The surprising reason behind Imam Tom Facchine's journey to Islam

[@johnwalker6042]

As a Roman Catholic, I love Tom’s insight here: Vatican II was a capitulation.

[@kausamsalam8543]

@jj-yi1nePossibly because Hatred is not inculcated in the Quran. Have you read those two psalms that teach hatred and violence and fear written by men?

[@SnakeySerpentine]

@jj-yi1neu suck at life

[@danieljohnson1924]

Al hamdulillah. May Allah bless both of these intelligent Brothers.

[@DidiDa-v9l]

Mash'allah, great discussion. Islam honors us.

[@MS-og1bc]

Really enjoyed this conversation esp observations on secularism, irreligiosity. Vatican II was a new revelation for me. Also I've found that the recognition of other epistemologies especially indigenous ways of knowing has given me permission to comfortably assert Islamic ways of knowing, at least in academic contexts. Also where are these guys sitting, looks beautiful!

[@theskydebreuil]

Am an agnostic but man Tom makes a lot of sense 😁

[@saveUyghurs]

MashAllah if I could only have a fraction of Imam Tom’s wealth of knowledge

[@songscreen]

Imam Tom....as usual excellent. MA!

[@Burrburrcloud]

Islam is perfect for humanity. Allah knows what's best for us. Allahuakbar!

[@zaidiripin9408]

Thank you for sharing

[@fire.smok3]

great talk

[@----f]

This was the single best discussion I've seen with Imam Tom. I'm an agnostic muslim and ignorant of postmodernism, so I found this very enlightening. I look forward to Imam Tom's work on Yaqeen!

[@oui775]

What do you mean by agnostic muslim

[@aadilkader]

I hope that's a typo because you can't be an agnostic Muslim...

[@----f]

@@oui775 I am practicing but don't believe

[@oui775]

@@----f do you mean believing but not practicing ? Because I don't understand how you can practice if you dont believe

[@----f]

I don't practice too much nor do I believe. But I practice more than I believe. I mostly abstain from haram and I pray every now and then. I remember God when I wake up. I don't understand how I can practice without believing either, that's why I don't practice much. I'm not fully convinced of Islam

[@nl.dauhoo]

I was moved by the writing of Foucault as well. True, i was shocked by his biography, too. 😂😂😂😂😂

[@ummayesha111]

Subhanallah really appreciated this discussion. Is the feminism v patriarchy argument the reason why lgbtq ideology is so easily introduced these days ? men v women in the past , and now gender fluidity as a reaction to that ?

[@nl.dauhoo]

Feminism started after WW2, climaxed in the 70s after 1968. By the 1980s, there was a kind of revolution in homosexuality and the +++ followed the craziness routes. Should say that the S* abuse on children spiked in parallel. The more plus the more abuse happening underneath.

[@BB-nh6ij]

Islam is not a religion by any standard. It is a value-based, socio-economic system based on permanent laws of the Quran . These laws are immutable. Consequences are attached to all our actions, good or bad. In other words, our self is held accountable while being given the freedom to choose our actions. Our Creator reminds us to stay within boundaries of these laws to maintain harmony on earth. The Quran is a complete book with all of these laws. Read free, online PDF books by Ghulam Ahmed Perwez: Islam, A Challenge to Religion.

[@sonarbangla8711]

Islam is a religion for everyone, not just for Muslims. What is more, it never says that praying five times a day, or fasting 30 days, Hajj, or donating Zakat will ensure you heaven. The only way to be able to go to heaven is by cultivating IMAN. Here is when most misunderstand Islam, divine design gave every individual the quality to judge evil from good, so everyone can judge his or hers activities and feel if he or she is liked by god or not. A Christian, Hindu, or a Buddhist can be liked if he or she can cultivate Iman. Every individual knows Sharia and knows how to conduct one self.

[@BB-nh6ij]

@sonarbangla8711 Your are correct. Islam is not a religion by any standard. It is a value-based, socio-economic system based on permanent laws of the Quran . These laws are immutable. Consequences are attached to all our actions, good or bad. In other words, our self is held accountable while being the freedom to choose our actions. Our Creator reminds us to stay within boundaries of these laws to maintain harmony on earth. Read free PDF books by Ghulam Ahmed Perwez.

[@nassrjabakhanji338]

A mushrik hindu or christian or an atheist buddhist can feel if they are liked by Allah SWT?

[@naserrahman1877]

1:25 3:30

[@danielpetergriffin]

19:05 surprise uthman badar 😂😂

[@moally4696]

May Allah grant victory to our brothers and sisters of Palestine. We will defeat this evil cult of Zionism together, inshaa Allah. Love from a Bangladeshi 🇧🇩

[@salim444]

And to you too in Bangladesh ❤. Foght for I just islamic system and may Allah be with you and grant you one

[@danielpetergriffin]

Less than an hour? 😢

[@Saad-qe6ku]

The interviewer really needs to let his guests speak instead of interrupting.

[@azy78]

Hmm, I kind of get that but I also feel the interviewer adds things in that clarifies and further enlightens the topic.

[@shoaibriz]

Is Imam Tom from wahabi persuasion ? He did study in Medina uni which is a state enterprise of ksa

[@rinlizer2605]

study in madina does not mean that you are wahabi,brother

[@shoaibriz]

@@rinlizer2605 ofcourse brother. but if one swims in shit one one gets dirty.

[@nassrjabakhanji338]

@@shoaibriz Read Khalq Af'aal Al'ibad by Imam AlBukhari. You'll come out takfiring yourself you idiot.

[@noonwraith401]

You are literally a rafida What are you doing here?Go curse the companions of Prophet and his wife.

[@nl.dauhoo]

​@@rinlizer2605I do not see the usual stupidity of brainwashed Wahabbis/Salafis in Imam Tom. May be he's still learning.

[@johngurvan8279]

Some people are easily lead

[@mercymujahid]

I was looking forward to this discussion but found it to be incredibly disappointing. Simply using philosophical language in order to categorize thought does not render your conception any more profound or strong in its validity. Unfortunately, this trope of using deconstructionist philosophy to only reconstruct traditional/conservative narratives is not at all different to the status quo. Clerics have used this approach for decades now - I do applaud Imam Facchine for having the intellectual adab to at least credit this approach properly. That being said, there is nothing new here at all. I realize that my comment might read as if I'm conflating new w/ necessarily better - but, I instead, believe that new approaches are necessary due to the lack of effectiveness of previous approaches that we've seen fail time and time again.

[@MacmillansDiciple]

Quite a few unfounded assumptions in your comment. You are using terms like clerics, conservative, effective, and new in quite a loaded fashion. How do you define what is effective and what do you mean by previous approaches and seeking something new? Do you mean progressive distortions of the tradition that surrender to the dictates of Liberalism and progressive movements such as LGBT? And no, your dismissive attitude to the language used here as merely decorative shows that you aren't satisfied with the ideas discussed here or that you don't know what these terms really mean and want some normie level progressivism.

[@mercymujahid]

@@MacmillansDiciple AA, jazak 4 the response and apologies for what you've described as a dismissive attitude - I assure you the latter was not intended. I'd like to push back on certain characterizations you've made of my comment - I'm not quite sure what is so loaded by my term usage. Indeed, I've used each term in accordance with it's most standard definitions found in any modern dictionary. As for what I'm interested in - I believe erecting a dichotomy between what Imam Facchine describes above and what you've discerned as "Liberalism & progressive movements such as LGBT" is, as many proposed dichotomies are, entirely false. I do believe we have a large intellectual tradition and corpus of Islamic intellectual studies that provide more than enough resources for us to be able to interrogate and re-introduce previously less widespread interpretations/understandings/lessons that provide a much more practical approach to the modern context. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "normie progressivism" - as far as I can discern the large majority of the world, especially in context of governance and leadership, has, and continues to, swing toward the right. That being said, "normie progressivism" & "progressive movements such as LGBT" aren't really identifiable political ideologies. I can say that, colloquially, this kind of language is usually used to reference a large swathe of leftist political ideologies. Personally, I'd be really interested in seeing Islamic interrogations of some of these movements and wouldn't be so inclined to see others. All this being said - I was eagerly hoping that Imam Facchine would be doing that very thing in this interview, hence my disappointment.

[@MacmillansDiciple]

@mercymuj4hid It sounds like you want cherry picking of the tradition divorced of context and in accordance with the dictates of western thought and without any Islamic usul that underpins how opinions are formed. Can you please address this directly then: do you support Muslim reformism, especially of the progressive variety, and do you want to include LGBT as an acceptable category in Modern Muslim discourse and living?

[@mercymujahid]

@@MacmillansDiciple I really don't know how you got that from my comment - I literally pointed to the vastness of our tradition as an ideological framework, or 'underpinning' to use your language, to interrogate/understand modern issues. I don't wish to discuss my personal opinions on the matters you speak of not exclusively because they have nothing to do with my original comment, but also because you clearly haven't absorbed the points I made in my initial reply (regarding the vast swathe of viewpoints/ideologies that progressivism refers to colloquially). JAK for allowing me to clarify my comment. Peace 💜

[@talhaahsanlondon]

I agree with OP. I've met Imam Tom very briefly. I like to think he is an effective imam to his local congregation but he is not AHM. He is what a clever person looks like to a stupid person. I don't find what he says profound, insightful or inspiring. But good luck to him. After a few years, I hope I'm eating humble pie. I like Salman as a person. His Islamism is benign compared to what else is out there. I like him because he is a jolly fat person.

[@advocate1563]

Yawn.

[@ghazanhussain2070]

If Foccult brings him to Islam then his Islam must be very doubious 😂😂😂

[@illi1059]

watch the video fully

[@ghazanhussain2070]

I did and I read lot of postmodernism that's ridiculous stuff 😂😂😂

[@illi1059]

@@ghazanhussain2070 then why didn't you pick up on the fact he litteraly called foucault a "devil" if you watched the video? he spent a whole video explaining it

[@ghazanhussain2070]

@@illi1059 okay I am wrong then 🥺

[@f1aziz]

Just because he came to Islam through Foccult doesn't mean he takes Islam from Foccult. Through out 1400 years people became Muslim for all kinds of reasons, it's Allah's will alone who He guides through whatever means towards Islam, you and I don't have a say in it.