The Surgery That Proved There Is No Free Will

[@Godsbane]

I once had a migraine whilst walking through a shopping mall. I didn't experience any pain, but one of the strangest experiences of my life occurred. The mall on my left side was completely unoccupied - or so I thought - until suddenly someone appeared in the center of my vision and crossed over to my right hand side. Then it happened again. People were appearing out of nothing, out of this empty mall, and those who crossed from my right side to my left vanished. My brain was mapping out my surroundings. It filled in the missing mall that I maybe couldn't see because of my migraine's aura. But it couldn't map out the moving people until I saw them on my right hand side. It was one of the most surreal moments of my life and I was worried that maybe I was having a stroke. I pretty much immediately saw a doctor and she said that it was much more likely to be a migraine. I get migraines, but I had never had that happen to me before, and it has never happened again (it happened about 20 years ago). After the shock and worry wore off, I just thought, the brain is an amazing thing. And practically everything could be an illusion or hallucination of a brain telling you that everything is completely normal.

[@pippa3150]

I have had 2 ocular migraines that put crazy shapes in my vision and made things look smoky/cloudy but nothing like you had! Scary! Glad you're OK!

[@zk4761]

@@pippa3150 Yeah I have had migraines where it appears like I'm in my perception of heaven with light coming from above and everything was blurry and bright. I was in a mall, I found a bench in a store that wasn't visible to traffic and slept for 3 hours. No way I could drive in that condition.

[@TedSeeber]

Try being on I5 driving when suddenly three lanes turn into 12- complete with duplicate copies of all the semi trucks.

[@zyzyx4157]

If you thought that was cool (in hindsight) you might enjoy psychedelics. It’s nice to access the alternate reality without thinking youre having a stroke!

[@DarkElfDiva]

You didn't have to specify it was 20 years ago. I could tell that by the fact you said you were in a mall with people in it.

[@davidbock2863]

When my son was about 6 and got into some trouble he said "My brain made me do it". Thanks for bringing back this memory.

[@cavalieroutdoors6036]

To be fair - he wasn't wrong.

[@liquidsonly]

Calvin "My brain is trying to kill me".

[@ggarber4763]

I think my favorite kid speak was how a friend explained to his mother why he was in a swimming pool in dress clothes--"I fell in accidentally on purpose."

[@dankomancer]

@@ggarber4763 haha and they mean the whole sentence, too

[@Lightning_Lance]

From what I understand the going theory is that a kid's mind doesn't fully coalesce until ~8 years old. Before then, they basically have multiple personalities that all have different ways of exploring the world. It's possible your son meant that another part of their mind took control and made him do it

[@AnomalyINC]

For those who, like me, just wanted to get to the point of how any of this disproves free will: It doesn't disprove free will, the title is clickbait to get views, and it works. It's still interesting stuff, well worth watching, but don't expect the elusive truth of consciousness to finally be revealed in a KZbin video.

[@skiderrunner]

And this is why I went to the comments first. Thank you.

[@manavjitsinghdhaliwal2478]

You are amazing thank you!

[@mmediocahyt1170]

yeah this doesn’t disprove free will at all, but the laws of physics don’t allow libertarian free will to exist

[@matthewclark1857]

​@@mmediocahyt1170This is a blatant lie

[@mmediocahyt1170]

@@matthewclark1857 feel free to make a counter argument. I’ll elaborate on what i mean. Your brain is matter (fact) and all your thoughts, emotions and desires are physical events occurring within your brain (fact). If we break it down to the particulate level, we know that every single event is either influenced by another event and this causal chain eventually terminates outside of your brain (you can’t control something that’s part of a chain of events that began outside of your brain) or it terminates into something with no prior cause, but then it’s random and you don’t control randomness. Superposition doesn’t counter this and emergence doesn’t counter this, they still all adhere to the laws of physics. There’s no evidence of a spirit or soul and no evidence that anything immaterial can influence the material. So you’re left with an organic computer that’s ultimately programmed by its environment

[@FunnCubes]

0:19 Incorrect. I added it to my watch later playlist about 3 weeks ago. The decision was made so long ago, that I don't even remember clicking the video, therfore it's predestined fate.

[@pablopotato.c]

Same. But what made you come to your watch later list and click this piece now? I mean to say that you and I could've been doing something completely different in the time.

[@oVENOMo.]

SaME BRO

[@DEGROOT-if9ol]

Uh yeah...no you DECIDED TO! a mindless robot doesnt decide what to do on its own if it has no free will. You arent a robot

[@ceyyro1844]

ahahahha, same i literally clicked on this video weeks ago, watched 5 minutes of it, then 500 web tabs later i came back to clear it finally...

[@Matt-O117-SV]

Likewise. I've had this on my to-do list for weeks,, mostly because I want some background material for a DNI concept I'm working on.

[@TheNeatwork]

I don't know why but I got a little emotional when he said the left hand started trying to help the right hand do something it was struggling with. Like sometimes our unified brain has a hard time showing compassion for ourselves, and this split brain still found it somehow.

[@LittleBlueOwl318]

THIS!

[@shaansingh6048]

I mean we literally do this all the time as unified brains, the left hand holds the paper while the right hand writes…

[@Plethorality]

I get migraines a lot and my left hamd is so used to helping my right hand do stuff when my right side is not responding to instructions.

[@patientzero8130]

When i heard that I heard it more as, “ok moron let me show you how to do this since you’re too dumb to do it yourself”

[@Bleacher22]

It has nothing to do with a compassion. It sounds like you're not getting as much compassion as you want.

[@noahingram2120]

There is a saying I will paraphrase roughly from the original language into English: "Thoughts are like birds, we can't choose if they land on our head but we decide whether we let them build a nest in our hair"

[@KelseyHigham]

i like this! what language is it from?

[@noahingram2120]

@@KelseyHigham Originally I heard it from German!

[@damonedwards1544]

Allow your thoughts to come and go, but don't offer them tea.

[@grizzlygrizzle]

One can engage in exercises that develop the capacity for more creative thinking, i.e., the occurrence of more frequent novel thoughts..

[@Mutantcy1992]

There's a deeper saying which is man can do as he wills but cannot will what he wills

[@AnuragSawant-k1o]

I have ADHD and I have a major execution problem where I cannot choose to being a task whenever I want, and or I fail to execute a task in the given time window. My disorder has impaired my ability to choose to do a certain task irrespective of the interest I have for it. It a strange feeling to live with and a highly impossible situation to explain to someone. Sometimes when I am interested in a certain thing, I just cannot stop myself from working and perfecting the task but if I have no interest there isn't a power in the world that can make me do it for the sake of it. It's such a helplessness that almost feels like I am a passenger in the journey of my own life. I have been on therapy for a year, and it has helped me to build mechanisms to build discipline, but it is so flimsy that a moderate life event can break open all my routines and scaffoldings for a daily life and throw me into chaos. Sometimes I wonder If I have any power to choose my fate or am I destined to go with the flow.

[@CagedLeo]

This really resonates with me! I wasn’t diagnosed with ADHD until later in life, it’s still a struggle to come to terms with my neurodivergence, but at least the diagnosis was validating. I find that Dialectical Behavioral Therapy (DBT) really helps me to put things in perspective. Highly recommended

[@darkriku12]

​@@CagedLeo I thought CBT is more effective for ADHD to help manage in the moment thoughts, loops,and executive functions, and as DBT is more for personality or mood disorders?

[@courtb9684]

I’m medicated and have been in therapy for years. Your words are so damn Accurate it hurts. That’s the absolute worst part of ADHD, all the executive dysfunction in the world is nothing compared to losing good coping skills you’ve learned and painstakingly taught yourself. They shatter like so much glass when life gets stressful and you lose the will to get them back in place.

[@mammajamma4397]

We have the same experience. I've recently decided to stop fighting it and let my brain fully drive my body. I don't tell anyone about this in my personal life bc I know they think it's BS and that I'm just lazy.

[@toastheaven]

​@@darkriku12 as someone with ADHD who's used both, I find DBT is more helpful because with CBT, my Justification Module has a really easy time just ignoring the CBT strategies, where DBT lets you externalize the justification process in a way that lets you be a more active participant and really helps cement healthier outcomes. Thanks to this vid for helping give me the terms to explain what Ive struggled to articulate about dbt for a while now!

[@2fortsmostwanted]

I'm an artist, and when conditions are just right I can get into what's called a "flow state," where half your mind is making the piece of art but the other half is occupied with something completely different, like listening to a podcast or having a conversation. Both of these activities are given equal attention but I don't feel like I'm paying conscious attention to the art I'm making, it's just being made in front of me. I think it's a way of letting the right hemisphere and the left hemisphere do separate activities at the same time, something that artists can learn to do with practice. Like two friends hanging out in the same room, one of them playing video games and the other one reading a book, but they're still hanging out together. Sometimes it's funny how the brain works when you get so deep into flow state: I'll be interrupted in the middle of listening to a podcast because I "involuntarily" got up and went to grab art supplies, and I won't remember what I'm looking for, but my right brain did for a moment.

[@turtlelefly5716]

that could also be why a lot of students that draw in their free time say that they "draw better" when they're in class. and i can say that about note taking too. I'm the type to take down notes in class non-stop but most of the time i don't think about what I'm writing. i just transfer everything i hear onto the paper and just make it more fluid by adding shapes/colors/connections to it. it only makes sense when i come back to it later and connect everything on paper to my brain :) I'm just in awe by how many examples of this there are!

[@paulfalke6227]

I'm no artist. Maybe I get the state sometimes while I am dancing in a "dance trance". Strangest experience of all: having a "dance trance" together with my dance partner. Can be a longtime friend, can be a stranger.

[@KanuKanu11]

So like maladaptive day dreaming?

[@ETHowie1]

I often feel this when I’m driving

[@haste2]

That's not a flow state, flow state is where you're 100% concentrated on one thing until the rest disappears

[@nbvehbectw5640]

Imagine being the right half of the brain after the surgery. Suddenly you are unable to talk, but you hear your mouth saying you're fine, and you don't have any control over it. You try to communicate using the left hand, which you do have control over, by messing with the right hand. But your silent screams are simply brushed off by saying "huh, that's interesting" and other justifications. Must be super scary.

[@bagelj7011]

YOU GET IT!!! there's two people in there! but if the left isn't experiencing any fear (or doesnt express any) I don't see why the right would be. they dont even know they're separate

[@shaansingh6048]

@@bagelj7011true. Sure the right brain can’t talk, but the left brain can’t solve puzzles and doesn’t see the problem…

[@dripapproved1582]

I don’t believe the right side has the equipment to be emotional. It’s the same brain it just shares tasks between each other because it’s more efficient than having a giant mass of neurons all fighting over how to react/respond to the same signal. “Brain said it’s my turn to use the human!”

[@irrevenant8724]

You're personifying part of your brain - a part of your thought process. It's not a complete person separate from yourself. It doesn't have its own separate ability to be scared. Remember the bit in the video where one side of the brain was shown a person burning in fire and the *person as a whole* felt nervous and uncomfortable as a result?

[@juanangelninogomez2800]

​@@irrevenant8724that could be because of hormones, the side of the brain exposed to the stimuli triggered the fight or flight response and since they can't comunicate with each other, the other side of the brain didn't know where it was coming from, it just suffered the physiological effects of the alarm, and it only caused feelings of discomfort and uneasiness, and the brain without any clear danger in sight and only the chemicals signaling to get ready for one, applied said response to everything, remember he also said the girl said she didn't know why she felt that way and blamed the room, the other people, and so.

[@jerrik-415]

Oh hey, it's me! But mine was not from an injury or surgery, my corpus callosum just doesn't work, and never did. I'm a bifurcated personality, and my hemispheres communicate through other areas of my brain. It's like I'm two people in the one driver seat. Like having an/two imaginary friends but I'm actually both people. We literally talk out everything I do. Thought I was normal until people talked about their inner dialog and I was like "yeah I hate it when we can't agree on if we like a food, but it's great being able to teach each other stuff" and everyone else was like "wat?" I hear the word of the things I see, which makes loud environments more difficult to see, unless the loud is music. But I can learn two different subjects at once, which made university rather trivial. I have more poems about bookkeeping than the world really needs...and yes, getting dressed is a real chore sometimes...

[@CelAbration]

This is endlessly fascinating. Do you both dream? Do you have deep talks with each other when you relax/at night? What about music; does one prefer it over the other?

[@jerrik-415]

​@@CelAbration I've done sleep studies (with the ERG I think, the wires on the head) that showed I alternate distinctly different REM periods, so yeah I suppose "we" do dream separately, but dreams are so weird I don't know if it's really different. (my psychologist is more interested in this part than I am, so she gets me into studies and scans for free a few times a year). Yes, "we" talk each other to sleep, I have to do it in order to wind down and fall asleep. When I was in university this was the time I would explain the two different subjects to each other (and why I was able to get my undergrad in 3 years while working). If I don't do it, I can actually stay awake (useful sometimes) for about 3 days before hallucinating, which I think is an about average amount of time, but I can talk myself out of the hallucinations so I don't do anything foolish. I could also get to sleep with physical exertion without the conversation, but I will literally forget what happened the previous day until someone reminds me of it and I'll be able to vaguely recall it, like I watched it on TV weeks ago. Music, yeah I need either a good story/lyrics, or great flow, and not both. So; karaoke songs or EDM, and very little in between. Similar issues with movies, and who to date, and foods, and clothing (I just have two wardrobes now), and cars (I have a car and a pickup now) and bed (I have a bed and a hammock so I can switch) and hobbies (so so many hobbies)... therapist thought I was just a very strange ADHD, but nah, just two different goals/opinions on everything I do. As far as trying to make music, I can't do any instrument that requires both hands even though I have the dexterity to do other skills requiring both hands. I can solder or thread a needle with ease, but I can't play a recorder. I can keep a beat on a drum, and rock a harmonica or pan flute, but as soon as I try to introduce the other hand I'm out of sync.

[@notgump1312]

As someone who works in healthcare, this is incredibly interesting for me to read.

[@jerrik-415]

@PaulB_864Nah I'm more integrated than a traditional split-brain. I'll just get dressed like normal but I'll miss match like crazy. Like not just mismatched colors and textiles, but mismatched seasons. Like insulated jeans and a crop top, or shorts and a parka, on average I feel like the temperature is just fine so I don't notice how insane I look. I had to put a smart-mirror near the front door so I can see the weather and my calendar and what I'm actually wearing before I leave the house.

[@jerrik-415]

@@notgump1312 I mostly see the same world you do, I just have two opinions on it.

[@Amm6ie]

"my ideas arent my identity & it's a lot easier to change your mind on something if it isn't tied to your identity" i absolutely love that (edit bc i cant spell lol)

[@gingerpickett6958]

Very relevant now, right before the election. The amount of times I’ve heard “I’m liberal” or “I’m a Republican”. Imagine if we all thought “Why is my brain making justifications for the fact that I’m voting for this politician?”

[@Heyu7her3]

​@@gingerpickett6958 it's called "cognitive bias" (also "heuristics")

[@funfunfun3624]

Its wild how an idea can be tied to your identity

[@raijin7707]

lmao I typo all the time, and still get thumbs up, it's a pain when I have to do a 180 and fix mistakes 🤣

[@di-raled]

my spelling is so poor, i had to turn off autocorrect because it was always way off

[@UvaDub]

From someone that has suffered a lot with the concept of identity + bpd's emotion dysfunction that comes with harsh decision making times, I gotta say: this is now my favorite video on this platform. My left-hemisphere-gnome is very satisfied, thank you very much.

[@queen-patches233]

"my ideas aren't my identity" hits hard

[@LuisSierra42]

Your identity is also an artificial construct, that's why some people with very little self-awareness can change positions on topics very fast

[@1kreature]

Not really. But it is an interesting insight and leads me to believe there may be different scenarios for different people. I for one get ideas that almost exclusively match what I look at as my identity and who I am. To hear that someone says they don't is interesting and a bit worrying.

[@VikingTeddy]

@@1kreatureIt took me until I was about 20 years old before I started seeing my self from the outside, and started being able to analyze myself like I did other people. Initially I felt slightly self conscious about having lived life as if on a pair of tracks, without conscious input, just reacting without understanding. Later I realised that a significant number of people never "wake up", and sleepwalk through life, which really bummed me out. As an old fart I've come to understand that it's a lot more nuanced, and this video gave me the words I didn't have before and has made me less dumb :)

[@petermiesler9452]

@@1kreature How about looking at it from the perspective that your body/brain interacting with environment produces your mind. It's your biology that creates you. Find strength in realizing you are an evolved animal, perhaps first among Earthly animals, but still an Earthly animal. How about: Your body and its experience creates who you are.

[@1kreature]

@@petermiesler9452 That's just it. No news then. Been operating under that assumption for over 20 years. I do understand however that many have not and are not. It is still a bit worrying.

[@sgregg5257]

20 years ago I fell off a mountain. As I fell, my mind seemed to split into two people. One was literally screaming for my mom. The other was calm and thinking so this is how I am going to die. The calm part could hear the screaming but it was like listening to another person. I did not die, but as the rope snapped tight and I stopped falling. The two me's continued to exist for a while. Then there was some mental reset button and I had no idea who I was or where I was, or what I was. I was just existing. Then it all came back together. That was the worst and best day of my life. I was basically high as a kite for 24 hours on all the endorphins.

[@breannathompson9094]

This is basically a form of structural dissociation so your brain could process the trauma. Look up PTSD and structural dissociation theory!

[@tyranmcgrathmnkklkl]

That's so weird, but in a cool way

[@WeyTheGreat]

Thanks for mentioning you survived, i was worried for a second!

[@Asdohdb]

Oh my, that is so interesting in so many ways, the brain is amazing and we truly have so much to still learn it is very exciting to think about

[@bossmusic6969]

Now imagine your mind doing that because of past trauma and it just unfold while you are sitting at work one day and you just quit your job and move back home and wonder how you almost died just from mental anguish and heartache. Like the body has a self-destruct built in for impact.

[@ynrrisky6443]

This video was very eye opening, personally I’ve struggled with decisions, understanding my emotions, and what I prioritize. It hit me when you mentioned how it affected you and how you learned to give yourself more grace for mistakes, something I’ve struggled with in my own life. I plan to put these in practice to better understand myself.

[@morganseppy5180]

Look up cognitive behavior theory if you want to use concepts in this video to change your habits or break dependence behavior.

[@asmodahlia]

As someone who has OCD and PTSD that plague me with intrusive thoughts, this is also very freeing. It reminds me that I am not my thoughts and I can more easily dismiss the horrible ones and get on with my day without ruining it.

[@raijin7707]

We do indeed have free will however associating your thoughts with who you are is a bad idea all together for several reasons. The first question you should ask is who is you? Is your body you? You and your body are separate entities, your body is just a vehicle for you to control. Such as your brain is simply a vehicle, even your mind isn't you, your mind is the software of the brain. When you strip everything away you realize nothing is you, when your body takes its last breath you are left with you. You don't get to take everything with you when the body dies and when a funeral is held it's held in memory of what everyone thought you wore *PAUSE* think deeply about what that means to you. You are not that body laying in a casket, it's a marinate puppet for you to pilot to experience life's offerings. Not only your mind records things but information is also recorded and stored within your DNA. This is why many of us carry personality characteristics from our parents or other family members despite not knowing them or not have spent enough time with them to know what their personalities are like to emulate their character. I remember before knowing my dad he used to think I was not his kid. But as I got older I looked more and more like him I had a lot of his personality traits despite not being raised by him I was so much a like him. there is far more going on around us we are just not very aware of. Like there's information we're picking up on and we receive that information in the brain and think because we had this thought it's our thoughts, we own those thoughts than and judge ourselves for them. That couldn't be any further from the truth, we do not generate all of our thoughts, however I am not sure to which degree we are picking up thoughts from the information field and how much is our own thought's we're generating but the point is you do not need to identify yourself with the thoughts. Our brain remembers things for our survival's sake and if you are constantly having negative thoughts you need to let them through and stop resisting them and fighting them. Your resistance cause them to come back and not only that but cause harm to your body. sometimes you need to feel things and let them through you so that negative energy is finally burned out, we have to process our feelings not hold onto them. If you hold onto them It'll create a block and this will in return harm your body and destroy it. Just like if you turn on the water hoes and tie it into a knot while the water is running eventually somethings going to burst, this is like your memories and negative feelings. You have to let yourself feel them and exhaust them, when their finally out of you, you will feel better. Resistance negative thoughts is like tying a knot in the water hoes while the water is running, how long can you keep that up? You are not your experiences, at your core you are love and light, but you've lost yourself in all these things you thought you wore, which brought you pain because you've created this misunderstanding of who and what you are. we are all spiritual beings, controlling this body, experiencing everything we are not to find out who and what we are.

[@gypsycat8627]

THIS

[@Heywoodthepeckerwood]

Be sure to take a shower and get yourself clean, real clean.

[@cy-one]

@@raijin7707 *"We do indeed have free will"* Citation needed.

[@he1ar1]

Well yes. If Descartes is right and that the mind and the body are 2 separate things. We are our body and are a vessel of thoughts. What precisely are our thoughts, visions and feelings is unknown. From an evolutionary perspective it is perhaps better for us that we don't know these things.

[@hippopotamusman]

I once heard a quote that stuck with me: "If the voice in your head is you... then who's listening?"

[@sheesh9050]

obv you

[@brandonhughes4076]

Also me. I sometimes even say my thoughts out loud to help me process and contextualise them. This is just sophistry.

[@ethanchan7509]

Hey, don't judge me for talking to myself

[@charmainefong9272]

You

[@_zashi]

JESUS

[@ScoutReaper-zn1rz]

One thing that always frustrates me is not being able to hold onto a thought while walking through different rooms/thresholds. I'll be in my room and think of something I want/need to do and as soon as I leave the room that the original thought occurred in, it becomes absent from my mind. It isn't until I return to the room the thought took place in that it comes back to me.

[@TheAechBomb]

that's just context switching, it's weird but it does help, usually

[@RavenStarMedia]

I remember learning that apparently the brain often stores memories by location, so that's why you forget when walking though a doorway.

[@Arcana_Jester]

That's called "The Doorway Effect" and is unfortunately pretty common. It's a short-term memory dump.

[@shadowlinkfire]

@@Arcana_Jester This is fact. However its also easy to combat. If you. Lets say you need to get a screwdriver from two rooms over. If you bring a screw with you to remind you of why you are where your at, it serves as a reminder. Maybe not preventing the memory loss but it does anchor you.

[@Oscar4u69]

we are Sims 😔

[@hoodieninja_7203]

I think the ultimate lesson here is that the brain is a bunch of very collaborative bits that often all work very well together to distribute tasks as needed, and when you start to fuck with its networking, it still does its best to keep doing that. Our actions are a collective effort from a variety of systems, which makes us very versatile in what we are capable of.

[@jeffdishong4853]

I have a cousin who had this surgery, as his seizure were getting so bad it was going to kill him. Now hes fine when it comes to epilepsy!!! He does have a couple small physical handicaps, but he’s doing great, working, finished school. Im proud of him, as I know it’s been a hell of a ride for him. Thanks!

[@nerychristian]

I've heard that people who have seizures are deficient in Glutamine

[@meina0614]

@@nerychristianglutamine is an excitatory neurotransmitter. Dont think it would help in the scenario of seizures

[@VivekYadav-ds8oz]

I am very interested how your cousin feels about this syndrome? Does he know he's affected by it? This might be really cold or heartless, but is it possible if you can ask the "right" side of your cousin if it knew of this phenomenon beforehand and was it only the left-half that is surprised by this information?

[@jeffdishong4853]

@@VivekYadav-ds8oz Bo, its not cold and heartless, its just an honest question. Of course he knew as one side of limbs are partially palsied, but he is totally mobile except for one hand. The seizures of course he knew about as they got worse and worse. Medicine was doin little, if anything at all. He is doing quite well. He works as a cook and wants to start culinary school soon. He hasnt had any bad affects from that surgery. Im grateful that good doctors helped hm so much.

[@terrie6738]

@@jeffdishong4853was he particularly paralyzed before the surgery or did the surgery make him particularly paralyzed?

[@Tonymarony5113]

I had a severe head injury in my early 30s. I'm 46 now. On the one hand, I seemed to get smarter. I was always good at fixing things and building things, but I was terrible academically. After the head injury, I became interested in so many things that I had no interest in before. I started reading,playing instruments, and seem to be able to remember so many facts and statistics. On the other hand, I stopped working out, became careless with money, started drinking and taking drugs a lot, and started taking massive risks in general. It's as if I lost impulse control. Many of my opinions on things became the opposite. I took a couple of IQ tests. One was 114, and one was 123. I have no doubt it would have been much lower beforehand. But if I could, I would go back to the way I was. I was fit and strong, self disciplined. I had lots of money and assets. My house,cars, and possessions were all neat and tidy. Now everything is a mess. Everyday things I once enjoyed doing seem pointless now. It's like I became a different person.

[@littlebitofhope1489]

Ah, so you lost some function in your Prefrontal Cortex.

[@Tonymarony5113]

@littlebitofhope1489 Losing abilities is one thing, but I also gained some. I don't understand how a head injury can do that.

[@littlebitofhope1489]

@@Tonymarony5113 That's fairly easy. When one part of the brain is damaged, other parts can compensate, and there is some repair that happens where the damage originally was. When another part of the brain has to compensate, what it is actually supposed to do may be strengthened too. Also, when you aren't using one function, other functions get stronger. It's like people who lose the use of one arm, and the other arm becomes stronger, and you can more things with it. If you are right handed and lose it, you can become left handed, and since that uses a different part of the brain, your skills may change too, even though your arm was damaged, and not your brain.

[@Tonymarony5113]

@littlebitofhope1489 That makes sense, thanks.

[@Lighttningbolt]

@@littlebitofhope1489 neuroplasticity

[@fauxclaws]

I feel like saying it's multiple consciences is a misnomer. it's multiple processing units (for lack of a better term) that work together to form one conscience. and when separated it simply causes some confusion and communication problems between units but still ultimately forms one conscience.

[@rishikeshwagh]

Yes. Agreed.

[@madeline6951]

there's a person in this comment section that experiences essentially two personalities in one brain, so you may be incorrect

[@fauxclaws]

@@madeline6951 that person has a different disorder or is exaggerating/lying because 1.other people who get the procedure don't experience that 2. if their brain was full split they literally would not be able to know they have 2 personalities as the sides can't communicate at all. this proves their brain either isn't fully split or the personalities are confined to one hemisphere (again assuming the random youtube comment is true)

[@mini-bit9260]

​@@fauxclaws i would disagree with the initial notion, specifically the part where you say they are only able to form one consciousness a full brain that has all of its parts connected will of course form what we identify as a single consciousness, but if you remove their ability to internally communicate? they obviously cannot form into a single consciousness anymore since the neuron data is not moving between them. like everything else, consciousness can be considered relative (10 divided by 2 becomes 5 rather than strictly 'half of 10' so to speak). if a neuron cluster is made unable to communicate with surrounding neuron clusters, it is then by definition (and function) multiple entities as forming a single entity is impossible, no longer able to communicate internally, and will need to opt to communicate _externally_ instead. (though of course cut a brain up too many times and the neuron clusters likely wont have enough processing power to do anything at all, evolution *did* form the brain with all of its intended counterparts for a reason) similarly i would argue that if one were to fuse a full brain with another full brain (for simplicity lets just say in a way that involves some kind of cable connected between individuals that would allow at least as many neural signals between the two as a corpus callosum does for a brain's halves), the result might start with the two individuals communicating between each other internally, but would likely end (over a long time or perhaps even immediately) with them fusing into one intelligence composed of their combined personality counterparts, making an 'individual' that would appear to have seamless control of their two bodied form in such a theoretical, the personalities of the two individuals would become more like differing thoughts and 'voices' that occur in their two body mind, very much not unlike what can happen in singular brains neurons are designed to work together, the purpose of a brain being for them to form a larger organism out of their combined processing, but for this to work in such a way, all of the neurons need to be connected

[@Freakazoid12345]

23:00

[@alcott122]

We need more people like this telling us truth! Just finished reading The 23 Former Doctor Truths by Lauren Clark. Its fascinating what they hide from society.

[@amarraa.l1]

Thanks for sharing it

[@wap300]

It's not exactly the truth though. The truth is we have no free will, period. There's just layers to how we don't have free will. The unconscious decisions and thoughts our brain produces without our supervision is the most direct layer. Then the conscious layer where we "do" have free will, we also don't. It's just a collection of our biological and environmental states, skills, knowledge and tuning, none of which we had any say in. If you really think about it, there's nothing that's "you" in any stage of the decision making, thinking or behavior. Robert Sapolsky has summed it up very well scientifically in his books, as has Sam Harris, on a more philosophical level.

[@SawyerFan.1]

Fym hide its literally publically available data..?

[@UnrealZii]

FYI this comment is literally posted all over KZbin. It's a scam promotion. Do NOT spend any money on that book.

[@hilerm2]

“But WHY did you click the video?” The chair spin, Joe, the chair spin.

[@elios2039]

I was so surprised when it happened I stood up and smiled stupidly

[@elios2039]

Then I thought this might be an old video amd I was confuses

[@thereisnospace]

that sweet sweet bongo riff

[@MijinLaw]

The free will thing is very frustrating to me, because my view is not that we don't have it, but that it doesn't even make sense conceptually. A reasoned choice but without being deterministic nor random just doesn't make sense as a thing. It's not a weakness of our universe, it doesn't make sense in any universe.

[@RunToEternity]

Nothing like having click regret for the first 30 seconds or so, not a good sign.

[@persnickety369]

If I'm remembering correctly, Kim Peek was able to use his eyes to simultaneously read two pages of books independent of one another. Each eye could read a different page. He's the man that Dustin Hoffman portrayed in Rain Man. Later, it was determined Mr Peek had FG Syndrome, not autism. I believe this was due to his brain hemispheres being independent of each other. His abilities were amazing! A true savant.

[@moddaudio]

No wonder he was such a good driver.

[@MattH-wg7ou]

I read that AH-64 Apache attack helicopter pilots/gunners eventually get to the point where they can control their eyes independently from so much use of the monocle gunsight/display. Wonder if they could read two things at once?

[@AnnoyingNewsletters]

​@@MattH-wg7ou lemme ask one ...

[@persnickety369]

@@MattH-wg7ou wow! That's amazing.

[@breannathompson9094]

Im TRYING to read two comments simultaneously at once now 😂 i can't control each eye but i can absorb a little bit with peripheral vision. It hurt my head lol

[@StefanGrambart]

I don't think anyone else mentioned "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" by Dr. Betty Edwards. I fell down the split brain rabbit hole after first reading it as an illustrator/animator in the mid-90s. What blew my mind was how the hemispheres have "favoured tasks", and you can train yourself to go into right-brain mode (which is optimal for drawing). For instance, the left hemisphere dislikes things that are upside down, but the right side is indifferent. So as an assignment we would project a photo upside down and then try to copy it. The dominant left side would try at first but would keep trying to "flip" the image. Eventually it gives up and the task is passed to the right side, and then you start to ignore what the image is (preconceptions can hinder drawing what we see) and focus on the shapes, scale, and negative spaces. There's loads of indicators that we are right brain mode; you lose a sense of time, you tune out audible distractions... I would sit down to draw and after what felt like 30min I realize it's been 2 hours and that CD (1990s, remember?) stopped playing ages ago. It's a great book and covers some interesting explanations about our relationship to drawing and how we see the world. Thanks for covering this topic and for all your amazing work!

[@nachiketn8032]

Could you suggest any other techniques or literature to trick my brain to study consistently?

[@ArgNerevarine]

Wait, so does this that for normal daily life, we're on "left hemisphere mode" and our brains switch to "right hemisphere mode" when we encounter a task that the right hemisphere is good at?

[@Haveuseenmyjetpack]

So glad you wrote this! I found the PDF, can’t wait to go through an exercise with my 7 y/o daughter tomorrow!

[@PaintedCavern]

I love that book! It really is brilliant, for anyone who wants to draw or do any kind of art it is a must read. ❤

[@mishmash86]

thanks for sharing this, definitely checking it out!

[@FIRING_BLIND]

I love the interpreter module being so confidently wrong but also being able to come up eith playsible explanations nonetheless. It's so...miraculous.

[@Butterscotch_96]

Reminds me of LLMs just confidently lying about stuff

[@MGUnger]

My daughter at 2 years old had a full CC. I say full because there are instances where they do partials. When the surgeon met us he said, "You don't even get to talk to me unless you are hurting." We were. It was no hesitant choice to do the surgery. Her life was fading from LGS a rare epileptic disorder. Since after leaving the operating room she has been seizure free. That was six years ago. Still other challenges to overcome, but this surgery literally saved my daughter's life.

[@Nazinsky]

That’s good to hear. I’m glad she’s okay and so are you ❤

[@LG-qz8om]

If you Hypnotize someone and tell them to put their shoe on the fireplace mantle anytime you touch your tie. Then wake them up. Casually talking you touch your tie. He removes his shoe and places it on the mantle. "Why did you do that?" "My shoe was damp and i thought I'd let it dry out" Let go of your tie and he puts his shoe back on "Why?" "I figured it must be dry " Touch your tie again and he says "it wasn't dry yet" The fact was that the Goal of the Mind is to always compute solutions and to always be Right. So when something illogical happens it is immediatly justified in any way to make the illogical seem logical. There is a lot more to this Research as it is further described in the book Dianetics:The Modern Science of Mental Health" Dianetics also happented to come up with a non-physical (no brain surgery just talking) process which handled each of these apparently illogical trains of thought resulting in more logical thought process , improved memories and a lot of other things (such as former allergies erasing and never coming back). Whether you believe any of this or not, it is worth reading as it helps make sense out of things people are attempting to solve mechanically (surgery) or chemically (psych drugs). The solution may be a lot simpler than one thinks. And i for one would rather give the non-permanent simple solution a try before doing anything that cannot be restored (such as surgery of any kind). For a completely new viewpoint give it a read -- Dianetics PS: I'm not pushing the subject in any way I'm just of the viewpoint I'd rather have more data and theories from which to choose rather than intentionally not looking at a certain subject out of whatever strange biases.

[@janikarkkainen3904]

@@LG-qz8om Dianetics is hogwash and a precursor to scientology. It was literally written as a start of a religion due to L. Ron Hubbard not having financial success and frustrated decided that "I'd get more money if I created a religion".

[@cantreid800]

yes my younger brother had one done too he has LGS also.

[@svenmorgenstern9506]

Wow. One of my first clients was a young man with LGS; parents opted to not have the surgery performed. In his case, he had seizures like you wouldn't believe - somewhat controlled with medications but if a human being can have a type of seizure, he had it. Learned a literal crapton about epilepsy from him, but it's a condition I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. 😢

[@pacoes1974]

My issue with the view, "we have no free will", is the definition they use to define free will. On the extreme end, the definition is that free will is having choice separate from information. Nothing can do that. We do have systems that function without cognitive processing. We have other systems that can be controlled with thought. Breathing is a classic area we do both. We can and often do breathe without thinking. We can however make a choice to breathe or even hold our breath. As I see it, automatic systems provide us rinse-and-repeat information. Wasting energy on rinse and repeat processing would limit our ability to process new information that would be more important to the system. These conscious processes are where free will functions. The examples given, just show how we process information related to making a choice. Limited information leads to bad choices, but they are still choices.

[@lourdespachla6516]

you having such thought is an example of the first definition of free will being impossible, so in my opinion, free will doesnt exist, we are shadows of 4D beings.

[@xaviertwilight7855]

well said

[@tman250]

Eloquent

[@felonyx5123]

Free will as a philosophical concept predates modern science, neurology, information theory, and widespread belief in the mind being a wholly material rather than spiritual thing. All attempts to reconcile it with those things remind me too much of the "God of the gaps." Having choice separate from information is the correct definition for it, which is of course impossible in material reality. We can either embrace the fact humans aren't really free to make choices with all the radical implications that has for ethics, or reject strict materialism. All in-betweens are trying to have your cake and eat it.

[@xX_Gravity_Xx]

​@@felonyx5123 I think that this is an incredibly narrow point of view personally. It strictly relies on the notion that our material reality is the only impact _on_ our material reality. Think of it this way. If you were a 2D being, and someone moved a 3D object into your view, would you know that a 3D moved into your view, or would you think that it was an as yet, undetermined process of 2D physics? We can only _know_ what we can observe. But it is entirely possible that we cannot observe a great deal of things. I'm not opposed to the idea that we don't have free will. However, I've yet to see an argument presented that provides enough evidence that cannot be disputed. If it's all just a completely random emergence of material properties, then there is quite literally in my view, no _real_ difference in knowing that information than not knowing that information. It makes near as no difference to your day to day. However, from a philosophical perspective, neither option actually makes sense based on the information we currently have available to us. Maybe this question is best answered in the future, with more information available for us.

[@UrielManX7]

"I must believe in free will, I have no choice"

[@ThriftyCHNR]

99% of the population has too believe in free will for either vitality or religious beliefs. They have no choice because of psychological need. They will gladly sacrifice clarity for hope.

[@DrACAPELLAS]

Amazing quote dude

[@granand]

😃😃😃

[@jayknight139]

you really don't though

[@DrACAPELLAS]

@@jayknight139 have no choice?

[@sirrebelpaulc3439]

I did a Buddhist meditation retreat and they said something that really stuck with me, "How liberating it is to know that my thoughts and feelings are not who I am. Who am I then? The one that realizes that."

[@adamfstewart81]

That’s pretty good. But it’s also a bit of a misunderstanding of “no self” to create a self as “the one that realizes” but we’re Buddhists so we’re letting it go 😂

[@hid4]

But the one who realized that is your own thoughts

[@manofcultura]

You are the quantum state of your particular combination of carbon and water atoms. That only occurs once and that’s it.

[@adamfstewart81]

@@manofcultura Deepak? Is that you? 😋

[@landosllim4576]

Is the wind flapping the flag or the flag flapping the wind? Neither, your minds are flapping!

[@darndio_3597]

As someone that was born with complete ACC (Agenesis of the Corpus Callosum) it’s extremely intriguing to learn the difficulties of being without one from the perspective of people who lived with it before. Great Video!!

[@tunayee]

How do you type on keyboards or phones? Genuinely intrigued

[@darndio_3597]

@@tunayeeMy typing isn’t severely affected by my condition if at all, The brain manages to adapt without it so the only noticeable trait I can say is that I’m just slower than other folks when it comes to writing and typing!

[@flxmkr]

This is interesting. One thing you didn’t touch on is how memory and learning can effect our thinking. For instance, I was born left handed. But for two years, kindergarten and first grade, I had a teacher’s aid who would smack my hand with a ruler when I used my left instead of my right hand. My mom told me that if I got in trouble at school, I’d get it twice as bad at home. So I didn’t tell her I was a bad girl in school. The teacher involved the entire class, telling everyone to raise the hand they wrote with. She pointed out that I was the only person using my left hand. When I got to second grade, I realized one day that the teacher’s aid was no longer in our class. So I decided to try writing with my left hand, just to see if I could still do it. I was excited that I could. It was like my own secret. That afternoon, I tripped over the dog’s chain and fell, fracturing my left elbow. I had to wear a cast up to my armpit. I thought God punished me for trying to write with my left hand. I decided to never write left handed again. I’m 61 years old now, decided a decade ago to take back my left hand. I can write forward and backward simultaneously with both hands. But even today, when I hear or read about someone being left handed, I get this negative feeling toward the left handed person. I have to make a conscious effort to tell myself that person isn’t bad. I have developed a bias toward lefties that I still struggle with, even though I’m a lefty. I’m thankful that I wasn’t raised to hate certain people. Because I know if I was, I would still have a bias toward them. I am NOT saying that everyone who was ever biased will always be biased. I’m weird, and I’m the first to admit it. So maybe it’s a me-thing. But I do believe that things we are taught at a young age can stick with us throughout life - good and bad. This is why we don’t forget how to read or walk or talk unless we experience a brain injury. But what I am saying is that perhaps those “why do I suddenly feel this way?” moments can originate from a memory, experience or learned event that we don’t quite recall. It’s a survival instinct to prevent us from reliving a bad experience, I believe. For example, if we see a dog and get a sudden fear, for instance, maybe we experienced a moment of a dog growling or biting us when we were young. And this takes me to another point: I’ve had bad experiences with doctors and lawyers. So I get a negative feeling when I hear about either. I know that not all doctors and lawyers are bad; but I have to consciously remind myself of that fact, and remind myself of the good things that doctors and lawyers do when they produce the same feeling I get about lefties. Some people may feel this way toward cops or people in uniform. Some may feel this way toward people with certain skin or hair colors, animals, or even objects, such as vehicles (I suddenly got a bad feeling toward cars after I was in a car accident…but it didn’t last). When this happens with nationalities or skin tones, it doesn’t make us r@cist unless we let it. Unless we cultivate that negative feeling and allow ourselves to believe they will all reproduce the same experience, without even meeting them…and then to teach our children (or anyone who will listen) that everyone in that category or description is the same. So sometimes we have to unlearn things and replace them with positive thoughts before we can heal and evolve. And sometimes, like my lefty bias, it may take a lifetime to overcome. But it begins with making a conscious realization that “That was what I was taught, but it’s not true”, or “That was a few incidents, but they didn’t occur because they were all … tattood” (for instance). Sometimes we need to retrain our brain and replace negative thoughts with positive truths before we can grow. ❤

[@ThomasWickham-np6ju]

I know is corny but to learn to unlearn is the hardest thing to learn and sometimes it takes your whole life to realize that which is why depression is so common and knowing this sometimes I fail at it its honestly mind over matter it's said and it's most of the time the case.

[@kellykrebs7020]

My oldest sister is a lefty & her grade school teachers tried to stop her too. My parents raised hell at school & they stopped harassing my sister. Decades later, I have a Neice from a younger brother, whose oldest daughter is also left handed. Thankfully, times had changed enough that she was never bullied by teachers/aides.

[@RickMason-yj7pv]

A teacher's aid tried to get our 7 year old daughter with CP to switch to using her right hand. We got her fired tout suite.

[@the10creative-blinis46]

Well that's basic social psychology... but i don't really see what you're getting at which is related to this video

[@user-dn9vd9xg9p]

Yes, me too. I was reprimanded in front of everyone for being left-handed at school and ruler slapped by Catholic nuns during catechism.. But I think they were superstitious to burning the left-handed as witches during the middle ages. If a person was left-handed, they were viewed as a witch and burned at the stake. It is quite ridiculous. Actually, all the left-handed people I know are extremely intelligent and very creative with high logic skills. Most presidents were left handed also.

[@angeliaparker-savage5401]

The first time I heard about this operation was in a psych class. The individual was having constant seizures, so they cut the corpus callosum. He stopped having the seizures, but he also lost his ability to form memories. He, in effect, had moment-to-moment existence. He had to write notes to live his day-to-day life. If he turned away from someone he was speaking to, and then turned back to them, it was like he was seeing them for the first time. Also, another excellent read is anything by Oliver Sacks. He is a neurologist who researches the mind-brain connection, and one of his best books is "The Man Who Mistook His Wife For A Hat."

[@metaldemon80]

I loved Dr. Sacks books!

[@Corleone007]

i wonder how the were convinced to undergo such risky surgery

[@xxGreenRoblox]

@@Corleone007 "constant seizures"

[@chaimayahyaoui9227]

so like the movie memento

[@brianbeswick]

Was the random camera change to a side view really accidental, or did Joe’s bad gnome do it?

[@BoB-Dobbs_leaning-left]

Yes.

[@ugaboga9829]

Can i comment under member comments?

[@stevenjames5874]

​@@ugaboga9829 Yes.

[@poodle_soup211]

😊😅😂

[@Lutefisk445]

It was an unofficial tangent, hence the tangent cam switch

[@seasquawker]

I like the part of the story when after they had been cutting people's brains in half... for quite a while... 20 years, they then thought, "you know, we should research the effects of this?"

[@arcdecibel9986]

That doesn't prove that free will doesn't exist, it just proves that you can make decisions based on data you do not consciously remember learning, and only then when your brain is split in half. I don't find that any more remarkable than the fact that I don't have to remember to tell my heart to beat. I mean, it's still cool, but it's not new.

[@BeanCasserole-wg7wu]

Exactly thankyou

[@bubblelyte401]

Your heart beat is a function of your brain. It's an example of lower function but shows you have no will because it keeps beating even if you tried to stop it. The higher function then is just an extension of the lower functions and shows the brain does what it does and our actions and thoughts are just results of past stimuli and impulses. Therefore, we have no will.

[@adaptivelearner6162]

​@@bubblelyte401Incorrect, our heart maybe regulated by our CNS sending signals to the S.A. node but, we can stop out heart by choosing to end ones own life. It isn't something we can easily do. It takes a level of self-awareness and assurance. To takes ones own life. That is a higher order function that can completely over hall lower functions like heart electrical regulation.

[@bubblelyte401]

@@adaptivelearner6162 That is not necessarily an example. When someone is in optimal condition it is impossible to to just commit suicide. When someone decides to take their own life they are either not in their right mind and are in such a hopeless state inflicted upon them. In either case the do not have the free will to decide but succumb to the will that has been predetermined by the conditions.

[@ksb2112]

That may not exactly prove it, but if you're interested in a intensely academic look at why we don't have free will check out "Determined," by Robert Sapolsky.

[@livesouthernable]

I’m very aware of different areas of my brain controlling different parts of my thinking. This is why I talk to myself so much. I will stew over something for hours, thinking, “I need to talk to someone about my problem. I need their help.” Then I go to vent to someone, and before I’ve finished speaking, I have the answer. The problem solving part of my brain needed to hear me vocalize the problem in order to solve it.

[@o1-preview]

its because of when you try to explain the problem you have to think about in a way that the other person understands, and sometimes, while doing that, you'll think of a new way. At least that's what my bunch of neurons think.

[@brad.fuller]

I used to say that _I didn't know what I thought about something until I had talked about it out loud_ ... maybe I was actually right :)

[@Kai...999]

There's no shame in having full blown multi hour long conversations with yourself. I even do it at work, I try not to though since people think it's weird.

[@Bauldi]

The council and I (the interpreter) just get lost in delusion for a quick minute before coming to a consensus.

[@rebeccarisk1772]

Oh my god. This is mind blowing information! I'll have to try this. I have experienced the same thing, I stew and stew and then as soon as I talk about it I figure it out. I assumed it was because I needed empathy from another person (which I do believe is still sometimes the case) but I'll have to experiment with discussing things out loud with the other half of my brain

[@fakename4683]

There is a good paper on this subject that goes against some of the ideas. “Split brain: divided perception but undivided consciousness” and the conclusion states “In conclusion, with two patients, and across a wide variety of tasks we have shown that severing the cortical connections between the two hemispheres does not seem to lead to two independent conscious agents within one brain. Instead, we observed that patients without a corpus callosum were able to respond accurately to stimuli appearing anywhere in the visual field, regardless of whether they responded verbally, with the left or the right hand-despite not being able to compare stimuli between visual half-fields, and despite finding separate levels of performance in each visual half-field for labelling or matching stimuli. This raises the intriguing possibility that even without massive communication between the cerebral hemispheres, and thus increased modularity, unity in consciousness and responding is largely preserved.” It’s super interesting but also pushes back on the idea there are two consciousnesses.

[@HistorybyLeo]

Interesting. What if conciousness is actually special after all and it's not just a function of the brain. What if it's a cosmic function!

[@mykal4779]

​@@HistorybyLeo this. consciousness is the only thing in the universe we have direct contact with, absolute evidence of, saying it's an illusion is completely backwards imo. if anything is an illusion it'd be the physical world which we only experience *through* consciousness!

[@Hurricayne92]

@@mykal4779 If that were the case wouldnt it BE consiousness thats presenting 'us' this illusion?

[@mykal4779]

@@Hurricayne92 yes. i don't think the physical world is an illusion, but i know consciousness isn't. the only fact you can be 100% certain of is that your experience is real, that's the only thing you can actually fully know. i think therefore i am

[@Soosss]

Maybe I’m taking a jump here but this seems to support the idea of non local consciousness

[@bigbadsauce92]

As an intelligent but autistic man, this video was insanely informative and easy to grasp with your explanations, word choices, and visual examples. thank you for teaching me!

[@Krebzonide]

I was not mindlessly scrolling through my youtube feed. I opened youtube, saw 10 videos I wanted to watched, opennd them all in different tabs, and now I'm watching them one by one.

[@TheGeorgeD13]

I do this way too often. Or I'll put videos into a watch later queue and sometimes I'll just watch videos from that queue.

[@seedingsoul]

​@@TheGeorgeD13That's really sad. If I believed in god I'd pray for you two

[@meowerra]

@@seedingsoul ??????????? what the hell are you talking about

[@atfti]

It's gotta be a bot

[@Taima]

@@TheGeorgeD13 Same. I literally filled up my watch later playlist (limit is 5k videos if anyone's wondering) and have a second one that I try to keep down but am over 1500 now I think.

[@robincooper3]

I'm editing my comment to correct my spelling. It seems there are many many people who have little else to concern themselves with other than my ability to spell properly. Having a lack of proprioception is a nightmare. Due to a severe connective tissue disease, my body is never fully aware of the space it encompasses. Because my joints and bones shift constantly, I smack my face, hands, elbows etc... on everything. I miss stairs, I overlook corners etc. I'm constantly bruised, made fun of for being so clumsy and distracted. It's exhausting while living in exhausting debilitating pain and as a mother to two children suffering to live with the exact same circumstances. I appreciate your videos. People have no idea how their lives compare to the life of others. Be kind people. I'm not clumsy or distracted. I work harder than you will ever know and just to be . Things that are effortless to you may be an uphill battle for someone who looks normal to others.

[@danielhansen1674]

Ehlers-Danlos syndrome? I have proprioception issues because of this.

[@TheGreyLineMatters]

Sometimes the harder you try, the more you fail.

[@tubebrocoli]

That sounds so hard to deal with >

[@randomname4726]

​@@tubebrocoliThat is not how proprioception works at all.

[@randomname4726]

Hello fellow EDS sufferer! People have no idea how hard it is to be us. Just because we can fake being mostly OK for the 30 mins or hour you saw us for that week does not mean we are fine... people suck.

[@burtlux3736]

Judge:25 years Me:It might be crazy what I'm bout to say

[@xKillYourTVx]

exactly what i thought hahaha

[@Kafiristanica]

Determinists don't think you should be able to use the nonexistence of free will as a get out of jail free card. We see it as more important to start asking the questions: why did you do what you did? What about your environment led to you doing this thing? What can be done to help you not do it again, and help prevent others like you from doing it. The punitive system we have now clearly doesn't work well. Jails are packed and recidivism is incredible. Most criminals go to jail and become worse criminals. We need to invest more effort into reforming criminals and improving the conditions that led them to crime in the first place. The free will view lets you label some people as just bad, irreparably bad and punishment is the only option, and the fear of punishment is the only prevention for others. This isn't working.

[@erseshe]

Judge: Sorry, I don't have free will. I'm not the one choosing to sentence you to 25 years, the sentencing was pre-determined at the subatomic level. Can't do anything about it.

[@darrennew8211]

@@erseshe This is exactly why determinism eliminates free will *only* in the presence of a judgemental omnipotent omniscient deity.

[@TheNoobGreG]

This is making my head feel weird. It's always fascinated me how complicated the brain is, so complex it doesn't even understand itself and we have to do decades if not centuries of research and experiments, but now that we know the things we do, I feel like my right brain isn't happy learning how trapped it could be.

[@jerzbouy1]

At about 70 years of age (79 today) I learned I had a mental disorder know as IED, Intermittent explosive disorder, which as a child was simply a short fuse or quick tempered. Knowing about it only made my life more complicated. Your video gives me much food for thought and maybe a way of gaining some meager control. Thank you.

[@Neo2266.]

No way they called the "explosive" disorder fucking "IED"

[@raven4k998]

here give me a kiss baby it's ok my Brain made me do it🤣

[@Preisolauphenonputen]

I had a blood loss situation about 15 years ago that caused me to pass out & have a seizure - the only seizure I’ve ever had in my life. Ever since then, I’ve had weird issues, and this video is answering so many questions I’ve had about why my brain doesn’t work like it used to… What a relief - there are words for the things I’ve been going through. 😁

[@jackoverton8343]

Can potientally heal it with BDNF, massive increase from 3 days fastinng. "Brain-derived neurotrophic factor(BDNF) promotes neuroplasticiiy (the ability of the brain to form new connections and pathways) pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31440144/ "while fasting upregulated BDNF by ∼ 3.5-fold" Can't find the exact study but they show 48-72 hr fasts increase it 3-5 fold. I personally did a bit over 72hr and saw major improvements. Probably will do it 3-4 times a year.

[@mattoucas869]

What's happening?

[@chechennel4817]

@@mattoucas869Jeesus is coming!

[@samanthab3292]

Having an answer is such a comforting feeling. So odd. Glad you're feeling some relief

[@417Dobro]

In 1965, when I was five years old, I developed a fever of unknown origin, which landed me in the hospital. My temperature stubbornly stayed at 103 to 104 degrees as I remained in the hospital for the next 3 ½ months. The effects of this "slow cooker" malady most assuredly affected my brain's communication processes. "FREESCAPING" is a term I borrowed from gaming that use to describe my thought processes, mostly when I am "On a roll" joking around, people are ROTFLing, and someone inevitably asks, "Where do you come up with this stuff lol?". The term derives from games in which your character can be played without encountering any walls or borders on a limitless horizon. Quite literally; statements will roll off my tongue as I hear them for the first time along with everyone else. The "flip side" to my having acquired some sort of undiagnosed brain damage (it was the 60's so I was never tested) is that, except for the brief flashes of comedic brilliance, I am otherwise stumbling around in the darkness of my profound societal blindspots.

[@joeeeyyyyyy]

'Undiagnosed brain damage'? I'm sorry what doctor(s) have been telling you not to have ANY tests done since you were 5 years old?? Why not ? I have never met a doctor who would advise you skip the scans or tests... Even if it was years ago... (With exceptions for concussions and minor physical trauma)

[@bable6314]

@@joeeeyyyyyy Brain damage done that early on is nearly impossible to diagnose. Source: myself. When I was born, the doctors illegally let the students at the hospital deal with delivery, and the stupid gits were completely unprepared. Specifically, the oxygen tank that is used to force a breath into an infant's lungs was empty. I was without oxygen for two plus minutes before the anesthesiologist returned to the room and filled the tank while the students panicked. I have since been diagnose with ADHD, ASD/Asperger's, ODD, and a number of cognitive disorders. I am almost certain that at least half of my diagnoses are, in fact, a direct result of brain damage, but that can never be proven.

[@Vysair]

There is a proper studies on this called Disassociation. It feels like being in third person and can range from just feeling like foreign body to noclip. I had only experience it twice(?) but the recovery from this is akin to ptsd or trauma but not as worse. I think it took me 2 weeks-ish to get back to my normal self.

[@chechennel4817]

Wow, that sounds a lot like me, although I don't remember exactly when it started. I joked so much that I got fired from work. But everyone laughed so hard, so I don't regret anything! :D

[@417Dobro]

@@bable6314 Thank you for your affirmations and kinship.

[@williambilbow252]

Brilliant channel! Each production is well researched, then crafted into a cohesive story and delivered with purpose and wit. Kinda like the left and right hemispheres sharing the load and allowing the “other half” to freely do its thing. Well done.

[@jasoncasey3005]

I clicked on the thumbnail because I've been conditioned to believe that I will enjoy anything this channel produces

[@LunarVixen]

its pavlovian...

[@KeKe-bv8qv]

same

[@LuisSierra42]

You clicked because the simulation told you to

[@michaelgasperik4319]

Yes! Exactly what I was going to say.

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

Can confirm

[@cassinipanini]

i have a type of depression that is pretty much entirely physical, and just happens to have emotional symptoms. I think for a lot of if not most depressed people, they internalize the negative thoughts and beliefs. Yet I would be sitting there crying for 8 hours a day, while in my head I would just be so confused. "What is happening, why am i crying??" My depressive episodes always felt like something happening TO me, as if I was suddenly under a rain cloud and eventually the cloud would pass and I would be relatively okay again. My depression would tell me things, "You're not wanted" and my rational brain would reply, "Yes I am." Very much 'voices in my head that are not me are speaking to me,' but i knew the voices were my depression and not other beings, so I knew it was psychosis. Very difficult to EXPLAIN that without it seeming like its psychosis though. At the end of the day my depression symptoms were the same as others, but my experience of them didnt really match with what I was seeing other depressed people experience. I always thought this was so bizarre, but this video actually comforts me bc I think it highlights that my depression really IS just physical thing. It helps explain why I was able to stay rational while it was happening (though that did always feel a bit like i was trapped in my head). Anyway Im medicated now, so I have almost none of the emotional symptoms anymore. I do still suffer with a lot of the non-emotional symptoms though, which is interesting/annoying. I still really struggle to do tasks, even ones I like. I struggle with motivation, oversleeping, undereating, my hygiene habits suffer (like most depressed people). But at least im not crying every day for hours anymore! :D

[@misspat7555]

Have you ever considered the possibility that you could have ADHD as well as depression? The two tend to go together; I myself have both (in addition to autistic twice-exceptional southpaw femininity; I’m a bit of a unicorn), and at one point I described my experience as “I finally took enough SAM-e a day (1600 mg) to actually want to do things more often than not, but I don’t have the mental energy to do them, and I’m frustrated!”. This was when I decided to get back on stimulant medication after 7 years off. 🤔

[@kindlin]

@@misspat7555 Honestly, every neurological disorder is on a spectrum, not just autism. And autism is like 4 different spectrums itself, with various symptoms that can come and go sepearately, some that commonly arrive together but not always, etc. Another common example is bipolar, with depressive and manic symptoms. But this concept applies to everything: happyy/sad, kind/mean, honest/truthless, schizophrenic, adhd, a million others. The connections are probably much deeper and varied than we give credit for, as well.

[@dkajj]

Don't pull off my band-aid

[@rosezy755]

Being not aware or detached from your emotions actually seems quite normal for mental illness generally speaking. It's such a frustrating thing to go through. Unless I catch the thing that triggered me my brain "wipes" it before I even realize what made the emotion. I'd also argue with my depressive thoughts, yet neither side seemed to have any precedence, leaving me just stuck in thought. I now have all the symptoms like you describe but without the crying too, and I believe it's because while my depression has lessened, my dissociation used to protect me from my depression hasn't.

[@imokstinker]

all i’m gonna say is, I stopped believing in depression as a condition and slowly told myself “it’s not worth it”, “time heals mistakes don’t” and often grounded myself to good thoughts.. Now I believe depression is simply a time of emptiness. I was clinically diagnosed and haven’t been depressed in years now. I rejected the fact that my brain made me sad and started seeking things that made me happy. Instead of letting my mind go wild and get all sad, i’d force myself to do things, with time i’m now grateful to say my brain is no longer infected by what it was told. My father plays a large role as he has depression and told me growing up I would have it, that made it “justified” in my mind for ages. When you take control and do so for the better, whether it be by our power or another source it certainly will prevail, as will you. I hope this helps someone like us, brought up believing they’ll live that mopey life forever and I hope you all have an amazing blessed life, remember, thoughts are choices and with no life there are no choices- I am joyous to both the pain and happiness in my life now. I haven’t spiraled in years and my last meltdown was grieving and I’ll admit those same weighted thoughts became a blanket, but you can remove the blanket, the hardest part is doing it enough till you believe it. Now I laugh when i’d normally breakdown. “crying is easy, laughing is not” Last note would be, never do the easiest things in life, they are duller in experience almost always.

[@Oasis888]

Never mistake a callosotomy for a colostomy.

[@DiZoSoMom]

That would be a shitty mistake

[@Alalias]

Its best to be on the safe side and opt for both, just in case. Don't forget to ask if they offer a package deal.

[@MarekKafarek-o2p]

@@Alalias LOL :D

[@Antony_Jenner]

"Shit for brains" comes to mind.🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@WirlWind494]

@@Alalias You only get the package deal if you buy them dinner first.

[@cmatrix4761]

It's not that free will is an illusion - but more that people don't really understand how free will works. You still choose things - but it's a choice that's the building of consensus between semi-independent parts of your consciousness. What we perceive as a single stream of consciousness, or "will", is actually a battling consensus - sort of like how a bunch of instruments playing becomes a song.

[@hibana364]

It's still an "egg or chicken first ?" issue. Thoughts modify our ability to think. Our ability to think modifies our thoughts.

[@hibana364]

@@marcosdominguez1234 This doesn't contradicts my first statement. The evidence you can find about what I wrote has been brought to light by the studies related to trauma. Ptsd and complex trauma truly modify our ability to think (brain wiring basically), so does "randomness of life". But we have predispositions due to our genes and the environment we live in. We call that a "terrain". It's basically a field where there are plants and trees (wiring). The path we somehow pick in a way (both consciously and unconsciously, nothing is binary) is influenced by the "flora" the field has in the first place and will either be watering some more plants or grains OR planting new grains. Our thoughts come from our brain wiring. But our thoughts are wiring our brain also. This is why there's no total determinism because if there was, we could basically stop the people who WILL commit crimes and such. There's also a study (a german one but can't find it, I got my hands on it when I was still a psychology student and the graduation is a bit long gone now) that showed that 70% of our choices on average are not coming from our decisions only but rather were determined by our personality traits (I'm simplyfing because I'm not an english native unfortunately, hope you'll forgive me). But what are those personality traits ? Where do they come from ? Well "it's complicated". Morale code is something you chose for example. You can be predictable in your actions, but are your actions truly led only by your animal instinct ? Then why do we have a self destruct/self harm button then ? And in the end, regarding what you wrote. If free will is an illusion, and so does the reality we live in, is it truly an illusion if it's perceived as real ? That's a philosophical standpoint but we still need it because we can't explain everything organically to this day.

[@hibana364]

It appears that my long answer has been deleted by yt algorithm. I can't see it anymore. Anyway. I will not bother writting it again I'm sorry. But nothing is 100% freewill (quite the opposite) and nothing is 100% derminism. And your message doesn't contradict mine basically.

[@Wolfietherrat]

The egg came first according to evolution. What ever laid the egg was nota chicken.

[@malomkarom]

Ah man, I might've smoked a little, you kinda haulted every thought I'll (probably) thankfully never remember again. Thanks! I guess... Then again I don't know what I forgot. Why am I typing this out again?

[@hibana364]

@@malomkarom You're just practicing thankfulness. Can't hurt anyone. On a side note, I really wish you will be able to quit smoking if it is possible to make you feel this way by smoking haha

[@erichurst7897]

As a person that struggles with depression, Inside Out offered the absolute best depiction of how depression affects people, how it twists our thoughts and memories. It pushes us to make panicked and increasingly worse decisions, and if left to run rampant it will destroy everything we loved. I've gotten choked up at movies before, but this one, this had me sobbing. It's an amazing movie. Additionally, at the end when we see inside her parent's minds, we see that sadness is calling the shots for her mother, yet she lives a full and happy life.

[@csrb338]

Great movies.

[@Kai...999]

I wish more media tackled suicide. Obviously a childrens movie probably shouldn't... or maybe it should. Me and others have been thinking of suicide since childhood so your post made me thing maybe delving deeper into it and more seriously could save some kids. Hell I'm only still here because the pew pew jammed.

[@sunnyjim1355]

Well, that movie might best depict to you how depression affects people, but not the cause of it? I haven't seen it, so genuine question. For me, regarding that, the best explanation I've heard, that chimes with me as also a sufferer, is an inabilty to imagine a positive future for oneself. That doesn't automatically imply some kind of brain 'malfunction' though... low self-esteem due to a neglected or abusive childhood is enough to induce such. So, in a way, it is a form of brain 'malfunction', because in such cases the brain hasn't developed naturally in a healthy way.

[@xxGreenRoblox]

Inside out represents depression very well it's not sadness is the only one at the panel just making riley constantly sad it's feeling nothing with sadness being riley's cure If anything joy would've made it worse with like "this is the right choice" or "if I do this I'll be happier"

[@mementomori5580]

Whenever the question "Do we have Free Will?" is brought up, it must always be met with the question "What is Free Will?". Because without defining first what "Free Will" actually is and entails, there is no point in talking about whether or not we have it.

[@maxchan179]

whenever the question of talking to someone like you arises, it must always be met with a finger point, ridicule, and a scoff. because with so many stupid people and so little time, why waste anymore on you?

[@MaryJane-zw5pv]

​@@maxchan179🤦‍♀️

[@MaryJane-zw5pv]

@mementomori, I couldn't agree more!

[@SWBGTOC]

Yes, and it was addressed in this video

[@461weavile]

Ehh, the video wasn't really about free will. I was halfway disappointed, but I was also halfway relieved, because that mean's it's not another video pretending to be correct about whether humans have free will.

[@Matt-O117-SV]

When I was about 15 I had a kind of painless migraine that shut down my ability to conceptualize language. My mouth and vocal chords worked normally, and I had things I wanted to say, I just didn't have any vocabulary whatsoever. Even my internal monologue was wordless. Very active, but wordless. It was a very useful experience.

[@0Aquamelon]

There's a philosopher (who I don't always agree with) named Daniel Dennett who delved into the notion of free will. He said that: despite the fact that free will may not exist in the sense that we are thinking independently, and that our brain makes decisions by itself, there is STILL a such thing *socially* as free will. If we don't believe in free will and claim everything is out of our control, we are shutting out certain decisions and claiming we had no choice. Or in other words: thinking "there is no free will" causes our brain to act in a different way than thinking there is.

[@mikezooper]

Belieivng there is no free will, is not the same as LIVING as if there is no free will. I don't believe in free will but I still think about choices I can take, each day.

[@francisco444]

Dennett fucked up because he was afraid of the repercussions without actually providing evidence that knowing there is no free will is actually harmful. We can know we cannot remove our wants. We just cannot know where the wants come from so we identify with them.

[@justinfriedman2039]

Beautifully put. I agree with exactly what you said but find it hard to convey to others that there is a huge utility in acting as though their is free will even while understanding there isn't.

[@mpk4712]

The ecact same what i thought about this matter when i was in 7th grade on a normal boring school day. Its nice seeing that a philosophist got the same conclusion as me back then. So i was not that dumb as i thought i was😂

[@rustybrooks8916]

I think there could be a great net positive to the acceptance of no free will. Currently we put so much value on how people choose to act and to live that we lose empathy for someone who "freely decides" to be disruptive to our social systems. Perhaps we could understand that while we can't allow some actions to be performed, we don't have to treat those actors with punitive measures. I find that many people want to make criminals suffer for their poor choices instead of attempting any kind of reform. If a person legitimately can't be reformed, then it is necessary to keep them out of the greater society, but that does not mean we should treat them the way we do now. Most people don't find it ok to torture a lion for being a predatory animal , but will take steps to protect themselves none the less, because we don't believe the lion is capable of controlling itself the way a human is.

[@redbarchetta8782]

I'm of two minds on the subject.

[@Baysidemom2]

I see what you did there 😂

[@DarkElfDiva]

@@Baysidemom2 Do you? Or does only half of you see?

[@myscreen2urs]

At least two🙃

[@CeeMartinezSaysHi]

THE CHAIR SPIN I JUST SCREAMED. I SCREAMED I TELL YOU!

[@polythewicked]

I’m glad it’s back.

[@user-dv6gt5iw4b]

ditto

[@EmoBrianEno]

He must have figured out that you can actually change what clip is shown in the thumbnail and not just the first 5 seconds.

[@BoB-Dobbs_leaning-left]

You should get out more. ;-)

[@victorycupcake3061]

HE DID THE THING

[@podunkest]

Thank you for always thoroughly sharing sources and other relevant info, it's one of my biggest gripes about most other content creators. Not so much because of the credibility issues but for me, I appreciate it more for simply being able to easily access the same info for myself or to send to friends. Sometimes text or an article is a better attention getter than a video, in the short term, if they don't have time to watch a 20-30 min video any time soon.

[@gubigubigubigubi]

That intro is pretty on point. Because I've been trying to ignore this video for 2 days now but youtube keeps popping up to recommend to me. So I literally clicked this to get youtube to stop recommending it to me.

[@mpk4712]

Now i want to know what you think of the Video to evaluate how good youtube's reccomendation system is

[@gubigubigubigubi]

@@mpk4712 It was an acceptable video.

[@ChauntelleARussell]

U can hit the three dots on the bottom right of each video and select "not interested" from the menu.

[@Manticorn]

What you are sponsoring at the end is what was called a "safety razor" and for a few years now I've exclusively shaved with those for all the above reasons. One blade also means less razor burn. Also less plastic, good for the environment. I 110% recommend your sponsor and good on you for doing that sponsorship. I also try to explain this to people a lot, but you've finally done it in about as succinct and clear a way as possible. It's like this video was made for me. Thank you a million fr my dude

[@huubkr]

I don’t think he has a lot experience with razor blades. Otherwise he would have shaved his beard before mentioning his sponsor😅 (just having fun. Really liked his vid on the topic)

[@Manticorn]

@@huubkr you don't know, maybe he shaves his legs!

[@huubkr]

@@Manticornyou’re right, I’m not so into shaving other body parts😅

[@LiLMARSLI]

@@huubkr I made the same joke to myself as soon as I realized he's sponsoring a razor (or I should say "My brain made the same joke to me as soon as it realized and informed me about its realization" 😄). @Manticorn I then told my brain that it could be legs he shaves. I was looking for the Gillette Cartridges to buy yesterday and today. And I saw this razor sponsored. Does Having three coincidences mean that they are not coincidences? 😄

[@knightofthelivingdrones2646]

I was suffering from a major depressive episode. I was in a bad place. My psychiatrist put me on lithium. I went to bed with a cacophony of multiple thoughts racing through my head. Imaging being in a crowded restaurant with bad acoustics. When I woke up, it was like I was sitting in a room all by myself. Just a single train of thought at a very relaxed pace. I was stunned. I sat there thinking singular thoughts. At that point, I realized my thoughts are not my own.

[@lumenart7328]

You are the observer but not your thoughts, your thoughts are a tool by which many people wrongly use to identify themselves with. You are the quiet observer of it all, that which lives in the present and dwells not in the future nor the past.

[@RobinTheMetaGod]

Psychiatry is bad.

[@djalex8080]

@@RobinTheMetaGodelaborate

[@knightofthelivingdrones2646]

@@djalex8080I’ll take “things Scientologists say” for $100 Alex.

[@RobinTheMetaGod]

@@djalex8080 Psychology and all its people such as therapists, psychiatrists, psychologists, but more commonly left wing people that have have psychologys' inherent ideology; are in vast opposition to emotion and freedom and the rights of the individual, and automatically disrespects behaviour or ideology out of the scope of psychology's ideology as being "immature" and people of a psych field or people that believe in its doctrine are overly mature pretentious high society elites. The ideology of the psych is also the arch nemesis of the introvert and the aggressive as it outright demonises them as bad. Also, if you were gay or female or black in the 1950s then then would be attacked by lobotomy for such difference of living. Psychology is the robot overlord you were warned about for years by those cartoons but did not accept seriously because the warning was only relayed via fiction.

[@RadoMich]

15:29 I don't know why but instantly reminded me of LLM's hallucinations 🤣Great work. Subscribed!

[@plexussystem3274]

As someone who developed a severe dissociative disorder, I find it baffling how many people not only disbelieve or misunderstand the disorder itself, but how shocked people become at the concept of numerous identities capable of functioning in a single brain, when we have science like this!

[@GH0STH0ST]

I've been trying to articulate this thought throughout the entire video 😂 the whole topic is interesting but I'm fascinated by the semantics of it

[@crowsong8097]

I live with OSDD, and same! It sucks we have to live with shame and hide this aspect of ourselves when the science is so clear. Side note, we loved the inside out movie. :)

[@SaHaRaSquad]

People just don't want to think hard, especially not about their existence.

[@plexussystem3274]

@SaHaRaSquad couldn't be me. If im not working towards healing, self improvement and learning than I have lost my purpose and stopped growing and maturing. I have a need to understand myself and the world around me, I find ignorance deplorable and lazy, and anything that promotes simply putting your head down and shutting up a great danger to our overall society and planet.

[@graceg3250]

We all have different parts of ourselves that conflict and come to the surface at different times. Dissociative personality disorder only happens from severe trauma, so my heart goes out to you.

[@Trizzi2931]

I always wondered how our body movements always felt almost automatic to me. Like when I move my hand there is no thought or some sort of message that comes in my mind, it just happens. It’s so fascinating how brains work.

[@DeterminismisFreedom]

🤙Determinism is Freedom🤙🤙🤙

[@KhanaHatake]

A lot of my "gnome thoughts" are actually intrusive thoughts from my OCD. Violent images, insane impulses to hurt myself, slurs being shouted in my head, weird paranoia. It's really like it's all coming from *someone else* who lives in my brain.

[@piperjaycie]

Yeah, having OCD is like having someone else also living in your head and that person is constantly lying to you to torture you!

[@InfuzedCypheR]

​@@piperjaycieHate it. Intrusive thought OCD really sucks.

[@KBRoller]

Similar, but different, experience from other anxiety disorders. I have GAD with comorbid depression, and one of the worst parts is when there's a terrible thought, and I can't figure out whether it's sensible or intrusive, or whether I actually believe it or not...

[@robertpaws]

Congratulations, you got intrusive thoughts

[@EpicToaster]

Yeah I always thought of it like an angry grandpa sitting in a chair reading a newspaper looking at the world through your eyes commenting on everything youre doing.

[@wendyshapard1883]

Okay, here’s a weird thing. I don’t remember seeing this channel ever before. Got halfway through and thought, “This is super interesting. I should subscribe.” Looked down, I WAS ALREADY SUBSCRIBED! 😯🤔

[@TheCebulon]

Why is this not used and explained in Psychology? It would help people with depression and other disorders a lot! Thank you for pointing this out. I have to watch it several times to completely digest.

[@windkitz]

They do teach it

[@ribosoman593]

Psychiatric disorders are more thought as the product of a defective system or interaction between systems. Being conscious of the problem does not necessarily allow you to overcome it, especially if you are dealing with uncooperative systems. PTSD is a good example: it is a scar on multiple systems in the brain causing improperly regulated emotionnal responses with major sides effects. You might know in detail how your affection works, but you may not be able to counteract it. Hence drugs: they can play this role of putting every system in proper working condition, something your higher cognitive function can't do on it's own. I am not contesting there might be a benefit for patients to consciously understand their pathology, but let's not put excessive hopes into this being a solution. It is what (some) therapists do, and in some cases a proper medication is necessary.

[@flamencoprof]

I remember when young in the Seventies lying face-down on the back lawn at a party after drinking a whole bottle of wine. I could smell the grass, I knew I was there at a party, but drunk me was just lying there. I thought "You are really drunk". Then another thought said "Hey, how come, if I'm drunk, I can think so clearly about the grass, and where I am, and how drunk I am?" The question is, who was that third person, the me that can produce the story now? After that experience, I used to say "When you get drunk, there is always a little sober voice observing". But I have also heard of really drunk people functioning "on autopilot" who don't remember what "autopilot" said or did.

[@aflood3446]

Me, I'm the auto pilot person 😂. I used to be your way, super drunk, and clear thinking at the same time... until I had a bit of trauma happen. After the incident, if I ever drank in excess, I would blackout and not be able to remember anything that happened over the next several hours. I do not drink anymore 😅

[@Mutantcy1992]

There's a short story (or essay) about getting drunk alone and it talks about it like you're having a conversation with a monkey. Haven't been able to find it for years but your comment reminded me of it.

[@StoneDeceiver]

it's just yourself talking to yourself, people do this all the time while making decisions and what not.. "should i do X for dinner? x-y-z reasons.." "yeah, but A for dinner is a-b-c better" etc

[@karabolefa9487]

100% with you on the sober voice thing. First time I got drunk, whenever I'd make any decisions, there was a voice that asked me whether or not I wanted to do that. Sometimes it would try to calm my thoughts and say "let me take over" and that's when I would have lapses in memory.

[@flamencoprof]

@@Mutantcy1992 There is an expression "Monkey on your back", your comment reminded me of it.

[@MoDonJon]

It's my opinion that this discussion needs to be held at every level of human development. The more we understand what causes our "choices" the more we accept our differences. Great video.

[@grimmcynicism8016]

As a determinist who didn't know determinism existed, thank you. You succinctly cover a lot of concepts I've had on my mind for a long time. I wish we could sit down and talk about this. It's so exciting.

[@blueworld1825]

As a determinist, prove why causality is predetermined instead of possibilistic, and who or what force pushes it to be predetermined.

[@grimmcynicism8016]

@@blueworld1825 Unless you can prove that the laws of physics are unfixed or are nonuniversal then I don't really have to "prove" anything. Any state of the universe, when these laws are applied, can only lead to one other state. The current state is entirely determined by previous states. Prove that this isn't the case.

[@grimmcynicism8016]

And I'll note that even if the laws are mutable or varying across space and time in any way, they still determine the state of the universe. There still is only one state that can come out of any set of physical laws, even as they change or vary. Even with probabilities there ends with an outcome and there's no reason to think any other outcome was truly possible. Only the one thing ends up happening no matter the probabilities involved.

[@blueworld1825]

@@grimmcynicism8016 Not how BOP works, no matter how "obvious" your claim may be to you, you still need evidence to back it up. But anyway. Yes, I infact can prove the laws of physics are unfixed. In the early stages of the universe, a billion years ago, research tells us that the universal laws you see today like gravity, electric-magnetic-waves, strong nuclear force, and weak nuclear were all one single unified force. Yet, as the universe began to expand and evolve, that force 'split' up to the forces we see today. This shows that our universal laws have not always been objective, they can change, meaningful that the universe's laws are not absolute. Now that I've proved that, I also have my own proof of the universe defying causality and exposing its limits. Look up "Delayed-Choice Experiment" particles doing some causality, and the superposition of particles: showing the probabilistic nature of the universe.

[@blueworld1825]

​​@@grimmcynicism8016 Quantum research literally shows that possibilities do exist. And you do realize there's no reason to think the outcomes that we get are also the *_only_* outcomes possible, right? This is why burden of proof is important. You have to prove these outcomes are predetermined, and if they're able to be changed in anyway, that makes it lose its predetermined status. Because the notion "predetermined" implies absolutely certainty, something that no one's able to change. If it's flawed, however, that makes it probable. Also, the existence of present outcome doesn't support determinism at all, or even relevant to to discussion. Probable means that any effect from a cause has a chance of happening, allowing freewill to present. Evolution also proves probability in real time btw.

[@Jack_The_Ripper_Here]

When i was a kid, i saw myself. I exited my body and i was looking at myself eating for a few seconds then went back in my body. Since i experienced that as a kid, around 10 years old, my whole life has been different than most people. I kind of know there is more going on than we think. Not sure why that happened, never happened again. But i never forgot that moment. Clear as day light. I was looking at myself

[@wintersprite]

When I was in third grade, I fainted once in music class (we were sitting on risers and I was on the top riser). It felt like I was dreaming it. It was really weird and interesting.

[@Lea_D.]

I had it happen to me a couple of times too. Then a few years ago, I read somewhere that a patient was undergoing a procedure where they used electrodes to stimulate different parts of the brain to find the right spot to put an implant (for parkinson's or some other thing). One of the spots they stimulated caused the person to experience seeing themselves from outside their body, like they were floating just above it. So that proves that it's a real phenomenon that can happen with our brains! Reading that made me feel validated. :)

[@WirlWind494]

@@Lea_D. There were experiments done on out of body experiences specifically where they found a spot that could stimulate OOBE's with an electrical probe, on and off like a light-switch. OOBE's are probably just a part of our brain that is responsible for our sense of 'self' (which the visual cortex probably interacts with directly) having a spurge out. As a result your visual cortex is like "Bro, let's make this scene 3rd person!" and then adds all the extra information your brain usually ignores. Even so, how freaking awesome is that? Somehow the fact that it's physical instead of supernatural makes it even more awesome imo.

[@Clemppu]

I had one experience of 3rd person POV as a 15yo when I was running Cooper's test in school. My mind kind of zoned out mid-run because it felt like a very monotonous activity. My mind went blank, almost meditative. There was only the motion, no thought. Suddenly I saw the back of my head. My view kept slowly zooming back and upwards towards the sky and there I saw myself running the track circle counter-clockwise. It only lasted for few seconds, I think. I had to snap out of it because I saw myself coming to a curve and became worried I could not properly steer myself to stay on track. Rest of the run I stayed focused to avoid any similar experience. Never again have I experienced the same effect again. But I still remember it, over 25 years later.

[@Jack_The_Ripper_Here]

@@Lea_D. Nice. Thank you for sharing. I didn't feel the transit at all, i didn't feel anything. One second i was at the table eating with my parents, next second i was looking at myself from a few ft, m away. Then went back in my body. Also i remember i felt nothing as i was looking at myself, no cold, no warmth, no smell, no fear.

[@theunintelligentlydesigned4931]

I think of free will this way: We have free will but our free will is like a tiny boat tossed in a storm of deterministic forces. Our ability to do what we choose to do depends on our ability to navigate those deterministic forces trying to turn us this way and that. Living in denial of those deterministic forces sets us up to be completely controlled by those deterministic forces that we deny.

[@_.incredible_magnum._291]

You also have to think that the brain has A LOT of auto functions programmed into it. Yes we have free will to choose. However, a lot of our choices will either be influenced by genes, or experience. And depending and on how conscious you are as well

[@joeeeyyyyyy]

​@@_.incredible_magnum._291 as much as its automatic, you have free will via quantum physics

[@kennydolby1379]

Yeah, but keep in mind that the deterministic view is : cause -> effect. The free will view is : cause -> choice -> effect. But if your choice is made based on specfic reasons - which is always the case if you examine the decisions you made in your life - then those reasons are the cause, while your choice is just another effect in that chain. You made choice A instead of choice B, cos choice A had more stronger reasons to be made, which means that it was never free.

[@theunintelligentlydesigned4931]

@@kennydolby1379 Free will is not cause->choice->effect. Most of the time, we are on autopilot which is cause->effect. But when something wakes us up from autopilot, we have a chance to evaluate our reasons and choose which reasons to continue with and which reasons to change. And we don't have to choose the strongest reasons.

[@kennydolby1379]

@@theunintelligentlydesigned4931 But we do follow the strongest set of reasons, and since there are so many of them we are not even fully aware of them all.... like ask yourself a question "how did you choose the specific words in your response". On top of that, even if you decide to "not choose" the strongest reasons cos you wanna - let's say - proof to yourself that you have free will, then that's just another reason... which makes THIS set of reasons stronger than an alternative one.

[@BinhNguyen-ex4zn]

I clicked because your arrow in the picture is NOT pointing at the corpus callosum but at the septum pellucidum. Neurosurgeons cut the Corpus to prevent the electrical storm of epilepsy from spreading to the other hemisphere but can not prevent the spread within that same side with this operation. Surprisingly to this day, surgery is still being performed to remove or ablate part of the brain that has become resistant to medicine and other treatments. I just don’t want your viewers to be misinformed. Anyway, you have made a great show and channel.

[@samanthab3292]

My son was born with some sort of brain injury, resulting in a hemiparesis. (Right side injury, left side body weakness). It's been difficult to navigate because he's still nonverbal and very young, so it's hard to see what's really wrong. His left side was weaker, he was a late walker and didnt cross his hands over midline. A year+ of physical therapy helped immensely. He's still in physical, occupational, and speech therapy. It will be interesting to see how he learns and grows and his life pans out. 🤞🏻❤️

[@micahjames5286]

As a result of a trauma at 2 years old, I have never felt like I Have free will. I clikded on this video with hope that I can start "running" things in a new way.

[@Plethorality]

Oh mate, that sounds awful. I hope things improve for you.

[@dogman4422]

Try fent.

[@dungeonsanddragonsanddrive2902]

@@dogman4422Not fent, but I have heard hallucinogenics like mushrooms help a little with reframing the way you think

[@miclovesart]

Ignore the troll above me. 3 of my friends died from fent when I was 15-16. I didn’t die, but I also never tried it. The farthest I went was heroin. I’m 3 years sober and have a chance at a future, something my friends will never have. I literally don’t know a single person who has tried fent and is still alive.

[@areadenial2343]

Have you looked into depersonalization-derealization disorder? It's a condition that causes one to feel detached from their own actions and experience, like they aren't in control. It is thought to be caused by trauma during early childhood. I hope things get better for you.

[@TRayTV]

"It's a lot easier to change your mind on something if you don't have it tied to your identity." This is the thought that could save America, and maybe the world.

[@Xyponx]

Yes, identity politics is dangerously divisive.

[@paulbunion6233]

and THAT is why the parties try to tie you to an identity. So the you do NOT change your mind once they have you identified

[@saltyzu8412]

For the libs in the back!

[@sophiagreen1880]

@@saltyzu8412Both parties partake in this.

[@JUANxxTNAFAN]

@@paulbunion6233I’m already identified! Gay and Latino 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@brentsaner]

The primary researcher involved in this study has recanted this conclusion and stated it in no way disproves free will.

[@Laapinou]

You don't need any studies to understand that free will does not exist

[@FrogMan15]

Do you have a source? I can't find anything online on it. Not trying to be argumentative, just genuinely curious :)

[@littlebitofhope1489]

That doesn't mean his recant is correct.

[@lordrudolph1037]

@@littlebitofhope1489Kinda points that way though. Or, just accept what the guy making this video says as compelling, the guy at 8:14 that calls the optic chiasm the optic chasm. Chasm? A deep crack in the ice? True expert. According to what you likely believe you won’t have a choice in how you take that, but don’t be mad at my reply if I don’t have free will either

[@MingusDynastyy]

​@@FrogMan15 You can just think about it for yourself for about an hour and figure out how it isn't proof

[@BabyShenanigans]

I literally didn't mean to click on this video. I was switching between monitors, and youtube was open on my second monitor, and I clicked on the video. But then I watched the whole thing and I liked it, and now I'm subscribing. :)

[@iCloxx]

"who are you? - you are two" watched that video so many times. It's comforting to end on a "a bit of both" position on free will though we don't have to just stop there. If you can conciously adjust the decisions your brain makes for you: who makes the decision to do so? why do you want the things you want that motivate your decisions? can you choose to want something and who decides to make you want to do that?

[@jolttsp]

But did you consciously adjust your decision or is that just what your brain is telling you to reaffirm its random ass 😂

[@takanara7]

This has nothing to do with whether or not "Free will" exists, it just shows that the brain has at least two "centers" of free will, if free will does exist. But if your brain has multiple centers of free will, then it obviously "contains" free will.

[@jnharton]

@@takanara7 Just strikes as proof that free will is a more complex concept than might be assumed.

[@ahealthkit2745]

Ontology

[@enikkss]

i gotta pick up my Alan Watts book again

[@SamWal]

I always justified my brain by saying "all thoughts are intrusive, we just agree with some" and now I have more confirmation for that

[@eRVeLife]

I was in 6th grade when I asked “what does a headache feel like, I’ve never had one…” someone replied, “it feels like hammers inside your head, there’s pain behind your eyes, and it throbs” next day I had my first headache!!! Like until I learned what it would feel like… I wouldn’t have gotten one??! 😮😅idk!?

[@molybdaen11]

You finished the nessesary tutorial.

[@20chocsaday]

It used to be the back of my head. But I did have one behind the forehead.

[@SrIgort]

Wow, this happened with me too but in my case it was about sleep paralysis 😢

[@scrowll1565]

Bro learned a skill 💀

[@eRVeLife]

@@scrowll1565 😅😂😂🤣🤣

[@averyskyes9409]

I loved this video so much it was the first thing to come to mind when doing a discussion for my contemporary health class. Gave you credit and included the link, Joe! Great job!!

[@JeroenvanGutsem-u7e]

I am going to tell the judge that i had no choice as there is no free will.

[@YorkistRaven]

😂

[@thomasplace6781]

And they will say, “whether or not you have free will, you are a danger to society. Have fun in jail.”

[@parkloqi]

The judge might say, “I too have no free will. Maximum sentence!”

[@Dachaser322]

The justice system is designed in such a way that they believe that people could have chosen the alternative (e.g. not committing the crime). So they would ignore your comment as it undermines the entire foundation of their system. They couldn't have chosen otherwise anyway.

[@rotorblade9508]

@@Dachaser322it does undermine their system because it is outdated, free will shouldn’t be a criterium in a modern system. Reasons for jail should be : protecting the society of people that behave peacefully and discourage those that might want to do bad things, not because a person is pure evil, that’s stupid

[@jasonpatterson9821]

What's really wild is that understanding that we rationalize things and that we feel resentment toward people we've wronged for that reason means that our brains are changed and are able to stop that behavior. That's the really cool thing - our brains and thus our consciousness are continually changing.

[@jadamcquarrie4509]

yes you said what ive tried talking to friends about! i think that the only intellectual ability that is uniquely human is that we look at what weve done, feel bad, and actively make a plan to change the way we think. kids, underdeveloped adults, and animals make the world around them fit how they feel, instead of thinking they need to change to fit in. since it takes so long for us humans to develop it as a skill and habit, i think it may be unique to us. neuroplasticity is a wonderful thing

[@vulcanfeline]

yes to you both. that's why i believe we Do have free will. some can just run on impulse and get carried along. others decide to change themselves and embark on the, possibly long, road to change. we can have free will, but only if we decide to

[@supercereal3582]

I believe with this study we are asking the question what’s more important the computer or the keyboard? You need both. You need both hemispheres of the brain. It doesn’t remove free will it suggest in order to function you need both hemispheres. Great video.

[@justacameraman4900]

Have you seen the series "Irreducible Mind" from InspiringPhilosophy? I find it covers this topic really well and with sources.

[@supercereal3582]

@@justacameraman4900 I have not but I will give it a watch thank you

[@leviromani3475]

I like to keep my youtube experience less overwhelming, I select from the home page "recommended" or I have a burning curiosity that must be searched. Burning curiosity met your diver accident video. I'm hooked. This was the first next video of yours and I ran with it, double points because it is an area of my particular interests. THE BRAIN!

[@srsherman7]

I had a few strokes a few years ago.. thankfully, i recovered well. But the feeling of not being in control of your extremities is scary.. getting anxiety just thinking about it...

[@Nick_Slavik]

"But whhhhyyyyyy did you click this video" .......the same reason I do every Monday...it's Answers With Joe day! 😃👍

[@SkanMLL]

try and take over the world!

[@LuisSierra42]

makes sense

[@viar888]

Exactly my reason to click this video xD

[@OutdoorLonghair]

👍

[@carmenamy123]

Aw that's such a wholesome respond

[@ericday5323]

Split brain is one of my favorite topics. Im so glad Joe is covering it.

[@Hi_Im_Akward]

I've had this sense of other "people" in my brain for a while. It was probably the worst when i was experiencing my worst depression, anxiety and PTSD symptoms. I talked to several professionals about it and they didn't feel i was having psychotic episodes or that i had DID. As my mental health improved over the years, the "people" inside my head became less pronounced but that feeling has never gone away. What i also find interesting is through exploring my (C)PTSD, there is sort of a "black box" of memories and emotions that is just kind of there and always leaking a bit but I can't fully see inside it and if i try I experience extreme emotional dysregulation. It becomes the most obvious to me when i tried EMDR, and i was NOT ok after it. The brain is weird. I've always felt a bit crazy for having these senses about myself but when i first learned about split brain is when i felt a lot more validated in this feeling. And i will say that these other "people" in my head do feel like strangers in a lot of ways. Like they are not "me" and they say and do some seriously off the wall stuff or really hurtful things. When i went through DBT, that became really clear and i think its because some of the modules go through seperating thoughts from reality and i think what is happening is you make a conscious effort to stop rationalizing the negative thoughts. Like "Im a lazy pos" would come up and i would take it personally and feel it was real. And now when it comes up its almost like some outside person is saying it and my reaction is "shut up Kyle you're being mean" (i named my negative talk "person" Kyle 😅).

[@ellaostlund9580]

As a person who has been living for some years with mental illness, the fact that you don't have control of all of your thoughts and actions is something that basically just becomes apparent from existing. At some point you have give your interpretation module a break, and accept that you're going to having internal experiences that you can't explain, but you'll keep on living anyway.

[@samueltucker8473]

After getting hit with a 24 kvolt fly back transformer I couldn't remember numbers for about six months

[@marcpym5251]

But maybe it was 19kvolt and 4 months. Can you be sure?

[@louisbabycos106]

​@@marcpym5251😅

[@Grocel512]

"I've popped it"

[@Ironbattlemace]

Getting zapped can cause damn bad amnesia. Know some folks that goes to electro-shock therapy, after the therapy, they forget nearly everything about the first day. I can imagine when you get a real ZAPP, you'll brain will be fried for a while.

[@renakunisaki]

I've heard stories about multiple people simultaneously witnessing strange things like the sun blinking out of existence for a second. I wonder if they did in fact all have a brief seizure, caused by some electromagnetic impulse hitting their brains from outside?

[@jaeldi]

There is a flaw in assumptions; There is no control group. All of these findings need to be tested against a person without a divided brain. It's an unsupported leap to assume the way a divided brain works is how a undivided brain works. Nerve tissue is known for compensating and regrowth of new pathways when damaged. For instance I have a couple of 'numb spots' from minor nerve damage after back surgery, but very quickly surrounding nerves would 'fill in the blanks' of touch stimulation. To this day I can't tell the difference between if the nerves 'grew back' or if the surrounding network of nerves got incredibly good at compensating from the loss of sensation that I am no longer conscious of. I do find it interesting that even after being separated, both halves understood questions and the requirement of an answer/response. Is this because the ears are still working and each half has an part of the half that's purpose is 'understanding/interpretation' or is there another pathway where 'understanding' is shared between both halves? Is there free will? At the heart of this debate is the fact that it is easier to prove something exists compared to proving something doesn't exist. For determinists to say "Ah, all your choices are the result of every action, memory, and variable that you experienced before." As a logical person who believes in science, I need better and more concrete evidence other than "your every action is based on previous actions/experiences/variables'. That statement is describing the concept of time more accurately than explaining away free will. I think of it more as 'free choice', because the easiest definition of human will is the word choice. Is choice an illusion? Sometimes, but not always. Choice exists. I think an easy proof that free will exists, that choice exists, is you can still have compassion for those that do not fit in; People can go against their learned/previous actions/experiences/variables. Examples of this abound in history: Germans who chose to protect & rescue Jews in WW2, People who chose to end slavery, People who promote civil rights for Women, Gays, Blacks, Trans, etc., Early explorers who sailed west and were friendly with new cultures, Early thinkers that challenged the way the universe worked. Isn't the very development of Science over Religion an act of free will? If there was no free will, how would any change in culture take place? The act of an individual going against the norm of the culture and experiences they grew up in, sounds like the very definition of free will, free choice. Are the 'free will deniers' going to excuse these active choices to do something different as a byproduct of gene expression? That sounds extremely unlikely. The culture and experiences (the previous actions/experiences/variables) of the bold/new choice makers and their peers who didn't make the same cultural-change choice are virtually the same. Another great example of free will, I refer you to Deep Space Nine, Pilot episode, where Captain Cisco is trying to explain the linear nature of time to a dimensional alien race that lives outside of time. (lol) The pitcher in a baseball game makes a choice of what kind of ball he will throw. High. Low. Curve. Inside. Outside. Ball. He HAS to keep it random to keep the batter guessing. The batter makes a hit, takes a base, and then at any moment can decide to steal. These are examples of free will. I don't think you can prove that every random choice of type of ball thrown or decisions to steal are NOT random choice. You cannot prove that these choices are predetermined. Yes, there are affecting variables based on a lifetime of experience, genetics, and fatigue, but if those variables were enough to prove free will doesn't exist, then every batter would get a hit and never be able to steal a base. You can't 100% predict those things accurately no matter how much baseball data that gets collected. This is proof of free will to me. Alien disguised as Jennifer Cisco: "It is NOT linear." (lol)

[@RoseGoldKR]

I was very much agreeing with you at the start and I loved your criticism of the video, but then your scientific rigour all stopped when we started talking about determinism. A summary of your proof of free will is just "I can't imagine how determinism has emergence, therefore determinism can't exist." We can give people drugs which influence their decisions, that is clearly showing that at least some potion of our choices is caused by deterministic brain chemistry. I can't prove to you that determinism is true any more than you can prove determinism isn't true, but using occam's razor, the simplest explanation is the physically deterministic one. Your baseball batter example could absolutely be explained using deterministic chemistry. Very very very complicated chain reactions which lead to each decision being determined before the match even started, but you would need to have an understanding of every neuron in their brain, and every other atom on the pitch that would influence their brain during the game, and the other people there too. So we can see clearly that the complexity of predicting actions based on deterministic physics is currently impossible with our computational and informational limitations, but that is NOT a proof that determinism doesn't exist. We can't produce stable fusion power here on earth, but that doesn't mean fusion doesn't exist. Practical limitations are NOT proof that a concept doesn't exist.

[@chrissinclair4442]

The whole argument for Free Will being an illusion is being used for governments to for your actions and correct thought, like Vaccines, Free Speech, or child transitioning.

[@FireTiktak]

It's like saying "God exists because you can't proof that he does not exist entirely". Logically free will could not exist. People like to think we are something special and have real control over eveything because that is how they can justify judging others and themselves. It's a fallacy to think free will exists just because you don't know what factors made you come to the decision. Just like the theory of evolution. We talk about how things evolved "to" do something while in reality they didn't do it "for" a reason, there is a reason why it happened. There is always a reason why you made a choice. Consciousness is just you making up a reason in order to understand why you made a decision. Whether it's right or wrong is irrelevant. You don't just randomly stand up and purposefully go outside, find a homeless person and buy them food. Most often you thought about something because of something that recently happened and that made you think about a homeless person and while thinking about it your current situation made you decide to help a random homeless person. Freedom of choice is something different as well and it limited by the information and power you have access to. In your example with the baseball player, can your player decide to make an unknown 4th option? Or can he decide to make it fly faster than he ever could? If he had the information he could make a 4th option and if he had the power he could make it faster. The more choices we have the better we can make our outcomes, statistically, at least. What irks me about the experiments mentioned tho is that after the question "Why did you point to the bell?" and a justified answer was given, the patient then didn't have a chance to reavaluate his answer after being given an explenation of the experiment. Would they still say "I was definitly SURE that my reasoning is correct" or "In hindsight I didn't know but I had to come up with something" If we evaluated our choices more after we made them we would still have no free will but we would at least gain more freedom of choice.

[@Dragaia]

Finally some intelligent answer without blurting out wikipedia!

[@WusterWasti]

@@RoseGoldKR I find it hard to argue about free will when we actively modify the brain or harm it. I mean .. its obvious that we can be manipulated in many ways, directly or inderectly. Hell if you drink too much beer u do things you wouldnt do and you regret it. Does that mean we dont have free will? No it means that chemicals can influence our body and our decisions. Using occams razor is a bit too hasty, because we dont even know how the brain fully works, so how could we make such an early statement? I think that a hypothetical experiment with clones would be interesting. U raise them all the same, expose them all to the same circumstances and look how they react, decide and see the world around them. It would show how much the environment is responsible for making decisions aswell as potentially showing that the clones would all do the exact same choices and actions thus proving more that there is no free will.

[@breceeofficial]

One of the most fascinating times was when I got a head injury. It was then I started to realize that there is me, and my brains, and it was like we were all separate entities vying for control or randomly shouting inside my head. It was equally terrifying as well, as one of the voices was *extremely angry* which is highly unlike me to be. Perhaps that was the injured part. Eventually we all 'merged back together' but overall it was very neat!

[@ilenisaatio]

I've seen "me" as more of a council that reaches decisions. There's a story to go with it. I was heavily and violently bullied as a kid. Dissociation came up as a coping mechanism when being beaten. I got to my teens, and I kept getting more and more depressed. I tried to off myself, but at the last moment I got this swell of rage that I'll be dead in the end anyway, so I can just exist to fuck with others. My suicidality kinda ended there, but depression kept going worse and paranoia learned from having to be afraid of strangers was working wonders. When I was 18, I have 5 months missing. I have vague recollections of being in a spotlighted sphere made of see-through mirror so I could see shadowy shapes outside, but knew they couldn't see me. My parents and friends told me I had been very quiet and withdrawn the whole time. Spent a lot of time on long walks. This is where the interesting thing kicks in. I occasionally found myself slipping into the "backseat" and follow mutliple chains of thoughts in this weird consciousness of a flash of images or feelings or a voice or abstract feeling kind of way. And I could see and hear the outside world, but my I didn't have much part in what happened. With time, I learned some control over it, as to usually be able to slip willingly in the background and back out. It feels kinda... weird. Like this twisting warping of all senses and awareness of the surroundings. At 25, I crashed bad. Like, walls whisper-level bad. But I could slip out and have a nice calm look at everything, the chains of thought, the feelings, and reason that it's not what's really happening, and I can leave it at that. I had done the same with the paranoidish feelings earlier. Now, I don't mean they didn't affect me. They did, as it's really hard to not notice if a part of you keeps pressing the alarm button all the time. It meant I could fight it more effectively. But anyway. At that whispers-in-the-walls-point, I decided it was kinda time to go seek help. It's already getting long, so My shrink(s) have been very puzzled with my self-awareness and ability to stay aware of such strong psychotic symptoms. Also, according to psychological tests, I should've been unable to function outside a facility, and that I kept saying "it's just a feeling and I don't have to go along with those most of the time" was weird to them. They said they've read and heard of people like me, but had never met one. It's not super rare, but not common either. And now, in my fourties, I got told my neurotype is autistic, so it gave a nice little extra flavour over everything with the myriad ways we experience and process things differently from the neuromajority.

[@himarei]

It's so hard to get help when you aren't neurotypical.

[@vaakdemandante8772]

or maybe there's just this "fail safe" module in some people that let them escape/step out from reality and disconnect other most destructive/ill-adapted modules so that the organism as a whole can still function and get through the difficult phase. Most people escape through drugs/alcohol with severe side-effects. Maybe you can do it on your own without additional substance in your veins. Good for you. Who knows, maybe there's even some creative part to it that can see more than the other modules can.

[@rosezy755]

I'm autistic and also dealt with heavy dissociation as a kid, I don't remember a lot of that time but at least what you wrote feels very familiar. I think trying to off myself is what kicked the dissociation into full gear. After attempting to meet death twice and failing, I'd gave up and took a backseat in life. In this time though my mind was very strange yet "thoughtful." I find dissociating makes you very aware of your internal world. Yet if I tried to stop and directly observe my mind I would feel as if I had no thoughts, and I'd never completely remember what I was just thinking about. I'd even lost my ability to daydream or imagine things. I could logically think, but without thoughts. So much didn't bother me because I didn't have access to my emotions, even less so nowadays. I couldn't understand how I kept going when inside I didn't even feel real or functional, but at the end of the day the dissociation saved me from the depression. You feel safe once you're in it but the bitch is trying to get out of it. I really hope to have full emotions again one day. Wishing you well with your struggles too

[@allesdurchprobiert]

Holy sh1t! Both your stories remind me of myself to an extent. I'm probably autistic, and I am daydreaming of a better life multiple times EVERY day since roughly 20 years. I have chronic medium high functioning depression and since then I never felt truly awake and alive. A therapist would probably say I don't have access to my emotions. Oh, and I figured out I have some childhood trauma too. I'll have all of that diagnosed in the next years hopefully. Anyways, I never made the connection between autism and daydreaming or dissociation. Thanks for the input!

[@Freak80MC]

Stuff like this makes me wish I could visualize better. I do a lot of visualization in my head as coping skills, daydreaming I guess you could call it. But it's never as real as the real world. Sometimes I wonder how I'm even held together, like I should be seeing and hearing things all the time yet I don't. Somehow my mind has held together despite all the trauma and despite the fact that my coping skills barely work. It feels like my mind has somehow held together despite it all and I just don't know how.

[@quinnk1n]

they should start showing this guy in schools; not only does he talk about every subject under the sun, but he keeps it interesting and easily digestible

[@grdfhrghrggrtwqqu]

I can confirm as someone that isn't in any form of education, but remembers being in it once upon a time ago, that the teachers would just share youtube videos. even in 2010... and let that do the talking. Seems war doesn't change after all.

[@woodandwandco]

To be honest, this is just misinformation. Separating the brain in two does not prove we have no free will. It proves that opponent processing, the process by which the brain organizes and distributes information across the hemispheres, is interrupted, thereby splitting the brain into two echo chambers. This proves that integration processes in the brain are key to what beliefs are held, and when the integration ceases, we can see opposing beliefs emerge. This is how the brain operates anyway, minus the lack of integration. One side of the brain maximizes salience, the other minimizes salience. When you disconnect them from one another, you get one part of the brain that is maximizing salience only, and the other part minimizing salience. Beliefs are not the foundation of free will, choice is. Every mind holds contradictory beliefs, and the proof is doubt. When you doubt something, it's because you are conflicted between two beliefs. If you stop the opponent processing, instead of being doubtful, you become certain of both opposites. This has to do with what your brain finds relevant, not what you are as a being, or what capabilities you have beyond the mind, so this experiment, in no way, shape, or form, proves that you have no free will. What it does prove is that a well-integrated brain is essential to relevance realization. A final point is that even if the brain is disconnected down the center, if the being in question has an expansive enough identity, meaning that they do not unconsciously identify with their mind and body, then their awareness remains intact and unified. The mind will still hold contradictory beliefs (as it always does). Choice belongs to awareness. If the awareness level of the individual is low, they have no free will anyway, and they are trapped in cause and effect, reacting to everything and responding to nothing. Through awareness, choices can be made, but they are not made by your brain, they are made by awareness.

[@Plisko1]

As someone with ADHD and autism... oh yeah... there is a lot up there going on that I don't have control over.

[@allinairhanson6886]

I also have in addition to those, so on top of that I have to like, have council and cooperate with every else inside here

[@ARTISTESSER-123]

I have autism too. I feel that my body is an entirely seperate entity too me, that only occasionally and briefly have substantial control over.

[@allinairhanson6886]

@ my pretty looking meat mech it is

[@alicechen7937]

It’s amazing to think about how very different one person’s “programming” can be from another’s. Personally, I have found I had no to little free will as a child, and the more my duality observed and became aware of itself, the more freedom I had. I became more and more able to alter my programming to my liking.