The Tower | Farming in v24

[@96robin]

thats what i had most problem with finding the balance in the dmg, your rule of thumb of x10 seems to be working good for me :D appricate all the good you do for this community. keep it up

[@greeny4589]

I'm happy this helped you!

[@paulbriean5885]

Why is he adding dmg incrementally instead of all at once though?

[@greeny4589]

It's so I kill as many enemies as possible in spotlight for the coin bonus it gives. If you keep your damage low enough, enemies will only die in spotlight because of the large damage boost it gives.

[@96robin]

@@paulbriean5885 you want as many enemies on screen at once, but you also want to kill them befor they stay too long becuse they get worth less afther a little while. so its all a balancing act

[@davidyanez7055]

Thank you so much for showing your run, super helpful!

[@CB-ec4vg]

Thank you so much for doing this. I essentially built out the recommendations based on health when to layer in the damage. When i have used this method i have seen a 100+ T increase in resources due to staying optimal on CPM for the Run. This sucks for those overnight runs where you cant have fine control, but such is life. 20q, 80q, 250q, 600q, 1.56Q, 3.14Q, Etc.

[@greeny4589]

I'm happy this could help! Yeah, this strategy isn't built well for overnight runs. The coins are not as good using it like that.

[@DanijelKolar-f4n]

congrats on 1000 subs

[@LilKiDSaint]

are you able to make a video/ guide on how. to do your Strat?

[@nicolasflp-v7v]

Hello, i really like your videos, this help me a lot but i struggle on one thing, the death wave, i don't understand what is the factors for kept dw active and growth lot of heal in the beggining of my run, did i need lot of attack ? why sometimes she go away even if my tower never attacked ? ty you for helping me ! have a nice day

[@greeny4589]

Yeah you need more damage to keep it up longer. Everytime it activates, damage gets added to the pool which can stack infinitely. It goes away once the damage in the pool reaches 0, so you need more damage to keep it up longer. It is also affected by damage multipliers like spotlight or amplify bot, which help the pool stay up longer by allowing the enemies to take less damage away from the pool when dying to it.

[@nicolasflp-v7v]

@@greeny4589 Ok thanks you very much for your help and reactivity ! love you

[@preston8465]

hi thanks for the video, looks like you have pretty much reaches end of the game here. whats your next goal or growth aspects from this point onward? appreciate your time and effort

[@greeny4589]

Continuing to develop my tools to get coins is the main thing I am working on, more coins is always good. I still need to upgrade my damage as well sometime.

[@sebastianalingarghe7446]

How can you get so many cells? Because i farm them in level 1 and get to wave 6k normally. One time i got to wave 7k and still only got 2k cells. I know there is a bonus of the death wave, but i dont think that makes such a big difference

[@greeny4589]

There is also the tier differences, where the elites spawn earlier on higher tiers. Also cells/kill bonus in the enhancements and a few other things.

[@zlicigan]

except playing for a really long time (i think you mentioned almost 2 years). How much money did you spend on this game? Also what money perk is the best value for its cost (at the moment I only have adds and 2x coins bonus bought)

[@greeny4589]

I have spend around 4k. The best value packs are the three at the top of the store (no ads, starter, epic) If you are pretty new and haven't played that much yet, buying a single stone pack would be very good for progressing. There will be a stone pack available in around 2 days in game, or you can buy them from the Web Store, just enter your player id: thetower.xsollasitebuilder.com/

[@olijuice]

Thanks for the video, I just have two questions. What factors contributed most to the x603 coin bonus at tier 11? I have both packs purchased and am only at x389. Also, how much less do you think you would make on this run if you just had all damage maxed at the start instead of gradually upgrading?

[@greeny4589]

It would probably be 30-40% less coins if I maxed my damage at the start. Also, here is a link to my current coin bonus on T11 so you can see: imgur.com/a/V96kbCO

[@Rise6474]

Appreciate the video, may I ask what your substats are on your dimension core?

[@greeny4589]

Right now I got Spotlight angle, Spotlight bonus, CF speed reduction, and Smart Missile cooldown, still trying to get CL chance, PS duration, or Smart Missile quantity.

[@simoneverita6379]

if I can't get past level 12 do you think I should use the DEVO, even after the latest update? and then how do you have a high coin multiplier?

[@greeny4589]

You don't really need devo anymore, so no. Here is my current coin multiplier to compare: imgur.com/a/miWRaLm

[@A_c9s]

Hi, thanks for a nice inside into end game farming. What exactly is the point of managing SM damage to be low?

[@greeny4589]

It's so that SM only gets its kills inside of spotlight, so all enemies get the 3x coin bonus it gives.

[@bloodyelbowest]

Good job and thank you!

[@PurpleGlobe]

I just started this game yesterday. Out of curiosity, how many hours would you say youve put in to get to this point?

[@greeny4589]

Its more of a length of time rather than hours played, because a lot of people have the game running 24/7. I have been playing for 1 year and 11 months, which would probably be around 16,500 hours.

[@Zibbibbo]

i'd like to see a setup for a total afk run, a sort of nigh sleep farm build

[@greeny4589]

I am kind of using the same setup, but I get most of the perks before I sleep and put on orbs just so I don't die. It's not as many coins, but the cpm still gets up there when spawn rate maxes at 6500 waves. I might change up my farming schedule if the runs get too long, so I might make a setup with autoperks where I can just start the run and go to sleep.

[@galaxymasterking2709]

Basically just surviving for rounds 10k+; do you rely more on all of the damage you are inflicting, or rely more on your health/wall/thorns? Or is it a mix of using your wall for certain enemies and using UW for others? I ask cause I feel like the higher rounds I get too, enemies just glitch into my tower and I die. Whenever I go to tiers 11 or 12 I can easily kill enemies with higher health and attack than what I died to in a rank 10 run, but I can’t surpass a certain point.

[@greeny4589]

Health takes me further than damage just because of my cc, like having perma bh, and 90% cf slow, so normal enemies can't hit me at all, It is a lot harder when normal enemies are also hitting you. For me its pretty much Wall thorns for elites + bosses, orbs for everything else. I assume it is just the amount of enemies killing you if you can surpass the t10 enemy stats in t11 and t12, so maybe working on your cc would help a lot.

[@pikespeaktrd]

@@greeny4589what does cc mean?

[@sebastianalingarghe7446]

But how can you get the golden combo? I mean, I understand that it gives you money depending on the enemies you kill during the golden tower, but I don,t know what I have to do to get that

[@greeny4589]

To be able to unlock it, you need to buy every ultimate weapon, then the option will appear.

[@silvionunes8935]

I mean at that point why not just run GC 69 m range the whole time? Wouldn’t that be the best option for an idle game? Or do you do health for more coins? I’m a little confused on going thru the effort for wall and devo if you are just going to go off of dmg mostly in the end.

[@greeny4589]

Using health allows me to run a 30m range for a long time. If you compare the coverage of golden bot between 30m and 69.5m, the difference is very large because enemies get hoarded very close to my tower. I only use tower damage in this run for orbless so that I can get more kills in spotlight. I could just fully rely on health with orbs, but that's a big coin loss. You can sort of do a GC setup if you play for death wave, you can't get hurt until DW breaks, so survivability wouldn't matter until then. It's also more idle than this. You lose some coins from kills outside of spotlight, but the death wave coin bonus applying to every enemy makes up for it.

[@hansimgluck6789]

very interesting video. Whats the benefit of micromanaging everything like you do compared to a completely afk run.

[@greeny4589]

Mostly from making more coins because I am killing all the enemies in spotlight, until I add orbs of course. But you can farm with death wave after the update with auto perks and still make just as much coins as you would in a run setup like this.

[@KRISUPLAY]

Will you record a video reviewing cards, modules, subeffect modules, UW, lab and workshop?

[@greeny4589]

I did a video showing all of that a few weeks ago, next one will likely be in 2-3 weeks.

[@zachmatuszak]

Hi Greeny could you also show how the strategy changes between farming and tournament? Regen not nearly as useful in tournament

[@greeny4589]

I will definitely do a tournament video at one point. I might wait until after Version 25 comes out just because tournaments are going to change a lot, so it would become outdated pretty quickly if I made it before that.

[@CanyonAeis-zy9hc]

What is the blue explosion ? What is that ? from where you got it ?

[@greeny4589]

It is flame bot from the event shop.

[@DC4TH]

I install the game like two months ago, but right now feel kinda stuck in tier 12 at wave 60… seeing your numbers, upgrades and everything makes me wonder… is all of that from a lot of time or do you spend some money? If so, what would you recommend to invest?

[@greeny4589]

Its a lot of both time played and money. Right now in the meta, economy will win in the long run, so good investment in GT, BH, SL, and DW will be the best for the future.

[@Niaxci]

@@greeny4589 what is GT BH SL and DW?

[@greeny4589]

@@Niaxci The ultimate weapons Golden Tower, Black Hole, Spotlight, and Death Wave.

[@Niaxci]

@@greeny4589 alr ty

[@Shadowbow1000]

Could you explain why you just don't max from the beginning? I understand you don't want to kill enemies before they're are in BH but could you articulate it?

[@greeny4589]

It's mainly so that I kill as many enemies as possible in spotlight for the coin bonus. If you keep your damage low enough, enemies will only die in spotlight because of the large damage boost it gives.

[@xT3BEx]

Is there a difference by upgrading under certain points and just having everything maxed?

[@greeny4589]

Not quite sure what you mean by that, but if you mean the fact that I have some upgrades at level 0, then yes, some upgrades are not optimal to have at max level. If you are talking about having some upgrades at a specific level rather than max, then yes as well, in different cases it can be good to have range or shockwave size at a specific level.

[@xT3BEx]

@@greeny4589 i mean like ur UW'S activating at that point and not having it active since start same with the cards damage and berserk i just have it in .btw i like ur videos and try to lern from them

[@greeny4589]

@@xT3BEx Yes, there is a difference when I activate UWs or cards at a certain time, I make more coins because I get more kills in spotlight for the 3x coin bonus. I hope my videos can help!

[@ThreeBooleans]

I like how idle this game pretends to be, when you're like working hard here micromanaging

[@greeny4589]

Yeah the game isn't very idle besides a few things. Even with the most idle build you can make, you still need to have the game running.

[@Niaxci]

is there a reason why you don't max your orbs in the workshop? i mean they cost 400k and you have 400T, and also it just kills any enemies for you. something i'm missing?

[@Niaxci]

also why don't you use all of your 19 card slots?

[@greeny4589]

The reason for not using orbs is so I can get more kills in spotlight to get the 3x coin bonus. I don't use all the card slots at the start, but I do use them by the end to add more damage. The goal is to limit my damage so that I only get kills inside of spotlight, which is possible because of the large damage boost it gives.

[@Niaxci]

@@greeny4589 ah alr

[@Phobos-ud3my]

What about target priorities do you pot kill things in spotlight at the top?

[@greeny4589]

Yeah I have spotlight at the top, forgot about showing that.

[@Z06Boss23]

How do you get the GT multiplier to show on screen right under your gems like that? Thanks

[@greeny4589]

That is Golden Combo, not the GT multiplier, you need every ultimate weapon to be able to unlock it.

[@Z06Boss23]

@@greeny4589 oh I see. Im far from that lol. Just chipping away on mining for a bit. Wave 73 on T15 is my best so far. It was pure luck as I death penalty shot 3 bosses and skipped 3 and death defied the rest lol. Every time I try now I die before w30 haha. I keep pushing GT duration in the labs as it seems the most beneficial on my idle runs on T8. It's a grind that's for sure. Probably not running the most optimal set up but I'll learn lol. Thanks for the videos.

[@_vanwinata]

Is dead rays can kill vampire instantly? I frustrated to kill them in 700+ waves

[@greeny4589]

No it can't. Research the Garlic Thorns lab if you haven't, that should help with them.

[@family6698]

Does it worth to research extra black hole. I earn only 2B per farming so i hesitate about it

[@greeny4589]

I think its definitely worth it. It would help your coin gain a lot.

[@George-y7f3o]

why so many things are 0 in attack? Do they harm the build?

[@greeny4589]

Yeah a lot of things can hurt the amount of coins you get. All of the projectile upgrades are actually ok if I had 0% knockback chance, but I leave them at 0 because I maxed kb chance in the workshop.

[@potatoking7722]

Why dont you use the beserker card does it become useless late game? NVM you mentioned you use it. Ooops

[@greeny4589]

Late into the farm run I actually don't need it for survivability, but it does help make more coins because I can kill protectors faster when I am relying on health.

[@kashup_9894]

Do you add bsr during the run?

[@greeny4589]

I already have that maxed, but I don't ever upgrade bounce shot, so no.

[@kashup_9894]

@@greeny4589 ahhh i see

[@wumpy8]

when does demon mode come into play?

[@greeny4589]

It's not important, it doesn't actually do much, but I usually click it near the end when I see scatters + vampires together, because that combo is what kills me.

[@IsayaKitten]

I just did a respec and now I have 1.3b coins, do I buy extra orbs lvl 2 and switch to blender even if i don't have boss orb hit?

[@greeny4589]

Boss orb hit isn't really a blender specific upgrade, so yeah you are fine to work on blender without the research. Its more for killing regular enemies with orbs rather than bosses

[@IsayaKitten]

​@@greeny4589 Should I save up stones to sync BH and GT or buy SM to switch to a damage build my next uw is 300 and I need 860 to sync

[@greeny4589]

Syncing GT and BH will help you the most by far, it's definitely the best thing for you to work on. Also make sure you get the Black Hole Coin Bonus lab as high as you can.

[@IsayaKitten]

​@@greeny4589I'm having quite some trouble progressing, I tried getting t1 relic and wasted 9 hours I was at wave 3.5k do u have any suggestions, I can't use gc because i dont have sm, sl, or cl I have 1.7b lifetime coins. Am I just stuck until I sync BH and GT? (about 4 months) I started a month ago and progress really slowed down, farming runs are practically useless I got 8m from my t1 run however I can get 8m simply from 1 daily mission.

[@greeny4589]

@@IsayaKitten It shouldn't take 4 months to sync them unless you upgraded BH cooldown already. If you did that you can try to sync GT cooldown to every other BH, like it BH is at 2m 30s, your GT would sync with a 5m cooldown. From there every BH cooldown upgrade would require 2 GT cooldown upgrades to stay synced.

[@mathpourlavie9326]

Why taking the perk that loses health for a health regen bonus? Wasn't health regen the worst stat in the game with absolute defense?

[@greeny4589]

Health regen is good now with Wall fortification.

[@faruk896]

Why do you use Intro Sprint? I couldn't understand it.

[@greeny4589]

I have the card space and there isn't anything better to use, so why not. It's not necessary at all.

[@joshuapatterson5559]

Where do you get the ultimate crit

[@greeny4589]

You unlock it in the milestones in Tier 14 at Wave 50.

[@joshuapatterson5559]

@@greeny4589 what cards for farming

[@danielscott9137]

Wow, the best i can get is 830 at t9, just tanking the boss. Cant seem to get stones fast enough. Have gt and bh only, trying to sync, but cant seem to find the best method. Ive got 15 tournament tickets and am just using event currency to buy stones. Every other event has relics to buy so i can only buy stones every other event. Figured there's no point in soing a tournament due to peeps dropping tournament lvls to get tje max prize.

[@gapy18]

How did you get 6.3x game speed?

[@greeny4589]

There is a game speed perk that gives you more game speed, so I have the game speed lab maxed and Standard Perk Bonus lab max, so I end up with x6.3.

[@zky1er-404]

What is the rationale of waiting for enemies health are at 1000x of SM damage?

[@greeny4589]

Smart missile damage is low enough that it will be killing everything in spotlight for the 3x coin bonus, and it is high enough to still be able to kill at a decent speed.

[@zky1er-404]

@@greeny4589 are you extra orbs set at 70m?

[@greeny4589]

@@zky1er-404 They are at 60m, which is the lowest they can go.

[@zky1er-404]

@@greeny4589 sorry my bad, I thought you are running at 69.5m tower range

[@zky1er-404]

@@greeny4589 and why everybody using astral now?is it good?

[@iReviewThat]

what are your substats for MVN?

[@greeny4589]

Right now I got DW cooldown, GT cooldown, DW quantity, GT duration, SL angle, and still looking for GT bonus as a 6th.

[@jarredwilliams1]

I play the tower too

[@PhattyOnTheRun]

Why use IS if it reduces the amount of coins that can be earned?

[@greeny4589]

It only reduces it for the first 50 waves, where I am not making anything anyway, so its nice to get 50 waves in the run very fast.

[@PhattyOnTheRun]

@@greeny4589 I genuinely thought the coin reduction was for the entire run. I'm an idiot lol

[@ae4829]

how do you play on pc

[@greeny4589]

You need to download an emulator, a few good ones are Bluestacks, NoxPlayer, and LDPlayer (which is what I use).

[@wailinburch]

Bro idk if you will see this but I could really use some help in trying to set up a build man, my "farming" is still like in the millions man and everything seems so damn expensive.

[@greeny4589]

What ultimate weapons do you have?

[@wailinburch]

@@greeny4589 golden tower, death wave, spotlight, Chrono Field

[@wailinburch]

​@@greeny4589 I have golden tower, death wave, spotlight, and Chrono Field. I have 1.56 billion coins earned. 4 Labs unlocked. 9 card slots. And I think I've completed like 4 events and gotten the relics so far. I'm very hard stuck right now. I've unlocked up to super crit on attack, up to the wall on defense, and up to package chance on utility. I've done a fair amount of card upgrading and just barely unlocked my 4th ultimate. Not even sure where I should be investing.

[@greeny4589]

If you want the best farming you will need to unlock Black Hole and sync its cooldown with Golden Tower, also research the black hole coin bonus lab. Even though it might take a long time to get that, it will help the most in the long run. Also, unlocking enemy level skips in the utility tab is a super good unlock when you use free upgrades to max them in the run. You will gain a lot of waves from that. They help more during longer runs just because you will have them at max level for longer.

[@wailinburch]

@@greeny4589 Oof, that seems very far away for me. A super large amount of power stones, I was using free upgrades before but I also read that people said not to use it. I'm gonna respec again and add it. Like i've only ever MADE 1.5 billion, so unlocking the skips is 1 billion. That is a lot to get together. Is there any way I can optimize this until I can unlock that and black hole? Thanks man.

[@yumeichua2880]

🎉😂🎉😮😮 0:17

[@ELITEzinho]

Damn, late game is messy, i can't see what's going on

[@greeny4589]

Yeah it becomes hard to see once you have a ton of different things on at once.

[@simoneverita6379]

I can't get past level 12, what do I do?

[@greeny4589]

If you have the Pulsar Harvester module, that will help a lot of you are able to survive the first few waves.

[@Proviper666]

I just started playing this game. My max where I got is around tier2 lvl 15 or tier1 lvl 101. The fact that you need to play for 14 hours single run is crazy. Could you give me few million coins it would help me a lot :D

[@greeny4589]

If I could I would give you a trillion coins, I wish that was possible lol.

[@ronnincollins7375]

There are guides out there that can take you from new game to tier 12 in 72 hours (3 days) without spending $. $$$ shortens the time.

[@danielscott9137]

Id like to know where to find those guides ​@ronnincollins7375

[@kokinoritake3459]

Can someone tell me why the upgrades for dmg/m and at speed is left untouched?

[@greeny4589]

I don't use bullets at all because I have 100% uptime on my black hole, its mostly for letting vampires die to my wall thorns faster which matters at the end of the run.

[@DreamRaider1111]

@@greeny4589 at that point wouldnt you just get max attack speed and have no knockback?

[@greeny4589]

@DreamRaider1111 If I leave knockback chance at 0, then they wouldn't take any, but I have it maxed in the workshop, so they would still.

[@djtoxicdhg]

I finally beat tower 12 and im not 13 now lets gooooo

[@greeny4589]

Nice job!

[@maxkagukin5963]

I literally can't understand how you play it nonstop and buy stuff when anyone could just cheat engine the fuck out of this game and not get banned from tournaments and leaderboard

[@greeny4589]

People who blatantly cheat like that are banned pretty quickly. If they do it much less blatantly, they are usually banned in the end, but it takes a lot longer. I personally don't see it as much of an issue how it is now and I enjoy theorycrafting about the game, so the way cheaters are handled right now doesn't affect the games enjoyability for me.