The Top Ten Vampires of Clan Tzimisce

A Top Ten Video on the Vampires of Clan Tzimisce!
At long last, the Fiends, the Scourges of the Carpathians, once the most feared Clan among the Children of Caine, now degenerated into hedonism, mysticism, and monstrosity, the Tzimisce have twisted their bodies, minds, and even souls in the search for metaphysical perfection and fallen well-short of the mark.
Also, Vicissitude is NOT a disease.
01:12 Yorak, High Priest of the Cathedral of Flesh
06:35 The Dracon, Seeker of the Divinity Within
14:08 Velya & Elaine Cassidy, The Metamorphosist and His Bride
18:19 Count Vladimir Rustovich, The Voivode of Voivodes
22:34 Zachary Sikorsky, Regent of the Sabbat?
27:21 The Rose, Ductus of the Widows, Mistress of Montreal
33:00 Radu Bistri, Father of the Purchase Pact
37:41 Lambach Ruthven, The Last Tzimisce
45:03 Vykos, Caine's Angel, Archbishop of Washington D.C.
53:26 Dracula, The Impaler Prince

[@wanderdragon1075]

I love that Dracula has nearly 30 minutes to himself

[@AmericanMephistopheles]

"This shit ain't nothing to me man." - Dracula Flow

[@MrBrimbles]

Clan Tzimisce and the Path of Metamorphosis are the apex of Kindred potential and nothing will convince me otherwise.

[@ivoluijendijk5529]

"Also, Vicissitude is NOT a disease." - made me laugh out loud. Tnx!

[@JohnDowson100]

I mean.. it is not.. but it also kind of .. is? It DOES infect you with the cells of the Eldest and Kupala's corruption.. 🫢 there is a reason why the Eldest was able to reform in the Dracon body after all..

[@ExeErdna]

In a way Dracula might be one of the greatest Anti-Heroes in the WoD. He was ruthless yet if you needed to trust anybody to get a job done it's him.

[@davidb8815]

Zachary Sikorsky's story kills me. I love that the Sabbat, the ruthless death cult on a doomsday crusade, is secretly ruled by a low-power fledgling just masterfully pulling off the world's deadliest drag act.

[@lazarofstygia2241]

He's got to strut like his life depends on it. Because it actually does.

[@itoito68]

@Dantes230 ???

[@Struckjess]

​@@itoito68 ignore the ghouls who are infected with brainworms, it makes life better.

[@itoito68]

@@Struckjess ur right

[@Struckjess]

@@itoito68 always am darling I'm the Queen of the Gays for a reason. Nah James is what we call a misery spout, he's hurt and lashing out about shit. Brown people and white people do this but I hope he's white for his own safety.

[@SethHMG]

“And a meddling coterie of vampires…” Yeah, I ran that decade long campaign.

[@lazarofstygia2241]

The best coteries are usually the ones who meddle in the business of their betters.

[@p1ssedoffchristof48]

I woulda gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling vamps

[@dubuyajay9964]

Time stamp please?

[@skeletonking4119]

@@dubuyajay9964 in the end of number 10

[@shilohwehrmacht2947]

​@Dantes230it's almost an hour and twenty minutes do you remember the entire video

[@TheMeestLord]

I’m so glad I found this. I love VTM lore- especially anything regarding the Fiends.

[@caernvalentine3843]

These are super great. I have played masquerade and dark ages since the 90's. Thank you for the lore it's so helpful.

[@aaronblank2318]

Same here. I've been playing since the very early 2000's, have read a great deal of the lore, but have had a lot of trouble making heads or tails of it, due to the mixed up, mysterious, and scattered format of the books. These videos have made this so much clearer.

[@lordkelvin666]

Vlad Tepes Dracula is my favorite Vampire (Kindred) because he was an antihero and my role model as a kid (I read Bram Stoker’s Dracula at age 10 and again 30 years later, I was 40 in 2012). The Koldic Sorcery fascinates me, yet Magic (Magick), Witchcraft & Sorcery fascinates me more. The Occult in general is sublime. Tziminsce & the Gangrel are sublime. Arigatou. Almost forgot: Please do the Bastet, Hengeyokai Changing Breeds & the Garou Tribes. Merci. Also, the Dharmas of the Kuei-Jin too. Thanks.

[@lazarofstygia2241]

Changing Breeds and Kuei-jin are on the to-do list. Koldunic Sorcery will probably be addressed in a Clan Tzimisce video, or a video on blood magic.

[@pepethefrog6809]

Hehe, Bram Stoker's Dracula is one of the most famous masquerade breaches in VTM world.

[@weirddriew1511]

@@ThatBlueSkull i've thought that too :D

[@krispalermo8133]

@@pepethefrog6809 Yet at the same time the masquerade greatest boon. Since " Dracula " came out it created all sorts of cover stories covering up real kindred/vampire sights as kids running around outside of Halloween.

[@jenkhemhuffersanonymous3990]

Lmao wtf 🤣 made me laugh hard as

[@MrFantocan]

Dracula was also a Revenant so he had some vampire power from birth.

[@ryttu3k]

You should absolutely check out the Tzimisce Dark Ages novel! Aside from a ton of clan lore, it's set from Myca's POV and goes into detail on their frankly traumatic backstory, especially concerning Michael and the Dracon. (Beckett's Jyhad Diary picks up the thread on those, in the chapters Azhi Dahaka and Dreams & Nightmares.) Pretty vitally important to understand Sascha's character, I think.

[@lazarofstygia2241]

It's a possibility.

[@b.benjamineriksson6030]

and the name of this novel is?

[@ryttu3k]

@@b.benjamineriksson6030 Just 'Dark Ages Clan Novel 13: Tzimisce', by Myranda Kalis.

[@kubobetterrelax7435]

are there any other novels and where can I find them?

[@ramseydoon8277]

@@kubobetterrelax7435 yes, there are many other novels. you can find them at your local library, and other places of ill/literate repute near you.

[@johnvladman9425]

Once again, thanks for the lore.

[@javierpupo8042]

53:43 - 1:18:08 I'm going to be coming back to this section often.

[@lazarofstygia2241]

Even if he was never a vampire, Vlad Tepes is an absolutely fascinating historic figure.

[@yahcobyisrael3000]

@@lazarofstygia2241 ommmomopmpomommommommmooommmomomomoooooommooommooooooooooomoommmoommokooompmoomoooooooookmommkkkkmkmkmkmmkm no oookoo lm no o no okmoommokkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkmkmmkmkk lm

[@VenomousHigh]

I really like these videos. Very extensive and detailed, and I'm especially fond of the fact that you actually tell the stories your own way instead of simply reading wiki entries on each character. Might've just earned yourself a sub.

[@sobrietyliiving]

Thank you for these readings! I'm thoroughly enjoying my time in the World of Darkness again :)

[@Legionfox1]

Thank you so much for pronouncing Tzimisce correctly. Even the Bloodlines videogame got it wrong

[@brittanybecker170]

"Anything that sees this thing should lose a point of humanity and roll to see if they keep their stomach contents down." Nightmare kith would be delighted by it. You can't convince me that the Eldest wasn't on friendly terms with some of 'em, if only for inspuration.

[@Buzzcook]

I'm playing a Tzimisce in a dark ages game. Really fun playing them, but on a meta level these guys are just fucked. They're stuck between the Tremere and the Ventrue with no chance of fighting one of them at a time and having more than half of their kind sitting out the war. The best we can do is win small tactical fights while the course of history grinds us into dust. But still fun stuff.

[@Gabe600]

not to mention they still have to fight for some of their territory with the Shadow Lords

[@jackwalters3928]

So let me get this straight. The path of metamorphosis considers it a sin to care about the needs of others, yet this paragon of that path, went as far as fleshcrafting an entire person on him in order to save her life, even at the expense of his own life. And it's not like he'll die quickly, but rather have a slow, perhaps decade long death. Something one could consider beyond the ultimate sacrifice. Something's not adding up here.

[@isacc021]

I believe that in the path of metamorphosis it does mention that caring for others that are NOT interested in attaining metamorphosis is a sin, so perhaps since his bride was on the path, he rationalized it as not being a sin, though i am not sure.

[@stevesmith9617]

Think of it as a experiment.. he does.

[@C.A.M584]

The Tzimice of the modern Nights are very different to the old members for how they do things for example the old ones are more in touch with their origins and don't try to hide the origins of the clans like the majority of the Camarilla does by denying Caines existence. The New Tzimice who are in the Sabbat believe they are the sword of Caine and it is their duty as that sword to carry out his will by slaying the antediluvian vampires who are a threat to some of the clans like the Nosferatu progenitor who wishes to kill all vampires descending from his blood because of how he is ashamed of their appearance resembling his own after Caine cursed him for killing his sire just for the bite scars he retained after turning the Tzimice are one of the few clans who can survive the destruction of their body by learning advanced vicissitude to create a new one and even make their own blood into a deadly weapon like turning it into acid or fire, the Tzimice in the modern nights also don't embrace their human origins as much as old Tzimice so they weaken the strength of their own spirit as a consequence they will also turn people into something horrible and repulsive like what Andrie does in bloodlines even allowed them to attack a scared woman on a snuff film so not all Tzimice are evil but some can do great good using their power if they choose to its not like their clan curse is affecting their mind it just affects their strength by resting in a place that needs dirt from a place important to them its only Malkavians who cant be trusted with how unpredictable they tend to be due to them being insane.

[@koensuetens7424]

Love the Johan Liebert from monster reference.

[@alexandrucatalindragan6842]

Lambach Ruthven's story is my favorite

[@iugoeswest]

So good!!

[@BlueBedouin]

This is just insanely good content

[@gadgetronking4255]

Awesome video, the Tzimisce are definitely some of the most unique vampires and probably have some of the most extensive lore, it's a shame they are probably mostly seen as antagonists and not used much as PCs, in the non tabletop media at least since to my knowledge that even with mods they are the only clan that you cannot play as in the games well along with the Ravnos that is.

[@lazarofstygia2241]

The Tzimisce are pretty antagonistic towards anyone who violates the laws of Domain and Hospitality. Given their general disdain for humanity, they fall into that villain slot easily. Also, Vicissitude is a difficult discipline to capture in pure video game mechanics.

[@gadgetronking4255]

@@lazarofstygia2241 Yeah that is true, vicissitude is one of the coolest and most versitile disciplines but also probably the hardest to stream line, maybe make a like an upgrade system where you can spend xp to unlock new vicissitude upgrades with the drawback of becoming more and more inhumane looking along with one or two powers like taking on zulo form. I honestly hope that they try to incorporate the tzimisce in the bloodlines 2 game, maybe a DLC that adds the Sabbat faction and you can only play as one if you join them.

[@imonke5303]

@@gadgetronking4255 I'd assume it'd because of the masquerade, not to say tzimiscie would care for it but it functions as more of a gameplay mechanic, that's the only reason i can really think of

[@imonke5303]

but i totally agree, my first thought upon meeting andrei was; "why can't u side with him?" missed opportunity

[@gadgetronking4255]

@@imonke5303 Well that you actually can do with the latest version of the clan quest mod as it adds the Sabbat faction to the game

[@sethhale8828]

Fantastic work

[@atriumgamesmore4336]

DRACULA GOT HIS OWN BOOK WRITTEN???? Holy shit, he's so fucking badass, that is absolutely absurd.

[@mtlacunae8659]

When could we get a glimpse of more masquerade breaking lore on the paths of enlightenment? Always appreciate these videos.

[@TheKagar]

Thank you for Upload :)

[@lazarofstygia2241]

You're welcome.

[@Dipti303]

God dam Dracula was a bad ass hunting vampires to eat them. Just found your channel ad so far I love it.

[@lazarofstygia2241]

That's why he is the most famous vampire in the world.

[@FedorMachida]

the Tzimisce are so powerful. What a great clan.

[@dragonhunter4592]

Poor Zachary... Used as a body-double by one of the sabbat and turned into a scapegoat for Malinda.

[@alexandarvoncarsteinzarovi3723]

Any time I hear the words flesh magic & Clan Tzimisce I unlock my old war chest and get my flamethrower from Nam out and read,

[@Pimpulus]

great video! but i miss a mention of the childer of the eldest other than yorak. demdemeh, byelobog, kartarirya, i really enjoyed their depictions in the clanbook. like when they hinted that demdemeh had become ebola for example. and of course: no mention of lugoj blood breaker?

[@lazarofstygia2241]

To my regret, I decided to keep the list to 10 and picked the Tzimisce with the deepest stories. Unfortunately, there is not much background on Lugoj prior to Kupala's night and the Anarch Revolt.

[@zarlsalamandersspacemarine302]

Most of this lore is over ten years older than I am but it's all very good and very addictive

[@charlieboone1298]

"There are worse things than death, Flayer, and I know all their names." - Myca Vykos

[@joshuamourning6650]

The temple sounds like something yaldabaoth from the SCP WORLD would do since shes all about flesh blood and stuff like that

[@skeletonking4119]

Your great video is always very amazing me! But seriously!! When you speak of Dracula character and history It freezes my bones And it suit his character and ideal , I am very grateful to found this video And the one thing that’s give me a strong bad feeling is. Tzimisce Antediluvian. By all means. A pure horrific monster , I thought HES dead? Now after I discovered it by this video that somewhere somehow he’s hiding deep beneath the city of New York And HE STILL OUT THERE!!! The tzimisce clans who very proud of killing their Antediluvian. Would be absolutely FUCKED! And so same for LASOMBRA!

[@lazarofstygia2241]

The Tzimisce Antediluvian is an interesting character. For all of its monstrosity and alienness, its single, driving goal is to escape the curse of Caine.

[@dennissayer2902]

Pretty sure at the times of thin blood Tzimisce WAS New York City, completely bound to the City itself. Also supported by the novella.

[@catch-22squared26]

It was killed some years back literally taking countless members of most clans, Mages (mostly to keep the battle from human eyes), other supernatural creatures, and even hunters from the Vatican to bring it down

[@tomtheconqerur]

The Virgin literally every other Vampire vs The Chad Dracula

[@AnIdiotsLantern]

Vlad “Steal Yo Girl” Trepes

[@SkullCowboy333]

Am I the only one that sees a link between the Followers of Set and the Fiends? What the Setites do in the spirit, the Fiends do through the flesh.

[@vanr3977]

It's also what brujas do to ventrue's balls but i don't see anyone making that connection

[@smuggrog9821]

Yep and the Tzimisce also share the territorial nature and the connection to the earth like the Gangrel to. Imo, I think its likely that the antediluvians of the Gangrel, Setites, and Tzimisce are the childer from the same second gen vampire and are thus broodmates.

[@Rog_r]

Great video! What was the background music you used for it?

[@Rog_r]

For anyone wondering, its from the vtm redemption soundtrack, the theme for the cathedral of flesh

[@josephbeckett2330]

You know, it is stuff like this that makes me so pissed about that shitty V5 crap. They, literally had everything handed to them, and they V5'd it all away.

[@ptrack6512]

Actually Not bad, the history repeated is apparent although the purer vamp as u call it has no time for magic when the power alone is overwhelming and a challenge to balance in a time where it must be compartmentalized and always comes to surface as a tick or strangeness misunderstood . With majority hell bent on elimination, no one realizes how the world would be without the pure spirit that occupies the all.

[@DavidSmith-ot3hs]

What is the name of the music tracks in the video? I really like the music playing during the yorak portion of the video

[@alucard7525]

What music did you use during the dracula segment?

[@lazarofstygia2241]

The theme of the Cathedral of Flesh.

[@richardlanahan4121]

Just trying to figure out how to interact with a group called door Tails but not tech savvy

[@TheCrowFairyTale]

Surprised Andrei from the Bloodlines video game didn't make the cut

[@lazarofstygia2241]

Unfortunately, there wasn't much backstory to Andrei.

[@louiemercado5595]

A fine job on the vampires of Clan Tzemecie man! But in the end, everybody loves Dracula. But not from Bram Stoker's Dracula to the Castlevania series, to Fate/Apocrypha as a Lancer class plus Berserker in Fate/Extra and to movies like Dracula Untold and many more.

[@lazarofstygia2241]

Just as he intended.

[@louiemercado5595]

Yep. He's the number one vampire that we loved with.

[@brittanybecker170]

@@lazarofstygia2241 here's something that has gnawed at my crossover WoD mind for a while- could Dracula, having become the 'default' idea of what a vampire is in pop culture, avoid the Withering by drawing on the Glamour of that Dream? Cuz I flat out refuse to believe a clan as inventive as the Tzimmies is banal and once the Masquerade breaks, well, no one can pretend there are no monsters anymore.

[@SzaposJogdan2733]

@@brittanybecker170 Glamour of the dream?

[@ramseydoon8277]

Alas, poor Yorak💀

[@lazarofstygia2241]

A fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy.

[@Kingneo0053]

comment for the algorithm.

[@dustinslater9432]

Anywhere I can find the background music used here?

[@BabyGreen162]

VtM Redemption OST - Prague Vysehrad and The Cathedral

[@dustinslater9432]

@@BabyGreen162 I appreciate you.

[@NodDisciple1]

17:36 Are those Mummies? 1:14:26 The historical tales say his head was taken to Istanbul to prove to the Sultan that he was dead. Was this a fake?

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

Would you put it past him?

[@theMyouknow]

You cant count Dracula as tzimisce anymore hes enlightened he has broken the curse, and is currently in the group of the Inconnu, those that has no weaknesses, that has broken the curse of Caine, he is fucking powerhouse atm.

[@jamesisaacson6379]

What curse is it sleeping in dirt or what?

[@sophiehatter3111]

the madlad is incomprehensible

[@theMyouknow]

@@jamesisaacson6379 What I can guess the thirst is the only weakness he got, just like Blade.

[@catch-22squared26]

Very much so right 😉🐉🏰👑🛡🗡☦️🏺🉐Ⓜ️🌀⚜️♾️♦️ V🐲T🤫

[@scottlatta5180]

Best Clan Period

[@lazarofstygia2241]

A man of sound mind and good tastes.

[@johnnynovick5597]

What is the background soundtrack?

[@BabyGreen162]

VtM Redemption OST - Prague Vysehrad and The Cathedral

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

Vlad isn't getting constantly harassed by some nutjob with a whip or his own emo thin-blood of a childe, right?

[@lazarofstygia2241]

Would be pretty cool if someone did take a run at Dracula with a magic whip-chain.

[@paperfart3988]

The animation in that show was incredible, and some of the character arcs were cool. I wish there could be a show like that based on VtM except with good writers who take their time

[@krispalermo8133]

@@lazarofstygia2241 Well my gaming group did run a Castlevania style game using the rules from Dark Age.

[@thevoidcritter]

no he got killed by a cowboy

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

@@thevoidcritter Which one?

[@dianaruman8723]

Anyone know the background music?

[@BabyGreen162]

VtM Redemption OST - Prague Vysehrad and The Cathedral

[@311JW]

Great channel excellent content. I give u a sub, like and comment for aid with the almighty algorithm

[@wiederganger1959]

Me too

[@danthewatcher9681]

Sooo Asa Romanian let me clarify some of the mispronounced words and titles of Vlad: Draculea, was the actual name the peasants called him before he started his impaling hobby, because his dad was called The dragon and the peasantry, unlike today was not too scholarly, to say the least, they mispronounced "Dragon" as "Dracu" ( Devil/ Satan in Romanian depending on the context). So one can see how in the eyes of peasants a man called Devil could become a "strigoi" ( which is the actual word for vampire/ evil spirit). Also the Rumors about him Drinking Blood and enjoying the torture of the peaople he impaled, including impaling women and children, much of that fabricated by Austro Hungarian sims from Brasov and Transilvania because he forbit the passing of trade caravans from Brasov because they dared to stop one of his Caravans and confiscate the goods as "trade tariff"! man took no BS. He Cucked the Battori Prince of Transilvania Come to think of it, Mihai The Brave also Cucked a Battori noble , notice a pattern In Romanian culture Vlad was and is considered a hero, a patriot that would do anything for his country! Dude had the balls to Stand up to the Ottomans and almost succeeded in killing the sultan! That's Balls of Steel right there!

[@tyronemccloud4361]

No mention of Demdemeh ?

[@lazarofstygia2241]

Unfortunately not. Though turning himself into vampire ebola was a neat trick.

[@kennyburkamp4054]

I laughed here 49:13 - 49:28

[@lazarofstygia2241]

Some people throw wine when they are upset, a Tzimisce throws penises.

[@leandrosanchez1212]

Whats the chant song in the background please?

[@johnnynovick5597]

I have this video saved just for this background sound

[@JuanDiaz-ke2vk]

Hi, the song is new York cathedral of flesh from vtm redemption kzbin.info/www/bejne/moWYk4egipiHmpI Better later than never.

[@BabyGreen162]

VtM Redemption OST - Prague Vysehrad

[@dubuyajay9964]

26:58. How does he get around the Lasombra tell/weakness of not having a reflection, since he is not one?

[@mekhetiidx]

anything ever happen to sikorsky? gotta say, I prefer Erzulie

[@lazarofstygia2241]

He is eventually discovered and shown all of the mercy and understanding for which the Sabbat is famous.

[@BauthorFowler]

@@lazarofstygia2241 Can you quote a source?

[@joaocouceiro533]

Which book said that is not a disease? So kupala not teach to the antediluvian?

[@lazarofstygia2241]

DSOBH and Sabbat Storyteller's Handbook got ignored when Revised edition came around. And Kupala taught the Tzimisce Koldunic Sorcery, not Vicissitude. But these are all things to cover in another video on the Tzimisce as a Clan, and another about the Tal'mahe'ra.

[@danielsharpe3844]

You sir, are a Voivode of Voivodes.

[@zonilo1]

Of course in Bram Stoker's novel, Dracula gained his own powerful version of vampirism via black magic and alchemy via the scholomance and he was never embraced at all. Not to mention that Dracula could walk in the sun unharmed but it only weakened his powers while sunlight damage seems to exist universally for Kindred which leaves no room for such flexibility. Matter of fact Lord Ruthven which Lambach was based on was originally no Kindred at all who was considered one of the weakest types of vampires who could be killed through ordinary means but the light of the full moon always revived him regardless which is the same for Varney the Vampire and plus Ruthven had no fangs either and he had to use the strength of his jaw to bite down his victims much like the scene from Dawn of the Dead of course. Of course I never liked what VtM did to Dracula though and I prefer the novel itself being factual.

[@lazarofstygia2241]

In World of Darkness, some elements of the Dracula novel did happen, though they are never quite clear about how much of it took place. Tzimisce Dracula was in London at some time in the 19th century. Mithras, the Prince of London remembered Dracula and was a bit leery of him. Dracula also embraced Lucy Westenra, his only known childe, who was also a character in the novel.

[@zonilo1]

@@lazarofstygia2241 I guess that's the part that doesn't make sense if they were going with the "The Novel was Fiction" route while they used elements from the novel anyway since the WoD was going for "Taking place in the real world" type of thing. I think what they should have done is never put Dracula into the VtM box and let him be his own thing whose not even Kindred at all but maybe more intune of a Nephandi/Mage - Vampire type hybrid who has access to true magic than disciplines like as if Dracula has a active avatar and he alone actually succeeded what the Tremere could not and he would have been more of a supervillain with fangs. Although such a shame that the World of Darkness has forgotten about Carmilla Karnstein though although I would have made her not Kindred at all but I think I would have her being more like DA: Fae as in they have access to Dominions and Unleashings while Dracula has access to spheres and true magic due to him being more occult based while Carm focuses more on raw magical power making Dracula and Carmilla the most powerful vampires around even more so than Kindred simply because they're legendary touchstone vampires.

[@lazarofstygia2241]

I would be leery of giving any vampire true magic, simply because those two streams are impossible to cross, and I would never let a player sell it to me as their character. But it would be interesting to rework Dracula as having either severed his own Avatar, received the embrace, and then grafted it back onto his soul with terrible consequences, or him being partially possessed by a demon that gave him access to something like True Magic. As for Carmilla being an Unseelie Fae, obsessed with draining the glamour of young women, that's an idea that has some potential.

[@zonilo1]

@@lazarofstygia2241 Well the thing is, while it's true that Cainites/Kindred vampires can't use True Magic but the point is what I'm presenting here is importing the version from Bram Stoker's novel by presenting him as a entirely different type of vampire whose non-kindred/cainite who can use True Magic due to the fact his own brand of vampirism came from black magic and alchemy from the scholomance well definitely due to the fact he was solomonari as well. Point is the term "Vampire" is a broad term that shouldn't automatically mean "Kindred" or "Cainite" at all.

[@lazarofstygia2241]

@@zonilo1 Fair point.

[@fuzzyzombielove]

A Cathedral of Flesh sounds really unsanitary.

[@lazarofstygia2241]

Where we're going, we don't need OSHA.

[@perspectivanevazuta8827]

Vlad Țepeș was also never in the order of the dragon

[@vanr3977]

10-2 positions: 53 minutes Dracula: 26 minutes

[@camo9619]

As it should

[@mihai000000]

hes literally the most famous vampire in fiction both in the real world and in the world of darkness. What were u expecting ?

[@dik4316]

Lugoy; Vuekos.

[@dik4316]

Mueka

[@richardlanahan4121]

Typo dork Tales

[@BauthorFowler]

Without Righteous Endeavor at the top, this list is invalid.

[@lazarofstygia2241]

With a clan as legendary as the Tzimisce, unfortunately some Licks won't make the cut.

[@BauthorFowler]

@@lazarofstygia2241If they're so legendary, let's see them strut around the modern night in a Pilgrim's hat...

[@KAZ3EM]

Your pronounceation of tcimizce must be like you pronounce Vlad tzepezc's surname!

[@sheakennedy-ordway1156]

HEAVY LIP SMACKS.

[@lazarofstygia2241]

Dry mouth struggles.

[@sheakennedy-ordway1156]

@@lazarofstygia2241 I get it. Just a little tease.

[@perspectivanevazuta8827]

And he never impailed germans

[@LoneWolf-gz9mr]

That's one of the main problems with the shift from VtM to V5... What happened to the tzimisce anti?.. I mean it GOT put down... But like the fall of vienna it doesn't make a lot of sense on HOW. (the tzimisce thing was just bad.. I mean come on, that clan was more a "plot device" then anything else) That's my main problem with the clan (and probably why they got axed in v5) they are too easily "the bad guy"... They are so easily SEEN as "something to move the game along".... The lasombra? Cool concept... Easily "fit in" with vampires... They control shadows... But the game thrusts them out as something that STRAINS credibility.. So easily "game thing".. the Tzimisce?... Same thing, strains credibility.... They flesh craft AND are wizards... That just smacks of not "believable"... (most of VtM COULD conceivably be IRL... "body horror" people?... While also animating a person's pool to drown them?.. Not so much...Animating Shadows? Yeah possible... Conjuring dark clouds that kill people? and it never being seen or uploaded?? Not so much...Vampires? BELIEVABLE... These two clans? Not so much...White Wolf back in it's inception went a little "Too hard-core" in making an OBVIOUS "bad guy"... Which I guess they needed for their "meta plot"... But again, like most, they bungled the time scaling. and had quite a bit of "power creep" with their meta-plot. The Tzimisce (like the lasombra) were brought in SPECIFICALLY for a GAME. (which of course broke all immersion)

[@jamesisaacson6379]

OK so how would you do lasombra and tzimisce then in good way?

[@LoneWolf-gz9mr]

@@jamesisaacson6379 Well number one, the whole "game says bad guy" is really subjective considering everybody is kinda the "bad guy"... Even the "good guys" are the main antagonists in a monster movie already..... You start there... The lasombra? Yes controlling shadows works... BUT dash in the "lancea sanctum" from VtR.... They are "bad" because they are being "good" at what they are and are really just trying to "help"... Maybe showcase that there is SOMETHING in the dark they command that isn't RIGHT.. but none of them have a clue what it is.. (most don't care)... (they moved UNNOTICED for EONS in the church no less, and NOW want to display their powers outright? Plus just NOW have a problem "blending in" with humanity????) The Tzimisice could be shown to have the powers they do, because they ARE backwoods people that have clung to old ways of doing things since time immoral.(vampires wouldn't see a REASON to change)... But they CERTAINLY would NOT be head-banging punk rockers and still have "old world" powers and ties (again straining credibility).... Maybe ditch the VIsscitude all together. (we already have serpentis and protean for shape-changing and they bend credibility enough) The whole sabbat (two mentioned clans in particular) being "smash all the humans" and "gun down all the cams"... Just kinda FEELS very "game- based".. Loads of good stuff just maybe take it buffet-style... A good portion of VtM old school... A bit from VtR (did personal horror pretty good by second ed.) and a Smattering of V5. But that's just MHO... You did ask.

[@VandalAudi]

Iirc, Sascha prefers "they" than "she", they really insist upon it as their collection of furniture can attest.

[@Truename586]

“It” is more accurate

[@trevor7861]

The Romanian vampires in Breaking Dawn sort of seemed Tzimice ish

[@gcrichlow17]

You keep saying anti-diluvian but NEVER explain what that means!!!

[@lazarofstygia2241]

To begin the explanation it's ANTEDILUVIAN. The term refers to anyone who existed prior to the Deluge, the Biblical great flood. Kindred use the term to refer to the 13 vampires of the Third Generation who founded the Great Clans, though there were more than 13 Third Gen Kindred who survived the flood. The reason for repeated use of the term in this video is that the founder of Clan Tzimisce has no known name.

[@madteachernumber8425]

i do not like how it is written. the story is very hmm not to my liking

[@chimera916]

Your pronunciation of Tzimisce is terribile.