The Tolkien Aesthetic with John Dee

[@ApostolicMajesty]

Preemptively dealing with spergy comments. The Minas Anor I reference becoming Minas Morgul is in fact Minas Ithil.

[@Apamaru]

The caliber of this content and the quality of the men involved is almost unbelievable. Thank you AM and Mr. Dee!

[@bobz1736]

Here here !

[@WinterPhoenixForestKirin]

God, Tolkien's artwork is truly gorgeous! What a talented man!

[@richtea615]

This is like Gandalf and Elrond doing a stream together. Great stuff.

[@ApostolicMajesty]

Who is who?

[@johndee8874]

@@ApostolicMajesty I'm Gandalf the Gay.

[@lukeh7440]

Apostolic Majesty is definitely Elrond and John Dee is Gandalf

[@WinterPhoenixForestKirin]

@@johndee8874 Lol, good grief ... 😅

[@Rid3thetig3r]

"Relatively recent. The 15th century." Never change AM.

[@englandsgreenpleasantland166]

For anyone interested in viewing The Works of Geoffrey Chaucer now newly imprinted, one copy is in the Wightwick Manor in Wolverhampton.

[@micley2440]

Hmm this was a lot better than I was expecting. More of these two discussing this sort of thing please. Also, "Hypnerotomachia Poliphill, the strife of love in a dream", is the arcane manuscript Dee talks about.

[@Epicrandomness1111]

Excellent stream

[@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump]

That's actually an old sketch of Orthanc, the final one, and description in the book are closer to the movie

[@robertmacdonaldch5105]

Thank you for having Tolkien Day!

[@cornyhorsecornhorsington7522]

Phenomenal video.

[@jasnacar9186]

1:06:04 - Tolkien has allegedly named that painting : " Virgin Frodo in Ithilien, sitting by the monument of Chad Gondor King....."

[@NothingHumanisAlientoMe]

Men of the West! Arise! Men of the West : brah am watching a stream

[@cloudybeforerain7134]

Thank you, gentlemen.

[@WilliamCooper2005]

Great stream, thank’s AM & Dee.

[@Zersetzor]

1:12:00 -ish: Surely the choosing of three paths is also mirrored when the fellowship is _in_ Moria, and Gandalf has to chose between three paths forward.

[@ApostolicMajesty]

Indeed! The Hypnerotomachia is prophetic.

[@johnsmith4602]

Does Mr. Dee have an art history and aesthetics reading list he could share with us who would like to study independently?

[@nickpapa1721]

I second that.

[@AndrewB21]

I third it. I feel like I need to get into the subject, but it's so labyrinthine I don't know where to start.

[@Ensor-Doone]

AM and Mr Dee discussing lore, fantasy and history, Christmas come early.

[@christophermedlin5889]

The book found in Moria was the Book of Mazarbul

[@OneMindAnyWeapon]

I also see a correlations to artists such as Kay Neilsen and others. Even Arthur Rackham in Tolkeins work even if not directly its part of the collective conscious/sub consciousness and are at least product's of the world of Tolkekns Time.

[@joemerino3243]

I don't think the Balin inscription is Elder Futhark. The letters don't seem to match up. The 'R' looking rune is actually an R in both elder and younger futharks.

[@ProLamberto]

Dont forget he was catholic.

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

The aesthetic of Numenor is complicated because while it is clearly based _arctypically_ on Atlantis, _culturally_ speaking we know nothing about the details of "Atlantean society", real or fictional, and so something else had to be used. I think Tolkein took a panopoly of cultural, linguistic and artistic elements from a wide swath of the Near East, and based on the linguistic and naming conventions I think most especially from the Egyptian and Sumerian, and made something that was both familiar and exotic to us.

[@user-ez9is7lb9p]

There is a danish law codex written in runes

[@1lobster]

My aspiration is to create an entire real life civilization with the Tolkien aesthetic. If you’d like to join me, I’ve got a subreddit called r/Dawnshire.

[@BS-mz4in]

This looks interesting, I'll take a look later. Thanks.

[@NothingHumanisAlientoMe]

You should look at the Sci fi work of Peter F Hamilton and the planet Norfolk from."The night dawn trilogy"

[@johnnotrealname8168]

You mean other than elves, dragons and languages he could not master.

[@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump]

What is this comment in 4esoonse too precisely?

[@OneMindAnyWeapon]

Symbology of Mandala...

[@HalfManThirdBiscuit]

Not enough Warhol but otherwise good

[@jrb4935]

I don't understand how anyone who likes Tolkien can like the Jackson films, they are dumbed-down video-game adaptations for people with short attention spans.

[@whiggles9203]

The left-hand tower on the cover of The Two Towers is Minas Morgul. The are nine rings below it and a moon on top!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@ApostolicMajesty]

Granted. However this sort of sperginess disincentives me from making Tolkien videos, especially at the dead of night when one is quite ill.

[@whiggles9203]

@@ApostolicMajesty sorry☹️☹️ im not a sperg i promise, it’s just one little thing i picked up on that was little know… 😪

[@whiggles9203]

i look like retard now

[@empyrealcultist1992]

@@ApostolicMajesty so when youre hyper sensitive about the church and get picky its fine but god forbid the lotr scholars have their day

[@empyrealcultist1992]

@@whiggles9203 yes, for grovelling though, not for being picky

[@photosyntheticzee9915]

WAY too much cgi in the movie

[@ApostolicMajesty]

Too much bloated action as well.

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

Are you talking about the Peter Jackson films? This is not a criticism most people make. It seems that the CGI they did, for the necessary parts, has held up quite well over time

[@photosyntheticzee9915]

@@Laotzu.Goldbug It’s a big problem in the recent Hobbit films. The LOTR PJ trilogy is really great, I loved them as a kid. Now I am thinking I need to read the books to get deeper than the spectacle the movies leaned on.