The TRUTH About Computer Science Degrees in 2024

Let's talk about computer science degrees in 2024. Do you need one? Is it worth it? And can you actually become a self-taught developer in todays market?
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⏳ Timestamps ⏳
00:00 | Computer Science Degrees
01:17 | What A CS Degree Is NOT
02:13 | What A CS Degree Is
03:33 | Facts You Need To Know
07:24 | Comparing The Costs
11:27 | Who Should Get A CS Degree
13:55 | Who Should Not Get A CS Degree
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[@TechWithTim]

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[@lycan2494]

hi tim, just wondering, for your software dev course, does it guarantee a remote job or at least you guys can assist me in getting one after i finish the course? im not from the US.

[@TechWithTim]

@@lycan2494 yes the program has an entire section that breaks down how to land a job from crafting your resume and linkedin to showing you the types of roles to apply to.

[@lycan2494]

@@TechWithTim can this program propel me to work for a US company living in my country?

[@TechWithTim]

@@lycan2494 We can't promise that but of course it is possible as a lot of roles are remote.

[@omero6801]

I’m going to nova and get my associates and computer signs. Is it fine if I change and get my bachelors in software engineering

[@rkWilson]

Stack overflow actually has a survey where most professional software engineers have a CS degree. CS degree people are still preferred over people with any other degree or no other degree. People hiring software developers prefer people with CS degree or people with Engineering, Math or Physics degree. You don't need a degree is a myth perpetuated by online influencers and bootcamps to sell their courses.

[@philipsummerfield4066]

People that don’t get a college education have to come to these KZbin pages to learn more often than not. It’s in their interest to convince people that a degree is not necessary lol.

[@ceejay1353]

The stats overall demonstrate that people with a degree earn AT LEAST million dollars more over their life time. Even if you took out 100k in debt, you're still earning that money back. Also if you go to college on a campus, just being able to network with people before they've hit their success etc. There's so many opportunities at even mid tier schools to expand your skills and set you up for getting a job it's not even funny. You just have to take the time to actually leverage the career fairs, the clubs etc.

[@rkWilson]

​@ceejay1353 I don't actually believe everyone should go to college. Also in Anglo Saxon countries there is a push for everyone to go to college which has lowered standards for everyone. I think it's best to have apprenticeship program even for IT related stuff, and more people should go to that instead of college. Also useless degrees in Arts and sciences should be banned.

[@philipsummerfield4066]

@@rkWilson fact is, most people that go to these bootcamps and apprenticeships probably couldn't hack it in a college computer science degree. The amount of math and engineering you need to learn to understand the theory behind this stuff is not something you will pick up easily teaching yourself or in a bootcamp. Hence why people who get their degrees make significantly more money on average than those who don't, especially in this field

[@henryvaneyk3769]

It is actually not a myth. We have been instructed by HR to appoint a person if they have the required experience, even if they do not have a degree. I do not have a degree and I am the highest paid developer in our company, where there are some developers with degrees.

[@ServetTonga]

Another reason to get a degree is job requirements. Some of companies instantly eliminate candidates without a degree.

[@staying_substantially6186]

Well obviously. If you have 1000 applicants and 200 of them have degrees, beyond that there is no difference then you will focus on the 200 with a degree

[@ServetTonga]

@@staying_substantially6186 what I mean is they’re not even considered without a degree.

[@jenex5608]

More of Europe

[@ZyroZoro]

@@staying_substantially6186 I would focus on the 800 without degrees because they were able to teach themselves.

[@abdala3475]

Most companies will prefer experience over a degree

[@joedanlop]

The bootcamp/self-taught era is pretty much over. CS is a popular degree now and tons of graduates each year. If you are self-taught you are competing with new grads with a formal education, and experienced professionals who were laid off. Companies got burned by bad bootcamp grads. A goofy 3-month bootcamp isn't going to make you competitive. Colleges also provide internship/networking/career fair opportunities.

[@lukmanalghdamsi3189]

in my experience what makes the college a great choice is the networking

[@Digger-Nick]

Ironically boot camps made you more job ready than a CS degree, that was the entire argument for them.

[@lionedheart]

2.5 years in Mechanical Engineering here. Ive always saw the boot camp. Never saw 3 months. They are always 6 months to 12 months. It seems to me that the longer the course, the more legit it is. They get rid of all the core courses and teach hands on all the courses that are needed. At least what they claim. They also guaranteed job or money back

[@yafetsolomon2107]

@@lukmanalghdamsi3189what do you mean networking? I don’t think I understand how to utilize my college network. What would you sugggest?

[@Jamd0000]

I agree. No one is hiring bootcamp grads because, to be honest, the computer science field is over saturated as it is now one of the most popular majors and a lot of people are graduating with them. As seen in this video, doing bootcamps might help you be a better programmer but don't count on the bootcamp for a job alone.

[@julioo534]

You HAVE to get your degree in 2024+. You don't know how privileged you are when you have a degree in software or cs

[@FlemmingDidriksen]

Degrees Can only give you fundamentals but that is important too. Details comes from your own time. My fundamentals still help (34 years later) to take IT decisions.

[@johnnytoobad7785]

Back in the day....(aka late 70's early 80's). IT gigs were pretty easy to get. I "dropped out" from a "big 10" school with a background in EE and CS. I took a job in Fortune-500 company on the East coast in IT Computer Operations. The shop was implementing DEC systems into their remote locations. I was one of the few people there who had extensive (albeit academic) training on DEC systems. One year later, they promoted me into "development". They kept promoting me...and I stayed there for 4+ years. I was also lucky that my "boss" (aka project leader) was also my technical "mentor". That's when I really learned about development vs. production, platform interfacing, real world "problems" and my favorite...memo writing and user-level communications. Mentoring, speaking&writing and overall "social comfort" (with other peers) are really important in your first job.

[@etgaming6063]

I have yet to see a job posting for data science that does not have a degree requirement. A lot of them require a minimum of masters too. Which is dumb because almost all my learning has come from Codecademy and building my own projects. I think no degree is more for SWE.

[@another_lazy_learner]

I dropped out 25 years ago and I am now back with only two more years left to get my computer science degree. I highly recommend getting a CS degree there’s more to it than just programming and it opens up way more doors than just being a self taught programmer.

[@jaa928]

A portfolio is better than a degree. As a software company owner, I've met with multiple local universities looking for opportunities to hire grads or offer internships. The curricula are generally theoretical or outdated tech where they attempt to be hands-on. Sitting on the sidelines for 4-5 years in a fast-moving field like software is obviously going to leave you behind. To pay $100K-$200K for that downtime could permanently derail your personal finances. I'd only recommend a degree if you do it in parallel with working on learning skills on practical projects which could help you launch a product or build a good portfolio.

[@AparnaGurudiwan]

💯🙌

[@Dee-zy2xv]

Well said and as literally emphasized in Tims promotion video ads with Course careers

[@AD-wg8ik]

You’re correct in some CS programs being antiquated, but also a degree gives you great foundational knowledge, and will allow you to be more flexible in a shifting market. Also, the barrier to entry is rising, due to the influx of new talent. Companies need to filter the applicant pool and unfortunately the self-taught are usually the first filtered out.

[@harrythebookworm]

Hi, what or which course would you recommend? I’m an Optometrist, but want to learn to code, to improve my understanding of our website and also to have technology working along selling eyeglasses online. Thank you for your help in advance.

[@bored_daisyxo]

Yeah the degree route was much better for me. Started self teaching myself and had personal projects, but didn’t actually start getting interviews until I started a post bacc in computer science that was less than $10K from a state school. I know you’re trying to sell your course, but there are definitely affordable CS degrees out there, and you’re qualified for internships whereas before you were not. You can really stand out from the crowd with a degree with all the competition out there.

[@ArisAris-fs1ip]

Self taught here. I self studied for 1 year, 6-7 hours a day. I live in Europe, and got a job six months ago. You just have to love it to succeed.

[@dkmi677]

True

[@kazmi401]

Same here!

[@jeli780]

What did you study and which method?

[@ArisAris-fs1ip]

@@jeli780 the basics python crash course. then some freecode camp. then i decided to make projects, using full stack Django. When I was lost, i would see a youtube video, chat gpt or read the documentation. Basically 80% actually building projects, 20% theory.

[@ArisAris-fs1ip]

@@jeli780 80% building projects, 20% studying theory. i started with freecodecamp, then started building projects using fullstack Django. Whenever i stuck, i searched youtube, googling, chat gpt.... I didnt pay for anything. When I created a portfolio, I found a job after 22 days of applications as a backend laravel developer.

[@spkim0921]

I used to think back in january 2021 that I'd take a few CS courses at a local institute of technology and get a certificate and work as a software dev. Turns out after 24 credits, I realized I needed to know WAY more. Now, with 54 credits under my belt, I have a junior dev job, but I still feel I should know more if I ever want to work as a senior dev and plan to finish at least another 21 credits part time. But I'll probably realistically take another 30 credits or more.

[@primeix]

I am 42 I landed a job that is a hybrid network engineer : software engineer. I started college at 40 because job paying for it. I am almost done 6 months left. I would say I have learned like Tim said about 25% useful things. I also agree it takes a certain person to do this. I don’t think I am a good coder but I am a good network engineer so combining software makes me acceptable.

[@syedasifhussain2074]

Thanks alot Tim I was so stressed in choosing a carrer and now I'm pretty that I'll be better off somewhere like a data science since I am intrested in business more

[@cody_codes_youtube]

As a CS degree holder, this is actually a really good video about the topic. And I really agree with the part of you still need to learn outside the degree

[@Kevin-uc9fw]

Very true

[@gdawg77123]

It is because you went to an unremarkable school. If you went to a decent school you wouldn't be making this statement. I have seen the difference between a top tier and a lower tier school first hand in Computer Science. :)

[@cody_codes_youtube]

@@gdawg77123 so have I. Even top tier graduates are still learning a lot in the workforce. I’ve actually worked with those top tier grads and they have made things worse because of ego. But that’s okay, we all are learning something in the workforce

[@gdawg77123]

@@cody_codes_youtube I can still pick up your insecurity here. What you learn in the field will always be trivial, you get your core in a very good school. And yes, school quality matters, especially in skill jobs like this. A good school doesn't mean you are competent, but it is one of the main pillars. People from unremarkable schools always try to compensate with non-academic field-specific stuff. If you came from a top tier school, you wouldn't think like this. It is as simple as that. Of course, you will learn outside of your degree. But your competency will come from the rigor you've been through in your degree, given that you paid attention in your school..

[@cody_codes_youtube]

@@gdawg77123 ha, okay man. I’m just going off my own experience. No need to get weird on KZbin calling people out for not good enough schools, name calling, etc. You’re not wrong, but your stance is overly aggressive and if you have the experience you’re alluding to, then you should know it’s all nuanced and depends on the situation.

[@etimezz]

I went to school for CS (online postbacc program) in my late 20's after completing a degree in music at age 22. I am 2 classes away from finishing my degree after 3 years as a part-time student. I got a really good job in support software engineering after my first year of school, largely due to the skills I gained in school. However, I cannot recommend getting a CS degree if you already have a college degree because of how much time/money it takes to complete. I think having a bachelor's degree is useful, and getting one in CS is especially useful, but if you already have a degree or have no interest in going to college, then don't do it. There are more time/financially efficient ways to do so. I definitely could have got my same job or a different one in software engineering without being in the degree program, and now it feels like I'm just finishing the program for the sake of it.

[@AdrianTregoning]

I am 42 with a degree in mechanical engineering, currently teaching myself to code. I would warn youngsters strongly about taking a gap year. I've got friends where one year became two and basically never stopped. I wanted to sail yachts, my parents said get a degree then you can do whatever you want. It was worth it. However I know how stupidly expensive tertiary education is in the USA, which is likely a large percentage of viewership here. To the people without a degree, your motivation and attitude towards work will count more. Unfortunately, without the degree you may sometimes struggle to get that door to open. But also know that most jobs one will get through contacts, or direct contact. So network as much as you can. To date I've still never gotten a job via a recruiter.

[@milopay]

There are colleges in Europe which includes practical work experience as part if their program so once you graduate, you actually have both the degree and experience to land a job and to make it even better it's totally free for EU citizens and in fact many countries here in the EU offer free University degrees such as Germany and Malta.

[@tahirm09]

Excellent !!!

[@DJRanoia]

I love my degree. I learned so much in a great structure. I commuted so not much debt at all. I think I became a well rounded person from it. And I agree you also still need to learn programming outside of school to be valuable.

[@Dee-zy2xv]

100%agree with Tim on every point made... especially as i worked in University for 5years as a dorm manager with students that fall under all thise points being made upfront and personally... heard all the stories n narratives firsthand

[@ulisesgezmain]

Excelente video 👍

[@sadiqkhawaja7019]

Great video as always, I was wondering if you could make a video on how to work with open source, contribute, be useful etc.

[@ciberkid22]

As a senior in my degree, this feels like a good reality check lol I looked at interview questions showing code that we never did for our coding classes, so I'll have to catch up on all the leetcode lol I've recently started on building practical projects too which is a start

[@ceejay1353]

If you want to go the self taught route YOU DO NOT NEED TO PAY A SINGLE PENNY TO LEARN! There are many many many free resources for absolutely everything to get a software dev job. If you want to get a degree, You can earn world class degrees online from home part time. Georgia tech has a M.S. program for about 7k. UT Austin for about 10k,. Even Stanford has an online compsci degree that you can do for I think like 45k (if you can get into the program, graduate and somehow can't get a job, that's a you problem). You can earn mid tier degrees online part time for about 1k or less per course for undergrads (SNHU, UND). There's even self placed courses at UND (not the full degree). So you CAN go to even top and mid teir schools without going into massive debt, you just need to make a plan for it. If you want more software development skills, you also need to plan for it by either picking a different school/program or getting more of that on the side.

[@asadhashmi5883]

I’d say go to community college first and get the pre-reqs out the way then transfer to a 4 year. At a cc you can easily knock off 60 credits of a 120 credit program fairly quick (just make sure the classes transfer to your desired 4-year). It’s much cheaper and flexible than a 4 year so you have more time to learn additional skills and work a job alongside doing school whilst saving a lot of money.

[@rishabhnarula1999]

Really helpful advise. 👍🙏

[@tommeadows-ie2xb]

25 year professional developer in NYC. None of my comp sci training was relevant to any of my jobs, in particular the calculus, probability theory, discreet math, etc. But gone are the days of the face to face interview where you had the opportunity to sell yourself. I got many jobs just by doing a good whiteboard of my last project. Now you go thru multiple levels of testing before you meet a human being.

[@abdebuilds]

Tim, I have been a subscriber since covid time and I like watching your videos. This year, I will graduate from high school as a dotnet developer with a freelance job. Long story short, I am already on the track on the field and I am teaching everything myself. I want a degree just to say I have a degree, so, I was planning to go through an online degree program that costs less than 5K USD for the whole 4 year program. Do you think that is good enough and cheap enough to say I have a degree and do you think it will give me the flexibility of continuing on self-teaching? Thank you! Edit: Another Consideration, I am from Africa, Ethiopia

[@yamogebrewold8620]

If you can, go to university. I know that there is computer science in Addis Ababa University. I have a colleague at work who studied CS in Addis. Good luck!

[@abdebuilds]

@@yamogebrewold8620 why should I prefer a full time study at a university in person while I can manage my time and go for an online degree?

[@yamogebrewold8620]

@@abdebuilds Do whatever suits you. But don't skip CS. And it's not just about the degree, it's about what you learn in school. I would also do some research about the online degree program before enrolling in it. Is it worth the money and how is the quality, etc? And is it a proper university that organizes the online program, or is it just some scam academy that tries to make a profit out of people looking for a career?

[@yamogebrewold8620]

@@abdebuilds I also believe a lot more in physical human interactions. I myself studied an online degree, but I wish I had studied on campus. Some computer science concepts are best taught in person with a whiteboard. You get the chance to ask your teachers about complex issues.

[@sitrakaforler8696]

CS dégrée is important Not mandatory but you have an competitive advantage with it

[@easyDoes1T85]

Worked for me. Great foundation

[@lorenzogibson2212]

I strongly agree. I think with the way society has changed, especially technologically, college can no longer be seen as having a monopoly on being a source of learning for post high school education. Pretty ironic that with college, a lot of times the idea is that you going to broke to learn skills not to be broke.

[@Basta11]

You don't need a Computer Science degree per se but it is a lot easier for you to get a job compared to others - all else being equal. Math, Physics, Engineering degrees are somewhat equivalent for most companies. 1. Fundamentals of Programming - It takes a bit of time to actually understand well. Usually, 1 year in a college setting. A 3 month bootcamp is too short for most people. 2. Data Structures and Algorithms - Very important class in tech interviews. 3. Mathematics - A CS program usually requires up to Linear algebra. This is extremely important for machine learning. Statistics is very important for Data Science. 4. Computer Science - Its good to actually know how a computer works from the electrical components, logic gates, memory, machine code, Assembly, operating systems, compilers. Its like having deep knowledge in Biology and Chemistry for a healthcare professional worker. 5. Electives and Specialties - There are programming specialties that are very difficult to obtain without college. Computer Engineering, Bioinformatics, Quant Finance, Physics, Operations Management, Data Science. 6. Networking. Many of your classmates will be your peers. They may help you along your career with advice, referrals, and information. There are clubs that help with tech interviews. There are events like Hackathons, competitive programming. There is also Alumni support, meetups, mentoring.. 7. Career Resources. Establish collegeds are feeders to the big companies like MAANGs, Consulting, Investment Banking, Government, Military, Fortune 500s, etc.

[@kbmnbm7540]

ANY ONE CAN CODE BUT DEGREES PROVIDE PROBLEM SOLVING SKILLS ALONG WITH MATH. plus it provides high demand job security there is wide range of fields in computer science. computer architecture foundations of network and ML and AI and having analytic foundations really matters in problem solving and mathematical solutions in computer science

[@saidhonsaidmavlonov85]

hi bro I recently subscribed to your channel and I will say that I like your content and it is very useful but I have a question: can you do brute force training using Selenium? it would be useful for me

[@polygone3287]

To anyone watching and finance is the issue, i highly suggest what Im doing. Uber and Arizona State have a partnership where if you complete 2000 trips and keep good ratings, Uber covers 100% of tuition. The computer science degree requires at least at 24 composite on ACT. Ive been admitted and start in the fall. Super pumped!

[@7DuRd3n]

I went through a 2 year thorough web dev academy. Dunno bout degrees etc . I actually learned everything from declaring vatiables to building full blown stack apps.

[@MelkeyDev]

Hey Tim, just a quick question are you using any sort of AI filters in your video editing? Just wondering as I have been searching for some myself

[@paolaanimator]

What about affordable colleges/Universities, community colleges or online degrees? I feel like everyone seems to pick expensive college knowing they can get into huge amounts of debt, unless you get a huge scholarship or your family members help cover the costs. I’m planning to work at a job temporarily to save up and then attend an online degree program while working. That way I’ll get the degree and hopefully finish the degree with little to no debt, along with FAFSA and scholarships if it’s applied.

[@Mecagothits]

He does a really good job

[@twigmytwig9614]

I dropped out my my CS degree after one year and have been a full stack .NET developer for three years now. Not required so long as you dedicate yourself to standing out and being great

[@marcotroster8247]

You should move to Germany where all good universities are free in case money is an issue. I actually did my CS degree with focus on AI. Even had the chance to get into research, but eventually decided against it. Btw almost anything Tim said is true. I also did an apprenticeship to try the job first, then had a freelancing business during semester breaks. Without my prior experience, I wouldn't have had the same opportunities. Find your passion first or at least learn things that will be beneficial no matter what.

[@karolisrimkus7808]

Hey guys, how is the situation with IT jobs in Canada? I have a work visa and planning to come to Canada for a year, probably in Vancouver.

[@Aaron.Seabolt]

I went back to college in January of 2023 for a BS in computer software technology. I have zero regrets going back and I know it’ll give me an edge over people without it a degree. Where my hang up will be in my opinion is building my own projects.

[@ghost9031]

Very subjective and based off of the company. I'm a software engineer, without a degree. I don't even have a high school diploma, but I'm being picked over people with degrees due to my experience.

[@Aaron.Seabolt]

@@ghost9031 that’s awesome, I’m happy for you. I don’t know how I’ll fair after graduation, and as of right now I don’t feel confident enough to actually apply for internships. I’ve had two classes that are specified towards my major.

[@ghost9031]

@@Aaron.Seabolt Words from one of my earlier mentors: you don’t ever really feel ready. You just have to go for it.

[@Aaron.Seabolt]

@@ghost9031 so uhhh…indeed threw a job at me and I applied to it. Here’s to going for it 🍻😂

[@delanescott7872]

@@ghost9031 respectfully speaking youre branding an outlier as if its the norm. yes there are people like you but thats not the norm most people in tech that have the high positions paying the big dollars have degress. we all know you can get a job maybe but do people want a job or do they want the top tier career?

[@cod1120]

I'll be getting an associate degree that's made up of CS and CIS courses. I've mostly liked the CS classes over all but the CIS route requires less if I want to transfer to a university. Going the CS route is at least an extra year before transferring. I feel like I need the structure that comes with school if I want to keep moving forward. Otherwise, I just start prioritizing everything else in my life. So I guess my question is would I be better off going for a less demanding degree like CIS and compensate by learning the extra stuff employers want or should I spend the extra year for CS? I'm already working in an unrelated industry and am figuring out how to pay for university out of pocket if necessary. I like programming and software development sounds interesting to me as a career.

[@stronix1952]

im from germany, 18 and in the first year of my apprenticeship as a it-specialist at mercedes benz group services berlin, i will finish in 1 year and then i want to work there for 3 years (im safe to get the job) and while doing that getting a software enginnering bachelors degree while working full time. what do you think about that? (i want to work in the us in the future for FAANG companies)

[@aaronaustrie]

I really didn’t have a choice to put off college after high school cuz there weren’t many other options or opportunities in terms of jobs that would benefit me

[@psikeyhackr6914]

IBM hired John von Neumann as a consultant in 1951. When I worked for the company I never heard or saw any mention of the term "von Neumann Architecture". Most books have crappy explanations. It is usually electronics books that have good explanations but they do not use the term von Neumann architecture. Programmers usually do not know electronics though.

[@Sant270]

I took Computer Architecture in college and they taught how some of the electronics work but they didn’t went into a lot of details. computer Engineers are the people who study electronics way more in detail

[@psikeyhackr6914]

@@Sant270 Schools decide how to compartmentalize knowledge.

[@KaineMcAlister]

I recently started at a community college with a plan to transfer to a university once im done. I’m blown away by how many scholarships are available at the cc level. Haven’t paid anything, im in North Carolina.

[@delanescott7872]

i just graduated from a CC and i just applied to Ohio state university and got accepted, the college awarded me more money to attend than financial aid did, im born and raised from NC i wished i lived back home i would much rather go to school in my home state maybe attend like unc or duke.

[@joshuahorton5135]

I’m a data analyst I know SQL Excel(VBA) Python(when I say Python I mean Python, I build pipelines, automate emails and reports im not the best by any means but I’m not a beginner either.) PowerBI(DAX) R(im truly an amateur when it comes to R I’m still working on it but I can build a report using it and do some simple statistics) Java(im going back to school and it’s the language my major is using so getting familiar with it before hand) And im struggling to find work, and majority of the reasons for the rejections are due to my lack of a degree. It’s unfortunate yes the market is difficult right now I’d advise everyone take it as an opportunity to strengthen your skills become better for when the market becomes better

[@jbunny7910]

Could you make a video listing what you need to learn outside of getting your computer science degree? I’m about to graduate with a computer science degree, but you’re right I still feel like I’m missing something.

[@TechWithTim]

Great idea I think I will do that

[@joaquimamanho2193]

thanks Tim

[@tydatguy]

I been learning as a self taught software developer. This road is very iffy because as I learn more I realize how much I didn’t learn. Your roadmap is very crucial and I think I missed a lot of logic learning as I learned how to build things where logic is not discussed. I also spent more time learning the framework than the language it was based on. My advice to any new self taught programmer is learn the foundation of your language. Study logic and algorithms before you want to build the next Facebook or KZbin.

[@AparnaGurudiwan]

*study logic and algorithms*

[@protopan7722]

hey tim just wondering are you recording this video at bali?

[@putuadibrata]

bro that is also what i was thinking. i once saw a tropical background in his videos. it makes me think he is in bali. heheh

[@TechWithTim]

i am!

[@putuadibrata]

@@TechWithTim broo, no way. How much do you pay for rent a month?

[@abutalha2589]

Hey Tim ! i am 23 years old right now and i want to work in tech, should i go for undergraduate or learn on my own ???? PLease reply ! I did electronics engineering 2 year diploma from canada and now i got my PR and now i am domestic student for university instead of paying lot of tution as an international student.

[@user-lt6hz7jh2p]

I got my associates in applied science / computer programming this may . I’m still wondering if I should get my bachelors . Currently , working on projects

[@Obzrve]

I got my associate degree engineering technology. I pay for it out of pocket. I feel like it was complete waste of money. But it worked out because it helped me transfer my credit to a university so I can get my CS degree. And I’m considering focusing on machine learning.

[@Jamd0000]

If colleges got rid of general edu, the degree could take only 2 years instead of 4 but of course the universities would hate to lose free money like that

[@monybaruch4831]

Hi I love your content and mind set , I want to ask your opinion on my correct state I am 35 years old and I entered this world a year ago , I did a fullstack course and I don't have a degree at all , do you think it's possible to get a job at my state?

[@ChitChat]

As a mid-level network engineer it's the same with computer science degrees. Most of them still need their CCNA cert in order to be taken seriously in the networking world. And honestly they only really need the cert if they know for a fact they love networking and only want to do that.

[@nathanliew2103]

Network engineering jobs are diminishing fast. Cloud computing has taken over. Noone is configuring routers and switches anymore. CCNA is pretty much useless and basic networking knowledge is sufficient for you to work around the cloud.

[@Toulkun]

@@nathanliew2103 Agree DevOps is rising fast and more in demand. Still dont think network administration will go away any time soon, many companies still prefer having own server's so need for more switches and route's will stay. However cloud's are still hosted someone in data center's that need to be still operated and mainteined, but considering DevOps relies on server's that are set up in companies like AWS, MIcrosoft etc.. that provide Cloud services the need for actual data center's for general organization's (non-tech related for example) will definitely diminish. So yes, network admin's will still be needed but for companies providing cloud services. Dont think network administrators and engineer's will diminish for hosting providers in every country though. So in the end we can agree that there will be less demand for network engineer's and admins unless companies provides hosting services localy or globably.

[@domferris9963]

You really think that cloud engineers who make a lot of money don’t at least have a CCNA level of understanding of computer networks? The cloud isn’t some magical entity that gets rid of the need for network engineers.

[@nathanliew2103]

@@domferris9963 I mean you really don't need a CCNA. I used to be a cloud engineer and now a devops engineer and I don't think I'm paid less at all and I think CompTIA Net+ for example is way more than what you need. I don't even take that since AWS SysOps for example covers less that that. Moving to the cloud is essentially getting rid of network engineers because you no longer need people to configure router and switches as it abstracts the physical layer

[@PixelThorn]

Honestly, the 2 year gap sounds great, but I advice against it, it sounds like you would have the time of your life and all the time in the world to develop your passions, but for most people it's just a period of nothing, better then to just go get the degree immediately, I took a gap year, and a job, but I never had any energy pursuing my passions after the job, so it was wasted time

[@SavageDarknessGames]

46 years old, mental illness, never got a degree but was taught theory and design by my father (a systems' analyst) at age 5 and 6 and have been a hobbyist programmer for 41 years, mostly self taught. So glad I never paid for a degree, I wouldn't of been able to handle it and just end up in debt.

[@mallagallabumbum8209]

*Laughs in European* My CS University degree cost 2.000 € including public transportation (which is quite good here). No, I did not forget 0s. My Uni was even one of the more expensive ones.

[@therealmcgoy4968]

In the past no degree but experience counted for something. I think a degree shows you have an interest in it, by itself it won’t guarantee you anything. I think having a degree, certifications, and project portfolio is all important. All of it combined shows you have a passion for this.

[@ashharkausar413]

According to APLU, on average, people with a college degree make $1.2 million dollars more over their lifetime vs someone without a degree. Now what would that say about a person with a CS degree? I imagine it's alot higher. Also you can slash your debt considerably by going through community college for 2 years, then transferring. While there are some people that were able to land a job without a degree, there are many that never landed a job. Something to think about.

[@DrKleinIll]

I pretty much understand people landing a job without a degree, everyone needs their own income, but when it comes to specific topics, like machine learning, it is very frustrating to see that, at least where I live, so many people make it to big companies without knowing calculus and with poor statistics knowledge. Nowadays, it seems that knowing a framework has a lot more value than having good theory knowledge. What I mostly see in companies is people doing their "cake recipe" they learn in internet without any idea of what is behind that.

[@SabonaMarara]

please advice me am right now in college learn CS ! but i focus only javascript and am done some project is am correct?

[@tahmeedbinenam5628]

Watching this after literally dropping out last week. Don't know what the future holds. If anyone is reading this please pray for me xD

[@aaronaustrie]

My programming class was hella difficult and on top of that I didn’t feel connected to the class 😢

[@rverm1000]

the technology in the the manufacturing area is old. there are job advertisements for cs degreed people to work in this area. i knew a person who got a degree in cs in the factory i worked at once. she was doing quality control on documentation. yuc!. she went and got another job at another factory but they wanted her to learn python. i havent found a position in software programming yet. although i have been learning python for the past 4 yrs. i have many years experience in electronics and combining both would be the ideal job.

[@BuddhaTD]

I just wish I could get a clear sign if all the work I’m putting into learn is going to have a ROI. I am self teaching and it’s coming along. But all the Reddit and KZbin videos discourage if all this time is going to be wasted if I can not get a job.

[@aristonsaizoxic1048]

For immigration with Computer science degree, Is the HND pathway degree better or a Thailand private university degree better? (Search Engine and LLM languages can't provide enough information) Thanks for reading.

[@otakuleveledup8458]

You could top up a HND to a BSc very easily in the UK and repayment is like a tax not like a regular loan. Look at every country carefully with their rules. Thailand is a great choice. My granddad moved there to live there super cheap.

[@hatelortechnch]

what about certifications in computer science

[@MrsStark300]

What about doing a Bachelors in Software Engineering...Since it is a lot more practical does it make it more useful or not?

[@naomiesings]

I’m 23 and just started college and I am feeling so old 😅

[@ezanatadesa2485]

What about SE degree, i know they are similar but just in case there are some differences?

[@paultaylor658]

How does one know if they're "too stupid" to learn programming vs needing to work harder to overcome the learning curve? Based on the video if you arent a natural at logic & math then maybe better to become an electrician or contractor?

[@ahmedamr1124]

I have question about data science is communication and info engineering degree acceptable in that field

[@fraser1237]

indeed some people are naturally better programmers than others, normally the kids who are good at maths and quick-fire maths.

[@ImGeneralJAckson]

There are a lot of benefits to a degree that aren't monetary, such as critical thinking skills, networking, lifelong friends, exposure to new types of people and topics. It is a shame in the US the price of entry is so high.

[@tetttettamilli6761]

@Tim - "CS requires plenty of math" K, so how much math pass Calc I & II?

[@awmy3109]

Linear algebra, discrete maths, operations research, fourier transforms, partial differential equations, statistics etc CS requires plenty math, programming and software engineering does not. Don't equate CS with programming.

[@mohitthapa573]

You says no degree at 18 19 but I am started learning 2months ago and I am already 22 with no degree.. how hard it will be to get the job and what are the things should I do to get the job..

You are 22. You are young, super young in fact. If you want to land a job you have to do your own projects. Different companies that are looking for developers are looking for one thing and one thing alone. They are looking for people who are able to do the job. With your own project, you are demonstrating you can do the job. That’s it. CS degree might be beneficial in terms of emigration. But your projects, your work in your free time is the most important. They don’t care how old you are or what school you went to or what your grades were like. What they care about is your experience and work ethic. It’s that simple. You can also safely ignore whether the job posting is saying that you need to have 5 years of experience and computer degree. Just plain ignore it, send your cv and if they will smell that you are good, based on your projects, you will be invited.

[@yisyvonne]

Anyone else here doing Computer Science but NOT planning on becoming a software developer? I'm a Mathematics and Comp Sci major, plan on applying for PhD after I graduate. I feel like getting a CS degree to become a developer is kind of a waste of the theoretical information, better to do a business/engineering degree and teach yourself to code.

[@vitaliiivanov9514]

Another opportunity not to get in debt is getting remote degree. Indian universities very affordable, teach in English and quality is good enough.

[@dewwde]

i'm 31 yo, should i start to learn or is too late? i have no degree

[@Dewey_Barksdale]

Just get the degree. There is no need to take any shortcuts. This is your career. Make the most of it by acquiring higher education degrees and relevant certificates.

[@KyawWin-qz7po]

Is CS all about math Tim?

[@nadred5396]

Not a great take, a few years ago this was the case when there was jobs for online coursera programmers, but the fundamentals you learn in computer science are far more advanced than what you learn for programming online. Mathematics is another benefit, knowing mathematics helps a lot with making high quality software, anyone can make software but high quality software is completely different. Anyone who is able to learn programming on their own is only going to excel while doing a degree since there's plenty of time to study on your own as well. On average, no CS degree, you'll probably be looking to entry level jobs with little to no growth, and much of which will be replaced soon by AI.

[@polygone3287]

Best comment on here

[@atomikg]

Having a CS degree just makes it easier and quicker to get a job in tech fields, due to biases.

[@arcadiosincero]

Degrees are needed to get past the HR dipchits who gatekeep the jobs. To get around that, you'll need an inside person to help you out.

[@user-ju2pu8cf2l]

Get the degree if you have an actual passion for learning, not because you expect Uni/College to carry you off prestige alone - much less because parents told you to do so. People that have a passion or pursuit of an endeavor will continue growing from sheer curiosity, likely leading them to create a lifestyle out of ardor.

[@MnkyKing777]

I plan on getting a Master’s Degree in CS

[@Eltopshottah]

Degrees will be more important with the rise of A.I because anyone will be able to slap together a decent portfolio and probably using A.I for most of it and someone with a computer science degree will at least have a solid foundation in computers.

[@jerrymartejr]

Are you still bullish on blockchain development? I am planning to buy your course

[@samueldinkayehu2437]

trying to be a software engiener out of a computer science degree is the same trying to be a chef out of a chemistry degree

[@jenex5608]

Got my degree!!!

[@resodium4385]

Yooo I'm five months away from my degree

[@sbsafi4981]

Why Singapore ? Do the companies pay good there?

[@Nik-rx9rj]

Just remember people: don’t be a sheep! If you need a degree for your vocation then get one. Many, many jobs still have a degree as a baseline requirement and will give you the boot if you don’t have one. Actually research what is best for you instead of blindly listening to the herd.