The tragedy of the tradwives | How girl-boss feminism birthed a reactionary backlash

[@thepatriarchy8443]

I mean, it may seem reactionary to a leftist, but they have the right to live the way they choose. Nobody is forcing them.

[@punyashloka4946]

Yeah may be. But it shows how much ideological polarization has happen in the west. Plus left has gone crazy 🤪.

[@pennyadrian7774]

Career women have been idealized in the media, so what's wrong with idealizing homemakers, too?

[@aleykeg6322]

As people move more and more away from traditional media, the fact these people are getting millions of followers sort of knocks on the head the claim that they aren't being idealized.

[@sharoncooke1719]

As someone who gave up a senior position I loved to become a full time mother, I did not forgo any respect within the family and my marriage improved.

[@ugipse]

Seems to me that this opinion piece has largely neglected the absolute crash of female happiness in this post-4th wave feminist era…

[@inkoftheworld]

which includes the happiness of women who choose to have children and be stay at home wives/moms.

[@vulkanofnocturne]

@@inkoftheworld Good point.

[@aleykeg6322]

Post 4th? Hell post 3rd wave. If you spend most of your life watching the polarizing media we get, and a Varsity experience that tells you that you are oppressed little damsels that lives in a racist sexist society, that works solely to grind you beneath the heels of the oppressor.. you are bound to develop a persecution complex that ultimately separates us along identity lines, thus making you lonely, unhappy and angry.

[@Enoo-wynn]

Given the suicide numbers, it seems men aren't any happier.

[@alyswilliams9571]

Feminism has failed in so many ways and sneering pieces such as this one will do nothing to further its cause.

[@ewan7255]

This

[@marydaniel3252]

Having children was the best decision I ever made! So much so I had 4, they are all adults now and the joy doesn’t stop, feeling proud of them makes my heart swell!❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@alisonlevinson2638]

If the traditional role of homemaking and motherhood had been respected, none of this backlash would have happened. You don't need to be a doormat to do it 😂

[@aroyalaustralian]

Spare us the sneering. That women choose a way outside the career path Is the point. It’s their choice. My nephews wife has chosen to stay home with her newborn. A woman who worked in the mines no less. In time she will return to work, but that’s her choice. Which is the point. Like all young mums, she struggles. Her home is as neat as a pin. Her husband enjoys her cooking. They are finding their way. Like all of us did. The tragedy is that some live out their lives on social media. That we live in an age of narcissism, where many make a living showcasing fake personas. That’s the tragedy. That’s the story here. In fact I know one such woman. It’s all a lie. But she’s working from home as an influencer. She brings in baby sitters, goes off on trips alone, leaves baby with dad while she fuels her narcissism. The story here is the lure of social media in an age of narcissism.

[@Caitness1]

Babies brought up in daycare are well cared for by dedicated early childhood educators , but Mums and babies belong together, and most would choose to be at home in the early years if finances were available.

[@simmer484]

This piece has an over simplification of history. Most women in fact have been dragged along by the minority of women who were feminists and who had very specific desires. Desires to have careers, and have positions of power. Most women did not want this, and the effect on women's mental health and the family unit is staggering. A huge number of women are on anti depressants just to function day to day with a career. The piece also fails to mention the rapidly rising number of immigrant families that have a culture of controlling the women in their families. While white middle class tradwives may be an illusion, tradwives version 0.1 is alive and kicking in immigrant families, with no sign of an upgrade coming anytime soon.

[@ugipse]

@@simmer484 completely true, a small group of feminists and corpos lead the charge. Women were never given the democratic right to vote on it

[@malicant123]

Sounds about right. Women are consensus driven, and always will be.

[@aleykeg6322]

There are no solutions. Only trade offs. Some women want to work and they have a lot to offer in that space. That women's mental health is plummeting shouldn't be surprising at all as that's what work does to you. Look at the increase in suicide rates amongst men. More is being demanded of us in our work places. Fiscal policies in our government take more and more money from our pockets through outrageous spending and printing money, and our basket of goods shrink by the year. If you see this.. this'll depress you. Man or woman. Men are fine with this trade off in order to be providers, women should be and are allowed to make this choice too.

[@Adammunton]

Yes, staying at home and prioritising your family over being a miserable wage slave seems to be worthy of condescending dismissal.

[@pennyadrian7774]

I'm reading Shari Franke's autobiography right now (she's the daughter of Ruby Franke from 8 Passengers, who is now serving decades in prison for child abuse). I support traditional gender roles, but I do not support children being paraded around like show ponies online, nor do I believe the phony baloney images shared on the "trad wife" platforms. Be a stay at home mom if you want, but make sure your name is on your housing deed and that you have a backup plan if your husband dumps you.

[@CamKeg66]

So because Lauren Southern had a bad time the whole philosophy of being part of a loving family and supporting each other in more traditional roles is just shit. Good argument.

[@stephentobin2087]

Bringing up a child is the most important thing anyone could do. I find it a disgrace how self-serving feminists have so denigrated women for devoting their lives to such a noble pursuit.

[@angelafloodgate4437]

As if feminist men aren’t ever narcissistic or abusive. Also it’s not as much the choise for the traditional role model as the exhibitionistic and narcissistic characteristics that tend to draw someone toward influencer-ship that cause the drama and unhappiness in many lives.

[@kryp879]

I'm a guy and I think it's my duty to provide for my family and wife - am I a "trad-husband", or is that just what's expected of me? Why shouldn't society expect something of women? Honestly I think it's perfectly reasonable for a women to take pride in looking after her man and home, that's just as honourable as a man taking pride in providing for his family. That said, people can do what they like and perhaps there is some theater in the online "trad-wife" persona which should be called out, but either way I'd much rather men and women influencers promoting family values than the degeneracy and hedonism I see on TV, film and everywhere else.

[@glowmentor]

2:24 and when a man goes out to provide for his family - isn’t he putting his wife and children first?

[@EthanKnight97]

This lady is just jealous.

[@whostheradical]

Having the mother stay home to feed and parent the children while the father goes to work is very efficient and practical. Simple as that.

[@punyashloka4946]

I do agree radical feminism has gone crazy 🤪 and promoted wrong things like promiscuity , hating motherhood and smearing at men , etc. So this reaction was normal to happen. But yeah this over idealised version of trad wife is also not true , unfortunately.

[@SA-vz7qi]

The argument is a strawman though. Southern's "trad wife" lable was post hock applied after she blew up her marriage and had to have a narative.

[@punyashloka4946]

@@SA-vz7qi No I don't agree this over idealised narrative of trad wife is just not true. Not every marriage is successful or good either. It just not happen in real life. The alt right just want to sell another kind of fantasy . Real life is complex and filled with harsh reality of life .

[@YegRon]

While I find the “trad wife influencer” content ridiculous, I’m confused as to what the goal of this video expose is. Clearly many women are dissatisfied and disillusioned with the lies that feminism has sold them. If then, women choose a more traditional life, who are you to criticize that? To use a few examples of when things went bad doesn’t invalidate the decision of the many women who are choosing traditional roles. You seem to then say just what I did at the end of the video which brings me back to my original point, what is the point of this?

[@Cartamandua]

It's great being a trad wife if you have the money. My Mother was the last generation of trad wives in my family. All of them were poor and desperate at times.

[@hemibrown2882]

Such a negative piece, sneering at other woman's choices seems really snotty. Good on any woman who chooses to prioritise family over money.

[@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf]

They can do what they want mate. Better than being on crack or woke

[@mctea2033]

Hmmm, it wasn't feminism that put me off marriage, it was witnessing the unhappiness of married women around me, giving so much for so little in return. Also, hearing the complaints of my male colleagues about their stay at home wives was rather sobering 🤔

[@elizaj4431]

Tragedy? Seriously? I dont see it. If a woman is by choice finding fulfillment in being a wife, mother, homemaker that's actually awesome. I can honestly say family is the most rewarding thing I've experienced. Most people's 'careers' are also full of stressors, irritating people, and become chores over time as well and for the majority, hardly anyone is going to care or remember what you did a year after you retire. Sure if women really want a career they should go for it. But raising a loving family can be one of the most meaningful things someone will do or experience. My own dream life would be living on a farm with my supportive mate taking care of our children and animals. I can't think of any career that would make me more fulfilled myself. This piece seems to be saying no women really wants this and invalidates women making this choice. Wrong. Maybe the criticism is really woman making a career of influencing or being content creators for certain lifestyles. You've got the Only Fans and women having sex with a 1,000 guys in a day on one side and women staying home in traditional marriages on the other. All choices women should be free to make and they're all using social media to profit from this but the latter looks far more wholesome, appealing and healthy to me.

[@jennygw5494]

What a vile hit piece . If the family can afford the woman to be a trad wife then great for them and if they can eat money from it - great. As a woman who has always worked whilst bringing up children- I have a lot of respect for trad wives.

[@aleykeg6322]

Judging from the reaction in the comments, it's clear people forgot that Spiked was originally a Socially Libertarian magazine that in fact stood firmly on the side of women's rights without going FullMcIntosh. People have gotten so giddy at their take downs of the far left they forgot Spiked roots. This ain't Daily Wire, *snaps fingers* pay attention. Me personally, I found Trad Wives (more power to them if that's what they want) cringe as f@ck when that ish blew up. And the Trad Wives I know (I'm South African) are living boring, controlled, extremely regimented, routine, lonely, ZERO risk, unexploritory, mundane lives I could only compare to that of 3 year olds. This video merely points out the dangers, such as they are, of this lifestyle. That's literally it. It is not Fantastic thinking at all. Great job Lauren.

[@adam872]

I don't think any of this is a problem if people freely choose their path. My wife and I sat down and discussed all of this before we had kids. Prior to that she had a career, but we worked out that my job would have greater long term prospects for advancement than hers. She really wanted kids (I wasn't that keen but agreed to it in the end) and said she'd rather be a stay at home mum, as opposed to having someone else raising them. We also looked at the financial aspects of her going back to work and then needing day care and the sums didn't add up. There would have been a lot of additional juggling and stress for not a lot of monetary reward (day care costs would have sucked up most of her take home pay). In the end she said bugger it, she'd stay home and look after the household and I'd earn the money. We both entered into that "bargain" willingly and have had no cause to regret it. My wife has been able to do some part time work over the years but says the fulfilment of a career would have been nothing compared to the satisfaction of parenting. If that's being a trad wife and suffering the derision of feminists, so be it. She says she wouldn't have done it any differently.

[@draugrdraugr]

It's a rejection of the forced education/employment route that most Western women take and are increasingly finding frustrating and unsatisfying. I don't think it's remotely tragic to want a better life without the crushing expectations of modern feminism. Your judgement is unfair and the 2nd half of the video just engages in ad hominem's of people in bad relationships. There's no statistical information on trad wives, so cherry picking negative cases is bad faith straw-maning

[@ilselauwers6009]

The “ journalist “. Well so called “ journalist” who wrote the hit piece about Ballerina farm issued an apology a few weeks after the article was published…….

[@Reb4star]

I saw this too. I was surprised she casually referenced that Times article in this piece because she would have known that too

[@markkavanagh7377]

Well, did anyone ever see Julie Bindel smile?

[@glowmentor]

Presenter seems a tad bitter/confused? And yet, this is normal behaviour for women. Sorry!

[@aaronbeat1136]

It's almost like going to one extreme or another leads to unhappiness... almost

[@kimeccleston5586]

There is no utopia, we are all just trying to get by.

[@lillab6338]

Fact is...sexual revolution and hookup culture only benefits men, not women. While agree that being a stay at home mum for good without any higher education can end up bad if we consider the divorce stats nowadays, but seriously....career simply can't be the main goal in life....that is just so empty and shallow....meaningless ....

[@kermitthefrog2311]

Ask most Gen Xers whose Moms and Dads both worked through our upbringing how it went for us. That’s why we are called the latchkey generation. We somewhat raised ourselves. And don’t get me wrong, I don’t have anything against stay at home dads. I just think especially in the early years, there should be one present parent home, mom or dad. In families that value breastfeeding, this typically ends up being mom.

[@manofculture584]

"Shackles" Lol

[@anonimuso]

@5:09 Why are you comparing radical gender ideology to tradwives? The idea of tradwives doesn't pose any kind of threat to women's rights. It's sad that this is how far western society has fallen, that even the mere suggestion that a woman could be happy outside of the workplace and fulfilling the completely normal and crucial role of a mother and wife is a "threat to women's rights".

[@honberg193]

Is this a right wing channel or has it gone progressive 🤔 ☹

[@MARTINSTERN]

Uh why is it a tragedy? 🤔🤔🤔

[@AH_TT_BZ_21_24]

Is it wrong of me that from the time I saw this presenter's face I knew she was going to do a hit piece? Why do "they" all look the same.

[@lkae4]

Where was the tragedy again?

[@Vintageshabbychi]

Homemakers, wives, mothers, all synonymous with the term hero to me. Real life heros ❤

[@unclem7816]

You seem rather jealous

[@johngilmore6688]

Note they are all Americans!!

[@abatesnz]

Lauren is Canadian.

[@metoonunyabidness1391]

This is giving off “hello fellow truth seekers” vibes None of this passes the sniff test Laurens marriage was anything but trad and the further we stray from tradition the less happy and the less successful we become. I might have been persuadable if you gave any real credence to their position.

[@goa9034]

Is this spiked? No different than MSNBC

[@chasm]

Extreme in any direction not good. AI will soon fix this.

[@EthanKnight97]

You serious?

[@nj-ns4sb]

This video and the opinion of the presenter misses the mark completely. I'm not sure why Spiked (and Triggernometry, for that matter) feel it's necessary to relentlessly portray themselves as "centrists".

[@Yawnymcsnore]

So a journalist with an agenda is jealous

[@andrewmckay2118]

Well maybe just leave these girls alone to get on with their lives and families.

[@Yawnymcsnore]

Strange it seems like a great idea