The Tribe Problem - Sunny's Spiel | Warriors Analysis

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Sunnyfall

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[I mixed up the credits for two of the pictures near the end! The picture of Tree at 9:28 is by Mechafeline and the picture of Tree's family at 9:31 is by Jayie-The-Hufflepuff. So sorry about this! Go check them both out. They have lovely art.]
The Tribe is problematic for a number of reasons. In addition to being harmful for the story and world, they perpetuate harmful stereotypes about Native people. Whether or not the Erins ever intended to reference their cultures is somewhat irrelevant at this point, considering the number and strength of the parallels that do exist, and the harm they can cause. I encourage everyone to read this very well-researched document detailing many of the prevailing Native stereotypes in the series: t.co/UchEyPYRt...
The Tribe is boring, and few to no fans in Warriors are genuinely excited when they show up (although Flipclaw might think differently). But does it really matter if there’s one boring group in Warriors? How bad could they be?
I did not realize when I made this video that it would be coming out on Christmas. Uhhh oops. Well this video doesn't do anything to celebrate it but for anyone who celebrates Christmas, I hope you have a wonderful day! Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holidays!
...The Tribe is snowy. Does that count?
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@TennelleFlowers
@TennelleFlowers 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! It's really too bad what happened with the Tribe. It's sad that the most interesting parts of the tribe come from the beginnings of the tribe: The stuff with Jay's Wing and Half Moon, and then in DotC, seeing where Clear Sky and Gray's Wing came from. But even then, those plotlines are much more interesting before and after making/leaving the tribe. ToT The Tribe just can't win.
@miniperico4499
@miniperico4499 3 жыл бұрын
Hi tennelle
@skimmerplayz506
@skimmerplayz506 3 жыл бұрын
OKAY, OKAY, no spoilers, Tennele. Weeeee know...
@infinitepossibilities2862
@infinitepossibilities2862 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe at some point they ca go back to the tribe and they can give them more personality. That would just be great.
@akirafox1200
@akirafox1200 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Tennelle! Our king is here once again :]
@amblonyxx
@amblonyxx 3 жыл бұрын
Just specifically for Feathertails arc with the tribe, I would have preferred that they kidnapped Stormfur thinking he would save them but that a "silver cat" from the tribe ultimately does. Like they had the strength all along!
@blobbertmcblob4888
@blobbertmcblob4888 3 жыл бұрын
Aren't all the tribe cats described as being brown tabbies and gray/black as well? I think the one thing that has always bothered me is that I'm pretty sure I recall the books saying that they rolled in mud to hide themselves...why would they need to do that? lol. Cats are literally infamous for hiding in plain sight.
@kaykinz2549
@kaykinz2549 3 жыл бұрын
I honestly hate that fact also because it makes it way harder to make them have more interesting character designs because they’re all gonna look way too similar lol
@olivergardener5285
@olivergardener5285 3 жыл бұрын
Well keep in mind, they dont really have any outsiders come in too often, so they are all fairly inbred, so they will all have similar pelt colors and patterns, assuming they've all been having kits with eachother like this for generations with little to no outside intervention.
@yawninglion1677
@yawninglion1677 2 жыл бұрын
@@olivergardener5285 Yeah, the Clans are inbred but have new blood and inter mingling. The tribe is an isolated family in the mountains.
@hishamsadiq6471
@hishamsadiq6471 2 жыл бұрын
@@olivergardener5285 Warrior cats doesn't have or try to have realistic genetics either. For example Millie and Graystripe having a calico and a brown kitten, Moonflower A grey tabby and Stormtail a dark bluish grey cat having a mostly white kitten Snowfur and Two ginger cats Brightflower and Brackenfoot producing a grey kitten Yellowfang a Brown tortoiseshell kitten Rowanberry and and an all brown kitten Nutwhisker along with Coat colors that don't exist in real life such as golden and dark ginger. And many many more.
@ravem410
@ravem410 2 жыл бұрын
They also roll in mud to help keep the warmth in and cold out
@paranoidlizard6338
@paranoidlizard6338 3 жыл бұрын
Its not a far fetch to say that the clan cats feel... like their religion and their practice of said religion feels inspire by christianity. As a jewish kid it was real easy for me to pick up the very very clear hitler allegory that tigerstar was in the first series. And to me... the idea that our first impression of another cat religion is one that is “less refined” and constantly needs saving and can at times be just flat out wrong makes me feel a bit uncomfortable
@paranoidlizard6338
@paranoidlizard6338 3 жыл бұрын
And yeah, from what i remember they do go with the religious idea of “everyone is right about what the afterlife is; they either translate the same things in different ways, or there are multiple afterlives” but every time that one group of cats is wrong, its never the clan cats
@paranoidlizard6338
@paranoidlizard6338 3 жыл бұрын
Not only that, but they do the same shit that colonialism did where, like you said, every time they meet a new group if cats they feel the need to reform them to their own societal system and beleifs
@AudraBurgess
@AudraBurgess 3 жыл бұрын
I got more Pagan vibes from the clans since nothing about their religion reminds me of Christianity
@TheAshfurApologist
@TheAshfurApologist 3 жыл бұрын
Yes there is a lot of real world parallels in warriors , tigerstar is Hitler essentially, really like that comparison.
@anikbrinckerhoff1037
@anikbrinckerhoff1037 3 жыл бұрын
Vicky (I think) said the purpose of the Tribe was to show a theme of tolerance of other groups' cultures and religious views, not sure how they managed to mess that up so badly...
@rconr1899
@rconr1899 3 жыл бұрын
I really want it to be that one day they go back to the tribe and just find a bunch of cats that could actually live in a snowy mountain area. Just having the clan cats that came having their tails handed to them by these buff fluffy cats when they expected the tribe would be hilarious
@redwillowofdreams8931
@redwillowofdreams8931 3 жыл бұрын
I think that you’re going to be big one day ngl
@skimmerplayz506
@skimmerplayz506 3 жыл бұрын
OHHHH yeah baby
@BugsyBugYT
@BugsyBugYT Жыл бұрын
its been two years and you are correct
@redwillowofdreams8931
@redwillowofdreams8931 Жыл бұрын
@@BugsyBugYT Haha I guess I was! I remember when the sub count was super low
@BugsyBugYT
@BugsyBugYT Жыл бұрын
@@redwillowofdreams8931 same
@Cloverrfrostt
@Cloverrfrostt 3 жыл бұрын
I actually have an objection! The reason Greystripe went to the tribe in Greystripe’s Vow was because he missed his son. Greystripe had never went to the tribe before hand, so it serves as sort of a first introduction as well. Greystripe was never the one to consider living in the Tribe, that was Flipclaw. So you see, Greystripe couldn’t have met Stormfur and had that deep conversation that he had on his way back from the old Forest. Also, cats from his past were very important to the story already and he was planning to go to the forest and the only way to go was to go across the mountains first. I don’t know if this makes sense but I just really like Greystripe’s Vow. I also really like the Tribe and I wish they were more important to plot then they actually were.
@Kelis98
@Kelis98 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, very good points
@jackgarrett6366
@jackgarrett6366 3 жыл бұрын
Oh. I'm just gonna check out my favorite small Warriors KZbinr- *oh my god TennelleFlowers is in the comment section*
@Sunnyfall
@Sunnyfall 3 жыл бұрын
xD yeah it came on very suddenly
@legrandliseurtri7495
@legrandliseurtri7495 2 жыл бұрын
Alright, so I'll bring one counter argument: One of the times they meet, the tribe is the one to saved them. In Dawn, they welcome the starving and freezing clans into their cavern. It was a cool way to make Feathertail's death and the whole tribe storyline meaningful. Sadly, the next books don't follow this trend.
@blu_jello
@blu_jello 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like it could be better if there was a book (novella or super edition) that was from someone in the Tribe and showed personality and differences rather than being from a clan cat's perspective of the Tribe Idk I like the Tribe but definitely agree with the points shown in this Great job with your analysis, it was really well done!
@canopyleaf9152
@canopyleaf9152 3 жыл бұрын
“And always remember to think before you time travel!” This was really interesting and informative! I can’t wait to see what you cover next!
@xRaiofSunshine
@xRaiofSunshine 3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't the Tribe supposed to be Native American inspired as well? I forgot if that was true or not, but if it is, Y I K E S D:
@AudraBurgess
@AudraBurgess 3 жыл бұрын
I got that vibe too but other youtubers say they're Dutch? The narrator in the audio books gives them Dutch accents as well so who knows. Either way it bugs me lol
@TheAshfurApologist
@TheAshfurApologist 3 жыл бұрын
@@AudraBurgess well they fought a mountain lion, pretty sure there aren't any in Dutch land
@fallingskies8991
@fallingskies8991 3 жыл бұрын
I heard they were supposed to be like the Welsh, so who knows lol
@AudraBurgess
@AudraBurgess 3 жыл бұрын
@@fallingskies8991 Yeah that's what it was XD
@lgbtqiarights
@lgbtqiarights 3 жыл бұрын
the books have a huge issue with racism, especially with the tribe.
@cinderheart1315
@cinderheart1315 3 жыл бұрын
talk about the sisters!
@TheAshfurApologist
@TheAshfurApologist 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, even though they hate toms(including their own kin) they are very interesting
@thelanktheist2626
@thelanktheist2626 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheAshfurApologist I hate dudes too, it seems to be inspired by most matriarch-based societies.
@BoredDG995TAY
@BoredDG995TAY Жыл бұрын
Rule 1 of the Tribe: *ALWAYS ASK THUNDERCLAN FOR HELP!* Rule 2: *MESS WITH THUNDERCLAN AND KILL MORE OF THEIR CATS DUE TO PROPHECY* The tribe of rushing water absolutely messes with my brain when I read about them
@Candy-8448
@Candy-8448 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like the tribe didnt work. The clans were cool cuz it was an idea of a group of cats, but they basicly duplicated it and but made them weaker. Its also strange that every few months cats hike up and down mountains with basicly kittens. What we need is a super edution from the perspective of the modern tribe (not DotC tribe) where the clan is not involved or talked about. I also think that it shouldnt'be in the perspective if stormfur since he was originated from the clan. A story from the POV of lark or pine would be good.
@ee8002
@ee8002 3 жыл бұрын
Or maybe something from the Tribe before they met the clans? From Brook's prespective, maybe?
@Candy-8448
@Candy-8448 3 жыл бұрын
@@ee8002 yes, we just need modern tribe with no clan connections
@Kelis98
@Kelis98 2 жыл бұрын
I like the tribe and they worked sometimes
@Candy-8448
@Candy-8448 2 жыл бұрын
@@Kelis98 i guess it is personal opinion but i just feel they were there just to be like "the clans are strong and nothing else is"
@meeplol145
@meeplol145 Жыл бұрын
I feel like they made the tribe so that they could mess up and the clans could help, and so that the clan cats look “better” in compassion to them.
@pepebabushki9376
@pepebabushki9376 3 жыл бұрын
I same here from moonkitti's Community Post, I'm loving your content! Hope you grow big one day.
@josiahsmallwood1413
@josiahsmallwood1413 3 жыл бұрын
I came from Moonkitti's post too!
@Gh0st0w1
@Gh0st0w1 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that this video doesn’t have any dislikes (that I can see at least) warms my heart
@josiahsmallwood1413
@josiahsmallwood1413 3 жыл бұрын
There are four dislikes now >:( . Haters gonna hate.
@Gh0st0w1
@Gh0st0w1 3 жыл бұрын
@@josiahsmallwood1413 >:/// hmph
@josiahsmallwood1413
@josiahsmallwood1413 3 жыл бұрын
Glad I left my own like. She’s a great KZbinr!
@The_-_-
@The_-_- 3 жыл бұрын
Welp, now there’s 8 :(
@SnowcatArt
@SnowcatArt 3 жыл бұрын
I have to disagree on your point that the sisters are the only nuanced group outside of the clans. In Tigerheart's Shadow Dovewing and Tigerheart stay with the guardian cats, who I find extremely interesting! I was so glad when they didn't give up scavenging to hunt in the cold, because is felt like a victory against clan ways!
@Krill_Phil
@Krill_Phil 3 жыл бұрын
For such a new channel you’re making good quality content that I can’t wait to see more of. You just earned yourself a new subscriber!
@JayietheRiverWarrior
@JayietheRiverWarrior 3 жыл бұрын
Hi! I’m Jayie-The-Hufflepuff on DeviantArt. :) I just wanted to let you know that the drawing of Tree that you credited me for was actually drawn by DeviantArt user Mechafeline, and the drawing that follows it of Tree and his family that you credited to Mechafeline is actually mine. I don’t know if there’s any way to correct this (does KZbin still do annotations? I think those got removed a while back), but just wanted to let you know. Thanks for linking to my account in the description! :D
@Sunnyfall
@Sunnyfall 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, so sorry for the mix-up! Thank you for alerting me. I don't see any way to do annotations anymore, unfortunately, but I can put it at the top of the description. (Honestly I really wish the annotation feature still existed.)
@JayietheRiverWarrior
@JayietheRiverWarrior 3 жыл бұрын
@@Sunnyfall No problem! (yeah, I don’t get why they got rid of those, they’re so useful!)
@sunlightblade6145
@sunlightblade6145 3 жыл бұрын
you completely won me over with just two videos and I can't wait for more! your analysis is lovely to listen to and sunnyfall is adorable
@sirbobthemarvelous
@sirbobthemarvelous 3 жыл бұрын
Isolationist settlement + No topics on internal affairs leaves the tribe a very dull location
@dorizelion
@dorizelion 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! It's been a while but I remember reading the parts with Jay's Wing creating the tribes and just wondering... what was the point? What did the tribe really add to the plot of the series overall? But most of all it was always weird how they kept showing that a clan lifestyle doesn't work in the mountains where the territory is too big to patrol effectively, yet that's never addressed and the tribe just have to accept the clan way of life?? It could have been done so much better and more interesting
@meowbug
@meowbug 3 жыл бұрын
very well made ❤ can't wait to see more from you!
@quicksilverchaos4122
@quicksilverchaos4122 3 жыл бұрын
I'm happy you used Jayie's art! She's an amazing artist. :3
@stripefur74
@stripefur74 3 жыл бұрын
How you have so small amount of subscribers? You deserve more. I love your artstyle, your cat animation and your voice and things you talk about like this Tribe problem. I never liked Tribe myself. I felt it was just made for getting extra pages to book
@yawninglion1677
@yawninglion1677 2 жыл бұрын
I'd love a Tribe-focused Novella or Special Edition. I want to see them get fleshed out and have struggles unrelated to the Clans.
@ShelbyMine
@ShelbyMine 3 жыл бұрын
Wow this is so accurate and in depth! Great job, wishes to you for your channel to grow. I’ll send your channel to everyone I know!
@Kenneth_Makes_Content
@Kenneth_Makes_Content 3 жыл бұрын
1. Well researched 2. Nice voice 3. Great structure I like this!! Where are your subs my guy
@delph7865
@delph7865 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, you got a tiny but mighty channel there! I enjoyed your vids so much!!!
@mooneatsworms
@mooneatsworms 3 жыл бұрын
mm warriors commentary, thank you i was feeling very hungry
@iwakeupandboomimarat
@iwakeupandboomimarat 3 жыл бұрын
honestly the tribe has just been turned into a once per arc fun group activity to go see stormfur and/or something to pad out super editions or novellas. i do not like the tribe however i am still mad that flipclaw didnt join them bc he and feather were absolutely a couple and they were cute
@meteor4623
@meteor4623 3 жыл бұрын
You deserve way more subscribers, keep up the good work!
@joceyyy_
@joceyyy_ 3 жыл бұрын
Welcome to another episode of I found a small underrated warrior cats KZbinr!
@lazer_kat_4673
@lazer_kat_4673 3 жыл бұрын
isn't BloodClan the first non-clan group we meet?
@olivergardener5285
@olivergardener5285 3 жыл бұрын
Its considered a clan since it has the basics needed for clan. And it calls itself a clan, so it technically isn't a "non-clan"
@caterpillarplanet
@caterpillarplanet 3 жыл бұрын
its the colonialist culture seeping into the writing for me. even the concept that near every other group outside of the clans either needs to be saved and turned into the clans or killed off is uh, to put it lightly, racist and colonialism. what the hell erinsl
@ee8002
@ee8002 3 жыл бұрын
Also every group's way of living is "wrong", but the clan life is "flawless" and this is always the case in every book where clans meet different groups (Sisters, Tribe, Guardians, Rouges, etc)
@snowyyzoe
@snowyyzoe 3 жыл бұрын
Yup. Not to mention non-cat characters are always written off as stupid or violent (look at the dogs in the series). Having an entire group in your story fit into one negative mold is...hard not to feel racist.
@legrandliseurtri7495
@legrandliseurtri7495 2 жыл бұрын
Indeed. Another example: I find it hilarious how when Darktail takes over shadowclan, or rather is given power willingly, the other clans instantly decide they must '''help'' shadowclan by invading them.
@miniperico4499
@miniperico4499 3 жыл бұрын
This will be the next big warrior cat youtuber. I can fell it
@Delia.f08
@Delia.f08 Жыл бұрын
Ok, I can't hold it in any longer, I gotta say it: The Tribe was actually more important than it seems at least in "Moonrise". If the Tribe would not have sheltered the six travelling cats, would they have still made it back to their Clans? NO! They would have died freezing and starving (is mentioned in the book that Leaf-bare was around the corner), and all of the Clans would have been lost to the Twolegs' destruction! And even though Feathertail died, there was still her brother, Stormfur, that could deliver the message about the Clans needing to find a new home. And guess what? Stormfur himself became a tribe cat because he felt at home there more than in any Clan (check his Warriors Wiki page, there's a quote about that) Also, Fun Fact: Vicky said that the Tribe of Rushing Water was made in honour of the horrors of 9/11 and Kate said that the Tribe was her favourite group outside the Clans
@NixFaerie
@NixFaerie 2 жыл бұрын
I liked them in greystrip's vow. I think you get a glimps of what they could be in that- they certainly show off how powerful they can be and Stonefur at least gets a bit of interesting characterization. The solidification that their afterlife exists ont he same plane but is still wholly separate and unaffected by starclan is also more interesting in the context of existing alongside the sister's afterlife and mroe significantly warriorclan's starclan 2.0. I wish they did something with that fact beyond feathertail being able to get a small but ultimately pointless communication to her father but it's at least a start...
@ZirconiaGacha
@ZirconiaGacha 2 жыл бұрын
I kinda want to talk about one of the two backstories for an OC, Twigsnap (or Twig Snap, as his Tribe name would be). They're either born into RiverClan or they were a Tribe cat that got Graystripe'd (brought to Twolegplace). He then escapes and becomes a loner on the Clan territories. That one's kinda important. Right after he gets out of being a Twoleg pet, Twig Snap is obviously confused as to why these forest cats are so hostile. He runs off to find RiverClan being somewhat more hospitable, with an apprentice helping him out secretly. Twig once again moves when this apprentice starts pushing him to join his "Clan", where he would be welcomed. Not wanting to give up his heritage and beliefs, he starts travelling around to catch prey, becoming somewhat of a common invader. What I'm trying to say is how the Clans overall treat non-Clan groups: pushy and assimilating towards them. Twig Snap here wants to still believe in the Tribe of Endless Hunting, but to get near any sort of thing similar to his Tribe he has to give that up and possibly never see his ancestors again in any way. That kinda needs to change.
@vanillakoffee
@vanillakoffee 3 жыл бұрын
woah woah!! a new warriors commentary channel and a good one at that! can't wait to see more :O
@astralwyrm3787
@astralwyrm3787 2 жыл бұрын
What you have to bear in mind is that the tribe was always going to be depicted as the inferior group within the narrative. Just as Skyclan is also depicted as an inferior group up until it joins up with the 4 clans by the lake. They perhaps get better treated only because of the whole kittypet co-operation angle and being set up by Firestar. The reason they are depicted as inferior groups is they are a demonstration of what Tigerstar and Brokenstar wanted for the clans. And in stark contrast to what the clan's warrior ancestors laid down as the best system for the continued existence of them all. One unnaccountable clan vs multiple keeping each other accountable. One is more stable... except every new threat leads to an existential crisis because they are isolated as one group , they don't know how to adapt and have no one to turn to for help. The other has more conflict but when the existential crisis comes they are better prepared to adapt to the situation and work together. Outside forces may choose to take for granted the potential unity of the clans in a crisis and they will pay dearly for it. To be fair to the tribe though the authors never give them any wins at all which is a bit harsh and maybe the problem is that what the tribe cats are good at (being hyper specialised to live in the mountains) and their weakness (External threats and new unfamilliar problems) doesn't leave much room for a good story.
@taylorstevens5394
@taylorstevens5394 3 жыл бұрын
Hi hi hi!!! I saw your channel from Moonkitti and you are amazing!
@ravem410
@ravem410 2 жыл бұрын
And don’t forget, (Spoilers) in skyclans’s destiny, the group rogue’s led by Stick? They needed help from Skyclan as well because they needed “borders” to live beside the other rogue group. I feel like finding any other way to for them to co-exist would’ve been fine, but yet again do outsider’s need to adapt to the clan’s ways.
@moondune6330
@moondune6330 3 жыл бұрын
Woo! I was your 1000th subscriber!
@KaeserLooty
@KaeserLooty 3 жыл бұрын
I thi k u forgot the journeying cats, which were actually nice to read about, no bash on their culture and important to the plot, wish they appeared again as call back to the super edition, but nothing because CLANS ARE THE BEST RIGHT?? *being gunpoint by editors team*
@Viva_Cynefin
@Viva_Cynefin 3 жыл бұрын
wow amazing your channel is underrated you deserve more views ! 🤩
@jonah2977
@jonah2977 3 жыл бұрын
I LOVE YOUR VOICE SO MUCH AAAA
@seriouscat1760
@seriouscat1760 3 жыл бұрын
this was a great video! i subscribed and cant wait for the next one ^^
@Kelis98
@Kelis98 2 жыл бұрын
While not my favorite I do enjoy them and don’t find them boring or harmful to the story or world at all It enhances the story and world Also bloodclan is the first new group seen, not the tribe The new prophecy didn’t lack characterization, it had lots of it, each character was distinct especially the main characters. Squirrelflight, Brambleclaw, Stonefur, Feathertail, Leafpool, crowfeather, etc are all good The tribe isn’t lifeless, some cats we haven’t been explored yet Yeah they aren’t my favorite part but it’s still good/fine They aren’t boring or badly made and are intriguing They need help from the clans to have them in the story but I agree seeing new groups is interesting The sisters are interesting I agree There’s also the guardian cats
@meeplol145
@meeplol145 Жыл бұрын
First of all: all of this is your opinion and is not correct. I do not believe Feathertail and Stormfur had personality and thought they had pretty bland tom and she-cat personalities. For the tribe, I do believe they are lifeless. Not many of them have personality and anytime we go to the tribe the book doesn’t decide to explore it when they have the chance. Yes, we may get to see the tribe in the future but for now, Dawn Of The Clans has the best version the tribe.
@littlewolf3981
@littlewolf3981 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, your a very talented artist!
@josiahsmallwood1413
@josiahsmallwood1413 3 жыл бұрын
Truth. Love her cat persona's expressions!
@confusedg9736
@confusedg9736 3 жыл бұрын
I’m liking this detail
@liz6595
@liz6595 3 жыл бұрын
Here cuz moonkitti but stayed cuz I'm actually interested
@Emma-mj3pz
@Emma-mj3pz 3 жыл бұрын
please make a video on dawn of the clans!! it's my favorite arc
@josiahsmallwood1413
@josiahsmallwood1413 3 жыл бұрын
Underrated! My second favorite series after the original!
@lilaniloxi
@lilaniloxi 3 жыл бұрын
Aha, my new warrior cats rant youtuber Love the video!
@avontaeclintonstudios
@avontaeclintonstudios 3 жыл бұрын
You lowkey deserve more attention
@galehunter2519
@galehunter2519 3 жыл бұрын
Remember me when you get big one day.
@TheAnimationStationTAS
@TheAnimationStationTAS 3 жыл бұрын
Hoping you get more recognition.
@lettuce_soup5557
@lettuce_soup5557 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like if the clan was introduced in the beginning by saving the clan cats instead(maybe there’s a blizzard or rock slide)
@Greatwolfpearl123
@Greatwolfpearl123 2 жыл бұрын
The Tribe is an interesting thing in the Series, but it could've been used much better. The writers still have time to help it out!
@wander7324
@wander7324 3 жыл бұрын
The tribe had the chance to be good but i feel like early in writing something got fucked up and was pretty much unfixable
@zanecruse5132
@zanecruse5132 2 жыл бұрын
Personally I hope we get a series on the tribe
@intentionaldisaster6758
@intentionaldisaster6758 3 жыл бұрын
This is a great video!
@alicessmallworld6199
@alicessmallworld6199 3 жыл бұрын
I really like your vid, so I suscribe 😊
@jittercritter
@jittercritter 3 жыл бұрын
New subscriber! Loved the video
@dreamiinotdream730
@dreamiinotdream730 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. The tribe doesn’t have any substance other than damsels for, and let’s be honest here, ThunderClan to save and be even more of a cult than the clans are. After Tnp I loathe the tribe and would’ve preferred Stormfur and Brook to have remained with the Clans because when they were clan cats we learned more about them as a couple and as individuals then we ever did when they’re at the home they love so much.
@grimm6176
@grimm6176 2 жыл бұрын
there ought to be a rewrite of warriors but include the suggestions and rewrites and AUs that the fans created to make the story better
@runtyartist
@runtyartist 2 жыл бұрын
Wait question, wouldn't SkyClan be the first other group of cats we meet? I read Firestar's Quest between the first and second series, and I do believe that Firestar named Leafpool after Leafstar, the leader of Skyclan
@Sunnyfall
@Sunnyfall 2 жыл бұрын
Chronologically from the cats' perspective, that is true. But Firestar's Quest came out after The Sight, the first book in the Power of Three arc and long after we had met Leafpool and the Tribe.
@TheSilliestGoof
@TheSilliestGoof 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, honestly, the Tribe is a mess. I remember my friend and I were taking about it because we were reading through TNP, which has the Tribe in it. I honestly find the books with the Tribe (the current one, I have yet to read through all of DoTC) very boring. _I’m talking about spoilers for some books down here._ Outcast honestly isn’t that memorable, as nothing too important happens from what I can remember. The only thing I really remember about it is that Lionpaw beat some cats up or something. The same goes for Sign of the Moon but I found it a bit more memorable because that’s when Stoneteller died. I have read a bit of DoTC, and it seems pretty interesting. Like always, the Tribe was in trouble, yada-yada. I do like that the Tribe actually had some sort of character development for their characters in that series though. Like you said, the Tribe now just seems dull and full of cardboard cutouts for cats.
@legrandliseurtri7495
@legrandliseurtri7495 2 жыл бұрын
The most relevant things that happen in outcast&sign of the moon is both about the past basically. 1)Jayfeather learns that the tribe and the clans are somehow related because the power of three prophecy is known to both. 2)Jayfeather goes back in time to convince Half-Moon and the others to stay in the mountains.
@iceluvndiva21
@iceluvndiva21 Жыл бұрын
OK....why is dawn of the clans not as popular? That arc was freaking awesome!!
@evethedragon4484
@evethedragon4484 3 жыл бұрын
Don't mind me, just leaving a friendly comment on a cool video for out great commander t h e a l g o r i t h m
@amberfairy2143
@amberfairy2143 2 жыл бұрын
What if the mother is blind What will the kit/kits be named
@FriedEgg_Oden
@FriedEgg_Oden 3 жыл бұрын
600th subscriber
@meowparties
@meowparties 3 жыл бұрын
subscribed!
@jayfox4291
@jayfox4291 6 ай бұрын
As a kid i liked the tribe. As an adult. TNP visits were ok. TPO3 visit sucked.
@lgbtqiarights
@lgbtqiarights 3 жыл бұрын
hey i think you should pin a link to the masterpost covering the racism in warrior cats!!
@fwuffy_cloud
@fwuffy_cloud 3 жыл бұрын
Unrelated but I like your username.. :3
@lgbtqiarights
@lgbtqiarights 3 жыл бұрын
@@fwuffy_cloud ty!
@F1zzyp0pz
@F1zzyp0pz 3 жыл бұрын
616 subs for you uwu
@Tohru_Adacher
@Tohru_Adacher 3 жыл бұрын
moonkitti sent me
@wilhelmklink5848
@wilhelmklink5848 3 жыл бұрын
Excuse me Sunny can I ask you some questions if it's ok with you?
@Sunnyfall
@Sunnyfall 3 жыл бұрын
Feel free
@wilhelmklink5848
@wilhelmklink5848 3 жыл бұрын
@@Sunnyfall ok here we go. 1 would you like to voice Silvia the silver cat in Thomas and the Little Mermaid Adventures Season 5 episode 10 The Warrior Cats of Sodor? 2 do you like animals? 3 would you like to be my friend? 4 do you have a favorite Disney or Non-Disney movie? 5 have you ever done voice acting before? 6 do you have a favorite Disney or Non-Disney character? 7 how did you come up with your YT channel name? 8 what kind of animals do you like? 9 do you have a favorite KZbinr? 10 have you ever been to Disney World or Disneyland before? 11 did you know that I'm doing a remake of The Lion King the movie?
@cryptid6279
@cryptid6279 2 жыл бұрын
shit i just realized i forgot to sub to you 😭😭
@BK-is5fj
@BK-is5fj 2 жыл бұрын
Biggest problem with the tribe is it’s existence. The whole thing is cultural appropriation to Indigenous people So is the word “medicine cat” *shudders* an indigenous person said that tribes often had someone that dealt with healing herbs and treated wounds. They were very spiritual and called MEDICINE PERSON
@rayvengoodman3120
@rayvengoodman3120 3 жыл бұрын
I love the Tribe lol
@AudraBurgess
@AudraBurgess 3 жыл бұрын
I wanna sub but I don't wanna break the 666 count
@coreyjoyner6891
@coreyjoyner6891 3 жыл бұрын
Bol cool
@thermalbread6274
@thermalbread6274 3 жыл бұрын
Hello :3
@sketchycatdash
@sketchycatdash 3 жыл бұрын
It’s boring
@Stormwolf4
@Stormwolf4 3 жыл бұрын
So much detail about a group of cats that are barely there. You did an amazing job going over what few info that there are about these cats, and pointing out the many flaws!
@withercat
@withercat 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! however I got the vibes you were leaning a bit hard on jayfeather about the time travel stuff, when I feel pointing out how Rock basically forced Jayfeather to make half-moon stoneteller could have led to some interesting points about how even the narrative of the books say the tribe is forced and hamfisted as even the cats who created the tribes had to be forced into it by outside forces of destiny
@Sunnyfall
@Sunnyfall 3 жыл бұрын
It's less that I blame Jayfeather and more that I find it problematic that a cat from outside the Tribe had so much sway over it's past, present, and future. It's just another way in which the Tribe is wholly dependent on and even defined by a relationship with the clans. But you're right. It's not all Jayfeather's fault, of course. And honestly the fact that Jayfeather had a hand in the Tribe's founding is really interesting to me from a storytelling perspective.
@tessa_hs1827
@tessa_hs1827 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with all of this- the tribe is a cool idea but i really wish they got more interesting stories and they weren’t presented as so terrible they constantly need saving from the clan cats. Great video! Keep it up
@altos5069
@altos5069 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I just discovered your channel, and I'm very impressed by the quality of your arguments. It's refreshing to see analysis videos as well-researched and cogent as your own. I can't wait to see what you cover next! 😊 I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on Crowfeather's Trial, and on the family dynamic of Crow/Night/Breeze, in general. The fandom consensus on these characters, their actions, moral qualities, and especially on their characterization in Crow's SE, has shifted substantially in recent years. I'd love to hear your two cents on the matter. 😊 I'd also be interested in hearing your thoughts on Tigerheart's Shadow, as another suggestion. 😋
@forg6935
@forg6935 3 жыл бұрын
YES, this is great. New sub
@bupstertarvin6468
@bupstertarvin6468 Жыл бұрын
I personally enjoyed jayfeather stopping a time paradox. It’s funny to have time travel in cat book.
@DanielCollins-m2y
@DanielCollins-m2y 2 ай бұрын
I read the book you talked about 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😅😅😂😂😂😂😅😅😅😂😅😂😅😅😅😂😅😅
@Pyralis
@Pyralis 3 жыл бұрын
Just discovered your channel and gotta say I'm enjoying the way you explain things, would watch an hr long video of you talking about stuff :')
@Jasmine-gt3qd
@Jasmine-gt3qd 3 жыл бұрын
Spoilers for GreyStripes Vow- I wish FlipClaw stayed with the tribe because he was already feeling like an outsider in ThunderClan and had just been rejected by his love interest. Him staying with the tribe would have made so much more sense
@thundrJade2
@thundrJade2 3 жыл бұрын
Your content is fantastic! Keep up the great work!
@Amanecer458
@Amanecer458 3 жыл бұрын
I miss this kind of videos in the actuality.
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