The TRAGIC DEATH of The Amazing Spider-Man Movies - (Retrospective)

[@Arachn3rd]

If you can make good movies for people then you have a moral obligation to do those things. That's what's at stake here. Not choice - responsibility.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#LordMiller4TASM

[@thomasleongeorgerobertglad7560]

Uncle Ben

[@LeonardoKlotz]

I wanted Marc Webb to have a second chance But what I didn't want was to see him working with Disney on their live-action remake of Snow White

[@Gemnist98]

I swear I’ve seen this comment before… At any rate, I think Webb seems to be content doing comedy-dramas and leaning more into the 500 Days of Summer sensibilities; from what I understand, his next film after TASM2, Gifted starring Chris Evans, is actually pretty good.

[@mistersp3753]

I wouldn't mind seeing the cut Feige saw, just to see how much of a train wreck it could have been. There's a reason early drafts rarely see the light of day, but it would be intriguing to see from a critical standpoint.

[@kabsageigj8941]

Imagine the movie we could've gotten if they changed/improved on all those points he listed.

[@RiderNexus]

I did a recut of the film that follows as much of Feige's suggestions as I could alongside adding the deleted scenes Feige may have been onto something

[@andresacosta4832]

It's sad how these films died, being someone who was actually invested on where the series would go after the second.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#IBlameAviArad

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

​@@Zombiesnyder13 dont forget Amy pascal

[@commanderspyder5432]

Ikr? So much potential, it sucks that they rebooted with Spidey back in high school all over again, when I think Fiege could have easily salvaged what worked with the first two installments.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

If Marc Webb doesn't return for TASM3, then Sony should let PHIL LORD and CHRIS MILLER in charge If they let them produce the movie as well, they could save it from AVI ARAD, just like they did with SPIDER-VERSE

[@AG_Speaks]

mark webb didnt deserve this man

[@yourfatboy5359]

@@AG_Speaks are you trying to say that marc webb doesn't deserve to work on Spider-Man or are you trying to say that marc webb didn't deserve what happened to him?

[@brewmaster2912]

@@yourfatboy5359 I think he meant Marc Webb didn’t deserve to be treated like that

[@mistersp3753]

I think it would be hilarious to see Black Suit Spider-Man dealing drugs just for funsies. Sounds like a great dark comedy.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

VENOM had the writer from 50 SHADES OF GREY MORBIUS had the writers from GODS OF EGYPT And now KRAVEN THE HUNTER has the writers from TRANSFORMERS: THE LAST KNIGHT Sony's cinematic universe is doomed to fail And all because of AVI ARAD

[@Multi-fandomEldingArum]

Which writer did Venom have, though? Was it the writer who wrote the script for the 50 Shades movie or the author of the book that movie is based off? If it was the author of the books than no wonder, but if it was the writer who wrote the script for its movie, well… then that’s not as bad because they were writing a script for an adaptation of a book that was awful to begin with so… Can’t say much for the other two, tho.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

@@Multi-fandomEldingArum the movie writer She wrote Let There Be Carnage all by herself And now she's making her directorial debut with Venom 3 Try to picture that

[@Multi-fandomEldingArum]

@@Zombiesnyder13 oh boy

[@daseal1479]

Interesting how the MCU Spidey movies actually did go that angle of Spider-Man facing already established villains, and just getting caught up in their plans. Especially Mysterio, but smartly still tied them to Peter in some way.

[@mg682]

Only in the sense of him getting in the way lol. (Mysterio)

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

They're tied to tony Peter has next to no connection to them. Vultture saw him as a pest and mysterio is a psycho

[@moviehermit5631]

13:29 The 121/122 bit with the clock is a nod to the comic issue that Gwen died in

[@nerdyoutube7847]

This is actually like a look into the weirdest alternate timeline. Toby vs andrew? We got that for five seconds I guess. Carnage Gwen? Actually insanity

[@Jacobflamecaster]

A spider men movie with Toby and Andrew crossing over would’ve been interesting to see

[@ChannelPup]

Boy do I have something awesome to tell you all about.

[@jedimasteroptimusprime4375]

@@ChannelPup intriguing

[@thomasleongeorgerobertglad7560]

​@@jedimasteroptimusprime4375 tell me sir, have you per chance heard of a little known movie called Spider-Man No Way Home

[@mistersp3753]

Wikileaks? That a villainous gerbil in South Parks from several years ago? If I remember, he was killed by Lemiwinks, who was set up to be some kind of fantasy hero. I liked the original Lemuwinks episode way better. It was just a retelling of the old animated Hobbit movie, but that's what made it so good.

[@TheSpeedMason]

Godamn I wasn't expecting that extremely loud shoutout at the end of this video, absolutely peak.

[@barney7822]

Avi Arad ruined so far... Daredevil (2003) The Punisher (2004) Elektra (2005) Man-Thing (2005) Fantastic Four (2005) X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) Ghost Rider (2007) Spider-Man 3 (2007) Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer (2007) Bratz (2007) Ghost Rider: Spirit of Vengeance (2011) The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014) Ghost in the Shell (2017) Venom: Let There Be Carnage (2021) Uncharted (2022) Morbius (2022) And there are more movies to be released, made by him: Kraven the Hunter Borderlands Naruto Metal Gear Solid One Punch Man

[@mistersp3753]

If that On-Punch movie doesn't include the opening song from the anime, it automatically counts as a failure ONE PUUUUUUUUUUNCH!!!

[@Gemnist98]

I’m pretty sure the Naruto movie is dead, we haven’t heard a peep out of it since 2017 and Masashi Kishimoto is too focused working on Boruto to really work on it at all.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

If Sony decides to greenlit SPIDER-MAN 4 or even TASM3 outside the MCU They'll have to get rid of AVI ARAD Or it will be just another failure

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

They have to give the director full control of the movie

[@Zombiesnyder13]

​@@theoutsiderjess1869no, they need to hire the right people for the job, instead of cheap writers and a director for hire like they did with Venom and Morbius This can only be possible without Arad's involvement, or with better producers like Phil Lord and Chris Miller

[@MK-sw7do]

4:15 This made me remember MCU spidey uploading videos of himself on KZbin, maybe this ideia come from here.

[@Gemnist98]

He wasn’t uploading those, a bunch of random New Yorkers were filming him and making him a sensation. Although, in the Zombies What-If episode, Spidey does have a Zombie Apocalypse video blog.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

I heard Andrew pulled out because he was sick and that was the most realistic thing to me than any other rumors at the time

[@RayMcElroy50]

Is because of Avi Arad that Sony's cinematic universe is gonna fail Doesn't matter if they make Kraven and Venom 3 R-Rated As long he's in charge, there's no hope

[@haydentcem]

All of these ideas fail the “And then Deadpool walks in” test

[@Gemnist98]

13:33 This is a reference to the comics. Gwen’s death happens in Amazing Spider-Man #121, with Green Goblin’s death happening in the next issue. If you go back to Gwen’s death in the movie, you’ll notice that after Gwen hits the ground and the giant clock on the tower settles into place, the time reads 1:21 to reference the specific comic.

[@ChannelPup]

Ohhh that's fun!

[@brewmaster2912]

@@ChannelPup do you plan on making a part 3 to your MCU Spider-Man pitch?

[@mistersp3753]

1:21? Why was everyone up so late?

[@Zombiesnyder13]

AVI ARAD is gonna ruin BORDERLANDS and KRAVEN THE HUNTER The same way he ruined TASM2, UNCHARTED and MORBIUS

[@Galimeer5]

It's amazing how close we were to the TASM3 timeline. Such a shame that the studio executives fucked it all up

[@noahharris6724]

What's most annoying about all this just how much the Sony executives don't get it. You can't just make a Sinister Six and Venom movie. They're Spider-Man villains. They need to be introduced fighting against Spider-Man before they get solo movies. That's what fans actually want to see.

[@owenlemar8170]

i agree about the sinister six, but honestly both venom films so far have been bangers so 🤷‍♂️

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#IBlameAviArad

[@commanderspyder5432]

Venom is popular enough and has enough solo stories to work on his own, which the Tom Hardy movies proved (although they'd be better with a Spider-Man connection), but I don't know why Sony thought any other solo movie would work without introducing them in a Spider-Man movie first.

[@jackcollin1811]

Ur content has gotten a lot better in the last year or so, it’s cool to see ur skills improving so much over time👍.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

AVI ARAD wasn't essential for the Spider-Man movies LAURA ZISKIN was the reason why the original trilogy and TASM1 were memorable It was because of her and her husband (the screenwriter Alvin Sargent) that the movies had depth Arad on the other hand, just wanted to use the movies to sell toys After she died in 2011, there was no one to stop Arad from destroying the franchise Spiderman was nothing without her

[@dericjames2018]

Spider-Man Into The Spider-Verse and Spider-Man No Way Home had depth and are better films.

[@yourfatboy5359]

@@dericjames2018 spiderman nwh is dog water, remove the 17 layers of nostalgia and you'll get a incoherent mediocre film.

[@terrellthaddies7867]

​​@@yourfatboy5359 wrong. Love it or hate it, NWH was a good Spider-Man movie cuz of the main story regardless of your bias

[@yourfatboy5359]

@@terrellthaddies7867 nah it wasn't.

[@jalenjohnson1662]

@@yourfatboy5359 Completely agree. I think NWH is one of the worst Spider-Man films made thus far.

[@carlosasepulveda8270]

it really sucks how sony literally did everything in their power to undo the good will left after nwh

[@PerfectTroy1]

It’s amazing how far Marvel and Sony want to go out of their way to ignore the better source material.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

I actually wouldn't hate a animated Tasm movie with Andrew Garfield voice acting it would be amazing

[@sleepy9102]

Lmao love the intro dance is so charming.

[@nerdyoutube7847]

The mf who thought that everything had to be the same as the “original trilogy”

[@Zombiesnyder13]

Sony should let PHIL LORD and CHRIS MILLER in charge of their cinematic universe They can save it from AVI ARAD

[@carlosrobertosilvajunior4890]

They were thinking about doing an Aunt May spin-off based on Trouble? The absolute worst comic ever made????? WTF, now I'll have to thank the heavens for the Disney-Sony deal...

[@GamingintheAM0801]

I just want a Spectacular Spider-Man season 3, because every version of Spidey since has been objectively inferior.

[@dragonkinggaming1995]

Are you going to do videos like Beyond The Rami Verse but for The Web Verse instead, because if you go through the tie in games there's alot of characters that appear there.

[@ChannelPup]

It's in the plans. Gotta wrap up beyond the Raimi-Verse first. It's a shame Tom Holland gets no tie-in games.

[@dragonkinggaming1995]

@@ChannelPup Awesome and yea bummer that he got no tie in games, can't wait to see more Spider-Man videos, love your channel, I've been watching since Gotham.

[@mangekyotashi]

I am so happy that everything went the way it did hearing this, everything really does work out in the end 😭

[@veb5426]

Spider-Man getting his feelings hurt by the sinister six 😭💀

[@mangekyotashi]

@@veb5426 exactly, that would’ve been ridiculous lol

[@wesstewart2677]

I actually really loved the first Amazing Spider-Man and was hyped for the sequel. That was the biggest let down for me in any theater ever. I really had high hopes for this franchise

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#IBlameAviArad

[@wesstewart2677]

@@Zombiesnyder13 pascal is to blame too. As well as the two writers of Amazing Spider-Man 2.

[@The_Infamous_Boogyman]

Garfield not showing up to an event should have barely had an effect,if any at all. That was nuts. But i really love Tom in the role and his arc in the mcu has been great. But the drugs and the sex didnt even meed to be brought up, thats a brand new form of ridiculous 😅. I did enjoy tasm1 though, i absolutely loved that suit

[@SnazzyGold]

Fun fact, I'm actually writing my own fan fiction of TASM3. No, it's not as crazy as like cloning stuff. Just Sinister Six and MJ.

[@ChannelPup]

Feel free to send me it!

[@SnazzyGold]

@@ChannelPup Of course!

[@SnazzyGold]

@@ChannelPup Got done sending you the draft, also read the things I included in the mail.

[@zetamagnus101]

Sony's brainstorming is nothing more than a clusterfuck.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#IBlameAviArad

[@mc.gemstone]

I love hearing about stuff like this of what could of been but at the same time I'm glad none of this happen and it was all meant to be in any of this not happening. Expect for the animated stuff that one thing I wish could of happen of SSM making a return in some form. And expect for the things that actually did happen, it makes me wonder of what could of been if everything went down that path so who knows really.

[@Artist_Unbound]

I wish we can live in a world where Sony never had the rights to Spiderman. Where Marvel never had to sell their film rights in general. We can have the Avengers, the X-Men, Fantastic Four, the Inhumans and Spider-Man in one universe.

[@Gemnist98]

Personally, I think it’s okay. Selling all those film rights allowed Feige and co. to work within their restrictions, and it paid off massively, turning numerous B-Level characters at most into some of the biggest icons in pop culture history. But now Marvel should get everything back.

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

No disney would also just ruin spiderman it's because sony is involved the mcu hasn't released complete crap for spiderman whether you like or dislike these movies

[@Artist_Unbound]

@@Gemnist98, yeah, I can understand why they had to sell the rights in the first place. Kevin Feige is one human being. And honestly, Disney buying Marvel was a good thing. Now everything is on the table. Even Feige said that.

[@dericjames2018]

​@ComiczAnimationz18 Antman 3 and Love and Thunder were terrible and MCU is falling apart.

[@Artist_Unbound]

@@dericjames2018, yeah I'm kinda done with the MCU too. That's why I said "The MCU we always wanted."

[@dn22pkkdd476]

5:45 The start of that Alan Fine email to Tom Cohen sounds just like every older, jaded fan complaining about the newer iteration of a character in media. I've even read the same talking points word for word online when someone complains about something they've never watched effecting something they used to watch. Fans are more simmilar to these tone def execs than they'd like to believe. Especially the fan who says "this story ruins everything".🙄

[@LucasHopkins2006]

Really sucks that this all happened to Andrew, I do think the MCU was better off with Spidey coming in at some point but I still think this could’ve been a cool universe if they’d been smart about it, I just think overall Spider-Man is one of the very few superheroes that can hold his own cinematic universe (the other one, surprise, surprise, being Batman), though I do think I would’ve liked the MCU more with Andrew’s Peter (not hating on Tom, he’s great and so is Tobey, I’m just a bit more of an Andrew fan), either way if it eventually (hopefully) came to it, I would’ve freaking loved to see Andrew’s Peter interact with Spider-Man 2099, if it would’ve been anything like Edge of Time then it would’ve been awesome

[@Jnensrevenge]

I read somewhere that Spider-Gwen came form one of the sequel-spinoff pitches...

[@marko-gj1uj]

The first image of emails about Millenials shows how trying to be hip to be square can be garbage

[@michaelmccutchen4619]

Good to know we’re not in ABSOLUTE worst timeline

[@stareater1870]

If only Oscorp Tower was designed in time to be included in The Avengers like they wanted. Had that happened, feel like it could've solidified Andrew's spot in the MCU as Spider-Man.

[@MarioBrosFan1000]

Chris o Dowd was gonna be Sandman!!!!! If he were to take that role that would be two marvel movies he’s been in

[@Facade953]

I would have loved to see Emma Stone as the live action adaptation of Ultimate Carnage!😀

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

This guy while not understanding a reboot nails most of the problem with tasm 2 that I had

[@dajunkolmfaoooooo]

hey pup!! what music did you use in this video? I would be grateful to know

[@AG_Speaks]

Watching this just makes me depressed man, poor mark webb. He just wanted to make heart felt Spider-Man movies and executives only wanted to compete with the competition. Maybe one day he'll get that third movie, only in a perfect world.

[@yourfatboy5359]

Yeah, you can feel that tasm2 was something marc webb didn't want to create :( i feel bad for both marc and raimi for what happened to their spider-man films.

[@AG_Speaks]

@@yourfatboy5359 disagree on the first part actually, tasm 2 felt exactly like something marc loved creating. The bright new tone, the fast pased action, the dynamics between harry, gwen, and peter, etc etc.

[@yourfatboy5359]

@@AG_Speaks the romance, comedy and soul were on point...everything else felt like he was forced to add in.

[@AG_Speaks]

@@yourfatboy5359 I remember reading somewhere in an article that marc webb took full responsibility to how tasm 2 turned out, and said that he wasn't pushed around by execs or anything and said that Tasm 2 was HIS film. Thats what helped me appreciate tasm 2 more.

[@yourfatboy5359]

@@AG_Speaks andrew Garfield said that he cried while reading the original script for tasm2.

[@ishaanbhattacharya9405]

Who's the worsf studio among these? Sony for Spider-Man Previous Wb for dc Or Disney for star wars?

[@theoutsiderjess1869]

All 3 tbh

[@Artist_Unbound]

All of the equally. But if I had a choice, WB for DC.

[@ishaanbhattacharya9405]

@@Artist_Unbound let's see how DCU under James Gunn turna out to be

[@Artist_Unbound]

@@ishaanbhattacharya9405, yeah, Idc about DC anymore. So I could care less. No offense.

[@marko-gj1uj]

Seeing reason why Spider-Man ditched symbiote suit was cringe. I am okay it didn't make him aggressive, but come on!

[@austinneveau9387]

hot take but i think tasm and the raimi trilogy were better spiderman movies than the mcu spiderman stuff. tom Holland is good casting i have no issues with him at all. i have major issues with how they handled the character in that universe. just isnt the spiderman i grew up loving.

[@johanstenfelt1206]

Huh, how very interesting, how things can go.

[@Tuatha_De_Gaming]

That email was so fuckin cringe lmaoooo

[@adzinco6916]

tasm got cancelled? did it say a slur or something?

[@chaserseven2886]

No he graped everyone's mum

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#IBlameAviArad

[@TheDrexLord]

At least the movie ideas for this makes scenes, at least more than Morbus. Black cat and silver Sable would both make scense to have be anti heros like they do with their villian movies, would make most scense.

[@Gilbot9000]

So happy Amazing Spider-Man ended where it did this shit is so weird. Thanks for the reporting. You did your usual good work. But man you wanna talk about being cursed with knowledge...

[@jordanlongley3776]

Pup been on his SHIT!

[@ChibiSteak]

34:02 fin.

[@TGOSE-v7y]

It's Not Canceled, Not Today

[@zooooooooom]

I can hear it fine

[@MetalheadSean666]

Gotta love the note "Spider-man isn't gay unless Marvel Studios makes him gay" what a pointless note 😂😂

[@TheDrexLord]

At least this universe would have spidey, something the one that happened doesnt

[@Arachn3rd]

I can hear it fine btw

[@HirstMovies]

It died post 2012

[@doctor8262]

Where is the sound

[@HirstMovies]

Turn your vol up?

[@ChannelPup]

Should work now.

[@yotamiharari]

The amazing spider man 2 is better then anything spider man in the mcu

[@Hazard-xv7vn]

Can I just say WTF?!!! I was just casually listening not watching. What was going through their heads? Am I in the twilight zone? Lmfao What were the Sony higher-ups on? Seriously what were they thinking? Seriously someone tell me this is a prank or troll? Where are the memes and tiktoks or whatever is popular these days? I half expect someone from Twitter saying hahaha gotcha!!! Rofl Lol.

[@miguelsilva3300]

both tasm movies were atrocious especially tasm2 im glad sony stopped but sadly they are just shitting on all spiderman villans now what a joke sony is for live action

[@yellowpencil5233]

🕷️🕷️🕷️🕸️

[@BunchyPanther42]

So, can Spider-Man be gay if he wore the black suit?

[@Magicghost23]

👍👍👍

[@markmagician2471]

0:22 for me that title belongs to Spider Man Far from Home since story is pretty much an Iron Man story. Too many cringy jokes and Mysterio was just lame

[@terrellthaddies7867]

To each their own on that about being an Iron Man story and Mysterio being "lame"

[@houstonmunoz9862]

The amazong spiderman spinoffs sounded so bad lol and make no sense besides spiderman 2099 but not in the past but set in the future of 2099

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#LordMiller4TASM

[@ChainsawChungus]

#MyballsforTASM

[@MassHystarix]

#HisballsforTASM

[@yourfatboy5359]

#thatguysballsforTASM

[@Yatezylad]

And so our definitely not gay possibly a drug dealer spider man. What a sentence

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#AviAradOut

[@ChainsawChungus]

#MyBallsOut

[@MassHystarix]

#HisBallsOut

[@CharlieMonkeh]

You should’ve call it “The Sudden Death Of The Amazing Spider-Man films” just asking tho.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

#IBlameAviArad

[@ChainsawChungus]

#IBlameMyBalls

[@MassHystarix]

#IBlameHisBalls

[@dylanrea6728]

The amazing Spider-Man : Fast X

[@sandklin]

The amazing spider man : sonic 4

[@yourfatboy5359]

I personally believe that the films could've been great if sony didn't intervene, what happened to tasm1 and tasm2 is exactly what happened to spider-man 3. Poor marc webb, he gets blamed for everything that went wrong with the films.