The System76 Thelio Major -- 2990WX Threadripper Monster

[@vskye1]

If System76 is looking for feedback, here you go. Add a standard rear io shield. It's rather silly to toss a case as nice as this in 4 years when you want to swap out the motherboard. Also adding quality headphone / mic and USB ports to the front would be ideal. The power button is nice and all, but add a standard panel with all the connections like a standard case. (make it awesome of course!) This could all be done in house btw.

[@RyTrapp0]

I completely agree - too many limitations in the name of nothing more than style. It's really nice looking, damned clean, but I just don't give a fuck about having a "hole-less" front panel, let alone a "cleaner" I/O shield(that NO ONE will ever see...)

[@jlrockafella]

Buy a dremmel for your case and if you want a drill + riveter.

[@cadhlakai]

I build these, and I agree, but I don't get to make those decisions...

[@John-ce2bx]

Would love to buy the case separate with I/O cut out

[@Metal-Possum]

I guess they're trying to be Apple in some ways...

[@magoid]

That case could use more non-Apple design shenanigans: - No frontal USB? Are you serious? So If I wan to to plug a flash drive or a USB HDD I have to go to the back of the case, or use a USB hub with a long cable, on a 8.000 dollar machine? - You cannot power up the machine with the cover removed? That is brilliant man! Makes life really easy when you have to troubleshoot hardware problems! - So on you have the trouble to develop a opensource daughter board, but make the case where you cannot change the motherboard for another model if it dies on a few years, just like all those proprietary Dell/HP/Lenovo systems? Please System76, you can be the Apple of the Linux world, but don't do the same mistakes they do just to appear cool.

[@omgitzanarwhal]

The designare has a power switch on the motherboard.

[@magoid]

@@omgitzanarwhal Good to know. This point is now okayish since you cannot change the board for another model.

[@burnzy3210]

bridge the power pins, job done

[@Metal-Possum]

You shouldn't really need to have a computer open to troubleshoot the hardware, that's what error codes are for. Staring at a chip won't tell you it's broken or not. Same thing being a network engineer, very rarely will you actually look at a physical piece of hardware to diagnose a hardware issue. As for front USB, I can't think of the last time I actually used it. Everything is wireless these days anyway.

[@bryku]

I do agree with what your saying, but you can just jump the pins to start it.

[@raiscl]

Holy cow!!! Look at that HTOP!

[@PremierPrep]

I love what System76 is doing! My next system most likely will be a System76 laptop.

[@knightshousegames]

It's cool to see this thing reviewed. I'd never get one myself, but the wood on that case looks so cool, it's such a unique look. I hope other case companies start producing such premium looking cases, though with a proper mobo cutout. I've wanted one of these guys' laptops for years

[@ibonitog]

I watch a lot of youtube (i know, i know..:/ ), but your videos are the only ones where i actually bother to regularly like them, because they are really good! :)

[@nurglerider781]

I have a Galago Pro... Absolutely love it. System76 is way underrated

[@lflyr6287]

Level1Techs : great informative video but I can't wait for the detailed one you always make afterwards Wendell ;).

[@rogerhonacki5610]

Everyone makes a big deal out of the lack of front ports, but you can get a Belkin hub if you want one?

[@kingeng2718]

Nice job system76 Thanks for POP_OS Thanks Level1Techs for review

[@GearSeekers]

I would love to buy this case on its own.

[@Kenji1685]

The gigabyte designare x399 comes with wifi antenna screws which would have to protrude out from the I/O shield. The fact that they aren't there on the thelio probably means they modified the motherboard; removing antenna.

[@xDownSetx]

As a Designare EX owner I'm curious if System76 included any software specific to that motherboard in POP!_ OS (fan speed control, hardware monitoring).

[@gunner75171]

Backplate is kind of a deal breaker.

[@DenGuleBalje]

It almost is. That motherboard has an integrated backplate as far as I know. I feel like they could have achieved a similar look by cutting a standard hole and replace the backplate with one that's the same color as the rest of the case.

[@Teknickel_ftw]

The only time that would be a problem is if you change the motherboard

[@GeorgeD1]

@Meso Phyl You should not have to physically modify the case of a ~$8000 work station computer if you want to swap the motherboard. This IS a deal breaker.

[@user-co7oi1of6u]

Deal breaker for me is the lack of an "empty case" option.. I'd gladly pay a premium for the design, but I've no need of a pre-built system (or the limited options for cpu/gpu)

[@bryku]

@@user-co7oi1of6u I really want that case. I could even lazer cut the backplate if I had to. Have they said anything about it?

[@DenGuleBalje]

Eric S. Raymond deserves it. Absolute legend, seems like a really great person too. (Though I would probably put two Radeon VIIs in it instead, and with the second card two slots down)

[@barkingbandicoot]

Yep, and well done to System 76 for doing that! This certainly makes me want to put System 76 on the top of my list for my next linux machine!

[@TrueThanny]

5:40 I've seen similar things on a number of server cases I've built with.

[@TrueThanny]

3:40 I agree. That's stupid. Especially with that motherboard (and every other X399?), which has an integrated I/O plate. Just cut a standard ATX rectangular hole, guys.

[@yasha8951]

Looking forward for that ESR video, hope he gets more screen time this time :)

[@xxpandathomasxx]

I've beem waiting for this review

[@atomicorang]

Very fortunate you are.

[@peterjansen4826]

I am curious about this one! I have seen those systems on their website because Lunduke advertised it, those cases look fancy (real wood, it looks great but it should also dampen sound quite well) and System 76 claims that these systems have proper ventilation without getting noisy. I assembly my own system but I like what I saw. Except for that they should offer more AMD products and faster RAM for their systems. I recommend you guys to search the video from DIY Percs where he made his own case with wood. That is how I know that wood is an excellent material for computercases, I would guess that most of you like this channel and his projects. He also mounted a D15 to a graphics card. Badass!

[@terryweaver9140]

Been waiting for someone to review this. I've got one of their Kudu laptop.

[@mikebolton2388]

How is it?

[@terryweaver9140]

@@mikebolton2388 Excellent although no longer available. 17 inch matte screen, mouse pad is a little bad but I use a Bluetooth one most of the time.PopOS is great I've not had any issues.

[@mikebolton2388]

@@terryweaver9140 is pop OS the same as you would download it from there website? I want to get into Linux systems more but it seems like a lot. :)

[@terryweaver9140]

@@mikebolton2388 Yep exactly the same and it's easy to use I installed it on a friends laptop and his 12 year old loves it.

[@mikebolton2388]

@@terryweaver9140 sweet. I'm give it a shot. It's not resource hungry is it?

[@Mireaze]

I need this in my life!

[@ChrisDecrease]

Thanks for mentioning some of the components used. I'm building a similar PC on PCPP and it didn't help not knowing what mobo, RAM, and SSDs are used. I was _really_ considering buying one of these, but the non-standard I/O backplate's kind of a bummer. I might have been able to ignore that if it had USB + audio ports in the front.

[@maddmethod5880]

Making the entire case specific to the designare probably makes it a dealbreaker for lots of people

[@TrueThanny]

6:55 Where did the BIOS screens go?

[@tomyy666]

Great video

[@johncnorris]

This system can be yours at a price of $7,817. ( or 263 a month )

[@tanmaypanadi1414]

That's the price or are you talking about a similar specs with parts

[@johncnorris]

@@tanmaypanadi1414 - it's from System76's webpage with the parts I was sure about.

[@frankpham1782]

The system that I am building is costing me north of $14,000 AUD, no software included. It's nuts! The workstation is inspired by Wendell Gigabyte Threadripper 2990 workstation. Installing Linux and KVM at the moment for a multi-user setup. No, no gaming. Main focus is AI/ML and some video edit.

[@battlebuddy4517]

@@frankpham1782 that's my future build

[@bitrot42]

I believe “interlock” is the name for the switch that cuts power when the cover is off. Not sure why you’d want that on a PC, unless there’s some major issue with the thermals/airflow when it’s open. It’s nice to see a unique system design, but some of their choices seem less than ideal.

[@JeremySoller]

The system *does not* turn off when the case is opened!

[@bitrot42]

Jeremy Soller ah, that’s better, then. Is it for “intrusion detection” or adjusting fan speeds, then?

[@JeremySoller]

@@bitrot42 It is only for the power button connection

[@jtoddjb]

I'd like to see more woodgrain on cases

[@madant7777]

Should laser-edge "Ripp it Baby!" on the side.

[@MrSammotube]

Chassis intrusion detection? That was a thing in the past, but it disappeared for some reason.

[@joshhardin666]

you're shaking down a system for THE esr!? that's epic!

[@ericraymond3734]

Yes. Yes, it is.

[@joshhardin666]

@@ericraymond3734 I'm a big fan of your writing! Thank you for your contributions! I also refer various folks to the jargon file probably more than I should. I very much enjoy hacker anthropology and nostalgia.

[@LloydLynx]

They covered my precious PS/2 port!

[@SeanClarke]

How many displays can it drive and how fast is it? Does anyone remember the thrill of your machine going noticeably faster back when you'd upgrade from a 68000 to a 68030?

[@Mutation666]

Did you test 10gbe card in there, would be curious about how well the air flow would be on it

[@wUFr]

so much base in the intro my head got blown up before i got any futher. GG tho

[@andrewe3165]

Side camera is great

[@Danwald10]

dig the music

[@plasma06]

System 76 "This system has you in its sights"

[@rogerhonacki5610]

OK, I gotta ask. After cutting square holes for usb, why didn’t they just drill a hole for the mouse port? I know, nobody uses them, but there might be someone?

[@nextlifeonearth]

Don't give Eric a PC with an Nvidia GPU. That's a very bad idea.

[@tanmaypanadi1414]

You just read my mind

[@raiscl]

Exactly!

[@Level1Techs]

S'all good. Got a WX7100 for him already and trading the 2080s for 128gb ram :D

[@user-ro1cc8tz6d]

Wow system76, my best

[@driesgypen1007]

What software is he using in the background? 9:03

[@Xantioss]

Htop

[@md.imamulislam7]

If you think that's cool, check out glances and gotop.

[@axi6ne8us]

Would they build an ASRock x399m taichi with a 2950x in a small compact case?

[@josefinamor2460]

Amazing

[@markdavenportjr5129]

Very nice I might get my first system from system76 since pop os looks like might be my next os. :)

[@uncivil_engineer8013]

0:08 Who ya gonna call?

[@mrlithium69]

nice bass on the intro music

[@PratikChatse]

Is that really true? Nvidia doesnt want to train tf models on their cards?

[@egalf]

They also don't want you to use their drivers in HPC environments if you want to use the cheaper consumer cards. Caused quite a bit of uproar because they did a license change with almost no public announcement at all.

[@HontasFarmer80]

This shows what Linux can be if a company really takes seriously building a computer to 100% support it natively as the first class citizen. It can be just as easy as MacOS YET also open.

[@The_Benjamins]

My issue with the desktops from them is that the part cost is too high, the prices where set when stuff cost so much more.

[@Pirxel]

System 76 FTW!

[@b2bb]

Colorado made bb. JK get me out of this state. P.S. New background music :thumbsup:

[@yasinarif7291]

Doesn't the top graphics card get choked with the second graphics card limiting the air flow, the gap between them is tiny

[@tanmaypanadi1414]

If not blower style yup you are correct I want to check what if we use one blower and on other triple fan GPU does it make it better or worse

[@AndrejGeorgievski]

Blower cards have no problems in this configuration. I was recently talking with an MIT researcher who assembled a $6200 USD machine learning machine with 3x RTX 2080 Tis - he said that with 3 multi-fan open style cards, the topmost card thermal throttles and loses ~15% performance under prolonged full load, even with ample airflow. The other cards run a bit warmer, but don't throttle. This issue was eliminated when 3 blower-style 2080 Ti cards were swapped in the system. System76 did their homework - job well done!

[@yasinarif7291]

Thank you, @@AndrejGeorgievski

[@bocephus3699]

Love this dudes candar

[@MegaAshabasha]

Give that man more small colorful candies!!!

[@AbdulelahAlJeffery]

0:18 0:51 now you see it. now you don't

[@tribal_chief_savage]

I want to know can I play all Resident Evil games for Thelio Major or other Thelio computers.

[@anpr]

Would love to benchmark our anpr program

[@fuseteam]

-jerk- snap crackle pop guess we just need a jerk and a crackle lol

[@pimpstick2]

I own one of their serval laptops with an 8700k and a gtx 1080, but it's just a clevo. It might even be built by segar(accoring to hear say onliine) as I asked about getting a different wifi card put in before I ordered it an I think they said that they are built in a warehouse in CA(but that's probably just their clevos or whatever). So I hear getting hardware support is a bitch as proposedly they have to go through segar to get it done. But custom stripped IME is worth it, I have also never heard of a company supporting a machine in the ways of I fucked it up an told them I fucked it up and they sent me a shipping label no charge an had it back to me real quick(from UT to CO). I was trying to under volt the 8700k(as you are never going to find a laptop to handle an 8700k capable of not thermal throttling without under volting), set it to static and heavy handedly set it a bit too low then it would not even go in to bios. I even stopped by their CO office and bullshitted with them for a min an everybody was super cool.

[@alessandrosuppini943]

Hey Wendell, what are you using to cool the 2990wx?

[@JuanGonzalez-hv6vs]

System 76 should have made some holes and create some meshing for fresh air to go through the tower.

[@geodome83]

No hardware benchmarking?

[@MarkGast]

Wait, am I on drugs or is Wendell?

[@DanielLopez-up6os]

Both.

[@DenGuleBalje]

Wendell is my drug

[@alphayun7401]

does the x99 gigabyte designare ex have Platform Security Processor on it? because i heard system 76 computers do not have minix or Platform Security Processor on it

[@lesliestandifer]

Ugh I am still waiting on threadripper 3

[@JAMIEX1988]

you totally forgot to blurred the barcode at 0:50 too 0:51 rip

[@rlund3]

I'm kind of mad. My wife insists on watching Wendal and she understands nothing he says. (Her own words).

[@tanmaypanadi1414]

She seems to be great at motivating your passions You got a keeper

[@rlund3]

@@tanmaypanadi1414 Agreed.

[@AdHdEntertainmentLLC]

I have been wanting to get into a System 76 system. Have to get my money up for something like that

[@cataria3903]

as a ps/2 keyboard user, and knowing, that there are ALOT! of cases, where usb drivers won't work, but ps/2 will work, as it always works :D so why oh why did they a: use a io cover, that obstructs ports and is part of the case, thus unchangeable. and b: why oh why did they not make their own really nice io cover, that is still just screwed in and thus changeable? like seriously, people might want to switch motherboards at one point and not having a changeable io port cover is just insane! for this system a "laser cut your own" custom io cover would be perfect, so why not have that? who was sleeping when designing this....

[@nextlifeonearth]

Their design is open source. Maybe they accept pull requests?

[@cataria3903]

good point. but that openness and pro consumer mindset from beginning to the end of this system is kinda what makes this oversight even weirder...

[@kevadu]

I clung to PS/2 a long time myself but...it's time to get over it. Modern motherboards--even those *with* PS/2 ports--don't even have real PS/2 hardware in them. I mean they have the physical ports, sure, but they emulate the interface in firmware. So PS/2 isn't any more low-level than USB, really. And have you really had issues with a USB keyboard not working on a system made in the last 5 years? Really?

[@cataria3903]

to give a possible example of usb issue, installing windows 7 on a really modern platform, where u would have to insert the usb drivers into the installer from what i read, OR use the ps/2 port to get the system installed and then install the usb drivers. and i got a wasd keyboard here myself (it has garbage keycaps that start falling apart long before 1 year, don't buy one!) it has n-key rollover only ps/2 port and not usb, this was not a design flaw btw, back then the only way to get true n-key rollover was the ps/2 port, hence why all highend gaming keyboards or good keyboards in general shipped with ps/2 and usb ports. so personally i would definitely want a ps/2 port on my next motherboard too and i don't want an io plate, that hides the hide and is part of the case, that is for sure :D and it's not like it's an igpu, where people argue, that having an igpu in a highend cpu like the 9900k or 8700k is worth having, COMPARED TO 2 MORE CORES!!! or cheaper chips. i mean it's a damn ps/2 port it costs like what 3 cents to put on the motherboard... with most boards having place on the io to put on there for sure. even the x399 gigabyte board in this video would have extra place on the io port to put more stuff there if need would really be there. so for the 3 cents or whatever much it costs, i want to keep my handy and still useful (n-key rollover on old keyboards) ps/2 port. if u think in regards to old highend keyboards, then it's kinda an enthusiast highend port even.... regardless of it's ancient history :D and with people using keyboards they like until they die or beyond (model m people cough), this possible use and desire to have that port certainly wouldn't go away quick, even though some motherboard manufacturers start to remove it directly from motherboards already... :/

[@joseroman6484]

I have this motherboard and I noticed that the case is covering one of the two vents that the motherboard comes with. I'm curious to know if it affects the performance. Does it make the fan located in the rear IO louder?

[@JuanGonzalez-hv6vs]

I don't have the system, but I would not be surprised if it does.

[@t3servo545]

Can you let me know where the file xorg.conf is located? This is the file that saves the GPU settings. I tries Pop!_OS (NVDIA) 19.04 and it would not let me change the NVIDIA setting. It seems that the setting are stored in the missing xorg.conf file.

[@EposVox]

Oh man this is sick, but the rear IO bit is disappointing

[@hishamk6514]

Is the power cord / PSU input port a proprietary or just required for powerline that is above 1000W ?

[@Spirit_Architect]

Isolation switch?

[@sonicjms]

The name of the song should be in the attribution, I must know what it's called

[@sheenismhaellim2215]

I always wanted System76, but it's so expensive and not to mention shipping rates for people like me in the Philippines.

[@jlrockafella]

Price?

[@vordreller6428]

Hey, nice background music.

[@Wintelburst]

Please do feed this wild animal more often! Great video again, even when Wendel acts crazy... or does he?

[@tanmaypanadi1414]

The fontlogo in what ever that circular bit in youtube is can you share how you made it or where you got it done I am looking for something similar

[@Groaznic]

Good, now install Boinc on it, connect it to World computing grid project and join the AMD team and let it run :)

[@geodome83]

Kinda disappointed CentOS or Fedora Workstation isn't provided by vendor.

[@tehsimo]

That case looks slick A F

[@Nomaran]

System 76 ftw.

[@Gamez4eveR]

3:30 if Apple made a Linux box lmfao

[@SDKSeizO]

Reviewing black case in dim room - I can't see a thing. Not that I would buy one to check it close :)

[@4mon05]

Damn that a sexy case

[@saadalnour472]

You should review one of Tuxedo Computers systems

[@MichaelBartonMTS]

What is Eric working on?

[@user-ro1cc8tz6d]

Linux stuff, he is a/been an important person

[@MarkRose1337]

Converting repositories with his program reposurgeon. He's having trouble converting GCC's repo from subversion to git and doesn't have the funds to buy a 128 GB box. His existing 64 GB machine "Beast" has insufficient memory.

[@Metal-Possum]

Eric Raymond, the guy who is a little bit controversial when you read about some of the things he's said.

[@Felix-ve9hs]

Budget Ripper

[@xxxxxx-xc6qh]

what's an eric rainman?

[@DenGuleBalje]

Eric S. Rainman? He's creating rain, and Linux stuff.

[@richard975]

I run 6x16gb=96gb gskill aegis @ 3200mhz on x399 1920x designare, its pretty sweet

[@stan6458]

Can we just get the motherboard?

[@Neumah]

Wait what? You're not allowed to runt neural nets on 2080s?

[@nextlifeonearth]

Nope. You're also disallowed to put them in render farms, you have to get Teslas/Quadros for that on Nvidia.

[@Neumah]

@@nextlifeonearth Render farms and for virtual machines I kinda get, since those are more like infrastructure designs, for (most likely) a commercial environment, and require a modified bios if I'm not mistaken (at least the VMs). But neural nets are just a regular type of workload that the card is fully capable of without modification, right?

[@nextlifeonearth]

@@Neumah They're perfectly well suited for render farms too. Same with VMs. No modified bios needed. Researchers (at universities or cancer research etc.) are one of the organisations that need a render farm. Those aren't quite commercial environments. They have to pay 5 to 10x to get the same compute power.

[@kevadu]

@@Neumah There really is no legitimate reason for it. The actual reason is that Nvidia's approved cards are massively more expensive...sure they're a bit faster too but they're not nearly fast enough to justify the price. Especially when neural net workloads can usually scale over multiple GPUs quite well. Machine learning is big business and so Nvidia wants those customers to pay more money without actually giving them anything that would justify the price.

[@maartenc6099]

Sys76 in morsecode. Somebody is a ham?

[@PcGameHunter]

What's with the dystopian music :D ?

[@MrSamadolfo]

🤔

[@PrincessTS01]

IS THAT REAL WOOD?