The Trinity In Adventism? 1919 Until Now - Dustin Butler

[@larrybedouin2921]

Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father.

[@JoseConcepcion]

AMEN!!🙏

[@DavidBurdick-fe9cg]

The attempt wasn't to appease Babylon, but to determinedly steer Adventism into Babylon.

[@realmichaud]

It was to appease the Roman Catholic Church. You can bet word went out from Rome go with the Trinity or we'll take your channels off the satellites down. The Roman Church runs and owns the communication system of this world. Edited for clarification due to typo.

[@johansteyn3756]

Thanks Dustin.

[@racketyjack]

It is amazing to me how apostacy grows. We saw it in the early church back nearly 2000 years ago. We have seen it in the early protestant churches. And now we see it in the SDA church. It is dis-heartening. But I am encouraged to know that Christ defeated Satan and he will finish his work in his people. Thank you for this eye-opening message. I have forwarded it to my own pastor.

[@kefabenysraal7687]

You are mistaken friend, there was no such thing as a church 2000 years ago! There was the Natsarim (followers of the way Ma'aseh/acts 24: 4 and natsai assemblies (some would say synagogues) but they were never thought of as being a church, neither did they consider themselves to be. Where you see that word church in the ketubim natsarim (NT- so called) it was placed there by the Christian translators as part of the early 4th Century strategy of giving the new Christian edifice a 1st Century beginning. With that lie, they have fooled you! Prior to the destruction of the heykal, (temple), the natsarim worshipped at the temple, in fact they were a torah keeping Y'sralite temple sect, Ma'aseh (Acts) 2: 46, 5: 42.

[@bobbi2235]

I agree 100% with what the Bible and Ellen White wrote! You are right brother, keep teaching the truth! I once believed in the Trinity, but after a deep study I am now non-Trinitarian! Thank God for truth!

[@eddietomasi6164]

So, what truth you believe, can you explain it? In your research through the word of God, can you tell me who is Babylon in the bible?and can you explain it to me the difference between the Father, the Son , and the holy spirit. Jesus said, when you see him, you see the father. So, what is that means to you?

[@unholywarrior9007]

John 5 31 kjv if I bare witness of myself my witness is not true.... if thete is only one God then God Jesus if baring witness of him self God . Trinity destroy. John 8 42 kjv Jesus said unto them if God were your Father ye would love me for I proceeded forth and came from God neither came I of myself but he sent me... so the trinity teaches God sent himself God and lied and said neither came I of myself

[@eddietomasi6164]

@@unholywarrior9007. Let me tell you this. People a chosen what book to read like you just mentioned kjv. People like you always say that kjv is right. But let me tell you this. It doesn't matter weather is kjv or kji or whatever,.if you don't understand the word of God, it's a waste. That's what happens to the Pharisees. They think they understand the law, but they didn't. They think that they know better than anyone, but they're the foolish one. I don't have kjv but I have a normal bible but I understand it.

[@unholywarrior9007]

@eddietomasi6164 I disagree big time with the Trinty doctrine. It teaches God lies is seeking his own glory is unrighteous and lies . Now there is alot of versions of the bibel and it makes it more clear where I am coming from . Why do the 7th day call the God the Father the Father ? The bornagain the prodistine and chalice never answer that

[@unholywarrior9007]

@@eddietomasi6164 John 5:37 King James Version 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. so this is Jesus talking and they see Jesus so how could have they not have seen The father or heard his voice? trinity is easy to make fun of

[@maissss1888]

Now a little point. As the saints in the kingdom of God are accepted in the beloved, they hear: “Come, ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.” [Matthew 25:34.] And then the golden harps are touched, and the music flows all through the heavenly host, and they fall down and worship the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. And then what? What next did I see? One meets another; and they say, as they fall right upon their necks with their faces shining with the glory of God, “It was you, it was you that brought the truth to me, and I would not hear it at first, but, O I am so glad.” Now that will be acted all through the heavenly courts, thanksgiving and praise to God for those that have been the means of winning others to the truth, that they should come and have an interest for them, and then they are united among the saved. O what a meeting! what a meeting! (Ellen White, Manuscript 139, 1906)

[@maissss1888]

How can we conclued in another way?

[@davidrdanner4232]

😢 A Rodriguez went to a Jesuits College so in my opinion what he has to say is from the Enemy of Souls 👹 (It's important to know who is willing to be led by the Enemy of Souls) Thank you for this 3 part teaching...good video 🙏

[@1516Taylor]

God is not 3 persons. God is a Spirit, a Holy Spirit, and he is a person and not 2 nor 3 persons: Job 13:6 Hear now my reasoning, and hearken to the pleadings of my lips. [7] Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him? [8] Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God? [9] Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him? Job 13:10 He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons.

[@Lostandfoundrecipes-lz2mm]

You said it all, AMEN

[@cheryllaurenc]

I left the SDA Church because of their teachings and belief in the Trinity. One of my SDA Church Sisters sent me the very clip of Ellen G White you just showed. Praise the Lord I can send it back to her. Most SDA members think the book Evangelism was written by Ellen G White, not that it was Froome using her name. It grieves me to know the SDA is now using the book Evangelism as a teaching tool. Since I left the SDA Church the Lord is leading me to finding all Truth and helping to de-programme my brain. Looking forward to watching my first online study tonight Wednesday in NZ.... God Bless you all, much Love and Peace 🙏🙏🙏

[@BrotherSage777]

Where did you go???

[@juliemcmurtrie2713]

Thank you Pastor Dustin Butler 🙏🌸

[@realmichaud]

I looked into this doctrine of the Trinity over a decade ago and came to the conclusion it is a false doctrine. Yes there is a triad of a sorts, but only God and Jesus are individuals. Sentient separate individuals with their own personalities and dispositions. Together they are one in purpose but that is it. The Holy Spirit is their power and presence in our personal beings. Either the word Father and Son mean what they mean, or we are all lost. Words have meaning. And we are in an age where not only with this trinity doctrine where words are skewed to mean something different than originally accepted, but on many other things. Good video. Edit: I did say in another comment 15 years which is more true. I believe I stopped belief in Trinity in c. 2008/2009.

[@fionafleming1455]

I am learning so much from this❤

[@juliemcmurtrie2713]

Pastor at 7 minutes in are you talking about the "secret " bible and teachers conference?

[@christ7ta484]

Dear brother Dustin, please add a link to the Washburn letter!

[@Seventh-dayChurchofRevelation]

Washburn Trinity Letter: revelation.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/The-Trinity-J-S-Washburn.pdf

[@dr.johnwatson2503]

You can’t be an honest student of the Bible and believe that Ellen White was a prophet if you say that there’s only two persons in the Godhead. Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power. It is the Spirit that makes effectual what has been wrought out by the world's Redeemer. It is by the Spirit that the heart is made pure. Through the Spirit the believer becomes a partaker of the divine nature.. DA 671.2

[@NeilHush]

Why the concern about the absence of 'God the Son' in the Bible? Where is "investigative judgement' stated in the Bible?

[@John-vr5yc]

Right here.. when the books were opened . Who they opened for? Rev. 20 Verses 11 to 15 [12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

[@John-vr5yc]

Who's investigating the books?

[@John-vr5yc]

The record... There is always a record for investigation . Where art thou Adam? An investigative question.. and Adam gave his testimony when he spoke..the cleansing of the sanctuary that began at the end of the 2300 day prophesy of Daniel is the work of atonement or judgement. That 2300 years ended in 1844..457BC -2300 years comes to 1844.. the work in the heavenly sanctuary as in the days of Noah they were afforded a grace period until the judgement was executed .

[@robertvarnadoe8791]

Where is the link for the Washburn letter?

[@Seventh-dayChurchofRevelation]

Washburn Trinity Letter: revelation.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/The-Trinity-J-S-Washburn.pdf

[@sto3359]

Amen!

[@junepokapin9589]

Amen

[@rsum123able]

Is there any SDA church in Ocala, FL that is also non-trinitarian?

[@Seventh-dayChurchofRevelation]

Not at this time.

[@MarlonDawkins-w3x]

Please explain to me how three independent, un- related beings can have the same character.

[@timetowaykup9342]

Regarding what you said about Christ's divinity while here on this earth. I understood that you said he didn't have divinity within Himself at that point when He became a man, right? What about this statement? Read the last sentence in this first paragraph carefully. "It was a difficult task for the Prince of Life to carry out the plan which he had undertaken for the salvation of man, in clothing his divinity with humanity. He had received honor in the heavenly courts, and was familiar with absolute power. It was as difficult for him to keep the level of humanity as it is for men to rise above the low level of their depraved natures, and be partakers of the divine nature. {RH, April 1, 1875 par. 2} Christ was put to the closest test, requiring the strength of all his faculties to resist the inclination when in danger, to use his power to deliver himself from peril, and triumph over the power of the prince of darkness. Satan showed his knowledge of the weak points of the human heart, and put forth his utmost power to take advantage of the weakness of the humanity which Christ had assumed in order to overcome his temptations on man's account. {RH, April 1, 1875 par. 3}

[@bartleybuchanan6293]

Whenever someone can show me in the Bible where it says, "God the Son" and, "God the Holy Spirit," then and only then will I believe in the trinity.

[@noej1003]

There is no trinity in the Bible. But the characteristics of a trinity is all in the Bible. Now if your a Christian you shouldn't be here arguing and debating. Cause if you are, then you should be doing all the searching and reading your Bible. You do not need people to show you such thing. A person who claim to be Christian should at least know the basic stuff and does not need to be spoon fed and hand holding to read the Scripture. But if you are confuse as you seem to be then you need the Holy Spirit.

[@jmrdrgz]

@@noej1003 interesting thought. So you acknowledge that there is no trinity in the bible, yet there is characteristics of something in the bible that you yourself says does not exist. Did you just oppose your own argument? It is the same argument of today that recently came up. "What is a woman?" That man is definitely not a woman, but has certain characteristics of a woman therefore *he* is a woman.

[@noej1003]

Everything you want to know may not be in the Bible but Everything God wants you to know is in the Bible. I'm not here to argue or debate. Because I am firmly believer that the Bible is not meant to use for argument or debate. You have a pleasant day/evening.

[@eddietomasi6164]

John 1:1. In the bible there was a word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. So, the word was (Jesus), how come Jesus become God? Is that makes sense to you? If not ,read your bible perfectly.

[@noej1003]

@@eddietomasi6164 Psalm 82:They do not know, nor they understand; They walk about in darkness; All the foundations of the earth are unstable.

[@thelatterrainangelsministr2345]

The full knowledge of the Holy Spirit has been revealed. Its in John 1:51, Matt 3:16 & Gen. 28:12. He that has ear to hear, let him hear what the spirit saith unto the churches. Rev. 2:7

[@Rebecca-p7d]

Why then did Jesus himself say to be baptized in the name of the father and the Son, and the holy Spirit? Trinity means 3. I was baptized at a SDA church 5 years ago in the name of the father,the Son and the holy Spirit. Jesus said when you see me,you have seen the Father for I am one with the Father. Now you're saying that there is not three as in the Trinity??

[@samard.7869]

Both apostle Paul AND prophet Ellen White shared the SAME theological categories: A - the ONE true living God of Israel is THE heavenly FATHER Himself ! John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know You [the Father], the ONLY TRUE GOD ... In light of the above , please read Mark 12:32 , Romans 3:30 , Galatians 3:20 , James 2:19. B - Christ is NOT some second person of a triune being , He is the very FULLY divine , eternal Son of that same Living God ! John 1:1-3 , Colossians 2:8-9 , etc (and the Holy Spirit is the fully divine Life that the Father and the Son share from Eternity Past ! Through this Life and ITS boundless powers does the Father speak to us and Christ comforts us ) Christian MOTTO 1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is BUT ONE GOD - THE FATHER, from Whom all things came and for whom we live; AND there is BUT ONE LORD, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. If we want to share the same biblical categories as the prophets , then let's play closer attention to the categories the Bible establishes and to the definitions it gives as well. When we say "God" , let's think primarily of the Heavenly Father ! (NOT of some fictitious babilonian triune being) When we say "Lord" , let's think primarily of Jesus Christ Himself , NOT apostate ideas of half confused church fathers ... Bible "math" is very clear (even though extremely profound): A Beginningless Father (the proper God) + a beginningless Son (His fully divine agent) => ruling Creation & filling the Cosmos through Their ETERNALLY shared Holy Life aka Holy Spirit !! The ONLY "third individual of the Godhead" is the Intruder ! Remember that prideful "nameless spirit" that demanded equality with Christ? Well that is exactly the garbage fallen Protestantism believes today: that before that glorious White Throne of God , our Father , there is actually another individual, equal to Christ !

[@unholywarrior9007]

john 5 kjv37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. this is Jesus talking so if they had seen Jesus how could they have not seen the father or heard his voice ? the Trinty is false doctrine and the definition of the father is wrong in this video at about 10 min the father has a body i can prove this easy with the bible

[@eddietomasi6164]

@@unholywarrior9007. John 1:1. In the beginning there was a word, and the word was with God and the word was God. So, Jesus was the word, and how can the word (Jesus) become God? Is that makes sense? Read your bible carefully. 🙏

[@sjepson100]

@lubomirantalik6983 The Word of John 1 is intentionally demonstrated to be synonymous with the Son in 1 John 5:7. "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." The Father and the Son have always shared one and the same Holy Spirit, and they always will. Only the Word became flesh and dwelt among us as a man/human. The Father and the Son are not humans. Only humans are people, and only people are persons. Words like trinity, triune, triad... are a little subjective. Not always entirely wrong or entirely right when speaking about who and what God is. "God as three Persons, blessed Trinity" is perhaps ok to use as "poetic lyrics" of a hymn, but this is certainly NOT a correct theological statement.

[@AlmondJoie]

​@@sjepson100 "The Father and Son are not humans." The Son is fully God and fully man. Has this changed too?

[@Sandra-mx2te]

But doesn't the trinity doctrine state that they are 3 persons are also one, 3 in one so to speak?

[@luba31-h3f]

“There are three living Persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers-The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-Those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ.”-Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, 63. (Evangelism, 615.

[@terry5914]

What if the number seven was literal in Revelation 1:4 ,3:1, 4:5, and 5:6?

[@dabirdalton]

Ellen White makes it crystal clear that there are three distinct individuals in the God Head and that the Holy Spirit does indeed have a personality.

[@themanlymansite]

Correct. Reference below "We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds."-Manuscript 66, 1899. (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.) "The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God. . . . The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”-Manuscript 20, 1906.

[@Lostandfoundrecipes-lz2mm]

The Trinity breaks the 1st commandment: Exodus 20:3, who is me the Father, the Son, or the Holy Spirit AKA the Dove? Whose image are you made in!

[@fionafleming1455]

❤🙏

[@AlmondJoie]

There are many scriptures which plainly reveal that the Godhead is Father God and His Son Jesus. My five favorites are: John 10:30; John 14:21, 23; John 17:3, 21, 22; 1 Cor. 8:6; and 1 John 1:3. The Holy Spirit is Their Spirit -- Their divine power and divine presence with us and in us to lead and guide us into all Truth.

[@suliasiiole1993]

Did Lucifer had a problem with the father or the son? Why? John 1.1 is clear as sunlight to me that the word is God. 😂😂.

[@John-vr5yc]

Oh . Eternity is another misunderstood term... The father had a Son before creation in eternity... Well how long is eternity? Eternity has no time so how long did the father sit around in eternity before he had a son? If the father had a son in eternity then technically the son is eternal but the father was first... Even christ being the word with God, the father had to exist before he spoke... It doesnt yhat the father sat around for millienia in eternity before he had a son . Why is the mainstream church so unavle to grasp that?

[@John-vr5yc]

The confusion to me seems what the word Devine or divinity means.. I looked it up and it doesn't say it means eternal or unable to die.. it does mean being from God or of God or a god but it doesn't really mean immortal..immortal means immortal but Devine maybe.. it means having Devine power but can be applied to wonderful or all the things Jesus is..surely the Son had to become a man to have that experience of a mortal human in order to have judgement and authority . God knows a fair trial has a jury of your peers or the judgement is flawed...the son became a man and Jesus claimed such saying it's not me..I can do nothing by myself but it's the father in me that does the work... Jesus didn't even make that claim that he had Devine powers but just chose not to use them . He doesn't say that at all.. he says.."i can do nothing of myself" pretty clear he couldn't do it even if he wanted to..

[@dabirdalton]

The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ's name. He personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality. We may have the Holy Spirit if we ask for it and make it a habit to turn to and trust in God rather than in any finite human agent who may make mistakes. 8LtMs, Ms 93, 1893, par. 8 The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. "For what man knoweth the things of a man save the spirit of man, which is in him; even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God." 1 Corinthians 2:11. 21LtMs, Ms 20, 1906, par. 32

[@Heavenly_hope]

In my studies I see Kellogg having brought in Pantheism with his "living Temple" book. Then, with a desire to revise his book, he wanted to include Trinitarian expressions to make his Particular Pantheism more palatable to the leaders. Thus Kellogg is not responsible for the genesis of Trinitarian thought in the SDA church. There are examples of this idea being pondered as far back as 1879 when J.H Waggoner wrote to James White showing a leaning towards the "Personhood of the Holy Spirit" concept. Then in 1892 E..J Waggoner re-publishes an article and re-titles it "the Bible Doctrine of the Trinity". Also in 1876 James white, in talking about 7th day Baptists, said "S.D. Adventists hold so nearly to the 7th day Baptists on the deity of Christ that we apprehend no trial (conflict) here." Apparently, the Issue of the Godhead was a recurring discussion among the leaders during the pioneer years - not making it a test of fellowship. There is such a thing as "growing in grace in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ". As I looked into this topic myself, a gradual change, a slow transition, a more thorough grasp on certain texts of scripture, a bit by bit realization of further truth regarding the Full Deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit on the part of the SDA leaders became very apparent to me. Elder Daniells admits at that same 1919 conference that it was the statements in the Desire of Ages that helped modify his view about the Godhead favoring the trinity view. If the Trinity implies Jesus having no ability to die; then what would the non-trini's say about Jesus on Calvary? was Jesus not Divine while hanging on the cruel cross? Was He not Fully Divine and not fully Human at the same time? Must we no longer esteem Christ as God so that He can die as only a man?? What kind, or what mode, or what variety of Divinity Did Jesus have that can sink and die? Is there a kind of divinity that can expire or die? When Non-trini.. Adventists take issue with the Trinity, they automatically take issue with the deity of Christ. There is no way, method, or manner with which to believe Christ is Divine and yet say "'Oh, but you see, if Christ is fully God then He couldn't have died on calvary""!! Jesus was not of a lesser variety of Divinity than the Father, for He was "God in the Highest sense of the word".

[@J_adventurer]

How many of these churches are there that rejects what is happening in the SDA church with regard to the trinity and is “Nader Mansour - Prove All Things” inline with what you teach?

[@xofgod]

Scripture supports the divinity of the father and the son and the Holy Spirit

[@Rebecca-p7d]

Yes it does support the Father, the Son and holy Spirit. Why are they saying otherwise?? I was baptized in a SDA church 5 years ago in the name of the father and the Son, and the holy Spirit. What in tarnation is he trying to say. I hope that I'm not with a cult , many call the SDA a cult??

[@noej1003]

@@Rebecca-p7d Read your Bible and pray my friend. God will send you the Holy Spirit to help you.

[@samard.7869]

Both apostle Paul AND prophet Ellen White shared the SAME theological categories: A - the ONE true living God of Israel is THE heavenly FATHER Himself ! John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know You [the Father], the ONLY TRUE GOD ... In light of the above , please read Mark 12:32 , Romans 3:30 , Galatians 3:20 , James 2:19. B - Christ is NOT some second person of a triune being , He is the very FULLY divine , eternal Son of that same Living God ! John 1:1-3 , Colossians 2:8-9 , etc (and the Holy Spirit is the fully divine Life that the Father and the Son share from Eternity Past ! Through this Life and ITS boundless powers does the Father speak to us and Christ comforts us ) Christian MOTTO 1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is BUT ONE GOD - THE FATHER, from Whom all things came and for whom we live; AND there is BUT ONE LORD, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. If we want to share the same biblical categories as the prophets , then let's play closer attention to the categories the Bible establishes and to the definitions it gives as well. When we say "God" , let's think primarily of the Heavenly Father ! (NOT of some fictitious babilonian triune being) When we say "Lord" , let's think primarily of Jesus Christ Himself , NOT apostate ideas of half confused church fathers ... Bible "math" is very clear (even though extremely profound): A Beginningless Father (the proper God) + a beginningless Son (His fully divine agent) => ruling Creation & filling the Cosmos through Their ETERNALLY shared Holy Life aka Holy Spirit !! The ONLY "third individual of the Godhead" is the Intruder ! Remember that prideful "nameless spirit" that demanded equality with Christ? Well that is exactly the garbage fallen Protestantism believes today: that before that glorious White Throne of God , our Father , there is actually another individual, equal to Christ !

[@eddietomasi6164]

. John 1:1. In the beginning was a word and the word was with God, and the word was God. A question. Jesus was the word. And how come the word (Jesus) became God?. 🤔. Now, please can you explain that to me.

[@markcourtad4341]

@@Rebecca-p7dSDA church is not a cult and this video DOES NOT represent our beliefs or accurate biblical teaching. Almost all of this is based outside of the scriptures… almost all references are obscure outside sources or Ellen White taken out of context or her uninspired writings. Not every word she wrote was inspired. Very few Bible verses were used and the ones that were weren’t interpreted with hermeneutical accuracy.

[@joannehansen170]

I am under the understanding that the General Conference in the year 1980 voted down the accepting of the Trinity doctrine. But in 1981 several Adventst leaders met in private and incorporated the Trinity into the Fundamental Beliefs without the knowledge of the Seventh Day Adventist membership???

[@EricHort-cx1jp]

Can someone tell me what Matt said that we must be baptised in the NAME of the Father the NAME of the Son and the NAME of the Holy Ghost. These three entities have the SAME NAME. J3sus is no longer a spirit Luke 24:37-43. He now has flesh and bones like us with His wounds being visible. 2Cor 3: 18 (margin) calls the Holy Spirit GOD THE SPIRIT. After Christ's ascension He gave command and instruction through the Holy Ghost Acts 1,2. The Holy Ghost was a promise if the Father

[@firstcitazenofheaven]

Name means Authority. Baptist in the Authority of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They all have the same authority, which is from the Father

[@joshuanurse-endtimewatcher]

Holy spirit is God holy spirit speaks 3rd person of the Godhead

[@luba31-h3f]

The Holy Spirit represents the other members of the Godhead but is a different Person. When He represents Christ He is described as the Spirit of Christ. When representing the Father, He is called the Spirit of the Father. The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ’s name. He personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality. Ms93.1893.8 Distinct means "not the same as" "another" Until you understand what it means by personify you will struggle with how the Holy Spirit can "become Christ to us" while a distinct Person. He takes on personality, thoughts and words of Christ on his behalf. He knows the mind of Christs and the Father's thoughts. 1 Corinthians 2-11 - even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Definition of Personify Personify- embody, epitomize, exemplify, manifest,typify, express, image, imitate, impersonate, materialize, mirror, substantiate.

[@michaelparris5998]

Bro stay in the context from the scripture reading.

[@Simon-Simon-Simon]

If the TRINITY where ever ETERNAL then why was there WAR IN HEAVEN . TRINITY questions everything and even the act of GOD CONFERRING HONOR to his SON that triggered the WAR

[@EricHort-cx1jp]

The three Persons of the Godhead had their work to do for our salvation. The eternal God gave us laws for our benefit when man broke these laws God sent His Son Jesus as our substitute . He prayed yo the Father I have finished the work you gave Me to do. The Holy Spirit was given by Jesus AFTER He left this world John 16,7. The Spirit does not speak what He Himself wants to say but what Jesus directs Him to say Johnn16 :13,14. These three Persons all had / have their work to do for our guidance to the heavenly Canaan. Stop reading what men taught years ago that may not have been correct but what our fundamentals teach today. Please looked to the message not to the men in the church.

[@larrybedouin2921]

I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. {Isaiah 43:11}

[@EricHort-cx1jp]

Why are so many people attacking the SDA church and EGW in particular????. Can't people just preach what they believe to be the truth instead of criticising and surmising what Adventists really believe . Why keep on attacking them. If people claim to have the truth you don't have to prove someone else is wrong to justify your errors. Because you can't understand what another person believes does not necessarily make you right.

[@larrybedouin2921]

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of *the great God* and our Saviour Jesus Christ; {Titus 2:13} καὶ σωτήρ < "and Savior" is a conjunction/cumulative to the great God...to the great God...

[@alfredryan5893]

This trinity God cannot pass the bible scrutiny. God the Father is a biblical character, but the other two supposed god's cannot and is not recorded in the Inspired writings. Hence the leaders are asking for the worship of false gods.

[@sjepson100]

? God the Father is a biblical character…” ?? The Father is a title for that part of who and what God is which remained in Heaven when the Word became Emmanuel and was here on Earth. Nothing changes about who or what He is, just title changes at the Incarnation. This is when the titles of Father and Son become reality. Not before.

[@larrybedouin2921]

Antichrist a d workers of iniquity!

[@anthonydownswell4513]

The Godhead consists of three individual persons that agree in one as said in 1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. This is not the catholic "Trinity" which is one person playing three roles. This is the true godhead, spoken of by the pioneers and the prophet, Ellen White.

[@michaelparris5998]

Go back to Jeruzalem and you will find the truth.

[@godloves9163]

This argument is insane really. The pagan trinity is Father, Mother, Child worship. The biblical trinity is not this at all, not complicated really but This channel wants to argue on something ridiculous instead of focusing on our mission of the 3 angels messages. “The Eternal Dignitaries of the Trinity. The eternal heavenly dignitaries-God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit-arming them [the disciples] with more than mortal energy, ... would advance with them to the work and convince the world of sin.-Manuscript 145, 1901. Personality of the Holy Spirit.-We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds.-Manu-script 66, 1899. (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.) The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God...” "There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers-the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized and these powers will cooperate with the obedient." In Heavenly Places, 336; Evangelism, 615.

[@normkie]

Sorry to tell you this, godloves, a Biblical Trinity is Satan inspired myth. It’s impossible for it to be in the Bible, all the writers (with the exception of Nebuchadnezzar, and even he recognized the Son of God), were Jews and believed in the Shema of Deut 6:4. The Trinity only began in the Catholic Church in 325AD, and was ‘codified’ in 381 when Justinian decreed it. You need to study your religious history, brother. What of a ‘startling nature’ do you see coming into the SDA church besides the Trinity heresy? It is the Omega of apostasy Ellen White warned us about. How can you preach the 3 angels messages when you are following the ‘gods’ of the antichrist?

[@godloves9163]

@@normkie yet you ignores Ellen White’s own quotes. Why?!

[@benneal9309]

​@@godloves9163There is no comforter like christ, so tender so true. R.H. oct 26th, 1897, par 15. The saviour is our comforter. This I have proved him to be. 8 MR 49. Holy spirit is the comforter, as the personal presence of christ to the soul. The home missionary, nov 1, 1893, par 8. The impartation of the spirit is the impartation of the life of christ D.A. 805.3, 1898. And theres at least another 15 or so to back up exactly what she meant. Seems to me, it's you whose taken it out of context, seems to me it's you whose ignoring her many quotes. Study harder like the true brother suggested, godloves. You will find Leroy froom the freemason, wrote evangalism and plagiarized and changed much of her works, like kellogg and others the snake that is trinitarism was already lose way back then!

[@godloves9163]

@@benneal9309 i see zero evidence or those text to mean what you’re implying. Please explain how those texts meant anything other than simply talking about the spirit. Seems like you’re taking it out of context and ignoring my verses. Ellen literally said three persons in one multiple times in multiple books.

[@benneal9309]

@@godloves9163 ever stop to think if someone like kellogg changed a line or two to support his trinitarian doctrines, and then pawned it off as her work, ever stop to think if a freemason, wouldnt try to sneak in and misdirect the entire church( leroy froom) read the originals( not kelloggs copies), just like the great controversy, which has entire pages removed from the original and can be sourced on the net, study the pioneers, v the early/ mid church, the differences in their fundamental beliefs, and their views on the godhead and compare with the bible. study Adventist review, march 5th, 1981, page 3. " there is another universal and truly catholic organization, the seventh day Adventist church".

[@EricHort-cx1jp]

God the Father said Jesus is MY SON . The same can be said of the Holy Ghost. God calls Him MY SPIRIT

[@BvVb2099]

The real problem - in my considered opinion - actually is this: People confuse The term "ELOHIM" ("DIVINTY" or GODHEAD in English, - for lack of a better term, plural), - original HEBREW in Genesis with the term translated - "The Father". The Bible will ALWAYS say - There is "ONE ELOHIM" (Divinity) - and none other -- but that is actually documented within the Bible itself - as composed of The FATHER, or THE ETERNAL", or The CREATOR, or The ALMIGHTY etc., The SON - of God or, of Man - as He Himself preferred to be called - but that will be future New Testament nomenclature; in The Old Testament The Second Person of ELOHIM was "The Angel of The Lord", "The WORD OF THE LORD" "The Word", The "I AM THAT I AM" and perhaps other names that presently I cannot recall, and "The Spirit of Holiness or of DIVINITY" -- each a component of The ELOHIM - ever present throughout the entire Bible beginning with Genesis 1:2. You will not find a specific explanation as I am exhibiting over here in the Bible, but carefully studying either of the Three Personages you will notice exactly what I am stating here in this post... There is no "GOD" name specifically attributed to The Father, - that is a very wrong translation in our modern Bibles - but there are plenty of ELOHIM - DEITY - GODHEAD references if you please. If we confuse The Father with "GOD" - we will be forever confused and always on the wrong track. Both the FATHER and SON are new terms that are revealed in the New Testament, and these very new names were actually announcing and revealing the newest phase of salvation of humanity. The name "Father" is NEVER mentioned in The Old Testament - except couple of references that are quite metaphorical, and so is the term SON, a name that is mentioned only prophetically - with proper, perfect and minute future application in The New Testament.. But the Name of The Holy Spirit is however mentioned ever since the very second verse of Genesis chapter one. So we have plenty of references in both The Old and The New Testaments, of all Three Persons of Divinity. On the other hand however, we DO have instances when EITHER of The Members of Deity are represented as ELOHIM, wrongly translated GOD - instead of GODHEAD - and that apparently is causing confusion. What the occasional use of ELOHIM by each individual PERSONS of ELOHIM in fact denotes is actually the perfect union and cooperation between "The THREE HIGHEST POWERS OF HEAVEN - The FATHER, The SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT" as magistrally noted by Ellen White, a truly inspired American religious writer - in her writings. If not studied in sincerity and faith, it might sound confusing, - but quite frankly - I am not confused at all... So - please study with an open mind, and you will be "convinced" - not by me -, but by The Eternal, or The Very Word or The Spirit of ELOHIM !

[@SeerSeekingTruth]

The problem is what you just wrote. That is all intellectualism. It truly isn't that complicated a Father and Son relationship. Hence the reason why God said we should fully understand and will be without excuse. Romans 1:20-32. We don't need all of that. The Spirit interprets the scriptures and Ellen White is a false prophet. The fact that you cannot discern this is problematic. You should be able to do this. We refute lies with the scriptures in the power of the Spirit. We do this by repenting from all false doctrines and asking God to forgive us and have mercy on us for believing lies. Humble like children. Admitting we know nothing.

[@garymcaleer6112]

Souls are being lost while testing points of doctrine are imposed throughout Adventism. Example: Non-trinitarians invaded my little church: LORD of the Sabbath Fellowship in the quiet hills of TN. And by their presence destroyed my humble ministry founded on keeping to SDA doctrine. We even had to deal with a Jesuit posing as an Adventist from Andrews. He came to lie and steal. He walked away costing the church $4600 in medical care. It was all a front. But he was caught when we learned he was a graduate of the Jesuit college at Georgetown University. I wrote him a letter describing his experience at "the resurrection of damnation" unless he repents. They never do. Another dear brother at another small SDA church also busted a Jesuit infiltrator. And when he was confronted over disrupting the church, and "the Spirit of LORD" came on my brother, Danny, he told the Jesuit: "I know who you are. You're a Jesuit!" His eyes turned blood red! He left and was never seen again. In my church, we went from 50 members to 8 in record time. These intruders are a spiritual cancer no less than the Shepherd's Rod or Branch Davidians who likewise intrude their presence "to draw away disciples after them." Their non-trinitarian books were passed around to all the members. They list all the verses to support what they insist is Heaven-ordained. In one of them, there is a chapter teaching how to answer those who refuse the non-trinitarian dogma. Fact: the one verse they always leave out: Jn.16:13. At the end of time, only one verse will be the centerpiece for the Christ-obedient-Rev.14:12. This one verse will show "who is on the LORD'S side" vs. those “greedy of gain.”

[@bla4674]

The pioneers were non-trinitarians. Jesus did not believe in the trinity. The Bible does not teach the trinity. But Rome does. Since 1980 Adventists made the trinity its creed. Choose this day whom you will serve.

[@samard.7869]

Both apostle Paul AND prophet Ellen White shared the SAME theological categories: A - the ONE true living God of Israel is THE heavenly FATHER Himself ! John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know You [the Father], the ONLY TRUE GOD ... In light of the above , please read Mark 12:32 , Romans 3:30 , Galatians 3:20 , James 2:19. B - Christ is NOT some second person of a triune being , He is the very FULLY divine , eternal Son of that same Living God ! John 1:1-3 , Colossians 2:8-9 , etc (and the Holy Spirit is the fully divine Life that the Father and the Son share from Eternity Past ! Through this Life and ITS boundless powers does the Father speak to us and Christ comforts us ) Christian MOTTO 1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is BUT ONE GOD - THE FATHER, from Whom all things came and for whom we live; AND there is BUT ONE LORD, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. If we want to share the same biblical categories as the prophets , then let's play closer attention to the categories the Bible establishes and to the definitions it gives as well. When we say "God" , let's think primarily of the Heavenly Father ! (NOT of some fictitious babilonian triune being) When we say "Lord" , let's think primarily of Jesus Christ Himself , NOT apostate ideas of half confused church fathers ... Bible "math" is very clear (even though extremely profound): A Beginningless Father (the proper God) + a beginningless Son (His fully divine agent) => ruling Creation & filling the Cosmos through Their ETERNALLY shared Holy Life aka Holy Spirit !! The ONLY "third individual of the Godhead" is the Intruder ! Remember that prideful "nameless spirit" that demanded equality with Christ? Well that is exactly the garbage fallen Protestantism believes today: that before that glorious White Throne of God , our Father , there is actually another individual, equal to Christ !

[@rayrobert307]

@@bla4674 “In fact, C. Mervyn Maxwell concludes that early Adventists were “about as uniform in opposing Trinitarianism as they were in advocating belief in the Second Coming.” (Richard Rice, Spectrum, Fall 2013, Volume 41, Issue 4, ‘Adventists Finding Identity in God’) The Seventh-day-Adventist Church was founded on a non-trinitarian belief. ALL of the fundamental doctrine of the first 50 years were developed under the guidance and inspiration of a non-trinitarian belief in God. If, as present day Adventism advocates, the early pioneers were WRONG in who God was, then the doctrine of the first 50 years was based on a FALSE God and thus can legitimately be questioned as being 'truth'. The Sabbath, state of the dead, Adventist eschatology, the Sanctuary message, ALL of the early doctrine can be claimed to have been developed under false pretenses........

[@bla4674]

Who you worship matter. MARK 12

[@johnhersom9263]

This guy is a false teacher.

[@SeerSeekingTruth]

Where in the bible does it say EGW should have had a spirit taking possession of her body and supernatural strength. Which scripture shows prophesy comes from an angel. Ellen said she had an accompanying angel.

[@Desire_of_Ages]

​@@StudioDawne=> your ignorance is so LOUD & OBVIOUS,... this is unbelievable! => have you never read the book 📖=> of prophet Daniel?! 🧐

[@Desire_of_Ages]

​@@StudioDawne=> try prophet Daniel... 🤔

[@jmrdrgz]

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and *he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:* Revelation 1:1

[@SeerSeekingTruth]

@@jmrdrgz All the law prophesied until John. Matthew 11:13. You are comparing apples with oranges. Ellen isn't John. The gift of prophesy comes from the Spirit which Ellen rarely if ever mentions because she herself set up as the Spirit in the church by pretending she could teach people the meaning of the scriptures. The holy ghost teaches the scriptures 1 Corinthians Chapter 2. If persons cannot understand the scriptures they do not need someone to write 100's of books to try and teach them. Her writings were riddled with lies. A person with the gift of the Spirit would tell you if you cannot understand the scriptures then there is a problem in your walk and that you need to repent so the Spirit can teach you.

[@markcourtad4341]

Sorry, but this video is not only false and NOT reflective of SDA beliefs, but it is divisive, misleading, and dangerous.