The Total War You've Always Wanted

[@JackieFishHD]

If you could have pick one era for a total war game what would it be?

[@luigisaguier8336]

Empire Total War era, it is an era that spans the whole world while line infantry battles still occurring and there is still lots of asymmetric armies around the world so you get lots of variety and different tactics

[@LoremasterLiberaster]

1400-1699 A.D.

[@ChiotaichMacDhomhnaill]

1630 - 1900

[@Jim-e3t]

new medieval game

[@RomeoXak]

Late Middle Age Europe but Japan/China alliance travelled west and Rome SPQR opened a portal time travelled to reclaim Italian peninsula. 4 games in 1

[@100gendos]

It's really strange that Creative Assembly didn't pay attention or time to 17th century Europe, immediately taking us from the Middle Ages to the Modern Age, bypassing the era of Pike and Shot. And this despite the fact that a similar time in Japan was present in Shogun 1 and 2.

[@AlejandroNievas1]

they just wanted to focush and when briatin was the main power... :P

[@patrickkelly6691]

@@AlejandroNievas1 An interesting theory. backed by the number of games and DLC they have produced from the 19th Century when the UK was the richest and most powerful nation on the planet. /s

[@Prophed2301]

The period is a bit boring military wise to be honest. By boring I mean that it basically used Pike and Shot, as the title says with some cavalry and artillery added. This made the battles way less dynamic compared to the middle ages/renaissance or the napoleon wars. I suspect this is the reason they have not used this setting.

[@AlejandroNievas1]

@@Prophed2301 emm? is actually the opposite , a combination of medieval and moder warfare ... with huge emphasys on mobility of the divisions and brigades, across battlefields, and in campaing the strat of supply networks , and the creation of the nation states as we know today

[@davidcirovic8620]

@@Prophed2301 so pikes together with muskets and artillery with knights on top is boring compared to knights with archers and spearmen?

[@pikeshottotalwar1648]

Thanks for sharing this video, it was tough battle! You can notice that some units have broken textures, this is issue of original game and hopefully we will find a solution in the future. Also, this video was uploaded right in time because we are preparing lagre update with new factions and many more features. So stay tuned! 😉

[@Георг-л5л]

Keep up the good work !

[@jschex123]

Can’t wait for the campaign. I know it’s a long ways down the road but you’re doing Gods work

[@izzitfs2311]

yes and a campaign right? 😄

[@victornesteruk541]

What is your discord?

[@gr_egg]

my brother in christ the japanese voicelines need to go keep up the good work

[@comeintotheforest]

3:01 the standard was about stationary heavy artillery, but part of what set the genius of Gustav II of Sweden apart was his army’s emphasis on light, mobile artillery and the cross training of each infantryman to be able to handle these “leather guns” as they were called. There was a high percentage of these lighter guns within his forces, and they we used as aggressive mobile artillery in order to take advantage of any weaknesses that appear in the enemy formation. He was an early innovator in the modern style of combined arms warfare

[@Mercvrio5369]

Jackie, man. at this time the Spanish developed a unique formation called the Tercios (Thirds), one of the finest professional infantries in the world. They had 10 companies of 300 soldiers each, of which 8 were pikemen's companies and 2 were of arquebusiers. Later they added swordsmen, making the whole thing a pretty deadly combination.

[@pl-AEtheRR]

This mod actually takes place some 100 years after the tercios' glory days, this is the era of Dutch and Swedish brigades with pike-to-shot proportions basically reversed.

[@joaogomes9405]

Other way around actually, the tercios started with a relatively even split of pikemen, swordsmen and crossbowmen, and as they went on they gradually replaced the swordsmen with more pikemen and the crossbowmen with arquebusiers, since pikemen countered cavalry, which were the biggest threat to the arquebusiers. When two tercios met in melee combat that was called a push of pike. As firearms became better and better, the arquebusiers started replacing more and more pikemen, and eventually they dropped the pikemen altogether and evolved into line infantry.

[@stasnov]

Final battle of Alatriste starring Viggo Mortensen depicts it very well.

[@Mercvrio5369]

Great to know! @@joaogomes9405, Thanks!

[@HansWurst1569]

Yes like someone already said the tercios were already pretty outdated during the time of the 30 years war. Most had switched to a mix of Maurician or Gustavian tactics.

[@davidbuckley2435]

I remember when I played Empire a few years ago thinking that a pike-and-shot Total War game would be class. Maybe the mythical Empire 2 Total War will give us a game that runs from 1600ish to 1800ish

[@mango2005]

The 1600s is interesting because its sortof a transition between Late Medieval and modern warfare. Big change in fashions around 1660s in West, but not so much in Eastern Europe.

[@kristijangrgic9841]

Actualy in eastern Europe as well. Uskoks, hussars, hayduks etc

[@mango2005]

@@kristijangrgic9841 I think the Haiduk style of coat in Poland was introduced by King Stefan Bathory in the 1500s. He was previously Prince of Transylvania.

[@vegapunk100]

Am i the only one that appreciates how they gave pikemen and musketers lots of different accessories and attrire

[@pl-AEtheRR]

That's how they wore it in history so why not give them that?

[@volatile100]

@@pl-AEtheRR It's a lot of extra development that isn't necessary for gameplay.

[@pl-AEtheRR]

@@volatile100 It's a community-driven mod whose explicit purpose is to provide an accurate pike-and-shot experience. So (1) they don't owe anyone efficiency, they can focus on whatever _they_ deem important, and (2) it is necessary for achieving the mod's stated mission which goes beyond gameplay.

[@volatile100]

@@pl-AEtheRR You asked why *not* give them that. I gave a reason to not give what would otherwise be considered a minor detail. If this weren't a mod, it wouldn't have been included, we known what CA is like. In normal game development it would be a post launch addition sold for $5.

[@pl-AEtheRR]

@@volatile100 That reason is only applicable if getting the thing out quickly and efficiently was the main stated goal though. But yes, I do see your point.

[@itskyansaro]

A Total War game set from the Beginning of the Landsknecht/Pike&Shot Era in 1512 until it's End around 1700 would put the Series back on the Map

[@cenkiss2331]

1648 mod for medieval 2 has all the pike and shot history you can want. With all the nations and duchies of that time. Cannons, star forts, muskets. And it does it much more authentic.

[@RazorbackX99]

What an interesting and yet very under-represented era. I particularly enjoyed the slower, methodical pace of the battle.

[@vde1846]

The base mechanics of TW works so much better when the whole flow of battle is slowed down. I do understand why CA is pushing speed (though I do not understand why they are consistently degrading and neglecting the base mechanics as opposed to refining them), but I really wish they weren't.

[@kevlarburrito6693]

I've become a bit enamored with the pike and shot era after learning I had several relatives who were part of the English command staff at the Siege of Bergen Op Zoom

[@Dskater84]

i just want someone to make a proper campaign for this mod

[@stanleymcfadden6407]

What I notice is how long time they use the loading rod should be maximum 2 times which would increase the firing speeds

[@charliekristiansson6975]

That would be nice, but i think that it would apply if the unit is more experienced, so a rank 1 would take longer to reload than a rank 2 so to speak.

[@seranonable]

for proper pike and shot though wouldn't the muskets be skirmishers that can toggle whether they hide inside the pike formation? probably not a way to do that, but you could make them skirmishers with loose formation at least so that they can escape into friendly formations easier

[@Kramplarv]

proper pike and shotte formations do not translate to a game so good :p a game is too fast.

[@CapybaraConnoisseur89]

I'd love to see TOTAL WAR Renaissance starting from AD 1453 End of Last Roman Empire, Birth of Renaissance and new warfare all the way up to Siege of Vienna, End game should be Ottoman Invasion. It should include World map eventually like China, Japan, Mongolia, Korea, Americas just like TW: WH 3 big combined map.

[@cannibalisticvegan8461]

We've all been waiting, we've all been hoping

[@Poggle_der_Geringere]

Gothic and Milanese plate armoured knights with pistols, arquebusiers, pikemen etc etc would be awesome before transitioning into full pike and shot.

[@CapybaraConnoisseur89]

@@Poggle_der_Geringere yeah I'd love to have modern Total War with all that, Spanish Tercio, Italian Condottiere, French Gendarmes, Polish Hussars etc.

[@bobbynewport666]

great commentary would love to see more pike&shot!

[@xjuliussx]

could we at last hope for a proper 30 years war mod , i wonder ?!

[@demomanchaos]

Made a mod similar in idea to this by making everyone use the units from the old Portugal mod, and was pondering making a ground up Pike and Shot type of mod. Looks like I don't have to.

[@LeoMajor1]

When I thnk of a pike and shot TW game I think of full units where there is pike in the front line and musket in the backline and ofc the damage done chips away at both or they have seperate health pools within the same unit

[@Jeda_Tragumee]

I know this is very off topic for the video I am watching, but any updates on the War of the Roses mod for Bannerlord?

[@jamesmcpherson8599]

Pretty on topic given the period and mode of warfare

[@Георг-л5л]

There’s war and roses mod ? U know how badly I want a game set on that period ? Is that mod full of content or still barebones ?

[@Jeda_Tragumee]

@@Георг-л5лYup

[@Maperator]

a mod like this along with the ottomans, safavids and muscovy will be peak

[@MrBokkata]

Spanish tercio!!! Best Army of all times!

[@ethansmith279]

This reminds me of setting up AI battles in Empire using only Demicannon, Milita, light cav, and Pikeman, Trying to recreate an English Civil War era type battle

[@1987MartinT]

I'd love to see more videos from this mod.

[@dramat1cz]

Is it not bad that the modders are bringing out more content (Dlc's) than creative assembly. For having little resources to do these mods, i'm very impressed indeed. Such as WW1, zulu wars, shot and pike, Medieval 3 on attila etc

[@astartesfanboy5294]

wait ww1?

[@dramat1cz]

@astartesfanboy5294 yeh there was a ww1 mod for napoleon total war

[@pascalheinrich3990]

Its called the Great War mod for Napoleon Total war.

[@FancyMcDancy]

When are us plebs going to have access to this mod?

[@thecobaltemperor]

We kinda do have pike and shot with the Empire as basically 17th century HRE

[@sculptor682]

Kindly: You should remember to use the actual names of Mods that you're showcasing, in your descriptions. I spent quite a few minutes vainly searching for "Shot and Pike" when what you're showing here is "1529-War of Gunpowder" Beta. You said "Shot and Pike" about 4 times in the start and never mentioned the actual title or provided a link.

[@therac197]

Confidently incorrect ... The mod is literally called Pike and Shot 2 and is for Shogun 2 and not Attila

[@sculptor682]

Thanks. That's what links are for. For some reason my Google search didn't take me to the right steam workshop. Perhaps because the words were reversed.

[@therac197]

@@sculptor682 take the mod db download though. That's the current version. Workshop one is not updated yet. Guys added the Ottoman Empire and PLC with the last update. Also FINALLY Daylo put Pappenheim into the Bavarian roster too Edit: Just checked the workshop is up to date now but only links to mod db

[@julvadas]

I think for this period warfare to work in a game as if it was, developers should completely change the gameplay by implementing mix units (arquebuisers and pikes as one unit) and AI would rotate musket fire and retreat behind the pikes just before the melee begins, also units or brigades should be much larger in sizes, also ranged cavalry supposed to be on the move shoot their pistols and run from danger in formation just to reload and return, modern CA would never do that , their all games feels the same regardless of an era

[@AR-iu7kf]

Very intense tactics, i would like to see more shots and pikes !

[@ChiotaichMacDhomhnaill]

WE NEED MORE OF THIS MOD FROM ALL RTS KZbinRS

[@thesaintsrowspartan]

If we get this as an actual game, you're gonna be spamming abilities and see Karl Franz charging headlong into pikes. By himself. CA has fallen, lads.

[@definelogic4803]

We may get the old days back again

[@thesaintsrowspartan]

@definelogic4803 Even though I'd like to hope so, I'm the type of person that's once burned, will immediately keep a grudge or memory and stick to my principles as best as I can. I have no faith in CA or any new games and have lost faith since they moved to warhammer 1. I never played Rome or Attila but have tried it and found it lacking, even in the year. I still go back to play Shogun 2 just because I prefer the time period and the systems are a little more solid than the newest games. Trust; once broken cannot be fixed.

[@definelogic4803]

@@thesaintsrowspartan got it so you’re a loser who thinks everything is gonna be Arcady forever because of fantasy titles everyone in the community begged for

[@Mike3to]

​@@thesaintsrowspartanMaybe we will get a good total war after Warhammer Total War 16.

[@thesaintsrowspartan]

@Mike3to or another Total War Arena type game. Troy, Pharaoh, Three Kingdoms were all disgusting. The art style, the gameplay and lack of features are just disappointing if not infuriating. I was excited for three kingdoms and am glad I didn't buy it when it came out. Give me a historical title already, CA! Fuck your apologies!

[@liameyles1450]

this is a nice looking mod total war shogun 2 still looks so good

[@mawortz]

I want Empire 2 with the whole world map

[@Ryuko-T72]

I want to see them fight a regular Shogun 2 army. Like a what could've been in some 1600s Europe vs Japan or such.

[@kazansky22]

Dude I would love a shot and pike game, I would hope they would do naval battles too.

[@VonBek2009]

If only if CA listened to its customers 🤔

[@МенМаатСет]

campaign when?

[@activationfunction]

The army composition is just right, the individual unit size is accurate, the pacing of the fight could be a bit longer. Overall, this is an amazing mod and a huge missed opportunity for CA. However, CA is actively killing EU related historical games due to several reasons so I don't think they will make something like this anytime soon.

[@elkingoh4543]

As a Sabaton fans, it was honour to see Swedish in the game. BTW, did Spanish have sword and buckle Infantry?

[@Kramplarv]

yes. They had something called Rodoleros, sword and shield units meant to kind of break pike formations. But it was short lived.

[@johnybravo4807]

looking at new "historical" tws after shogun 2 im not even sure they could even make shogun 2 from scratch ,and i mean shogun 2 the old game not shogun 3.

[@Oversamma]

Please do more awesome videos of this amazing mod! I absolutely love it!

[@andredulac4456]

Shogun had better firearms and artillerie fights than Empire, change my mind.

[@shashumgadimbo6857]

look pike and shot without the capability of properly utilising pike and shot tactics

[@EnRandomSten]

any mod where I can roleplay as Gustavus Adolphus is a great mod in my book

[@nayas1885]

That ending was Cannae!

[@onemoreminute0543]

I get the impression that the events going on in Europe during the 1500's and 1600's are underdiscussed in US history fan circles, which I find interesting

[@vesrra8185]

Because New Spain and La Habana in Cuba were so much rich than the poor broke ass 13th colonies that they dont like that. Also, in europe, as it was ruled by Spain in the west and Ottos in the east, englad was a minor power, and as they rule the propaganda, they dont like that

[@Mikesman1000]

Empire 2 on Shogun 2 base would've worked out well also, but hey who am I to suggest to The (Not) Creative Assembly...

[@blecao]

As someone who loves the period they are literally playing on beutifull historic formations there beutifull

[@operator9858]

ngl...ive wanted to play a pike and shot total war game for decades lol.

[@derkylos]

Get Medieval 2.

[@poodlemeister22314]

this looks so cool I love it

[@AdministrativeResults]

Would love to see this era in a Medieval Total War 3

[@demomanchaos]

Wait a tick, the Talking Balaclava is a Total War nerd and a Pike and Shot nerd? Surprised no one else spotted you.

[@AdministrativeResults]

@@demomanchaos wish tercio gameplay was better in MTW2. It's a sick part of history that gets overlooked a lot.

[@demomanchaos]

@@AdministrativeResults The problem with pikes in M2 is their secondary weapon, the soldier AI loves to swap to it over keeping their pike out which makes vanilla pikemen so weak. Mods like Conquest and others revoke that backup weapon forcing them to keep their pikes out. That change alone makes a HUGE difference in their viability. I need to try this mod out though, was pondering making one of my own (Kind of did with the old Portugal mod, modded that one a fair bit as a basis) but mine would use vanilla assets since I can't do more than fuss with the data files.

[@AdministrativeResults]

@@demomanchaos I'd like to use a mod, to use them now I double stack them. Usually helps in vanilla

[@demomanchaos]

@@AdministrativeResultsDo you straight double stack on top of each other or make the frontline of the second unit just behind the frontline of the first?

[@Metalord874]

I'm curious how they will balance the different units, pike and muskets. If muskets are to strong there's no point in having pikes, and if they are to weak there's you can just spam pike units. There need to be a reason to use both

[@therac197]

Cavalry right now is the main balancing factors. Musketeers break moral very easily and pike men prevents that. Go ahead current version is on mod db

[@moretar]

Beautiful!

[@oesbaer3555]

Great video and very entertaining battle. Has the Shot and Pike Mod real Campaign already or just battles?

[@Nick-eu3ot]

How to download this mod?

[@BigOrangeNetwork]

Can we get a Total War that’s based from 1836-1870. There’s so many wars that can be integrated in here from the Texas revolution, Mexican American war, the Crimean war, the US Civil War, the Second Schleswig War, and then the Franco Prussian war which caused the unification of Germany.

[@discreetvortex8237]

Its pike and shot not shot and pike

[@Flicky669]

Does this mod have a campaign or just battles?

[@jschex123]

Just battles for now

[@pl-AEtheRR]

Campaign is apparently coming... Someday.

[@Jawshuah]

does the imperator rome music come with it too?

[@Ryuko-T72]

Also wish that they'd stay at longer range. Looks weird with them right next to each other

[@pascalheinrich3990]

This guns are in this early Period Hellas inaccurate. There where jokes about Muskets that came later that it is safer to stand in Front of the Barrel then far away from it

[@Ryuko-T72]

@@pascalheinrich3990 i know that. It just looks weird in this form, especially when this was a period where some gunners would purposely miss, because of religious reasons, they where afraid to kill other people. You would only really get this close if one party was charging the other, like would be seen later around the 1700s. Muskets in base shogun 2 have always had poor range however

[@gogogomes7025]

There better support for 20-year-long sieges.

[@drabantcorper4727]

NooooooooooooooOOOoOooooooooooooo thats nog how Sweden should be set up. Oh god ! You made the entire empire turn in its grave with that setup ! To many pikés and wrong formations. There should be almost no pikés in small boxes with the chance for cavalry ro runt between the boxes. The cannons look to heavy they should be the Lightest in the game. And the cavalry is not seen oh god what i have done for someone to do this !!!!!!

[@leeknivek]

Where are the polish and the hussars?

[@therac197]

Were added 2 weeks ago

[@SeuDigao]

Pikes are actually spanish tercios?

[@Gil_Perez]

Habsburg Monarchy has an uncorrect flag

[@therac197]

Its the right one ...

[@yemannwaiphyo8817]

Colonial Era.

[@joshuaparrott2458]

English civil war & War of the Roses

[@Vitan89]

The gunners seem to have a worse accuracy then in empire total war.

[@troels4554]

Unbelievable they gave us Pharaoh :-(

[@NikiforosDim]

incredible

[@CasperTheRamKnight]

where can i get therese mods?

[@aplaceinthesky82]

this is only for multi right?

[@christianbender6877]

Where link to mod? :)=

[@mason480]

Is the mod on steam workshop?

[@therac197]

Older version is, current one is coming in couple days.

[@waterboi4846]

nah we want an official lotr total war

[@ribos2762]

nahhh I've always wanted star war total war

[@bendover-t4t]

are the netherlands in this mod

[@therac197]

Yes

[@bendover-t4t]

i bought it but thy speak japanese@@therac197

[@Abdu_401]

how to get the mods ?

[@Uberdude6666]

But NOW surely CA has no other options left but to give us Pike & Shot-TW..? *Next CA historical title*: Aztec empire/pre-Colombian America-total waaar!! :D This mod keeps looking better and better though, can't wait for them to release a campaign

[@zulubeatz1]

English Civil War most definitely

[@rgb8013]

We wanted Warring Stats and not Three Kingdoms

[@ErnestIsGaming]

Game doesn't realistically portray pike and shot tactics

[@pl-AEtheRR]

Of course it doesn't. There is no pike and shot focused Total War that has the proper mechanics to represent this style of warfare.

[@ErnestIsGaming]

@@pl-AEtheRR exactly

[@bobbynewport666]

i was sweden gg

[@sparkieT88]

doesn't look like pike and shot to me, i have never seen a game do tercios correctly

[@jorgemejiasp]

pike and shoot and no spain? shame

[@therac197]

Were added back in August...

[@proektrabotayet8197]

17 век

[@pickleinspector5948]

Sadly no campaign yet...I don't care about mp

[@CasperTheRamKnight]

show gun :3

[@abelvelez9723]

no, sorry

[@Aranos92]

Actually i want a Victorian Era Total War... not a Pike and Shot one... :/

[@sawman9517]

i feel this would be the most boring gameplay in a TW

[@pl-AEtheRR]

Not if there were actual pike and shot mechanics in the game. Thus far a game like that just doesn't exist.

[@pierceh.5670]

It would be the most interesting total war, not just in equipment, but it geopolitics, religions, naval, tactics, if you haven’t, study some of the battles and especially sieges of the 16th and 17th centuries.