The Trouble with FreeBSD

Benno Rice
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An open source project’s community is what makes it a living thing. Without its community the project is a static lump of code. FreeBSD is one of the largest and longest continuously running open source projects around. Not only that, it comes from an even longer lineage before it via the original BSD work at the University of California, Berkeley. That doesn’t necessarily mean that it is without its problems.
While FreeBSD isn’t in any danger of disappearing any time soon, it does have issues with attracting new contributors, keeping its existing contributors and keeping its community healthy. These issues are not always unique to FreeBSD but FreeBSD provides an interesting case study.
This presentation will cover:
* How FreeBSD’s community and its processes have evolved over the years and how this compares to other, often newer, projects.
* What FreeBSD could learn from other projects.
* How this all fits into broader issues around open source development communities and things that do and don’t work.

[@antquinonez]

I'm big and old and I have no problem.

[@LindaKateley]

The problem with freebsd is that it is an amazing operating system with a very dysfunctional community.

[@timothygibney159]

Go to the ArchLinux forums and your opinion will drastically change :-). FreeBSD may have some interesting characters the reason they say RTFM read the fucking manual is because it is very well written. The FreeBSD handbook, manpages, and docs are more professional than Linux and they have a whole team dedicated towards documentation. It is meant to be a server OS and puts the options there. But no it is not an OS for grandma for sure

[@owainkanaway8345]

+Timothy Gibney when Benny Rice says FreeBSD is big, does he mean FreeBSD is bloated? Sorry for asking this I don't really understand computer terms. To me that is a big concern because I'm not a fan of Linux (I've used it for a while) and I don't like Windows. I mean is he saying FreeBSD is more bloated than Linux and Windows?

[@drowningin]

Owen Kanaway he's talking about the code. Particularly for legacy hardware that's grandfathered in. It can take a long time to compile. Nothing you'll really need to worry about by the sounds of it

[@JetBriggins]

Dysfunctional? How?

[@itsnotallrainbowsandunicor1505]

Yeah, as one commenter wrote, do visit an Arch Linux forum. You'll end up trying to force your hand through the screen in hopes to choke an a-hole.

[@BAgodmode]

Benno’s talks are the ones I enjoy most that aren’t about firmware. And tbh, I like them more than I do the firmware talks.

[@math_tutorials6982]

It's good to see the FreeBSD project alive, with discussions on what to improve

[@Dr_MKUltra]

With Windows becoming a service soon and constantly sending personal data constantly instead of intermittently, controlling and basically owning our computers at home. It's time to really embrace freebsd linux GNU etc and push back.

[@britneyfreek]

see microsofts account censorship announcement. and yt‘s assinine oppressive „guidelines“… this aged well. and ppl love their oppressors. actually thinking they‘re right. again, aged well.

[@jacob_90s]

Just as soon as they stop acting like a bunch of smug gatekeepers I'll consider it.

[@pwhv]

@@jacob_90s everybody has a different way of being even your parents, so, if u really care you shouldn't be here for the people way to think but for the tool itself

[@jacob_90s]

​@@pwhv That's a wonderful sentiment and I would very much love to. The problem is: you can't, because those same gatekeepers are the ones who design the software and importantly, write the documentation, and guess how well gatekeepers write documentation? And what do you have to do when you have a problem with the documentation: "Just ask the community", which A) subjects you to more gatekeeping, and B) take SO MUCH FREAKING LONGER than if you just had one good source of documentation. So yes, I would very much love to be able to ignore those people; the problem is, they won't let me.

[@pwhv]

@@jacob_90s well you have a point and I agree, sometimes in software the documentation sucks, but the good thing about open source software is that if there's no documentation you can go to the source code itself and read it which is better if you are looking to understand how something works deeply but sadly it is not efficient in terms of time.

[@walterkiel552]

FreeBSD enthusiasts like myself are thrilled with the terminal commands, compilers, and developer tools... but... KDE/Gnome desktop environments and video capability are marginal at best. Maybe "Core" should think about functionality...

[@ceestimmerman9785]

Git repos are much smaller than SVN repos.

[@Donatellangelo]

I think I'll stick with linux based distros for now. If I wanna go bsd, it's looking like openbsd might be a better choice.

[@leandroramos665]

I love OpenBSD, but it doesn't support my wireless card :(, then i am going to install FreeBSD

[@homelessrobot]

@@leandroramos665 personally, I would rather just get a different wireless card.

[@kacperw587]

"Hello this is me, your generic lenovo laptop. Sorry but I won't initialize this wireless card. Why? Because fuck you that's why :)" God, how I hate hardware blacklists. Good thing libreboot and coreboot exist.

[@ProgressiveTory]

I feel a lucky person - my laptop's hardware is fully detected and used by freebsd. I couldn't believe my eyes,when i succesfully found my wlan during the scan during the installation.

[@herauthon]

Cool 25minutes . . time to use the big rig for builds

[@patthetech]

Biggest problem with freebsd: No hugs.

[@michaeljamesmoore]

That certainly went off the rails.

[@as-tm7np]

what was the guy at the end trying to say?

[@anthonyesweeney]

Should Perforce not have been in there somewhere, or did I dream that?

[@mitchelvalentino1569]

I thank my lucky stars that OpenBSD has Theo de Raadt.

[@leathernluv]

I don't always agree with this guy, but I do like to hear what he has to say.

[@Dazdigo]

Wish FreeBSD didn't drop Docker support.

[@hughlion1817]

Try podman, it's a drop in replacement and it's compliant with the open container standard, which docker isn't. Which is probably why they dropped, I'd guess

[@britneyfreek]

@@hughlion1817but wait. does freebsd understand oci? i always felt like we‘re stuck in jails.

[@melonangie]

We all are #LarryGarfield

[@GameFreak7744]

I'm not entirely sure I follow on the meritocracy part... How can it change meaning..? What you say people meant it to mean is what it means, isn't it..? My head hurts...

[@rchetype7029]

That's the purpose of redefinition.

[@mareksicinski3726]

people are obsessed with manipulating words and language and the words and language people use

[@sixdroid]

the gpu hardware acceleration

[@cyruslok78]

I am soooo lucky to be initiated to linux 8 years ago....

[@mareksicinski3726]

?

[@snoopdoggydogg8591]

Luke Smith is cool.

[@ProgressiveTory]

@Big Knife Wrangler you just got clingy to one single word. Congratulations.

[@mcmihion8657]

I'm moving to FBSD from UBUNTU... : )

[@andrewperry605]

great presentation. you speak well and I found it very informative

[@peeraiahavinash1046]

How to fix the problem if need to find the diff... I am getting The error in freeBSD dev/fd/63: No such file directory dev/fd/62: No such file directory

[@avvvqvvv99]

why is open source like this?

[@snoopdoggydogg8591]

Because it has been infiltrated by commie SJWs.

[@DMSBrian24]

open source has always been kinda commie, the idea itself is rather commie and the licenses are literally called copyleft, but unlike communism, this shit can actually work, especially as there's more companies and competent developers jumping on board, we just need to sometimes make compromises to account for the more opinionated individuals

[@seriouscat2231]

The problem at the core of the issue is a belief in a spontaneously organizing chaos, like evolutionary theory. Everyone knows on one hand that someone must make the decisions, create the plans, weigh the options and do the thinking, but while that happens, everyone pretends that it's just chaos organizing itself.

[@nextlifeonearth]

@@DMSBrian24 Open source is explicitly anti-capitalism. It's liberalism (in the classical sense). You can do whatever you want. What the woke community is trying is to make it less open, limit your freedom. This stuff is anti-open source, because it's more communist.

[@commonce420]

It all sounds like a serious conference but for people who like to scoff on matters they don't fully understand. (I take that's the common Linux family' attitude on: GNU birth VS BSD) 2. Want to talk serious programming issues VS ideology but still take time to explain basics ex. 'porting'?

[@bobdole57]

I've done the research and for the life of me I can't figure out how meritocracy is evil bad these days somehow.

[@Donatellangelo]

Me neither. I gotta admit though, equal opportunity=/=equality of outcome. Without the former, it kinda seems like merit goes out the window as well.

[@getxyzzy]

I don't understand, equality of opportunity cannot mean (enforced) equality of outcome - equality is not equity by default, it means an equal opportunity to prove oneself. A meritocracy provides equality of opportunity. anything else is not equality.

[@12me91]

bobdole57 wouldnt it be a better ide to try and fix there not being equal opportunity instead of throwing volunteerism merit out the window?

[@tibfulv]

It isn't. But lots of Marxists would like to insert the Progressive Stack in its place.

[@snoopdoggydogg8591]

The problem with open source projects is they have been infiltrated by SJWs. I switched from Linux to FreeBSD to get a away from the Linux wokesters and looks like FreeBSD is no saner. I give up on free software, I will just buy a Mac computer and find another hobby.

[@globnomulous]

I wanted to watch this, but the treble is so piercing that I had to stop.

[@finoderi]

Poor baby.

[@seriouscat2231]

There's another version of this talk online. Just search with the guy's name.

[@PavelSayekat]

What about Sony? Do they give back?

[@mattseaton5832]

Nintendo also

[@starletscarlet]

@@mattseaton5832 Nintendo doesn't use FreeBSD, they just borrowed networking code from it (as did Microsoft). I'd be surprised if they made any substantial changes worth upstreaming to it. Sony doesn't upstream changes in Orbis, but they do contribute to Clang+LLVM. Apple has contributed to FreeBSD in the past, they contribute a lot to Clang and LLVM, but their modern OS is so far removed from BSD design wise that there's not much worth contributing these days

[@asedonii-chan8466]

this is why openbsd is best. Theo knows his shit and doesn’t afraid of anything

[@cooleyYT]

Doesn't afraid. My god who let you out of pre k

[@cooleyYT]

It's not a the btw. That crown goes to either MacOS, windows, Linux, or even freebsd. Anything but openbsd

[@your-mom-irl]

@@cooleyYT it's a meem ya dingus

[@cooleyYT]

@@your-mom-irl and?

[@peterkerj7357]

@@cooleyYT A the. My god[,] who let you out of pre k[?]

[@Schcarraffone]

i prefer uindos and gui and buttons and colours (H. Simpson)

[@clydecoffey8815]

freebsd is my operating system congrats

[@tanveerhasan2382]

Is it still?

[@johanneskingma]

Is there a "freeBSD sucks" video series and why not?

[@muhammadrezahaghiri]

The worst part about this presentation is "FreeBSD is big" part. Comparing Linux and FreeBSD in this way, is like comparing Chevy Camaro's engine to a whole assembled Tesla car. Of course the code base is big, but have you ever took a look at the BLOATED code base of GNU+Linux source codes? I personally worked on different Linux distributions and I also made one. The base got way bigger than a custom FreeBSD.

[@strangejune]

I don't think that comment refers to its weight in code. I think it's about BSD being unwieldy - see the comments about breaking it up.

[@nageldev]

The trouble with FreeBSD is Benno Rice.

[@IndronilBanerjee]

Super.

[@shalomhabibi9594]

Word

[@mareksicinski3726]

@@pixelsupreme6824 it is more than just 'political' 'activism', there is a specific issue

[@PatrickMichalina]

I am sorry... But please do tell what "meritocracy" DOES mean.

[@gregzeng]

In Australia, it means the biggest bully who wins. "Fake News" is the propaganda of the Winner. Seems to have much machismo in FreeBSD. Male-bullies against non-male connectivity. The non-males know that there is an overall vision that is beyond individual battles.

[@getxyzzy]

that's not meritocracy. and pulling in gender in a talk about meritocracy doubles down on that idiocy. if blatant misandry is necessary for this 'overall vision', then that overall vision is garbage.

[@xSlappykinkaidx]

+xyzzy At least Greg answered the question. Yeah, it's a shit, inaccurate & completely illogical pile of word salad, but still an answer none the less. That puts him higher on the metaphorical meritocracy higherarchy than you. He got a d- for effort. You get an F for fuck all. Anyway, +Patrick Michalina, a Meritocracy is a hierarchal structure where position is based on merit. For example, take any average workplace. Those whom preform best rise to the top of the hierarchy while those whom perform worst fall to the bottom. Or a better example is any form of competitive fields such as sports. The best performing team wins the championship while the worst performing team washes out before any form of semi finals / playoffs. In short, performance = merit. The better your merit is, the higher on the hierarchy you are. So a meritocracy is a communal hierarchal structure that rewards performance & productivity aka merit by rewarding those whom earn said rewards through merit, aka hard work, intellect, talent, skill, honesty, integrity, etc... While withholding reward from those whom lack merit, aka those whom perform poorly, are intellectually dull, lack talent, skill, work ethic, lacks integrity or honesty, etc... As for Greg's nonsense about "being the biggest bully, fake news, male-bullies against non-male connectivity, etc..." This is one of the dumbest things I think I have ever read. I mean it literally makes as much sense as that SJW satire video in a classroom where 2+2= "multiculturalism" instead of 4. Either Greg is shitposting & being deliberately stupid as their own form of satire, or really is that stupid & should probably stop wasting oxygen with their existence.

[@TheZeroAssassin]

You actually think a retarded answer is better than none at all? Boy are you fucking stupid

[@shaunpatrick8345]

Meritocracy means you get employed on your skills rather than by having a sex or ethnicity the far left want to promote.

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

It all seemed fine until he brought GG into this, with a complete lack of understanding of what it even is.

[@desktorp]

GG Allin

[@jjbailey01]

@@desktorp 🤣

[@nyankers]

openbsd: works great, no nonfree driver support debian: works great, nonfree driver support freebsd: buggy installer, has nonfree drivers that fail to install

[@mikewayland2576]

Debian is pretty awesome..

[@kotiaave5993]

Debian (and its variants) is the most powerful OS/distro.

[@szt1980]

Debian: - Is Linux (which means buggy) - Has systemd (which means buggy and fragile)

[@ProgressiveTory]

Wdym buggy installer? It went fine for me

[@nyankers]

@@ProgressiveTory was over two years ago, maybe they've fixed whatever issues I was having

[@spacepirateivynova]

do you really only care about equality of outcome? if so bsd is truly doomed.

[@sarlalian]

It is at least partially about community toxicity. There are a lot of open source communities, and people have choice about where they volunteer their time and effort. A lot of talented people don't want to spend their spare time working in a toxic environment. So, a few shitty people can push a lot of good talented people out of an existing community.

[@robertvuitton]

+TheSpurious Hey, I started with Linux, Ubuntu then stopped using it after they added Unity. I later then decided to go with Debian, but it didn't last long with me because of the stupid systemd. My next move was to switch to a Unix OS and make it my main OS, FreeBSD, but after watching this, I'm lost. What would you recommend?

[@TheZapeth]

without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Free_and_Open-Source_.28FOSS.29_operating_systemswithout_systemd_in_the_default_installation I recently decided to move away from my beloved Arch Linux as well, Gentoo looks like an interesting option so I'll try that in the near future.

[@robertvuitton]

Thanks Zapeth!

[@robertvuitton]

Haha, well that sounds great then.

[@clydecoffey8815]

congarats

[@mm007emko]

Wow! This video really impressed me. Most of the time you talked about code of conduct, soft skill and dealing with other people. Not many people in the open source software "community" realize that soft skill are at least as important as the hard skills. I keep my fingers crossed for this project.

[@dawnv3436]

Soft skills for soft brains get taken over by gestapo thugs who can't even be honest with themselves over the injustice they cause. Get on our level, intellectual.

[@pcartisan2721]

Informative. Good speaker. Thanks.

[@aeroscience9834]

So Meritocracy is a bad thing now? Well if this video convinced me of anything, its not to use FreeBSD. Its hard to trust code written by people chosen for reasons other than their ability to program.

[@snoopdoggydogg8591]

The problem with open source projects is they have been infested by SJWs. Now Linux foundation is making vaccine passports with IBM.

[@PainterVierax]

meritocracy has always been a bad thing, just an old trick to calm down the lower bourgeoisie then the midclass after the fall of feodalism and casts society models. Abilities to program is a thing that nowadays more and more people master so this isn't a priority anymore. Instead, abilities to behave positively inside a community project is often harder to learn and this skill is especially important when there is no manager/benevolent dictator to lead and chose a direction at every project crossroads.

[@yethuraj4873]

good vedio

[@steven1671]

Watching this, it's obvious to me that this "Democratically Elected Core Team" is what's stifling FreeBSD's growth and development. Poor Matt Dillon tried to take the wheel but they actually kicked him out. For what? Having a backbone? Doing the right thing (not disabling interrupts)? The whole debacle about gamergate that led to the creation of a code of conduct is irrelevant. Matt Dillon forked freebsd to make dragonflybsd. In other words, the community fragmented. All of the development that went into dragonflybsd could have went into freebsd.

[@timewave02012]

FreeBSD succeeded in implementing the fine-grained locking Matt said would take too long to get working, though. Early on, Matt was interested in competing with ZFS. Eventually, FreeBSD just adopted ZFS. Matt also likes pushing Amiga-isms into BSD. I'm not a fan of FreeBSD's politics (code of conduct), but I don't see any major technical advantages in DragonFly, nor do I think the development effort could have gone into FreeBSD instead. It's not really a matter of better or worse, just different.

[@steven1671]

@@timewave02012 meh, I guess it's a moot point. BSDs are pretty obscure and terrible anyways. Bad drivers, ports suck, kernel is lacking compared to linux, everything BSD pales in comparison to linux. The dirth of drivers alone makes BSD suck hard. Could never get freebsd to display fullscreen and full resolution on my high end PC from 2014. The well documented, clean source code is about the only good thing about BSDs, but that's only valuable to hobbyists and students looking to write their own toy operating systems.

[@timewave02012]

@@steven1671 Now I'm not sure if you're trolling me. I use FreeBSD for ZFS for a personal NAS, because I migrated when Oracle bought Sun and Linux didn't have decent ZFS support yet. Hammer wasn't production-ready either, and Btrfs doesn't do the software RAID stuff ZFS does. I think Linus philosophically opposes mixing volume management with filesystem functionality. I also like BSD for routers/firewalls, because I'd rather use PF than Netfilter. It probably doesn't make sense for desktop use for all but the most hardcore hobbyists or developers, though.

[@steven1671]

@@timewave02012 Still, BSD seems pretty niche to me. I mean linux has a firewall and ZFS isn't that special to be honest. You yourself mentioned 2 other viable alternatives to ZFS (hammer and btrfs, oh and ZFS does work in linux). What can BSD do that Linux can't? I don't know. But I could probably whip up a long long list of things Linux can do that BSD cannot (mainly about drivers and software compatibility - things that are literally showstoppers for anything interesting that a computer user would want to do). I'm not trolling you. I used to be really interested in BSDs, but in the past year I came to the realization that life is too short to be playing with obscure software that hardly anybody uses (relative to alternatives). At the end of the day, who cares about this video? Or about BSD? I don't anymore.

[@timewave02012]

@@steven1671 Maybe I'm still using BSD for the same reason you never started using it. I was into it as a hobby when it had more advantages in the early 2000s, but here it is the 2020s it's what I know. If I wanted to run everything on one PC, there's no question it would run Linux, but if I'm going to run a NAS or router separately from a desktop, laptop, or media PC, I'll favor BSD for file storage and networking, and Linux for hardware and application compatibility. I might even admit to using Windows for the same reasons.

[@Reichstaubenminister]

There's a four letter word. It starts with c and ends with uck. Still like the technical side, though.

[@seriouscat2231]

The solution is to try to avoid all kinds of aggression. That's the part they get right. What they don't understand is that social justice warring is also a form of aggression, but a more veiled and passive one. There's a form of aggression that is in the service of enduring pain and another that is in the service of seeking pleasure. I consider Dillon slightly too guilty of the first one and the problem is that it places big positive demands on other people. But the social warriors, nothing to do with justice, are guilty of the second one. It places enormous negative demands on other people, such as that you must not be too clear, not be too honest, not be too impartial, not be too smart.

[@Reichstaubenminister]

@@seriouscat2231 That is a great take on it, I absolutely agree.

[@SuppressedOfficial]

@@seriouscat2231 Nah. Just handle aggression like an adult. There's no such thing as avoiding all aggression.

[@baseballguy2001]

This is not a speech about the capabilities or weaknesses of the software. It's about ideology, and childish online spats.

[@franzlyonheart4362]

baseballguy2001, yeah, what a whimpy gamma soyboy that is!

[@JanusDuo]

Truth

[@mikerollin4073]

Not really.

[@lgrfan5964]

Weirdos.

[@digitalabilia]

No one gets the Kernel from here, the Shell from there and mesh everything together. People gets a distribution and uses it.

[@jtbx01]

What about compiling your own distro?

[@seriouscat2231]

@@jtbx01, I'll do that. Then I will make coffee.

[@super1337bf3ordie]

this human is fun

[@SJohnTrombley]

I was really enjoying this talk until it shifted from BSD to politics. Are you really so incapable of coexisting with those of differing opinions that you need to disparage them when it's not even appropriate?

[@andrewlankford9634]

They shouldn't mess around with an official code of conduct. They should add an denunciation and public safety enforcement clause to the license.

[@unclefester9113]

Its called Ad Hominum.

[@seriouscat2231]

@@unclefester9113, no. It's spelled hominem.

[@sophiaperennis2360]

FreeBSD, where mediocrity > meritocracy, because feelings, or something.

[@qntnotes9427]

@SJW fighter: your word-salad is total B/S PS: FreeBSD is indeed the place where mediocrity > meritocracy, because feewings ...

[@seand7603]

moot point now. something something linux feefees. something something coc. sad really.... at least theo hasn't given in to all of this lunacy and openbsd remains devoid of the SJW victory so far.

[@Ak0tnik]

An update: this has reached Linux too :3

[@TheKetsa]

Aaaand this cancer is spreading to Linux.

[@jaimeduncan6167]

@Freedom Fighter I agree with you in general, but the last statement appears to be false. In fact the toxic communities have been able to produce excellent results consistently for millennia. Feelings based organizations are jet to prove themselves, and in general, they degrade too, just in a different way. It just happens than in a very short period of time they transform into a bullying system were people of the despicable group become target and the feelings of them are not taken into account and any mention of doing so is seem stupid or violent. So it's more of a moral criteria than a productivity one.

[@neo-vj4zq]

Struggling fucking hard to say git

[@MichaelPate-michaelkpate]

At the end, he thanks all the people who explained all the things to him he didn't understand. But not GamerGate. Which he didn't understand either. Interesting that he used the famous Anita Sarkeesian phrase, "Garbage Humans," before she did (this is month before VidCon). I wonder if she got it from him?

[@teenageoperator7246]

damn, the amount of salt in these comments about Benno having good opinions re: harassment and equality... kinda sad shit.

[@mattseaton5832]

Because equality is a terribly idiotic ideal. Humans are not equal, have never been equal, and never will be equal. And attempts to enforce equality destroy the culture and tend to lead to mass atrocities.

[@asteelcup859]

@@mattseaton5832 if you really don't have the brains to realise that you don't need to have all people equal in all attributes in order to treat them with equal amount of respect then you'd be the ABSOLUTE BOTTOM of the hierarchy in the world you propose we should live in

[@mattseaton5832]

@@asteelcup859 people who are not equal don't deserve an equal amount of respect. that should be incredibly obvious, especially given that you demonstrate that very point quite clearly. you give no respect but you also deserve none because you are a clueless idiot who for some inexplicable reason actually thinks he knows something.

[@asteelcup859]

@@mattseaton5832 equal amount aka bare minimum (bare minimum being not treating them as subhuman) but hey, my mistake for expecting you to have more than 2 braincells to rub together in order to figure out implicitly that its "same or more amount of respect", not same amount for absolutely everyone no matter what. My bad for expecting you to have common sense, guess i should have explained like you do to toddlers.

[@toby2581]

@@asteelcup859 Were you intentionally being ironic by demanding respect for all people while attempting to belittle someone? Holy lack of self-awareness, Batman!

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

Ah, I remember that FreeBSD / Gamer Gate fiasco from the other side. Convinced me to dump FBSD and haven't looked back. I wonder if it'd be worth returning these many years later.

[@tommyflynn466]

Curious, what did you switch to? I'm in the process of converting all my personal computers/servers to FreeBSD, but don't want to indirectly support Leftism.

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

​@@tommyflynn466 I turned evil. My laptop is a Surface Pro X, so it only runs Windows. I also have a ChromeOS tablet to use on construction sites where I don't want to risk the Surface getting damaged and so I can access the Debian backend if I need/want Linux while away from home. My Desktop is Ubuntu LTS with Manjaro and Windows running in KVM. If I'm being honest, I don't really use Manjaro much; it is my favorite Linux Distro, the easiest to make act like FreeBSD of the major ones. But because so much of my work is dependent on Windows exclusive applications, it's just easier to use it all the time.

[@johngordon3647]

@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 everything you use and run is trash. FreeBSD blows any linux distro out of the water, and Ubuntu is probably the worst one out there. Enjoy using crap hardware and crap OSs because they are "easy".

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

@@johngordon3647 stay mad bro.

[@johngordon3647]

@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 stay lame bro.

[@tobydanzer3695]

I usually love these talks. This was interesting until he began to hijack the conference for a thinly-veiled personal attack. I'm not taking sides (they all sound toxic), but this guy just comes across as extremely childish. If he really cared about the FreeBSD community he shouldn't have done this talk at all. It makes a very bad impression.

[@SuppressedOfficial]

Yeah, this dude's an enormous loser.

[@Clean97gti]

The number of people commenting, who have a problem with a code of conduct that basically tells them not to be a shithead, is staggering.

[@icinemagr4621]

FreeBsd Just Rocks. Doesnt matter how many videos you will do for idiots.

[@marksmith2540]

Meritocracy is a dirty word? That's very troubling.

[@clydecoffey8815]

i think not and a not

[@johngordon3647]

The trouble with FreeBSD is Linux users installing it and thinking it's supposed to be just as easy as Linux is, function just like Linux, and them not being able to configure or troubleshoot their own systems properly like Linux does for them automatically. A "The Trouble with FreeBSD" topic talk at a linux conference is just the thing linux users would eat up. If this same talk was done at a FreeBSD conference nobody would show up. lol.

[@tylerdean980]

Give me lsblk or give me death

[@manuell3505]

They should handle crtitics that are realistic.Still waiting for SDIO on ARM-boards. And what are we hiding when Firefox goes zombie and remains unable to get rid of? Also stop referring to rc.d CLI phrases. Same for systemd. We need the solution, not the command to "solve" it your way without telling what actually has to be done.

[@johngordon3647]

@@manuell3505 Solution #1 Don't play with kids toys. The real world doesn't care about those "problems". Solution #2 Firefox has always been buggy. Use a different browser or actually learn how to kill a process. Solution #3 Don't expect anything out of a random noob on KZbin that uses Linux. Problems solved.

[@manuell3505]

@@johngordon3647 I chose these points carefully. Its mostly politics. It only looks like the world doesn't care if they just start ignoring the subject.

[@johngordon3647]

@@manuell3505 What the hell are you even talking about? Politics? lol. Are you ok?

[@michaelfulton8972]

Why not just use Linux . Like what’s the problem with Linux.

[@starletscarlet]

The kernel is a bloated kludged together pile of crap, evolved out of a hobby project with a shitty restrictive license that acts like a EULA. The GNU userland is even worse

[@HarshYadav-yi7tv]

Believe me BSDs are future. Linux now is an out of control project.

[@tribemaster101]

notice how they always say "open source" and never "free software". They are all backed by the corporations. MS, Intel, etc.

[@jsoftj]

Yes... I switched to BSD for this kind of reason.

[@cooleyYT]

Harsh you're delusional

[@DMSBrian24]

@@tribemaster101 involving corporations is how you make serious progress, linux is still gpl and therefore free software, with exception of its (optional) binary blobs which are a compromise most users are willing to make in exchange for good hardware support

[@seriouscat2231]

This is because nobody wants to do real work anymore but everyone wants to find fulfillment in some fantasy ideology. And soon the only work that gets done is in support of these fantasy ideologies.

[@dave7244]

It is 2020. I am here watching this and I see the usual lies about GG and Randi Harper.

[@teenageoperator7246]

lol, first of all this is an older video, second suck it up and realize GG was trash

[@nextlifeonearth]

@@teenageoperator7246 Yet another person who either believes the lies or is a liar themselves. ETHICS IN GAMES' JOURNALISM. That's what GG stands for and always stood for. That some female game developer made it about her being harassed has nothing to do with the movement, she should have called out the harassers, not the group most of her harassers weren't even a part of.

[@continuouswave34]

Mascot envy. Stupid penguin.

[@shaunpatrick8345]

The trouble with BSD is their core team tell lies about gamergate.

[@douwehuysmans5959]

And now they went after Linux

[@KabelkowyJoe]

Beeno do have Steve Jobs manner of talking "um", you know um and if i was to guess for who he is working Apple would come first to mine mind, also his talks are nice to listen even if you dont have damn about what is he talking about.

[@clydecoffey8815]

and i am stupid for using freebsd

[@clydecoffey8815]

makes me laugh who stole a unix program history of linux

[@exnihilonihilfit6316]

Learn to write sentences and express thoughts properly.

[@joebonsaipoland]

Sure that’s why all the best appliances use FreeBSD and NOT Linux!!!!!

[@EricMewhort]

That sounds incredibly biased.

[@KitOkunaru]

its mostly because of the license not really freebsd is "better"

[@IGDNews]

Ok I'm going to fork Freebsd and bring my own spin on it, while keeping the toxic SJW's out of my project.

[@miko-nv9cl]

So, how'd it go?

[@timewave02012]

Did you Make BSD Great Again?

[@gabrielelyas1868]

How is IncelBSD doing ?

[@seriouscat2231]

@@gabrielelyas1868, did he tell you he was interested in having sex?

[@clydecoffey8815]

why not add a normal user not college based programming

[@ericpa06]

"Code of conduct" seems a euphemism "to fire anyone who disagree with SJW opinions".

[@Roruoni]

I think it will eventually be that. Code of Conduct will likely become a tool to cull the undesirables. I mean, just look at the political winds here, They are already redefining what meritocracy means. That is straight out of critical race theory in particular. The idea is that, oppressors define what merit is as a way to oppress people and therefore it should be done away with by promoting people outside the standard definition of merit. CRT does this for the context of race and historical racism. Intersectionality does this by looking at the intersection of the race, gender, and sex - and fitting people into various contexts of oppression based on some historically defined sense of merit of these identities.

[@Tass1702]

I'm welcomed to contribute to FreeBSD, until I trigger any of your snowflakes on twitter and you'll remove me "quietly". No thank you. The correct way would have been for FreeBSD to stay out of this and ask said girl to change her twitter handle, so her behavior does not reflect on bsd.

[@khalifakhalifi2397]

I'm sick of this guy . He is always crying about shit... grow up and use what makes you happy

[@clydecoffey8815]

not about freebsd its about how someone makes money

[@RyanMan767]

this was a great talk, and i absolutely love reading all the reactionary comments here that (ironically) only serve to further legitimize the points he's making

[@seriouscat2231]

What points in particular?

[@seriouscat2231]

Or do you mean that whoever manages to provoke the other side is always right? Like assuming everyone is a narcissist and if you manage to insult or wound a narcissist then you have made a point or proven something? I'd call that projection.

[@RyanMan767]

@@seriouscat2231 what...? what 'sides'...? huh? no, I have no idea how you could have possibly interpreted such a specific and completely detached interpretation from my comment, which is kinda interesting when youre calling *my* comment a projection, which im pretty sure doesn't mean what you think it means. either that, or irony is just lost on you.

[@RyanMan767]

@@seriouscat2231 lol like what are you even talking about? no, literally all I was suggesting was that pure consensus does not appropriately filter against toxicity, bad-faith, prejudice, or other internalized human flaws. not only do these comments show that well, but so does literally every other comment section.

[@seriouscat2231]

@@RyanMan767, you're insinuating that the views of your opponents are only based on bad faith and toxicity and therefore must be pure expressions of anger or distress and then gloat about it. What part did I get wrong?

[@GetJesse]

This was an interesting talk until he got to the ideological BS. Anybody with any modicum of sense will see “meritocracy” as a good thing and not as the nonsensical redefinition of the word that the regressive left would like society to adopt.

[@juld55]

beta!

[@drstrangelove09]

I see nothing wrong with meritocracy and redefining it is not cool. You cannot not make something good into something bad by defining the work, which is all too common today.

[@Reichstaubenminister]

"If we had my political views protected by a code of conduct, people wouldn't vehemently disagree with me trying to drag politics into technological fields."

[@chaoslimits]

Bending the knee. What a waste of time watching this. Lesson learned.

[@marukoropesu9655]

Freebsd old and bad as windows 95

[@xavieroneill]

The problem with the th this videos is, it's complete bull crap! We're adding docs and ports to core? This is akin to adding arch docs and an rpm repo to Linux core. Also, why are we comparing FreeBSD to Linux at large? There's various BSD projects like there are different Linux distros (DragonFly, OpenBSD... ) - each with their own focus. Glad you've abandoned BSD, good riddance.

[@ainoyabou]

you lost me at code of conduct. good luck.

[@kenkelvin4023]

I hate Linux so much it’s slow and crap and many distos and no info there

[@ooze9808]

disliked for being okay with video games going to shit

[@elorrambasdo5233]

what?

[@SuppressedOfficial]

Yup.

[@IGDNews]

Wait when did SJW's get involved in software development ? Since this is a based on merit. GamerGate, ComicGate,Rpggate is life.

[@anonamouse5917]

Comments are enabled! I guess that means Benno did NOT insert a bunch of indefensible woke garbage into his otherwise brilliant lecture.

[@SuppressedOfficial]

Nah, it's still there. I take it you didn't listen long enough to find it? I don't blame you.

[@anonamouse5917]

@@SuppressedOfficial Correct. Although I am a penguin for life, I'm not super concerned about what goes on under the hood. edit -- after reading through the comments I see Benno wishes to redefine meritocracy. I may have to watch the whole thing now to see a smart man spew idiocy.

[@TheDave570]

Red Hat has been trying to dominate the Linux world for years. The developer that wrote systemd is an employee of Red Hat therefore, all code he write is the property of Red Hat !!! no matter when or where he writes it. Once all linux distros are controled by systemd and up-stream coders have used it to control their code, Red Hat will copyright it and you will have a Microsoft clone and you will pay for it !!!!!!

[@Hirodal]

How? systemd has LGPL 2.1+ license, so it is not bonded to Red Hat.

[@DMSBrian24]

they can't, that's the whole point of GPL

[@Theineluctable_SOME_CANT]

It will never ever happen...

[@seriouscat2231]

The problem will be that nothing will soon work without it. It's a practical, not a legal problem.