The Strange Case of Class of Heroes 2G :: PS3 ::

[@Food4Dogs]

There is of course an awful lot more that could be said on this (to me: fascinating) topic. How Gaijinworks later had another go at producing a special print run - this time a limited edition of Summon Night 6 - and how this contributed to the company's problems. However, I believe this story has been covered already quite well on KZbin. Thus my decision to limit myself to Class of Heroes, and try to keep the video length reasonable. Thank you, as always, for your interest! A note on Variant D: it did spike in price temporarily, especially when the PS3 online shop closure was first announced by Sony, but 'normalised' since then back to its original value. Please note that I contacted VideogamesPlus Ca, asking if they had any information they were able to share about the Variant D print run; however, they did not reply.

[@Robin_Is]

Ok.

[@getinthering7309]

What is the cloth on your table from?

[@notmyname6855]

Summon Night Swordcraft Story is one of my favorite games of all time for the Gameboy Advance. There are even fan groups on the internet who made a fan patch that translates the sequels to english.

[@Food4Dogs]

@@notmyname6855 yes, I do have Swordcraft Story! I love it!

[@Food4Dogs]

@@getinthering7309 It's linen and hand-stitched.

[@YoctoYotta]

Your knowledge of these relatively niche games never stops impressing. I'm 40 and consider myself pretty dialed into the scene overall, but you have consistently introduced me to great games new and old that flew by my radar over the last couple years I've been following you.

[@Food4Dogs]

Thank you, that's a big compliment!

[@ClaviHaze]

Thank you for this video, it's always a treat hearing about the small details of games like this that are generally unknown by international audiences, this game didn't even reach my country but it was so interesting hearing about it!

[@evad4you]

Just had to comment on that lovely Spiritfarer music in the background.

[@MossyBear]

How fascinating! Thanks for this deep dive on a game that I totally missed.

[@mushroomlena]

Wow this was so interesting! Your knowledge on niche games always amazes me and the work you put into research.

[@mikure3346]

I love your videos 💖💖💖💖

[@sukamadik5983]

I wasn't expecting this upload between 1:20 - 1:30am. Never heard of this one so I'll have to look up some gameplay for it.

[@SOJZ927]

I've been looking for more info about this game for such a long time. It's incredibly hard to find any legit sources of information about 2g Thanks so much!

[@Food4Dogs]

Thanks, you're welcome!

[@nickdejager8873]

I really enjoyed Class of Heroes 1 on PSP. I missed the second one. But I'm also old enough I remember as a child playing Wizardry 1 and 2 on the Apple II, and later on the NES. I remember the PSP/Vita linkage being promoted, but never saw any games that used it. But I did (and still do, rarely) use a PS3 controller to play my PSP Go on my TV.

[@zwa551]

Hi Britta! thank you very much for this interesting video! it is nice to discover these pearls! I was not knowing about it. Thank you for your attention and such a comprehensive video!

[@crossxfuse]

I used to play Class of Heroes all the time on my PSP and years later saw Class of Heroes 2G and thought about getting it, but I ultimately didn't. I never knew there were so many variants of the game though so this was interesting!

[@notmyname6855]

I remember playing Class of Heroes for PSP a lot! I never knew it even had a sequel. I remember it being really good. This PS vita and Ps3 integration is very innovative, even though it's over a decade old at this point!

[@uraniareva]

This is such an interesting topic, thank you for covering it, Britta! I had no idea about any of this (I'm not particularly into dungeon crawlers myself), but it's almost a little sad that Gaijinworks' whole limited run scheme didn't seem to work out, mainly because the game didn't end up being remarkable enough, it seems. But wow, they almost would have deserved for it to work for the quality booklet alone. :)

[@landis7726]

I picked this game up from the original preorder so I am not sure about the variant. Its in storage but it is interesting to see how this got reprinted. Just an example of how things get reprinted. This even happens to limited run game alot especially titles that aren't to niche.

[@kevinandrews4985]

Just got one new seal copy picked up today mine is the letters ends with D . Thank you for showing me that information. I'm definitely going to keep my copy.

[@Food4Dogs]

Thanks for feedback, Kevin, and congrats on the purchase. 👍

[@kevinandrews4985]

@@Food4Dogs thank you

[@DaneofHalves]

I really like these videos. I like how you present these gaming "gems" and inform other enthusiasts, like myself, of the kinds of games out there that they may not be aware of. Thank you very much for sharing them with us! I really enjoy them! 🙂

[@ZeRoX98]

Thank you for this informative video. Had no idea there were other variants. I preordered directly from Gaijinworks at the time. I have Variant A with #1624. I also bought their other release of Summon Night 5 for the PSP; #2557.

[@Food4Dogs]

Thanks for that info!

[@ooshiemaniac5188]

Your a legend and an inspiration.

[@estradamurcielgo175]

Brilliant video! Love your appreciation of the characters, art and gameplay. These are masterpiece art works.

[@Bowflex2480]

hm never heard of this one!🤔🤔thanks for the info and the clip Britta. going to have to look into this one some more on my own as well. Hope you and poodlepa are well,

[@Food4Dogs]

Thanks!

[@ajtstvandmusicarchivechann1585]

Wonderful video! I purchased my copy sometime in 2018 or 19 at a local game shop. I was told it was the C variant and paid around $80 USD. It wasn't until about 2 months ago I learned it was the D variant. The store owners didn't mean to overprice it. They spent nearly 20 minutes trying to determine the variant at the time.

[@Food4Dogs]

Ah, that's really interesting - but also a little disappointing for you, I suppose. I have to say Gaijinworks did not make it easy for people to determine clearly and easily which variant was which. I'm not surprised a store owner struggled with this convoluted issue.

[@dreamingseachild]

I just heard that this is coming to the switch in "early 2024" (including a western release too). It seems to be part of the recent trend of remasteing some of the older games though it's surprising some of the games that are popping up as this is a niche one like you said. I really like Etrian Odyssey so I am excited eventhough I hadn't heard of this game before.

[@Food4Dogs]

Yes, that's right, it's coming! Took everyone by surprise, me too.

[@fabledredeyes]

Class of Heroes always seemed interesting because their 'dwarves' are so different from other dwarves in media. I didn't know they had such a good idea for PS3/PSvita support. Feels very nintendo-y.

[@yukonjack2891]

only gaming channel worth watching. very humbling.

[@Food4Dogs]

Well, I think there are a few good people out there doing really important and incisive work here on YT. 😎 Thanks for the compliment.

[@amalathisdreaming]

Such an interesting story. I never heard of this game before and it looks quite interesting. Art style is quite nice too.

[@Motley365]

Enjoyed this one - not a game I had ever seen before

[@thunder047]

Found my copy I have in my collection, preordered it from them. I have variant B and serial #0038.

[@Food4Dogs]

Wow, low number!

[@zockeromi1970]

I didn't know this yet 😮 Very interesting.

[@chrismanahan1533]

I wish this is available in Steam. I love these Wizardry-type/Stranger Of Sword City-type of games. Too bad it is a niche market.

[@therealmerryjest]

I thought I had hallucinated this title. It DOES exist after all!

[@Food4Dogs]

Haha 😄 - yep, sure does.

[@RetroNerdyGamer]

I have a question: Ive seen this for a decent price on Ebay and was wondering... As someone who might not be into this type of game/rpg... would I enjoy it? I really wanma get it because I like the localization company and my first games of theirs was Summon Night 5 and 6. I also use my ps3 or psp more than vita or ps4.

[@Food4Dogs]

It's really hard to say. I honestly don't think it's quite up there with the level of the Summon Nights. I struggled with some of the mechanics which weren't quite what I love in JRPGs (like endless traps, poison etc. in dungeons). But maybe I just got off on the wrong foot, I dunno. It's really impossible to predict whether a game will click for someone; heck, I have trouble sometimes working that out for myself! 😁

[@RetroNerdyGamer]

@@Food4Dogs Haha I feel that. Ive become so much more picky with games... Eh if I ever have extra cash Ill pick it up thank you for the answer!

[@RatfinksMethinks]

Thank you! I'm always looking for good new roleplaying games and dungeon crawler type games! We talked a bit back about Rune Factory 4 or 5, I don't recall, but if you like roleplaying games and ever get into life sims or farming sims, have you tried the pc game Sun Haven? It's in Early Access right now, but it's so fun and cute and the new bosses they added recently are awesome!

[@Food4Dogs]

I'm more into the classic farming sim games (like Harvest Moon/Story of Seasons) - but I do try others occasionally. It's more a question of time: farming sims can be real time sinks! 😄

[@carlosla88]

Yeah the question about what makes a game rare and expensive is always interesting and depends on so many factors. For the people who want to "invest" in video games: maybe you'd rather stick to the stock market :D

[@Parisiancollector]

Hi, I’m a PS3 collector from France 🇫🇷. I’ve got variant A, number 2878. 👍🏻

[@Food4Dogs]

Hi CuCuz, welcome and thank you for your input! This is super interesting. 👍 Do we know whether the variants are numbered separately, or all together? 🤔 Does that mean there are 3,000 copies of variant A, or that you have no. 2878 of the combined A, B & C print run? Do you happen to know?

[@MrHealthyPlays]

I have Variants A & C that I pre-ordered from them. Mine are numbered 1485 for my A, and 1399 for my C. So I suspect a minimum print of 1500 per variant. If only I could remember where I put my PSP copies of the game. EDIT: Do we actually know if each variant was stickered individually? Since the stickers are on the outer plastic seal they could have just stickered them as they shipped in no particular order. So I could actually see A, B & C being as low as 500 each if that is the case. But 1000 each does also make sense if they were stickered as they shipped.

[@Food4Dogs]

Oh goody, that is fascinating info - thank you so much! 👍🏻 We do not know anything about how the serial numbers were stickered (I haven't found any documentation on that or other issues, it's all very secretive). It's interesting that your two numbers are rather close together; this would argue for "continual stickering" regardless of variant (and that could mean potentially only 1,500 copies!). But ... my gut feeling says the numbers 1485 and 1399 being close (but not super close) does not reflect cross-variant stickering, and each variant likely had 1,500 (or more???) copies printed. Also: That would bring the complete A/B/C print run to around 4,500 copies. Which kinda tallies with the later Variant D re-print (which seems to also be around that number).

[@kid_stealth850]

have the game as UMD for the PSP, its fun but takes very long

[@lindah6954]

It was cheaper for publishers to print a box cover and make a disc than pay extra to Sony to have it on PSN store front. Sony had all the say over Pricing before PlayStation became its own division of Sony. Indi games still had to pay Sony to have their games on PlayStations platform. Today it's a big gamble if developers make any money from their games. PSN's fee is $25,000

[@lemming9984]

That's greedy, Sony!

[@Food4Dogs]

@@lemming9984 25K is one of the top amounts for a special 'feature' listing (not for a regular one). I'm not defending it - just ensuring correct info is provided.

[@rehabilitator]

I don't know why I'm here but I'm not complaining.

[@Wheres_Bunny]

Welcome!

[@Food4Dogs]

I get that a lot. People arrive by complete algorithm fluke, and some stay and become regulars.

[@cartoonkenj2209]

The music gave me good memories of my time in Spiritfarer. Have you played it, and if you have, what are your opinions on it?

[@Food4Dogs]

Oh, I love it! I keep going back, it's one of those games I think I never finish. 😎

[@CharmyChaotix]

👏

[@lindah6954]

I have Class of Heroes on my PSP.

[@CatsGamesWhatever]

People should remember that just because something is rare does not make it valuable. How much demand is there really for the game if it got a reprint of say 5000 copies in 2016 but 7 years later is still available for purchase new from the same website? Not much and the people pushing the variant angles are speculators at best (or worst). People should not use video games to "invest in". Buy the game if you want it in your collection or to play but hoping it will shoot up in value in time are going to be disappointed.

[@lindah6954]

These games are Independent Developer Games. Indi games for short. I find new ones all the time. Most I pay under $10 for. I buy the survival and simulation games. Most are a lot of fun to play. New Indi games are out for PS5 that I play on. Most will never get noticed like Class of Heroes. It's more of a testing ground for new game developers.

[@IoIocaust]

Whats your opinion on Genshin Impact?

[@Food4Dogs]

I don't play GI.

[@S3lph131]

It's more interesting to me as rare 1st person dungeon crawler on ps3.. Which are few and far inbetween.. since at that time they were picking up speed on DS/3DS and Vita (although less famous til later on Vita).. Overall the Ps3 was a funny system.. NISA and IF we just making games that could be on the Wii.. The Jrpgs were sparse till the back end and were sharing multiports with 360 til 2011.. Towards the back end it had some gems.. If I wasn't a Squaresoft/Enix/Square-Enix publisher collector/mystery dungeon collector atm.. I'd dive in to ps3.. (getting ps3 GuidedFate/Awakened next month XD) lol.. or 1st person dungeon collecting.. which I have about 5.. ^^;;

[@Food4Dogs]

Oh yes, Guided Fate/Awakened are really neat dungeon crawlers, I think you'll like them!

[@S3lph131]

@@Food4Dogs I enjoyed what I played of Z.H.P their spiritual prequel.. I am more mystery dungeon fan.. tbf.. Working on Torneko.. Which I needed for my DQ set.. Just had to get £50 off before pulling the trigger ^^;;;

[@Food4Dogs]

@@S3lph131 I have the PSP version of ZHP on the Vita, but never played it. Now I have it on Switch and did start it up and I like it!

[@S3lph131]

I like games that customising trumps graphics.. Cladun is a good example.. It's concept is simple.. but it's got a metric tonne of customising for your pty.. Z.h.P has that with how you build the character into a superhero :)

[@Jacrispy777]

nice shirt :)

[@Keychan64]

I want to be you 😍

[@Food4Dogs]

You can't 😁 - but you can be Yourself, which is the best thing to be. 😎

[@GarydeBrown]

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