The Subtle Dance Of Fate | Free Will, Luck, & The Mind | QUINN #4

[@QUINN-JS]

This episode was made through no free will of my own 😉 Thanks for watching! 🤝 Spotify 🎧 podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/jsquinn X 🗣 x.com/JS__Quinn Crypto 📈 www.youtube.com/@WolvesOfCrypto_

[@mharrisona]

interesting topic, one that I think philosophers have argued about over the centuries

[@afribeanner]

If we believe in Free Will what are we trying to get free from and why?

[@uncleboy01]

If i rewind and i dont know that i have ill watch it, if i rewind and i know that have i wont because i already watched it.

[@QUINN-JS]

You wouldn’t have listened to the podcast if the universe was exactly the same upon rewinding, which is entailed in rewinding

[@uncleboy01]

Hha yo wolf responded, good stuff very analytical like your TA..

[@uncleboy01]

​@QUINN-JS also if i were you, I wouldn't leave your response to the hitler backlash youre likely to get to fate. Up the anzacs brother wolf gonna re listen to this.

[@liam9776]

It's half-true. If God is all-knowing, then fate is predetermined. God is the metaphysical precondition of causality. But within God's plan, we are able to make decisions freely due to our ability to make judgements. Forasmuch as man is rational, is it necessary that man have a free-will. These answers are not in competition with each other. Each explains a different aspect of the situation. You should expect a paradoxical answer from a Trinitarian.

[@Dzaster349]

Hey J so I am in 18 minutes in but I just wanted to say… I don’t believe in oracles however if there was to be such a power, what if she made the prediction based on the choice the father made?! So if he killed the child would any of this happened?! Thinking that no one is responsible for their actions or mannerisms would lead the world into chaos!!! Because everyone would do the most horrible things then claim that it was fate!!! Also, if your hypothesis was true that means that God is not fair!!! Because based on ones actions they would have eternity in heaven or in hell… If I was predestined for hell and there was nothing I could do about it then what was the purpose of life on earth?! We might as well have started in heaven or hell!!! We are here to be tested and based on our choices we are either rewarded or punished. So this is how I understand fate and free will. There are things that you can’t change… your parents, where you are born for example!!! however on daily basis you are given choices and you get to chose what to do or how to react!!! You pass a hungry beggar on the street you could get out of your way and go buy them a drink and a sandwich or just act like you didn’t see them and say I don’t have enough money to spare!!! Just because the so called since says that your brain knows what choice you will take but you don’t realize it on a conscious level yet that is based on your preferences and what you are comfortable with!!! That doesn’t prove anything!!!! If you wanted to pick a glass from the table your brain will decide give the order to your hand and there will be delay till you actually move… Demons can influence your thoughts and they can hear your thoughts however you have to make a choice at the end go to the gym or go to a brothel it is on you!!! Other wise on judgement day if god says I am going to hell I can object and say no you made me do this?! So why should I be punished?!

[@Dzaster349]

Also what if the oracle told the father that because she knew he wouldn’t kill the kid?! If one knew how a person thinks and how they are and know what options they will be faced with they can probably predict how things would turn out!!! However most oracles are liars because we are simpletons and want to hear things that would make us feel good about our selves and our choices!!! Only God knows the predestination of creation! If some one treated you badly you could have fought your self and programming and stood up for your self… Trust me you didn’t do the only thing you could have done! But that explanation could make you feel better about the past but it might fuck with your future

[@QUINN-JS]

Few things, I don’t believe in god, many religions are hypocritical on the topic of free will, you will see a brief argument for this mid way through I’d encourage you to watch the rest, everything you mentioned on the negative implications of a deterministic universe is cleared up It’s important to remember that even if you disagree that the implications are positive, that doesn’t mean determinism isn’t true As for the Libet experiments, You're right that the brain has to process information and prepare for actions before they are consciously carried out. However, while it’s natural that the brain starts working before an action, Libet’s experiment challenges the idea that the conscious "you" is the true origin of your actions. It suggests that decisions might be made unconsciously, with conscious awareness coming afterward. This is akin to you thinking you made a choice when you merely have just become aware of the fact that a choice has been made, you didn’t actually make it as the brain and conscious mind are not the same.

[@Dzaster349]

@@QUINN-JS I have watched the whole thing!!! So who do you think is in control of the brain that makes decisions then if you don’t believe in God?

[@clowny82]

So you are saying you are a determinist, and you use the word “determined” / “pre-determined” for the book that is you. So if you continue this logic then am I right to say you must believe in a writer of that book or one that has pre-determined your fate? Also aren’t your thoughts contextualised by your environment? Like the country you think of isn’t just random, your environment/past actions had an impact on why it came to mind. Your actions bring about change which you decide, not the other way around. Todays actions will be the building blocks of tomorrows thoughts.

[@QUINN-JS]

@@clowny82 I am agnostic on the idea of a “writer of that book”. I accept the fact that I don’t know, and don’t try to pose an answer to a questions that humans can’t understand or prove. All of the posed “writers” are exceptionally flawed in my view. Yes, your thoughts are contextualised by your environment, but you don’t choose your environment and you don’t choose for specific thoughts to arise based on it or for absent thoughts to not. You simply receive the thoughts you recieve. Your reactions to these random thoughts are determined by your countless things, all of which out of your control, and exponentially more so if you trade the chain of causality.

[@Dzaster349]

You should think about that book you are talking about more like 7 or 10 books each has a different outcome based on different choices made!!! It is said that when one dies they actually get to meet their best self… they one who made all the best choices that they could have taken!!! It doesn’t matter how bad the past has been it is not too late for some one to get as close to the best self in the future…. If free will doesn’t exist then why did God make hell man?! God is perfectly just and he won’t punish the innocent man!!! If what you just described was true then that means God is not fair!!! And I would accept anything except that!!! GOD IS PURE PERFECTION AND PURE JUSTICE, PURE LOVE AND MERCY… Trust me you don’t got it right

[@uncleboy01]

God allowing the devil to corrupt us doesn't seem perfect.

[@uncleboy01]

Or just

[@uncleboy01]

Or pure

[@QUINN-JS]

Religion is mostly irrelevant here, focus on the actual philosophy. If the philosophy is incompatible with your religious beliefs that gives you something to flesh out on the quest for truth. If your religious beliefs trump everything else, even things you would otherwise agree with, then you can never be an honest thinker on any topic.

[@Dzaster349]

@@uncleboy01 you don’t know the whole story!!! The devil choose to corrupt people because God choose Adam over all beings he created to rule them all… but the devil thought he was better because he was made out of fire and Adam out of earth… he already thought he was better than angels because he was amongst them and they were made out of light… Like I said free will!!! Angels don’t have free will how ever humans and jinn do… not sure about animals and birds but that is what I know

[@Amar-fu7eq]

Are you telling me that the Bible is not the word of God? 🤔

[@QUINN-JS]

Yes

[@Supersetman]

​@@QUINN-JS You can think of spirituality like a "genetic" trait-some people are more naturally inclined towards it than others. Just because you may not be good at football, it doesn’t mean it’s not fun. You’re an intelligent man, Quinn, and you know the odds are in your favor if you try this: pray to God and ask for the proofs you need to believe in Him. Do it sincerely, at least once. Sooner or later, He will answer. If He isn’t there, you’ll have only lost a few seconds or minutes of your time. But He is there and He will respond sooner or later, because He loves you! And your life will change! God bless you, man!