The Superior General of the SSPX Clarifies the Vaccine Debate

“A human being must always obey the certain judgment of his conscience. If he were deliberately to act against it, he would condemn himself.”1
The SSPX does not have the competence to call a boycott of abortion tainted products. Likewise we cannot directly rule on purely medical issues. Each Catholic must carefully inform their conscience and prudently follow their informed conscience. We affirm with the Congregation of the Faith that “…. practical reason makes evident that vaccination is not, as a rule, a moral obligation and that, therefore, it must be voluntary."2 Following this principle we condemn the coercive measures used to force people to violate their conscience and we support religious exemptions.
In order to inform your conscience we recommend that all study the “Moral Reflections on Vaccines derived from Cells derived from Aborted Human Fetuses” by the Pontifical Academy for Life.3 After studying these principles we ask that you carefully consider the therapeutic proportionality and risk of the vaccine and, if needed, consult a doctor and a priest whom you trust. We assure all of our faithful that we will continue to do that which is essential to our mission by defending the Faith against the ever increasing assaults of the devil and by providing the Mass of all Times and the Sacraments in these very challenging circumstances.
Footnotes:
1. Catechism of the Catholic Church (Vatican City: Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 1993), www.vatican.va, n. 1790. Sola conscientia certa (sive directe sive indirecte) est recta regula morum.
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3.www.pdcnet.org...
Selections from the talk delivered at the Angelus Press Conference for Catholic Tradition, December 11, 2021. The title of the Superior General's conference: "The Mission of the Society of Saint Pius X"
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[@SSPX]

“A human being must always obey the certain judgment of his conscience. If he were deliberately to act against it, he would condemn himself.”1 The SSPX does not have the competence to call a boycott of abortion tainted products. Likewise we cannot directly rule on purely medical issues. Each Catholic must carefully inform their conscience and prudently follow their informed conscience. We affirm with the Congregation of the Faith that “…. practical reason makes evident that vaccination is not, as a rule, a moral obligation and that, therefore, it must be voluntary."2 Following this principle we condemn the coercive measures used to force people to violate their conscience and we support religious exemptions. In order to inform your conscience we recommend that all study the “Moral Reflections on Vaccines derived from Cells derived from Aborted Human Fetuses” by the Pontifical Academy for Life.3 After studying these principles we ask that you carefully consider the therapeutic proportionality and risk of the vaccine and, if needed, consult a doctor and a priest whom you trust. We assure all of our faithful that we will continue to do that which is essential to our mission by defending the Faith against the ever increasing assaults of the devil and by providing the Mass of all Times and the Sacraments in these very challenging circumstances. Footnotes: 1. Catechism of the Catholic Church (Vatican City: Libreria Editrice Vaticana, 1993), www.vatican.va, n. 1790. Sola conscientia certa (sive directe sive indirecte) est recta regula morum. 2.www.vatican.va/roman_curia/co... 3.www.pdcnet.org/C1257D43006C9A...

[@JohnFromAccounting]

The CDF said it is tolerable when there is grave cause and no alternatives. For the majority of people, there is not grave cause, because they are not at risk. Alternatives exist in the world in the form of early treatment and in other vaccines. This means that for most people, the abortion tainted vaccines are not tolerable. The Church says that we should all oppose the use of abortion tainted medicines, regardless of whether or not we have used it.

[@zazszdzfzgzhzjzkzlzx]

Exactly, and I'm disappointed the SSPX would not follow-up on a sound declaration from Rome to push the reality that while it may not be intrinsically evil to take it, it is evil in the vast majority of circumstances. Father mentions this is the present front of the wider battle, so why not issue tactical orders to your flock?

[@SSPX]

The district superior of the SSPX's District of Canada wrote this: www.sspx.ca/en/publications/newsletters/november-2021-letter-friends-and-benefactors-morality-vaccines-69461

[@CatholicK5357]

The issue is though that it is not always clear what the risk is for the general population. It is certainly your opinion that most people don't have grave cause. But others might disagree. The world, whether you agree with it or not, has declared a state of emergency. Some consider that grave cause. If there are no alternatives, and since the co-operation is not direct, and since Church authorities have interpreted that it is not a grave sin, then you cannot really say that it is.

[@adrianbozic1113]

For some people the proportionate grave reason is medical (i.e. disease itself), for some the proportionate grave reason is social (e.g. loss of employment). I would agree that many people probably do not have such proportionate grave reason, so they shouldn't get the morally problematic vaccines.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

@@CatholicK5357 If the vaccine works, then it is a matter for the individual to decide. If the vaccine doesn't work, then there is no further discussion to be had.

[@redpoppy3569]

There are treatments and remedies for covid but unlawful restrictions are imposed.

[@elaine3963]

That's right. And how many tens of thousands of people did not have to die. With obvious intent and premeditation

[@Seethi_C]

Such as?

[@kimberlyriddell8574]

The question of could the early Christians eat meat offered in pagan sacrifices should be reframed. Could they eat a child sacrificed to the gods?

[@Jordan-pn7fy]

Exactly. Perfect example.

[@MMC-jp1gl]

This isn't about supporting one drug over another. I don't see worldwide totalitarianism over an allergy drug. And the SSPX SHOULD tell it's laity not to take ANY drug or medical product that is linked to the murder of children...that is a moral issue and well in it's purview. God bless~

[@Seethi_C]

So we should never take Tylenol ever again?

[@fragilechrissy]

The Problem is that nearly nobody thinks about eternal life , that our souls will live forever when the body dies.And that the souls will go to heaven or to hell after the death of the body.We have to pay attention where our soul will be after our body dies ,for which aim we live....health of the body is not the most important , but health and holiness of the souls.....wether we long to live with God for eternity or not , wether we love our Father in heaven or not.....thats the really important question....and I think God will never force somebody to take anything which has to do with murdered little babys

[@christisking9773]

I love love SSPX but still can't wrap my head around how we can accept taking a drug that was tested on dead children. If we accept it then what motivation is there for companies to not use dead children in its testing?

[@christisking9773]

@@giak7525 towards the end. I'm in no way trying to detract from SSPX. I attend their chapel and have had all kids baptized there. They are amazing priests. I just disagree with them on this one sole issue because I believe they are looking at merely the cooperation in evil or lack thereof, which is the most practical. So the question They are focused on is CAN a Catholic take this vaccine? I think they are right in their conclusion that we CAN, but they need to also ask SHOULD a Catholic take this vaccine? Yes, an 80yr old woman gets the vax isn't participating in the original sin of abortion. However, the sin of abortion is there, and if even Catholics accept this sin in the vax, who else is going to oppose it for the sake of not using fetal tissue in its testing and production? "Hey, even Catholics are ok with it, so keep having them abortions ladies so we can keep using cheap body parts to test our drugs on" that will be refrain of the world which is a scandal

[@breakthroughmadeinusa9184]

Imagine a case where a priest had to take the vaccine to travel in order to save souls.

[@CecyGzz]

What a lot of nonesense in one comment. Also lies. But who cares right? Lies against vaccines must be a new devotion.

[@CatholicK5357]

Because there is no alternative. We already use many things that have only come to us at the result of evil men. Do you know how many common medical practices we have obtained from Nazi experiments? When these documents were found, they had the choice between taking advantage of the knowledge obtained without approving of the method or else throwing it out. It was not and is not direct participation. The principle that the Superior mentioned is valid.

[@ClaudeM.11]

@@CecyGzz so is it a devotion of yours to not question the supposed science or violence with which many are met with for not receiving this technology? Seriously I can't understand the blindness.

[@bedar6961]

I am sorry Father, nothing is complicated: a lie is a lie and the Truth is SIMPLE. God (and His people) is part of medical debates and issues. May God help you so you can put GOD in the CENTRE of every debate

[@dorotabajak175]

Well said.

[@charlesmanche6052]

Jesus said, 'Whosoever shall save his life will lose it, but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's the same shall save it's.' Mark 8, 34-38. Why do we not trust the creator of Life, God the Heavenly Father, our saviour Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and believe more in men and their evil intentions. We will all die eventually from something...we should be getting our souls ready for death and judgement by God....as John the Baptist told us....repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand. So true especially today....

[@charlesmanche6052]

My apologies for the wrong meaning.....'and not believe in men ....

[@patriotsru.s.2642]

Very disappointing response from the SSPX.

[@matthewcauthorn9731]

Wow,way too many words,nothing to listen to here.

[@artsiecrafty4164]

Good question. Why don’t you answer it? It is not complicated. It is simple. WRONG IS WRONG.

[@timcusack9388]

Because they don't have the official Authority to do so, that's up to the Pope.

[@mariandamsel1400]

I do not understand why the immorality of taking these, cannot be included in the globalist discussion, or the main doctrinal & liturgical teachings.

[@missmaryjoseph512]

@@timcusack9388 agree it’s a difficult one and we are in very bad times as Catholics and the world. The church needs to be more defined and solid. We must pray for our leaders as it’s very bad times. Too much circling around with responses

[@liveholy9470]

To Live is Christ to Die is Christ. Do not Fear ... Scared Clergy of Death. Wake Up !!!

[@ligiareyes5990]

My main issue is the use of innocent children for the use of these vaccines. PERIOD. This is my stand because it simply offensive to our Lord.

[@TimBryan]

How were innocent children used for the vaccines?

[@TheHMD19]

@@TimBryan Are aborted fetuses not children?

[@Seethi_C]

No one is denying that fetal testing is wrong. But basic moral theology tells us that taking these vaccines are not morally wrong.

[@VitamAeternamSave]

Hmmm. So Fr seems to think medical issues are not theological issues?

[@jwm6314]

Time stamp where he said that? Are you misunderstanding something or am I? He said that side effects and efficacy are medical issues.

[@3Zeppoli]

@@jwm6314 He said that

[@jwm6314]

@@3Zeppoli He did not. He said that the issues of side effects and efficacy are medical issues.

[@julietamcginty7263]

Me and my friend Keeps arguing about this topic,I have been vaccinated 2times and I am not going to have the 3rd one.

[@patriciawhite5079]

Look in your heart, thou shalt not kill. It does not protect others only yourself. These companies do horrific things to test their products

[@TheDeanMachineTV]

I understand that it is sometimes more nuanced than simply saying "yes" or "no," but given the common overreach of authorities in mandating the vaccine, I would still appreciate if the Society could issue a religious exemption form.

[@andreac6663]

I felt the same way when my husband was under the gun and had to submit a religious exemption. I'll be honest, I was upset and frustrated that there was no clear stance from the SSPX and when it was finally published I was highly disappointed. I couldn't use anything that was presented to support our convictions. So I began researching the Church's teachings on abortion and it was from this angle we crafted our argument for religious exemption. After all the research and reading I did, I know in my heart the vaccine is wrong. It can't be both right and wrong. I wasn't shy about stating our convictions in the request. I even gave a mini catechism and I cited all the documentation against abortion that I had found. It took a whole weekend to put it together, but through the grace of God it was granted. I pray everyone who needs a religious exemption will receive one too. 🙏

[@SSPX]

Sspx priests in the USA do have a template, if you ask the SSPX priest where you are.

[@SSPX]

Of further interest: sspx.ca/en/news-events/news/religious-exemptions-traditional-catholics-explained-employers-69463

[@TheDeanMachineTV]

@@SSPX Okay, my apologies, I hadn't heard of that. Thank you very much!

[@SSPX]

No worries. We don't have one in a public place, but its something your local priest can help with.

[@michaelcowley7138]

Sorry to disagree on the point about the cornea of a murdered person being ethically placed for a transplant as that could lead rationally speaking onto body harvesting. Anything to do with murder ought not be used for the benefit of God’s people. He leads us in His higher way 🔥💨

[@jennydavies7048]

Medical professionals may only take organs etc. from a dead person if that person has donated same organs etc. to science or for the purpose of transplants.

[@godefroybaudricourt2974]

@@jennydavies7048 You cannot take organs from a dead person, which is why they coined the term brain death. If you have an organ other than a kidney transplant, you rapidly need to seek confession

[@corneliuslow]

You are right... It is still theft. Also the comparison is false to begin with, because the babies did not just happen to be murdered, they were murdered precisely for the sake of their organs.

[@Seethi_C]

If you really believe this then you should never watch another KZbin video again because KZbin is owned by Google and Google supports abortion.

[@eoinmcg88]

When will the Bishops of the SSPX ordain new Bishops?

[@jwm6314]

When it is necessary, is the answer I have heard.

[@wordbearer8202]

When they've run out of alternatives. As was the case last time

[@redpoppy3569]

Father, what if I haven't had covid? It isn't complicated. Why is covid the scapegoat? So? End the 'measures'. All illegal.

[@jancenon143]

So sad that the Church is SILENT even though were in the middle in this spiritual war.

[@truckingroadrunner8853]

Father Pagliarani, it is a Moral issue Not just medical/political issue!! SSPX should give Moral/Ethical Catholic Faith answers and stand up to God's Law. Abp Lefebvre spoke out against lesser evils but you are not speaking out against graver evils!! Ehere is common sense?

[@sebathadah1559]

I get where he's coming from but I fear its nowhere near as Grey as he thinks it is.

[@catolico97]

I’m sorry Father but your answer water down to nothing. Your comparisons are not valid when it comes to the value of human life. We need you to speak Catholic teaching and be a John the Baptist when it comes to defend life, truth, and be a pastor that clarifies instead of confusing.

[@timcusack9388]

Although I agree, us Layman had a role once. But since Vatican 2 things have changed. So in reality, the SSPX is not the authority within the Church. It cannot authorize any boycotting of the vaccines officially. That's the reason for the neutral stance, although that's why he kept referring to each priest is free to have and express his opinion outside the pulpit.

[@truckingroadrunner8853]

Father Pagliarani, with all due respect you are trying to steer the ship in Neutral !! Where is the wrong in speaking out against evil?! It is Not a matter of opinion or medical knowledge, it is a grave matter for God's Priests (and faithful) to speak publicly and explicitly against the evils happening!! No "sitting on the fence", No steering the ship in neutral!.

[@Latarniczka]

Monsignore steers (tries to) himself in neutral; in real life (as in Christ's parlance) one has to choose one or the other. I do not understand why this statement was made.

[@Seethi_C]

When was he neutral about fetal testing? I thought he condemned it.

[@lajtsajderlajti]

I understand what Fr. Pagliarani is trying to convey. I also read the article. On first listening the examples he used seem to be clear and convincing enough. However, examples he used don't seem to address the underlying issues if there is an act of murder. For example, if the cornea is transplanted from a dead person who was murdered rather than killed in some accident then the issue of morality becomes more complex. Even if the recepient of transplanted cornea isn't the one who commited the sin of murder there seem to be underlying issue of the motivation for such sin by the murderer and possible responsibility of recepient by indirect (or direct) condonement of such act. To be more particular, if the cornea donor was murdered for some reason not related to the transplantation procedure then it doesn't appear to be any direct condonement of the murderous act by the transplant recipient. However, if the cornea donor was murdered for the goal of organ harvesting and the recipient is aware that he/she will benefit from such murderous act then it appears that recepient is indeed participating in the sin of the murderer by giving him/her condonement and perhaps even incentive to commit such grave sin. Specifically, by recipient's act of agreeing to receive such transplant the murderer may make financial or some other gain (he/she is rewarded in some way for committing sin of murder) thus encouraging him/her to repeat murderous act rather than repent. Of course, the same reasoning also applies to fetus murders for purposes of medical research (and of course the resulting financial gain of those actions). I may be missing something but it doesn't appear that either the article or Fr. Pagliarani addressed those deeper issues.

[@SSPX]

In his example he did hypothesize that this person was murdered. It was a bit difficult to hear. Thank you for the thoughtful and charitable comment!

[@lajtsajderlajti]

So, the issue of original intent of murder and condonement of recepients still remains unresolved.

[@speculumiustitiae8571]

​@@lajtsajderlajti While I agree with Fr. Pagliarani generally, I do not think that this particular example was good, because it is undeniable that those who have made these experiments have committed a sin (this is confirmed both by Vatican's 2005 document and by Fr. Selegny's article). The point, however, is that while vaccine manufacturers did commit a sin in producing the vaccine, it doesn't necessarily follow that everyone who takes the vaccine is commiting a sin, since it is not always a sin to use a product that was produced in immoral way (for example, it isn't always a sin to use product made by company which doesn't give fair wage to the workers).

[@patrioticimmigrant8817]

This will be debated forever. My concern is the supply and demand issue. If rhere is no demand then there is no supply. If you participate in the supply side are your copable?

[@FrozenGator]

@@SSPX but the example of the murdered person was not connected to the harvesting of the corneas (at least it was not clear that the two were connected). In the case of the embryonic stem cells obtain by abortions, the abortions were part of the obtaining the cells, in fact if you read the description of how the cells were harvested, it happened even before the aborted baby was dead.

[@helenwestover3039]

Get to the darn point! It's NOT "complicated"!

[@romancatholicgrandmother6308]

People, Where Is The Courageous Truth, Being Told, From The Mouths, Of "Holy Men"?

[@emmanjing]

All that talk and still nothing said

[@DaveS859]

If you didn't understand it, just say so.

[@JohnDoe-wf7ep]

It's complicated

[@pepitovergarasilvestre7864]

Sancta Maria Mater Ecclesiae, ora pro nobis. Amen.

[@brunildat]

Pray to Jesus only. No where does the Bible instruct to pray to Jesus mother.

[@catcar9157]

If we all understood the difference between relative risk and absolute risk, this would not be an issue for the society or any society, anywhere…

[@natehiggerd9111]

It's Good versus Evil , same as it always is

[@edithfox5946]

Doc asked me why I did not take the vaccines Andi am very vulnerable I said Choice

[@TruthSeeker-333]

A little disappointed after watching this.

[@DailyDoseOfGood]

Just more proof of the infiltration of the church.

[@missyandromeda]

A lot. I’m done with the SSPX.

[@TimBryan]

“The SSPX doesn’t agree with my personal position, therefore the SSPX must be wrong.”

[@Seethi_C]

Your username is ironic considering that you are not open to the truth

[@Seethi_C]

@@TimBryan But the real irony is when the SSPX uses that logic regarding Vatican II

[@PrettyFlower721]

Oops,. We have all our reasonings but the bottom line is the COVID is an awakening to all of us...priests or not ..no border..COVID metaphor to REPENT get back to Jesus...COVID side effects....think of Healing: Holy Water, Rosary, Bible and the Crucifix...No worries but Believe.. lastly, Divine Mercy.....Should have been preaching to strengthen each Faith...

[@denvegetables8279]

Exactly!

[@davidg2840]

Why so so so late taking about it. Since they where so afraid Galen mafia.

[@jmcmisquita223]

Our church was asking for injection on every mass as if God cannot heal without injection.

[@countrymikki]

My church was as well. I no longer go to that church.

[@theperegrinecatholic2892]

I appreciate the Society keeping the comments section of the video open when most other Catholic channels would close the debate.

[@alejandravelezmorales3991]

Easy, they eliminate comments they don’t like. Mine, for example.

[@lovesrlady2]

Now I'm even more confused. 😔🐑

[@SSPX]

This article explains in more detail and may help! sspx.org/en/news-events/news/it-morally-permissible-use-covid-19-vaccine-62290 An excerpt: But what if, in a particular case, a person finds it necessary to be vaccinated and is unable to obtain a "licit" vaccine, having only an "illicit" vaccine available? This may occur for health reasons (vulnerable elderly person), or because of the professional situation (exposed medical personnel) or for professional reasons, such as traveling by plane. There is already at least one airline - Qantas in this case - which has warned that, as soon as vaccines are available, it will require vaccination to accept a passenger. It is very likely that this requirement will be quickly taken up by many airlines. As cooperation is only distant, and the reason given is serious enough, it is possible in these cases to use such a vaccine. Moreover, it remains for each individual to judge, with the help of appropriate advice, this real need. It must be clearly stated that we are here in the domain of a prudent judgment, which cannot be uniform for all and in all cases. Moral theology says what is lawful or unlawful. It gives the principles. But it is for personal prudence to judge their application on a case-by-case basis. As for the considerations outside this question of the licitude according to the source and preparation of the vaccine, they are on the order of personal opinions. Like any opinions which cannot be absolutely proven, it is vain and impossible to want to impose them on everyone. Everyone is free to have their opinion on the origin of Covid-19, on the way in which it has been managed in various places, on the vaccination policy of a particular country, on vaccination in general; but all these elements do not change the moral conclusion given here.

[@georgerenner2513]

Don't be confused! Our Lady will keep you! Pray your Rosary as she asked of us at Fatima!

[@wynbrown7321]

The experts everywhere can talk till the cows come home. I will have my choice.

[@beataannakopec8115]

Il paragone tra omicidio e aborto non regge, in quanto l'omicidio di un innocente è percepito come un male assoluto e condannato in tutto il mondo, mentre l'abominio dell'aborto è riconosciuto come un diritto, un diritto di uccidere un innocente.

[@tonitoni1897]

That is the baptism of Satan.

[@metrocustomer7941]

Taking the sacrament of s*t*n under the skin...as sr.miriam says training wheels for the bigmark under the skin...

[@mariaf4402]

I would have loved to have your response but you just make unpopular comments disappear

[@marienolan8421]

Hmm. Still unclear.

[@bozo2854]

The cornea example would only be true had the deceased already given permission to use his body after death... no fetus gave permission to use their cells. As for the Panthéon example, did the Catholic Church steal these pagan temples, or were pagan converted, was there some type of compensation for these buildings, or was the church in the business of taking them over by force?

[@bozo2854]

Upon listening again, Fr gives the example of receiving a donated mosque for the building of a church. The key word is “donate”, the fetus donated nothing. I would hope that father and Catholic Answers sees that taking the cornea from a murdered man without his prior consent would make stripping that same man of his wallet or belongings in his home just as legitimate, would it not?

[@juliebaker2221]

Medical people have stated that they do harvest organs from dead people. They will declare a person brain dead, then harvest from them while still alive, without pain blockers! A person who was declared brain came awake when they started cutting him open! Be warned that hospitals make thousands of dollars on transplanting a donors organs, while alive to a patient.

[@bozo2854]

@@juliebaker2221 this is true, however I believe the cornea can be harvested after death. Someone correct me if I’m wrong.

[@nocompromisecatholicfaithful]

Wow, it is true that comments that point out the error of Fr's stance here are scrubbed out of the commentary. Awful!

[@bozo2854]

No I don’t think so , at least I posted some questions below and they are still there. Not answered though. One wonders why the 30 pieces of silver were rejected when Judas returned them, I mean if all was good they could have just kept it.

[@angelaspear4662]

My Jesus crucified, have mercy on us!!!

[@lukefacciolo1881]

Sounds like Father has to choose his words wisely.... can't blame him look at all out good preists that speak out. God bless you father your msg still comes across....pray ,stay traditional ,give our souls to the lord, let our Queen Mother protect us

[@DanSuolo]

But what did you hear the father say? Did the father say is it okay or isn't it okay to take the shot

[@godefroybaudricourt2974]

What happens to all the good priests that speak out? A critical tweet? Is truth so scary that we are terrorised by opinions ?

[@Starla-zy9le]

@@DanSuolo He said it's OK.

[@godefroybaudricourt2974]

Prudence, coming from the mouth of an SSPX priest is often a weapon of mass destruction. Pontius Pilate also 'prudently' washed his hands of having to make the right decision.

[@elzbietapoomska9988]

Straszny wykład! Niczym papież Franciszek! Sami pozbywacie się godności pasterzy!

[@hermitebud8854]

Do you smell something Fishy from his ideas...? Trying to escape well informed issues.

[@pspears4741]

Alternate opinions are heavily censored.

[@mtada347]

If I am high risk, why must I sacrifice my life? I have Cerebral Palsy.

[@jwm6314]

You mustn't. You must listen to your conscience and your reason. No matter your choice for yourself, you must respect the choices others make within their conscience and reason. That's it. That's all. Shot or no shot, Christ's law is clear, and I will still love you for the sake of God's love for you, and those who cannot are listening more to their own pride than their conscience.

[@ingridlinbohm7682]

I understand your fear as I am high risk too. However I will not have what is morally wrong. Most of the people I was at school with have died due to their disabilities and I have had electric shock treatment to save my life twice due a bad heart. What I have had to learn that being afraid of dying destroys the life we have. Bizarrely I have gained peace due to the present situation and deciding not to do what the church has considered wrong in her past statements. Only since 2005 has the church officials seen to differ. Even Pope John Paul ll was sound on this issue. What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his own soul. Let's pray for each other as we stumble on the way to Jesus. Best wishes.

[@lilianfernandes1198]

When Christ returns will there be any faith? Pray pray pray for our priests

[@marypatten9655]

Psalms 91. God has spoken to us all. Oh ye of little faith. Mathew 6:30 Speak into existance. Isaiah 55:11 Speak your victory over this and all illness. In the name of Jesus. Cast it out from yourselves. Praying for us all to stay well. In Jesus name. Amen.

[@josefinaponciano-albis4706]

Sorry Father but i disagree with you. Before you make pronouncements for all your followers you should have invited independent true experts as cpvid 19 vaccine hesitants and a vaccine pushers.

[@timcusack9388]

the SSPX is not the authority within the Church. It cannot authorize any boycotting of the vaccines officially. that's why he kept referring to each priest is free to have and express his opinion outside the pulpit.

[@confiteordeo3863]

@@timcusack9388 Why outside the pulpit. Can't he express it from the pulpit?

[@StJohnPaulXXIII]

Please don't get your channel cancelled

[@kierandillon1833]

Father right is right and wrong is wrong don't bend it.

[@lovepeace9780]

Pls.pray the rosary and devine mercy chaplet to free all countries from war, diseases, calamities, hunger, corruption, drugs, prostitution, abortion,homosexuality,pornography,euthanasia, divorce, child abuse,terrorism,slavery, corruption, communism and all evils.pls pray for peace and joy in all families and home .... ...

[@metrocustomer7941]

Yes, The ROSARY is the answer Our Lady

[@metrocustomer7941]

The answer Our Lady has given time after time is the Rosary...with it we can assist her in crushing the head of the serpent (it is she not he in Gen.3:15 , see the unchanged Douay Rheims Bible!)

[@jaywalker7622]

Divine mercy is heretical

[@TheHMD19]

@@jaywalker7622 so you must be heretical..lol

[@edwarda3992]

Follow the money. The real question is, who accepted the ppp money and what did they have to agree to in order to get it?

[@hermitebud8854]

Regulate power of the Presidents not to Coerce Right of the people To Life, to live and to move.

[@policarpioragos7895]

As Catholic, we need your spiritual/moral guidance, so that Truth will prevail..My faith in our Lord Jesus protect me from the virus without vaccine...Inmy opinionFather ,if you will only seek the help of our many Catholic Doctors, Scientist& medical experts...then you can guide all of us to the right way ....Lord Jesus is the Way....

[@rosemarykender9672]

Father Pagliarani,the Holy Trinity and the Virgin Mary are with you, thanks for bring the truth to our Souls, the devil biggest work is to destroy the Faith in God and implant the confusion, we must pray the Holy Rosary for the purification of our Church and for all the unfaithful priests who distributing the Holy Eucharist in the hand and restricted the Holy Communion in the tongue. From Fairfield, Connecticut

[@tomstulc9143]

Not complicated issue just tough to stall tall against evil. Everytime you hear the words "it's complicated" translation I'm going lie and back stab

[@Mauriforex]

The comparison between murder and abortion does not hold up, as the murder of an innocent is perceived as an absolute evil and condemned all over the world, while the abomination of abortion is recognized as a right, a right to kill an innocent.

[@MarkelBeverley]

That is a comparison of perception not definition.

[@LexOrandi-jz7xb]

NEO-SSPX

[@breakthroughmadeinusa9184]

Eventually a time will come when they have no choice and when they do I hope they appoint like 10.

[@dominusvobiscum8820]

Can anyone see my comment? I think I'm shadow banned. Ugh

[@godefroybaudricourt2974]

Yes I see it

[@princessorig1]

See u

[@JohnDoe-wf7ep]

It didn't seem that complicated.

[@davidmassey8276]

Excellent Fr Pagliarani, thank you. God bless and protect you and the SSPX.

[@michaelreardon6528]

Keep deleting people's comments, and others, like me, will cease given money to the SSPX.

[@josef.r.5345]

Why are comments being deleted? I think it’s YT.

[@whowantstoknow2617]

No point boycotting the SSPX when KZbin deletes your comments. Makes no sense to me...

[@3ggshe11s]

It's not SSPX; it's KZbin.

[@mariemiller8740]

KZbin does delete things

[@lln1513]

It’s You tube delete your comments

[@timcusack9388]

KZbin is trash, cant say V*ccine or C*void or x related in the comments. Especially how the comment section is important on this topic.

[@skypilot7162]

They SSPX guidance in a nutshell: "if you have a grave reason (i.e. lose your job otherwise), you can get shot without sinning". Okay, what if I don't have a grave reason? Say I just want to be left alone and be able to fit in. Is it still morally permissible? If not, why not? I have never heard this addressed.

[@SSPX]

Material cooperation in evil is when there is some concurrence with the evil of another without at all sharing in the evil intention of the other. Selling a crowbar to a known bank robber would would be material cooperation. Material cooperation may be proximate or remote. In material cooperation in the another’s evil we are performing a human act distinct from the sinful human act and with distinct motive or intention. The more proximate the concurrence (the closer we are to the evil) and the greater the evil in question, the greater the duty to avoid cooperation in the evil and therefore a greater motive is needed to cooperate in the evil. If there is not sufficient reason for material cooperation, we would commit at least some sin by cooperating (whether mortal or venial). The famous moralist Dominic Prummer explains: "Material cooperation to the sin of another is licit provided there is a sufficient cause, and a right intention" (“Cooperatio materialis ad peccatum alterius aliquando licita est, dummodo adsit sufficiens causa et recta intentio.”) - Manuale Theologiae Moralis, Tomus I, Prummer, D. Herder, 1958 # 619) The obvious corollary of this is that it would be illicit, failing a sufficient cause.

[@skypilot7162]

@@SSPX Thank you for the definition. However, I think the example given (selling a crowbar to a known bank robber) fails in comparison. In the case of the shot, we are not giving, but receiving "goods" from the evil. It would be more like if the Church (let's even say the SSPX) were to accept money from a known bank robber. For the purposes of our example, this bank robber is known to have collaborated with a great many other criminals in an organized crime ring. He has amassed great wealth over the years and become a kingpin in charge of a bunch of lower level hoodlums. He has never been punished for his crimes, nor has he shown any remorse, but he claims not to have personally robbed a bank in decades. The SSPX REALLY needs the money, it's been decades since this donor admits to having robbed a bank, so it seems by the principles given the society would accept it. These huge pharma companies are widely known to have committed crimes against humanity all throughout their existence. They are run by evil men promoting evil agendas. They love abortion, contraception, and every globalist agenda under the sun. It is gravely dangerous to accept anything from them. And then SSPX chooses only to look at the abortion taint question. There are FAR more concerns about the long term effects of the shot on one's body, to included infertility, genetic alteration, and blood clotting.

[@catalinaestrada3679]

Thank you Father Pagliarani and FSSPX. Viva Cristo Rey y Santa María de Guadalupe!!

[@janetbaker1945]

Oh, this is an old broadcast! That's why it doesn't cover more! Sorry!

[@Mari-fe7wu]

Was tbe people sitting to the left catholic answers?

[@SSPX]

The central most speaker on the left is Christopher Check, who is the President of Catholic Answers. He spoke at the 2021 Angelus Press Conference.

[@sarahwey8034]

Fanciful story: The hero must acquire the blood of an innocent baby for the witch to create the potion to save his princess. He has someone else do the dirty deed , so he can so his "good" deed

[@nancyanngambino1053]

Bishop Fellay would not agree with this priest.

[@TheHMD19]

Then where is he in taking the right stand and informing the lay people like Abp. Vigano and Bishop Schneider?

[@zaigvent4136]

Non ! toute l'humanité n'est pas atteinte !!! seulement les peuples occidentaux décadents !

[@silviateresitacabrera8344]

Very clear Father!!!!!!!!Thanks a Lot foto tour words!!!!!!!!!!

[@silviateresitacabrera8344]

(for your words)

[@mariandamsel1400]

12 min. mark, appears to be a cop-out.

[@confiteordeo3863]

So grateful for the SSPX to reflect the papal line on these vaccines. Thank you Father

[@MRGAMAJAVRDDJB]

Thank you for this conference In my own thoughts the name THE WORD "ABORTION" HAS TO BE REPLACE BY MURDER MASSACRE KILLING OF THE BEGINNING OF LIFE. 😇I ask GOD I beseech THEE TO INTERVENE in this MASS MURDERS ... CRUCIFIXION OF NEW LIFE Amen.

[@lepantolepanto3848]

Il vostro parlare sia si si e no no tutto il resto viene dal maligno. Pachamama sia con voi.

[@Michael-yl9bj]

Yes.

[@SSPX]

Fr. Pagliarani explains why the opposite is true - and that it is a matter of prudence.

[@Undermarysmantleforever]

Why is my comment not being posted SSPX, I am going tomorrow to visit and perhaps a priest in person can explain, maybe he can post it for me.

[@SSPX]

We moderate comments. Thanks!

[@elsieabad6008]

I think he flunked his summa in Econe..

[@Seethi_C]

What does the summa say about cooperation with evil?

[@Latarniczka]

To make the long story short, Father says: if you want to continue to work, travel, etc, you are fully justified to get the jab. Pity such a simple message needed such long and contorted speech.

[@mattymuso2108]

It needed to be long so it can change the minds of those like myself who were previously unconvinced. If he had just come out and said it, I wouldn't have had a change of perspective on this issue.

[@kimberlyriddell8574]

I don't think travel is a grave need

[@equalizertime188]

YOU BOW TO MAN AND YOUR NOT PUTTING YOUR FAITH IN JESUS WE DON'T BOW TO MAN

[@toshibahomeschool5704]

You make it short by cutting the big thing. Why dont you listen again and pay att! What Plagliarani is saying is that dont focus on a medical/personal prudence issue and ger lost the whole picture issue. It is an invitation to contemplate.

[@user-ht9fr6eh9u]

Phizer did not use fetal cells in making of or production of vaccine but was tested using cell line as they all are. Astra uses fetal cells in development and making of and testing of. Basically the phizer is most remote. I have question I wonder if jabs we had when we were children. when we went abroad, when we have anesthetic ie dentists etc etc are all tainted

[@greatpretender83]

You are correct but remote or not is evil and promotes more evil aka more abortions.

[@Kitiwake]

@@greatpretender83 theologians have told us that remote is theologically acceptable.

[@MissPatty1040]

@@Kitiwake that’s like saying vote for the lesser of two evils. You end up with evil. Take a look around

[@greatpretender83]

@@Kitiwake Everyone will have to respond to the Lord including "theologians".

[@FrozenGator]

@@Kitiwake what theologians? The same of Vatican the second and the new mass?

[@virgiliofilho5013]

👏👏👍💪

[@cbysngr1]

Just read through all the comments. Who knew there were so many trained theologians out there who have all the answers?? Dom Davide obviously should have consulted the Society of KZbin Commentors before making his speech.

[@josefinaponciano-albis4706]

I have been attendi g mass in SSPX. I noticed that you don't believe what is written in Joel 3:1-2. The reason why you are not updates on recent heavenly messages that will somehow guide us what to do in cases like you're talki g about.

[@donaldmorgan9149]

Thank you Father Pagliarani for your clarity.

[@gamingjoy2438]

I know very well when knowledge and it’s application that once was given a benevolent solution... then is weaponized...I argue then that at the core it is a fundamental principle and that is “blood sacrifice “ when one study sacred and pagan rituals in line with the genotype and phenotype information on it ... we found that is something of great value on it... the spirit of the person... then one can also say that Jesus Blood was the same of the one of those who serve pagan gods...Let’s not be ignorant neither of the abomination of the fallen Angels and the “corruption “ of the blood. That being said... yes this is intrinsically related to biblical principle.

[@speculumiustitiae8571]

I would say that another example of the material cooperation would be cashier selling contraceptives. While contraception is intrinsically evil, it is not in all cases a sin to cooperate with this evil by selling contraceptives at the cashier (it would be otherwise if the person owned a store, but if he is only a worker, there is no sin). This is confirmed by traditional (preconciliar) moral theology manuals, such as that of Herbert Jone: "Clerks in a drug store may never advise customers in the purchase of contraceptives, but to keep their positions they may sell these things to those that ask for them."

[@greatpretender83]

@@ssoldie5490 Well done sister. Better send them to confession.

[@speculumiustitiae8571]

@@ssoldie5490 Very glad to hear that, but my point is that it isn't a sin in every case (as confirmed by Jone).

[@ingridlinbohm7682]

Herbert Jone is wrong. This was exactly the advice given to nurses killing the handicapped in Nazi Germany. It is wrong advice! Franz Jägerstätter showed us how to respond when asked to co-operate with evil.

[@FrozenGator]

This is true for the nurse that gives the vaccine, the one receiving the vaccine is like the one purchasing the contraceptive.

[@speculumiustitiae8571]

@@ingridlinbohm7682 You really have no scruple to say that approved preconciliar moral theologian was wrong and you base that on your own judgement? Imagine how chaotic theology would be if all men acted in this way... That certainly isn't the same as nurses killing the handicapped, since murder is intrinsically evil act and using immorally produced product isn't intrinsically evil act.

[@yumuripol6236]

Bravoooooo

[@builthardjock]

Brilliant Superior general well said he is going to be appointed for Life in SSPX.

[@PraytheRosaryEveryDay]

God forbid anyone to be appointed for life. Even Archbishop Lefebvre, our Founder, was not for life.

[@CatholicK5357]

We use things every day that were obtained by the Allies through finding the results of Nazi experiments. We apply this same principle with these things, that there was no direct participation.

[@kwkw5711]

Also what about clothes we wear produced in sweatshops, food by people paid very little in poor conditions, diamonds that fund war etc etc etc. There is evil everywhere.

[@FrozenGator]

Like what? I keep hearing that but not an specific example. In the case of the vaccines tested and developed using embryonic stem cells obtain by abortions, there is a direct link, not just knowledge. Is there such an example of a medicine that was developed by the Nazi that we used right now?

[@barbakan6432]

Let's stop breathing!!!

[@katiaflores6019]

May God bless Father Pagliarani!🙏🏻 clearly the fraternity must be cautious.

[@mariaale7349]

🙏🙏🙏

[@Matias-op3nv]

Most moral objections to taking the vaccine are based on emotion - this is totally understandable since we’re talking about abortion-tainted vaccines. However, the proper way of knowing whether something is morally permissible or not is to use reason - specifically Thomistic theology and philosophy. You may not like what Fr Paglariani had to say but his is a reasoned approach. Catholics can take the vaccine if they want without fear of having committed a sin.

[@ingridlinbohm7682]

This is not a Thomist answer.

[@Matias-op3nv]

@@ingridlinbohm7682 not so: even Thomas Aquinas noted that in our concrete and practical lives we would sometimes be faced with scenarios where it might be justifiable to bring about a foreseeable but unintended evil in pursuit of a legitimate good. According to Aquinas, any action that produces both good and bad effects may be morally justified only if the good effect of the action is what is intended by the individual.

[@skywriter9359]

No. It’s not emotion. It’s the Holocaust of unborn babies: logic is simple. God created each of us in his likeness and being. God is clear that we should not murder. Accordingly we are murdering God’s children before they are born. Does any believer think God thinks it’s ok to murder children he has knit in the mother’s womb? No.

[@edwarda3992]

Yes, of course! How noble. Let's sacrifice the young and innocent to save the old. Does something seem a little upside down here? Sounds a lot like the reasoning Novis Ordo's use to justify using contraception.

[@Matias-op3nv]

@@skywriter9359 I’m not saying abortion is permissible nor is Fr Paglariani. This debate is about whether it is ever okay to take a vaccine that is linked to abortion. If you say: “no because abortion is evil” that’s an emotional response.

[@virginiaevans3046]

Heavy accent gets in he way.

[@rodrigorecaredo9632]

Monolingual world problems

[@Chamindo7]

That is what you take from this faithful priest who serves the Most High God?

[@VoxCantoris]

I understood every word.

[@jwm6314]

This man has forgotten more words in more languages than you know exist. Your ignorance is the only thing getting in your way.

[@peterf7821]

Use the closed caption function i.e. select the CC in the you left and it will bring up subtitles. No-one can help their accent.