The Trans Fugget About It Episode

[@SmokeyEdits]

okay but real talk "what surgery? i went into a cocoon" is a quality joke and i will 100% be using it post-op

[@TheRoseLoveless]

post-op: nahhhh post-cocoon: yeee

[@smellykelley2616]

Hell yeah

[@SmokeyEdits]

@@TheRoseLoveless SHIT YOU RIGHT LMAO

[@aminishnamedvaati]

how dare this show reveal the fact we dont actually get surgery, instead we transform in cocoons

[@PharaohOfTheDamned]

I actually barked out a laugh

[@FuggetAboutIt]

Thanks for the thumbs up Lily! The wiki is atrocious, we will need to work on that!

[@superdndanielchristensen4022]

FuggetAboutIt FuggetAboutIt

[@OrbyStormy420]

OH NO WAY FUGGET ABOUT IT REPLIED??? Thank you for the care in regards to the wiki, this show is cheesy but surprisingly nostalgic to me

[@Someone-sq8im]

Holy fuck

[@prageruwu69]

oh my god

[@asherixDG]

BRO THIS IS AN UNDERRATED COMMENT

[@Robyn_007]

We all know the I in LGBTQIA+ stands for Italian, so that means it must have nailed its representation.

[@stinky-smelly]

🇮🇹 pride lmao

[@nicodoe6181]

sorry but this is so offensively wrong?? the i doesnt stand for anything; the ia stands for italian american, nobody cares about actual italians. be serious

[@snapbeau]

im intersex and this joke makes me quite uncomfortable because of how under represented we are

[@SADIE_Maybe_SADISTIC]

😂😂

[@Medusa_The-Bard]

​@@snapbeauI'm sorry you feel like that I think they are just making a joke and not trying to invalidate you at all luv but how you feel is completely valid and I do agree how under represented intersex people are. Hope you have a good day

[@lordknightalex]

personally i like that her voice is in that lower and hoarse(?) register and people only find out she's trans once she states it outright, i think it's a nice scenario to imagine, that a trans person's unaltered voice doesn't immediately lead to clocking or shame, another point for on the "showing a trans life beyond the suffering" situation

[@facelessdrone]

Honestly, it just makes sense since she's a heavy smoker

[@dracocrusher]

I feel honestly kind-of torn on it now. Because as someone going through voice training, it really doesn't seem THAT hard and I can't shake the thought that this is just an adult animated sitcom thing of "Well they're a guy, so they should sound like a gravely dude". So it would have been nice if they went with a female voice. But also, the fact that nobody really questions it is pretty good...... It's something I feel mixed on at this point. Because it doesn't feel great, but I don't think it's handled BADLY, and it does kind-of lean into the comedy more, I guess. But hearing it also just kind-of hits weird. Thinking about it, it might have worked better if they started with a girl voice and then once they came out they swapped back and they're just like "Oh thank god, it's so hard keeping that voice up all day!" Might just be me, but considering I've got a trans friend that totally would just do that as a joke, I feel like that'd be a pretty good bit. Like they still get to feel like they 'pass' but they also get the goofy grizzled smoker's voice, too.

[@lordknightalex]

@@dracocrusher yeah having mixed feelings makes sense. i do doubt they intentionally decided on it as a conscious pro-trans choice, but seeing as nothing in the episode itself seems to actively bring up her voice as a source of comedy, it feels like a good death of the author situation to me i wish you the best in your voice training, but as tends to be the case with transition, its a personal choice. so if a voice actor choice lead to a trans woman character being happy and confident with her unaltered voice i think thats quite poggers and i do love the comedy of switching voices (i follow a few tiktokers who have impressive vocal ranges even outside of the humor aspect), but thats something that could end up coming across as a "she's putting effort into 'fooling' others" in the context of a sitcom of that time and likely without an actually trans VA to be making the joke y'know?

[@dracocrusher]

@@lordknightalex Hmm... true... It's hard to say for sure. It'd depend on how they actually do it, I think. It feels like it's always tricky whenever a trans character has non-passing traits because of course you don't want to fall into the 'hairy dude in a dress' area, but there's also people who would still relate to that. And non-passing representation does feel like it's kind-of important too, just something that needs to be done very carefully. I guess a good metric would be that, if nothing else, a non-passing character should probably at least feel like they're trying, I guess? And that might be part of why this feels so odd, because while I don't know what it's like for other people, my voice training is going extremely well and pretty easily. Like I'm flying through it way faster than I'd actually expect. So, as weird as that experience has been, it probably is coloring my perspective, I guess.

[@newgirlde]

Not everyone finds voice training easy and for some people their voice doesn't create dysphoria. I felt some kind of way about it too at first, but it was never brought up as some kind of joke. I think if they had gone with a "that voice is so hard to keep up all day" joke it would have fed into the transphobic thought of "that's not their real voice" or that trans people are just acting. That would be turning her voice into a joke which while funny as an inside joke would have been 'haha trans people aren't real" funny to people not in the community.

[@EliTheGleason]

"Yeah I used tah be a man, deal wid it!" Trans-Italian solidarity

[@umbralryu]

I'm a transgender woman with biological kids from *the before time* and am perfectly fine being called dad and celebrating Father's Day with my kids. My also transgender girlfriend is called Dad but considers herself a mother. I can understand and relate to this episode, and considering how crass the show could be as a whole, thought this was pretty positive and wholesome representation.

[@literaterose6731]

Lol, I’m an nb/trans masc person and my kids still call me Mom and my grandkids call me Nana (with my total approval)! Those relationships and designations don’t necessarily have anything to do with one’s gender identity as far as I’m concerned. I love the wonderful variety of trans experience!

[@polocatfan]

I mean you were literally a father, why wouldn't you celebrate father's day?

[@playernotfound9489]

your a mom or mom-ster

[@riddlerthediddler4392]

Will you ever use the cocoon joke?

[@S0m3B0z0OnTheInternet]

@@riddlerthediddler4392 Yeah, pls tell us that you used the cocoon joke, it’s perfect

[@msteresa653]

"you merely broke a blood oath you swore on your life to uphold. She turned into a lady - they hate that!" is kind of great cultural commentary tho. Like the obsessive "debate" over trans ppl's right to exist taking priority over the 1001 more dire issues facing the world rn 🙄

[@godricktheminecrafted3113]

Plus the delivery is pretty good

[@Simone-sb5bx]

Funfact: Falcone the surname in italy is most commonly associated with Giovanni Falcone which was a judge who was killed by the mafia for opposing them in the 90s

[@dinosaysrawr]

And it's apparently (according to Google) the 4,770th most common surname in America. Also, for those who were curious, it is indeed pronounced Fal-cone.

[@B4dr4bbit]

That's a neat fact

[@cocololo7038]

get this ping my dude

[@nastyboar2977]

Was going to comment something similar, along with speculation that both batman and this were referencing him. And the anecdote that according to a random website theres only about 5,000 people in the US bearing that last name (edit- didn't read all the replies, yall beat me to it on almost all fronts lol)

[@Timmymantwo]

In my opinion the reason for Jimmy misgendering his father, Sally, is due to him reliving his trauma of losing his father. It's shown throughout the show that Jimmy is very family orientated and cares deeply about them all. It makes sense that this reveal would hurt him and cause him to lash out a bit. It is not good that he does misgender her, it makes sense in that scene why he does. Not perfect trans representation, though a far sight better than any other show at that time.

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

​@JayTheBluewoman

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

Agreed. It doesn't seem an issue of rep as much as its characterisation

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

@JayTheBlue because shes his dad. She provided the sperm and raised him as a father until she had to leave

[@penpointexpress]

@JayTheBluethe character herself refers to herself as dad. This is a fictional story. Even if you find it problematic, the commenters calling her dad are not wrong for this specific character.

[@maggiedk]

​@JayTheBluewhether or not a trans person decides to go by "mom" or "dad" (or another alternative) after transitioning is a personal choice and isn't the same for everyone. Sometimes when a trans woman raised her kid as "dad," she still feels attached to that label, regardless of gender. Caitlyn Jenner is one example of this.

[@ליזהנורט]

Lily dearest, i clicked because I'd listen to you talk about the trans rep in the grocery list.

[@tamarbeker1701]

Literally 🤣

[@aliahwelch4064]

Honestly same, Lily’s voice is so soothing to me

[@delmattia96]

Egg (?)

[@1th_to_comment.]

​@@delmattia96 the egg doesn't know it yet, but they're trans.

[@frances9975]

So true

[@LadyOfSnow]

Y'know I'd just like to point out how rad it is that Sally is presented as a conventionally attractive older woman and not some malicious stereotype of a trans woman. I was bracing myself for the worst, but the way they handled the character is...actually not terrible!

[@crispychicken11037]

I like that her voice was deeper. Trans people are still valid even if they don't get surgery or train their voice to sound like their preffered gender. And cis woman can also have deep voices. But they still could have hired a trans person to voice her.

[@prageruwu69]

it was about a decade ago, so i don't think there were tons of trans voice actors avalible for the role

[@Ilikeeatingnailsuwu]

If the VA does a good job then they did a good job

[@WarriorZ676]

Am..am I the only one who finds Sally hot? She's cool, she's trans, she has a gun, has a cool voice, what's not to love?

[@bormby_jones]

Awooga!

[@bormby_jones]

@@MartinMartin-bh4ke 😂😂😂

[@argyle5906]

She is pretty awesome.

[@kerricaine]

this episode is basically "quagmire's dad" done right. the plot and structure are very similar, but the changing of people's reactions and framing of everything makes it way, way, wayyyy better! also, i used to watch this show a lot when it was on. the mountie guy absolutely roasts how fucked up all our government and systems are and while i'd have to dig for it, i'm certain i remember some digs about how shitily we treat native folks here. the humour did really hit the nail on the head for me as a canadian lol.

[@unticinesetrans]

As an Italian I am concerned but open to be surprised Edit: wow, honestly for being from the years in which bullying trans folk on the internet was common practice, this is a pretty solid episode

[@bingusbongus9807]

"from the years in which bullying trans folk on the internet was common practice" you say that like we arent still in those years

[@unticinesetrans]

@@bingusbongus9807 fair 😭😭

[@JarielCorvus]

Took me a while to parse out the username! Hope the heat is not that terrible up in the mountains

[@nono.8808]

Vero??? Era molto meglio di quanto temessi

[@zoura3113]

i actually think the misgendering from Jimmy during his emotional moment is pretty realistic. my dad is still trying to process my identity (6 years going lol) and when he gets upset, he starts deadnaming me. its just something people do even though its bad

[@Naomi-jw4bk]

I’m sorry to hear that

[@pinkpupbutt9299]

Im sorry your father continues to deadname you, even in high strung, emotional moments no one has the right to use that against you. I don’t want to assume anything about your relationship but I hope your father continues to try and be better. It can take time to make the change, but my father has since started finding joy in my chosen name after having similar issues with swtiching names(5 years now). I hope your transition brings you both closer, because being yourself with the people you care about is the best thing in the world. Remember the community loves you, supports you and we'll always be here for you. ❤️

[@Kakmanmartinez666]

I'm honestly happy that the family, especially Cookie are accepting of Sally instead of collectively shitting on her decision and joking about it like they did with Ida on family guy. She's not a joke character just because she's trans. It's not her only personality.

[@Orkinetxegar]

I can't belive that this show (That I only know about becouse lists of obscure cartoons) had a better trans episode than many more famous/better shows.

[@renatocorvaro6924]

Honestly, that might be a *why* it had a better trans episode. More famous shows would have stricter production oversight, which leads to writers not being able to do stuff if it doesn't "sell".

[@hypexans5308]

I suggest you give fugget about it a shot (maybe you already did). yeah it has its share of stereotypical jokes; hell the whole show its based on the ''italian'' new yorker but the plot is good (unlike family guy) and it teaches valuable lessons without getting up its own ass triyng to send a message (unlike south park) P.S i love south park but i can understad how some people don't want to hear the raw uncensored horrors of our society.

[@hexonyou]

i had no info on this show so I honestly went into this expecting the worst and was really surprised. On one hand- I'm a trans masc NB who still goes by "Mom" to my kiddo, and I kind of appreciated taking a moment to discuss that (given trans people are *shocking* not a monolith) trans people will have different terms that they are comfortable with person by person. But it was great seeing a trans character and story arc that wasn't solely devoted to trans trauma or to their transgender identity being the divisive issue. I think focusing on the abandonment and ways that manifests as an adult parent trying to over-compensate was a lot better. It's crazy when you think that while this show still had a lot of the 2013 era ignorance, the overall tone and way this story was told is far more progressive than (unfortunately) a lot of what we see around us currently. Surprisingly great job, Fugget About It.

[@literaterose6731]

I got to your second sentence and had a full on moment of cognitive dissonance wondering “wait, I didn’t comment on this yet, I barely started watching it!” (I’m a weirdo that reads comments before I even start the video 🥴) Because… I’m an nb and trans masc person whose kids (all grown) call me Mom (or Ma, Mama or whatever they’re inclined towards that day, lol) and grandkids call me Nana! Though I’ve been out as queer since my 20s, I only came out about my gender identity a couple of years ago (I’m in my early 60s). I’ve changed my name to a more typically masculine one, and I’ve always been more masc presenting, and I started T a few months ago. But I decided when I came out that I had no issue with my kids and grandkids continuing to use the terms for me they always had (if they wanted to, that is), since I felt those reflected the role I had in their lives, not a gender identity. It’s incredibly cool to see I’m not the only one! Anyway, yes, absolutely, it’s so important to clarify that trans and nonbinary people aren’t monoliths and there’s as many ways to express that spectrum as there are folks in it. Cheers!

[@communistskeletonpiss]

how did the family guy ripoff end up being more progressive than the original

[@jamesruth100]

@@communistskeletonpiss When the bar is so low that it's embedded into the earth's core, it's not hard to simply walk on the ground.

[@Hauntaku]

Fugget About It is basically South Park but better

[@Futurebound_jpg]

4:40 as an italian woman i can confirm that stereotype is true lmfao we are allll hairy asf, our men are ever hairier.

[@dinosaysrawr]

Old joke: Where do you take an Italian girl on your first date? Electrolysis!

[@tatertotbobaandpieck]

@dinosaysrawr cringe bro

[@THEDIVINEMISCARRIAGE]

as an italian my legs agree

[@nemo_is_real]

as a polish person, there is a reason why we call your country "Włochy" XD

[@JanetStarChild]

I'm Iberian and we have the same damn problem.

[@ItsAstridEh]

Teresa isn't supposed to be a bimbo, she's a guidette!

[@Pablo_Martin_aa]

Which means?

[@BaddeGrasse]

​@@Pablo_Martin_aa​ guido and guidette are stereotypes of usually young italians or more often young italian americans, who embrace youth and party culture and could be compared to our understanding of a "lad/ladette" or "eshay" or sort of a version of a chad or bimbo with a bit more italian culture and also usually stereotyped to be more "aggressive" than a bimbo

[@alize0623]

@@Pablo_Martin_aaaverage New Jersian

[@aSipOfHemlocktea]

​@@Pablo_Martin_aaliterally think Jersey Shore

[@LovelyTekki]

It's interesting to me that Fugget About It is commonly compared to Family Guy, and one of the similarities between these 2 shows is that they both have an episode that deal with the scenario of a character's parent transitioning. But unlike family guy, it seems like they handled the situation with a lot more respect.

[@pronounsinmybio]

Im trans-masc, non-binary, but I still consider myself my kiddo's "Mom". Not for gender reasons, but cause I did the job, I earned that title, lmao.

[@TwinSteel]

Surprisingly progressive for the type of show and when it was made - if your assumption is correct, it’s possible the defense for the same actor voicing both Falcones is that a parent would likely share vocal characteristics with their child, especially if they both went thru the same puberty - of course, that probably wasn’t why they chose to do so - it was probably cheaper, but neither argument totally excuses the choice to exclude trans actors from one of the few roles they are uniquely qualified to fill - what are your thoughts on the character not feminizing their voice in any way - thank you for covering this topic

[@LikeFourOrFiveOtherNames]

from my experience it’s characters like Rachel Bighead that helped alleviate a lot of voice dysphoria i had.

[@msteresa653]

Yah I think there should have been some effort toward feminization. We're supposed to laugh at the incongruity right? Or it's meant to be a continual reminder of the character's past? They could have found a middle ground with her voice that communicated the duality of the character, as well as respected her personhood, but took the lazy route instead

[@Nortarachanges]

⁠@@msteresa653, Just because some people could see it as funny doesn’t mean it’s a joke. Not everyone wants to or even can get the voice that “matches” their gender. I’m still barely a second soprano despite trying to deepen my voice for years

[@DUWANGlai_kangyi]

​​​@@msteresa653uh, not necessarily. It is not treated as a joke by the show, y'know? And trans people don't have to do voice training to please anyone. A woman's voice is a woman's voice by virtue of belonging to a woman, so it shouldn't be a big deal to hear one with such a voice if it's not even treated as a punchline by the narrative. The fact that some people are gonna laugh at it is just a byproduct of normalized transphobia. Not the show's fault.

[@Fusselleinchen]

As one of the 5 people that know and watched Fugget About It (Only because it's still running on Comedy Central Germany though), it makes me happy that it actually got a good verdict!

[@el_mismisimo_sr.x]

I freakin love Fugget About It

[@Back_in_town_tonight]

I love fugget about it though the only way I can watch it on KZbin

[@aceofspades8474]

I’ve been seeing clips of this show on KZbin shorts, including clips from this episode, and assumed it was a newer show, or at least that it was still airing. I was shocked to learn it’s as old as it is, especially knowing it covered transness in a way that seemed relatively tasteful from the clips I saw, and pleasantly surprised by how the rest of the episode continued to handle it in a mostly respectful way. I like how the conflict centers around Jimmy’s resentment for being abandoned instead of having any actual issue with his parent being trans, but it’s being trans that left Sally which no other choice but to leave. Her flashbacks show that even though she tried, she was completely unable to continue to repress her feelings, and that was putting her in increasing levels of danger. If she didn’t flee the mob when she did, she likely would have ended up dead or at the very least highly shamed and seen as a stain on her family legacy, it wouldn’t have done any good for anyone. It’s easy to sympathize with Jimmy who was abandoned, and it even makes sense that he might feel anger in seeing his parent living a happier and freer life without him, but Sally had to do what she did for her own sake as well as her families. The fact that she makes the effort to reach out and reunite with Jimmy when she sees him again shows that she really does care and wants a connection with her son now that she finally has the ability to do so. It’s a shockingly deep and complex storyline both in general and about transness and how transphobia can cause a lot of harm to everyone involved, a surprise to see from a show of this style. Sorry for the essay of a comment, but if anyone took the time to read it all then I hope it was worth your time.

[@renatocorvaro6924]

Absolutely worth reading, top-tier comment.

[@aceofspades8474]

⁠​⁠@@renatocorvaro6924 Thanks for listening to my neurodivergent ramblings. I’m glad you enjoyed it.

[@danielabustos2844]

Came her for the trans representation review (like every video), but specially stayed because of how Lily keeps pronouncing "Fugget about it" 👌🏼

[@Maker0824]

13:13 That joke was actually really funny. “You merely broke a blood oath that you swore on your life to uphold. She turned into a lady. They hate that.” You can tell by the length of the first one that they are clearly saying that to any rational person the first one is way worse and that being trans is an extremely minor thing. Yet for some she’s the one who they dislike more.

[@scottyb8392]

Would love to see you discuss the trans episode of “Bones”; although it features the murder of a trans woman, it has similar themes of a conservative man leaving his family to live honestly as a trans woman and the way his family reacts to discovering this only after she’s been killed. I watched this episode in high school but I haven’t gone back to it in a while but it would be cool to see someone talk about it. (It also debunks the “well when they find your skeleton they’ll call you a man” argument because when they find this trans woman’s skeleton they immediately identify her as trans because of her breast implants, it was really that simple)

[@Sylviaon]

Honestly so what if some archaeologist clocks my skeleton in a thousand years, I will not know about it!!! I simply refuse to live my life shackled to the perceptions of people whose existence i will never overlap with

[@scottyb8392]

@@Sylviaon true! It’s jus the first thing I think about when someone makes that argument because I watched that episode before I ever had to consider someone digging up my bones lol

[@MaddysinLeigh]

There was a trans episode of CSI Las Vegas where a trans woman was killed when she found out a doctor had killed a woman during a back alley bottom surgery. The murder victim was engaged and her fiancé had no idea she was trans.

[@aSipOfHemlocktea]

​@@scottyb8392good luck to them identifying my gender through my bones. I have xxy Mosaic chromosomes with some of my chromosomes being XX and some being XXY, I've always looked like a woman and my boobs are all natural, never used hormones or surgery, I just shave and use a little bit of makeup

[@scottyb8392]

@@aSipOfHemlocktea 🤣 I mean, dna can be extracted from bones and especially teeth sometimes but if it pleases you more to remain a headache to further archaeologists, I’m with you lol 😆

[@burntnorris]

"My hesitation is increasing... and my anxiety is going up." reminds me a lot of "My disappointment is immeasurable... and my day is ruined."

[@LikeFourOrFiveOtherNames]

Personally I think the show had a really interesting premise, the humor is hit or miss like most adult cartoons but it had a lot of potential.

[@Sauullllllllll]

It's like different from other shows even though it isn't good it's still fun

[@amatsu9951]

I completly watched season 1 and liked the show. It may be similar to family guy, but the show has its own identity

[@arktype586]

Lily: "i'm gonna talk about trans representation in cereal mascots" Me: "clics inmediately without even thinking about it"

[@Freshieroleplays]

TOMY YHE TIGER AND YHAT BEE ARE TRANS

[@MeonLights]

So are you saying we should... Fugget about it?

[@bookshelfhoney]

All cereal mascots are trans that's right, every single one of them.

[@tuwuesday]

​@@Freshieroleplays absolutely hilarious that the brand kellogg was started by a guy who hated "sexual deviancy" and now the company is pro queer people

[@Freshieroleplays]

@@tuwuesday I still giggle when I see that one old French advert where Tony the tiger's shorts fall off

[@josueayala1249]

If you take recommendations, I'll say that The Venture Brothers has an... Interesting relationship with transness. Because the series started out so long ago, but also has a sense of growth and continuity, you can really see how the writers' approach to these characters changed over time. Dr. Girlfriend sticks out in this regard (even though she isn't actually trans)

[@Dark_LoreVT]

They touched on the " bathroom debate " when Dr Girlfriend answers " Yes. I belong here. I just have a deep voice " when asked by Triana's friend Kim . " Can I ask you a question?"

[@transmascswag]

Seconding this. I'd love to hear Lily talk about both Dr Girlfriend (who isn't really trans but the coding and commentary is very often There™) and Hunter Gathers (which is kind of a complicated mess).

[@Dark_LoreVT]

Hunter is definitely messy. Though after de-transitioning he does seem to regret it.

[@James.99]

Hunter just casually getting bottom and top surgery all at once in a cave to (poorly) hide his identity

[@ashejohnson816]

i think its pretty valid that jimmy would drop the pronouns when hes having an emotional breakdown, especially when prior jimmy already showed he was put in some amount of effort to get it right. My dad is as supportive as he can be but does slip up a lot on the pronouns from time to time. The fact that jimmy doesn't even have an issue with the transition itself is so awesome! I really like how this show handles this.

[@Snakeofwrath]

It's crazy that a generally not so great family guy clone can have far better trans rep than family guy itself. Also Sally herself is a very endearing character and I loved her cocoon joke.

[@nicodoe6181]

i really thought "fugget" was going to be a very bad pun combining "forget" with uhhh... another word. wattpad mafia fanfiction writers wouldve been salivating over that hypothetical show

[@bookshelfhoney]

It's just spelling forget with a new Yawk accent, eyyyy I'm walkin' 'ere!

[@ronaldreaganhater69]

The cocoon joke segment is really cute actually. That made me giggle

[@guy84838]

the phrase lady boy was a gender awakening for me, albeit one of many lol. i'm a non-binary trans man who calls himself that often but i'll say it less as to not bother anyone with a potentially hurtful term.

[@danielperez143]

Funny enough, this show had better trans rep than all of the adult cartoons combined. Even outdid bob's burgers on that subject.

[@andriypredmyrskyy7791]

The reconciliation-by-mexican-standoff is actually a pretty funny way of talking about a complex issue and the complex decisions it causes

[@simopen]

I have never, ever heard about Fugget About it, and have clicked on this video out of the pure sense of curiosity and bafflement about this piece of media that might have passed me by

[@cradica]

I think that I might have heard of it but only through people on KZbin talking about it

[@riddlerthediddler4392]

The show's creators are still active and seem to like feedback on their episodes, which is nice with their community still being as alive as ever since they started making shorts of their clips. Also the wiki isn't official

[@renatocorvaro6924]

Fugget About It is a show I have always felt really fondly towards, largely because I am a Canadian with Italian heritage, so it just sort of hit both my parent cultures with in exactly the right way to make me giggle. I never saw this episode (I only ever saw a handful of episodes across its run), so I am glad that it did trans representation okay. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on it. :)

[@Back_in_town_tonight]

If you ever wanna watch it, they have a KZbin account

[@renatocorvaro6924]

@@Back_in_town_tonight Dope. Thanks.

[@QuikVidGuy]

Im trans, but i can think of an offensive joke that, in context, wouldve made sense "You needed to be a father to me!" "I couldnt, im a woman!"

[@devonogaz7531]

Kinda surprised Canadian mafia Family Guy actually had better trans rep than actual Family Guy.

[@Lav-ht6dy]

3:18 As an Italian, "Falcone" is the surname of an important man who fought the mafia in Sicily, and all of Italy actually. Maybe it is a reference to him.

[@Amelia-mq6hm]

Hey italian here, sicilian in particular and trans too, the name Falcone is a reference to a famous Italian judge and magistrate "Giovanni Falcone", he was one of the most important figures in the fight against the mafia, for this he was assassinated, blown up with his guards in his car. His death got discussed in the US senate too, law n308 or something like that, he is remembered, alongside Paolo Borsellino, also later assasinated, as one of the "fathers" of the fight against the mafia

[@AndyyBee]

Grandpama is great. I currently go by Pama to my baby so it's nice to hear it in a TV show from 10 years ago. They might have meant it to be silly, but I think it's sweet.

[@1unartic]

“After Rick and Morty everything copied that style” Aggretsuko is an anime and it's Sanrio’s style though? They've made Hello Kitty episodes that look like that longer before Rick and Morty existed.

[@SelkieGirl]

9:40 "It's just repetition. Your using the rhythms of comedy with no punchline" -Alasdair Beckett-King

[@susiek4593]

Calling my home town rural when it's one of the biggest cities in the province just knocked me over 💀

[@aceoflights.]

13:46 I'm transmasc, but i still like to call myself and be called my brothers older sister. Its more a vibes thing for me than a gender thing in that instance.

[@TheSapphireLeo]

Can relate to this, too? Need the softness, too?

[@christinaishere9018]

I’ve never heard of Fugget About It, that the show’s name was ‘Fugget’ for a second, and thought it was supposed to be read as, “The Trans: Fugget episode about it.”

[@RaisonLychi]

The older daughter is Teresa and the gremlin mobster spawn is Gina. It was actually the brothers name I couldn't recall myself. 😅

[@Michaela_ZC]

Was not expecting this good of representation from a show who’s premise seems to be “don’t Italian-Americans sound funny”

[@enter_eagle]

i'm not sure if you've already done this one, but Adult Swim show, Superjail, has a trans woman in the main protagonist trio. Alice, at first glace, seems like a highly offensive portrayal, but I watched like 10 scattered episodes before the show started to make me sick, and I have to say I kinda love her?

[@BallonAnimal]

Adding onto this! I was just thinking about Alice recently. The show had an episode where the inmates try to make her insecure about acting too masculine and at the end of the episode she learns she doesn’t have to force herself to act a certain way to be a woman. For all the distasteful trans details about her that felt weirdly progressive. I also love her in a way. From what I remember she’s more or less a voice of reason, at least compared to the other main characters, and often saves the day

[@enter_eagle]

@@BallonAnimal You probably know this, but for the sake of anyone reading these: so Alice doesn't bother with tucking, but still wears a skirt anyway. And like, it makes me think that she is at a point in her life where its like, whatever. So theres an episode where an Akria/The Blob type creature starts assimilating body parts, and it grabs Alice by the crotch, and she yells defiantly, "Go ahead and take it! You'd be doing me a favor!" so its like a little nuanced in that, like you said, she does go through internal conflict with presenting as a woman, and definitely has her own way of expressing that. I also love how in that episode you mentioned, we get to see Alice from child to adult at 4 or so points in her life transitioning. also, shout out to her sex pest boss who does sexually harass her, but she sees him as such a weak little nothing man, she truly doesn't seem to notice or care. There's an episode where the Warden jumps into a fight ring Alice is running and takes the opportunity to lick her hands (sex pest) and she puts him in a full body cast. So like, she gets to serve the comeuppance on that. idk anyway point being this loud and gross show has a fairly nuanced trans main character.

[@BallonAnimal]

@@enter_eagle hell yeah, I don't remember all of the details so thank you for elaborating! :) I also remember that the rival r63 jail for women had its own Alice analog, a trans man instead. While he didn't get much screentime compared to the r63 analogs of the other main characters, unfortunately, it's so rare to see transmasculine people in media at all, even if they're just being there, not doing anything. I can think of some examples in *queer* shows/books/games but in an edgy adult cartoon? I guess I'll give them that

[@enter_eagle]

@@BallonAnimal oh yeah, also, i liked how the r63 jail depicted femme people as being rowdy and rude? That, along side Alice, makes it feel like the writers are making a statement about how women are allowed to weild violence. Theres also room to analyze prison systems and power dynamics in that Alice gets to do violence as Law, and the r63 jails women's violence is Unlawful. but i was thinking about it and i think my feelings can best be summed up as: Alice, as a character, has many flaws. As an icon, she could be critiqued as inappropriate. but ultimately, she is a main character who gets to be in like every episode i watched. she isn't a joke character, but there is room for making jokes involving many aspects of herself ranging from her job, her violence, her sex life, or her transness. she truly is just a character who is trans who gets major screen time and that feels good.

[@unoriginalquote8132]

I also thought it was neat that the main character of the show was really attracted to Alice. Obviously trans people's value isn't related to people being attracted to them, nobody's value should be based on that, but I feel like the joke wasn't that The Warden was attracted to a trans woman, it's that Alice was so obviously not into him and he was still delusional, thinking that he was hot stuff and he could still romance her.

[@francescov.m.k]

I think the name of the protagonist comes from Giovanni Falcone. He was an Italian judge who spent most of his life trying to stop and incarcerate the Sicilian Mafia and also fought against corruption in the government. The Mafia placed a bomb under his car and detonated it, killing him. In Italy, he is seen as a hero and one of the few who had the courage to go against the mafia at the cost of his life. My school is named after him. I think that the show's protagonist, Jimmy Falcone, is a parody of that name since it has the same surname, and Jimmy sounds similar to Giovanni in Italian. I think it's kind of disrespectful to give an American mafioso the parody name of an anti-mafia hero (if what i think its true), but it's a comedy show, so not all that outrageous.

[@TahtahmesDiary]

Maybe it’s to highlight him turning on the mob for family, but yeah I think it’s disrespectful too.

[@kingaspendude]

I used to be obsessed with this show, and I actually loved Sally. Also I think Jimmy’s misgendering is less about his anger but more at him referring to Sally before she transitioned. Also I like how Jimmy hid in the trunk of Sallys car because it’s a reference to his first time out on a hit where he hid so he could help his parent with the job. Like Jimmy and Sally have a great bond, yeah there’s a little trauma from Sally leaving, and after he’s very focused on his kids (specifically Gena and Theresa), but the idea that Sally and Jimmy reconciling and Jimmy learning to step back a little but not as much as Sally did. He’s close with his kids but doesn’t obsess over them and their safety, knowing Theresa and Petey are old enough and… gena is gena she can start a prison riot at 6 so she can definitely fend for herself

[@ismolatham4393]

"I went into a cocoon" Giving real Delenn from Babylon 5 vibes to me over here! BTW I'd love to see your thoughts on the way people treat Delenn after she 'transitions' to being human. It really really seemed like a transgender allegory to me, like... I guess you'd call them cis specie humans?... The cis specie humans really looked down on Delenn for a while and kept making out she wasn't really human... even tho she was! Idk, it just always seemed trans to me

[@Pensive_Scarlet]

I just wanted to point out that I think maybe the creepy robot thing was trying to illustrate how messed up it is that people feel pressured to create a completely false persona just to appeal to demanding and judgmental people.

[@20000dino]

1:31 Lily, with all due respect, Aggretsuko, Castlevania, and Love Death Robots (the latter being an anthology series with a myriad of different art styles) not only look NOTHING like Rick and Morty, they’re also tonally and categorically drastically different shows. Furthermore, Disenchantment also clearly has the same art style as The Simpsons and Futurama, not Rick and Morty. I assume you just googled “Netflix adult animated shows” and picked a random image - which is a bit silly, because there are dozens of examples of shows out there which were actually clearly inspired by Rick and Morty and it would only take 5 minutes to compile an image of them lol.

[@june3900]

as a trans woman, i found this to be a rather great representation even with the misgendering (showing how even if people are supportive they still use pronouns as a way to express anger against a trans person). one or two jokes didn't hit with me, but i found it to be refreshing seeing a genuinely supportive take on trans people

[@SussusAmogus-t4r]

Falcone is the surname of an italian magistrate who died fighting the italian mafia. He is regarded with respect by basically anyone here.

[@marysue3927]

I personally liked how this episode handled it. It was really a breath of fresh air. The characters seemed to be reacting as *just* characters. Not every character spoke perfectly about the topic, and that was okay. Not everyone is perfect, it happens, and there were even attempts to make corrections. It didn't feel like they were speaking on behalf of the creator's views (which usually turn out to be discriminatory) For me, it gets so tiring when the writers or creators seem to inject their views into every single character in the show while usually trying to pass it off as joke after joke after. I want to watch a fun show. I don't want to listen to someone's animated twitter page. It felt like a regular episode. There were a typical amount of jokes, it didn't seem like they decided to go overboard just because of "Ooh, transgender!". Cheech was being weird as he usually does. It seemed to be pretty normal

[@weirdo001]

It's nice to see how representation changes over time and how it doesn't have to be super recent to do it right. Unrelated, but I love your hair!

[@CreoTan]

TEN YEARS AGO???? I deadass thought this show came out during quarantine bc I kept seeing tons of KZbin shorts about it like last year. 2012-2016 dang ahdjfkfkg

[@moresnqp]

shouldve transed the main character dad permanently we need trans Mafiosos

[@th1rt3n_tn49]

"i support trans rights, but also trans wrongs" /ref

[@aquariTerrible]

I don't remember this show bit THE ART STYLE. I swear I remember the art style but for the life of me can't place it. Huge appreciation too for Lily addressing problems in Canada. We have MANY issues and things that are constantly brushed under the rug so I really love the mentioning of it. Heck I live here and only learned about some of these issues in the last few years because of lack of acknowledgement. Another grand video!! I might have to watch a few eps if this to see if I had seen it way back when......

[@tonieartemis]

Did you ever see Atomic Betty? Edit: or Total Drama Island? They are all Flash animation shows

[@aquariTerrible]

@tonieartemis yes! I remember both of those! I think I only watched a few eps of Atomic Betty but I remember commercials for both. Maybe those are why this art/animation style felt familiar thnx for the reminder!! :)

[@fenrirsrage4609]

The Venture Bros and this episode, solidified my love for deep voiced women.

[@SET-SSNN]

The Venture Bros is fantastic

[@gegnabean]

I remember seeing a random clip from this episode about a year ago, and it honestly stunned me that the representation was so well done. It stunned me even more when I realized how old the show was. It's a strange place to find good representation, but none the less it made me really happy to see.

[@nullvoid4520]

"Fugget About It!" is definitely one of the adult animated sitcoms of all time. But it's certainly built up a cult following, and people know about it, so I'll give it that much.

[@HaiCopper]

From the beginning the premise sounds exactly like the 2012 show 'Lilyhammer' except it's a comedy cartoon instead of a serious drama

[@maikamaikamaikamaika]

I was also thinking about Lilyhammer! I don't think I ever finished it but I remember really enjoying the premise

[@jonathanstern5537]

There was a third option. Sally could have discussed it with her family, and they could have blown up their house and moved away, making it seem like they all died in the explosion, and used the insurance money (paid to another relative who would be in on it) plus any money saved from the mafia days to start a new life as a family. Sally gets to transition, not die, and she doesn't abandon her family.

[@godslaughter]

The "punchline is lacking the punch...and the line" part caught me off guard at a really bad time after drinking Fanta and it almost came back up. God damn it, excellent. You know the joke is good if it lands like that

[@TheFovak]

I remember liking this show at the time because it was unexpectedly kind for how crass it was. wasn't my favorite but was definitely entertaining enough. I'm feeling pretty validated in my tastes right now

[@mr.anthonygonzales]

I wasn't expecting better trans representation from Fugget about it than most media

[@eliburry-schnepp6012]

I was waiting this whole video for the other shoe to drop and it just didn't. I'm legitimately shocked and impressed at how well this was handled for a show of its time. Not perfect, but pretty damn good!

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

It might be interesting to cover the Pet Foxes visual novel by Weird420XL. I think it might actually be one of the only visual novels where a character 'transitions' gradually throughout, dressing more feminine and acting more feminine. But, as they change you get to see his/her (his at the start, her at the end) sister change. It's actually a pretty clever metaphor. The main character transitioning isn't a big deal until her sister makes it a big deal, and the sister inadvertently transforms into a literal monster while thinking that she's helping her by being the best ally possible.

[@The_Faceless_No_Name_Stranger]

According to my shorts recommendations, they don’t want me to forget about Foggetaboutit.

[@annie9204]

bragging about how progressive canada is while also not actually really being progressive is a very canadian thing to do tbh

[@LarryOfCamalot]

Glad to see someone who knows enough about Canada to actually take it to account a bit.

[@moodybagels6564]

I used to watch that show when it was still airing. As a kid coming to terms with my gender identity it was a pretty comforting episode in a way. And the best trans representation I've seen before 2020

[@TheMoistestNugget]

22:10 the goon argument kills me every time lol

[@shylocreek9686]

Unrelated but I love this new hair on you. The blue really suits your skin tone well!

[@Akanisen049]

(Transman here) I like this show quite a bit honestly, yeah it's got some problems (a lot due to the time it was made) but compared to other shows like family guy and such it feels like a step up in writing quality imo

[@CrayCrayslab]

What an unexpectedly wholesome episode from Fugget about it of all things. I've never watched the show myself, but from the reviews I've seen of it, it never struck me as anything special. I expected more crass comedy at the expense of the trans character, always happy to be wrong here.

[@BingoSpinkle-qi4rz]

Fugget about it is a really good name, considering that’s what most people did with the show.

[@mk-aka-morgan8386]

I was really shocked to see you talk about this show, I had found out about it when I was younger and would search up “gay cartoons” and found some stuff about the show, I didn’t watch a lot of it, but I watched enough to recognize it from the thumbnail.

[@MrEmbryonicjones]

your hair looks so nice! and no, i've never heard of this show. sitting my white ass down and listening rn

[@sabertooth1980]

I too was shocked at the positive trans representation in this show of all places.

[@Danny_Does_Drawings]

They do actually address Canada’s less than stellar reality in the show. There are several scenes in episodes where the Mountie will sing Canadas praises and a Native American will comment something like “Oh no, you guys are great 🙄” so they are actually fairly accurate in the show.

[@DeadFawn]

The wiki thing tells me that whoever is running the wiki can't be bothered to change the default tabs, and I don't really blame them for not being dedicated enough to give a wiki about a near decade old show unique formatting.

[@RatOfTheWoods]

God it's been ages since I've thought about Fugget About It, I remember enjoying it for what it was despite being a nearly decade old adult animated show

[@AnnDVine]

"Fugget" is not a pleasant word to read or type

[@Hauntaku]

There is a fun little detail you may not know. It was confirmed in a one-time gag that Gina Falcone has a penis and then it's never mentioned again. It's gonna be tough to find the episode though.

[@SkeletonScarz]

It's weirdly not completely dead, I recently have been getting Fugget About it youtube shorts

[@dracocrusher]

It's kind-of surprising just how well this aged. It really seems like a typical low brow adult sitcom show, but because the joke is a subversion on the "trans problem" episode to begin with by making the problem about the mob instead of the Transgenderism, it really weirdly works super well when you just take away the "trans people weird" perspective and just have that be a side part of the plot. Like it unironically does feel like someone working on the show was progressive enough to 'get it' and write their trans character as just another person (cartoon gravely man voice aside). It feels like it's mostly everything else in the show that isn't quite working, though. That being said, to be honest, I did crack up a bit at the daughter just no-context seeing her brother wrench his robot self's penis before he just says "I realized what my problem as a man was!" That one's actually pretty good, lol. I really hope that conversation just continued without them ever actually addressing what he was doing just for the sake of it.

[@Al-go3tc]

Literally, my standard at this point is "did anyone vomit at the idea of a trans person?" And then we can move on from there.

[@silasharilaid8527]

I feel like his miss gendering of the “dad” comes from a place of old emotions he is bringing up the pain he felt when his “dad” left he isn’t yelling about her he is yelling at the moment when she left and in that moment she was a man to Jimmy

[@criticalthinkingconcubus]

Fugget About It may have been a shameless Canadian Family Guy rip off, but they still managed to have a more respectable trans character that’s better represent than Family Guy. Kudos to them.