The “tribe” year reign of Christ?

[@AMoniqueOcampo]

Chilios "chil-ee-ohs" sound like chili mixed with Spaghetti-Os.

[@soldiernomore3843]

Could anything be more gross?

[@jennifersilves4195]

Tuna in mac n cheese? Ramen packet gravy. ​@@soldiernomore3843

[@kaptainkool408]

I want a plate of some Chilli-O's

[@alanb8884]

Shut up and take my money!

[@cedarwaxwing3509]

Somebody call Chef Boy-ar-Dee!

[@annemariededekind6271]

Dan, this is the reason why Scholarship is so important.. Thank you once again. Love your work.

[@DoloresLehmann]

Honestly, that face alone that you make around 0:15 would have been a fully sufficient answer, but thank you so much that again, you sum up all your patience to inform us about the facts.

[@kaptainkool408]

Bargain store Dave Ghrol got his ass handed to him Got that historical and academic smack down.

[@HumbleHerman]

I’m a nonbeliever but interested in the secular / historical meaning of Scripture ; I really dig DM and his rock solid analysis.

[@TheMesomovie]

These guys are all over the place. They spout this stuff so confidently that those of us with some inkling that it is BS have to assume they are grifters, but others just listen and assume they're right. Thanks Dan, great video!!!

[@nezz0r]

I think the most dangerous aspect about this is the confidence with which they speak. They speak so confidently that if someone doesn't know it better it "feels" true.

[@djfrank68]

Dave Grohl should stick to music, and leave Biblical criticism to the experts.

[@rainbowkrampus]

Learning some Greek again I believe I have waited long enough Where do I begin?

[@JayWest14]

My exact thought!!😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@MJUltra42]

I know it always says at the start not to talk about the person's appearance but hot damn this guy looks like Dave Grohl's brother or something

[@clintonsmith8215]

Great value Dave Grohl

[@TheJohnStone]

@@clintonsmith8215nah, he’s the dollar tree brand

[@TheBackyardProfessor]

Dan's stare after the guy says stay with me if your IQ is over 33....😅😅😅

[@JopJio]

You became one of my favourite biblical scholars next to James Tabor, Bart Ehrman, Kipp Davis and Joshua Bowen. I find it also funny that Christians today are obsessed with Judaism, they take over their culture and want to be portrayed as jewish, learn 5 or 6 Jewish words like "Yeshua", while early church fathers wanted themselves to be distinct from Judaism and anything Hebrew. And when i criticise the fact that the gospels were not written in Hebrew or Aramaic, what would be logically since Jesus and his apostles would have spoken Aramaic publicly, they suddenly defend the Greek influence and dismiss anything Hebrew. The same when i ask them why they dont keept the sabbath or food laws, then they suddenly dismiss Judaism too. Or when I point out the usage of Greek man made translations of the Lxx, then suddenly Hebrew is not more important.

[@JopJio]

​@@MrMortal_Ra i added Josh Bowen and Kipp Davis to the list. James Tabor is one of my favourites because he is a specialist when it comes to James the Just and Paul. Definitely worthy to at least watch some of his videos on Paul or James or the development of the resurrection.

[@cedarwaxwing3509]

@@MrMortal_Ra What’s a “G”?

[@cedarwaxwing3509]

@@MrMortal_Ra Thank you. I’m old and the language has evolved beyond where I apparently lost my ability to absorb new things.

[@fnjesusfreak]

@@MrMortal_Ra funny thing is, in the circles where "G" and "OG" originate...that's never been what it meant nor how it was understood. It comes from a cult called the Nation of Gods and Earths, and stands for "god" (based on the idea that the black man is, individually and corporately, God) - which is why I stopped using either term.

[@fnjesusfreak]

@@beemixsy It is literally that, but it's what those circles believe and teach; as I said they're called Nation of Gods and Earths, you can look it up, e.g., on Wikipedia.

[@candyfromtexas6855]

I love watching these videos of yours Dan....cuz I know I'm 'bout to get schooled!.. 😂😂😂😂

[@KhalerJex]

the level of arrogance of that guy is absurd

[@theoutspokenhumanist]

I dont recall ever being that confident of something about which I knew nothing. This individual has clearly not done his own research or scholarship but has simply beleived someone else, presumably also online. I would say that is surprising but it is precisely what all religious beleivers do about everything asserted by their chosen religion.

[@Thoughtful_Theologian]

Actually, at least one study (i want to say studies, but I don’t have time to check on that) has been conducted that indicates when people know less about something they are typically more confident about their position even in the face of evidence to the contrary.

[@theoutspokenhumanist]

@@Thoughtful_Theologian It's called the Dunning-Kruger effect after the people who carried out the study.

[@Thoughtful_Theologian]

@@theoutspokenhumanistI want to say what I read was a more narrow study with different parameters building on that work, but I might be wrong.

[@fergusfitzgerald977]

I have a nice quote here from a Poem by Alexander Pope : "An Essay on Criticism" " A little learning is a dangerous thing Drink deep or taste not the Pierian Spring There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain but drinking largely sobers us again " He has so many wise and witty quotes in his poems - still very relevant today.

[@toddbarton1049]

I had a teacher that would say "You know just enough to be dangerous" and as I got further into my engineering degree, I realized just how true those words were. Few things are as frustrating and humbling as thinking you know how to build a circuit only to have it blow up.

[@fergusfitzgerald977]

@@toddbarton1049 My subject was Electronics as well and I had similar learning experiences 👍!

[@RafaelSCalsaverini]

Oof. That was EMBARRASSING. If I was that guy I'd disappear from publicly talking about this for a while.

[@Zeett09]

Thanks Dan. The guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about but at least he’s coming back next year to play QB for the Utes.

[@masterbulgokov]

Dunning-Kruger effect here. I'm not sure I've seen any of these folks quite as desperate to tell their story and force the Bible into agreeing with it.

[@BabyHoolighan]

This creator reminds me of my 10th grade science report where I called B.F. Skinner B.F. Goodrich.

[@JayWest14]

Dan, did you really just cook David Grohl???🤣🤣🤣

[@jimhunt1592]

This creator is a great example of the Dunning-Kruger effect. We often see it expressed as a person is too stupid to realize they are stupid, but that is not what the authors were saying. It is better stated as a person is too naïve to understand how naïve they really are. So the person believes they are well informed i.e. an authority on a subject when in fact they are barely knowledgeable about that subject. Or another way to say it is, they have such a limited knowledge that they unaware of all the holes in their knowledge. Either way, that is a great description of this creator.

[@cedarwaxwing3509]

Well, he did start his rant by saying that anyone with an IQ over 33 would be able to understand that. Since he tells us that Hebrew is made up of both numbers and letters, I assert that the number/letter for thirty-three translates as “This is my IQ.”

[@macmac1022]

#1 If you were brainwashed would you know it? #2 If someone said they had a test for brainwashing, would you want to take it? #3 If they then said, if you cannot answer these questions, that means your brainwashed, would you be giving it 100% effort to answer those questions? All criminals are caught red handed of murder 100% guilty and show no remorse. The judges always apply the perfect amount of punishment. All things being equal and for arguments sake. Now I will give an example. There are 4 judges and 10 guilty criminals. Judge #1 orders punishment for all 10 criminals and does not forgive without punishment a single one. Judge #2 forgives without punishment all 10 criminals. Judge #3 forgives without punishment 9 of them and punishes 1 of them. Judge #4 punishes 9 of them and forgives without punishment 1 of them. #4 Which judge is the most/maximally just? #5 Which judge is the most/maximally forgiving? #6 Is judge #3 either most/maximally forgiving or most just? #7 Is judge #4 most/maximally forgiving or most just? #8 Is it possible for any judge to be both most/maximally forgiving and most/maximally just?

[@masterbulgokov]

HA! "Dunning-Kruger" was my first thought, too! The Information Age has produced an entire generation of people who make a mess with a little bit of info, and very little thought.

[@cedarwaxwing3509]

You can always tell their argument is not even worth listening to when they start slinging around (and misusing) the names of logical fallacies, particularly “ad hominem” and “straw man.” Those are the only two that most apologists and right wing commenters know, and they inevitably misuse them.

[@ivanpenaloza2905]

Dan’s passive aggressiveness cuts deep.

[@Wandering_Vet]

It was the unmitigated arrogance at the beginning for me 😂

[@villageroadgranite]

Darn, Dr. Dan...

[@SciPunk215]

Preacher Dude has the unfortunate combination of arrogance and ignorance. I'm afraid his arrogance will force him to embrace, rather than reject the ignorance.

[@benniepatton6544]

That is well said. None of the rest of us said it as well. Bravo Zulu.

[@flowingafterglow629]

This is what happens when someone thinks "translation" means looking up words in Strong' Concordance, but has no comprehension of the language.

[@goldenalt3166]

Yep. Any argument that's based on biblical translation being wrong is highly dubious. The translations are some of the most scrutinized and reviewed works.

[@AllenJohn]

I don't think there is a religion as much Christianity that has caused such worldwide confusion.

[@scottjohnson2658]

I just have to say that I appreciate you always use data as a plural noun.

[@bgmac1219]

at around the halfway point I was thinking about that crying krusty burglar kid from the Simpsons...

[@ThinkAboutIt-xr1le]

If there’s something on KZbin more entertaining than Dan waving away bad Bible takes with scholarship and a thorough knowledge of ancient languages , I haven’t found it.

[@stevebeary4988]

Love the humour

[@clintonsmith8215]

I want to know how many of these people say, “oh thanks for the correction” vs just doubling down

[@benniepatton6544]

Dave intended his audience to be only those who knew nothing about Greek so he could sound "knowledgeable". Dang it Dan, you made me look like a buffon with an IQ of less than 33.

[@MrSthotwhelz]

Tone and approach matter. OP messed up big time.

[@stephenspackman5573]

0:14 The best part by far.

[@dannyboyakadandaman504furl9]

Where did these people come from???

[@GoodieWhiteHat]

His self righteous indignation over Bible mistranslation is funny. How dare they get 1000 mixed up with ‘tribe’ (tch, grumble, eye roll) let me just put it in my own pot of self declared wisdom and give it a shake of fairytale mixed with a generous dollop of hubris and see what I come up with. Oh look an even bigger tangled mess of mistranslation.

[@benniepatton6544]

Dave likes to hear himself, and he likes everything he hears.

[@be1tube]

6:52 As Dan points out, the Hebrew for 40 has nothing to do with judgement. However, 40 is often associated with judgement/testing in dispensationalist circles. It's interesting to hear it from a preterist.

[@BracesForImpact]

Uh oh. Someone saw an argument online they already agreed with and decided to try to pass themself off as an "expert".

[@timandmonica]

I would pay real money to see him respond to you point by point and actually deal with what you say.

[@Jasn_Chvz]

Owned

[@ThatsNotMyWife]

Just a thought experiment, but it would be cool if we could all learn Hebrew and Aramaic, then read the OT in its original languages. After the shock wears off, perhaps we'd have a lot fewer people arguing about what the NT says at all. Just to keep it real, though, I barely have a grasp of my native English, so I will be happy to have folks like Dan continue to enlighten me on these subjects.

[@mereditholeander3945]

small note on transliteration of sounds: i'm not sure if you meant to use the IPA when you wrote in between forward slashes, but that implies a phonemic transcription to me, and if it is a phonemic transcription it should look a bit different. "chilios" in modern greek starts with /ç/, and this other creator's incorrect version of it starts with /tʃʰ/. and i couldn't resist checking that etymology of "alphabet". etymonline says it simply came from greek "alpha" and "beta", and there's no mention of the "bet" coming from hebrew. the hebrew letter bet is indeed related to the greek beta, but that is entirely separate from the origin of the word "alphabet" in english (and greek and latin before it).

[@KatelynHyde]

I never get tired of stupid people calling everyone else stupid, as long as they do it far away from me.

[@TheAntiburglar]

The video is interesting and all, but what's up with your pinkie? I saw that bandaid! DON'T GO GETTING HURT, DAN, WE NEED YOU TO EXPLAIN THINGS AND WEAR COOL SHIRTS! 🥺

[@alanb8884]

Tribe years = Halcyon days? 😂

[@sp4nky66]

I love the new stoner hermeneutics 🍿

[@SceptiCleric]

You probably know this but the saints vs angels flip is coming from Jude and 1 Enoch 1: "Lo, he comes with ten thousand of his holy ones..." I assume that's been blended with Matthew 25's "when the son of man comes... and all the angels with him."

[@BrianSchafer-p1y]

Oh, the mental and spiritual contortions and twisting to explain away the bankruptcy of the belief in scriptural infallibility and univocality.

[@ritawing1064]

The word "hundred" had a similar use in English denoting county sectors. Now obsolete but preserved in the "Chiltern Hundreds"

[@ELCAPATAZ]

Are you telling me I have been pronouncing Cheerios incorrectly this whole time?

[@LoveAllAnimals101]

This is why we need to understand one thing about religion: that it's a manifestion of imagination.

[@franklehouillier8865]

Imagine being a perfect being giving a divine revelation to a dude for the purpose of creating an inerrant text and having him completely mistranslate "tribe" as "1000".

[@Thoughtful_Theologian]

Yikes…And, as someone who knows Greek and Hebrew, I wish this kind of thing was uncommon, however, it is not. I used to have these kinds of conversations (then moved to theology) then I would stop people after they begin to say “the Greek or Hebrew word means…” and ask them what if they have learned either language. 9.75/10 times the answer would be no so I would kindly end the conversation. Just because I have cursory knowledge of black holes does not mean I am able to hold a conversation with a theoretical physicist about them.

[@ThatBernie]

Did I just witness somebody get murdered 😳

[@KedarOthort]

Hell I haven't even studied Greek in any formal setting, just casual stuff that comes up when I'm reading or listening to stuff about translation histories, and I knew he pronounced that wrong. He should be embarrassed that he fucked that up so hard.

[@davesvens8697]

"Elef" doesnt mean "a tribe". "Shevvet" means a tribe.

[@tierfreund780]

if there was a literal revelation it was pretty clearly conveyed in images, he's talking about what he saw, and he's using greek to do that

[@bengreen171]

grand use of the word 'legion'.

[@Sportliveonline]

great obsevations~~now what it is more importatnt is any of what the writers wrote down in the first place true in the first place

[@josefpollard6271]

I suppose there was zero importance for Jesus to say it is finished from the cross instead of the resurrection. Upholding the law (one in particular: thou shall no commit murder) only to fulfill the law by being murdered.....

[@josefpollard6271]

In addition I would like to add: that going outside of the Jewish peoples to have Romans to do their dirty work; exonerates them of NOTHING. Here in America as it is with other places (I'm sure) the hitman and his/her benefactor go down for the same crime. Just a disgusting attempt to keep their hands clean of the blood they demand. They knew better, it's in their writings (Proverbs 1:10-11). They can deny the "New Testament" all they like, they can not deny their involvement.....

[@KasperKatje]

But it was all god's plan: without the lousy "sacrifice" of (part of) himself to himself the sins of Christians would not be forgiven. So Christians should thank the Jews instead of having started antisemitism, pogroms etc.

[@glenwillson5073]

So seems Dan understands the 1,000 years of Revelation actually means 1,000 years. And I'm sure he knows, John says Revelation is prophecy. But does he think a 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth is prophesied in the Bible?

[@KravMagoo]

"The word '1000' in Hebrew means elef." Uh, when you have trouble negotiating your native language, it doesn't breed confidence in onlookers that you are nailing the non-native material. What you probably meant, dude, is something akin to, "The word FOR "one thousand" in Hebrew IS elef." Small errors such as these are an indication that similar (or even greater) errors are likely to be present. Just because we live in an age where "oh, you know what I meant" is considered a valid comeback for shoddy language usage, one should understand that such inaccuracy WILL extend into other areas of communication...and fwiw, accurate language usage is one of the more intense domains of human cognitive activity. Everyday speech is tee-ball...the kind of speech needed to negotiate the rigors of academic thought is major league. The difference is vast. And, no, that is not a tornado...it is the wrath of God giving you the courtesy of a "shut yer piehole...or else." I jest...but, not sure that the whirlwind was a jest.

[@Guishan_Lingyou]

Point taken about the mispronunciation of Greek. That said, every once in a while you might come across someone who is self-taught from books, who comes across as ignorant because they have not had the benefit of speaking with educated people, even though they know the meanings of the words they mispronounce. I guess that is much less likely now that the Internet is a thing. Edit: Just to be completely clear I am not suggesting that the individual featured in this video knows what he is talking about.

[@tussk.]

So, even with your explanation of just how wrong this guy is, I'm still not sure what he was trying to say. Was it that Jesus wouldn't return until the 12 tribes and thier houses were destroyed? Except apparently he did, in 66CE, meaning that all of those Christians waiting for the second coming are around 1950 years late. He made no sense at all.

[@dustinellerbe4125]

Youre correct that each author tells their own story, but christians take the bible to be a whole. If thats the case, there are things that must take place if other things take place. So, this lends credence to certain types of interpretation and putting the texts together as a whole.

[@cedarwaxwing3509]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t Dan’s quotes in this video and others pertaining to (paraphrasing) “different authors writing to different audiences for different purposes” sort of scuttle the concept of “Bible as a whole?”

[@dustinellerbe4125]

@cedarwaxwing3509 yes, I agree with that. My comment was about those who are Christians who take the Bible as a whole narrative. They try to make the texts as whole make sense. If that's the case, then views like full preterism make more sense of what the texts say collectively.

[@cedarwaxwing3509]

@@dustinellerbe4125 I see. Thanks for expanding your comment for me.

[@AndrewFullerton]

This may be a somewhat un"orthodox" analogy, but I like to view the Bible like the Star Wars franchise. Let me explain. The overly ambitious low budget adventure film (ANH), CGI-fueled nightmare of slapstick and genocide (AotC), and a 2.5 hour long exercise in deliberately pissing off the fanboys (TLJ) were all made over the span of decades and with wildly different contexts and artistic goals, yet there is enough of a shared history/inherited library of common reference points that you can still make observations about Star Wars as a whole. The comparison gets even better when you factor in all of the games/novels/comics from over the years. Such a plurality of different authors in different mediums, often targetting different audiences, and bringing a their own interpretation of the corpus as a whole into their entry into it. Does the fact that Kreia from KotOR II and Dexter Jetster from the 50's diner scene of AotC feel like they belong in different universes mean that there aren't common threads tying the franchise together (the hand of destiny, the duality of good and evil, laser swords go swish swish, etc)? Of course not! You just have to be aware of which parts you take as gospel (hah) and which parts you are dismissing as a result and accept that a plurality of meanings can coexist in tandem like notes in an increasingly cacophonous chord.

[@jackula4298]

Got em

[@lollellie]

I'm going to study biblical interpretation, write a book and name it "Absolutely No Data... Whatsoever" so Dan will cite me as proof of every BS claim on the Internet.

[@jsto6056]

I'll give this one to you. He has no clue.

[@honder1866]

Wow.

[@macmac1022]

People of all kinds please state if you are christian or muslim, atheists, agnostics or any combination of those and then if willing participate in the test. As well, looking for 5 good moral theist questions for atheists/agnostics. #1 You see a child drowning in a shallow pool and notice a person just watching that is able to save the child with no risk to themselves but is not, is that persons non action moral? #2 If you go to save the child, the man tells you to stop as he was told it was for the greater good, but he does not know what that is, do you continue to save the child? #3 Is it an act of justice to punish innocent people for the crimes of others? #4 If you were able to stop it and knew a person was about to grape a child would you stop it? #5 Would you consider a parent who put their kids in a room with a poison fruit and told the kids not to eat it but then also put the best con artist in the room with the children knowing the con artist will get the kids to eat the fruit and the parent does nothing to stop it a good parent?

[@mickeydecurious]

Why should we save the child for drowning it's God's will the only thing you should do is thoughts and prayers... They working so well for the mass shootings that Christians are doing, and they've worked so well historically speaking every time a Christian invaded someone else's lands... So you see the only answer should be thoughts and prayers and rely on God's will... Wouldn't you agree ✌🏼

[@hypatiastanhope4716]

😆

[@beeracks4446]

the problems here are legion

[@KaiHenningsen]

I wonder if the guy ever tried to use his pronunciation of "ch" with the word "Christos". Nah, that would probably require at least an IQ of 66, not 33 as he mentioned. Wow, that was a Trump-level failure of understanding the subject - or if you prefer, a Sovereign Citizen-level one.

[@mickeydecurious]

Poor Christians they're so desperate...🤦🏼

[@sjoerdmhh]

Don't the the pronounciation point you are making is really fair. We all have our modern pronounciations and even though your "chi" makes a lot more sense than his, the American vowels you make are probably not that close to the original. Not saying your pronounciation is bad, just saying that it isn't really fair to bring this up as a major point. (By the way, I'm only saying this because I really like your videos and know you want to be fair and open to criticism!)

[@tezzerii]

@sjoerdmhh Maybe it's not a major point, but that slip rang alarm bells for me before Dan pointed it out. (And I'm no greek scholar, just have a greek bro-in-law.) You can't go ranting on about greek translations being wrong while not knowing that the "ch" is greek "χ", pronounced "kh". It just destroys credibility.

[@billcox6791]

The point about this creator’s pronunciation of “ch” was unnecessary. The video starts with a note asking us to not to comment on their speech, and I just watched one of Dr. McClellan’s videos where he noted his own pronunciation of “iota” was weird. In my own background, I’ve been able to tell a mathematician from a physicist by how they say “phi”, seen people discredit artists based on how they say “gif”, mispronounced “Linux” for years, and learned that there are better indicators of technical ability than whether they mispronounce even basic technical terms. With all the other issues, we don’t need a shibboleth, so to speak, to form a counter argument.

[@lde-m8688]

Ok, I'm going to give a different perspective here. As someone who has had 68 operations on my vocal cords, you can imagine my voice is very different sounding. I get made fun of a lot, and at 52, it is still stings. So I get your point. However, this isn't a comment by Dan on say, a stutter or a speech impediment, or some other kind of disability. This is comment on a man who presents himself as knowledgeable on a language, so much so he has to explain what he sees as centuries of incorrect translation when in fact it is neither a translation (since the original was written in Greek) nor incorrect. To point out that his knowledge base is so incomplete that he does not even know one of the first and easiest things you would learn about Greek, the pronunciation of the CH, isn't making a comment about his speech. It is making a comment about his lack of knowledge in this entire area. If you self learn, typically, you point out something like, "I'm not sure how to pronounce this". This guy just tried to school us on basically 1700 years of😊 understanding of these passages, saying everyone else ever had it wrong. It is not difficult these days to figure out how things are pronounced. If he had demonstrated knowledge of the languages and topic and a willingness to learn, Dan may have gently corrected his pronunciation. As is, his mispronunciation was a symptom of his greater disease, ignorance.

[@tezzerii]

It was very necessary. One might be well read, but if you're going to pontificate about greek and hebrew and how they've been mistranslated, not realising that "ch" represents greek "χ" pronounced "kh" is a reliable indicator that you haven't done your homework. I'm no greek scholar, but I picked that up before Dan pointed it out.