Thanks for your patience with this one! I hope it brings back lots of great memories.
@KINduz3jp8 ай бұрын
Thank you G.H for coming back to us with history and nostalgia!
@MrWhatever0858 ай бұрын
Great to have you back. I was getting worried
@mTwJARhead8 ай бұрын
Please continue to take your time. These videos are the best!
@MentalLiberation8 ай бұрын
Oh it definitely does. In all the right ways. Thanks for the continued, great work.
@lelandunruh78968 ай бұрын
Who knew dying of dysentery could hold such nostalgic appeal? Thank you!
@RobotacularRoBob8 ай бұрын
This could almost be a Ken Burns documentary. Gaming Historian’s quality never disappoints and is always improving.
@dsimpson5308 ай бұрын
Gaming Historian has always taken a page from PBS documentaries. Even the ending of each video (except this one) is a nod to PBS's "viewers like you". Easily some of the best KZbinrs
@GamingHistorian8 ай бұрын
Thank you. Ken Burns is my idol!
@rasputinslover8 ай бұрын
Ken burns is spot on. The tone, the sensitivity, the care… @gaminghistorian you’re a gem
@raymondfuller81778 ай бұрын
I just wanted to agree: the production quality of this video is absolutely top notch. The research and entertainment value are also excellent, but the production quality really stands out. Thank you Gaming Historian for your work.
@excrono8 ай бұрын
Get Peter Coyote onboard to narrate your next project and this could become a reality.
@Nobluffbuff8 ай бұрын
This game is remembered and loved by so many. Not only does the game represent American history, but the events surrounding it's creation also truly tells a great American story. Thanks for putting this together!
@GamingHistorian8 ай бұрын
Thank you for the generous donation. And I agree - it's a wonderful story!
@iyeetsecurity9228 ай бұрын
*Death by die-arrea.*
@jiveassturkey88498 ай бұрын
@@iyeetsecurity922yep. Dysentery was a major killer in the 19th century. You literally passed so much liquid that your body dries up and you go insane and eventually die. The best remedy at the time was opium.
@taylordunekacke57848 ай бұрын
I teach 5th grade social studies, and a few weeks ago, I showed my kids the game. I played it for them, and the kids cheered loudly when I shot a buffalo. The kids got hooked on the game. It's amazing a game so old can still get kids in 2024 excited about learning.
@generalinbox37408 ай бұрын
Which version did you show them?
@AKayfabe8 ай бұрын
I feel like this game is timeless. It gets occasional updates on graphics and choices but it’s otherwise unchanged in its original concept
@tsriftsal35818 ай бұрын
Pretty sure that would be considered pop tart with a bite taken out of it now. How dare you!
@BrianJNelson8 ай бұрын
There is a "new" version they revamped a year or two ago. It's not bad, but the original was top notch, for its day.
@fleshtaffy7 ай бұрын
Bullshit, and even if it's tue you'e a garbage teacher.
@BatmanBoss8 ай бұрын
Massive respect to these educators for creating a game that reached so many lives!
@GamingHistorian8 ай бұрын
They were really great. I had a blast talking to them!
@brettb2058 ай бұрын
@@GamingHistorian Thank you for taking the time to do this! Love getting to hear the story from the people themselves about the process of how it came to be. Blows my mind how people programmed games back in the day, and hearing it in the context of the board game and the other computer games they were experiencing at their college just goes to show how innovative these guys were. Never going to forget my childhood memories playing the MECC games with my brother. Still make random jokes with references to the Yukon Trail with him!
@spingleboygle8 ай бұрын
yep!
@chinabluewho7 ай бұрын
Except the part where the re-wrote history so Indians did no wrong, we should re-write history so whites never owned slaves.
@wetfeathers99716 ай бұрын
@@GamingHistorian Hey just curious! Why did Don Rawitsh not come by for a interview? Was his busy? This was still a wonderful video but was just curious since he had such a big role in making Oregon Trail. Thanks for the amazing content btw. I have been watching since you Super Mario Bros 3 video and I have always loved how much passion you put into these videos. Even the short form ones. Can't wait to see what you do next! ❤
@elfman728 ай бұрын
There are History Channel docs that don't even come close to the quality that you bring to us. Simply amazing.
@AlwaysBolttheBird8 ай бұрын
That’s because……..aliens
@queenannsrevenge1008 ай бұрын
@@AlwaysBolttheBird- yep, they’re too busy talking about swamp people and Nazi Gold 😂
@Moldylocks8 ай бұрын
That doesn't say much at all. It's like saying to your wife, "there is poo that don't even come close to the quality of your cooking". It sounds sarcastic, and almost like there are still some poo that taste better.
@SuLokify8 ай бұрын
@@Moldylockslong ago, in the before times, the History channel was known for quality documentaries. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
@JohnSagin-SimViDeLucis5798 ай бұрын
@@AlwaysBolttheBird Fun Fact: Internet Historian is an extra terrestrial.
@informativem52488 ай бұрын
3 dudes wrote a program within 2 weeks in 1971. 53 years later we're still getting dysentery.
@RikouHogashi4 ай бұрын
IKR!
@DropbeardedАй бұрын
Not to mention writing it ON PAPER. Not being able to test my code immediately sounds like a nightmare, the folks back then were built different!
@robbiedecamp5023Ай бұрын
Lmao
@JohnRNewAccountNumber3Ай бұрын
Two men wrote a program for 10 days straight. This is what happened to children's intestines.
@ryanstewart444423 күн бұрын
I guessed 5 comments before a dysentery reference. I was wrong, it is one.
@ArchaeologyTube8 ай бұрын
As a teacher it’s just so completely heartwarming to see these guys talk about their genuine love of the practice. Teachers do that everyday - they just do stuff because they know it will help their students learn and it’s the most beautiful thing to help them do just that.
@JoJoTheOtter8 ай бұрын
I’m about 20 minutes into this, and it’s giving real “teacher comes rolling into class with the TV and VCR” vibes. And I love it.
@excrono8 ай бұрын
Then sits at their desk and starts grading reports.
@adventureoflinkmk28 ай бұрын
The TV and VCR cart was called a COW (Cart On Wheels) 😂
@JoJoTheOtter8 ай бұрын
@@adventureoflinkmk2 Then Moooove it on in here.
@FigureFarter8 ай бұрын
@@adventureoflinkmk2So that's what COW stood for. I thought they just called it that because it sounded cool as a kid
@WheeledHamster8 ай бұрын
Substitute teacher days.
@olezaku34698 ай бұрын
I have only the utmost respect for these men. As a kid in the 90s, we played the 1985 version of the game in our dinky little computer lab that once was a storage closet at my school. Naturally, my classmates and I adored it. And nowadays, I'm a Social Studies teacher who teaches 18th and 19th Century U.S. History, and I get to share the '85 game with my students each year. And most are still just as charmed by the game as I was, and it has always been a hit as a part of that unit's lessons. And, of course, I face constant requests to play it again the rest of the school year... and honestly, we do usually return to it since it's a great way to spend the last day or so of school as things are winding down and everyone's burnt out, haha. A fantastic documentary, can't wait to share it with the other teachers in our history department.
@elsiebartlett68088 ай бұрын
Not sure if you ever checked it out but our family got a “sequel” or rather spiritual successor called Yukon Trail that you might be interested in for your class 😊 Happy teaching!
@dancooper60028 ай бұрын
Not sure I can say the same. They made a good game sure, but the fact that they were trying to get out of fighting in Vietnam doesn't say much about their character.
@SuperPickle158 ай бұрын
@@dancooper6002 what sensible person wouldn't want to avoid being sent to a sham war only to be returned home broken and thrown aside like trash...
@dancooper60028 ай бұрын
@@SuperPickle15 Vietnam was not a "sham war" clearly you don't know your history. Much of why Vietnam vets were treated so poorly was thanks to the draft dodging scum which sat in the US and spat on them when they returned. Had they been sent as Shtraf like they should have been this wouldn't be a problem.
@JulieMarcum-zs1pz8 ай бұрын
I'm glad to know that teachers are still sharing this game with their students 🥰
@OzymandiasWasRight8 ай бұрын
Man these game designers/educators are about as adorable as it gets. These guys deserve a lot more recognition for what they gave the world. Im really happy this video was made. Theyre gaming heroes.
@ThatVSMBro8 ай бұрын
Adorable? These are scholars, smart pioneers not frail old ladies in hospice. Stop emasculating them
@JulieMarcum-zs1pz8 ай бұрын
Hundy P 🥰
@OzymandiasWasRight8 ай бұрын
@@ThatVSMBroStop whining.
@AbduCola2 ай бұрын
@@ThatVSMBrostop being gross and they are adorable
@ThatVSMBro2 ай бұрын
@@AbduCola I’m gross but you’re calling men adorable. Okay diddy
@kingnothing35238 ай бұрын
I did know that Oregon Trail was developed for use in the classroom. I *didn't* know that it was three student teachers crunching in a school building after hours because one said "I need a teaching tool for American westward expansion, and I need it in two weeks." That is damn impressive. These men are all a class act in both teaching and technology.
@PawlH8 ай бұрын
When my school got Apple II’s they’d give each class a chunk of time on Fridays to do whatever we wanted on them. There was 25-30 of them in the “computer room” and you’d see Oregon trail on every single one. Thanks for introducing us to the people who made it happen. It’s so cool to learn that the game we loved as kids was created by caring teachers and not soulless software mills.
@swallowedinthesea118 ай бұрын
'they’d give each class a chunk of time on Fridays to do whatever we wanted on them.' So the school allowed you to watch Pormhub?
@andynfb18 ай бұрын
I was in elementary from 1996-2001 and it was still like that every Friday at my school.
@DustyHoney8 ай бұрын
I wish this kind of thing had survived until now because I know I would love that
@keinlieb38188 ай бұрын
Yep, same in my elementary school in the 80s. Oregon trail and I remember another monster number eating game that taught math, but I can't remember the name.
@joutoob97 ай бұрын
Same, we also had some kind of spirograph program called LOGO that was popular.
@drew1248 ай бұрын
Mr. Dillenberger was a frequent substitute teacher of mine in middle school. He was one of the kindest most genuine people I've ever met! It's so cool to see you share this incredible story that hits so close to home!
@PsionicMonk8 ай бұрын
He seems like a treasure of a person from the video I'm glad to hear it from someone who has met him!
@drew1248 ай бұрын
@@PsionicMonk He really was. Always made class entertaining!
@mootbooxle8 ай бұрын
that’s wonderful to hear!
@andresbravo20038 ай бұрын
This should be Aired on PBS, but I loved this! Pretty much that Fans knew that the Game was a Labor of Love.
@InredibleMrH8 ай бұрын
There’s a different actually a different Oregon Trail documentary called Trailheads that aired on TPT, the Twin Cities’ PBS channel. It’s much shorter, but still fun.
@nobleartist18 ай бұрын
too good for PBS
@toferg.82648 ай бұрын
Indeed too good for PBS! Who watches PBS anymore?
@sorenpx8 ай бұрын
@@toferg.8264 Leftists.
@matthuckabey0078 ай бұрын
These guys, Paul Dillenberger , and Bill Heinemann are a true American heroes releasing the code for public consumption. They deserves more recognition for sure. Gaming Historian deserves kudos as well for bringing people like this to light.
@PiggyPorkchop8 ай бұрын
As a resident of the Twin Cities, it's an amazing surprise to hear a local story featured on this channel, great job covering it!
@GamingHistorian8 ай бұрын
Thank you! I made a few trips up to the area while making this video. Northfield is such a nice town.
@cosmicminun598 ай бұрын
Yeah, this one really hits close to home despite living in the west-central part of Minnesota next to the Red River of the North as well as right next to Fargo, North Dakota
@BlazeHeartPanther8 ай бұрын
Minnesota, HELL YEA!
@Iron-Van8 ай бұрын
Same I had no idea this all started about an hour away from me. I remember playing the PET version of OT
@drew1248 ай бұрын
Hits super close to home! Mr. Dillenberger used to substitute at my middle school.
@cgimovieman8 ай бұрын
As someone with degrees in broadcasting who worked in television for 18 years, and I truly do mean this as a compliment, I can’t believe how well made your videos are. They must take you a very long time to produce, and sometimes I don’t know where you come up with the images, video, or most importantly the detailed information. But your images are always very clear, your audio levels solid, and your interviews well done. As a person who grew up throughout the 80’s and 90’s, and grew up with Apple computers at home and school in the 80’s, Oregon Trail is something that’s engrained in my memory. I think some people who weren’t alive in the 80’s or even 90’s, have things with the “You have died of dysentery.” meme, but never even experienced the game in its heyday. That game, along with the Carmen Sandiego games, I swear comprised about 75% of any of the educational games I played growing up. It’s wild looking back today how simplistic they were in their look and design, but they really did serve a useful educational purpose. It’s too bad some more local wholesome companies like MECC were gobbled up by much bigger corporations. But I’m glad some of their games either still exist today, or even if they don’t, we still remember them so fondly.
@chrisd62878 ай бұрын
And Word/Number Munchers, and Spellevator! Thank you Apple II
@thejananigans4318 ай бұрын
Here here
@whiterabbit16328 ай бұрын
bass too high
@jays25518 ай бұрын
@@whiterabbit1632 then lower the dose you're giving them. they're fuckin fish dude, it's not 1:1 with humans on their tolerance for thc
@jayesun34208 ай бұрын
Your bass is too high lol
@DiestroCorleone8 ай бұрын
This has to be your magnum opus, to date. It's a literal masterpiece. The production value, the music, the interviews, editing, illustrations, script... And definitely, the most touching and emotional so far. Worth the wait.
@daakrolb8 ай бұрын
Oh wow were your emotions activated from a video about a video game???
@lunakid128 ай бұрын
@@daakrolbWhy on earth not? (Also, a different kind of emotion of yours was triggered by a comment about a video about a video game... And again: why should it not? Um, or rather: ???)
@Write-Stuff8 ай бұрын
@@lunakid12Don't feed the trolls, friend. These weirdos crawl out of the strangest places to make the most bizarre comments. You have to understand that you're trying to reason with someone who is mentally unstable. Thus, you're only wasting your own precious time.
@daakrolb8 ай бұрын
@@lunakid12 Mine wasn’t emotion. It was logic confronting emotion- the driving force of women, weakness, & evil.
@lunakid128 ай бұрын
@@daakrolb Ah, OK, sorry. Do you also fantasize about hurting people? I mean... like physically? Just wondering, nothing personal. Just for a data point.
@robertesensee34948 ай бұрын
Part of my beloved childhood. I am 53 and still consider this one of the greatest games of all time. The creators should have received more recognition both publicly and financially. They are true legends. Such an amazing video and I appreciate all your hard work in making this.
@RyanTreks8 ай бұрын
I'm 46 and I didn't play it until last year when my son was in 5th grade. My older brother remembers playing it in 5th grade but u never did. I have ADHD and teachers in the 80s were not very forgiving or understanding, so it was probably like one of those field trips I never got to go on. I played it last year a little when my son introduced it to me. It was hard for me to sit and play the whole game. So I stopped and let my son play. I would occasionally check in on him or help him if he had a question. After playing it several times he finally become approximately 8th place on the list of winners.
@pokehybridtrainer8 ай бұрын
Mattel really did the whole Embracer Group botching decades earlier. That aside... Gods I loved learning the original devs with their stories and getting the game out there. Played it as a little kid 30 years ago on an Apple 2, and beat it on a Macintosh. It helped me seek a career path to IT. Thanks for telling their story, Norm. Masterclass work.
@play_history8 ай бұрын
If there's any company that did the Embracer Group thing back then, it's Infogrames - later Atari SA. They expanded without a single thought to how it would all fit together in the end. The SoftKey takeovers were at least targeted on the educational and productivity markets. Something not mentioned here is that SoftKey actually gutted a huge percentage of staff from the companies they bought to reduce their overhead, so when Mattel bought The Learning Company it actually only had IP rather than much in the way of assets. It was a husk and would have been clear if they waited even a few more months to arrange the purchase.
@pokehybridtrainer8 ай бұрын
@@play_history Ohhhh, damn. I didn't know about The Learning Company being botched, but I remember Infogrames. It's why all those DBZ games had the Atari logo.
@stratking868 ай бұрын
Hearing them talk about not caring about their lack of payment, basically because "That's what heroes do." Legit got me choked up a bit.
@loldoctor8 ай бұрын
In some ways this mindset is mandatory for public school teachers.
@eaj6268 ай бұрын
@@loldoctorAs someone who worked briefly as a teacher, yes. You have to love the job, being selfless, and putting your students before yourself. Otherwise the stress and lack of pay will get to you. These guys seemed like they really cared, which is amazing to see.
@budderk13058 ай бұрын
too bad teachers are not being lauded as many of the other 'heroes' of our society, no they are even looked down upon
@DJReflect8 ай бұрын
Same. Actual heroic mentality.
@Trygon8 ай бұрын
@@Wis_Dom Do you really think those guys chasing their bag would have helped more people then freely disseminating their work to millions of kids did?
@pass_8 ай бұрын
fun fact: there are currently 349 games on the "list of video games considered the best" on Wikipedia and Oregon trail is the earliest
@GamingHistorian8 ай бұрын
You love to see it
@QJ898 ай бұрын
It's still kinda hard to verify that kind of claim on Wikipedia. But considering how it's so popular in American schools, I'll accept it.
@AndSaveAsManyAsYouCan8 ай бұрын
Where does Chrono Trigger fall on that list? Zelda II The Adventure of Link?
@johnnytimestamp82248 ай бұрын
@@AndSaveAsManyAsYouCan zelda 2? ewww
@AndSaveAsManyAsYouCan8 ай бұрын
@@johnnytimestamp8224 8th best selling NES game... most didn't say ewww...
@Louisrockefeller8 ай бұрын
The point about treating each of the 400 thousand brave men, women, and children who made the trek like a hero really resonated with me. We as a nation owe so much to these people who risked everything in the hope of a better life out west. What a well put together video! You’ve earned a subscriber from me!
@dansmith16612 ай бұрын
But they created California and it ended up as a failure. Not worth it.
@TrainerRed5198 ай бұрын
Me 26 and my father 52 both remember playing this game in grade school. It is a beautiful piece of art that truly connected generations
@billkendrick18 ай бұрын
Creator of Tux Paint here. I was in 5th & 6th grade between late 1985 and early 1987. My elementary school had a lab full of Apple IIe's, and we played a lot of Oregon Trail, Carmen San Diego, and other edutainment games (plus Logo), and I enjoyed attempting (and failing) to recreate those kind of games in BASIC in my Atari computer (which I still have and use to this day 👍). Excellent documentary video. Keep up the good work!!!
@LonelyKnightess8 ай бұрын
Googling Tux Paint out of curiosity just triggered so many core memories wtf was I adopted?
@andrewschroeder95028 ай бұрын
For a brief time, I taught computing at an elementary school. Your program was always a hit, especially with the pre-schooler's, 1st and 2nd Graders!
@billkendrick18 ай бұрын
@@andrewschroeder9502 Glad to hear it!!!
@joetheman748 ай бұрын
Are you still the maintainer of Tux Paint? Is it still maintained? My kids used Tux Paint and now my grandsons use Tux Paint. It doesn't seem to have had many new features added over the years. My youngest grandson who is 9 loves art and has a Wacom drawing tablet. He has progressed beyond Tux Paint's features but more advanced software like Krita is still too advanced for him. I had always hoped that one day Tux Paint would get some additional features to give it a bit more functionality for older kids. There really isn't anything else out there in between. Ever think about adding some (just slightly) more advanced features and capabilities? Even just a few more advanced or additional drawing tools? Just a thought. Well anyway thanks for your great software. My family certainly has gotten a lot of use from it. Discovered it when I started using Linux in the early 2000's. Tux Paint is installed on both my grandsons Windows machines right now and even on my laptop for drawing time with my grandson. (Running ONLY Linux of course)
@billkendrick18 ай бұрын
@@joetheman74 Yeah, still lead developer and we're still adding features. We had for releases in the last 12 months! ( And almost 10 releases since things picked back up in 2020.) People joke we should add layers, which we almost definitely will *not*. However, with clever use of Templates (which you can now create right inside Tux Paint) and the Eraser tool, there are some really neat things you can do. I'm constantly adding artwork to a new gallery on the website, and there are some incredible examples of what Tux Paint can do found in there. I also recently interviewed a bunch of artists & posted those to the website. Thanks!
@betterinsodapop8 ай бұрын
My entire generation owes so much to the trio of Dillenberger, Heinemann, and Bouchard. I only wish this trio got more recognition for their massive contribution. Excellent and inspiring documentary.
@jayesun34208 ай бұрын
Agreed
@BladedEdge6 ай бұрын
Took me a bit to realize this was a different Bill (Rebecca) Heineman than the one from Interplay
@Climacticc_Chaos6 ай бұрын
They do now. Thanks to the Gaming Historian.
@betterinsodapop6 ай бұрын
@@Climacticc_Chaos Indeed!
@ranchdressing10374 ай бұрын
Don't include us.. you might be well off thanks to dos games.. the rest of us are in hell on earth.
@jpreale7 ай бұрын
Beautiful. What an example of how unpredictable the world can be, and how sometimes just your daily commitment to doing good can have incredibly far reaching impact. The world turns on the efforts of people like these.
@GamingHistorian5 ай бұрын
I agree 100%. Thank you so much for the donation!
@TheHairyNord8 ай бұрын
Thank you for the amazing upload and talking about this nostalgic game. I know it means a lot to a lot of your viewers.
@GamingHistorian8 ай бұрын
You're welcome and thank you for the donation!
@jeffpilkington74808 ай бұрын
Oregon Trail in the video game hall of fame is a no brainer, but how was it not included in the introductory class is mind boggling. It’s the educational game, it’s the standard that all other educational games should stride for and be judged by
@eatassonthefirstdate8 ай бұрын
dude no joke, that game shoulda went in when the first Mario n Zelda games went into it.
@thecatherd8 ай бұрын
I love that you were able to get interviews with the original developers of The Oregon Trail for this. You can tell by how they talk, just how much joy they have for the success of their pet project. Wonderful documentary.
@dancooper60028 ай бұрын
luke5100They were not "servants of society" they were a bunch of draft dodgers.
@SpideyCU8 ай бұрын
I've always enjoyed your documentaries, but I've come to appreciate them even more after viewing some "professional" video game documentaries on other streaming services and realizing how much better structured yours tend to be. You really knocked it out of the park with this one. I normally don't get emotional with these types of documentaries, but you included the heart in addition to the facts. Thank you so much for this.
@GamingHistorian5 ай бұрын
I appreciate the donation and the kind words, thank you!
@ultimateman558 ай бұрын
Only 7 minutes into this and already the production values and interviews are off the charts! Absolutely top tier stuff. So glad we have Gaming Historian!
@samus2508 ай бұрын
Outstanding documentary. Thank you so much for the continued years of excellent and enriching education.
@GamingHistorian8 ай бұрын
That is extremely generous. Thank you for the donation and I'm glad you enjoyed the doc!
@dajosh420698 ай бұрын
Seriously though... Oregon Trail 2 was amazing. With real people pictures, real voices, random trading, hunting, foraging, making sure you had sufficient supplies...all of it. You could customize your entire party, their jobs before joining your party. It was just a really cool, really fun game. Being born in '85, I never played the original, but it was certainly a very well known part of pop culture. Just started the video, but...eager to hear about this. 😁😁
@sonoftheredfox8 ай бұрын
After watching this I want to go and find a copy of al the newer versions and play through them, since I only played the Apple II versions.
@dajosh420698 ай бұрын
Most modern rigs can't run OT2, but if you _CAN_ find and run a copy (I think there are free copies out there) I would highly recommend OT2. 😁
@dajosh420698 ай бұрын
@justmeherethereandeverywhere Actually, none of my schools had any computers that I used until I got into middle school (6th-8th). And even then, I didn't end up playing it in school. My family wound up getting a computer through my uncle. A "Power Mac", and I guess my parents bought the game, because I always remember it being around. That and Civilization II. And "The Logical Journey of the Zoombinis". lol I never used, or played on ANY Apple II's anywhere in my school systems, which were in mid texas, in the first couple grades, and Las Vegas for the everything 3-12.
@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments8 ай бұрын
@@dajosh42069They might not be able to play it natively but it's playable in some forms. It's playable on the website (seriously the first result when you type Oregon Trail 2) and also playable thanks to software like PCem that can emulate old PCs.
@webjoeking8 ай бұрын
Too bad they didn’t put any loot boxes you had to pay with real money, they would have Carleton College named after them by now…
@bertcastelain7 ай бұрын
Pure Netflix quality right here. Awesome video that taught me, as a European, what the whole Oregon trail hype is all about. We didn't get to play it over here obviously
@indyracingnut8 ай бұрын
Just the fact Prince was part of the history of The Oregon Trail is in itself legendary...How cool was that??
@jpreale7 ай бұрын
My brain and heart tuned to water at that casual revelation. The world sometimes contains unspeakable cruelties, but I like to believe (and I do believe it) that the most important parts are the shocking beauties of life. This is one of them.
@PeperonyChease5 ай бұрын
He didn't even say he played it just that he was a student at the school.
@bredenis58 ай бұрын
"When you're an educator, you're encouraged to write and publish. Paul and Bill and I, when you get right down to it, we were teachers. We have the teacher mentality. And so to get rich off of this would have been nice, but not as important as having donated something to the world of education" -Don Rawitsch This really warmed my heart. My God, if this quote doesn't embody the true altruistic nature and spirit of an educator, I don't know what would. No one would blame these guys if they were bitter or restful for having their original game modified and sold for profit to the extent of making OTHERS rich, but these gentleman are not only magnanimous about that fact but they are just happy that their inspiration was able to teach millions across the world. Isn't that just truly beautiful? THAT, my friends, is a teacher.
@tsriftsal35818 ай бұрын
Pretty sure the kids today would call this "cope".
@agiar20008 ай бұрын
1:16:08
@fnoigy8 ай бұрын
Sorry, but this mentality was specifically manufactured by the slimy rich scumbags to more easily steal ideas and get rich off other peoples' work. This is like the badge of pride working 80 hours a week for 30 years for somebody else. These dudes should have absolutely gotten rich from their hard work, and been given the freedom to do whatever they liked, including have tons of resources to innovate and make tons of new games and ideas, instead of some corporate executives making hundreds of millions, then running it all into the ground.
@ChristopherAndersonPirate8 ай бұрын
@@tsriftsal3581 yeah it makes me sad that they never got any residuals or anything, but it was a different time back then.
@anjetto18 ай бұрын
Almost like their attitude is a direct refutation of capitalism and its base arguments.
@alexandert92558 ай бұрын
I’ve been on KZbin since its inception and I’ve never commented on a video until today. Just have to say that your videos are outstanding. Super insightful and well put together. It’s always a treat when I see a new one pop up on my feed. Thank you for all the work you put into them, it does not go unnoticed! Oregon Trail was one of my favorite games growing up. It was such a fun surprise when we had the chance to load it up in our computer lab and play on the Apple IIs. It’s fun to see the story behind it!
@noneofyourbusiness46168 ай бұрын
I look forward to your next comment in 20 years.
@eazy2klean8 ай бұрын
Ain’t no way that’s true🤣🤣 if you think THIS is the video that needs your sacred comment that’s been trapped in the dungeon since 2005 then you must have been watching the wrong videos😭 there are way better videos then this one😂 (No hate this video still good)
@henrybierman84318 ай бұрын
@@eazy2kleancoming from a guy who uses emojis
@eazy2klean8 ай бұрын
@@henrybierman8431 oh you’re so sophisticated mister🤣
@PsionicMonk8 ай бұрын
You must have an older account you don't use since KZbin itself says your account is 12 years old, so 2012. KZbin started in 2006.
@prettypic4444 ай бұрын
I really hope these guys know how much their work is cherished. Multiple generations of students still love their game. I remember “racing” my friends to Oregon and naming our party members after each other
@jesseleesamples8 ай бұрын
The 3 fellas that made the game seem like the sweetest and most genuinely kind old men imaginable. True selfless heroes in video game history that haven’t gotten enough recognition, but I think this amazingly well done video will do a lot to help with that now.
@OlafI8 ай бұрын
It’s been 85 years and I’ve never lost hope for another upload. In all seriousness; this is fantastic work!
@jwallner848 ай бұрын
First time I've donated money for a KZbin video. Simply well done, well worth the wait.
@GamingHistorian5 ай бұрын
That's very kind of you, thanks!
@LonnieLawless2 ай бұрын
"We were not creating the program to be entrepreneurs, we were just trying to do good teaching." Amen, you brought so much information, realism and joy to so many of us as school children. Traversing the river at the end properly was so rewarding.
@TheWonderStraw8 ай бұрын
I have a feeling that if you went to elementary school in the USA during the 90's you most likely know this game. I played it many hundreds of times. From an Apple II E, to a Macintosh, to the I-Mac. so many core memories unlocked Thanks very much for this video :)
@GamingHistorian8 ай бұрын
It was a staple in the computer lab at my elementary school. Appreciate the comment!
@0neDoomedSpaceMarine8 ай бұрын
Many generations of people played it, in the 80s and 70s too.
@Sweeptheleg838 ай бұрын
Yup. We also had it on my Grandmother's computer so I also played it at home.
@programmer4378 ай бұрын
BROOO the production quality this time was unreal. This was an extremely professional documentary.
@mwolkove8 ай бұрын
A few years ago i tried playing the Oregon trail card game with some friends. The first card i picked was "you have died of dysentery". Man that brought back memories.
@numba_25528 ай бұрын
This made me tear up. I played old MECC games as a VERY young child, and Oregon Trail was always the top tier, well ahead of Word/Number Munchers. Great upload. Keep em coming❤
@kalifogg66107 ай бұрын
We had the Munchers games when I was really young. I want to see a remake of them as they were fun to play and the animations were fun to watch.
@angryw4nderer7 ай бұрын
I had forgotten about muncher game till you mentioned it, thanks😊
@WrestlingWithGaming8 ай бұрын
Keeping up on the updates on your Patreon and seeing this project take shape over the last year or so has been fun and fascinating. I already watched it on Patreon but it was so good I'm watching it a second time right now. You're all in for a treat. The 90 minutes will fly by. Incredible job with this one, Norm. You should be very proud of it.
@MentalLiberation8 ай бұрын
Hey, I know that guy. He just dropped a great video on the Game Boy. Quality KZbin channels? I'm here for it!
@TehPwnographer8 ай бұрын
I watch his SMB3 video at least once a year, it always lifts my spirits!
@robertstitches95178 ай бұрын
Just watched your Great Game boy video today, and now I've watched this! KZbin creators are killing it right now
@WrestlingWithGaming8 ай бұрын
@@robertstitches9517 thanks!
@wasmadeinthe80s8 ай бұрын
Projects like this is why I will never stop supporting you on Patreon. You are extremely talented Norm and you're way of telling stories and explaining the history of games, accessories, and anything else you can think of is second to none. I hope all is going well for you in life and that you and your family are doing well. Looking forward to many more years of videos.
@clintonsmith82158 ай бұрын
Absolutely insane that this level of documentary is available for free on KZbin. OT is one of the first video games I remember playing. Incredible work, thank you.
@evergreenartifact5158 ай бұрын
You’ve outdone yourself with this one! It’s well made, entertaining, and informative. Yours is a KZbin channel that will have relevance for decades to come.
@GamingHistorian5 ай бұрын
I appreciate that, thank you very much!
@stuckin20038 ай бұрын
I grew up in Minnesota in the late 80s, so MECC floppies were always part of my grade school education. Totally had no idea Oregon Trail (and Word Munchers!) were already being used around the country by that point! Growing up on the Apple II version, it's so fascinating to learn the evolution and process of the game. Thanks so much.
@jerve998 ай бұрын
Same here. The moment I saw the first pic of that MECC-wrapped floppy I was instantly back in the Apple II lab
@IronSwish7778 ай бұрын
When I hear your narration, I can’t help but remember “The Wonder Years” show. The Oregon Trail is one of my favorite games from my youth; I still remember having to flip the disc on our old Apple II when you reached Fort Laramie. The thrill of rafting down the Columbia River. The anxiety that comes when your food is running low, you’re down to your last 10 bullets, and winter is starting to creep up on you. The “alert” sound in Oregon Trail 2 still haunts me to this day. Naming your wagon party after your parents and siblings at the age of 7 sounds like a great idea… until your mom drowns in a river, your brother gets lost wandering off from the wagon, and your sister dies of cholera. Then it’s just traumatic. 🤣 Plus, with our Royals FINALLY looking like a winning franchise again, I hope that has you as stoked as I am for this season. Thanks for all of the great videos of the year! Your passion and dedication to your craft is unmatched. Looking forward to more content in the future.
@garapueto968 ай бұрын
There was never enough time in class to finish the game. One day, my friend and I shut off the monitor, but not the computer. Later that day, we both snuck out of class, went to the computer lab, and finished the game. We could finally say we beat Oregon Trail!
@grantdeisig13608 ай бұрын
Our computer lab teacher would never give us any (or not enough) time to even play it, but it was what all my classmates would talk about. I think she was against gaming.
@queerdor8 ай бұрын
I remember having a class floppy disk to save my progress. Did you not get that?
@timmyotoole73128 ай бұрын
Has dysentery...
@OneRudeBoy8 ай бұрын
@@timmyotoole7312💩💨 😭🤣💀
@mariatelos8 ай бұрын
If you were lucky, you found save files on the computer that were further ahead than you were. I used those to "beat" the game as a kid.
@CoOzEbOy18 ай бұрын
The addition of the names was brilliant. Makes it a way more personal experience.
@dustintaub8 ай бұрын
I like the interview with Philip Bouchard, he really does a great job of describing the game design ideas and brainstorming behind the version that his team worked on and expanded on. This is the version I grew up playing and loved.
@novelezra8 ай бұрын
Holy crap, Norm is just improving 10 fold with every episode. How can anyone moan about the wait when the result is of this quality? The mood set in the first few moments was enough.
@warwagon8 ай бұрын
TRUTH!
@i407tv8 ай бұрын
My first thought was how in the world are we going to get an hour and a half worth of Oregon Trail and after watching the video I felt that wasn't enough and I wanted more! Absolutely a phenomenal documentary!
@theminer49erz7 ай бұрын
Fantastic work man as usual. I really appreciate it. I look forward to the next one. It may not quite be old enough yet(2006/7), but the STALKER series is a strange and interesting "scene". The mods are never-ending even to this day. 2 is about to release finally in September if everything goes well, but many if its fans haven't stopped playong the originals and or the many, including extremely impressive standalone mods from around the world. Just a suggestion. Maybe down the road, it will be a heck of an investigatio! Be safe and stay chiki briki😁
@GamingHistorian5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the donation. I remember when STALKER came out - my computer wasn't good enough to play it! That feels like a long time ago.
@carlosfranceschy94288 ай бұрын
These are Educators through and through. It’s not about making bank, it’s about helping others. Fantastic video, thank you so much for it
@michaelkeller59278 ай бұрын
They're also humble enough to accept feedback. When they were told there are aspects that could be offensive, they changed it so it wouldn't exclude anyone. They wanted everyone to enjoy this as the good guys
@Bajamamut8 ай бұрын
"When I was your age, we died of disentery crossing the Oregon Trail, And We Liked It!" Definitely one of the best pieces of software ever created. Thanks for all your time and effort.
@staffstaff38468 ай бұрын
😂
@porterjones60228 ай бұрын
I did not expect to get so emotional watching a video on The Oregon Trail. Seriously, it was such a pleasure listening to these humble men just talking about how they wanted to make learning fun for kids using their talents. I'm glad they've gotten recognition for their achievements, because they themselves ended up making history too. Thank you so much for this beautiful video! I have great memories of playing this in the early 2000s with my siblings.
@RevelationNone8 ай бұрын
Same. I almost cried remembering my youth and this game
@Modulater838 ай бұрын
Same here. In my 40s, this video brought back a flood of elementary school memories playing this game on an Apple IIe. Such a foundational stone in my love of computers and games. Grateful for it.
@gausssto5706 ай бұрын
Absolutely phenomenal! A benchmark for gaming documentaries, or even documentaries in general. This is inspirational. Thank you for the effort this must have taken. You have mastered your craft.
@GamingHistorian5 ай бұрын
Very kind words, thank you for the donation!
@Krankitopia8 ай бұрын
I am always blown away by the quality of these videos. I find my self saying "do I really wanna watch an hour and a half about Oregon Trail?" Yes, yes I do. These are some of the best flowing docs I've seen. I absolutely love them.
@wstine798 ай бұрын
Everyone is a gangster until they get bit by a rattlesnake and catch dysentery on the Oregon Trail.
@DrunkenHotei8 ай бұрын
@@GombySprangster That sentence is a work of art.
@msplendor8 ай бұрын
Gangster has dysentery. Gangster has died.
@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing8 ай бұрын
Greetings from the Willamette Valley of Portland Oregon, April 12th 2024. Things haven't changed much. I'm currently in line at a Vietnamese noodle joint on Southeast 82nd Avenue. A Pho Queue. This, too, can kill you from dysentery.
@Iron-Van8 ай бұрын
Facts
@mgmx20998 ай бұрын
I remember playing the Apple 2 version in primary school. No one really showed us how to play so everyone were buffalo hunting bankers.
@kevinsiver47808 ай бұрын
To be able to encapsulate just how much this educational game meant to me during my formative years, especially during elementary school, would be a difficult task. So, I'll keep it relatively simple in that the Oregon Trail really gave me a sense of the perils that so many people faced in trying to reach the west coast. People would probably laugh at the simplicity of the game now, but at the time, when you lost one of your companions or sank into a river, it was a major bummer. Succeeding in the journey really meant something and I wish that more games gave that same feeling of satisfaction nowadays. Thanks to great educators that wanted to make a better way to teach kids like me, this game really impacted my youth and, I still play it on this very computer today. With that being said, I really appreciate this latest installment of Gaming Historian and everything that went into making it. Thanks Norm, you are the gold-standard in the story-telling of gaming history.
@Gh0sTlyD3th3 ай бұрын
This is quite possibly one of the biggest things I've seen all year. Its about time someone did a documentary on The Oregon Trail. Its a game that made so many of us want to learn how to use a computer. I was one of those kids in my 1988/89 school year that got to try out Oregon Trail on an Apple II. It was so engaging. I was very young, maybe 8 or 9. Thank you for this. The world needed this.
@sonoftheredfox8 ай бұрын
I'm 20 minutes into watching this, but I had to stop and go ahead and comment. This game did so many things for me as a kid in elementary school in the early 1980s. Mostly, it got me hooked on computer gaming and it put a deep love of history into my soul that has never subsided. I started off on the Apple II port but when the 1985 version came out there was always a battle between us when we went to the library to get the computers with color monitors. If I ever get dysentery, I I can handle it because I've died so many times from it already.
@JohnRiggs8 ай бұрын
Can I just note that every other documentarian would do this on Kickstarter, release the DVD and blu-ray, tour it at video game conventions... Gaming Historian does all the work and posts it on KZbin for free. Norm rules.
@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments8 ай бұрын
They would also interview random popular content creators to be in it (even if those creators barely have any experience with the title) and then get them to shill the documentary on their channels.
@boxerblake18 ай бұрын
He gets paid for it through ads & crowdfunding
@tsriftsal35818 ай бұрын
@@boxerblake1and satisfaction
@csrjjsmp8 ай бұрын
New to KZbin, huh? Welcome! Hope you enjoy the website!
@JudeKane7 ай бұрын
John Riggs attends retrogamecon regularly. Norm can too!
@helamsirrine8 ай бұрын
My daughter is learning about the pioneer westward expansion in school right now, so the timing on this video is perfect.
@JulieMarcum-zs1pz8 ай бұрын
Oregon Trail was such a happy part of my childhood. It was definitely my favorite thing to do in elementary school. I wish I could thank the creators. They may not have gotten rich, but they enriched the lives of so many children 💜
@thebuffmister908 ай бұрын
We don't deserve channels like this. Another brilliant and insightful documentary. Thank you Norman.
@alankingchiu8 ай бұрын
I am not sure how educational Oregon Trail was, but man was it fun to put your friend’s names in the game and laugh when their avatar died of dysentery.
@N_g_er8 ай бұрын
I'm rock hard baby! Waited way too long 🎉
@MarquisDeSang8 ай бұрын
Here in Quebec we have no history, so we played 3D Sports Driving in class.
@e8ghtmileshigh18 ай бұрын
@@MarquisDeSangyou got cheese and syrum shacks
@matthewlister37558 ай бұрын
I played this game as it was intended: By buying nothing but ammo and hunting all the time. I bagged 452 pounds of meat but I can only carry 5 pounds back in my wagon? I'm behaving just like the pioneers! This game is historically accurate!
@JoshMaybin8 ай бұрын
I'd use smash Bros characters
@Ilix428 ай бұрын
I played this back in 80’s. We also played Odell Lake and a life sim game where you planted different trees. All in glorious green and black.
@Shin_Lona8 ай бұрын
People sleep on Odell Lake, but that was the jam.
@internet_introvert8 ай бұрын
Odell Lake taught me to fear otters.
@Ilix428 ай бұрын
@@internet_introvert And Osprey. D: There was a color version with a UI and everything that I played later, Odell Down Under. You swam around a reef looking for food based on your fish type and avoiding predators.
@jodosh8 ай бұрын
@@Ilix42 Oh man Odell Down under was such a great version. Learning what an osprey was by selecting "swim shallow" and seeing the talons pick me up is still stuck in my brain some 30 years latter.
@LazarusStr7 ай бұрын
Thank you for creating this video! 🥰 I am 43 and remember playing the 1980s version of the game when attending elementary school. After learning about the history and the men who commenced the beginning of this historical game, I appreicate it even more ❤❤ True innovators of their time 👏🏾 🌹 👏🏾 🌹 👏🏾
@Valecene8 ай бұрын
I was an elementary schooler in The Dalles, OR in the mid/late 80s, and I remember thinking naively that this game was made especially for us because our town was the end goal of the game.
@gregdubya19938 ай бұрын
That's kind of endearing. Thanks for sharing.
@princesspikachu39158 ай бұрын
Kinda was if you think about it.
@daniellebackus8198 ай бұрын
@luke5100as a transplant to Hillsboro, OR from Kansas City, which was also a very important stop on the Oregon Trail, I get a thrill from realizing I completed my own Oregon Trail of sorts to get here. And I definitely played a lot of Oregon Trail in elementary school.
@Miss_Trillium2 ай бұрын
As a kid who went through the public school system in the early 2000s, I felt the same way I'm so glad that Gaming History pronounced Oregon correctly as well
@scotf.58938 ай бұрын
Regardless of how advanced and spectacular modern games become, Oregon Trail will remain one of my favorite games of all time. So many childhood memories. Thanks for covering the history of this game.
@Heather-Br8 ай бұрын
My two favorite games at school were Oregon Trail and Where In the World Is Carmen Tan Diego. Both taut geography and history, if you read the text.
@Techguyericd8 ай бұрын
my daughter is 6 and she loves her Nintendo switch, i went to see if there was a version for the switch (or PC) and there is but it looks so different, i wish i still had my older PC's and my copy of Oregon Trail for Windows so i could show her the good version of the game LOL
@GetYourBeaks8 ай бұрын
@@Techguyericd You can find it to play online in your browser if you search for it, it's the classic DOS version though. Not sure if I'm allowed to post the link here. Also the new version of Oregon Trail is actually a good game. Def wait for a sale but it's got a ton of content and new mechanics while still feeling like what we grew up with. Idk how it runs on Switch but it should be fine since it was originally a mobile game.
@xKingReyx8 ай бұрын
WE FORDIN' ACROSS THE RIVER WITH THIS ONE!
@k22kk22k2 ай бұрын
One of the best game documentaries I’ve ever watched.
@GamingHistorian2 ай бұрын
Thank you for the kind words!
@airyokama8 ай бұрын
When I was a teacher, I used to have my students play Oregon Trail as an alternate way to learn about the westward expansion and had them do a creative writing assignment of having kids pretend they were in the wagon, experiencing everything. They were stoked to play video games during school, permitted by a teacher, hahaha.
@dobbersanchez11858 ай бұрын
They should do one where they learn about spreading small pox to the indigenous populations, then they could understand the reality that underlies this colonial glorification.
@jonbourgoin1828 ай бұрын
@@dobbersanchez1185 would you like to poop on this party any further or do you think that's enough Edit: nvm I read your other comments on this video and already got my answer.
@howHumam8 ай бұрын
I was a student with a similar experience. I played as a merchant hunter, perfected the balance between ammunition and luck for years. As an adult, I know about money...
@YTKeepsDeletingAllMyComments8 ай бұрын
@@dobbersanchez1185 These are very real topics that should be taught but you come off like an angry contrarian, being oppositional just because you can. Like someone that would yell into the face of someone having a great Thanksgiving "bUt WhAt AbOuT tHe SuFfErInG oF tHe NaTiVe pEoPlE !?" Like someone that doesn't want others to be happy and will do anything to shit on their fun. Who hurt you, why are you like this ? I mean it, I always wonder why people are assholes. Even when I'm bitter and resentful towards people (and I am) I still cannot bring myself to be such a jerk. Though it is funny seeing someone so triggered by a video game. Getting yourself worked up over nothing.
My parents own a nursery school, and they keep an Apple Performa 580 in the classroom for five year olds, specifically to play Oregon Trail. Most of them like hunting, but every year there's at least one student (again, five years old) who actually plans their journey and beats the game, to the amazement of their peers. It's a wonderful game.
@ADAMNATOR8 ай бұрын
AMAZING premise for this one. Can't wait to hear the history of the game where I gave all my elementary school friends dysentery, and I'm not remotely kidding.
@jakejaeric4 ай бұрын
What a fantastic video. I used to play Oregon Trail when I was a kid at school in the computer lab in Brainerd Minnesota. It's so great to now know that it was just a game started by 3 people who only wanted to help students learn in a more creative way. Just warms my heart.
@hardcoreep8 ай бұрын
Welcome back. Played this in high school in Jamaica. This needs to be on Netflix.
@CalebSpronk8 ай бұрын
Minnesotan born and raised (granted, SW rural MN), and an avid fan of Video Games, I truly cannot say how amazing this video was for me to watch. I literally started sharing with my closest friends just 3 minutes into watching it. I had no idea Minneapolis was the epicenter of one of my childhood experiences that were so universal country wide. I cannot thank you enough for such a good job done 😍
@EATSxBABIES8 ай бұрын
Can we all take a moment to appreciate the fact that a positive impact of GOOD teachers was so powerful, it created more good teachers who would create one of the most timeless education games ever invented. I wish we could all be so lucky to have such kind and talented teachers. I think I had maybe 2 good teachers in all of middle-high school.
@AngusRocker228 ай бұрын
You knocked it out of the park again. Great topic! Really cool interviews with the creators. Unparalleled quality in this space!
@matthewlister37558 ай бұрын
The Prince/Oregon Trail connection is nuts. It's extra cool because Prince really embraced technology, as his work with programming the Linn drum machine was groundbreaking at the time. I'm wondering if this influenced Prince at all, at least in terms of seeing how technology could help you accomplish certain goals. That's probably a reach, but it's fun to think that we both grew up lamenting the fact that we died of dysentery.
@hockeyinalabama8 ай бұрын
An hour and a half on the history of the Oregon Trail game - not all heroes wear capes.
@fatalfencer8 ай бұрын
This has to be one of my top 5 documentaries on youtube. You really did a great job on this one!
@azurie058 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this excellent video Norm! The production quality here is on par with documentaries that aired on national channels , and you let people watch it for free! Prompted me to give the MS-DOS version a try as I'd never heard of The Oregon Trail before (I'm not from the States). I managed to get to Oregon on my first run, although one of my party member died of measles or cholera 😅. The game also taught me a lot about the arduous westward emigration people undertook during that period in American history. It's surprisingly entertaining for a game made with educational purpose from the 80s. Truly aged like fine wine. Now I can see why it is beloved by so many American generations. 10/10 absolutely would play it again!
@abdelali92798 ай бұрын
After almost a year and I thought this channel was over but this feature length documentary is really worth the wait. I am not from the US but I remember LGR reviewing the handheld version and I found that on a thrift store years later and tbh this game even though it was old, was very captivating I might not have completed the journey but still I can see why people and kids got so interested on it and to learn the real life story of the event.
@LocalAitch8 ай бұрын
You are one of the greatest documentarians on KZbin. This is easily broadcast quality, and would not seem out of place if it aired on History Channel as a two or three part miniseries.
@nihilisticadventure8 ай бұрын
Every time I hold a funeral for the gaming historian, he comes back with his best Lazarus impression
@SaraBlade8 ай бұрын
The League of Historians will never die as long as the pit exists
@pietermonnier7 ай бұрын
Wonderful job! Much success to you in the future. 🍻
@GamingHistorian5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the donation! I appreciate it
@Cyril29a8 ай бұрын
2:32 when he looks at the camera and smiles speaks volumes about the kind of man he is
@Jared_Wignall8 ай бұрын
Oregon Trail is such a classic game. I remember playing it in elementary school. It’s one of the few educational games that’s actually fun. Thank you for the video man, you always have such quality work in everything you make. Keep up the great work and take care!
@CarletonTorpin8 ай бұрын
I said an expletive, aloud, when I saw a new Gaming Historian video pop up on my feed. I'm so excited to watch this!
@devincordova53587 ай бұрын
Oregonian here, thank you for bringing all this up, loved the video!❤