Favorite Algonquin story: Alexander Woolcott flounces in like a dirigible that has escaped it's mooring, holding aloft a copy of his latest book. Says Woolcott: "Ah! A Woolcott first edition! WHAT is more rare? Franklin P. Adams, without looking up from his lunch, responds: "A Woolcott SECOND edition."
@donreed3 жыл бұрын
It is possible that this joke (as good as it is), is not original. I read it in a book about one of Max Beerbohm's best friends, the brilliant with and atrocious writer, Reggie Turner ("Reggie, A Portrait of Reginald Turner," Stanley Weintraub), all of whose novels went into instant oblivion the day they were published.
@therealchuck13532 жыл бұрын
🙄😐😬..😆😂😅😍
@colinwilson4609 Жыл бұрын
George S. Kaufman: Thank you so much for your manuscript. I shall waste no time in reading it.
@artcflowers7 ай бұрын
Thank you😂😂😂😂
@kathleenmholland80557 ай бұрын
Wow... wit! Genuine wit....a long lost commodity in today's illiterate, hostile world. Thank you!
@steveweinstein32227 жыл бұрын
How fortunate this was made while a few members were still alive to contribute their reminiscences.
@skylerbeau39943 жыл бұрын
instablaster...
@TayInTheWay11 жыл бұрын
I'd been searching for this for years and had resigned to the idea I was never going to see it. Thank you. I am forever in your debt.
@michaeldougherty83443 жыл бұрын
Me too
@shevetlevi28214 ай бұрын
@@michaeldougherty8344 As my aunt would say: "I'm so glad you met me."
@Lisa052910 жыл бұрын
This has been the best hour I've had in a while.
@Bogframe9 жыл бұрын
I couldn't agree more.
@lorif42686 жыл бұрын
So good I must watch it again!
@edwinjimenez38023 жыл бұрын
WE SHOULD ALL FORM A GROUP AND HAVE LUNCH
@emmarose42342 жыл бұрын
The animated take on the Al Hirschfeld caricature of the Round Table is just adorable. 🥰
@infonut Жыл бұрын
Monumental. Probably his most famous work.
@simonreeve67733 жыл бұрын
What a joy to find this gem of a time capsule. Oh to be at that table for just one lunch ... or maybe two
@TheRJS0079 жыл бұрын
Absolutely special and absolutely grateful to the gentleman (Mr. Impropaganda) who had the wisdom (and generosity) to upload this gem. Thank you...
@dorothyparker10010 жыл бұрын
Amazing upload. I have loved Dorothy Parker ever since I was introduced to her writing twenty years ago. To have so much history from that period is really good. Although the 1994 film about her life and the round table had some bad reviews, I liked it very much, some of the quotes from the film are in this programme. Thank you for the upload.
@johnbaugh24375 жыл бұрын
Mrs Parker and the vicious circle was great
@archiedriver3 жыл бұрын
me too love Dorthy
@katmidon42798 жыл бұрын
It's so great to stay at The Algonquin! I'm so happy that I have been able to many times... It's a special place.
@Julietdjones8 жыл бұрын
I'm jealous!
@lucychinn1498 жыл бұрын
I'd love to stay at the Algonquin! Describe what it was like!
@JSB18823 ай бұрын
I had always looked for this documentary. It was worth the wait!
@dennisbrezina76263 жыл бұрын
During my "Fawlty Towers" years, I had a Bed and Breakfast guest who shared a Robert Benchley story from her 1930's years as a young New York City actress. At a party that was getting out of control one night, she felt obliged to tell the crowd downstairs to quiet down. "Imagine," she said to me, "telling the great humorist Robert Benchley to stop laughing!"
@lindavernon80517 ай бұрын
Oh I love that story! Thanks for sharing!!
@dennisbrezina76267 ай бұрын
I could go on and on, so I'll be careful. When Benchley traveled to Venice, he sent a cable back to his friends, "Streets under water! Please advise!"@@lindavernon8051
@dennisbrezina76267 ай бұрын
@@lindavernon8051 Thank you!
@riverduck33 жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh. How wonderful for those who had the opportunity to be with them.
@nativevirginian8344 Жыл бұрын
I think this was made in 1987, been waiting that long to see the whole thing again, I only taped half on my VHS tape. 😊 Can’t believe it took 9 years to find it on YT.
@johnyzero200010 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this for it is impossible to find on VHS or DVD.
@sonampalmo35786 жыл бұрын
I loved this! Thank you. The wit and playful snark of Dorothy Parker has always made me smile.
@davidbrucepatterson98293 жыл бұрын
The wonderful combination of insecurity, love and brilliance.
@MatthewEhlerspresents11 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite documentaries! This should be watched by everyone, especially those who love New York City.
@maurycastellanos17613 жыл бұрын
The Roundtable embodied the carefree and vivacious spirit the whole country was undergoing during the Roaring 20s, what a great time to be alive.
@annwyn32111 жыл бұрын
Bless your heart! I've been looking for this for ages.
@sweetwillow3 жыл бұрын
Wow I love the illustrations in this!
@sealyoness7 ай бұрын
This was FUN. What witty people they were!
@jazzymaven6537 ай бұрын
Thank you for this enlightening look at those interesting times and people. How much fun to have been if only an spectator then.
@theresacrawford287710 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for posting. I've always been intrigued by the folks at the Round Table… and this was just wonderful to watch.
@mobhere3 жыл бұрын
What a treat! Thank you!
@LizzyC72511 жыл бұрын
Wonderful! Thank you.
@exeterpipple11 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting this marvelous documentary! Loved it! Love the Algonquin Round Table Wits! Love the "Roaring 20s"!
@stephj5053 жыл бұрын
Too bad the 1930s sucked.
@michaeldougherty83443 жыл бұрын
Omg i loved every minute, thank you. My favorite people.
@jayvos62267 жыл бұрын
LOL "We called her Mary, after Ethel Barrymore."
@ROBYNMARKOW10 жыл бұрын
Fascinating:thanks for putting this up!
@Henrymurray10011 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the upload. Loved it!
@willislynn461310 жыл бұрын
love this, I always adored Dorothy Parker....there are some cute mystery books featuring the "Vicious Circle"....funny books, In the books, she was secretly in love with Robert Benchley...
@stephj5053 жыл бұрын
I'd feel for her husband though. XD
@artcflowers7 ай бұрын
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ thanks for this!
@jamesnicol38317 ай бұрын
culture and wit that never will be matched
@stargazer67537 ай бұрын
There was a film made a few years ago entitled “Mrs. Parker and The Vicious Circle.” It sparked my interest in these people.
@mckavitt7 жыл бұрын
Ruth Gordon was a genius too.
@danielstanwyck28125 жыл бұрын
genius is a big word to be used sparingly. she was great, but...a genius is einstein
@katiezee24 жыл бұрын
That Dorothy Parker thing of 'use horticulture in a sentence.' ahahaha
@stephj5053 жыл бұрын
I don't get it though. Lol
@texasmimi55662 жыл бұрын
@@stephj505 "You can lead a 'whore to culture' but you can't make her think." Dorothy Parker.
@carolannemckenzie3849 Жыл бұрын
It's a play on the phrase "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink" 😁
@SeanNaNaNa4 жыл бұрын
Some good books on the subject- Wit's End- Gaines What Fresh Hell Is This? and Bobbed Hair and Bathtub Gin- Meade George S Kaufman and His Friends- Meredith Robert Benchley- Rosmund
@donreed3 жыл бұрын
Meredith should be famous for forgetting (or intentionally omitting) the entry of "Kaufman, George S." in the BOTB Index. Still in all an excellent book, although much much too long.
@misternobody34813 жыл бұрын
Harpo tells quite a few good tales in his autobiography of the figures of the table, and remained friends with Woollcott the rest of Woollcott's life.
@lindavernon80517 ай бұрын
The Garden of Allah by Sheila Graham is a good one too.
@mistergrandpasbakery99412 жыл бұрын
Had to pop back on here for a second. Just after I watched this video, Edna Ferber's Cimarron with Glenn Ford started playing on #gritTV. Talk about serendipity!!
@MrHabilis11 жыл бұрын
For the past few years, every so often, I would renew my search for this documentary. Many on-line sources would claim to have it, but every time I would try to view it, or buy it, it would suddenly be "Out of Stock". Thank you so much for finding, sharing and posting this gem of Americana. Even though I am a mid-westerner, part of me will always be citizen of the Algonquin. I have visited the hotel only once, but part of me stayed there and late at night, in my dreams, I find myself there.
@donreed3 жыл бұрын
Recommended (04-29-21): Wit's End, by James Gaines (1977). Easily the best, most-in-depth, and most critical of all the RT and RT-related books. Plenty of used copies are available on Amazon (I have no connection to Amazon. In fact, I loathe them).
@texasmimi55662 жыл бұрын
I'm an ebay girl myself. I just went there and there are plenty for me to choose from.
@tabathalouis63338 жыл бұрын
So damn glad to see this again!!!!! I had watched it countless times, and then turning to it once, I was unable to watch it because of some sort of copyright snafu.....Did anyone else have that?
@campbellhen10 жыл бұрын
Pure Delight- thanks
@Garbeaux.4 жыл бұрын
While it was a highly interesting period, I’ve always gotten the impression the Round Table has gotten the reputation of being more witty than they truly were. Nothing I’ve ever seen or read has blown me away with their wit or humor. I’m not saying the individual people were not generally but the Table got this overall reputation just bc they were all known writers of the day.
@dm-gq5uj4 жыл бұрын
I think that they were very witty and it was undoubtedly a great deal of fun - but the most important American writers of the 20's - Fitzgerald and Hemingway - were not a part of that group. Parker's quips and short stories survive, but who sees Connelly's plays any more? I think they had a blast - but I also see Anita Loos' point - that they became so enamored of their celebrity that going to lunch and saying something funny became more important than actually writing. In later life, Parker herself said she thought it was superficial. Think of Warhol's Factory. I'd say the 20's crowd was more literate, wittier (and drank rather than used drugs), but the point of both was being in "the in crowd."
@WildwoodClaire16 жыл бұрын
Favorite Woolcott tale: Woolcott strides into the room , holding a book. "Ah, what is more rare than a Woolcott first edition?!" he gushes. "A Woolcott second edition!" replies an unimpressed Franklin P. Adams.
@barblessable4 жыл бұрын
Good to hear the wit of these writers Dorothy Parker was briliantly funny , nice to see Ruth Gordon she is so under used by Hollywood.
@lastrada526 жыл бұрын
I wonder what these writers would think of The New York Times, The New Yorker & the second incarnation of Vanity Fair magazine today? So many newspapers of their day are history now. And much of what those publications write about today is a cross between Mad Magazine, National Lampoon & The National Enquirer circa 1965. There are no writers today with the panache, humor, and cleverness of the writers of the 1920's. None. Some from The Algonquin Round Table are still mentioned today. Writers today don't wield that power and influence -- it won't be of any consequence 100 years from now. But they will still be talking about the Beat Generation writers (perhaps more about their exploits at The Beat Hotel in Paris than there stories and that's fine). The writers who were nurtured by Gertrude Stein will be remembered because they wrote for newsstand publications -- but they wrote classics. They all made what they did -- matter. Today it's more pablum and if it has vinegar it's accuracy is in question. There's fiction and there's bullshit -- publications today subscribe to the BS. It sells faster their precious ideas, scratch that, not ideas -- agendas. That's the new catchphrase. You have to write about what they agree with or you don't get published. Don't believe me. Write something and if they accept it -- watch how they edit it. By the time it reaches the internet or newsstand it won't look much like what you intended. Oh, except for Meetups -- there are no Algonquin Round Tables today. None that is spoken about in gossip columns. Great documentary though by Aviva Slesin -- wish a higher definition updated version of this very film could be aired on PBS. They must retain those precious interviews of people no longer with us -- who witnessed it all first hand.
@hereinyonkers11 жыл бұрын
Dorothy Parker, hello, Dorothy Rothschild.Thank you, for changing your name!
@lizaburgos4 жыл бұрын
Sarah Lee Smith interesting 🧐
@stephj5054 жыл бұрын
Rothschild isn't that bad of a name though.
@DrDespicable3 жыл бұрын
Technically, her husband - Eddie Parker - changed it. She just kept it after they parted company.
@nativevirginian8344 Жыл бұрын
yes, most of them were Jews
@vjw72728 жыл бұрын
What is the music playing at 5:30? I'm wondering if it's the song called "At Sundown?"
@avelotro5 жыл бұрын
I do not know its title but I can assure you, it is NOT "At Sundown".
@maryannarlotta7157 Жыл бұрын
Kauffman & Hart wrote the play, The Man Who Came to Dinner on the premise if Alex Woollcott came to your house and couldn't leave.
@deb7518 Жыл бұрын
LOVE that movie!
@gwae483 ай бұрын
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 great video
@mckavitt7 жыл бұрын
Yes, the best invention was surely The New Yorker.
@skipjen3 жыл бұрын
Until it was no longer The New Yorker...
@nomadpi18 ай бұрын
Thanks. I enjoyed the information re: that cohort of witticisms. In truth, I don't think they were as spectacular as they've been hyped. Talent, and nearly all journalists, who have a command of the English language, they were a group of writers in the right place at the right time. Waspish, acidic? Just a bunch of regular people using their command of language to "burn" colleagues. I had the same experiences in college and the Army, but we weren't published and quoted in 75 newspapers.
@yankeecitygirl7 ай бұрын
Their antics don’t really age well. I guess you had to be there. Edna Ferber was a big talent, and prolific. Robert Benchley seemed to have an idea of what personal dignity is. And Helen Hayes too. Dorothy Parker nailed it when she said they forgot to grow up.
@lindavernon80517 ай бұрын
Excellent point.
@lourak6136 жыл бұрын
Does anyone remember a radio show hosted from the Algonquin during the sixties? I forgot the name of the interviewer / host. He would interview artists and literary figures.
@METALITHrevetments3 жыл бұрын
John Gambling?
@mckavitt7 жыл бұрын
Why is the photo of Noel Coward? Was he really a daily feature at the Algonquin? I thought he was more popular in his native London.
@deb7518 Жыл бұрын
I think it said he was invited to lunch. Not sure if he was a regular.
@MrEdWeirdoShow7 ай бұрын
Just about anyone who could string more than two sentences together seemed like a genius, right after WWI and just before talkies came in and the stock market bowed out.
@gregoryreese84913 жыл бұрын
I’d have preferred a little less material about Wollcott and rather more regarding Parker, Benchley and some the others.
@patemmert2672 Жыл бұрын
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@existential7 жыл бұрын
What a treat.
@Ebbywebby2 жыл бұрын
Odd to keep hearing Herman Munster pop in. Fred Gwynne's voice is so instantly identifiable. :)
@infonut Жыл бұрын
He had a velvet voice. SO sad that loveable character stifled his career.
@raydavison42888 ай бұрын
I read the "Big Joke" cover to cover each week. It's a chore more often than not. The "t" in "Often" is silent.
@anuradhainamdar89673 жыл бұрын
By the way I have read all 46 works of Scott Fitzgerald on the Kindle. And seen the movie " The great Gatsby ", on the P.C.I am still to read any Dorothy Parker's work. But I have still to appreciate them fully because there turning to Hollywood was a bit far fetched, yet as popular writers and columnist of the 1920s 1930s, the voice of consciousness they could at least be read.
@GabrielJacques-y8w9 ай бұрын
So much more fun than promising to follow social rules you never thought about yet.
@KevinFitzpatrickAuthor11 жыл бұрын
Did director Aviva Slesin finally give you permission to post this?
@steelers6titles Жыл бұрын
Dorothy Parker, on Calvin Coolidge's death: How can they tell?
@fugaziishime5 ай бұрын
The 1st podcast.
@blaisedonnelly27607 ай бұрын
Didn't someone once say..?.."Those were the days"..😊
@tundrawomansays694 Жыл бұрын
Ms. Parker was extraordinary in many ways. However, committing suicide was not one of them.
@tomdevlin54123 ай бұрын
Is that Fred gynne’s voice?
@eddieandrews38542 жыл бұрын
Where is America today...that proud, happy America after WW1? Where is the talent, wit and glamour? Broadway, Hollywood, the written word...all have succumbed to sleaze, vulgarity, "woke". Wouldn't those brilliant writers be stunned to hear "woke" used as it is today! Where is heard "Over There" with pride and joy in being an American? I could weep for our beloved country.
@carolannemckenzie3849 Жыл бұрын
I could weep for you too. Commiserations from Scotland 😥
@infonut Жыл бұрын
Greed killed it as well as all individual accomplishments. Wall Street now owns your idea before you even get it off the ground.
@uhlijohn7 жыл бұрын
H. L. Mencken, who often stayed at the Algonquin, called the group "literati of the third, fourth and fifth rate." He loathed them. "He thought that they were silly and not true wits and more interested in publicity than in serious artistic accomplishment," said Jonathan Yardley, the editor of Mencken's "My Life as Author and Editor." "And he was right."
@steveweinstein32227 жыл бұрын
One of Mencken's many blind spots.
@nativevirginian8344 Жыл бұрын
@@steveweinstein3222 I think he was right.
@michaelchristian5089 Жыл бұрын
In the East was the Algonquin...at the same time in the west was W R Hearst's 'San Simeon'.
@georgebethos78907 жыл бұрын
Very interesting documentary ☯️🕉🙀
@James_Bowie8 ай бұрын
In her later years, [Dorothy Parker] denigrated the Algonquin Round Table, although it had brought her such early notoriety: "These were no giants. Think who was writing in those days-Lardner, Fitzgerald, Faulkner and Hemingway. Those were the real giants. The Round Table was just a lot of people telling jokes and telling each other how good they were. Just a bunch of loudmouths showing off, saving their gags for days, waiting for a chance to spring them ... There was no truth in anything they said. It was the terrible day of the wisecrack, so there didn't have to be any truth ..." Wiki
@unclejuniorsoprano2 жыл бұрын
HARPO MARX, "A TALKER AT LUNCH"? NOT SO! HARPO NEVER SAID ANYTHING. THAT'S WHY THEY APPRECIATED HIM. EVERYONE ELSE WAS A TALKER. HE WAS THE ONLY LISTENER.
@texasmimi55662 жыл бұрын
I read this also. He himself said he learned a lot just by listening (from Harpo Speaks).
@tomripsin832110 жыл бұрын
I'm sure this is an ignorant question, but is Alexander Woollcott the inspiration for The Man Who Came to Dinner?
@r.o.despain797110 жыл бұрын
Wikipedia thinks so: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Woollcott
@tomripsin832110 жыл бұрын
R.O. Despain Thanx, I'll check it out.
@TokyoStreetReport10 жыл бұрын
I read somewhere that they wanted Woollcott to play the character in the movie, he passed it up and later regretted it.
@tomripsin832110 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Thanks fpr the info.
@Munchausen459 жыл бұрын
Yes what they're saying it's all true from what I know. Also the character banjo in the place based on Harpo Marx. If you ever have free time on KZbin, which in the asked about replying to a reply of yours is self evident, you should check out Nathan Lane's interpretation of the role it was put out by PBS. Yours theatrically The actor
@Melissa0774 Жыл бұрын
So did they broadcast this thing on the radio or what?
@infonut Жыл бұрын
Very interesting distribution here as this was one of the rare occassions resulting in an Oscar AND Emmy nomination. let alone subsequent WINS.
@stephj5053 жыл бұрын
One thing for sure: Dorothy Parker had the cutest and most charming husband in the 1920s. No wonder Mrs. Parker married him! Lol
@donreed3 жыл бұрын
Alan Campbell?
@stephj5053 жыл бұрын
@@donreed Well him too and Ed Parker. Why else did Dorothy marry him?
@russderry8 жыл бұрын
Good entertsai
@5610winston4 жыл бұрын
22:10 Did he steal Groucho's moves, did Groucho steal his, or was it mutual?
@hayleyanna26257 ай бұрын
❤❤❤❤❤
@artsahobby1237 ай бұрын
Dorothy Parker was married to a Campbell. Just like Tanya Tucker & Glen Campbell.
@artsahobby1237 ай бұрын
Is gaiety, still a word?
@carogibson71093 жыл бұрын
Whose here after watching Gilmore Girls? Yes, I'm late to the rodeo with both.
@unclejuniorsoprano8 жыл бұрын
AS FAR AS ALEXANDER WOOLLCOTT BEING HETEROSEXUAL, THAT IS NONSENSE. HE WAS IN LOVE WITH HARPO FROM THE MOMENT HE SAW HIM. I DON'T THINK THAT ALEC WAS SEXUAL AT ALL. HE HAD HOMOSEXUAL TENDENCIES, BUT HE WAS NOT IN THE POSITION TO ACT UPON THEM AFTER HAVING A BAD CASE OF THE MUMPS. BESIDES, HE LIVED THROUGH HIS WORK. I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE KNOWN ALEC & HARPO. IF I WERE TO LIVE MY LIFE ALL OVER AGAIN, I WOULD CHOOSE TO BE HARPO MARX.
@shieldsup20768 жыл бұрын
+unclejuniorsoprano what?
@steveweinstein32227 жыл бұрын
Mumps can make you sterile. It has no effect on sexual performance.
@mckavitt7 жыл бұрын
unclejuniorsoprano Did Harpo respond?
@sjohnson12166 жыл бұрын
I'm in love with Harpo too.
@texasmimi55662 жыл бұрын
Oh, yea, Woollcott was in love with Harpo. He put it in writing. Harpo did respond back in writing, I remember seeing their letters in one of the many Marx Bros. books I have read. Harpo named two of his ADOPTED sons after Woollcott and his brother William. First son is William Woollcott Marx, another son is Alexander Marx. Sometimes I wonder about Harpo........there are signs. But I couldn't care less, I, too, love Harpo. But, Chico is my favorite. Be still my heart!
@eshaibraheem42187 ай бұрын
Many thanks for this, Impropaganda.
@gleroyTullySAEHEYKID3 жыл бұрын
Ring Lardner?
@texasmimi55662 жыл бұрын
Part of Groucho's crowd, I believe. I don't recall him being mentioned in this documentary.
@63bplumb7 ай бұрын
Have known about this story for years. 10 years EVERY day? No One is that funny or fresh. One of those legions that gets bigger than it ever was and actually ran out of gas about 3 years into it?
@youdodat27 ай бұрын
All is vanity.
@booksofinterest6 жыл бұрын
The simpsons made homage to the round table.
@Dirkkkkk2 жыл бұрын
a somber reminder that even the greatest stars of society and tastemakers will all be forgotten within 2 generations In the end, just a bunch of high society snobs.
@infonut Жыл бұрын
You need to be reminded a generation is considered 20-25yrs and this is now a century later. And what the hell is a tastemaker?
@joannemiele31537 ай бұрын
Please stop the music
@PatriciaCrabtree-wm8xd6 ай бұрын
Poor Dorothy. Libido ,with or without alcohol, is tough on a girl in her thirties in a crowd of interesting and horrible men laughing at all her jokes. Imagine an illegal abortion back then with them all in attendance advising her to stop trying to kill herself. Funny not funny, guys.
@markoblazney63608 жыл бұрын
Sigh. Never to be again.
@Julietdjones8 жыл бұрын
Are you sure? ;)
@citizen11638 жыл бұрын
Dying is overated!
@infonut Жыл бұрын
Radio wounded the newspaper trade and television wounded wounded radio. The internet killed newspapers. With each fall they scrape off the unnecessary and opinionated columnists on "the arts" are easily expendable. The true artists found work elsewhere and the rest moulded away.
@drpsionic3 жыл бұрын
I'm a Chicago boy. The 1920s were the period of Al Capone. This was a New York sideshow, not important and not really interesting. Just like New York.
@seethevolcane-qj8ys9 ай бұрын
A group of queers and closeted queers. Those were the days.
@PatriciaCroninParker-x4h7 ай бұрын
Shuddup
@arctos497 ай бұрын
Robert Benchley was sent to Venice on assignment and he telegraphed his editor with this message - "Arrived Venice, streets full of water - please advise."
@weswolever74777 ай бұрын
Once I sent my sister a text message with a picture of her cat gnawing on my finger with the message “am being eaten by cat, please advise”
@Garbeaux.4 жыл бұрын
While it was a highly interesting period, I’ve always gotten the impression the Round Table has gotten the reputation of being more witty than they truly were. Nothing I’ve ever seen or read has blown me away with their wit or humor. I’m not saying the individual people were not generally but the Table got this overall reputation just bc they were all known writers of the day.