The Story of War Crimes [Lore]

War Crimes is a new novel written by Christie Golden and it tells the story of Garrosh and his trial in Pandaria. In my opinion it's a great book, definitely worth your time, and I hope I did it justice!
What say you to these charges, Garrosh Hellscream?!
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[@foxtrotwhiskey6651]

Theres nothing like bonding with family over tea while discussing how to assassinate a Warchief....

[@wouju9600]

Mentelpe Jenkins "Ah jimmy, i haven't seen you for a while. Want to assasinate the warchief?"

[@madcat789]

4:41 Garrosh Hellscream, Warchief of the Sarcastic-Sass Clan.

[@nicholasnilantha4416]

LLLLLOOOOOLLLL!!!!!

[@nicholasnilantha4416]

Fuck u bitch ,dont you know how hellscream is so awesome

[@arthurvandelay4225]

+madcat789 Unfortunately the quote was verbatim, the books dialog really is that bad.

[@pizzarelaguy]

>strongest mage in the world gets shot with bullet >then MOTHERFUCKING VELEN and THRALL almost fail to heal her Yeah,i'm using guns from now on.

[@paulstaker8861]

Lol roll hunter hunter > mage

[@bindair_dundat]

It is entirely possible that Kairoz tricked Wrathion. He could have shown him a possible future drastic event and persuaded him that it can be prevented by saving Garrosh. Wrathion is still just a child with great determination. Easy to manipulate.

[@madcat789]

I kinda wonder what would've happened if Garrosh had said that he had regretted Everything. Failing his father, his Warsong Clan, The Horde, Baine, his teacher Thrall but most of all, failing Zaela, his one and only love. He failed her by leading her down this dark path.

[@king_pinmax7189]

You forgetting garrosh is a giant douche

[@madcat789]

@@king_pinmax7189 nah

[@LeoUchiha812]

Vereesa and Sylvanas' bond was a cute story, up to the point where you learn that Sylvanas' ideas of her sister joining her involved murdering her in her sleep and raising her as a Forsaken. I'm actually seeing Sylvanas as a villain in the future, though an undead rebellion and a reformation of the Scourge might be too similar to the whole Horde segregation that has just happened and is still happening.

[@NavyPheonix]

Not to mention people probably wouldn't be happy about retaking Undercity AGAIN.

[@csisolate]

I don't think Sylvanas will be killed off, but probably a scenario, or event where we have to make her come to her senses. If Sylvanas dies, then so does the entire Forsaken race, so players wouldn't be able to play as Forsaken anymore, so it would mess a lot of things up and wouldn't make sense. Also it would piss a lot of people off if she were to die off. First Cairne, then Garrosh, now Sylvanas? Just eliminate the entire Horde then.

[@charaus]

yeah, if sylvanas is used as a boss sometime in the future, i will literally quit the game i play forsaken, and care about the lore, and sympathize with the race in general, and i have no problem spinning better yarns myself than the garbage that sylvanas was rattling off in silverpine after the cataclysm revamp about "staking a claim" or "enforcing their will" or whatever the lines were. silly as james bond villain lines it would have been very easy to make their campaign against gilneas appear more defensive, because there were, after all, ravening worgen (some were tough elites if i remember corrrectly) terrorizing forsaken lowbies and silverpine for six years before arugal, and then glineas, were eventually rooted out. and what the hell was the alliance doing in andorhal? they have no claim to any of the territory in lordaeron, the forsaken were all born there, and died there, lordaeron is their home, and the home of the families, they aren't "occupying" lordaeron though if you read the short story that blizzard published on the website, it does seem as though Garrosh was playing the hawk when the Greymane wall split open, and that he intended to use the forsaken as cannon fodder, and that sylvanas deployed the plague to conserve her troops and bring the campaign to a swift, decisive end, during the worgen starting quests, the forsaken campaign against gilneas is portrayed as this power-mad campaign of genocidal death or whatever I had better not log in one day and find out that the faction I play every month is basically just a villain factory for LOTR fanboys to fight against, and that it doesn't actually have a point of view about anything that matters the game will stop being fun and I will literally quit I'm already pissed that Orgrim Doomhammer is basically going to be used as cannon fodder in WOD from what I hear, that he's given lip-service briefly only to be killed off in some stupid way to quickly raise the stakes in the story or whatever if there's any character that deserves an awesome little online short and a badass in-game cinematic, it's the original wielder of Thrall's weapon of choice but nope, apparently not

[@marcoswillianl]

charaus I hope i fight sylvannas as a boss, you can quit if you want.

[@charaus]

marcoswillianl You mean I have your permission? Gee, thanks mister! You're an okay guy!

[@mysteriouspathfinder]

Just finished the book! Never have I been indulged in such reading! As someone who works in a public defense office, I can feel the weight on Baine's part. Even though the accused had clearly been involved in a crime, still, he is given a right to be defended. From the start to end, the ride is like a roller coaster of emotions. Each day of trial is filled with remarkable parts where the reader can imagine the told past events even without playing the game or reading the other related books. My favorite parts are those with Anduin, especially with Wrathion (the dragon prince even wished for the blonde prince to ferry him and explore places) and Garrosh (that part where, like stated in the vid, the orc compared the Prince to the fallen Lich King). Overall, it's a must read book! Thank you for this summary.

[@moonrazor2039]

You forgot to add one of the coolest parts, the ending coversation with Kairoz and Garrosh on Draenor. That bit where the Warsong shouted for Grommash Hellscream was awesome.

[@ChrisSmith-bb1dq]

Wrathion, creating the Iron horde, will create yet another conflict for Azeroth. He is doing this because azeroth isnt ready for the final conflict with the Burning Legion. He is trying to make azeroth stronger through feeding the flames of conflict. So that when the time comes the heroes of azeroth will be strong enough to defeat the burning legion.

[@AnimetionArt0]

Except that makes one of his choices strange. He wanted Varian to kill Vol'jin and dismantle the horde so that only one major power would be in azeroth.

[@DrCornelius]

in other words Wrathion is creating expansions for us to level and legendaries for us to raid because our stats suck

[@Maximara]

AnimetionArt0 One has to remember that Wrathion is for all intents _a child_ and he really doesn't understand the true intricacies of the world,

[@321apocalyps]

Sounds simple enough, but I think Wrathion (though he has the best intentions) wishes for a much darker result. If he were to dismantle the Alliance and Horde armies he'd be in a position to stop the war entirely and bring about piece (although through mass blood shed) Or maybe he seeks a truce with both to bring about the fall of the burning legion who's to say he isn't "on the phone" with the titans now? And perhaps the darkest of all my predicted intentions: He may want to return Azeroth to it's original glory, the glory portrayed in the Emerald Dream. The Dreams expansion has to be in the near future (they already began the development of the zone, check youtube) Wrathion would be the best segway into that.

[@ChrisSmith-bb1dq]

AnimetionArt0 The major thing was he wanted to pit the horde and alliance against each other. He was backing Garrosh untill he outed his own people. Backing Varian was the smartest idea at the point. Push the alliance untill they defeated the horde and took in horde refugees eventually bringing everyone under one banner. The Tauren and Night Elves mesh together so naturally its almost odd to see them as enemies. The Forsaken WERE part of the Alliance when they were human, if they werent pushed away by racism and fear, would they have really abandoned their own kind? The Blood Elves joined the horde for similar reasons. Wrathion's goal in Mists was to push the Horde and Alliance conflict untill 1 destroyed the other and in such an act assimilated the broken pieces of said faction bringing everyone under a unified banner to fight the burning legion.

[@ColCoal]

Wait, a simple note changed jaina!? THEREMORE bombed because they betrayed your trust and used your own city as a means to bomb your home city. All of that undone because voljin sent her a tweet "yo, J, don't sweat the small stuff-V #yolo #voodoo" I really hope she didn't lose her conviction over this.

[@Oscar797]

WoW died for as a game for me long ago. But I will NEVER get enough of the lore that Blizzard comes up with for all these characters. It's amazing beyond what words can describe and I'm so thankful that you make these videos so that I can keep up to date with the stories :) Thanks Nobbel!

[@TheThorement]

I bought the book read it in like 2 days. its really great and once again shows that christie golden shines at writing characters. it doesnt really happen much in the book in terms of actual story but the characters inner thoughts and feelings were shown in great detail. if you want to know more about the characters and their inner demons i can only recomend this book!!

[@MonoToonGames]

Man I would have loved to hear the 'I regret nothing'-part in Garrosh's voice.

[@Kargathmen]

That part was awesome. His heart speech and then ... i regret.....- NOTHING! :D

[@refurbishedtechpriest9076]

Everything about this story sounded good up until the Celestrials said that they would have let Garrosh live. That just pissed me off so much... Here we have a tyrant who says he would have gladly bombed a thousand more cities, committed mass-genocide, turned on his own subjects, and they think it's wise to let him live?! For all the lessons and emotional healing the Celestrials and Pandaren(Taran Zhu) wanted to bring about between the Horde and the Alliance, they picked probably the WORST individual imaginable to use for this. And I don't say that because of what he has done, but because of the danger he could present should he have gotten free. And we know that happens. And now the price of these "lessons and healing" is to be paid in more blood. Fantastic... EDIT: Listening to this again, I think I may be less inclined to read this book for myself. I love a good story, and I certainly don't mind a story having some good lessons to it. But this... War Crimes just sounds so damn preachy. It's like this theme of "change" is forced down the reader's throats while trying to find out what happened to Garrosh and what sort of monumental screw-up allowed him to escape.

[@kennethsatria6607]

I think it would've maybe helped if Garrosh actually did do something importantly redeeming in the future to tie it together. Like how Gollum in LOTR kept the ring hidden from Sauron for so long and how in the very end he was the one that made it possible for the ring to fall into Mount Doom and permanently destroy it.

[@TheEt367]

"thrall nearly took off his head" with a mace

[@buzzlightyearpfp7641]

thrall so stronk he just explodes his head with 1 swing bro

[@Kaiyakaylah]

You really are the best Lore/story teller I have ever heard. I love listening to your thoughts and ideas, and how to piece things together so it can be understood by even people who never played the game or read the books. Keep up the story telling!

[@hxigg]

BTW This was an amazing read, anyone watching this video should definitely pick it up, because no video summary could truly do many of the intense emotional events of this novel justice.

[@leatcanned]

When I listen to you Nobbel i cant help but picture a big fluffy Pandarin .

[@StoogesFan]

I just finished reading War Crimes today and the story was great! I was glad that Veressa backed out of her plan to assassinate Garrosh, finally realizing that though she lost Rhonin, she still has their children and they mean more to her than getting revenge; but I also felt sorry for Sylvanas. Seeing the Windrunner sisters reunited after a long time, and Veressa turns her back on Sylvanas's plan. Whether one day we fight Sylvanas and possibly kill her when she turns completely evil, or she sacrifices herself to defeat a powerful enemy to Azeroth, I hope Sylvanas will find peace one day. Also while Jaina is still not a big fan of the Horde like she was in the past, it looks like she will later grow to trust them again.

[@MyCleanHands]

At first which made me like the book was the waiting of what was going to happen to Garrosh and the trial, but when I read (I confess, a couple of times) the wise and emotional speeches of Baine and his character development, I realised how well structured and well written were those parts. Btw you missed the epilogue. Great videos Nobbel, keep it up!

[@jbkjbk1999]

Wrathion "betrayed" us? FUCKING CALLED IT!

[@addeherrow]

I don´t think Wrathion betrayed us, Wrathion know what would be needed for the good of Azeroth and maybe Garrosh is a part of it! I guess we just have to wait and see!

[@strm6236]

Andreas Larsson last boss of warlords confirmed.

[@addeherrow]

Størm What? Is Wrathion going to be a boss fight?

[@strm6236]

Andreas Larsson heh, maybe not in warlords, maybe not ever. but for some reason I see it happening

[@Bartek20201]

He wont be a boss untill he would be corrupted like His father. he want to PROTECT the world, not destroy it.

[@KIDSMENU10000]

in the end we will all turn to dust... trynde- I AM OVER 10.000 YEARS OLD

[@HeliosKafar]

She is not immortal anymore so don't worry, she will turn into dust too :D

[@KIDSMENU10000]

Why what happend to her

[@HeliosKafar]

Ai Enma Lol Night Elves aren't immortal since Warcraft III ending... or am i missing something?

[@KIDSMENU10000]

Hmmm Did they get the immortalilty from world tree?

[@HeliosKafar]

Yep, the tree is still alive and i guess it will be fine but nothing was mentioned about Night Elves gaining immortality back/ at least i didn't heard about it...

[@NicholasGeschke]

When it comes to Sylvanas, Nobbel, I agree. She's been given plenty of chances to redeem herself and she has chosen to ignore it in favor of vengeance. I believe that she has now pushed herself beyond the point of no return. Yet, some still forgive or even hold out hope, why? Because she's attractive. Bah. A few honeyed words and some good looks do not erase anything. If anything, I daresay she's become quite like Azshara: Loved by her people, beautiful, but wicked and malicious.

[@krim7]

+NicholasGeschke I think people forgive her because she is a complex and interesting character. If she were to go fully evil, then she would become nothing more than a caricature, like Garrosh became in Pandaria.

[@Mel-eo9ub]

+krim7 She is all but complex.. I have to agree with Nicholas here. Sylvanas is like a whiny little kid now, she was saved by the Valkyr and all she has now is to just keep on living, but instead of taking the chance to become a better being, she focuses on only herself. She's truly the worst, her sister decides to go back to her family instead of losing it and raising an undead army with Sylvanas and instead of being happy for her or accepting that she has different ideals, she goes on a rampage? How is she fit to lead a whole faction, how are her actions justified? But everyone defends her because she's "the outcast" in the Horde, she's the one with the oh-so-troubled past that she can't overcome~ Complex, my ass, she's just a spoiled baby with a bad personality.

[@Dogle6153]

I think one of the reasons they try to keep her is because she controls the forsaken. Without her the forsaken would turn into rampaging scourge and then we would have one less race to play. However in the next expansion the Legion I hope they build up some better motivation for her as she has been pronounced to be a main character and her only motivation to be 'alive' right now is to make sure her people doesn't die out.

[@sebastianalbertyn5477]

+Mega Minx You forget; Sylvanas, above all, is an Undead raised by Arthas. The undead who were raised by the Lich King were made to not exhibit or have very little capacity for positive emotions. The Forsaken, who were primarily risen by the Valk'yr are capable of more emotions because they were risen without any shackle on their minds. I believe that if Sylvanas were ever to change here twisted nature... she would have to die, and be risen again. In a sense she has become institutionalised in the way that "traditional" undead behave, and thus, negative emotions come easier and quicker. I agree with you that, for the time being, she does not show any complexity in her character (e.g. always the vengeance and rage reaction, with ignorance towards any positive emotions or sorrow) But I do hope that Blizzard change this and delve more into her softer side.

[@krim7]

+Sebastian Albertyn Sylvania did die in Cataclysm. she was killed and resurrected by the valk'yr

[@Spore6001]

Great vid Nobbel! Even though I stopped playing the game years ago, it's great to be able to keep up with the lore through your channel!

[@Sakul9494]

Damn, wow lore is bigger then i ever imagined! Awesome video:)

[@Gorvar100]

I like to compare Wrathion with Ozymandias from Watchmen. What Ozymandias did in Watchmen was killing nearly half a city of people so both the Us and USSR would seize the cold war and unite against an alien threat. So what better way to unite both the Horde and the Alliance under one banner by throwing an enemy at them so they will be standing together when the Legion comes?

[@Suiseiseki00Rozen]

i haven't read a book for more than 4 years, but your lore videos have inspired me to start reading all of the Warcraft lore books they just sound so rich and deep in lore, they are going to put the final nail in my nerd coffin and make me a total nerd

[@wat3rcooling]

Been waiting for this, thank you Nobbel

[@Alcadeias123]

I'd keep Sylvanas company...i'm kind like that.

[@Alcadeias123]

So?..its just a comment.

[@UnderGroundMerlin]

***** A little necrophilia never hurt anyone lol

[@Jay0253]

I feel so bad for Slyvanas. I'm going to cry. ;(

[@el_69xo]

this book was by far my favorite. I love how Jaina is starting to become her old self again. Also the part where Sylvanas and Vereesa hugged was so good, i knew the dark lady had a heart :)

[@cantfindaname123421]

Well she lost that heart again

[@sprendinea]

cantfindaname123421 i almost cried

[@HIPOCRUPTUS]

when? chapter? I have the audio version and they didn't mention any hug.

[@cantfindaname123421]

HIPOCRUPTUS probably because they used the word "embrace" instead of hug

[@HIPOCRUPTUS]

Did they? Can't remember :/

[@KingKongaro]

soooooo Jaina's not pissed off about everything anymore?

[@Nobbel87]

Yep! She isn't a woman of peace anymore, but she made the choice to let go of the hatred.

[@KingKongaro]

well, that's probably the best we'll get, at least she isn't just saying "KILL KILL KILL KILL"

[@jjduc105]

***** Even though she has the right to say it.

[@JacobSomeUniqueIdentifier]

***** Turns out she is. In the presentation for "Legion" at Gamescom we were told that Khadgar is the new leader of the Kirin Tor, and Jaina has left to an unknown place and apparently "she's pissed".

[@krim7]

+Warpathomega Jaina chooses not to be angry and resentful until somethign else happens that makes her angry again.

[@ZhengIsRight]

Really intelligent to choose as judge, accuser and defender people with massive conflicts of interest. They should have just bashed Garrosh's head in after MoP instead of bothering with this BS.

[@Berek71182]

The tribunal/trail was not about Garrosh. Thats the pointe/lesson. While defending Garrosh Baine finds out his real duty: to help the other leaders and visitors to overcome their thist for blood and vengance. In the final battle when evryone was fighting thier mirror image - their one evil/Garrosh/Arthas inside him - -> it was Baine again who shouted to accept the evil echos instead of fighting them, and thus saving the day. I wish Blizzard to push Baine even more in the spotlight in Legion , becoming the Herald/General of the army of light while Anduin its formal leader.

[@ZhengIsRight]

What does that have to do with anything?It's a trial for real war criminal not some lame-ass self-help session for losers. Baine should have refused the position because he emotionally compromised as should have Taran Zhu and Tyrande for the same reason. Killing Garrosh would have also prevented one of the shittiest expansions to hit the shelves BTW.

[@renato360a]

I see your point, but you gotta remember that not everything goes perfectly IRL. In fact, many, many things are manipulated in the course of human history and politics. In democracies of today we have many trials with compromised accusers, defenders, jury and judges. Dictatorships fare worse. Monarchies are expected to have been even more corrupt. So if anything, this trial of Garrosh is way for the story to be more believable, since it mirrors the political turmoils we face in real life. When the stakes are this high, the people in power see no choice but to stage everything in order to sway popular opinion. What really surprises me is that they actually seemed to give Garrosh a fair chance to redeem himself.

[@MrElionor]

But the ones who ultimately decide his fate were the Celestials who are about as impartial as it gets and they chose to spare him and I think Baine did a pretty good job defending Garrosh despite his conflict of interest also didn't you listen to the end of the video? This trial was as much if not more about everyone dealing with their baggage they have gathered along the way as it was about Garrosh

[@MrElionor]

A prosecutors job is to prove the defendant is guilty who is better then someone who has no love for the defendant and will do everything in their power to accomplish this goal? If he anything Tyrende's distaste for Garrosh makes her a better prosecutor and killing Garrosh wasn't warranted before MOP

[@TrevMac2000]

I would bet that Wrathion did this because he thinks all out war against a 3rd party will unite the Alliance and Horde, he has stated before that that is his ideal situation.

[@marcinzysko1653]

"You can't fight crime by becoming criminal" - batman

[@ArktzeZeraph]

The moment with Anduin and Garrosh when they make the comparison to Arthas is also a bit of easter egg! Not sure if it was intentional or not, but Garrosh says "Perhaps I am." about being like Arthas. Fun fact! Arthas and Garrosh are voiced by the same voice actor, a one very talented Patrick Seitz!

[@moret25]

13:42 I cant stop laughing at H.scream's face rofl!

[@Timmy6108]

Honestly I'm very sorry for Sylvanas. This poor sole was again pushed in the darkness and I'm afraid of the untold horrors she will do in the future...

[@KestrelQ]

I'm not much of a book-reader, so watching this video to understand the lore between the end of the events of the Siege of Orgrimmar and the re-opening of the Dark Portal has really helped. Thanks for this :)

[@Archermit]

As always Nobbel, you never fail to impress with the vids. I was thinking about buying it, after this video, I have ordered it now!

[@BeastyBeauty]

I never really read books, but for some reason I picked this one up as an audiobook and I am not dissapointed! As it also is my first wow book I felt I chose the right one to start with and I might get another in the future. I really liked it, it was brilliant written... exept for two parts (Jaina running into Kalecs arms and when Anduin ran to find Chromie), 'cuz they seemed out of place and like something written whenever I rush the writing myself. Anyway! I think I had all kinda feeling and cried like 3 times ... it is really a good book to pick up! :D

[@XSean95]

Audiobooks i don't think count as reading, but ok.

[@ninjaAsassasin1212]

SeanTheGamer actually it does plus u can listen and play wow whats not to love

[@XSean95]

Maxo Reading is different than listening. That's the point I was making.

[@MyCleanHands]

Only love could fight all her hatred. We know it. Kalecgos knows it. She didn't realised until the end, until the trial passed and everyone took a deep look of what they are and how very much alike are. This book was a glimpse of how the values of Horde and Alliance could make them work together.

[@lordkiljaeden3887]

Great video, can not wait for the next expansion I also feel a little different about MoP now.

[@COFsux]

Thank you very much for making this video Nobble. I consider watching this video an essential pre-quest for playing in WOD, for those who don't read the books.

[@NoMoreNever]

Thank you for doing this video, Nobbel! I recently started playing Wow again and by now the timeline of events is starting to get really muddled starting from Cataclysm and onwards. From the end of Pandaria to the start of Warlords I had no idea what was actually going on in between and then suddenly you assault the Dark Portal with Khadgar! I do not like when they cover important lore stuff in books, but it`s greatly appreciated to have videos like this to fill in the blanks.

[@Blitzkugel100]

Nobbel, when we hopefully see Wrathion again in Legion, now that his prophecies from the legendary Questline have come true, you need to make so many follow-up videos for all those cliffhangers you leave in those old videso.

[@Multimarkredrb]

I wish you talked about the fact that nozdormu was the only aspect not present :( would of been nice to here your theory

[@DrCornelius]

maybe related to the third vision of time? some very weird things are going on within the bronze dragonflight recently

[@jamescrowther8745]

***** As did the other aspects, though.

[@321apocalyps]

***** I believe even though Nozdormu lost his powers he is still by far the most powerful Time manipulator, his presence could've swayed either side by his opinion since he has complete perception of the time before them, the other bronze dragons present are susceptible to flaws which would help either side in their argument. It was part of the game that they make mistakes in there evidence.

[@321apocalyps]

***** What i meant was not that he'd be biased but that he would know when the other bronze dragons made a mistake which is basically what a trail is, waiting for your opponent to make a mistake and so his presence would change the views of the other dragons, of course this is just speculation since the real reason in he would've forseen Kairoz betrayal and stopped him, he could've closed the portal too so Blizz had to take him out of the equation

[@Multimarkredrb]

Ciro Kerman I thought it might of had something to do with the Infinite dragonflight appearing? Maybe the disturbance with the time fields and timey wimey stuff + The death of his mate soridurmu caused him to become murozond? Maybe he felt like he had failed the world?

[@Asphyxious]

Thank you nobbel once again for making another great lore video! Keep doing what you're doing and thank you once again!! I'm gonna get me this book tmr!!

[@zargent42]

One of the most engaging books I've read, the ending was fulfilling and is a good lead into WoD.

[@lichbane2449]

Do you think there will be an event In wow about this book, like a scenario or actually being at the trial ourselves when it is closer to or during warlords of Draenor?

[@bindair_dundat]

Was any of the books in the actual game ever? No? Then neither will this.

[@Xerocoo]

Wlarius There are pathetic attempts of in game events somewhat connected to the book. IE Battle of Theramor... even though pale comparison to the book, and didn't even do it justice

[@lichbane2449]

well they had the battle for sen'jin isle and battle for gnomergon, plus battle of theramore and others, so maybe...

[@ynlay-yt]

I really hope so. We were promised an in-game quest that sends us to the warlords of draenor universe so that could be it

[@bindair_dundat]

They said the event will be something about the Dark Portal turning red and the Iron Horde marching through it. Probably months after the actual trial, since Garrosh needs enough time to set things in motion on Draenor. Also, MMO Champion had overviews of the starting events for both factions, even videos. Something about Gul'dan being captured by us. Even had the events of the first zone for the Alliance where they face Ner'zhul and Velen dies. I didn't really pay attention to the details.

[@ruihernandez8159]

With respect...I PROTEST! Jesus they used that line so many times i started laughing midway through xD

[@Whereareyouroam]

They are at court!! What do expect? Objection! Phoenix Wright :D

[@ruihernandez8159]

Im not saying it is bad xD. Just funny! hehe

[@catxborsuq1]

I'm surprised you hadn't mentioned that moment of Varian and Go'el just "hanging out" ;p You know, when Garrosh began to make his speech near the end, when the two of them had noticed that Chromie was missing, and Anduin went to search for her. I know, it lasted about a few seconds, but it was just so random for Varian and Go'el just staying there, leaning against the columns xD

[@armaniac661]

the book was amazing! The dialogue, specifically, was very strong and persuasive and, as much as I dislike Garrosh, Baine made a compelling case in his favor (not nearly enough to make me like Garrosh, of course). The Sylvanas-Valeera side story was a great touch. I can't wait to see what happens to all characters lore-wise in the future!

[@reach557]

My theory is that Wrathion sent Garrosh back in time and had him create this Iron Horde so that way when the events of WoD set in it would make the Alliance and Horde work together again to stop the Iron Horde. I believe Wrathion wants the Alliance and Horde to work together and realise that they have more in common than thought, for example the Iron Horde, Siege of Orgrimmar, the Cataclysm, Arthas, and The Burning Legion, the Alliance and Horde have all fought these events together. Something like the Iron Horde would have them work together again, so that way when the Burning Legion returns the Alliance and Horde will get the drill and know what to do. So Wrathion wants to unite the Alliance and Horde for when the Legion returns so that way Azeroth will be safe.

[@csisolate]

I agree. I believe Wrathion is not against us, but is trying to make the Horde/Alliance realize only together can they hope to defend the world.

[@EvilYoshi100]

Csisolate Something like a modern Medivh type of thingy.

[@aaronaltman8065]

Nazgrim, Zaela, Shokia... Why do all my favorite Orcs always have to end up on the side of evil?

[@wcpelle]

Because all orcs are rotten to the core.

[@fiercedietyfan]

Stimulate EU thrall, just saying

[@aaronaltman8065]

fiercedietyfan Don't forget Eitrigg and Saurfang as well.

[@FahadAhmad88]

I have a busy busy schedule and don't play WoW any more but I absolutely love the lore. I am so glad that your channel exists for this reason. Love your optimism, enthusiasm and astute insight! It's very refreshing! Thanks a lot! Please keep up the good work and bringing out amazing content like this! :) Blizzard should hire you! lol.

[@Nagoragama]

They really should. They need SOMEONE to keep the lore consistent because they don't seem to be able to do that at present.

[@LoraKnutson]

Hi Nobbel, I just wanted to let you know that I enjoy your videos. I love the lore of WOW. You tell it very well. Bye for now, Lori

[@Antonio-gg4vv]

17:18 That's him right now lol

[@slugprincess10]

Vereesa Windrunner Lore Please :)

[@TimmayKC]

Great video! Thank you for your hard work in creating this for us! It is really interesting and I cannot wait to find out what happens in WoD!

[@Miyao05]

Like I knew, you wouldn't disappoint! I was IN Love with the book when i read it and like you I was a bit disappointed with the little content we got about dalaran and all that's going on. But it also made some GREAT development for everyone and people to realize even they can be corrupted. I still won't forgive Garrosh but I hope in WoD we get to see something REALLY bad happen to him because of all the things he had done. Thank you for making the video! :D

[@xCJamesee]

Hey, I havent played wow in a while but trying to get back into the story of it... At 9:50 if that a quest? where could i find it plsplspls

[@Strrroke]

So Sylvanas wanted to poison Garrosh ... Had she succeeded, we wouldn't have had this horrible xpac called Warlords of Draenor. But this little fucker Anduin spoiled it all. This leads me to one simple question: who is the real villain of WoW?

[@aight9151]

easy, doctor boom

[@beknown63]

Sageras because he started the whole thing. Wait, this comment was a joke. Shit.

[@Scartay2]

dont forgett Hogger, this bastard is still in the woods somewhere doing his business

[@Doomlovesearth2]

Thrall. He was the one that made Garrosh Warchief in the first place and started all this crap.

[@Samagachi]

Doomlovesearth2 I'd say a good deal of people can be considered responsible. Thrall for appointing garrosh, varian for stopping thrall from fixing the mistake of appointing garrosh, anduin for stopping garrosh from eating the poisoned food, etc.

[@YoussefSami]

This was excellent! You certainly did the story justice.

[@NammyNamrok]

Awesome Vid mate. Always the best place to come for Warcraft Lore!

[@giusepper6745]

Nobbel87 i think that Wrathion is teaming up with Kairoz and they are making sure that everything gets going in Draenor that way when we jumped through the portal to save Azeroth, the Alliance and the Horde will have to learn to work together and it;ll make our bond stronger so when the burning legion comes again we can unite and just destroy.

[@HappyNamedHero]

I don't get what makes this book so good. The moral of the story is that they all could of been a Garrosh so he deserved a chance to change, but the end result was he did not change and we got a terrible expansion instead.

[@nitefyre2032]

What I like about this is that Garrosh knew what the deal was from the start, this is why he called the trail a "comedy" because it was. He made his choices, the Celestial s made theirs from the start. It was everyone else that was in conflict with themselves.Going to have to pick this up when I get a chance.

[@averagebritishwhiteboy3539]

Been looking forward for this!!

[@RobiePAX]

Poor Sylvanas...

[@Scarbgunner]

Poor Poor Sylvanas all she wanted was to be loved by her sister.... DAM IT BLIZZARD WHY!

[@RobiePAX]

Dechuri because happy ending = no future expansions :P

[@iFYMxDRKNSFALLS]

RobiePAX im still thinking that Sylvanas will be the great evil for the horde, and that the dread lords that corrupted Arthas will make a comeback to set another invasion of the burning legion, or convince her to take the throne of the lich king? either way Sylvanas got some things up her sleeves.

[@mart570a]

I have seen the future in the expansion after WoD Ilidan return giving us the new demon hunter class where you start off as a demon hunter after the events of the black temple you will get all the information about what happened after the black temple (You Are Not Prepared!), in the mean time the burning legion have returned and starts raping our asses when illidan return through the portal with a army of trained Demon hunters (us) and he then goes to Sylvanas and gets married end of story.

[@TheProudOne]

|P|hanto|M| Cool story, bro.

[@eyevou]

Sylvanas was plotting to turn her sister into a forsaken! It was unforgivable!

[@Vladimere58]

must have more banshee queens, that i was actually hoping that Veresa would have helped Sylvanas come down from her dark path since Sylvanas is my absolute favorite character in the game and i really do not want to slay her

[@iBlueFoxxy]

Vladimere Ravencroft +1

[@LRoeser]

Vladimere Ravencroft I, on the other hand, am disappointed in the innaction of the Ebon Blade. Surely the rise of a Lich Queen is more important than finishing off a few remnants of scourge in Northrend?

[@TheGrizzlyHound]

Fuck how I would've loved to see that. It would be so interesting. I think I died a little inside when Vereesa betrayed Sylvanas. Poor Sylvanas, maybe she could've finally been happy. =(

[@ExecutionerVT009]

I haven't read the book, but like to think that Vereesa could have been by her sisters side without becoming an undead, after all, Sylvanas lives in that nightmare, I can't imagine making her sister go through that as well.

[@Star_Nova]

It really sucks that Sylvanas didn't reunite with her sister. Also, I think Wrathion may be trying to "power up" the Alliance and Horde by sending them to Draenor, since whatever they do there theoretically doesn't affect the "real" world.

[@IAmLacertosus]

Yay! I have been looking forward to this, thanks Nobbel!

[@M5A1Stuart]

#MakeTheHordeGreatAgain

[@zlatyan]

They should have sentenced him to - "Touch of Death" xD

[@Infinite_voyager]

I started watching this video, but stopped when you said we should better read it because it's so good and stands on it's own, so I wanted to thank you for this advise. I've never read a wow novel before, but this was a very good novel on it's own! Thank you for advising me to read it :) I'll probably start reading all the novels now xD

[@MrJustinArt]

Great video! You really got me tempted to buy this book; which I will when the time comes. Now... where did I put that "Dragonslayer" title?...

[@doomblackdragon]

The award for most epic fails goes to Anduin. That right for setting Garrosh free. For ruining Sylvanas happiness and worse fuck up of them all. Saving Jaina. Well this would not be World of Warcraft if the horde did not have to go clean up the Alliance mistakes. It funny 90% of all the raid bosses in WoW are there because of the alliance screw up. Garrosh is the first major boss that was the hordes mistake.

[@doomblackdragon]

Joshua Johnstone It is true. Varian stopping thrall from smashing Garrosh was a very big mistake.

[@LeonGun8]

Sylvanas happiness was hindering on murdering someone and then turning her sister into a Banshee. That's a little messed up in and of itself. While Arduin was indeed naive, he was following his believes in the Light to a tee. In a way, Anduin is shown to be trying to grow in a polar opposite direction of Garrosh. But that also can be his undoing which is why the book shows him a version of him that is weak willed, thus showing himhe has to Follow the Light but also be ssure of his strenght and valor. The book really is about making the characters move out from the mess they built themselves during Cataclysm and Pandaria and thus reach a sort of understanding so the Horde and Alliance can actually cooperate again in any way.

[@lususnaturae881]

Just so we're keeping track. First war was the horde. Second war was the horde. Third war was Ner'zul as the lich king, also the horde. Then we get to the first wow, which was dragons, neither side was responsible. TBC was 1 Illidan from the alliance and 3 horde characters, Kael'thas twice, Fell horde several times. Wrath had Ner'zul from the horde using the body of arthas to cause everyone trouble once again the horde's fault. Cata was about 90% orcs in the twilight hammer clan and deathwing, because the twilight hammer clan WAS originally orcs from the horde, the difference now being that cho'gal another OG horde member joined them. Finally Mists is again, Horde fuck ups. WoD is MORE horde fuck ups. Finally Legion which is gul'dan's fault which is more horde fuck ups. Who's mistakes are we cleaning up in wow again...? Oh right the Horde's because 90% of your faction's characters are pure evil. From Sylvanas to Kel'thas to garrosh, while the rest are petty thieves like Galywix. Who else do you even have left that's both on your side and not absolutely evil?

[@destinygalearies7382]

This book's logic is ridiculous to me... it has a good message (I guess) but the whole "mercy" and "anyone can change, good or evil" was way overdone and ridiculous. Yes, let's ignore all of Garrosh's crimes because he "COULD" become a better person. Smh Also, according to Alextrazsa's totally-not-solely-meant-to-pull-your-heartstrings-without-actual-logical-evidence-just-to-support-the-theme-of-the-book answer, how is intending to conquer and raze every single race on Azeroth not "embracing darkness so thoroughly as to endanger other life?" Wtfu- kind of logic is that? And what were the Celestials going to do after letting Garrosh go free once he inevitably started his massacre again? Half of the book is just an ass-pull to preach about how "anyone can become a tyrant" and "forgiveness is the way." Yeah, no. If someone tries to commit mass murder and all the other crimes on that long ass list, you kill them. Doesn't mean shit if "they used to be good and they became this way through mistakes." Tell that to the hundreds/thousands of people who have died because of him. If you're gonna make the theme of the book something goody two shoes like "Sometimes evil people change," at least make some fuckin' sense when you write it.

[@destinygalearies7382]

Yeah, but Garrosh's final words at the trial kind of make that "chance" sour IMO... like Garrosh himself said at the beginning, it was basically nothing but a show. Only an utter idiot would believe someone like Garrosh could change. That's like betting on 0.00001% odds. If they really wanted to push the message of mercy and second chances, Garrosh was the worst character they could've possibly tried to carry it on.

[@Frostychampion]

I'd like a separate lore video for each of the dragonflight's. History, powers, possible futures post-cataclysm, etc. Really like your videos, so please keep making them. :D

[@HappycatLP]

Very good Video Nobbel,again I enjoyed the heck out of this. Keep up the good work! =D

[@shaojiewu9805]

Nobbel can you do a video on Vareesa pleasssssssseeeeee????

[@TheButtheadd]

Nobbel I NEED an answer. Please I can't find an answer anywhere to my question. How do Ogres procreate/breed, not an half-orc half-ogre, not an half-human half-ogre. How does an Ogre breed, I haven't seen any female Ogres. How else can they mate 100% Ogre?

[@Nobbel87]

They haven't added any female ogre models to the game, doesn't mean the don't exist. When a male ogre and a female ogre love each other very much....

[@TheButtheadd]

Nobbel87 Lol, Thanks for the response. Female ogres are so like extinct, within the game and the lore its makes me feel as if they don't exist. Love the Videos, keep up the good work.

[@jimi_jams]

TheButtheadd Maybe male and female Ogres are so similar that we can't tell them apart visually? Perhaps all this time we've been fighting female Ogres without realising...

[@CommanderPimanz]

I dont remember where I heard it but I heard there was mention in the game of an island near the goblin starting area that is full of female ogres.

[@GenkiGanbare]

TheButtheadd You mean how do they PrOGREate? ...I'll just show myself to the door

[@Nimasho2go]

I just finished reading this book yesterday, and I thought to myself, "That was an awesome book. I wonder when Nobbel is going to make a summary video. I'd love to hear what he thought of it."...aaand 12 hours (or so) later, and here I am commenting on the video. Awesome timing dude.

[@Gladyse13]

Thanks again for a pretty nice lore disciption. Keep up the good work Nobbel!

[@VanorstusTV]

What Rhonin died? awwww fail, and at therefore to some lame bomb, not some epic death. After Khadgar he was probably the most legendary mage.

[@KisiroKitsune]

His death was anything but lame. It was a dramatic, heroic sacrifice.

[@KirbyDUde65]

His death actually was pretty epic. He managed to redirect the Mana Bomb containing the blast while pushing Jania through a portal as he got obliterated.

[@VanorstusTV]

ok thats cool

[@jjduc105]

Yeah read the book before you say his death is lame.

[@UnlimitedZoro2010]

Kate Astatine Medivh was a good man, but Sargeras was just too strong and possessed him 80% of the time. Khadgar, Garona and Lothar had to kill Medivh to free his spirit, he always knew he had to die, rather than live to see himself destroy the land he loved and the people he cared about.

[@KingStratzah]

lol, lion king scene 2:40

[@jacdufv4693]

Love your lore vids, and me myself hate to read so i just love that you make these vids! Keep em coming can't get enough!

[@TheShindomaru]

I just finished the book, was awesome! So ready for WoD now. 2 things though. 1.Baine's final words for the defense was "Dust in the Wind" By Kansas, and 2. alternate Vol'Jin awesomely insane lol Loved the video Nobbel!

[@Harmes0]

so i can go around on a killing spree, and its ok, cos i can change at anytime and be a free nice person, no need for punishment. THAT IS SO STUPID!!!!. The one that was on trial was some one that did thing that anyone could never do, if you think about Arthas, that can be the closes character in terms of the magnitude of death that he brought, he was manipulated by the litch king, hell he even tried to hold the litch king back, but Garrosh did it on his own will, no demon shit no old god shit, his will. He deserves to die, then be rise again as undead and force for an eternity of slavery like cleaning each big city, cleaning the bathrooms w.c, if there are and so on for the rest of his life, or till the people agree that he had enough

[@MrXsanca]

Hello nobbel ! im listening to the war crimes now, i was wondering, did thrall get new title or name ? as in the audio version they call him gouell or somtehing like that, defintely not thrall.... i was wondering if i missed somethibng or if the interpretor is so arogant that he is destroying thrall's name by not finding how to prenounce it.

[@Nobbel87]

Thrall was his slave name, Go'el is the name his parents would have given him. and the name he goes by these days.

[@MrXsanca]

aha ! thanks alot for clarification !!

[@arthurvandelay4225]

+MrXsanca That's the name he is called by his wife in the "Cataclysm" expansion. Since this book post-dates that game, I'm surprised you didn't know.

[@JoniHD99]

Some 'mild' SPOILERS below; I've read every Warcraft novel (except 'Dawn of the Aspects' and 'Of Blood and Honor') and I must say this is my favorite Warcraft book to date (along with Tides of Darkness and Rise of the Horde). I love the Sylvanas & Vereesa storyline and the idea of poisoning Garrosh's food, and actually very surprised of what Wrathion did. And the epilogue is awesome! Can't wait for the next novel. Hopefully the novels is mostly about the Warlords (For example, Garrosh speaking to Grom for the first time). Great job with this video, Nobbel :3

[@osirisgem]

Hey, I have to say I really love your lore. I have watched a ton of your videos since I have discovered them recently and you always deliver.

[@towerknight5012]

Eh, I know everyone is banking on Sargeras to have some sort of hand in the near future since he is what could be practically the main antagonist of the entire WoW universe. But here's the thing, if such a thing were to happen I'm sure that the Titans will intervene in some way in the coming battle since Sargeras will be undoing all that they have striven for (Order). And if the Titans were to show, then there would be no final battle, why? because Burning Legion or no, Sargeras would have his ass handed to him, sorry to say. One Titan vs. All the Titans is too much of a one sided thing. On the other hand, and what I'm banking on is the one penultimate force that opposes the Titans, The Old Gods. Now given, they were defeated due to them fighting among themselves and that we ourselves as heroes have put not One, but three to rest, one must speculate how an Old god would pose a threat now, not just to us but to Sargeras and ALL of the Titans. The idea is laughable. Or perhaps not.... I imagine that if the Titans were to show up it would be at the last moment is some sort of heroic fashion to destroy Sargeras. Untill N'zoth plays his hand. Yeah I'm not going to go into much detail since Nobbel already touched on the possibility that N'zoth might be the true major antagonist with such feats as driving one of the aspects mad, possibly corrupting the emerald dream, all while ASLEEP, but I would like to bring up two thing that he didn't. One, is that N'zoth is the one Old God that could not be physically defeated by all of the Titans. That's some serious shit right there as the best they could do was cast a spell to make it sleep and hope for the best. The second is this quote: "should the Old Gods open the gates of their prison, even Sargeras would find himself pleading for the peace of death.". Although the origin of this quote is less...reliable as as the same speaker of this quote is the prime consort to Alexstrasza the life giver, who also claimed that the Dragon Aspects here mightier than the titans (errr, no.), if this holds any grain of truth then Sargeras and his burning Legion are but a ant compared to the troubles ahead. And if Nobbel is correct is assuming the N'zoth is deliberately allowing us to kill the other weakened Elder Gods, we are playing right into his hand. Ultimately I don't thing that Sargeras will be the issue anymore based upon the account of Sargeras vs. all the other Titans. Of course the threat would need to be so huge that it would need to threaten the very Titans themselves and while N'zoth can apparently take on the other Titans on his own, the fact that the Titans would have been screwed had the other Old gods stopped there bickering leaves upon for a very dangerous scenario. We know that N'zoth can take on the other Titans, but he is not the only Old god in the Universe. Indeed, as the The Dark Crusade expansion we know that a multitude of Old gods dot the universe, separated and craving chaos but misdirected in there search (since the universe is such a big place after all). What if N'zoth did the unthinkable and basically contacted every Old God out there, each more powerful that the Titans, and basically gave them a heading to Azeroth? That's just a thought anyway.

[@preds43]

pfft the old gods are nothing without an army that has conquerd worlds and destroyed civilazations and the old gods just have 1 world dont have an army and cant work together hahaha

[@towerknight5012]

Sargeras the Destroyer Yeah,Yeah, yeah, whatever accountant cosplayer.

[@EliteRocketBear]

Tower Knight To be fair, remember that Sargeras was pretty much their champion. He was the one who went out there and fought, the rest of the pantheon did other shit. It's safe to say that Sargeras will deal a good can of asswhooping.

[@towerknight5012]

Perhaps. Worse case scenario is that we would have to fight alongside the Old Gods, since all of Azeroth's existence hinges on the Old God being alive. True we've beaten the severely weakened body of 3 of the Old Gods but they don't truly die, just their avatars. If an Old god were to die, the effect on Azeroth would be catastrophic. As a result the Old Gods are apart of a "necessary" evil in the warcraft world that Heroes and all the other races can do nothing about. The creation of the Naga, the corruption of Deathwing and the watchers, the manipulation of the elementals and whatever role is hinted that they deliberately made sure that Bolvar would be crowned the new lich king are all things that could not have been stopped.

[@mistersinister2043]

_"should the Old Gods open the gates of their prison, even Sargeras would find himself pleading for the peace of death."_ -Written by Knaak, wouldn't take too seriously. Also, it is unlikely Sargeras was there when the titans fought N'zoth (he didn't know about the well).

[@osterberg501]

Been waiting for this one!

[@LamaGamesTV]

The Wrathion Twist left me Speechless well i am sure he works on another Agenda (seeing Legion is back) but still damn that was a godamn twist.. thank for the video mate! You convinced me to buy the book!

[@gankald]

+LamaGamesTV `apart from the fact that wrathion already predicts the legion comming dureing MoP? (showing at some point a azeroth being ingolved in flames)

[@nicholasnilantha4416]

Alextraza is so DAMN HOOOOOOTTTT!!!!!!!!!

[@yeet6876]

she is

[@Nunubotz2]

same model al sylvanas less clothes XD

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

yeah

[@DemonPrincessNyri]

WAIT FORCED PREGNANCY

[@TheKurzax]

Hey Nobbel been watching your vids for a while now this will be my first comment to you. I hear your english improving with eatch video your story telling improving aswell. I am very grateful for your videos. so thank you for shareing your passion with us. And I really hope blizzard Hires you for your story telling. I am pretty sure many people would agree ! wish you the best of luck man !

[@SajserWoW]

Amazing as always!

[@bloodskar5507]

So why the fuck couldnt they make a trial for Arthas,he had the same potential to be good as garrosh did :D

[@ThallanarRabidtooth]

Arthas set sail for Northrend to get Frostmourne so he was pretty much untrackable, once he returned to kill his father, he was already too powerful to be captured so he just killed his father, started resurrected people to be his allies, then went off to Northrend again to become the Lich King. He was always on the move from location to location so people couldn't track him down. Garrosh on the other hand, he made himself a large target, he stayed in one place; Orgrimmar. He allowed the heroes of Azeroth to challenge him, that's why he was captured and Arthas being elusive, was not.

[@muncherofbiscuits]

He was basically too strong at the time.. Seriously, frostmourne and Ner'Zhul gave him ridiculous power as you know.

[@bloodskar5507]

I know that it just pains me that they killed arthas and than they would have let garrosh live

[@muncherofbiscuits]

Tiggrex Arthas was corrupted beyond repair honestly.. Not that Garrosh isn't, but apparently Garrosh will be useful, as the bronze dragon(s?) think

[@HeliosKafar]

And Illidan :)