The tragedy of the original Shredder - TMNT comics

[@TheTurtleNexus]

Thanks for watching! What are your thoughts on this Shredder?

[@lucasgibbs4050]

TTN, when do plan on doing a video on the original Baxter Stockman? (My thoughts are the OG Shredder are alright, pretty cool)

[@TheTurtleNexus]

@@lucasgibbs4050 Baxter is coming soon(ish).

[@lucasgibbs4050]

@@TheTurtleNexus Ok. BTW, how does Shark Shreddernado sound?

[@The_Nighttime_Ninja]

This Shredder was very twisted in more was than one.

[@lucasgibbs4050]

I’d like to see the story on how he became The Shredder in-universe.

[@Diggy22]

After watching this, it makes me appreciate the 1990 TMNT movie even more. It was a solid blend of the original comic and the cartoon.

[@SithCats]

That movie is and remains incredible.

[@coyotestylepro1150]

​@@SithCats💯

[@benjaminpeters6729]

Imagine if they adapted this 1 to 1

[@kstark321]

I was thinking the exact same thing.

[@captainmartin1219]

The crazy thing is the original film is still the best film after all these years.

[@The-P-iz-Free]

Gotta love that tmnt is one big cycle of vengeance..atleast the mirage run

[@pal8698]

2012 too

[@8ball180]

@@pal8698 it's more of rivalry there

[@pal8698]

@@8ball180 then both vengeance and rivalry

[@MrBlack-wt5er]

The vengeance trilogy

[@milesbradshaw6643]

And the 2003 series

[@Trim1013]

I really like the idea of Shredder’s backstory. He isn’t directly intertwined with Hamato Yoshi but still ended up hating him because of his backstory. That’s not really something you see with villains. Like he wasn’t even there but it still affected him in a way.

[@historicflame972]

Huh, it happens a lot wym

[@starnblack09]

No, he means like the shredder is not like related or directly related to each other, but this is different

[@recruitlegionarymars3119]

I wish they actually incorporate Oroku Nagi in some media, would be amazing to see a more sympathetic shredder

[@tyronleung5276]

I do as well

[@srstriker6420]

Yeah because he only appeared in the 87 TMNT series and he’s not dead

[@sonnywoods6846]

I think this shredder needs a redemtion arch since it all started because of his brother and not him

[@tyronleung5276]

@@srstriker6420 oroku nagi wasn't in the 87 cartoon he was given an original brother Kazuo Saki and in the 2003 show oroku nagi was replaced with an orphan friend to hamato yoshi who had no ties to orroku saki and is a adopted son of the ancient one an acolyte of the utrom guardians, Yukio Mashimi because oroku saki is an identity shared by chrell utrom shredder and the guardian demon shredder. nagi is only a mirage exclusive character and only appears in the 1990 comic book adaptation and tales of the tmnt as a ghost where as oroku nagi and orroku saki are combined into a single incel shredder in the 1990 film and 2012 show incarnation

[@tyronleung5276]

@@sonnywoods6846 he's getting one in the idw continuity but the mirage shredder mirage karai mirage hamato yoshi mirage tang shen mirage orroku nagi mirage tang amai and the mirage foot clan needs more development.

[@johntuel2375]

All that because a dude got killed for being a home wrecker. As a person that was introduced to the turtles via the 80s cartoon, I keep forgetting how grim the original comics were. The Last Ronin was a great run too.

[@redcoonie5114]

unless you mean a literal home wrecker, I don't think Tang Shen getting her face beat into ground beef is grounds for her to be considered cheating on Yoshi

[@Robd07]

saki woman wasnt giving it up! He was just a murderer

[@thecomedian5933]

Shen was never with Nagi. The only "home wreckers" in this situation was the Oruku's.

[@Elemento0420]

More like because an incel couldn't take no for an answer and move on.

[@cloudsombrero]

last ronin was insane

[@supersmashbro596]

ironically the first is the least evil, as his motivation, despite being about revenge, is still sympathetic. i dont think nagi was brought up again.

[@TheTurtleNexus]

Nagi was brought up again (from the Afterlife), but I will do a different video for that.

[@ElijahW2003]

​@@TheTurtleNexusLate response ik but I think they meant he was never mentioned in subsequent adaptations

[@travisowen8841]

Dude, the story of Shredder would make a great movie for an adult audience. Especially now as comic book adaptations are taken more seriously and have big budgets.

[@Collectingmythoughts]

Unfortunately they won’t do it because they’re too busy of wanting to cater to The older fans who grew up with the 87 cartoon which I really wish that they would move on from because We haven’t gotten a darker Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles film Since the 1990 movie Plus the shredder in the original film was more serious compared to the animated counterpart even a 2003 ninja turtles cartoon was dark as well I don’t understand why they still continue to want to make the turtles light hearted we need a more darker version of the shredder and the turtles back again hell we need them to be brought back to their dark roots period.

[@ArticWolfv]

they would turn the shredder into a 500 pound black woman from Miyazaki. the turtles would all become generic white dudes name bob and jim, and the hero would be the shreader without any of the awesome that was in the comics.

[@thecomedian5933]

And the studios would ruin it. They would prolly make Casey Jones gay. They would make April O'Neil a "girl boss" who would be an overweight narcissistic black lesbian who is somehow the toughest character in the whole movie. And the turtles would be weak, feeble and stupid who trip over their own feet and only win by complete accident/coincident. Thats Hollywood these days.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

​@@Collectingmythoughts eh, the 03 show could be pretty ridiculous at times.

[@fightingmedialounge519]

​@@thecomedian5933 not quite.

[@Nevict]

This old version of Shredder felt more compelling and relatable compared to the more recent ones. I liked it.

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

Why you say that what’s the difference between the shredders

[@misterboxhead3045]

​@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390is that the one from 1987 is the superior, the 2003 is edgy, the one from 2012 look like he has cancer and from rise is more of an beast

[@blacksmoke6292]

​@@misterboxhead3045I definitely think the 2012 version was superior.

[@FloatingKites2422]

​​@@misterboxhead30451987 Shredder is the worst. Unless you are stuck in the past. Like most fans of that

[@mitthrawnuruodo7517]

Sorry, but 2012 is the best Shredder, he hasn't cancer, he's is literally burnt

[@loboloco3425]

I can definitely see the elements that were adapted into 2003 TMNT in this story, it's quite interesting.

[@bragnir]

It's surprising how much 2003 adapted into it, despite how far 1988 had gone from the comics. I'd never read them, so my original thought back when I watched the 2033 run was that they'd adapted the movie.... Boy, was I wrong.

[@daleshelden8394]

2003 tmnt sucks!

[@bragnir]

@@daleshelden8394 What, do you prefer the '89 version?

[@daleshelden8394]

@@bragnir 84 to 89

[@gurvmlk]

@@bragnir Heck, I was originally turned away from the 2003 version because of how different it was, having only ever known the cartoons and movies. I had known comics existed as a kid, but considering the only comic book I ever owned was literally just an adaption of the cartoon's entire first season, I grew up assuming they were one in the same.

[@garreswe]

I get the feeling that people liked Shredder so much that they made up the worm story to please the fans. That story is pretty ridiculous tbh, they could have decided he had another twin brother, cousin or something like that to bring him back. I really like the first original Shredder, too bad he died so fast.

[@Albino_Basilisk]

Or they could’ve resurrected him through some cultish foot clan way. Like how the Hand does from marvel, which The Foot are based on

[@sgauden02]

Or they could've have just made it so the Shredder didn't actually die.

[@deebojordan7406]

The closest they ever came to re-telling the original story was the original movie.

[@iancruz6617]

Couch tmnt 2003 couch but then you probably too busy being stock in the 80's that you actualled wasted decades on a important moment of era that surprisingly you fools even made it in the 2000

[@Jaymaxair]

​@@iancruz6617The TMNT 2012 animated series takes inspiration from the story as well.

[@FloatingKites2422]

The movie is not going to be taken seriously with any Shredder story. They adapted some elements from the comic but its just too silly to have the grim feeling

[@nathanieltheoneandonly5933]

One of the Deadliest comic book villains, inspired by a cheese grater....

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

Ayooooooo🤣😭😂

[@eyeseer1]

If only Shredder hated pizza.

[@ashcan6]

I found the real turtles in 1989, when I was in 5th grade. A local bookshop had a single dog eared copy of the collected first several issues; First Graphic Novels TMNT volume 1. I had leafed through it in the store and was mesmerized. I was already a big fan, and being a 10 year old kid, I thought the extra gore was just f$&king awesome. I carried that book around and showed all the other kids, especially the ones that said that the turtles were lame. I think I converted a few kids, at least. Thanks for the video.

[@whyjnot420]

That sounds really familiar... only I was in 4th grade and the copy I got was new.

[@cjthebeesknees]

Those worth any $ nowadays?

[@colliric]

I loved the original comics, the tv show AND the live action movie. They were all great in their own ways.

[@spartanq7781]

That design is frigging badass. That has to best the best Shredder design ever. A lot of this was presented in the 1990 film making me appreciate it even further. It also makes me hate the subsequent movies since they dumbed everything down so badly.

[@misterboxhead3045]

I start to realise that the word badass is very overused

[@lightheart5]

Fun Fact: The Shredder was originally created to be the "Darth Vader" of TMNT.

[@turnthepage8980]

Literally. It's all in the mask

[@BanishedSilentShadow3318]

Yeah I could see it with the mask

[@Jackattack359]

As if the line “This is your family, I am your father” didn’t already drive that home

[@kizunadragon9]

a lot of people didn't know at the time how close to the comics the 1st movie was.

[@bryanbarron3115]

We need an adaptation of TMNT based on the Mirage Comics

[@sham00ly75]

the 2003 series is technically the most faithful to it in some plot points.

[@matthewallred2166]

I've seen rumors of a Netflix show but I don't know how true that is.

[@eskanda3434]

the original 1990 movie adapted a LOT of the comics he mentions in this

[@TheTurtleNexus]

There was a fake poster recently, but I have enough experience with AI art to tell it isn't real. A TMNT series would most likely show up at Paramount+ (and my understanding is that we are getting a show based on the new movie).

[@eclisis5080]

That's what the 1989 movie was, everything that happpened in that first comic happened in the movie, except Raphael was jumped by the foot clan instead of Leonard, they killed shredder on a rooftop in the movie, etc, it was based on the comic

[@BlueProphet7]

EXCELLENT video. I loved learning about a lot of lore I didn't have before. Question to ponder though - is it really tragic that Saki became the shredder and died? His brother was the original bad guy, and Yoshi killed him to save Nagi's victim. Saki chose to side with his brother despite the horrible thing he had done. Taking vengeance on someone who was justified in their actions isn't tragic, it's a decision to do wrong. Also, if the turtles had decided to break the cycle of vengeance (as they did when they left for a year), things only got worse. So the cycle seems to be unbreakable even if someone decides to turn their back to it.

[@TheTurtleNexus]

The way I see it, Saki was born into an environment where he actually had to avenge his brother (Yoshi's actions went against the rules of the clan).

[@pokerface4396]

It's not uncommon for relatives from the same criminal family to defend their kin no matter what kind of atrocity they committed. They also completely ignore or even blame their relatives' victims for forcing their hand/putting them in a bad light/surviving long enough to cause trouble. I mean, we have IRL relatives of mafia bosses demanding respect for their dad/grandpa and blaming the public for being judgemental or Yakuza pretending to be good guys because they look after the community (yeah, ignore the rapes, drug dens and extortion, they are just minor inconveniences).

[@Center-For-I.E.D.Mismanagement]

​@@TheTurtleNexus Saki was groomed and manipulated into becoming the Shredder because Nagi was a vile incel and the Foot clan only validated that bullshit mentality.

[@BlueProphet7]

@@TheTurtleNexus Absolutely, but then isn't the civilization or environment he was born into the real villain? The cycle of revenge that grew out of it is simply a symptom of that original belief structure.

[@TheTurtleNexus]

@@BlueProphet7 You could say that, yes.

[@Collectingmythoughts]

I really wish they would bring the turtles back to their dark roots it’s a shame how they are still continuing to make them light hearted We especially need this version of the shredder back too

[@PurpleTreeFrogSmile]

Read the IDW run dude, sounds like it would be right up your alley

[@Magnet_Chaos]

The comics have kept the dark tone.

[@MackBoxing-MMA]

I would definitely look forward to a “Dark Knight” feel to a live action movie

[@Waywardpine]

There’s gonna be Last Ronin game in the next few years

[@Zhello79]

You should look into tmnt Ronin 👍🏾

[@Darksnovia]

Your channel is the best channel when it comes to TMNT lore this version of the shredder story is fascinating.

[@warrenbradford2597]

The endless cycle of revenge must have caught up with the Turtles in the Last Ronin. Michelangelo, who was ironically the last surviving Turtle in a distant future, committed seppuku himself after failing to end a robotic Shedder’s tyranny.

[@Salik96]

Yeah but he survived and ended the cycle

[@clion520]

This was a great watch, thank you

[@nightbrand8016]

All this sorcery makes me realize how cool it'd be to have a TMNT/Hellboy crossover

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

That would be crazy

[@AlexAlex-er5ek]

This version of Shredder is so underrated. Apart from the fact that it is the version that gave birth to one of the best imaginary villains of all time, he is well structured as a character: a sympathetic backstory that however does not detract from his wickedness at all. Even its design is effective in its simplicity. It would be nice to see this story in a future TMNT adaptation, especially for the possible interactions and point-of-view confrontations Shredder would have with the Ninja Turtles. I mean, Shredder joined the Foot Clan to avenge his brother, and the Ninja Turtles are brothers who really care about each other. Such an emotional confrontation between them would be beautiful. Will you also make a video abut Mirage Shredder's possible daughter, Pimiko?

[@TheTurtleNexus]

I covered Pimiko in the "Image comics ninja turtles" video.

[@AlexAlex-er5ek]

@@TheTurtleNexus Thanks.

[@thornescapes7707]

Wow. I remember reading the comic involving Worm Shredder, but I had no idea that it kept going after that. I suppose there was interest in him because the kiddie TMNT show made such a big deal of the short lived character.

[@MasamuneChad]

This is why I love the 1990 film so much. It's accuracy to the source compared to others afterwards.

[@Dekomata]

Now i know where they got the idea of shredder not staying dead in the 2003 series. Because the original shredder refused to stay dead. Despite being human rather than an utrom that can swap bodies if he felt like it. Plus the whole being revived by worms thing originated here, which is how 2003 shredder came back as well after a supposed death.

[@TheTurtleNexus]

But in the case of Ch'rell he was using those biocytes to heal. The original Shredder was eaten by the worms (and was already dead). But it could have been an easter egg now that I think of it. As for adaptations of this story, the original idea Eastman and Laird had for the movie trilogy, was that they were going to set up the Shredder's return in the second one, and adapt "Return to NY" in the third one. That would have adapted the worm Shredder story. I covered "Return to NY" in another video.

[@Dekomata]

@@TheTurtleNexus I forgot that's how it went for ch'rell in the 2003 series. its been a while since i last saw the episodes that adapts some plotpoints of the mirage comics. And honestly, i would've prefered if that was how tmnt 2 was like. Rather than an original story that made everyone more cartoony.

[@autobotproductions1244]

@@TheTurtleNexus that actually sounds pretty cool maybe we can get that for a film trilogy some day

[@playerback7722]

True

[@user-sl6gn1ss8p]

@@autobotproductions1244 an intro + return to ny + city at war trilogy would be great

[@canofsoda]

so surprised i found this in my recommended and thankful too because this was sick

[@sieman78]

Well, you earned my respect and subscription on this one. The old school G1 TMNT gets slept on, I wish there was more modern media based off that timeline, at least we got that Last Ronin game coming to represent that more gritty style of the old days. Well done.

[@scattered_ii7389]

I had no Idea TMNT was THAT cool. I just remember the movies and animated series. That is dope AF. And your presentation of it was excellent!

[@tjbjjtkd]

I love how TMNT comics get more bizarre!

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

Yeah they are interesting

[@Gabrhil]

Huh. Even as a kid, the whole "Utrom Shredder" form the '03 series seemed kind of silly, but by comparison, it doesn't seem so bad

[@entheo302]

Kevin Eastman grew up down the street from my junior high. He actually did some of the murals in the hall. Got an autographed issue 1 reissue from my dad that he had a friend of a friend who was related got him to sign when I was a kid. Wish I hung on to that!

[@JamiesonHorton]

Shredder's original character design remains my favorite; I think it's the most sinister, and his anatomy the most realistic. Is there an action figure that closely resembles this?

[@TheTurtleNexus]

NECA did a few that were based on the original run.

[@JamiesonHorton]

I'll look 'em up. Thanks!

[@DonHec]

Maaaan why isn’t there a Rated R live adaptation of this? 🔥🔥🔥

[@tyronleung5276]

I've been saying this for years but no they wanna keep remaking the 87 fred wolf cartoon and 1990 movie

[@8ball180]

Because the story has already been told too many times

[@tyronleung5276]

@@8ball180 actually it hasn't they wanted the mutagen gimmick characters like super shredder bebop and rocksteady or tokka and rhazar krang and the technodrome or gave the turtles original boring villains like tatsu who never existed in the mirage books as shredders right hand man a Portuguese British colonial guesuit Niles and the shogun lord norinaga or the immortal max winters the aztec stone warriors with karai lead foot clan assisting them capturing 13 cryptids and the 1990 film trilogy choose bits and pieces what to adapt from the classic mirage comics like parts of the tcri saga and turtles crossover with cerebus renet and savanti romero combined with the 87 cartoon playmates toys elements to make a coherent stream line film parts of issue one parts of raphael & leonardo micro series one shot and parts of the Massachusetts retreat and return to New York saga and swapped it out with Raphael as the focal piece main protagonist and the most developed out of all the ninja turtles in the 1990 film and swapped out leo being ambushed by the foot minus shredder showing up with Raphael which got adapted in 2003 and 2012 cartoons but the turtles actually killed shredder in issue 1 and he was ressurected with cloning technology and dark magic off panel where as the films skipped those blood soaked gruesome elements and nerfed the turtles from being killers and had splinter lay the killing blow after shredder held leonardo hostage. They never did baxter stockman justice and Tyler perry didn't add anything to the role or was given enough material to work with cause people wanted the 1987 cartoon as a live action adaptation rather than the original comic book incarnation second the movies were also trying to be like the idw incarnations with rewrites from the alien twist reimagining because the turtles were hinted at being lab experiments like the idw books rather than the shared blind man crossing the street almost struck down by a truck carrying radioactive waste materials daredevil origin

[@tyronleung5276]

@@8ball180 for the most part the 1987 cartoon has been milked to death

[@tyronleung5276]

@@8ball180 the purple dragons were never in film a proper baxter stockman in live action with his mouser robots and the computer programmer engineer april they usually make her the news reporter incarnation from the 87 cartoon or age her down to be a teen orroku nagi orroku saki older brother was never used in any incarnation hammato yoshi and tang shen hasn't really been on film and the movies choose not to adapt the shared daredevil / tcri canister truck accident origin because of high budget action sequence or marvel might sue and the tmnt utrom fugitoid triceraton saga was never on film

[@jameslarsen1728]

This is what started my love for comics and graphic novels along with manga

[@bluenothing720]

Thanks so much for uploading!

[@NitroNEXT]

Impeccable presentation. If you had told me this was an official channel I'd have believed it.

[@Tue_]

The cartoon goes off a bender, but that comic quite litterally jumps the shark with how far off it goes.

[@ArcTrooper269]

Good to see some love for tge great Mirage Era

[@thebrotherhoodisdumb]

Holy crap your channel is awesome and deserves way more subs!!

[@ВладЛорріс]

This character is dark, charismatic and dangerous - i love him!

[@dr.j1416]

I love this origin story of The Shredder! Please make more videos of the TMNT villains! I love to know more origin stories on both the heroes and villains of the TMNT saga.

[@srstriker6420]

5:16 I never see Donatello doing, but then this is the original turtles where they do kill and I know he does kill his Baxter Stockman which I would want to see a video the Mirage, 2003 and 1987. It’s a weird about the four arm baboon

[@tyronleung5276]

Yeah he calls upon leonardo from different points in time to prevent him from dying

[@tyronleung5276]

Donatello was the last ronin in mirage continuity

[@tyronleung5276]

Baxter stockman wasn't killed in mirage he escaped issue 2 and reappeared in vol.2 and taken by the u.s. government his human body was dead due to him removing his own brain and placing it into a cyborg body but he's still around 1987 baxter was a fly and 2003 baxter suffered the same fate as his mirage counterpart being a brain in a cyborg body only difference baxter wasn't a foot lackey

[@randallfallin1423]

i love how the revenge cycle last all the way to last ronin, with mikey fulfilling what splinter trained them for

[@jagtaggart936]

While there were changes, I love how respectful the movie was of the source material.

[@jamesmoss3424]

The Shredder is the ultimate evil for the turtles of all time.

[@jurassicsmackdown6359]

Nah, not hardly. Kavaxas is worse

[@unholyberserker6669]

I love explaning to people that tmnt has always been violent

[@Marcara081]

The reason TMNT is popular generation after generation is because it's fundamentally about brotherhood and fatherhood, as the OG film rightly focuses on. Young boys are so starved for it that they gravitate towards any father figure and brotherhood they can find, even the gang leader Shredder and his foot clan. Shredder: "Money cannot buy the honor you have earned tonight; you make us all proud. Only effort, discipline, loyalty earn the right to wear the dragon doji. You are here because the outside world rejects you. This is your family. I am your father.'' This warned young men that the right message can come from the wrong people. So just because you find a group of like-minded people doesn't mean you form a healthy community nor a replacement for a true father. Casey Jones: ''You call this, here, and that, down there, a family?'' Casey Jones, after saving the turtles and being adopted into their family, rescues the father (Splinter). He shows the foot clan real family - not blood but love and sacrifice. It HAD to be Casey too. It's part of the film's message. He also saves Splinter with his narrative counterpart, Danny, as they both learn the right lesson in the end and Danny is redeemed. Danny also returns to his father as more of a man (''It's Dan, dad.'') and they reconcile. Danny left because his father was weak. Now Danny will help his father with his father's own weakness, showing Dan's maturity. Rather than resenting his father not meeting his expectations, Dan can help his father rise to Dan's expectations of him. They will grow together and so you have the final lesson of the movie: THIS is what it means to be a family. Honestly, this film is designed for young black men more than anyone. It should be shown in schools.

[@bigsmilie07]

This definitely makes me appreciate the utron shredder so much more frfr

[@Dominic-xp9rv]

Dude I do not remember this video being so popular. Congrats

[@TheTurtleNexus]

KZbin took it for a ride this past week!

[@anthonybalista7421]

I had no idea the origins went THIS deep and I’ve been a turtles fan since I was 3.

[@nicholascooney]

The 1990 Shredder really is the best version of this type of Shredder. No stupid worms, no Utrom alien. Just an evil martial arts master who wore a badass suit and fought the turtles.

[@CoryIsMyName]

That actually tracks surprisingly close with the first movie. I didn't expect that.

[@mer171]

There are just some things you can't unsee... TMNT!

[@Kurt_Kaptan]

Damn this is better than other versions. But more like a bizarre adventure.

[@TheSameGoobyGuy]

The shredder deserves the #1 spot in the top 10 most brutal deaths

[@antwan1357]

this went way higher then my expectations bravo.

[@bottombarrelbudgetfilms1854]

I would love an actually matured Ninja turtles movie that uses this story as a prologue

[@misterboxhead3045]

Well watch the 2003 cartoon

[@fightingmedialounge519]

​@@misterboxhead3045 eh, it changes a lot.

[@milesbradshaw6643]

The 2003 TMNT series really does take after the Mirage comics, The Shredder may be a mortal being, but his hatred is eternal.

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

Why you say that

[@iancruz6617]

@@baconeggcheesepodcast9390 you ever watch tmnt 2003 it's faithful to the comics

[@joebeach6289]

Dude what? I been a fan since the tv show in the 80s. I had no idea any of it was this dark

[@coryjkrum]

I can't believe how close the original movie was to the comic, thanks for this. Shredder was no victim of violence though his brother was a monster who got taken out for doing bad things. Then he chose to be like his brother and become a monster too. It was his choice, he could have left it as it was knowing his brother died being dishonorable but he chose revenge witch led to his own demise. Imo👍🏾

[@gunsarrus7836]

I can see how the comics greatly influenced the live action movies of the 90's

[@stevehoade7867]

As an old school fan, id love to see a dark hard R rated shedder film

[@Short-N-sweetshorts2024]

That’s it; been mulling around what my next art collage should be and I think it’s gonna be Shredder and the turtles! They were my favorite animated cartoon growing up in the 90s!

[@TheRealCanadianGeek]

That worm / shark / octopus part is beyond trippy!!

[@theexecutorz5413]

Love your videos man Keep making more

[@ArcCaravan]

I remember the 2003 TMNT show adapting the first Shredder return. That was great.

[@memelord7643]

Tbh i know that some people seem to hate the fact that this series is kid freindly now but im glad that the adult comics are still being made

[@Linklex7]

Turtle fans don’t want to admit it but Ninja Turtles works best when it’s goofy and kid friendly. I love the original comics too, but let’s not act like that where their mainstream popularity came from

[@misterbrady100]

Back in the day, I only knew TMNT from the cartoons. While they were cool enough, I didn't even want to read the comics because I thought they would not be good. I was clearly wrong.

[@iceonthesun8880]

I only ever got my hands on one issue back then....and all I remember is how cool the artwork was

[@Rockmanbalboa]

I feel that they would have done this shredder return if the 2007 TMNT movie had a sequel.

[@willygallegos1361]

Actually yes that was one plots for the sequel.

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

Why you say that

[@daleshelden8394]

The new movies were a pile of ghettofied crap!

[@kofmmbs]

The one thing that all shredders have in common is that they are all agents of anger and revenge

[@raulbetancourt5795]

When, you put it like this, Shredder comes out as a well written antagonist.

[@molybdaen11]

And that's why dark magic is forbidden.

[@Lemuel928]

Demon Shredder was also forbidden.

[@CommanderBohn]

So that one arc from the 2003 TMNT was based off the 2nd arc of the Mirage series that featured the Shredder? I need to look into the Mirage stuff.

[@FordFourD-aka-Ford4D]

11:26 "More *_tragical_* " lmao 😂

[@anthonywade8880]

Wow! Amazing video. 😊

[@playerback7722]

2003 and 2012 did that Leo beating very well.

[@lancehood7916]

Man this is a great story

[@baconeggcheesepodcast9390]

Yes it is

[@Morgil27]

I find it odd that after all these years, Shredder's brother Nagi still hasn't been adapted in any other medium.

[@srstriker6420]

7:11 this would have been cool for a 2003 episode maybe for the Fast Forward which I read that the Utrom Shredder was going appear in the cancelled season. Speaking of sharks 🦈 why not talk about Shredder pet sharks?

[@tyronleung5276]

But shredder was never human ninja yakuza gangster in the modern age he was an ancient samurai who became corrupted by demons and died and was ressurected

[@tyronleung5276]

The 2003 show went in another direction and to get away with gore blood and violence they made shredder a utrom limited the turtles from using their weapons on humans only for blocking and killing robots

[@BusinessOfFear]

@@tyronleung5276 The original Shredder was human. The resurrection thing isn't canon to the Mirage Comics. That was only in the IDW run

[@edjack1993]

I’m not going to lie - this sounded like the rankings of a madman.

[@Snapshot_the_Mad_Hatter]

So he returned as a Colony of Worms, what is he, a Hunter from the Halo Games?

[@justincaldwell3634]

"The shredder?" "Maybe all that hardware's for makin Cole slaw?"

[@ROIDEDCAPS7868]

THIS WAS A AWESOME EPISODE GREAT NARRATION GREAT MUSIC. KINDA HAS A REALLY BEAUTIFUL READING RAINBOW VIBE!

[@hdofu]

I love how Turtles Forever featured him getting taken out in a single frame... like Wolf verse Shredder got more screen time.

[@ConfusionDistortion]

Who did this colorization? I have the FIRST Publishing graphic novels, and it looks like the job they did on the comic panels, but some colors are different, like the colors used for the Foot and Shredder.

[@TheTurtleNexus]

They completely ignored all previous colorizations (including covers).

[@drewlovelyhell4892]

Wow, seems like Eastman and Laird started taking some pretty strong drugs after Shredder was killed the first time.. 😮

[@IAmWBeard]

I often forget just how kooky the tmnt comics are lol

[@thuggeegaming659]

I knew about the original Shredder dying in the first issue for a long time, it's what motivated me to finally read the comics, and honestly the first issue is the best. The subsequent issues just weren't anywhere near as interesting. In a lot of ways, the comic Shredder, despite dying in the very issue he was introduced, is the most interesting and relatable. Even though he was murderous, and subsequently engaged in criminal activities, he was still somewhat relatable. Even though his brother's death was entirely Nagi's own fault, Saki wanting to avenge his brother's murder isn't completely unjustified, and a very human desire, irrespective of a person's moral character one way or another. It's a classic story about the cycle of revenge, Saki gets his revenge, but then is ultimately done in by another who seeks it for the same exact reasons.

[@gameinguy]

I would love to see an anime like adaptation that tries to be as faithful to the original comics as they can, both in story and artstyle.

[@barrelrolldog]

the OG comics origin story is pretty epic and cool. Revenge story's all round. I had no idea shredder only lasted one issue. The worms stuff is so ridiculous it makes me feel like the other media was probably just as good as the OG comics, in that they all good and bad moments..

[@JagoShogun]

street-shark shredder is such a cool, complimenting design and I'm sad he hasn't made a return since.

[@plasticweapon]

when tragedy befalls you, don't let it drag you down - pete townshend

[@pal8698]

2012 shredder is the only animated shredder who's actually accurate to the mirage shredder like them being tragic characters and killing splinter and that 2012 oroku saki being the one instead of his brother who was jealous at splinter Was in my opinion a smart move this adds more personal drama which i really love thats why 2012 shredder will always stay the best animated shredder we had this far

[@TheTurtleNexus]

I wouldn't rule out the versions that weren't loyal to the Mirage comics. Some adaptations of the Shredder were very well handled, and the most recent one had a very satisfying ending as well. But yes, the 2012 version managed to do the "cycle of vengeance" in a way that worked well for kids animation (it was done in a way that both Saki and Yoshi were victims, so they weren't the ones that started it). That was a very well thought decision.

[@pal8698]

​@@TheTurtleNexus yep other then 2012 and the 1990 shredder i don't say that the other versions of the shredder are bad like you said there where well handled but it really gets under my skin when fans of other TMNT shows try to argue that the good parts of 2012 shredder where actually his bad parts which is a straight up lie

[@elisabettaverre8793]

2003 Shredder is the most accurate in psychological term imho. He is cruel and seeks revenge in every possibile way. We see the man behind the mask in many occasion

[@pal8698]

@@elisabettaverre8793 fuck no he isn't Mirage and 2012 shredder are both tragic human characters that share a similiar backstorys 2003 shredder is a generic saturday morning cartoon villian who has nothing better to do than to conquer the world Like how generic is that It isn't Bad tho 2003 shredder is nothing like the mirage shredder

[@tyronleung5276]

@@pal8698 actually 2003 shredder is accurate at parts they just changed shit around cause shredder was their most popular villain of the series also at the time they didn't want shredder to be a human who gets killed by the turtles brutally and then cloned and they wanted to make splinter more active than his mirage counterpart and make shredders near death and ressurection mysterious and make him scary and threatening than his less developed mirage counterpart

[@ragejinraver]

So that's where the movie got the plot from that makes it 20 million times cooler 😃

[@bigwilly43729]

Getting ahold of the first comic as a kid after watching the tv cartoon was jarring to say the least.

[@leosmit8612]

I see how the worms develop into utrons in a way. Each turtle creation evolved from this good n bad but I love this gritty version

[@Manhandle730]

Wow so this stuff actually happened?!?! That’s bananas!