The Story of the British Railways Garratts (Reworked)

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@LJRailfan-Gamer_07. 8 күн бұрын

The LNER and LMS Garratt’s show the reason why the UK never used locomotives with two sets of drive wheels because their freight cars are smaller in size compared to the United States and Australia, that they would rip the coupling or crush the cars because of their incredible power.

@damianlittle3367 Ай бұрын

My father used to fire garrets on the LMS. He said the draught could be so strong, it sucked the coal off the shovel and the coke from the chimney rained onto the cab roof. The rotary tenders were very unreliable. Often a big lump of clinker would jam them, so he had to climb inside to break it up. Pulling 120 wagons of coal loose coupled was not fun when the speed got too high. Several times he had to jump off and hit as many wagon brakes as possible then jump on the guards van for a cup of tea and hopefully the train comes to a stop before a red signal. The amount of times they were hoping that all the pegs were off otherwise they would have Spadded for sure.

@amessman Ай бұрын

At this point, whenever I see locomotive I am unfamiliar with, be it the Class 37s, 55s, 58s, 59 and 66s, Garratts, you name it, I think "I bet Rory has a video about it" and more often than not, one of your high quality documentaries is waiting for me. The same goes for most airliners, and the automotive content is a great bonus, always having something new to be learned. Many thanks for these great videos.

@drstevenrey Ай бұрын

This is one seriously impressive piece of kit. What a beast.

@cheyvengeance5432 Ай бұрын

Only 1 standard gauge Garratt that ran in Britain survives and that’s William Francis (ExNCB) currently sat at Bressingham in Norfolk, she might even become yet again the only working standard gauge garratt in Britain

@AndrewBell-c2t Ай бұрын

currently sitting…. Not currently sat….

@mikebrown3772 Ай бұрын

I think that for completeness the story of this design of which several were built for various industries should have been included.

@kisarabanuja3254 Ай бұрын

Just to let you know, the Big boy and most Garratts were NOT mallets. They all had the same cylinder size in each set of driving wheels.

@JonAschenbrenner Ай бұрын

The Southern Pacific's Cab Forwards like 4274 and 4294 were called "Mountain Mallets." That and the Virginian Railroad's AE 2-10-10-2 Double Decapods were Mallets.

@davidwhiting1761 Ай бұрын

In the case of the Cab Forwards that's more of a local name rather than a literal name. Cab Forwards were simple articulateds, not "true" mallets. People often group all articulated locomotives as mallets simply because mallet locomotives were the first articulated locomotives. Mallets use compounding, and thus have different sized front and rear cylinders, the rear cylinders being smaller as they use fresh steam and the front cylinders being much bigger to make use of "spent" steam. "Simple" articulated locos use fresh steam in all cylinders and thus have all cylinders sized the same. Back to your example, while the Cab Forwards are not true mallets despite the locals calling them "Mountain Mallets", the Virginian locos were indeed true mallets with larger cylinders in front and smaller cylinders behind.

@johnjephcote7636 Ай бұрын

My father used to take me to watch them at Napsbury by the Radlett airfield, (there was still a station there) and I am certain I saw my last one tucked away in the loco yard at Cricklewood. This would all be in the 1950s.

@briancooper562 Ай бұрын

Another detail found in Australia was to get max. tractions the water tanks had to be as full as possible as the weight of the boiler section was shared between the two drive units. On a long and steep hill traction would reduce as the water was consumed. Also a reason South African Garratts had to pull water tank wagons to enable journeys to be completed, due to traction, water consumption and the dry terrain restricting water supply.

@DKS225 Ай бұрын

With The NSW Garratts in the form of The AD60 Class though they were introduced from 1952 to 1956 it wasn't until 1966 that approval was granted to double-head them. They were in service until the 24th of February 1973 but on the mainlines it was December 1972 that the last of the 260 ton giants were withdrawn. One of the most spectacular sights of the steam ere in NSW was two AD 60's hauling 1200 tons of coal from Newstan Colliery up the 2kms of 1 in 40 of Fassifern Bank. Though they had to reverse until just south of Fassifern Station to get a decent enough run up Fassifern Bank.

@lukegreen5341 Ай бұрын

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@stephendavies6949 Ай бұрын

Excellent video. Didn't the NCB have a Garrett or two? I'm sure I saw one at Bressingham Museum.

@TheHoveHeretic Ай бұрын

You most certainly did see one there. "William Francis" was built by Beyer Peacock (Works No. 6841) for Baddesley Colliery in 1937.

@johnjephcote7636 Ай бұрын

The first Garratt in GB is illustrated in the Railway Magazine p232 Vol LIV Jan-Jun 1924. Beyer, Peacock & Co. for Vivian & Sons, Ltd., Swansea; the Hafod Copper Mine with gradient 1 in 20 and max curvature of 97ft radius. Perhaps that standard gauge 0-4-0 - 0-4-0 is the one that still survives.

@stephendavies6949 Ай бұрын

@@TheHoveHeretic Aha, not a false memory! Thanks for confirming.

@TheHoveHeretic Ай бұрын

@@johnjephcote7636Had to look thst one up. Preserved British Steam has no listing for the loco, so unfortunately, that particular one seems like a goner. Shame, as being an early example of the breed, it looked like an effective direct ancestor of suriving 0-4-0+0-4-0 William Francis

@slenut Ай бұрын

I believe the first ever garratt, built for here in Tasmania, now back in UK had issues with cylinders under cab floor

@TheHoveHeretic Ай бұрын

For all the restoration skills of the Mighty Blodge, K1 was and remains very much a working prototype, with all the inherent design foibles that implies. Ask anyone who's worked on this amazing survivor.

@1951GL Ай бұрын

Derby drawing office had a lot to answer for!

@TheHoveHeretic Ай бұрын

Beyer Peacock has the hand of this loco design malarky in general .... and Garratts in particular. Things only tended to go wrong when railways' CMEs (and random busybodies like Anderson) stuck their oar in. Compare the LMS Garratts to the SAR GL, or the NZGR G Class to the EAR Class 59 or the SNCFA (Algerian) 231-132 BT machines to ..... (sorry, I'm out of comparisons as those machines were heading for the later Bulleid Leader's territory!)

@RobertGracie Ай бұрын

I know where there is a Garratt steam train in the Bulawayo Railway Museum number 600 that is a 16th Class Garratt train its a beast!

@gregorylenton8200 Ай бұрын

WOW WHAT A BEAST

@Dave_Sisson Ай бұрын

Well not quite an end to Garratts in Britain. The Welsh Highland Railway rebuilt the first ever Garratt that originally operated in a similar climate in western Tasmania. They also use some of the last Garratts ever built sourced from South Africa.

@TheTrainMaster15 Ай бұрын

I wish it was back in Tassie. Would be fun to see on the West Coast Wilderness Railway

@Dave_Sisson Ай бұрын

@@TheTrainMaster15 Wrong track width (or gauge). The line it worked out of Zeehan was 2 foot gauge, the West Coast Wilderness Railway is 3 and a half feet wide.

@TheTrainMaster15 Ай бұрын

@@Dave_Sisson totally forgot it’s not cape gauge. Had the Australian standard garratt stuck in the back of my mind lol

@TheHoveHeretic Ай бұрын

No NGG16A though .... yet. C'mon, Dinas, fingers out!

@roberthuron9160 Ай бұрын

The Welsh Highland and Festiniog have Garretts running in service,daily! All ex-SAR 2foot guage NG classes! Plus they have Vacuum brakes,on their equipment! Pity,that interwar,the Grouping railways,did not put continuous brakes on freight rolling stock! That is also the Government's stupidity for wanting a war,without preparing,an upgrade in transport! Finance short sightedness,and profit before reality! Thank you 😇 😊!

@AnnaHenson-g5d Ай бұрын

Your videos always bring me tons of fun and positivity! Thank you for your unrivaled geony and wit!🤘🏈🌘

@kevinrayner5812 Ай бұрын

Didn't Spain operate Garratts I seem to remember?

@obelic71 Ай бұрын

Outside of Europe especialy in Africa Garret typelocomotives were very succesfull. In Europe the type was very rare. Sofar i know only the UK and the Netherlands (1 unit LTM 51 )had them. Belgium had that lets build an overkill quadraplex engine just for fun!

@retrogamelover2012 Ай бұрын

I think one of them was used on a tramway, that unfortunately was scrapped due to it being moved to Germany in the 1930s.

@obelic71 Ай бұрын

@@retrogamelover2012 yes that one was first sold to a industrial complex in Germany in 1937 and scrapped in the 1950's . It was the only garret build by Hanomag/Henschell that had normal gauge and operated in Europe. All others were narrow gauges and exported to former German colonies in Africa.

@retrogamelover2012 Ай бұрын

@obelic71 Still a pity that it never got preserved.

@obelic71 Ай бұрын

@@retrogamelover2012 lots of important things were scrapped in the decade after WWII. They just needed the materials to rebuild wartorn Europe. And yes in hindsight view they scrapped an unique locomotive.

@retrogamelover2012 Ай бұрын

@obelic71 Yeah, I'm aware of how much of a toll the 2nd world war took on its nations. Just take the UK, for instance.