The Truth About Calvinism And Over Intellectualizing the Bible

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[@tornadofreaks5744]

You spelled CALVANISM wrong. Its CALVINISM.

[@ProphetGreg94]

@@tornadofreaks5744 Calvinism is itself wrong. Let’s be more concerned about correcting that incorrect and false theology than we are on how the title of that doctrine is spelled.

[@mjrjolt]

One more thought on Reform Theology. It doesn't go back far enough. Everything we talk about today centers on the 15th & 16th century. What about the first century?? That's where Reformed theology gets it wrong. Even today, all they talk about is what happened in the 16th century. How about the Book of Acts? What about the first century? You would think this would be the template for the church today. If it's a choice between 16th century or 1st century, I'll take 1st century every time because it is much closer to the practical lived out experience of the Apostles after Christ's ascension.

[@B-mg1pr]

@@mjrjolt Reformed theology isn't just about the 16th century - it's about a theological framework that seeks to understand Scripture, including the early church's experiences and teachings. So, rather than pitting the 1st century against the 16th, why not see Reformed theology as a way to build on the foundations laid by the Apostles, using the insights of the Reformers to inform our understanding of Scripture?

[@nathanfranklin5002]

I read an AW Tozer quote that’s challenged me recently. “God will not hold us responsible to understand the mysteries of election, predestination, and the divine sovereignty. The best and safest way to deal with these truths is to raise our eyes to God and in deepest reverence say, O LORD, thou knowest. Those things belong to the deep and mysterious profoundness of God's omniscience. Prying into them may make theologians, but it will rarely make saints.” Let us be saints before we are theologians and everything else will follow.

[@M8200L-e3j]

@@nathanfranklin5002 Beautiful! ❤️

[@ogloc6308]

Amen

[@Appazap]

This is a blessing 🙏🏿

[@davevandervelde4799]

I can agree with that! 😊

[@matthewdyer2926]

To be a saint, you have to believe the Bible and submit to it; if you believe the Bible, you’re a Calvinist.

[@smalliehound]

I love the truth mentioned that if theology doesn't lead one to worship in a deeper way, which is the surrendering of our lives as a living sacrifice to our Lord, then we're doing it wrong. Powerful.

[@nildameers3772]

Yup... In that day many will say lord lord but didn't I.... Write huge theological books in your name and about you and your word...

[@nosferatuzodd8553]

would apologetics or evangelism fall under that?

[@samueljennings4809]

@nosferatuzodd8553 Potentially, yes. It should edify and strengthen love, rather than puff up your pride.

[@ststrength5044]

All I know I am grateful I found orthodoxy. 40 yrs a prot (raised charismatic, finished off calvinistic, went through a brief deconstruction phase and nearly walked away). Glory to God I am a catechumen now.

[@caman171]

you do realize every one of those has "idols".

[@silentofbots]

God bless you. I'm also a Cathechuem

[@arno7303]

So you went from sola scriptura and veneration of the Holy Trinity alone to calling all other Christians damnable heretics and venerating the saints and Mary? And if you think the orthodox don't damn ALL other Christians to hell, I think you have some studying to do.

[@ststrength5044]

@arno7303 read my comment. U see this is one of the many reasons I left protestantism, this penchant to argue every lil theological detail with those that disagreed with me. Now I am free from that bondage of intellectualism and pseudo rationalism. Especially in the idol worship of the almighty john calvin the pope of geneva.

[@kevinclement1533]

To be fair, ortho-bros on the internet are just as toxic as these calvinist keyboard warriors. Every denomination has its own fair share of zealots.

[@v4756nb1rs]

In the words of the great Charles Spurgeon, "Lord, save all the elect, and then elect some more."

[@rodrigobarba930]

Barz!

[@wowitsfrostygames155]

he probably set his house on fire from the heat with that one. DAMN.

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

Was he doing a bit?

[@stevenepstein6454]

@@v4756nb1rs but the electing was settled from the foundation no? Is it a joke?

[@THESAMURAIOFADONAIMUSIC]

@@v4756nb1rs in the words of a man.........I love how people quote men rather then scripture,Calvinism is just that a man coming in his own name preaching heresy

[@pikehightower790]

AMEN! The more theologically well-rounded I am, the better equipped I am to discern the truth. Plus, it is humbling (mercifully so, thank you Holy Spirit) to hear sincere people navigate many of my same difficulties.

[@ProphetGreg94]

@@pikehightower790 so I’m sure you’ve discerned that Calvinism is false, right?

[@Beefcake1982]

I see people online going after Calvinism or Calvinist constantly. I don’t get it. I’m Presbyterian. My church is amazing. The sermons are straight biblical expository preaching. The gospel is preached every Sunday. We don’t sit around talking about John Calvin all day. We do morning and evening services with a luncheon and prayer meeting in between. We are a close nit church we tons of kids running around. We love each other and new visitors. I just don’t understand what all the animosity is about. Check out your local PCA church. It’s probably full of supper nice people who love Christ.

[@mjrjolt]

Sounds great Beefcake1982. Question? Does your church pray for and support Israel? Does your church believe that the Gospel is to go to the Jew first and then the Gentiles??

[@Beefcake1982]

@ my church supports a variety of missions. The one I’ve heard most about recently is for Haiti. Maybe because we are in south Florida. I don’t know honestly if we send money to Israel. We believe what the Bible teaches and it does say to the Jew first and the to the Greek. Seems like you’re going somewhere with this question though?

[@Beefcake1982]

@ We do always pray for Israel during our prayer meeting.

[@TyXTheJedi]

Same with my Reformed Baptist church, bro! People are silly.

[@G1stGBless]

there is a huge difference between what you describe (which sounds like beautiful members in the body of Christ) and the pro-calvinist internet warriors. Peace :)

[@zalmoxis3707]

I wonder if he spelled Calvinism wrong 😂 genius engagement ❤️

[@zekdom]

Time-stamp 5:27 - His point: if theology doesn’t lead you to worship, you’re doing it wrong. Theology should humble us before God. 7:20, 7:55 - Anthony’s point: the Logos holds everything together.

[@BrownGuyGaming91]

It's the same thing with hyper charismatics, not just hyper charismatic though, I see this with a lot of Christians in general . There's extremes to everything. You have people that know nothing about theology, it's all about the spirit, gifts etc and less about the word (sound doctrine and theology) then you have people that are very intellectual but it's less about the spirit etc. the Bible calls us to worship God in spirit and in truth, not one over the other, not overemphasizing one or the other. I see this problem in the body of Christ a lot. Jesus calls us to have a balance in all of this, because sound doctrine leads to sound living. But I also noticed that this video has less to do with Calvinism lol.

[@truthdefenders-]

And you alone have that perfect balance?

[@BrownGuyGaming91]

​​Nope, I never said that. I wouldn't say it's perfect. But I do have a balance, so there needs to be some sort of balance, that's what I'm saying. A lot of Christians don't even have a balance and that's the starting point. ​@@truthdefenders-

[@BrownGuyGaming91]

@@truthdefenders- I never said I had a perfect balance? But I do have a balance. Having a balance is the starting point not perfection.

[@jinxsam8395]

@@truthdefenders- Where did he say he has perfect balance?.... smh

[@twistedlimb4053]

I know exactly where the balance point is, I have run by it so many times.

[@Veretax]

There are a lot of Christians who hear the Gospel mesage, except the proposition of the sin problem, Christ's solution through death/resurrection, and then don't move much further than that. When you study the bible, and really believe it, it doesn't just become a list of 'scriptural facts you can recite from memory, or that you affirm to believing' It begins to transform you: In how you choose to doo certain things, and carry out some of its inferences in the spreading of the Gospel In how you view the rest of the world, now understanding what God did through the Cross with Christ (This is a transformation of perspecftive) In how you realize that loving your neighbor isn't just a command, but a natural effect of walking a Christian life as you participate in the benefits of the Holy Spirit's indwelling, and in demonstrating your faith through your daily life and walk. The truth, if it has real power tends to spread throughout not just the body of the believer but the acts of the believer.

[@tornadofreaks5744]

You spelled CALVANISM wrong. Its CALVINISM.

[@VaushQ]

@@tornadofreaks5744 he's a grifter he don't know theology

[@NomosCharis]

First thing I noticed too. Might want to correct that.

[@DavidTextle]

@@VaushQZack made a spelling mistake so ruslan doesn’t know theology 😂😂

[@DefendTheGospel007]

You are such a Calvinist to correct error. He freely chose to be wrong. Choice is more important!

[@JoshuaLawrence-u8k]

Always one or two of these commenta

[@thecaptain3594]

Good doctrine is vital to being a good Christian. The problem is when you elevate doctrine to such a height that it essentially becomes your God, and Christ almost secondary. It is important to remember that it is Christ who saves, not exegesis.

[@dominiclapinta8537]

Exactly..also, what people don't understand sometimes, is that the Bible is God's revelation about Himself. The parts that are doctrine, are just some of the instructions, but it is the truth of God's revelation that we are saved through. We are saved through Jesus Christ and knowing the truth. Doctrine does not make us free, you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. While Calvin has some good things to say about the truth, his theological systemic system to interpret the Bible by, are their own separate. They are not revelation, they are not the truth. They are his own reasoning on how to interpret truth. But they are not the truth.

[@DaveBurrBillChappelle]

Did you intentionally misspell Calvinism to lay a trap for those who over intellectualize?

[@jyu467]

Pretty much all Evangelical Protestants agree on 90% of the issues. Where Evangelicals disagree on usually boil down to 7 issues: 1) Baptism (infant baptism vs believer's baptism) 2) Lord's Supper (memorialist vs real spiritual presence) 3) Church Government (episcopal vs presbyterian vs congregationalist) 4) Predestination (unconditional election vs conditional election vs corporate election) 5) Hermeneutics (covenant theology vs dispensationalism) 6) Eschatology (premillennial vs postmillennial vs amillennial) 7) Spiritual gifts (continuationism vs cessationism) While all these issues are important and why we're divided into different denominations, none of these are foundational issues.

[@Notouchs]

Baptism and the Eucharist are Major issues to be divided on and can be the difference between salvation and damnation. Any protestant preaching believer baptism is indirectly condemning souls to hell.

[@HauntedStopwatch]

Both baptism and the eucharistic are both important and essential.

[@TyXTheJedi]

True! Good point, brother.

[@G1stGBless]

Kind of. I mean they are foundational, but not essential in that we all have to agree would be how I describe it.

[@kevinblackwellwelder]

Jesus says if you don't literally eat his flesh and drink his blood there is no life in you which of course means you choose hell. That's a foundational issue. The fact you don't see it shows profound ignorance of the bible and 2000 years of history.

[@Noah18121]

I am a CHRISTian not a CALVINist "A sect has the name of a man because it is of man; the Church has the name of Christ because it is of Christ." - St Augustine of Hippo

[@philblagden]

Most Reformed Christians don't like the label Calvinist either but it has become commonly used to describe us. We don't revere John Calvin although he was a great theologian. The emphasis on Biblical literacy and exposition is very high in Reformed churches. No doctrine should be held to unless it can be proved from scripture. Jesus and Paul and John and Peter and other writers of scripture taught what we believe. That's why we believe it.

[@B-mg1pr]

This sound like ignorance to me. Just because a theological tradition is named after a person (like Calvinism), it doesn't mean that it's a sect or that it's not of Christ. Calvinists believe their teachings are rooted in the Bible and Christ's teachings, not in John Calvin himself. The name "Calvinism" simply acknowledges Calvin's influence on the development of biblical teachings. I am a Calvinist, and I have NEVER read a single book by John Calvin. In fact, I had the same beliefs as a Calvinist would from just reading the bible alone and later found out that it aligns with the teaching from the Reformed denominations. I still have never read a John Calvin book. IF you are not a Calvinist, does that put you in the Arminianism camp? You don't see Reformed churches named "the church of John Calvin".

[@dominiclapinta8537]

I am reminded of how the disciples reasoned(theology) about Jesus having not been in the tomb..they reasoned(theology) other times and it causes them to miss God. But when Jesus rose and then came to them Personally, He had to open their minds to understand. He caused them to move reasoning to understanding .All of the hidden wisdom and knowledge were in Jesus. No amount of reasoning(theology) could have opened up their minds to the Scriptures

[@BlueWave-k7c]

Theology shouldn't be an ego booster. The study should automatically lead one to "worship" if the student is understanding the scriptures. Gratefulness for the food/word feeding ones spirit. And thanking God for that is worship.

[@Tylerstrodtman]

Tracking with how the title of this video really matches the content, but in one sense because of where my mind went, the point is still well taken. Informally, I would consider myself a Calvinist in the sense that God is sovereign over salvation. I’ve never read Calvin before. But what Calvin means in terms of Soteriology is that God is sovereign and active within the salvation of people over and above, or even to the total neglect of any effort by people, then I would agree with that. I also only read the New Testament in English, and I’ve never had anyone actually engage me when I propose this perspective, but just read, the new testament, and even the Old Testament, in reference to when people are saved. Look at the verbs that are used. Who are they described to? So I know Armenians would never say that we save ourselves, they would say that we are saved by grace, but all of the action described in the Bible in reference to people being saved, has to do with God, not us. I’d really be curious for someone to engage me in that discussion, I can’t find any content where anyone has done a word study or anything like that about this, maybe that’s my niche and I’ll get back to you in five or six years about it. It really stands out to me as obvious that when a person is saved, the primary focus And action is not on the person themselves, but in the work of Jesus Christ, and so if that makes me a Calvinist, then I’m fine with that.

[@343jonny]

​​@@Tylerstrodtman Scripture affirms both pretty evenly. The apostles always go around calling people to action saying "repent and believe" but Paul's letters emphasize God elects and predestined people to salvation. The emphasis is on both.

[@loveyourenemy7796]

I had this discussion with a Catholic because they tend to believe that they can never be sure if they will be saved. I brought up the time Peter was walking on the water with Jesus and worrying over the intensity of the waves, begins to sink. Jesus didn’t tell him to get back into the boat, He surely didn’t just ask Peter to just give Him a slippery wet hand. That’s not how you save a drowning man, every swimmer knows that. No, Christ reached in and took him at the elbows, at least, or maybe He got down in the water Himself to grab his chest like a lifeguard would. We know one thing, Peter didn’t save himself, and no matter what part he had to have in it, Jesus did at least twice the work, so that Peter would be saved. We know we can be saved, because He accomplished it. We know we will be because we decide we will go TOWARDS Him and not turn back. Like the chorus: I have decided to follow Jesus, no turning back, no turning back.

[@ogloc6308]

@@343jonnyTbf the elect would be the ones repenting and believing and the unelect won’t. God uses the means of Gospel preaching as the power of God unto salvation even if He already determined who would be saved.

[@B-mg1pr]

I identify as a Calvinist, yet I have never read any of John Calvin's works. My beliefs align with those of Calvinism simply from studying the Bible, and I later discovered that these views correspond with the teachings of Reformed denominations. Still, I have not read a single book by John Calvin.

[@ProphetGreg94]

I have the hard copy to all of Calvin’s entire commentary on the Bible. And I have his institutes. I used to be a Calvinist for years. Let me tell you, there are far better things to read than John Calvin.

[@TyXTheJedi]

Sorry, brother. Hard to take your input seriously with the handle… “Prophet Greg”.

[@arno7303]

Can you give me a prophecy please?

[@ProphetGreg94]

@@TyXTheJedi Yeah, that’s because the reformed community has done a nasty job by tainting the perspective of many Christians by constantly and relentlessly pointing out the charismatic charlatans (which there are many out there, don’t get me wrong). It has skewed the majority of people’s perspectives regarding the prophetic and charismata. When you constantly hear one message in an echo chamber, that’s what you get back. The fact is that history bares records to the continuation of prophets as early as late first and early second century (Didache 11:3-4). The only thing that would lead you to dismiss me are your theological presuppositions. But if people were humble enough to stop making prejudices of me, they’d see I’m not an ignorant fool, nor devoid of the grace that I claim to follow me.

[@ProphetGreg94]

@@arno7303 I’ll tell you what. I hold prayer and Bible study weekly on zoom. If you are sincere and really want to hear from God, come join. That’s the platform from which I offer personal prophecies to people. As always, it is as the Spirit wills. I can’t force God to speak. But if you are seeking, open your heart, and pray to God, it isn’t unlikely that God may just intervene for you, as I have seen occurs hundreds of times at this point. But even more than just seeking a prophetic word, we have to be careful that our aim is truly and ultimately Christ.

[@ProphetGreg94]

@@TyXTheJedi did my message go through? KZbin be acting up.

[@MrWhocares51]

Where do we find the Christians who believed what Calvin believed in the first 1000 years of Christianity?

[@SirMicahBroch]

Augustine. Chrysostom. Fulgentius. Prosper of Aquitaine. Arguably Clement of Rome and Ignatius. PAUL.

[@ryangoss6213]

@@SirMicahBroch That’s only the truncated version too

[@aussie1602]

@@SirMicahBroch yeah prior to late Augustine (400's) all of the antenicean fathers held to essentially provisionist interpretations of the scriptures. read Ireneus or justin Martyr.... VERY much free will not... God regenerates you to make you believe. Here is a small sample from Irenaeus: This expression [of our Lord], “How often would I have gathered thy children together, and thou wouldest not,” set forth the ancient law of human liberty, because God made man a free [agent] from the beginning, possessing his own power, even as he does his own soul, *to obey the behests (ad utendum sententia) of God voluntarily, and not by compulsion of God. For there is no coercion with God,* but a good will [towards us] is present with Him continually. And therefore does He give good counsel to all. And in man, as well as in angels, *He has placed the power of choice* (for angels are rational beings), so that those who had yielded obedience might justly possess what is good, given indeed by God, but preserved by themselves.

[@andys3035]

​@@SirMicahBrochChrysostom was a determinist?

[@ProphetGreg94]

@@SirMicahBroch 😂 😂 😂 😂

[@jeremy85]

''The Lord had declared that "everything that he had made . . . was exceedingly good" [Gen. 1:31]. Whence, then comes this wickedness to man, that he should fall away from his God? Lest we should think it comes from creation, God had put His stamp of approval on what had come forth from Himself. By his own evil intention, then, man corrupted the pure nature he had received from the Lord; and by his fall drew all his posterity with him into destruction. Accordingly, we should contemplate the evident cause of condemnation in the corrupt nature of humanity-which is closer to us-rather than seek a hidden and utterly incomprehensible cause in God's predestination.'' [Institutes 3.23.8]

[@iThinkBiblically]

John Calvin wasn't even a Calvinist. Read his commentary bellow: John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! "John Calvin - And when he says, the sin Of The World, he extends this favor indiscriminately to the whole human race"; John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. - "John Calvin - And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found inthe world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life". John 4:42 Then they said to the woman, "Now we believe, not because of what you said, for we ourselves have heard Him and we know that this is indeed the Christ, the Savior of the world." "John Calvin - Again, when they affirm that Jesus isthe Christ andthe Savior of the world, they undoubtedly have learned this from hearing him. Hence we infer that, withintwo days, the sum of the Gospel was more plainly taught by Christ than he had hitherto taught it in Jerusalem. And Christ testified that the salvation, which he had brought, was common to the whole world, that they might understand more fully that it belonged to them also". John 12:47 And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. "John Calvin - Why then does Christ not choose to condemn them? It is because he lays aside for a time the office of a judge, and offers salvation to all without reserve, and stretches out his arms to embrace all, that all may be the more encouraged to repent". Paul makes grace common to all men, not because it in fact extends to all, but because it is offered to all. Although Christ suffered for the sins of the world, and is offered by the goodness of God without distinction to all men, yet not all receive Him. - John Calvin (Romans 5:18) It is also a fact, without controversy, that Christ came to atone for the sins “of the whole world.” But the solution of all difficulty is immediately at hand, in the truth and fact, that it is “whosoever believeth in Him” that “shall not perish, but shall have eternal life.” John Calvin (Treatise on Eternal Predestination) And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life. - John Calvin (John 3:16) For it is the will of God that we should seek the salvation of all men without exception, as Christ suffered for the sins of the whole world. - John Calvin Commentary (Galatians 5:12) Martin Luther You may say: “Who knows whether Christ also bore my sin? I have no doubt that He bore the sin of St. Peter, St. Paul, and other saints; these were pious people. Oh, that I were like St. Peter or St. Paul!” Don’t you hear what St. John says in our text: “This is the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world”? And you cannot deny that you are also part of this world, for you were born of man and woman. You are not a cow or a pig. It follows that your sins must be included, as well as the sins of St. Peter or St. Paul. And just as you are unable to expiate your sins, so they have been unable to expiate theirs. There are no exceptions here. Therefore do not yield to your own thoughts, but cling to the words which guarantee you and all believers forgiveness of sin through the Lamb. Don’t you hear? There is nothing missing from the Lamb. He bears all the sins of the world from its inception; this implies that He also bears yours, and offers you grace. - Martin Luther (John 1:29) To entertain a true conception of Christ is important, for the devil describes Christ as an exacting and cruel judge who condemns and punishes men. Tell him that his definition of Christ is wrong, that Christ has given Himself for our sins, that by His sacrifice He has taken away the sins of the whole world. Martin Luther (Galatians 1:4) It made Him guilty of the sins of the whole world. It overwhelmed him with such anguish of soul that His sweat was as blood. The Law condemned Him to the shameful death on the Cross. Martin Luther (Galatians 4:4-5)

[@SirMicahBroch]

Sounds like you just do not know what a Calvinist is.

[@victoralvarado5237]

Bro proved Calvinism trying to debunk it 💀

[@seanshetler]

The problem with intellectualism and Calvinism is when people don’t share what they learned and try to overcomplicate the Bible . The problem with Calvinism is predestination and Gods sovereignty. It says that everything is predestined and there for the fervor to evangelize is not the same. The Calvinists and the Reformers don’t believe in the office of the evangelist. Ephesians 4:11-12 and 2 Timothy 3:16-17. Great video from Pastor Paul Washer on this topic. He tells the Reformers to their face that they act as if the evangelist does not even exist. Pastor Paul Washer says “I know because of Calvin and others that they don’t believe in the evangelist but Charles Hodge And Spurgeon disagree and so would I.”

[@jasenandluciasawyer]

Hi, I’m a Calvinist and I fully believe in evangelizing because I see it in Scripture. I attend a reformed Baptist church. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t value evangelism. 💛

[@andriesbritz6061]

Psalm 139:16 “Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them. NIV Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.”

[@arkikali5632]

*sigh* You are incorrect. Calvinists absolutely believe in spreading the word, or they should. Because while the Bible says people are predestined, it also says that a person has to hear the word of God to be converted, the word is the PRIMARY tool he uses to bring people to him. That's part of the Great Commission--to spread the word.

[@seanshetler]

@ Yes there are exceptions like William Carey and John Wesley and Jonathan Edwards etc. But generally speaking the fervor of Calvinism and Unitarianism in evangelism is not there. I just finished 20 pages 📃 on this topic in Seminary.

[@B-mg1pr]

You're saying Calvinism prioritizes intellect over evangelism. However, that's a misrepresentation - Calvinist theologians like Spurgeon and Edwards were passionate about spreading the Gospel, and their theological framework actually fueled their evangelistic efforts. In fact, Calvinism's emphasis on God's sovereignty and the doctrine of election can actually motivate believers to share the Gospel with confidence, knowing that God is the one who ultimately saves. So, to say that Calvinism undermines evangelism is a misconception that doesn't hold up to historical or theological scrutiny.

[@philblagden]

I believe "God works ALL THINGS after the counsel of his will" as per Ephesians 1:11. Election is taught in scripture but so is personal responsibility and the universal offer of the gospel. For me it is comforting to know that God has a plan and a destiny for his people which includes preparing good works for us to do in advance as per Ephesians 2:10.

[@danzo8372]

I think the point of people speaking on soteriology is not to discount what calvinists have done for the faith but to speak on the mere fact of our mandate as christians which in essence is in null in void if you hold to the Calvinism view on the elect. You might see it differently when you grow up in a household where your father is a proclaimed calvinist and you experience the difference compared to what the Bible actually says. Also Dr.Leighton Flowers was calvinist and so he knows how the mindset works, which is why he speaks up about it.

[@yarobrock]

What the Bible actually says: 1.Ephesians 1:4-5 “For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will.” 2.Romans 8:29-30 “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.” 3. John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.” 4. John 15:16 “You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit-fruit that will last-and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.” 5. 2 Timothy 1:9 “He has saved us and called us to a holy life-not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time.” 6. Acts 13:48 “When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.” 7. Romans 9:15-16 “For he says to Moses, ‘I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.’ It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.” 8. Romans 9:22-23 “What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory?” 9. Matthew 22:14 “For many are invited, but few are chosen.” 10. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 “But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.”

[@krichard_]

There’s a dude that dubbed himself a “prophet” that’s in every comment thread 😂 nobody reasonable is going to take you seriously bro

[@shirleygeer5376]

Can I give a HUUUGE AMEN to this!!!

[@LaneSims]

Calvinists never seem to believe their children aren’t part of the elect. Funny how that works 🤔

[@ProphetGreg94]

@@LaneSims 😂 right? Lol

[@B-mg1pr]

You are being willfully ignorant. I'm Calvinist and don't believe that, so now you can't say never. But please, enlighten me on who teaches this heresy within the Reformed community.

[@matthewvelazquez2013]

We Catholics use a different term for over-intellectualizing the Bible in a manner that leads to convolution: Over-Scrupulosity... ...Over-Scrupulosity...

[@christopherverrett6307]

Theology is important, but it is important to understand what influences lay behind various theological systems - For instance NeoPlatonism (not an actual hermeneutic using Biblical exegesis) was one of the major systems of interpretation that influenced the eschatology of Roman Catholicism and was adopted and then reinforced by Reform Theology.

[@B-mg1pr]

It's not entirely accurate to say that Reformed Theology adopted and reinforced Neo-Platonism without also considering biblical exegesis.

[@retrictumrectus1010]

AR's take on logos is really interesting. You appreciate the word logos when put into its cultural context. The word's really heavy.

[@DoingItTheHardWayAgain]

Gotta love those who trust doctrines less than 500 years old vs the doctrines of the early Church, 2000 years old. Mankind seems to think that people who lived prior to them were not as intelligent or less blessed. Sounds like "evolution" prior to the theory of evolution.

[@truthdefenders-]

What doctrines of “the early Church” don’t they believe?

[@pedroguimaraes6094]

Except that Calvinism or predestination is a belief that dates back to tAugustine of Hippo and other western church fathers and was the majority belief among scholastic theologians in the medieval era, such as Dun Scoutus, Bonaventura and Thomas Aquinas.

[@truthdefenders-]

@ it’s biblical, nuff said.

[@DoingItTheHardWayAgain]

@truthdefenders- Thank you for asking, rather than write a mile long list with each of the church fathers (first Bishops or as some may refer to them "elders") here are 3: Election, predestination and of course the most important one: The Real Presence of God in The Holy Eucharist. Now for those who still claim "once saved always saved" and or "faith alone" we could list those too, however from what I have learned about the thousands of denominations claiming to be calvinists, these may or may not apply. The rest of the line items would take a lot more than a comment to list and reference early Church writings and evidence. I would also in a detailed list refer to The Books of The Holy Bible, be it Church history and the original Canon or be it historical evidence, such as The Dead Sea Scrolls, that definitely confirm the modernist theory of 66 books as unfounded, however, this would then be entering into much more than what Calvin himself introduced, but he did inherit it and he contributed to it, so he is not without fault.

[@DoingItTheHardWayAgain]

@truthdefenders- You trust the extreme radical revolutionaries over the founding saints?

[@mattdezigns]

Some of my favourite preachers and authors are Calvinist but I for Calvinism itself....I don't really care. It's not something I really think about or give much attention too.🤷 If you're a Calvinist, cool. If you're not...cool.

[@B-mg1pr]

I wish more people would have the attitude you have about this subject.

[@mattdezigns]

@@B-mg1pr Yeah I just see it as a side issue. Though I disagree with it I'm don't lose sleep because of it. Most people probably don't even know what Calvinism is... I'd much rather focus on other topics.

[@rebekahearly1144]

I recognise David Wood, but not the other two conversing with Ruslan here - where can I listen to/ watch more from them?

[@JadDragon]

Anthony Rogers and Artur from Apologia Center

[@ReformedMind]

I’m not a Calvinist because I’ve read John Calvin, I hold Calvinist beliefs because that’s what the Bible teaches. No need to be offended if you hold another view… God’s Sovereign, I’m a sinner. May God be gracious on us all as we dispute his nature.

[@B-mg1pr]

Exactly my case. I still haven't read any of Calvins books or commentaries. It wasn't until after I studied God's word that I realized my beliefs naturally line up with what John Calvin apparently taught.

[@selwin26]

Respectfully No one in the Panel presented Exegetically profound reasoning. All the elementary arguments are just very entry level discussion for any Bible student on this.

[@TheApologeticDog]

I was triggered by the title......haha jk great clip!

[@stevenepstein6454]

It all comes down to sovereignty. How you define it.

[@maritucci4054]

It’s that horrible doctrine of predestination…

[@traviscrawford6516]

Have you read the New Testament?

[@pasang5386]

Even non-Calvinists will come to the predestination conclusion; people are upset with "double predestination.

[@andriesbritz6061]

Psalm 139:16 “Your eyes saw my unformed substance; in your book were written, every one of them, the days that were formed for me, when as yet there was none of them. NIV Your eyes saw my unformed body; all the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.”

[@rhonddavincent2803]

I don't care about commentaries, the most important thing is a close relationship with the Lord. The more I look into all this stuff the more depressed and confused I get. David Guzik is the best go to for biblical commentaries iny opinion. Intelligence can be a hindrance and don't get me wrong, I'm a structural engineering technician. God has everything geared to the child.

[@borneandayak6725]

The facts is, John Calvin create his own church that different from the Church that Jesus established. In other words, Calvinism was a man-made Church.

[@B-mg1pr]

That's a pretty bold claim, but I think it's a bit of a theological cheap shot - after all, Calvin wasn't trying to start a new church, but rather reform the existing one to be more in line with Scripture. It's like saying the Protestant Reformation was just a bunch of rebels trying to start their own club, rather than a genuine attempt to get back to the biblical roots of Christianity!

[@lszujo]

it's not an accident that the Bible is not a systematic theology book...sometimes it's poetry,other times it's mystical prophetic message,then you have stories and historical facts....a healthy dose of the whole Book will make you perfect not systematic theology written in platonic/greek philosophical/ mindset...

[@SirMicahBroch]

The purpose of Systematic Theology is to expound doctrines in a specific text. That is dogmatics and there is nothing wrong with it in the slightest.

[@lszujo]

nobody disputes that...the problem is,if you regularly feed on it instead of the whole counsel of God, it will present you a skewed view who God is and what 's expected of us......

[@SirMicahBroch]

@@lszujo no it won't.

[@TheMirabillis]

Knowing Theology and Apologetics took me away from the Christian Faith. Through Theology and Apologetics I came to understand that God creates People whom He knew would go to Hell. How can I love and worship a God that is cruel to most of Humanity ?

[@frost-ghost]

Calvanism -> Calvinism ;) good video!

[@jeffreyperea8184]

Good video

[@HKFromAbove]

What was the truth about Calvinism. That Calvin did produced good commentaries. This is the truth about Calvin not Calvinism.

[@Funkydood]

Big question: What happens on Judgment Day to all the souls that lived and died prior to Calvin's heresy???

[@truthdefenders-]

What “heresy”?

[@ProphetGreg94]

Judgment already occurred in 70ad when Jesus returned.

[@Migler1]

@@ProphetGreg94judgement on Israel yes. Judgement of the whole world and the transformation of the earth and our bodies, no.

[@ProphetGreg94]

@ there is no transformation of the whole globe. The new heavens and earth was already fulfilled and resurrection already occurred in 70ad.

[@Migler1]

@@ProphetGreg94 that is false. ”The creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now.” You will find that judgement did come on Israel. You will however not find full preterism in the patristic period, as you would have or readers believe. We know that we will obtain incorruptable bodies, and the earth shall be changed.

[@samuelplaatjes9619]

How do calvinists interpret John 3:16?

[@ramsaval]

Wish I heard a bit more about Dr. David’s viewpoints.

[@achristian11]

100% of people agree that Calvanism is not biblical lol 😂 ❤

[@B-mg1pr]

Took me a second to realize 😆

[@isaiahfoulidis3363]

Calling dividing over Calvinism immature is not wise. Calvinism is very popular among people who hold to every other major tenant of the faith, but judaizers in Paul’s day only stayed in one area as well. To deny God’s love for all and his justice (by claiming that people who had no choice will be punished) is blasphemy. Paul cast out other Christians for blasphemy. It’s serious.

[@BlueWave-k7c]

👀

[@coreylapinas1000]

you don't find the same Acrimony? Zwingli literally had Hubmeyer put to death.

[@MB777-qr2xv]

While I absolutely believe God causes/ordains/determines some things. I don’t believe He causes everything to happen. In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, "People built high places to sacrifice their children (in fire) to foreign gods, and He (God) says, "I did NOT COMMAND this, nor did it enter my mind." These are just a few of the MANY verses that speak of people making a choice; where Calvinism says, there is "No choosing" God decides. Isaiah 56:4 says, "For this is what the Lord says: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who CHOOSE what pleases me..." Isaiah 65:12 says, "...I spoke but you did not listen. You did evil in my sight and CHOSE what displeases me.” Isaiah 7:15 says, "...He will be eating curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the wrong and CHOOSE the right..." Proverbs 3:31 says, "... Envy thou not the oppressor, and CHOOSE none of his ways." 1 Chronicles 21:11 says, "So Gad went to David and said to him, “This is what the Lord says: ‘Take your CHOICE: three years of famine, three months of being swept away before your enemies, with their swords overtaking you, or three days of the sword of the Lord..." Deuteronomy 30:19 says, "This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now CHOOSE life..." Revelation 22:19 says, "Whoever desires (wants to) let him take the water of life freely." John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever (this means whoever chooses) believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

[@B-mg1pr]

You've brought out the big guns - a slew of verses that seem to suggest human choice is a real thing. I'll give you that, these verses do appear to indicate that humans have agency and can make decisions that please or displease God. But, as a Calvinist, I'd argue that these choices are still made within the bounds of God's sovereignty. Think of it like a parent giving their child choices, but still maintaining control over the overall situation. For example, in Deuteronomy 30:19, God sets before the Israelites life and death, blessings and curses, but that doesn't mean they have the ability to choose outside of God's ordained plan. It's like a parent saying, "Do you want to eat broccoli or carrots for dinner?" The child has a choice, but it's still within the parameters set by the parent. And in John 3:16, the "whoever believes" is not necessarily implying that anyone can choose to believe

[@joshendley]

A bit of a misleading title, but great discussion

[@tzaphkielmelekiyah1518]

Both sides have no understanding of the ancient cosmology , they both have the same false premise

[@smoothmax5563]

Is David wood a Calvinist ?

[@G1stGBless]

No praise the the Lord. He is just born again. Not Catholic, Apollus, Calvin, Paul etc hehe

[@retrictumrectus1010]

Years ago, i forgot the wording, but essentially he is agnostic on those things. No committed position.

[@Orm-zn6fl]

Has Calvinism produced someone like Paisios the athonite?

[@aleguitarra]

Interesting how all have the same Bible, all say are guided by god but can't agree in the basics issues of faith 😂

[@joseflopez1858]

I don't believe Calvinism can ever be true, there has to be at least some level of free will so that humans love for God can actually be real, because otherwise are we really his children? Do we actually love him if we ourselves don't choose to?

[@B-mg1pr]

I get where you're coming from, but it's like saying a child's love for their parents is only real if they chose to be born into that family - Calvinists would say that God's sovereignty doesn't undermine the authenticity of our love for Him, but rather enables it, kind of like how a child's love for their parents is still genuine even though they didn't choose to be part of that family. Does a child's dependence on their parents make their love any less real?

[@mjrjolt]

My main problem with Reformed Theology is that they believe the Church is the "New Israel." They believe that God is finished with Israel. They forget that God's covenant love for Israel is irrevocable. Ezekiel 34-37. God is the "Holy One of Israel" and Israel is the apple of God's eye. As long as Calvinists subscribe to "REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY"--they are blinded and walking in great error. God told Abraham that "he who blesses Israel will be blessed and he who curses Israel will be cursed."

[@alexvolosin3562]

lol look into church history. It’s not reformed theology that teaches that, it’s the whole church history that teaches that.

[@bold2013]

I’m still working through this.

[@jeremiahl.a.3343]

Paul wrote that it wasn't the physical descendants who were the true Israel and the children of Abraham, but it is the children of promise like Isaac (Romans 9:6-9). He named the children of promise in Galatians 4:28. In Ephesians 2:11-13, he even stated that the Gentiles were once excluded from citizenship of Israel, but they have been brought near by the blood of Christ. The Jews and Gentiles who are in Christ are Israel because Christ himself is the Israel of God (Hosea 11:1, Exodus 4:22). Israel in the old testament was known as a vine (Hosea 10:1) So imagine what the Jews were thinking when they heard Jesus say that he was the "true vine" in John 15. Btw I'm not a Calvinist. I grew up in the Assembly of God denomination, so I was taught the dispensational Zionist stuff and used to believe in it until God had mercy on me and brought me out of it.

[@bold2013]

Hey thanks for the response. I too grew up AoG and find their beliefs are hard to square with the plain reading of the NT.

[@jasenandluciasawyer]

Hi I’m a Calvinist, and I don’t know a single Calvinist who believes replacement theology. 💛 just letting you know.

[@scottsteelman1303]

John Calvin burned Michael Servetus at the stake because he disagreed with his view of the godhead. John Calvin is a murderer, so why would we follow his views about anything and why would any group wear his name as a theological view. Luther is a murderer too. You guys would never follow men like this today nor even listen to what they had to say. I don’t get it.

[@dreday547]

John Calvin the guy who says your life is predestined whether you do good or evil? Is God not just? So God will judge those who he predestined to do evil?? Sounds like Johnny got a hold of the Quran as well.

[@SirMicahBroch]

Sounds like a strawman.

[@justin36004]

@ your deity predestined him to straw man. Blame your god.

[@SirMicahBroch]

@@justin36004 wow. The "arguments" never change huh? Just the same dredged up misconceptions.

[@justin36004]

@@SirMicahBroch it was predestined from before all time.

[@SirMicahBroch]

@@justin36004 But we are still responsible for our actions.

[@fredsegura9612]

Does piper , washer over intellectuals the Bible ?

[@TheLateOreo]

Hey Calvinists, feel FREE to disagree. Lol please stop denying that God gave us the CHOICE of accepting Jesus. Stop acting like you are automatically entitled to salvation. I care about and pray for you everyday.

[@DefendTheGospel007]

if you are chosen by God that it not entitlement. Entitlement would be you are owed something because you did something or merit it because of an action....sort of like I chose God and you didn't( my free will) or being part of God's community because you were born by blood.

[@samueladams4577]

@@TheLateOreo that's not what calvinism is. Calvinism is John 6

[@pedroguimaraes6094]

95% of the people I see disagreeing about Calvinism learned everything they know from pastors (usually charismatics and Pentecostal) who explained Calvinism in the laziest, strawman-filled way possible. The other 5% understand Calvinism, but they cannot exegetically support a contrary position when the Calvinist begins to present a systematic exegesis of the Bible, but he simply cannot accept it philosophically and that is okay.

[@truthdefenders-]

What are you talking about? 😆

[@corex72]

Agreed

[@smsog2236]

6:27 talk about exegesis! Wow, brother. wow!!!

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

_over_ intellectualizing? It's bad thomism

[@benjy288]

I didn't see any truth about calvinism in this video

[@shamounian]

It's Calvinism. And Calvinism is from the pit of hell, which is why so many leave it just like I did.

[@Given119]

Trusting that God is in complete and utter control of His creation isn't for those without faith, yeah. Which is why we'll continue to pray God has mercy on you, and gives you the faith to trust Him with His creation. May the demons that drive you, be rebuked, and the Shepard rescue you from the attacks of that which is truly from the pits of hell.

[@ProphetGreg94]

@@Given119 Calvinism is false doctrine.

[@Given119]

@@ProphetGreg94 not a single thing unbiblical, and therefore false about it, but cool story bro.

[@wannabewoodworker9705]

Acts 7:51

[@B-mg1pr]

I can tell you're passionate about this, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater - just because some people have had negative experiences with Calvinism experiences doesn't mean the entire theological framework is from the pit of hell. After all, some of the most influential and revered Christians in history, like Jonathan Edwards and Charles Spurgeon, were Calvinists - were they somehow duped by the devil?

[@raimundo1788]

I am 70% Calvinist 😂😂

[@dominiclapinta8537]

John Calvin, having given commentary on the truth, does not make it Calvinism. But Calvinism itself is not revelation of Scripture. The revelation that is in the Scripture, is truth, but Calvinism itself is not. That's what people don't get and so they think that there is truth in Calvinism, or that since John Calvin said some true things then it means that it was Calvinism or part of. It's simply not. When people get and say that the doctrines of grace are throughout the whole Bible, then they are incorrect. God's truth is throughout the entire Bible, but Calvinism is not. Calvinism is a system to interpret the Bible by. But the end result is not knowing the truth. The end result is declaring John Calvin's doctrine. I am reminded of when Jesus said that, "Moses gave you not that bread from heaven, but My Father". It is the same with Calvinism .the doctrines of grace gave you not the revelation of Jesus Christ and His Word. It is the Holy Ghost who gave it. The doctrines of grace cannot give what the Spirit gives.

[@wozywoz]

Bro how many ads can you fit in a short vid 😂

[@RealHannah254]

They lost Kanye West coz artists are spiritual not all that they present God as

[@arno7303]

Not sure the 'truth about Calvinism' was unraveled here. Im a calvinist, the broad brush you can use to determine a calvinist is just the adherance to solas. Scripture being our authority. I think the more the EO and Catholics are debating we are finding out exactly how important scriptural authority is...

[@caman171]

Sorry guys but I just cant learn anything form Calvin. If there is ANYTHING that is CRYSTAL clear in scripture, it is that Christ died for ALL. Its not fuzzy, vague, or too deep to grasp. When your theology so obvioulsy contradicts clear scripture, its hard to see anything else they may have to say

[@ansich3603]

calvinism is biblically true ❤️

[@ProphetGreg94]

@@ansich3603 lol 😆

[@ArticulateApologetics]

*John 6 entered the chat*

[@wannabewoodworker9705]

Calvinists don’t believe the gospel

[@ShrakeApologetics]

So glad I found Orthodoxy. The solas and Protestantism is not the truth ☦️

[@williambranch4283]

Calvanism? Shocking! ...

[@mrsapostate]

Become Orthodox. We do theology every week in Divine Liturgy.

[@kevinclement1533]

To be fair, ortho-bros on the internet are just as toxic as these calvinist keyboard warriors. Every denomination has its own fair share of zealots.

[@Snoopy0310]

johnny calvan

[@danielsanchez9891]

Misspelling Calvinism and showing two people who aren’t truly Calvinists on the thumbnail… why do I feel like this is going to be full of misrepresentations

[@ProphetGreg94]

@@danielsanchez9891 psh

[@dolphinitely_bro3944]

Study church history before the reformation. Orthodoxy is truth

CalvAnism 💀😂😂😂

[@DelicueMusic]

Calvinism*

[@ProphetGreg94]

@@DelicueMusic …is false doctrine

[@reaper5454]

I like many things in calvinism however I don't think it gets everything right. Calvinism has an immense issue when it says free will does not exist

[@G1stGBless]

AR and the guy on the left sound EXACTLY like the elite liberal media talking about how everyone is ignorant but them. The self-satisfaction is a little hard to stomach. I'm willing to overlook their gross pride if they are willing to overlook my gross ignorance of Calvin's commentary on Ezra & Nehemiah.

[@Given119]

Thankful to God that He hasn't lead me into Rome, or the Orthodox Churches. Both demand extra biblical faith, and practices. Rome demands you except the Marian dogmas, and Orthodox demand that you accept Icons. They both claim that to reject them is to reject Christ. Praise God He's given me the Reformed Christian faith and practice to follow!

[@seanyonthemic]

I’m in the middle of reformed theology. I’m somewhat Arminian and Calvinistic.

[@wjckc79]

☦☦☦

[@eew8060]

6:15- Would y'all extend that same grace to JWs? Can you explain _how_ we come to our non-Trinitarian beliefs?

[@kimnphilmasters4096]

No you fundamentally change the gospel and make yourselves gods. You may have spiritual power but not from God.

[@eew8060]

@kimnphilmasters4096 Ok. That's your opinion and I guess an answer to the first question. Can you answer the second question?

[@Nighhhts]

Calvinism = False Gospel

[@ashermarcus5242]

Calvanism is not Christianity. The tulip god is not the true God of the bible. If the foundation is false than it doesn't matter how nice or similar the rest of the building looks. I am not ashamed I just cant refer to tulip god believers as brothers and sisters in Christ.

[@nadaproblem3023]

Not much intellectual about duh Bible anyway 🤪 I wouldn't worry about it.

[@gf6110]

Protestantism is all wrong but Calvinists are the wrongest.

[@ogloc6308]

excellent argument

[@jasenandluciasawyer]

Romans 9 💛