bought Cyberpunk release day on my Xbox and played maybe 15 to 20 hours and quit it waiting for it to get updates to make it better. Yeah 3 years later on my PS5 and it's finally enjoyable to play.

[@jfelton3583]

​@@jeffkimball3450none of that matters. Cyberpunk was horrible and you forget THE LIED, BLATANTLY LIED about cyberpunk so it being their first time means nothing.

[@Barbarossa125]

"When the astronauts went to the moon, there was nothing there." Why? The moon is a frontier. When the astronauts arrved at the moon, they found a hazardous environment: No breathable air, no water, exposed to radiation, a sterile soil, dust, which can cause misfunctions in your equipment, and the high uncertainty to ever come back to earth. If you can’t see even those base things, how can you make a game about it and give the player some sort of feeling to be at those places yet make seemingly empty places interesting? There were many things they could have done, to make places like the moon at least atmospherical appealing, but had no idea about how…

[@King-IbnDragon]

One minor correction. The customer isn't always right. Sometimes the customer can go straight to hell. Though this Bethesda situation isn't one of the "to hell" times.

[@ChaseBuck]

Yes lol. There are clear times when customers aren’t right IMO, this isn’t one of them lol, good rule of thumb is that REVIEWS should just be left alone, unless it’s clearly spam

[@flyingmonkeyskin]

The original quote was "the customer is always right in matters of taste."

[@andersp.1264]

Customers are very often wrong, but when you represent a company, your job is to act like their feedback is valuable even when it's not. That's basic PR, you can't make the customer feel like you think they're spouting nonsense, even when they objectively are. Even if the customer says something ridiculous like "Starfield is boring because you can't play Gwent in it", the proper PR response would be something like "we're sorry you were disappointed by the lack of card-based minigames in Starfield", not "this isn't Witcher 3 lol", and certainly not "real life astronauts didn't have to play card games on the moon to feel entertained, therefore you're wrong". PR is often like improv in the sense that you can't just respond with "no", you have to say "yes, and".

[@kristopherryan2719]

I personally feel the issue stems from modding (not the community itself, they're awesome). I feel Bethesda understands that if they make some semblance of an open world, the community will do the rest of the work for them in improving and updating the game (look at skyrim, some of those mods are insane). And so as a result, people still buy the game understanding that they can just mod it into the game they want, instead of critiquing what was given to us.

[@drgxiii]

The actual quote most companies forget is "The customer is always right in matters of taste." If a customer doesn't like Strawberries you can't tell them their wrong for not liking it. Other than that they are most often wrong.

[@yourbestfriendwhosblack3211]

I think Todd Howard is being held hostage by all of those middle aged fat white chicks with the different hair dyes that have taken over the Bethesda office. They weren't around during fallout 3 or Skyrim and they all look the same. Must be synths or something.

[@Aramey44]

Both Skyrim and Fallout 4 are my most played singleplayers of all time. 30 hours into Starfield and I already feel done with exploring, looting, building or running errands through 10 loading screens. Just trying to wrap up main story and faction quests hoping to see something cool, but Bethesda is so behind the rest of the industry that sometimes I feel like I'm watching a scene straight out of Oblivion, but with HD graphics.

[@matthewhearne7200]

💯

[@fiddlerfiddle5761]

Same, I've spent thousands of hours on each and I couldn't even get past 30 hours before I was like "... yeah this is boring..." I can play vanilla Skyrim and FO4 until I stop breathing dude, I can take a bit of boredom. This game was something else

[@TheRixtah1]

Skyrim is a game I keep planning to pump hours into. But end up playing for maybe a couple of hours after tweaking my mods at which point I quickly grow bored, and go back to Nexus Mods to find some more mods to tweak my experience. Then by the time I've tweaked the mods again I've lost interest in playing Skyrim and go on to play something else. It's been going on like this for years and I've only put a sum total of maybe 100 hrs into it. It just never quite hooks me the way I want it to. Nice seeing a fellow Justice appreciator btw.

[@westoftherockies]

running errands? you think thats the starfields quests? ROFL...i don't think you've played muych of the game if at all...seriously...its a good game and better than skyrim and fallout its most definately not an errand and fetch quest game..not even close...geez, at least actually play the game instead of just literaly making crap up.

[@facts3221]

@@westoftherockiesit feels like it because you are just loading screen hopping

[@A-Rather-Dubious-Character]

Imagine telling someone how to feel about your game because you don't like that they found the experience to be garbage. Entitled man-child right there.

[@oloseldarion7117]

Starfield could have been a BGS magnum opus if they built four or five “planets” each roughly the size of FO4 or Skyrim, with corresponding cities and cultures/biomes, with an over world and cave system, and then set themselves up for 10+ years of DLC with added sub-zones to the planets.

[@erdinc2590]

Thats not the only issue. Factions are reaaallly boring they offer no value. IIRC Literally every named NPC is unkillable. Colour palette is uninspring. Only good thing Starfield did was bringing back some of the daggerfield perk system back

[@gavinw77]

'Sarfield could have been great if they made a completely different game' - that could be said about many games. It's pretty much an open statement, and impossible to deliver.

[@rommdan2716]

​@@erdinc2590 "B-b-but that's not realistic!!"

[@QuantumDrone]

This is approaching EA "pride and sense of accomplishment" levels of bad now.

[@BauerAzlan]

Ironically one of the major reasons why I didnt buy Starfield was precisely because they advertised 1000 planets.

[@botezsimp5808]

I got it on gamepass. But when I heard 1000 planets I also was like "seriously, that's to much, there won't be content!" Not surprised in the least I was right. I don't know why companies think larger and larger worlds is better than smaller worlds with more content. Smh

[@danthe7942]

It's not the only Bethesda Game that is more fun to talk about than to play it, just sayin 💀

[@Thresher326]

My thoughts exactly. YongYea's Fallout 76 videos were hilarious.

[@Erebus_the_trustworthy]

Frankly I think BGS & Todd's team specifically are the video game industries version of a one hit wonder with morrowind with every product after with less & less but looking better to hide the shallowness, with being in the industry at the right time to capture people's imagination. Peaking with skyrim but now they're the 35 year old guy who peaked in high school football. They rode the fame with high egos & them being Aholes is now snapping back. Stanfields just solidified that if Todd & his cronies are behind ES6 & its STILL on the creation engine, I'm skipping it.

[@RocketRenton]

Game Pass is there, try it out, but just don't buy it. It's the same for pretty much every game now, and too many people have been ripped off at least this past decade, all the major franchises are done now, this is just another dev studio to go the same way.

[@kiriuxeosa8716]

The funny thing is skyrim being ported over 200 times showed me that though it was fun the fun I really had was breaking it due to all the glitches If the game couldn't be broken and didn't desperately depend on modding to keep it alive I question whether it would be as beloved as it was

[@elizabethtischler686]

All that has been said above in the comments is completely true...

[@VenomGamingCenter]

Todd didn't create the world of elder scrolls. Others did, who then left, Todd just used what they'd created as a basis

[@JwhateverJ]

They give the game away with a bag of Doritos. Lol. Still won't get me to play this garbage.

[@DeenanTheKemon1]

The real problem is all game studios trying to spend 10 dollars to make 100. Profit margins are unrealistic, and 98% of the modern industries problems can be attributed to one thing: Greed. "Cut corners and cut them fast!!"

[@mrnobody043]

A little tip, you can feed the review response into chatgtp and ask it if it was an AI response. it can detect text structures that AI would use. They added that feature because teachers wanted to be able to check if their students didn't just copy paste AI responses and skip on their homework. i don't know if that feature is in both unpaid and paid service or just paid service.

[@capablanc]

They all come back as not AI.

[@mrnobody043]

@@capablancthen that'll be your answer right there :)

[@Acrylescent]

@@capablancthat’s almost worse lol

[@Slice.]

​@@Acrylescent😂

[@TowerWatchTV]

This is why Bethesda lost any rights to be defended by anyone. They literally do not care and people should reflect that back.

[@christoffer886]

I am a big fan of 2001, Asimov, real science and exploration. All of the things that influenced Starfield. I can see the love of old sci-fi, the love of everything about space exploration and hard sci-fi literature… and I’m so disappointed that it didn’t deliver. With the setting that Starfield is set in, it would have been the height for all people loving the type of sci-fi that Starfield is aiming for. It’s sad that we didn’t get the vision that was hyped up. And I hope something will come along that fit that type of sci-fi, but it won’t be Bethesda delivering that.

[@Hallreaver]

From everything i have seen of Starfield, i would not say that it has any love of old Sci-Fi.. Something that has that feel however, is Star Citizen/Squadren 42. Bethesda is sadly outdated at this point, with a 20+ yo outdated game Engine and outdated recycled gameplay mechanics, there is absolutely nothing new in Starfield, it is a, for better or worse (Worse imo), a Bethesda game through and through.. I used to love Bethesda games, the last ones that did something for me was Skyrim and Fallout 4. It is very sad to see having played their games for 20 odd years, to see them fall so short, but i've seen it years in advance how quickly outdated everything they have been making is, compared to others in the industry.

[@OrangeNash]

@@Hallreaver Yes, I would say it has no real sci-fi. Just a thin veneer of spaceyness. 300 years in the future and everything looks and sounds much the same as today. Only with no cars or radios.

[@robbieburns3564]

Also - Todd standing behind you in the dark.. smiling coldly, unmoving and unblinking ... is creepy AF.

[@TheEveryDayC]

Bethesda's inadvertent Star Citizen advertising is shaping up quite well

[@ppsarrakis]

so true... Star Citizen as it is without the controversy and insane system requirements,is a better game...

[@mryellow6918]

​@@ppsarrakisruns better than starfield alto of the time

[@fabiboiii]

I remembered the beauty of a dense, atmospheric world like 'Gothic' (at the time of launch) when I first played Monster Hunter World and was really really wondering why so few companies go for density (like CP2077) rather than sheer size (Starfield) of a map/world

[@az099283]

Nice video Lukiepoo.

[@drewfirst3486]

Did Bethesda forget that the astronauts got payed to go to the moon? Meanwhile we get to pay for $70 for a game whose studio is paying an employee to insult customers on social media. Makes perfect sense in 2023.

[@alexander-ru4gd]

Whod you copy this vid from?

[@reezwave]

That's beyond stupid, they could just stay silent. Doing this would just make them look worst than already is

[@Ramschat]

Funny how the ChatGPT response was way more honest than the actual 'customer support'

[@LIONGOD]

this is like what happened to disney... they made a less than desireable movie, people told them, and disney responded by saying eveyrone was stupid and couldnt apreciate their movie

[@StevenSenile]

An F'able Lil twink

[@hansolo8080]

ChatGPT lost me when it said "As a Bethesda customer you might have high expectations."

[@mightymac1005]

Bethesda is lazy, arrogant and entitled. What did you expect?

[@DanielMether]

In Star Citizens' defence, slow progress is better than none.

[@robbieburns3564]

I started playing Fallout 4 for a few hours today for no particular reason - as it was a rainy cold day outside. I've forgotten it, but now I remember how it was so much better than Starfield for exploration, immersion and a cohesive big, creative world. The story is still kind of meh, but I feel I'm making my own story by discovering all these little micro details. Pockets of small stories littered all around it's world. Starfield really is a big big big disappointment.

[@christopherhennessey8403]

I actually enjoy the side quests more than the main in fallout 4

[@MacMashPotato]

Bethesda games at this point are like Stephen Seagal movies, dont know why people are buying them, dont know why people watch them and say they like them, but they are some terrible movies that only progressively get worse as time goes on.

[@johnnymidnight2982]

Starfield looks like a game where instead of having fetch quests, you have to fill out 10 TPS reports. What a blast.

[@BunkerSquirrel]

I distinctly remember the first 10 minutes of playing Skyrim a week from launch. I commented to my friends about how the graphics seemed super dated and the animations stiff, lifeless, or downright janky. Of course I was torn a new one because criticizing Bethesda at the time was sacrilegious, but honestly Bethesda has changed very little in the last 13 years. It’s just with each passing release more and more people are realizing it.

[@redninja3056]

Um yeah no most Bethesda fans aren't complaining about any of that they're complaining that the world's are empty and not as good as skyrim so you deserved to be torn if that's the only thing you took from skyrim

[@bricaaron3978]

That is absolutely what Skyrim was. It's a main reason why I bounced off of it the first time. It was the first Elder Scrolls game I played, but I was so disgusted by the melee mechanics, the textures, shadows, and general visual realism, having seen no improvement from Fallout 3, which even in 2008 was much visually worse than Half-Life 2, F.E.A.R., Dark Messiah, and of course Crysis. I didn't realize at the time that a lot of it was the result of the Great Consolization of 2008, because at the time I didn't realize the Great Consolization had _happened._ Anyway, I tried again a year later and this time fell into the gameplay, avoiding melee and using only bow and arrow, and completed it (The same sequence that occurred with Fallout 3, except when I tried again a year later I avoided the shooting mechanics and used only V.A.T.S., lol).

[@ghengisdong6714]

Your not wrong. Skyrim is damn near unplayable now a days

[@gageroberts5513]

Its not that we are beginning to realise it. It's just that their innovation and their creativity/Overall effort now have been far too lacking to excuse those legit issues they still have to this day. Skyrim has so much more good than bad that it warrants for us to turn a blind eye to that stuff. We can no longer turn a blind eye because all we have is issues now..

[@BrandonGavin_EDC]

I’ve never liked Bethesda games. I’ve always felt they lacked a lot. I’ve never found Fallout fun, never wanted to even try Skyrim.

[@sid7337]

Companies only take ur feedback seriously when u hurt their bank balance. Stop buying their game and they will change.

[@RocketKiss]

Some people should use some estrogen blockers and some people should use starfield blockers.

[@VampireKa1n]

It's a huge red flag when any company does this. You see it a lot on reviews at poorly managed restaurants. It shows that they aren't listening to feedback or taking it seriously. I'm very worried about TES6.

[@azmodanpc]

If you’re looking forward to ES 6 with this track record, I don’t know what to tell you…

[@VampireKa1n]

@@azmodanpc I liked the track record up until 76.

[@ВасилийИванов-у5ь]

Psst... Dude... He is right behind you...

[@Decimator_517]

Overwhelmed? Overwhelmed with sheer disappointment.

[@gtabro1337]

The "planets are not boring but realistic" defence makes me think Starfield is competing with Microsoft Flight Simulator and not the, you know, non-sim regular pure fun games...

[@mitrovarr]

Honestly I don't think the empty planets are a problem. Space is really, really big, and there's going to be a lot of empty airless rocks. For instance, look at our solar system; there's a ton of ice-and-rocky moons in the outer solar system and I don't think all of them would have interesting resources or features. If you want a realistic setting that feels huge, you're going to have a lot of boring places. Many better designed space games have them as well, but there isn't any player incentive to interact with them, so the player ends up ignoring them. That's fine; they accomplish their goal of making the universe feel huge while requiring few developer resources to make because of procedural generation. That's the way empty planets should be used. Starfield falls afoul by having pointless copy-paste POIs on them, which ruins them as a feature for making space feel huge and empty, and the developer's response completely misses the point of having these planets in the game. You're not supposed to try to find fun by spending actual time mucking around on the anonymous lifeless rock orbiting some random ice giant in a backwater system. It's just part of the setting.

[@gortimustidditus]

This may sound controversial, but this is 100% expected from this studio at this point. I knew this game would be like this, so didn't buy it so I could wait to see what people thought. I'm sad I was right, because it would be cool to see Bethesda build consumer rapport rather than abuse it, but I'm just absolutely not surprised this is what the game turned out to be, unfortunately.

[@sensacionsombria5125]

I agree. Bethesda has been sucking so bad since 2011. Skyrim was their last good game

[@yurinoworry]

I felt the same way.

[@amberbaum4079]

@@sensacionsombria5125 Skyrim was the tipping point, tho. Still great visual design and fun world to explore(not too big, not too small), but the gameplay got severely dumped down. Loot-tables became worse, meaning the player was always given what the devs deemed to fit the current player level(Stupid shit leather wearing bandits suddenly have moonstone ingots in their inventory and other expensive stuff). Writing also was a fat "meh" to "hamfisted garbage". Cool idea, but bad execution in most cases when it came to the writing. The Dragonborn DLC felt like a last good whimper from the BGS writer team.

[@CyroTheSpider]

Most of us older fans knew this would be case. When I played my first 25 hours of Fallout 4, I knew that was it for Bethesda. The end. When writing quality takes such a huge dump, you know there are bigger problems at the whole organization. Fallout 4 was my first negative review on Steam and I still remember being kinda shook when I realized I had to look elsewhere for quality content. The difference was, Fallout 4 brought in mostly new fans and that's why it received good reviews - the thing with Fallout is, it is such a good franchise concept, anyone's first Fallout is a unique and unforgettable experience. Having played Fallout 1, 2, 3 and NV, I knew better. They should've learned from (Obsidian) New Vegas' writing and their own amazing immersion of Skyrim. They didn't.

[@the_motherfucker]

You're completely right. That's what happens when they become big. The best solution is to move on from triple-A games and start focusing on indie games

[@aerenprice]

BGS has had 3 "wake up calls" so far... Fallout 4, 76, and now Starfield. It's obvious that they will not learn and the studio should go bankrupt or be bought out by someone...

[@Rokabur]

Imagine what some indie devs who have HEART and PASSION could do with Bethesda's IPs. Imagine an Isometric hack-n-slash (Diablo clone) Elder Scrolls game or Fallout going back to its Isometric roots?

[@daygon128]

My best friend, who spent all last generation playing with me and other friends on Playstation 4, bought a Series X instead of a Playstation 5 just to play this game. Now he is stuck with it and, aside from Call of Duty, can't play any games online with us anymore. He got me to watch him play it and said "Look at how awesome this is!" while genuinely running around and doing nothing. He defends the game like he's being paid to, and it's been painful watching his slow realization that he spent nearly $600 to play one of the most boring games released in years, whilst alienating all of his online friends. He has missed so many fun moments with us that it genuinely saddens me. I think I'll get him a PS5 for Christmas out of pity.

[@jona7357]

id like to thank tommy tallarico for making this video

[@EricMalette]

All you have to do is fire up CyberPunk to see what a modern game looks and plays like. It's almost cringe-inducing to fire up Starfield after a good CyberPunk session. What is Bethesda doing?

[@r99716]

Lukie Poo

[@PrinceAlhorian]

We would like to thank Todd GPT for personally answer every single critique with an air of downing a whole jar of artificial sweetener.

[@Jok3sta]

Downloaded the game on gamepass, played some hours, purchased cyberpunk, cried at its brilliance, uninstalled Starfield and never looked back

[@Jeremy-ql1or]

8:49 The AI included "potential for improvement" as one of the things people should like about Starfield.

[@yurinoworry]

So have the Bethesda fanboys I know IRL, preaching to me that I should try it and it’ll get better

[@aabcul7677]

@@yurinoworry theres no doubt in my mind that it will get better after modders take it over. that being said ive already given up on it and probably wont come back even with mods

[@yurinoworry]

@@aabcul7677 sure it will but that doesn’t mean anything to me New Vegas plays great without mods and is only enhanced with them Every Bethesda game is dog shit without mods and moderately playable with them (Except Morrowind. We love you, Morrowind.)

[@aabcul7677]

@@yurinoworry ya that’s my point, bethesda is incapable of creating a good game nowadays and it shouldn’t be like that

[@yurinoworry]

@@aabcul7677 it is sad but no need to go down with the ship I say. plenty of old games to play, and current too. my favorite game ever is Castlevania SOTN despite it being pretty easy. Bethesda will never hand craft a world with even a tenth of the heart that game had. I’ve just learned to accept it and move on.

[@SmilingSimian]

Even the Apollo era astronauts got a lunar rover on Apollo15 to drive around the moon, something Bethesda refuses to give to it's players, because Starfield's 'perfect.' 😂

[@corymitchell902]

I was so excited for Starfield. Skyrim was the game that got me into RPGs and the first original IP from the same studio since the Elder Scrolls was easily going to be my game of the year, if not decade. Instead I found myself falling in love with Baldur's Gate 3, an absolute masterpiece of an RPG, and that helped me more clearly see the cracks in Starfield's design. I haven't finished it and really have no plans to and yet I'm on my 3rd playthrough of BG3 with plans for many more.

[@MacMashPotato]

I remember Tod Howard saying that fallout 76 was a "couch game" as in just to get more devs in to switch focus to starfeild, and if thats the case, and starfield was their gem. Id hate to see how bad ES6 will be.

[@spartaan1318]

When the game was announced, I was so excited because with what I knew their niche to be I was convinced they would make a great space game with ONE solar system which was exactly what I have been wanting, because there are so many games that have 5 trillion planets, and they do it wildly better, I’m sad because Skyrim was the first game I bought and I fell in love, I wish they weren’t doing this to themselves

[@Talcor]

Idk if youll see this or if you already know this but the design director emil has said both that he ignores reviews or criticism and doesnt even look at it. Im not 100% sure on the wording but i know that was the gist of it. He also on video has talked about how he hates having a design document for a game because he thinks it slows things down and gets outdated so there is no design document for starfield, nobody updating one, none to reference for developers working on the game. I think thats absurd and i think it shows when you look at starfield as a finished product.

[@yarou3124]

Ignoring consumers' feedback is a business waiting for failure.

[@InMaTeofDeath]

I've been over it for a while now. All Starfield really did was instill a desire in me to play Skyrim again so I could actually get some of that sweet exploration I wanted in Starfield. Sadly I'm being held back by the other great games this year and I'd have to spend a good 2-3 days modding the hell out of it before I can begin.

[@drewfirst3486]

The fact that Bethesduh compares Starfield's boring parts with Apollo 11 just shows their disconnect with reality. Not to mention that the basics of customer service preclude you from being an A-Hole to your customers. Bethesduh has that "No you're boring" response to customers. How disappointing but I expect it at this point. "it just works" for them.

[@GreyBeerd58]

What you didn’t mention is that many of the reviews Bethesda reacted to, have gotten hundreds of comments reacting to the developer comment. That’s an achievement in itself I think.

[@themancalledben2731]

The problem started when people started praising developers. That wasn't always a thing, we just enjoyed games up until a certain point around the early 2000's when people started acting this way. Now the developers have huge egos and you can't blame them after years of being treated like gods. To be short, Bethesda fans did this to themselves because they were fans of Bethesda instead of fans of the product alone. They put trust into and praised a company until that company started looking at them like worshippers not customers.

[@issahumps]

Exchange “worshippers” with “pay pigs” lol

[@yasminconroy8122]

"What comes with great power, comes great responsibility"

[@Igor19485]

Yep, I used to be a Naughty Dog fan thinking they could do no wrong ( they had a great record to be fair) and then they release The Last of Us Part II, that fucking horrible mess and get away with it too, because they are WOKE.

[@tmac326]

The internet and social media has turned them into celebrities of sorts now.

[@kimberkan]

agreed, i honestly miss when there was less interaction or even less understanding of developers and what theyre doing. if the game was bad we just didnt buy it, moved on to others. ignorance was bliss back then

[@millerlight2592]

They theoretically could have made an even more in-depth mass effect-meets-skyrim if they had stuck with the 6 or 7 main planets, and simple exploration of space and "empty" planets, and people probably would have loved it. Skyrim style depth on a few planets would have gone a lot farther than trying to fake no-man sky "thousands of worlds" without any tech to actually back it up.

[@OK-_-KO]

I think they should've done 3 or 4 solar systems with like 5 to 8 planets each. Each planet could have like 2-4 country sized regions with a few cities in each and lots of hand crafted wilderness/caves/outpost/lakes/rivers and just a bunch of actual content between the cities. Then in the regions of the map between the countries, it could just be procedurally generated terrain based on a handful of templates that would still feel very diverse amongst a total of maybe 25 to 40 planets. If they did it that way the political tension present in the game would be much stronger and felt almost every where you go unless you intentionally journey out into the unmapped procedural terrain which could actually be enjoyable too if it wasn't the majority of the game. Not only that but it would feel more like the people have actually inhabited the new planet and aren't just setting up shop in one small tiny section of a giant planet. And they're would just be way more content packed way more densely and it would provide a lot more natural, less gamey ways of giving content to the player. (Sorry for the rant, i just wish bethesda set there ambitious more reasonably, itd be better for everyone)

[@curry117brine6]

Starfield could have been really interesting if we saw the perspective of an early settlement with a broken warp drive. There could have been amazing world building because some rando colonist may not be aware of some weird war, or have one of those alien things be the final boss of a detective side quest. But like how call of duty wanted titanfall, Bethesda wanted star citizen

[@Kris-ok2eu]

What is also crazy to me about this game is that with all this procedural generation and “infinite possibilities” 99.9% of planets have almost exactly the same topography and have no interesting places, nothing that stands out, no planet with beautiful mountains, flowing rivers and waterfalls, unique planets where there’s bioluminescent life forms so it glows a certain colour at night, no unique fauna or vegetation like maybe massive creatures walking around a planet that’s mostly overgrown fungus, volcanic maps where there’s magma everywhere and you can see volcanoes in the distance. There’s just nothing interesting to even see, once you’ve visited half a dozen-a dozen planets you can call it quits, you won’t find anything much more unique or interesting to even just walk around in