The Trans SpongeBob Episode

[@rynbliss]

one gendery moment in spongebob i always think about is in that episode about the drink hat, where mr krabs tells spongebob the hat makes him look like a girl and spongebob is like "am i a pretty girl? 🥺" its just a throwaway gag tho so i understand it not being included lol

[@rynbliss]

i mean as in its just one bit of dialogue rather than a major part of the episode's plot

[@taylorashley7201]

Yeah, that moment was from when SpongeBob was good! The episode Lily did this video on is from when SpongeBob stopped being good. I'm not saying SpongeBob stopped being good because of transphobia, but I'm not Not saying it

[@spongyoshi]

I loved that line so much as an egg... I was so clueless lol

[@mavohq]

that line may have been intended to be a joke but still it was the first time as a kid i saw the “you look like a girl” bit not end with “ew gross im not a girl ewww” and it just wouldn’t leave my mind for a while

[@CapitanJorge24]

@@spongyoshi egg?

[@Xx_Sterling_xX]

The funniest part of the episode is them trying to convince me Squidward likes women

[@aporue5893]

I think squidward could like both,my theory.

[@rainbo777]

Squilliam, and only Squilliam, is exactly Squidward’s type.

[@beththegreen]

For all we know he knew Patrick wasn't a woman the whole time, and was taking advantage of everyone else not knowing to get away with openly flirting whilst still looking straight And only reacted disgusted once Patrick revealed himself as male in order to publicly maintain the appearance of being hetro :') Honestly he's shown basically 0 interest in women or men before or since so I could see either way But I like that you're super confident he's not into women Makes me laugh that so many people saw him and immediately thought "likes men" :')

[@candydream16]

honestly squidward is a bisexual icon

[@GloomyGoth13]

@@beththegreenhe has shown interest in Squilliam and they’re clearly exes

[@FillyCheeseSteak]

ah hell naw, not the episode where Mr. Krabs becomes a chaser 😭😭

[@prageruwu69]

patrick was so good looking he didn't even need to be trans to turn someone into a chaser

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

Not the Landsknecht kind, right?

[@GhazMazMSM]

“And now for the chaser”

[@timmyt4207]

​@@GhazMazMSM PAHAHAHAH

[@L1ncore]

Mr. Krabs inherently has chaser vibes ngl. Even if this episode didnt exist id assume he was one.

[@definietlynotowl3607]

Sometimes I remember that Some Like it Hot came out in 1959 and still had a way better punchline to the cross dressing reveal. Osgood falling in love with Jerry, finding out Jerry is a man and just shrugging and saying "Well, nobody's perfect!" IN 1959, EVEN THEY had a better punchline than "EW YUCKIE"

[@catgirlgrunge]

I saw that in New York last year with my brother (we're both trans but I'm not out and my egg hadn't yet cracked) and I thought that show was so beautiful. It's also more trans now than the original movie.

[@auburnt_amaranth]

yeah that kind of hate against trans people in media only started (to ramp up) in the 90s sadly.

[@beetrisrubis]

I also remembered the movie "Just One of The Guys" from the 80's. It's has a similar plot to She's The Man but I feel like it's more okay with all the trans subtexts. For example the main character seems to enjoy a lot pretending to be a boy

[@amoureux6502]

The success of that movie is regarded as a major turning point in attitudes toward the Hays Code as well (it wasn't approved because of the crossdressing but was a massive hit anyway) which makes it even cooler

[@mercedeswalt6621]

Hey, wasn’t “nobody’s perfect,” parodied by Pets?

[@MiyaoMeow588]

Notably, there is a later episode where Squidward falls for a woman, and Spongebob decides to help him with her by putting on a dress and going out on practice dates. No fuss is made about him being in a dress

[@ozziethefool691]

Only Squidward being horrified by his abysmal makeup. Which I personally don’t think is transphobic and just Spongey not being good at makeup yet combined with Squiddy being a perfectionist

[@genderender]

@@ozziethefool691 squidward has standards smh

[@sahelhappenstance8992]

Ah, my favorite gender: Mister Seaweed Monster Man

[@FunAngelo2005]

The best gender

[@galaxykid420]

Indeed

[@literallyafishhook]

ah yes, the three genders: male, female, and mr seaweed monster man

[@foodfornot]

I love this series. Have you considered covering Pleakley from Lilo and Stitch? They're basically an alien that is initially presented as male in the inciting incident, but throughout the series they wear almost exclusively what is considered human women's clothing.

[@literaterose6731]

Aw, I love the idea of Pleakley as an enby! It makes more sense anyway. I also love that it’s done without any real comment, it’s just who they are.

[@Numbabu]

@@literaterose6731In any piece of media with aliens I always headcanon that there’s literally no way they have the same concept of gender as us. Especially if there’s a bunch of different alien cultures?? Even if they all have sexual dimorphism and two genders there ain’t no way gender roles exist everywhere in comparable ways. Anyway Pleakley is the best

[@foodfornot]

@@Numbabu While I will agree that usually aliens don't adhere to human concepts of gender, L&S has the series that's a pretty strong allegory for Pleakley being closeted from their family 👀 While definitely a product of its time I'm kind of surprised they covered that in hindsight, especially Disney

[@yamii3281]

pleakley is an interesting one. my memory is foggy but i dont remember pleakleys gender presentation ever being presented in a mean spirited way. i dont doubt im forgetting a point where it was likely played for laughs, which isnt great, but for the most part that was just... how he was. they were? idk. all i can recall is that the impression i was left with as a child was wholly positive, which is more than you can say for most media concerning any form of gender fluidity at the time.

[@Numbabu]

@@foodfornot never watched the show, that’s interesting

[@LydiaTaylorMusic]

I fully thought this was gonna be about the girly teen girl episode but this episode is a much better one to dive into actually

[@nxomiiig]

she was only alive for 4 seconds ;(

[@prageruwu69]

justice for girly teengirl ✊

[@SarastistheSerpent]

I feel like girly teen girl wasn’t really a trans coded thing. I think it was just that girly teen girl happened to be a sea sponge that looked a lot like SpongeBob purely by coincidence.

[@LydiaTaylorMusic]

@@SarastistheSerpent i agree with you but I also forgot this episode with Patrick existed so it was where my brain went lol

[@emilygordbort7300]

@@nxomiiig nah she's still alive, she just moved back to farawaysville

[@LordSumSums]

"That hat makes you look like a girl." "Am I a pretty girl?!" "Um...yes, you're beautiful..."

[@katherinetressler1508]

Watching SpongeBob's reaction is always my favorite part of that scene, he just looks so happy to be called a pretty girl

[@zombies4evadude24]

Mailman: 🤨

[@JordanS-ww4eu]

Your fun I like you ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@katyungodly]

@zombies4evadude24 the confused mailman gets me every time 😂

[@Amity-park]

Forget that single commenter, your videos wouldn’t be the same without your fun side tangents. Like, it makes your content more *you*. Which is why many of us watch your content.

[@EchoRoss]

seriously it’s one of my favorite things about her videos!! it’s obviously her choice based on what ends up working the most for her channel, i’ll be watching whether or not she keeps her tangents in the videos cause i love her vids regardless, but i genuinely think the tangents are great. it’s a lot less likely that someone will mention something they like about a video vs. what they don’t like; her tangents work and they’re entertaining to me and many others imo!

[@DeadHandtheSurvivor]

It's like, if they don't care about her tangents they can just... fast forward the video. Some people like to add side thoughts when making video essays, as long as it's entertaining and doesn't go on for too long they can be a fun part of the video.

[@Amity-park]

@@DeadHandtheSurvivor heck, if they don’t like her style of commentary, they can easily go find a different person reviewing cartoons and tv shows. The rest of us love the way she does things.

[@wildcard5616]

Plus I've learned stuff Like what bikini atoile is

[@joeb8935]

Yeah I love tangents like that

[@benburke3015]

I'm just gonna say it: it would have been 10 times funnier if the episode held off on revealing the "get outta town!" punchline until the very end when Patrick and SpongeBob figure out what's going on. ok, mini rant over lol.

[@Sh3nan1gans]

Lily put this out on the day I was made employee of the month, and I'm nonbinary and I work at a fast food burger joint. 🎉

[@River_Rune]

Congrats 🎉

[@suspiciousstar7547]

Noice.

[@Sh3nan1gans]

@suspiciousstar7547 thank you fren! 😊

[@VHSGXRL]

Real spongebob???

[@rainbo777]

Cheers mate! This one’s for you 👏

[@JaiaV]

Aw. But I like the weird tangents.

[@MysticEden]

me too!

[@meala23]

Me three

[@RubberDuckKid]

Same

[@porcupiney]

i would LOVE for you to explore the trans Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack episode “Something’s a Miss”! this always stood out to me as an especially interesting case of the trope, because aside from maybe one shocked face and ugly sting, it’s actually a shockingly supportive narrative of the trans experience. a character gets vocal corrective surgery for their dysphoria! i need to hear your take on it!!!

[@hypnopompicfool985]

We need to get this comment way more likes, I'd think this an awesome video to make.

[@rainbo777]

Doctor Barber may be sketchy as hell, but he definitely isn’t a transphobe. He would attempt Any Surgery that was asked of him; kind of a real one for that 😂

[@BinglesP]

I wouldn't even blame the ugly parts because that's just what Flapjack is as a show. It takes place in a creepy dock town with a lot of grumpy, cranky sailors and wood and metal structures rotted by decades of saltwater and rain. If anything that whole episode just shows that the show has a heart in the middle of its creepy atmosphere, just like its protagonist. (Sorry for that tangent I just love MMoF, I think it should be just as acknowledged as its spiritual sister-series Chowder is)

[@katyungodly]

@BinglesP yeah, I haven't seen the episode to know the exact scene, but I can picture it because they do the trope so often in like every episode: "zoom in to show how gross and funny looking our characters are up close, for a laugh"

[@braedenmclean5304]

@@katyungodlythey do that with literally everyone and thing in the show at some point. And I’m just going to take a wild stab in the dark and assume it was captain Knuckles that made the comment, if that’s so then we are just getting mad at an asshole being an asshole. (If I’m wrong correct me)

[@scaredcoyote]

Spunch Bob square trans

[@ashikjaman1940]

This is Joe Branded's America

[@prageruwu69]

so brave of you to say this

[@Oh_the_humanity]

​@@ashikjaman1940 Joe's Branded America sounds related to Mike's Hard Lemonade

[@shapelesslord2]

your mind ❤

[@LikeFourOrFiveOtherNames]

ah hell yah

[@phoebemoon6952]

Mr seaweed monster man is SO GENDER and I’m here for it

[@cinnamonsugarcourtney6073]

there's the episode in Rugrats where Grampa and Stu put Tommy in a dress to enter him into a beautiful baby girl contest just so they can win a boat

[@Kymanbitch]

I think I saw that

[@SammyOmane]

That episode was hilarious. It’s my favorite episode out of the entire series.😂

[@austinobambino1360]

You getting delving into bizzare lore, rabbit holes, and tangents is part of what I love about your videos! Please don't change that aspect of your content if you enjoy it on account of some boring commenters that don't have a sense of curiosity.

[@meala23]

Me agree

[@NateS917]

Why do you gotta attack the commenter tho?

[@bjam89]

so star fish is funny when it comes to gender, like some can swap gender, and other cool things, i would highly recommend reading up on them

[@lonk2026]

i wish i was a starfish, that sounds cool

[@dracocrusher]

Starfish are freaking weird. Like any 'alien' you'd imagine would feel less alien than a faceless mass of legs that can regrow into new separate organisms to reproduce whenever part of it's cut off. I mean, these things extend their stomachs outside of their bodies to eat things, it's wild!

[@RKingis]

Finding Merleena

[@fluuufffffy1514]

Sex, not gender

[@RKingis]

@@fluuufffffy1514 Yup!

[@EndiXIV]

To me I'd still think that Squidward's reaction was more specifically disgust that he was hitting on Patrick specifically, not just a man in a dress, because of how much he fuckin haaaatttteeesss Patrick. For Mr. Krabs tho to me it actually seems like even after it was revealed to be Patrick he was still open to being attracted to Pat were he theoretically a trans woman because even after seeing it's Pat, Krabs isn't even put off, just asking for clarification towards Pat's gender, which to me seems like if Pat did in fact say like "yeah I'm a woman now" then Krabs would be into him which is actually kinda based

[@suspiciousstar7547]

Yeah, I agree with you there. Squidward was turned off not really because it was a man cross-dressing but more of the fact that it's the guy who constantly annoys him and breaks into his house.

[@Observer_Decay]

"Oh Neptune, it's these two screwing around again! Of course it's Patrick of all people!" And Patrick also just straight up stripped naked in front of them, so of course his eyes are gonna shrivel up 😂

[@bellabliss1860]

that's actually a really good analysis ngl. as flawed as mr. krabs and squidward are, they never really struck me as explicitly bigoted and every possible reaction that you described seems on point. especially when you consider the fact that patrick clearly doesn't feel comfortable as a woman.

[@ThriftyFangirl]

I'm always a sucker for a less-bigotted interpretation. I like this

[@Andyatl2002]

@@bellabliss1860, Squidward is canonically gay or at least views Men attractive if we go by his relationship with Squilliam he just hates Patrick

[@20000dino]

4:25 Oh my god f that commenter, I want the lore, Lily 😭😭

[@berrynickt.2586]

SAME. i love lore

[@MxAmericanPi]

Fr, where's that commenter, I just wanna talk 😤

[@dumbfuckfluffyspider8752]

Give us lore

[@EnderGraff1]

Same here, the rambling is fun!

[@jalapenofarts]

I live for Lily's lore theories. Whoever the f it is, shut up and fast forward. let the rest of us enjoy it.

[@BlazeNStar]

An enby nostalgia shows from my childhood is Avatar: The Last Airbender, because there is this overarching message that traits like physical stregnth, grace, empathy, and being blunt or being vulnerable aren't gendered. That there is no "right way" to be a certain gender, because not only are gender roles culturally/socially defined, but what makes you the gender you are is personally defined, no one can make you be something or someone you aren't in a way that just isn't true to you. And the best of the best at anything are always those who can balance themselves, having traits that are both "masculine" and "feminine", and are honest with themselves about themselves. I never saw even a full episode of the Legend of Korra so idk about that show tho.

[@rootfish2671]

At the finale of The Legend of Korra, even though they couldn't outright and say it, its obvious that Korra is in romantic relationship with Asami, a woman.

[@DragonbIaze052]

If I remember correctly, one of the people working at Toph's family's city is an enby?

[@rootfish2671]

@@DragonbIaze052 Probably and in the official comics there were LGBTQ avatars in the past

[@therealopaartist]

I’ll forever treasure how the Kyoshi Warriors handed Sokka’s misogynist ass to him. By kicking his ass. Then trained him.

[@dbattery4511]

Have you considered a follow-up on the gender-role focused episode where SpongeBob and Patrick raise a baby scallop? It's from the good seasons!

[@cherryjello777]

I hope we get this one day~

[@_smartie_]

You know, maybe that's just a me thing, but I always read the Mr Crabs: "So, let me get this straight. You're not a woman?" line a bit different. He doesn't ask Patrick/Patricia if they are a "real" woman. I know genitals are a bit, well, not existent in the Spongebob Universe but given the words he says and the face he makes, he doesnt seem to have an issue with Patricks body, as long as they were some form of woman. So by just saying "a woman", it's implied that, had Patricia been a trans woman, Crabs would have been fine with it. But since Patrick was and is male, he's got issues. As in, the thought of having been attracted to a man was just the worst. Making this not a transphobic moment but rather a homophobic one.

[@summermermaidstar756]

Slight correction, the character's name is Krabs with a k, not a c. Hence the restaurant name

[@mikethegoo]

Which coincidentally would make it correct in Dutch

[@braedenmclean5304]

Wait, maybe I’m just not getting it in the end. But does a cis man not wanting to date/be romantic with a cis man make them homophobic?

[@NateS917]

I guess a straight guy not finding a man attractive is homophobic?

[@jennyb4543]

My 2yo is really into Scooby, and I only watch on and off but I've noticed Scooby is in drag a lot and most of the time he really seems into it and the gang is pretty supportive, or at least doesn't have negative comments or expressions about it. Guess Who is the one we're currently on, but she watches pretty much every adaptation. It does seem like the older ones play it up more for laughs, but the newer ones seem to have a running theme that Scooby enjoys wearing wigs and women's clothes, that he really likes how he looks in the wig and no one in the gang looks at him any differently. But again, I'm just watching it here and there, so I'd love to hear your deep dive.

[@nxomiiig]

that commenter can watch another video !!! create what YOU want to create

[@helicopterjets]

Does that commenter support Lily's Patreon?

[@nxomiiig]

bruh then they can just stop? Why should one persons decisions dictate someone elses.Stop asking dumb questions@@helicopterjets

[@quinnfarris]

@DrewCiccotelli The people on the patreon aren't her bosses.. They like her content so they give her money to help support her to continue making it

[@NateS917]

The commenter can do what he wants

[@romethekid9000]

watching this while doing my T shot. love being transgender fr

[@prageruwu69]

hell yeah brother 🤙

[@BATTRYACID]

OMG SAME 🤝!!! friday night T shot party watching the latest lily simpson video, who's down

[@definitelynotashark1799]

This is the future liberals want 😤

[@dougdimmadome9241]

​@@prageruwu69 ToT i was about to leave this comment verbatim

[@augustoof13]

This is random but you have a kick-ass name. Romano is cool as hell

[@mk-aka-morgan8386]

There’s another more modern episode of Spongebob that has a plot line similar to this, but instead with Plankton disguised as a girl florist to attempt to try and get the secret formula. It’s Season 13s episode titled “Flowerpot”, he genuinely thinks about leaving his life of crime to container being this florist, the entire time I watched the episode I was thinking “omg her egg cracked”. Unfortunately, having this stick would mean they’d have to change the formula for the show itself, so it just got reversed by the end. I think it’d be awesome to see you talk about it someday 🙏

[@nxomiiig]

this video is so justified, yea its "over analyzing" but if it doesn't matter why are people still upset by it?

[@shytendeakatamanoir9740]

Why are you even watching if you don't like overanalysis?

[@sagemcmichael8320]

I appreciate Lily's videos especially on kids media so much bc it really shows just how ingrained into our society casual transphobia is. It can get kinda heavy when you realize just how deep it goes, but I think this work is really necessary and provides specific examples of how we are literally programmed to be transphobic.

[@william3100]

But that doesn't mean these episodes are bad since none of them are saying that transgenders are bad. Why are people overanalyzing these shows? An episode of a show is not automatically transphobic just because they SEEM to have subtle, unintentional, transphobic-like stuff in it!

[@sagemcmichael8320]

I didn't say these episodes were bad or transphobic, I was saying there is casual transphobia in them. There's a big difference between something having casual transphobia in it vs it being intentionally transphobic. Often times the casual transphobia being something along the lines of "haha man in a dress." This is a deep rooted cultural trope that has been in countless movies, shows, songs, you name it. This may not be explicitly saying that they don't believe trans women are women, but it plays into really old harmful stereotypes, and older versions of this trope were often about what we would today refer to as trans people. Lily isn't overanalyzing an episode of spongebob, she's pointing out these tropes that are a part of a larger cultural narrative that says trans people are "the other" and are therefore objects of ridicule, disgust, fetishization, etc. Just because a piece of media may not be intentionally maliciously transphobic, even the casual transphobia adds to the cultural narrative

[@william3100]

@sagemcmichael8320 at the same time, though, it's a comedy show, and comedy shows make fun of everybody regardless of gender or transgender in this case. The episode wasn't even about being transgender in any real way. It was about Patrick disguising himself as a woman to avoid getting kicked out of town(in his mind). There's a difference between being a transgender and pretending to be a different person who just so happens to be the opposite sex. Squidward and Mr. Krabs were more upset that they were hitting on Patrick rather than a transgender.

[@sagemcmichael8320]

Like I said, I don't believe the writers of this episode were being intentionally transphobic, so I really don't understand getting so defensive about it. But the joke of the episode relied on the audience recognizing this "man in a dress" trope and finding it funny bc we are conditioned to. It's like how we culturally recognize the trope of a student giving a red apple to a teacher. It's not something that's explicitly taught to us as kids as normal, but it's a thing that's been depicted hundreds of times in all sorts of media so when we see that we immediately recognize it as a normal thing. The reason why the man in a dress trope is transphobic is bc, while this is an old established trope, it's only a much more recent thing to actually regularly see characters explicitly referred to as trans. The trope relies on visual signifiers to let the audience know that the "man in the dress" either is queer, and that's funny, or they or men who are attracted to them are afraid of appearing queer, which is also funny. Even if the "man in the dress" character is not actually trans, bc of the history of the trope, the audience is conditioned to see that and perceive some form or queerness happening and to find it funny. Why is it funny? Bc queer ppl are "not normal." That's what the whole joke boils down to.

[@william3100]

@sagemcmichael8320 No, the joke is, it's funny because the characters actually believe Patrick is a woman. Not exactly saying that Patrick being a woman is bad, just that the disguise is actually working. Nothing trans about it.

[@dracocrusher]

Man, the Trans woman in Barbie passes so well... that was such good casting, lol! Because every time some Conservative goes "There's a secret Trans woman in this movie!" anyone who doesn't know is just like "....... Wait..... which one....? It's one of these three people? Okay.... who???" Really ruins the whole 'we can always tell' narrative when you think about it. Good movie, good representation, and broke boxoffice records while being the wokest film of the year. God, the Barbie movie was such a home run!

[@TheGuindo]

yeah and i was also really glad that they never made any implications that the _character_ she played was also trans. that might sound weird when we all want explicit trans representation, but it means she's just a barbie, the same as all the other barbies, the only thing that makes her different or special is that she's a doctor. whether she's trans or cis is completely irrelevant to the fact that she is a woman, and i think that's great.

[@NateS917]

No conservative has ever said that. Ever

[@one_for_one]

Lily simpson, high on her victory over the BBC, is now going to war with that one commenter. I wish her luck in fights to come

[@QFGlenn]

That commenter is entitled to their opinion but I love when you go on your tangents and rip apart the logic of the shows universe. Great video!

[@jaredgreen2363]

The zoom in and musical sting is what they do for any epiphany that would be characterized as a ‘lightbulb’ moment.

[@littlenubs3989]

i think originally they had spongebob in nickelodeon's pride post was due to them revealing spongebob is actually asexual. so i'm not sure if that post was related to this episode but i would say this episode makes me happy from nostaglia.

[@maccaveen]

Ngl I always assumed that Squidward's eyes shrivelled because he just saw Patrick naked, not great but better?? Also I'm not surprised they don't address the sexual harassment, they had a panty raid episode after all

[@galaxychill9578]

e-excuse me?!

[@KarRace77]

@@galaxychill9578a episode were Bob Pat and krabbs plan a break in to steal panties

[@dabatman5187]

Krabs did get punished for it in the end tho, so actually that was addressed better

[@aporue5893]

it's a tv show,it isn't real!🤦‍♀

[@maccaveen]

@@aporue5893 that's the most pointless comment on this post lmao

[@BlazeNStar]

Good news for trans women acording to kids cartoons in the 2000s: the criteria for being a woman is 1. Long hair 2. Makeup.

[@hypnopompicfool985]

Bad news for any women cis or trans with short hair who don't like makeup X3

[@the_last_ballad]

3. A bow

[@NateS917]

Yeah...those are traditional things for women. When you think of a man, you typically think of somebody with shorter hair, when you think of a woman it's someone with longer hair, and plenty of times in makeup. I don't know if you know this but it was a woman disguise after all

[@sonicfanboy3375]

​@@the_last_ballad4. High heels

[@panqueque445]

10:09 I know debunking this guy is as easy as breathing. But he's literally wrong. If you hear what those landings were like, from the surviving "teenagers" that were there, they did cry. They did "worse" too, at least what this dude would consider worse than crying. And would you believe it, I've never heard anyone judge them for it. I've never heard a single WWII veteran say "those damn pussies crying for their moms petrified at the beaches of Normandy"

[@beththegreen]

Anecdotal evidence If we're doing that, I HAVE heard them say that men shouldn't cry, that it's weak And I've heard it constantly from all generations and walks of life too But especially from men who try their hardest to perform their view of cliche masculinity, and older men It's absurd to pretend that this isn't a very prevalent view shared by men, especially older men.

[@beththegreen]

So debunk them? I need actual peer reviewed studies and statistics in context Not just "I've never heard someone from ww2 say that "

[@thieleaf_the_shelf_dragon]

why does that one commenter keep watching if your literal STYLE of video essay is what seems to be bothering them.... (i LOVE it, just to be clear)

[@BinglesP]

Same reason why cartoon reviewers collectively made like 20 + rants about shows like Uncle Grandpa and Clarence in the 2010's. People are just mean and like being downers about things they don't understand the point about, man

[@rotwip5063]

I do love this series. If you did an episode on dipper in gravity falls I’d be so joyous. The episode dipper vs manliness, and the whole scene in the journal where he tells ford his “real” name and how it almost reads as a coming out scene :3 im a trans guy and I rly resonated with dipper when I was his age. Lov you miss lily!

[@prageruwu69]

this episode (and episodes like it) made me so uncomfortable growing up, i thought like "would people laugh at me if i did the same thing in reverse?"

[@umtic]

I actually liked episodes like these growing up tbf, simply because they really make people question gender norms and unfair limitations based on anything outside people's control

[@prageruwu69]

​@@umticthat's a cool perspective on it!

[@rotomfan63]

Yeah i can totally see that Squidward's reaction is bad, but to fee my devil's advocate addiction, his entire workplace was just flashed. I think regaurdless of the gender of the person who did that might be the major factor

[@hypnopompicfool985]

Yeah, like, I love my partner and I'm very attracted to them but if they just walked out bare ass naked in public I'd just feel my stomach sink and get nauseous, maybe that's just me. So I can only imagine how Squidward felt seeing basically one of his nemesis getting naked right in front of everyone and him realizing he was crushing on the guy who breaks into his house often and makes his life hell.

[@beththegreen]

Well yeah but let's be real here That's not the reason the writers meant for him to be disgusted This isn't real life with real people It's a deliberately written narrative And the clear message was that he was disgusted with him being male, not because of the nudity or whatever None of them mentioned being upset about that

[@theking4mayor]

Growing up in the 80's, I actually thought those metal bands were women. It was when I watched flight of the navigator, I had the same revelation as the MC when the older brother explained it. So yes. Hair and makeup is all it takes for a kid. I also had to have my dad explain that clark kent is superman.

[@MillenniOld]

Ooh, I actually have a suggestion for a show you could cover! Right before I watched this video, I watched an episode of Sabrina the Teenage Witch (the ‘90s sitcom with Melissa Joan Hart) where Sabrina and her aunts take a potion that turns them into guys for a couple hours. I remember thinking “this would be great for Lily Simpson to maybe do a video on and I should comment on one of her videos” and then KZbin is like “here’s a Lily Simpson video for you…”

[@impsail374]

Have you ever considered doing a video about princess jellyfish or Ranma 1/2?

[@abbystarheart1]

I LOVE PRINCESS JELLYFISH SO MUCH, it's such an iconic queer autistic story

[@corinnacybele]

She’d have to do every episode of Ranma 1/2 geez

[@impsail374]

@@abbystarheart1 omg yees me too

[@Shadozcreeping]

​@@corinnacybeleno, only season one; once happosai shows up i stop watching. i literally don't know what happens much further after than because it's just not fun after he shows up. people were anxious and weird and horny in season one, but happy is just so deeply and profoundly upsetting and predatory he ruins the entire show

[@Blaumagier]

​@@ShadozcreepingHapposai routinely gets the absolute crap kicked out of him for being a creepy perv and he is absolutely a one dimensional character that never, ever, ever changes in the slightest. Although, in retrospect, there is a bit of trans positivity in Happosai as he gives no F's that Ranma very adamantly identifies as a man and is way into him when he is girl type Ranma anyway. Though given that Ranma magically has the body of a cisgender woman when doused with cold water, perhaps that is giving Happosai more credit than he deserves.

[@DariaCovington]

Everyone was down bad for Patrick/Patricia frfr 😍✨ she slayed so hard

[@Doylt]

Have you considered looking into trans music? It might be a bit esoteric compared to your usual field of TV but I'd like you to check some out, see if it sparks any interest. Transgender Dysphoria Blues by Against Me! is the biggest one but there's Salt by Bad Suns and two of my favourite albums contain trans themes: Divorce Lawyers I Shaved My Head - Jordaan Mason and the Horse Museum, and The Butchers Voice - Stuart Warwick.

[@TheresaBaker420]

I'd recommend Laura Les How to Dress as Human is top tier

[@WaywardTidesCollective]

Against Me! is one of the best bands ever, Transgender Dysphoria Blues will always be a classic album

[@joeyboy4827]

i was hoping you’d mention jordaan mason! i absolutely adore their music. a lot of their more recent albums also have music about being trans (specifically “form less” comes to mind, but a lot of their songs in general have trans themes). a few other trans music artists i can think of are “printing shed” and “a stick and a stone”

[@crona420]

OMG PLEASE!!!! devi mccallion, ada rook, katie dey and laura les are all trans women who i adore so much. i believe devi has the most songs about the transgender experience (along with others) out of them, i love her sm

[@crona420]

OH AND the song ‘sweet cis teen’ by dazey and the scouts. absolute fire

[@gameyfirebro9645]

I mean Squidward and Mr. Krabs are both flawed characters who usually end up being in the wrong for their stories. One time Mr. Krabs went insane from essentially Plankton-induced anxiety. He's also an aging navy veteran. It makes sense for such a character to be somewhat like that.

[@sjain8111]

plankton-induced anxiety is a common phenomenon

[@umtic]

yeah, their reactions at the end gave me more of a "Mr Krabs and Squidward are in the wrong and have problematic views throughtout the episode" rather than "this is how you should react if this happened to you"

[@dracocrusher]

That's the weird thing here. Like, we're clearly meant to empathize with Patrick, but it's not really framed like they're in the wrong? It's just kind-of like "Oh, those boys will be boys, ha ha..."

[@DragonbIaze052]

Okay, but that's the same as excusing all of South Park's terrible shit just because it's Cartman or Randy saying it. The framing of the episode matters more than the person that's being used as the mouthpiece.

[@curelovecats]

I think you’re giving them too faith

[@BlackAutMedia]

If we’re on the talk of Sonic media I’d love for you to talk about whatever the hell was going on with Rouge and Topaz. You could also talk about Sonic Prime because there’s one character who gives a lot of trans disabled coded vibes who would be fun to talk about.

[@ally939]

Rouge and Topaz are girlfriends, les-bi-honest (topaz is the lesbian and rouge is the bi one, of course)

[@ally939]

Also, love your profile picture- one of my all time favorite Gengar pictures

[@Montesama314]

I watched a compilation of Rouge and Topaz a month or so ago and wow, Topaz totally broke when Rouge left. There is definitely some love there.

[@bobtheball5384]

...Nine? Is that the one or is there someone I'm missing?

[@bobtheball5384]

Also agreed, Topaz and Rouge is a ship I can get behind after seeing their reactions

[@klourdes6068]

SpongeBob is intended to be ace and he's so me for that but by Gods, have you seen how he interacts with squidward in newer seasons????

[@nanonashi3258]

I stopped watching a long time ago and just rewatch the first 3 seasons sooo how does he interact with him?

[@stephaniekoluch374]

compliments him kisses him

[@nanonashi3258]

@@stephaniekoluch374 didn't spongebob always have a weird admiration for him? He kissed him in one of the first three seasons when squidward lost his job, has alot of pictures of them and also an (If I remember correctly) carved, life sized figure

[@klourdes6068]

@@nanonashi3258 Newer episodes have them holding hands, statements about kissing each other, theyre a lot closer than in prev seasons. Spongebob also seems flirtatious??? Idk.You can find clips on youtube

[@rainbo777]

I kind of always took those comments toward squidward as flirting as sort of learned affection behavior since Spongebob is autistic. Not that Spongebob wants to romance Squid; but to show him that he admires him. Also a reason he maybe can’t pick up on clues that people, especially Squidward, frequently do not like him and find his behaviors odd ?

[@swampgoat6343]

If you need to know one thing about SpongeBob's house is it has more going on inside than the tardis

[@kaleeshsynth9994]

The fact that Patrick is clearly uncomfortable about being hit on makes me feel so bad for him in this episode

[@soapy_python9828]

21:00 I think the music here is from mr Krabs perspective at his failure to have a date with his employee

[@zer0w0lf94]

I was about to bring that up, as well as the fact that Patricia referring to Mr. Krabs and Squidward's advances as "nice" and "friendly" was likely just them being too dumb to recognize those advances as "romantic," to put them in terms the writers would have likely used.

[@Emma-Lumi]

the tangents are like my favourite part, and, often, either serve as a good break from the usually rather bleak trans, or trans adjacent, portrayals being discussed or serve to otherwise enrich the narrative

[@maleprincess5559]

when Spongebob and Patrick adopt a baby scallop together, Spongebob takes the role of the mother

[@puzzlepick]

There’s a show I’d love to see you cover called Psych, it’s a detective/investigator show. There’s an episode called “Who ya gonna call?” (I don’t remember which season, but it’s early on.) The episode is about a guy who comes in saying he’s being haunted by a ghost. The “ghost” is another personality from his unknown DID, and I think it’d be cool to see your opinions on how they covered the trans-ness of the character.

[@TheComicalOverlord]

Ooh, i remember this episode! Haha, 🍍

[@TheComicalOverlord]

I will say though i barely trust any media to cover plurality, and lily would have to do a ton of research to talk about it properly…

[@Hylemxylem-ou4sp]

Was about comment the same thing lol. I’d definitely want to see Lily do a video on the episode.

[@LiEnby]

Unfortunately DID is also often represented terribly in shows.

[@AuriWolf]

It's always funny hearing Pearl speak and knowing it's the same voice that did the oh so serious and deadly Boss from MGS3

[@purinpanda8302]

Spongebob is legitimately the queer king of Nickelodeon 💅. He has cross dressed so much I bet a 2-hour compilation video could be made from it... And loves doing it! 😭

[@auditect950]

The saxophone music is called "Sleazy Sax". I also used the same track in one of my own videos (The Missing Top) and it was heard in Team Four Star's Dragon Ball Z Abridged when Marron first appears.

[@Westygalery]

Hey Lily, I'd love to see you cover the Princess Cookie episode of Adventure Time sometime! It's a breath of fresh air in terms of a trans message (whether intentional or not, though I like to believe it was) being handled well and with a positive message towards the end. Adventure Time has always stood out as a cartoon that handles queer topics pretty well, like making Marceline x Princess Bubblegum canon!

[@rainbo777]

I love Princess cookie. 😭She is respected by everyone and it really brings a sparkle to my heart.

[@prophet369]

Due South. If you haven't heard of it, it's a 90s series that takes the buddy cop formula and applies it to a Chicago detective and an RCMP officer from the Yukon that have to work together for increasingly nebulous reasons. There's a prominent season 2 episode called "Some like it Red" in which drag is central to the plot. It being a 90s police dramedy, there might also be some bad trans tropes sprinkled elsewhere, but I can't remember anything specific.

[@QuarterMoonRachel]

Due South! That's a nostalgic show, dang. Second the suggestion to examine it.

[@dinosaysrawr]

You'd think that the denizens of Bikini Bottom would know starfish change sex all the time, and would thus not be thrown for a loop by Patrick becoming Patricia or vice versa.

[@wadewilson6879]

You're beautiful Lily! Don't ever stop your passions! You've been a great influence, especially for those of us who don't get that in our daily lives. 🖤

[@bellecass]

Not the Episode: Choose Your Story jumpscare 😭

[@Montesama314]

"Is nothing sacred!?" Um, lady, you're talking about a movie adapting a toyline. None of this is sacred.

[@JulianAnimal]

I recently heard of a show called The Adventures of Sebastian Cole, it’s a comedy/drama from 1998. i haven’t watched it and don’t really know where to find it, but it’s about a 17 year old who’s “dad” comes out as a trans woman and says she wants to start transitioning. I couldn’t really tell if it was good or bad representation from the trailer but there weren’t many good signs. Thought it looked interesting

[@Gigglerue]

My first thought was the episode where Mr. Crabs tells SpongeBob that the annoying hat he got makes him look like a girl in an attempt to get him to give it to him, and SpongeBob's reaction was just "Am I a pretty girl?"

[@AutisticTransbian04]

Yay Spongebob 😊💜🖤 I've had a bit of a Spongebob revival recently, and I've picked up on how queer friendly this show is Spongebob is even canonically asexual which i think is really neat, and their episode on same sex relationships (Rock A Bye Bivalve) will always be a classic

[@ADudeWithAChannel]

Well, Hillenburg said he personally thought SpongeBob was Aro Ace, but Nick has probably retconned it.

[@AbsolXGuardian]

​​@@ADudeWithAChannelSpongeBob was featured in pride month promotion for Nick relatively recently (which looks insane if you don't know about that one Hillenberg quote). Edit: oh that actually gets referenced in the video at 13:55

[@ADudeWithAChannel]

@@AbsolXGuardian they had a line in a mobile game where SpongeBob said "Tell...sandy...I love her..." So I think they've flip flopped on it

[@Sophia-vk5bq]

@@ADudeWithAChannelI mean he could still be romantic ace.

[@wallowlight]

squidward is probably bi too

[@smokeyalexia6931]

I'm so sad that you stopped your silly little tangents. That commenter is not representative. PLEASE~ keep doing long tangents it is perfect and a part of why I come to watch your channel. Keep up the good work

[@TheLizardKing140]

My chocolate milk was spilled and no one told me :(

[@Snowmelt_Forever]

awww I'm sorry bb ;(

[@nxomiiig]

i spilled it

[@TheLizardKing140]

@@nxomiiig:(

[@akiraeatsguitarpicks491]

WATCH OUT YOUR CHOCOLATE MILK IS GOING TO SPILL!!!

[@uhoh6092]

@@akiraeatsguitarpicks491nah the milks fine dw

[@SailorLarkspur]

I love your side quest rants 🥺

[@TV-8-301]

9:35 Huh, I've watched Spongebob since forever but I never acknowledged that crying, especially for male characters, is not nearly as common in other shows. 🤔 Unfortunately the show alone was not enough to counter the overwhelming social stigma

[@kalkuttadrop6371]

I always read Squidward's reaction as being specifically because it's Patrick, who he A. Hates, and B. is in universe very ugly

[@lakegroce685]

Sonic X is the best Sonic series. Finally, someone with real taste.

[@CupidsJerboa]

I have a suggestion for an episode you could look into The gender episode from Whatever Happened to Robot Jones (its not hard to find on the episode list they just titled it "gender") Robot Jones is a show I don't see people talk about a ton and I'd like to see what you think about the episode if you get the chance! Love your videos ❤️

[@frogtrenchcoat]

the human impulse to point out things that we think are bad or that should change is kinda sad sometimes. i love rambly discussion of the broader context and just 2 counteract that impulse some more i will add that i like how you gesture

[@deirenne]

Nooooo, screw that commenter, the autistic side tangents are awesome! I didn't watch 10+ hours deep dive for nothing, give us the rabbit holes, they're dope and it's great to hear the infodump 💜

[@linkstarwind]

Please dont let one commenter keep you from going on tangets 😭😭 i love the tangents! If they don't like it, they can skip ahead or watch at 2x speed idk

[@sophiarafferty]

I love the drawing on the back wall

[@lattedecoffee6781]

I think the Backyardigans could be interesting, I definitely remember Uniqua in particular sometimes playing a “male” role (I don’t remember if the guys ever played “female” roles)

[@gray5485]

i want to note that when spongebob calls girly teen girl ugly i think that joke is only about how they are almost identical

[@FionaF121]

Pace yourself, girl! Don't burn out on studying all the ways we're told to hate ourselves! (I could stand to take my own advice)

[@AlpiineSnowGriffin]

I really hope you cover the Gumball episode where Richard the dad dresses up as a human woman named Samantha. I think it'd be interesting to see you talk about it!

[@ghosthorns]

not to go off from the trans narrative, but that jumper you're wearing is extremely cute!!

[@moonxliqht]

as a queer person spongebob always felt deeply queer to me. i never felt like spongebob was a man and as a little kid identified with spongebob the same way i identified with other female cartoon characters; it never felt *different* to me as it did with other male characters. and especially this episode, was probably the first time i saw a trans/cross dressing storyline, i always did find this episode interesting but i thought it was kind of amazing how patrick just... lived life as a girl freely. their personality never changed but it was just the way they dressed and i thought that was actually really cool. now that i'm older and have figured out my identity more, yes this episode wasn't the best but i genuinely have always viewed spongebob as a queer coded show and still love it to this day.

[@missauroraroseblairsays]

I try not to comment on appearances but I been loving you as a Blond. I think it flatters you greatly.

[@emilygordbort7300]

10:11 god that guy looks like he needs to be in prison

[@songbird6414]

@@HitTheFloor16this was completely unnecessary

[@scrungler_boinbus]

​​@@HitTheFloor16 did you seriously only come here to hate? get a life

[@LilacpetaI_Art]

@@HitTheFloor16why does he need to be in jail?

[@Sh12pen]

​@@HitTheFloor16what is bro waffling about

[@opheliarosewood7847]

​@@HitTheFloor16 I'm in your walls I'm in your walls I'm in your walls I'm in your walls I'm in your walls I'm in your walls I'm in your walls I'm in your walls I'm in your walls

[@Cocoanutty0]

I feel like they could have done something interesting with the idea that men are only nice to women they want to sleep with, and had Patricia turn a guy down only for him to treat her worse than they ever treated Patrick, but they missed every mark this episode.

[@fluffykitteninabox]

honestly I love the overanalysing of the lore and I love the longer videos. I think you should do your videos however you feel they should be done

[@Galaxyjelly99]

PLEASE talk about the seaosn 2 character “Lake” from infinity train! Their story is actually trans coded and it’s really well written! You do NOT need to watch seaosn 1 at all, each season is a different story, and the season is only 10 epsiodes, 10 minutes each.

[@suspiciousstar7547]

YES PLEASE.

[@TheMightyPika]

I love your tangents. They're my favorite part. That commenter needs to get a life.

[@nianmin6388]

These aren't really canon/directly alluded to in some instances, but I would love to see you potentially do a video on some popular trans headcanons from shows. I don't think I can name one specific episode from one, but there are a few headcanons/trans theories from a few years ago that you can find "evidence" or discussions about. Some include Dipper Pines, Danny Phantom, Lars from Steven Universe, or Marco Diaz from Star vs the forces of evil, etc. The last one is most interesting imo bc there was a lot of setup for possible mtf trans Marco (even a scrapped storyboard that included a trans flag dress). Unfortunately they never put the idea into fruition by the end of the show.

[@jeffborowiak9398]

Star Trek deep space nine season 2 episode 7. Rules of Acquisition. There is a female Ferengi that is dressed like a male.

[@glubtier]

Well, I like the tangents and lore, but at least we have Alex Bale for our SpongeBob conspiracies 😂

[@akiraeatsguitarpicks491]

Spinklebarb?? Trains??? No wayyy

[@timothymclean]

22:10: If the Krusty Krab has an HR department, it's probably just Mr. Krabs wearing a mustache or something. If the HR manager intervenes, it probably won't be to help Patricia.

[@AbsolXGuardian]

Same. I'm a big fan of the lore tangents as well

[@stacyyyowo]

I'm actually surprised that Spongebob handed the "man in a dress" trope better than "Friendship is Magic"

[@rainbo777]

I can’t believe you have to explain this how you did in the beginning. Get with the program guys. We have always had to ~find~ ourselves in media. We are hardly ever welcomed there.

[@rainbo777]

Also ~ I think it’s great that you talk about anything you want in regard to these topics. Rant on, babe !

[@UNSCMarine117]

"Its time for the moment you have been waiting for!"