The Truth About Lab-Grown Meat

[@pwolfamv]

So... You and Brian are basically telling me this morning that I wont be eating a lab grown steak on a supersonic flight to Europe on my modest government salary any time soon.

[@gary4936]

Unfortunately. ;-;)

[@sirBrouwer]

while following the insane migrations of the dragonfly. (BioArk)

[@alkureshi]

what's the point of living anymore....

[@realscience]

lol correct

[@pieter-bashoogsteen2283]

@@sirBrouwer it’s a crossover!

[@erictaylor5462]

New technologies are almost always prohibitively expensive. And it will continue to be quite expensive for some time. The first microwave ovens, in the late 1940's cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and were only ever sold for massive food processing projects. By the late 50's the price got low enough for restaurants to afford, then by the 80's microwaves got cheap enough that families could use them. The price of lab grown meat will come down.

[@josephcoon5809]

The first large screen TV was $15,000 ($22,000 adjusted for inflation) in 1997. Two decades later, they are 100x better at 5% the cost. The only trick is to keep government off of the market.

[@erictaylor5462]

@@josephcoon5809 Just look what they did with corn.

[@Warhawk76]

The price is not going anywhere until they solve the FBS problem. That's going to be extremely difficult, and it's hard to imagine any sort of plant-based alternative existing that has the proper growth factors in it.

[@erictaylor5462]

@@Warhawk76 Well, in the 1970's no one had any idea how to make transistors small enough that you could make computers smaller *AND* faster. My dad worked in an oil refinery from 1968 to 1999. They had a computer that helped to run the refinery efficiently and I would often go with mom to pick up dad from work. The computer room in the 70's was two large rooms (about 100' X 100') one above the other. By the time he retired the computer had been updated and replaced. It was now a single unit, smaller than a standard refrigerator. Problems with technology always seem insurmountable until a solution is found. This has happened over and over again in history. Why should we thing development of lab grown meat should be any different?

[@cornbreadfedkirkpatrick9647]

I can recall when the first microwaves were 500.00 and breadmakers now look

[@jklep523]

I have over 30 yrs of experience in pharma mammalian cell culture. This is a pretty good summary of the situation. We recently performed a cost-benefit analysis for a client and reported a similar summation. However, the other major factor that is not covered here is the volumes of purified water needed to run the bioreactors. The water use will be even higher per Kg than animal husbandry which is already a strain on global ecological systems. Purified water is surprisingly expensive to produce and can only be done in geographic regions with the resources available; that is, it’s not happening in the desert southwest of the US or in Saharan Africa. Water resources are increasingly valuable around the globe for basic human needs, diverting those resources to manufacture synthetic meat just moves an already intractable problem from one place to another.

[@amiralozse1781]

not to mention all sort of highly refined nutrient solutions and other stuff needed to keep a mammalian cell culture alive. there will be tons of waste produced which has to be reprocessed in an ecofriendly way...

[@maxine3978]

If this is true, then it's an additional reason to go vegan i guess

[@justincapable]

Maxine, except it isn't another reason to go vegan. Plants also require water, and in case you don't already know, drinking water is becoming a limited resource, unless there are drastic improvements to desalination.

[@TheSapphireLeo]

Sod it #BoycottSyntheticMeat and #GoVegan, #GoFruitarian and/or #Fast for the most part and #PlantFruitBearingTreesEverywhere?

[@TheSapphireLeo]

@@justincapable Then #BoycottCapitalism and #Colonialism?

[@Devil-Made]

14:16 “And while I don’t agree entirely with putting the onus on the consumer…” THANK YOU! This is an argument that is RARELY - if ever - acknowledged when talking about climate change and our role in slowing it down. I fully expected this video to end with something like, “So what can YOU do to reduce the impact of meat production on the planet?…” People often forget that we aren’t the biggest problem. It doesn’t matter how much any of us do, when confronted with the actions of giant mega-corporations we are meaningless as individuals (as far as reducing any kind of impact on the planet). I really appreciate that you added this little note in your video and hope it forces more people to consider just how much affect we can have when faced with the behemoths of Amazon and YumYum. I totally agree with the moral imperative, but as far as making people believe it’s OUR fault, and it’s OUR responsibility…that’s just gaslighting and manipulation on the part of the mega-corps that run the world.

[@Gorczy]

Awesome video as always Stephanie and team! I noticed one small mistake with units around 10:30. You list 5,000 litres as around the size of the "biggest beer fermenter that exists." The largest ones I know of are 6,000 BBLs or 704,000+ litres. I think units got swapped there. Any mid sized craft brewery in your region will likely have 10-15 tanks in the 100-150 BBL range, or 2-3x the volume needed for the bioreactor.

[@BigBrotherMars]

Jack Gorczyca

[@everythingisrealrivers6582]

she said "thats LIKE the biggest beer fermenter that exists". Thanks for your input though bruh

[@mr.randomgamer888]

@@everythingisrealrivers6582 but it still is nowhere near the biggest ones, it's barely close enough to the average brewery and even thst is a stretch

[@Elrog3]

@@everythingisrealrivers6582 Do you always reply before comprehending what you read?

[@everythingsreal]

yes, i am such a retard. And how are you this morning?

[@sirBrouwer]

I always assumed that the biggest asset with growing lab based meat. Was not meat for consumption. But to develop it even further so the technology would be come so good that you could grow a complete new organ. Like if Mike needed a new kidney. the technology would be so good that they could use some of his cells to change it in to a new kidney made from his own DNA. the lab grown meat for food is just a stepping stone.

[@garethbaus5471]

We are working on using similar techniques for exactly that, the development of lab grown meat isn't going to directly translate to improved techniques for replacement organs at this point.

[@migueeeelet]

Yeah, lab grown meat is multiple birds with one stone. It's almost cheating lol

[@torpenhigalak5909]

Indeed and remember commercialization of this not only beneficial economically but socially as the awareness of it also fund the means for more progress, which is why most of its attention are in having it available in commercial use.

[@1224chrisng]

sounds great difficulty-wise, but cost-wise it's really the other way around

[@slamrock17]

The only difficulty is the pollution from the lab based meat will dwarf what we are seeing now with animal based.

[@theprofessionalfence-sitter]

If it is so expensive to produce, wouldn't it make more sense to start by growing more exotic meats at first and marketing them to the rich? I'm sure you'll find someone willing to spend a lot of money on something they couldn't otherwise get. Generally, it seems weird to me that, if you have the technology to produce artificial meat, you would use it, first, to produce those meats that are pretty much the cheapest to obtain the "normal" way, rather than trying to produce meat of animals that couldn't normally be eaten.

[@extrasolare9644]

The problem here is that rich any kind of meet carries almost the seme difficult, I tink tha if we'd make just a part of the animal has more sence... it conserved the immune part and the same moleclular structure.

[@sanssoucilucci]

What is an 'exotic meat that rich people want' to you? I'm relatively well off and wouldn't really consider eating lab monkey or walrus meat. What comes from this process is not structured in the way of organs and body parts, but more of a loose abstraction of fat and protein, among others. You can't mass-market this by starting off with an incredibly select group of individuals.

[@kkirschkk]

@@sanssoucilucci I mean for a lot of the ultra well off people you would get a demand for something like walrus meat or other weird things. So while you might not be interested in it your likely not the type of person that he is mentioning.

[@andywuhu6720]

@@sanssoucilucci generally it's stuff like wagyu and whatnot but much of it is prepared at higher end restaurants and ones grown domestically or imported have gradually become more accessible to the public (at a premium of course). Then again everyone's tastes are different so some might not even like beef to begin with.

[@errorerror6918]

Most current lab grown meats still require the original meat to start the process, it is just a negligible amount of the final product. So you can't use endangered animals/etc.

[@XxBloodyMary]

The part about FBS is especially interesting and exactly what I hoped to learn more about in this video. Great video!

[@N0Xa880iUL]

In-

[@Disobeyedtoast]

more like absolutely horrific😰

[@I-Am-L]

@@Disobeyedtoast just wait until you hear about the modern meat industry...

[@Porkarific]

There are companies who have developed a method that does not include FBS

[@YearRoundHibernater]

It's not accurate though most comapnies working on lab grown meat started using alteratives a while ago, I don't follow this all that closely but the few companies I've looked into all use alternatives. And to my knowledge most companies are, this may have been accurate information a few years ago but not now.

[@astroch]

I dont understand, why do we want a universal serum if we can only grow pure meat. Just use the specific serum for every type of meat, and when we can, we will grow whole wings or ribs. Every production line is different, i dont expect to use the same substances to produce paper and cardboard.

[@admiral_waffles533]

Logistics and economies of scale. Keeping track of 20 different serums from 20 different manufacturers is much harder, expensive and time consuming than keeping track of 1. There's even the added benefit of reliability, where say, 1 factory can take over another in case that one shuts down, so production doesn't have to grind to a halt. Also, the more you produce something, generally the cheaper it becomes.

[@JG-xm8jy]

@@admiral_waffles533 we have vehicles that use diesel, gasoline, planes that use jet fuel...your arguments are just unreasonable...how hard is it to manage 20 serums??? the efficiencies got from one serum are few and fare between if individual serums already exist

[@JG-xm8jy]

Someone is asking the right questions, this video was trash

[@admiral_waffles533]

@@JG-xm8jy You didn't consider the big picture. Unless there's something to benefit from it, like increased efficiency, why would manufacturers spend more time and money creating dozens of different products that each need their own ingredients and procedures, when they could just create 1 that does all of their jobs and crank them out. It increases their individual prices, something that in turn would increase the price of making the burger, which is a loss for both sides. Second, use a different example, jet fuel, gasoline and diesel have their own niches and mostly share raw materials and manufacturing process. They also already benefit from economies of scale, while lab grown meat has barely just started. Meanwhile growth factors are hyper specialized proteins that need their own specialized equipment (for lack of a better term) and manufacturing procedures.

[@uwuhihiowo]

That's not how it work

[@lukash.8788]

Tissue engineering is so fascinating but also so elaborate and expensive. When I started studying I was so hyped for lab meat but as more as I learned about it, my hopes kinda alleviated. I hope that one day lab meat will actually be a thing and I’m still alive to experience it.

[@illusionist1244]

it became a thing :)

[@CallforMrBlue]

No one is really looking as FBS as a base anymore, there are a billion alternatives and that was merely 1 thing people looked at. Cost for a product currently not released is something that will be dealt with before the shit can even come out and is currently the biggest issue, but it isnt as dramatic as this channel made it out to be. New Harvest has a non FBS recipe. It's public it's designed for beef. If that doesn't refute it. I don't know what does.

[@nathanlevesque7812]

I mean, referencing primary sources is better than making offhanded references to things that might be accurate.

[@AlexxanderLuthor-lq5ih]

a billion alternatives ? what are they ?

[@Scipiworld]

Great video. For anyone who would like to try a decent meat alternative, I found out a while back that king oyster mushrooms with their fibery texture can be used as a template for making custom meats if cut into strips. Other ingredients can be added to tune to flavour, like tomato purée for a savoury flavour, or maple syrup and paprika for a smokey maple flavour. Cook the flavoured mushrooms until they start drying out, (at this point, they will be reddish brown and look a heck of a lot like meat). The end taste isn't beef, chicken, or pork, but still identifiable as a meat. I've made bacon, taco meat, and stir fry this way and it always impresses guests.

[@nutzeeer]

King oyster mushrooms made like schnitzel is great. Better than actual meat.

[@fanatic26]

mushrooms grow in feces, that says all you need to know

[@MikeDawson1]

@@fanatic26 that doesn't say anything about anything

[@MoistMayo]

@@fanatic26 Mushrooms were the first terrestrial life and are still here today. Mushrooms are likely the food of the future aswell, I don't like em personally but I have studied mycology long enough to know they are extremely important to our world, have amazing capabilities and hold great potential for large scale human sustenance. Mycelium networks are also the closest thing to intelligence in the plant kingdom.

[@mgratk]

Sounds delicious, say aside a nice medium rare ribeye.

[@indietraveller]

Any cultivated meat company that's serious about scaling up is not using FBS. It's a useful shortcut in the research/lab phase but obviously not what will be used for any cultivated meat that ends up on store shelves in the future. It's a pity that your video could make people needlessly worried about this very promising technology.

[@slamrock17]

I hope you realize switching to lab grown meat would cause way more pollution than we are producing with our current meat industry. In fact most land that is used for cows can not grow any food whatsoever except drought resistant grass. Think about it this way. Rn biological machines(cows) are literally converting useless grass into super calorie dense meat. Lab grown meat is a stepping stone for organ growing one day so I am glad it has an industry driving its advancement.

[@sophiedowney1077]

@@slamrock17 though most of the time, cows aren't converting grass into meat, but soy. Even supposing the land used for the cows themselves is useless, the land used to grow soy for cows could be used to grow crops for humans. 33% of croplands are used for growing crops just to feed animals, which produce less than 10% of the calories they consume. And even if lab meat uses electricity, it doesn't produce methane like cows do because it has no digestive system. Lab grown meat has the potential to be really awesome and decrease the amount of land wasted on feeding livestock.

[@indietraveller]

@@slamrock17 Animals are fed more than just grass. Just look at maps of just how much land area is dedicated to making food for animals that we eat. That production can be diverted to input for cultivated meat - and it works out to be far more efficient with the potential to return vast areas of land back to nature

[@slamrock17]

@@sophiedowney1077 you miss the point. If the cows are converting soy into human food what makes you think a laboratory process can do it more effectively? In order for us to harvest and process the soy into edible food product for human use, far more money resources and energy is wasted.

[@slamrock17]

@@indietraveller Those maps you mention prove my point. Cows are multi stomached and they can convert inedible plant proteins into human food in much more effecient way than any laboratory. Another problem with your assessment here is if we switched to a meatless future that would increase the amount of soy getting farmed which you admitted is the major issue with the meat industry as a whole. Your argument hinges on the misleading idea that people can just eat the soy that the cows would be eating. The problem is that in order for a human to eat soy the soybeans have to be processed which takes far more energy than the process of fermentation in a cows gut.

[@tomweather8887]

Huh. So I work in meat inspection in NZ, and this makes a lot of sense. Fetuses and fetal blood are worth a lot of money. I knew it went into lab based stuff, but I'd always wondered what exactly. Also, just to add, and I only speak for where I am, but fetuses are always dead on arrival. Always. I know this because inspecting them is part of my job. But again, I'm only speaking for NZ, where we have very strict animal welfare regulations. To be honest, though, I can't even imagine how they would survive the slaughtering process.

[@nellylicious9435]

Please know that I am in no way attacking you as an individual. But.. do you really believe any animal in the industry experiences any kind of welfare?

[@diablo.the.cheater]

@@nellylicious9435 Bees, bees are not keep in cages, bees can and will from time to time not return to the apicultor's panals. The thing with bees is more like we rent them some housing and collect honey in return, if the bees don't like that, they can leave at practically any moment, and from time to time they do.

[@PerfectDeath4]

@@diablo.the.cheater My mom's bees were 5 strong hives in 2020, then during 2021 one hive died of illness and 3 hives split. Splitting involves the queen leaving with some of the hive's drones and the remaining bees try to make a new queen. Unlucky for her, those 3 splits failed to produce a queen so she's going into 2022 with just 1 healthy hive.

[@jeffersonott4357]

@@diablo.the.cheater can the queen fly?

[@hokehinson5987]

The resale of animal biomass to labs conducting all sorts of genetic crossing is big business. This is why in America there's a big push back over the SCOTUS decision over turning roe Vs Wade. That human biomass is sold worldwide for many medical needs. The umbilical cords used for human artery replacement. Much of it going to genetic labs and military labs. There was a rash of cadavers parts being illegally stored then being sold to medical schools, research labs and being used in reconstruction surgery tainted items causing death & injury. Not much was done few folks that got caught had their hands slapped. Feds too lame and states too weak to regulate. Big money in death & biomass....

[@annefoley6950]

My uncle works in the FBS industry and the Thanksgiving table stories he tells are ~wild~

[@CC-mr5xq]

What did he say? Please do tell.

[@BannDesigns]

Please do better research before releasing such a video. The statement that it wouldn‘t be possible to grow labgrown meat without FBS from animals is just wrong. Take Mosa Meat as an example. They state the following: „Developing an alternative to FBS was a difficult task that took Mosa Meat years of research, but our scientists have been able to completely remove it from our media.“ They accomplished this in 2019 and wouldn‘t continue research if it wasn‘t possible to grow labgrown meat without FBS from animals.

[@ReaperUnreal]

10:53 Just a quick fact check. 5000L in roughly 42bbl, which while large for a craft brewery is TINY for macro breweries. The Milwaulkee MillerCoors plant has several 6000bbl fermeters, or about 700,000L. 5000L is FAR from the largest fermenters.

[@Gorczy]

Noticed this as well, think the editor swapped the units, since a 5000 BBL fermenter would be close to the largest tanks in the world.

[@kushalvora7682]

5000L is still quite big considering it only produces 1kg of meat.

[@Elrog3]

@@kushalvora7682 They don't build a tank to only produce 1kg of meat. It can be reused. ;) Jokes aside, the important statistic would be the production rate. How long does it take per kilogram of meat?

[@dariodalcin5177]

Cleaning the inside of the microwave must be the best transition to a sponsor so far😂

[@joshingaround8014]

“Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.” -Dr. Ian Malcolm This is disgusting and repulsive. Even if it helps fight climate change. I am a hunter primarily because there is a very real spiritual connect to the animal when you have humanely harvested. Hunting is so ingrained within us as humans I'd argue that it's essentially a religious experience. To know where your meat comes from and to know that the animal was treated with the respect that it deserves is extremely important. Because of this, I could not in good conscience eat meat that was grown in a petri dish. This is a disturbing affront to nature regardless of the use of harvesting fetuses. Furthermore, most people don't know that, in America, species that are hunted are generally vastly overpopulated. Obviously hunting cannot sustainably provide the entire world's meat supply, but more people should consider it as a humane, ethical means to harvest meat.

[@josueravena3464]

Though the mushroom industry is having a hard time keeping up since they have surplus mushrooms but most ended up being killed rather than being sold. It would be nice to create a mushroom base meat. Since it will benefit the mushroom farms and their surplus issues can be bought and nothing can be wasted while at the same time keeping up with demand.

[@sillyforestthing]

There are mycoprotein based meat alternatives, they're really good! The Quorn brand is a great example 👍

[@patrybc8843]

"We shall scape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken to eat the breast or the wing" That really is absurd. From the chicken we eat it all. The breast, the drumsticks, the quarters, the thighs, the wings and we can even make a broth with the bones

[@johnsmith-ro2tw]

A chicken fart produces 3 tons of methane gas, more than what bill gates private jet emits on his daily 8 minutes flight across Seattle to skip traffic jams on the roads. Few people know this. That's why we should stop eating chicken and start eating crickets instead.

[@Ramsey750]

@@johnsmith-ro2tw You’re joking right?

[@c_5nco]

@@Ramsey750 I don't understand why you think they'd be joking? I don't see anything in their comment that could be a problem. I'm genuinely asking (not coming at you, just curious)

[@millennialodyssey5956]

Exactly. The broth from the bones is really good for you too.

[@brnwlls1518]

That's the way God intended it all plants and animals of the land, birds of the sky and fish of the waters of the earth were placed here to sustain and serve all mankind but man does not have the right to play God. Growing meat outside of the body that God created is bad, and an abomination in the eyes of God

[@nathanly8761]

I've worked in the cell cultured meat industry. We're moving past FBS. There's several alternatives, look up Okara. Also regarding scale, a company recently opened up a factory. Their prospective output is 100000 lbs of meat. And not just ground meat, breast and thigh are getting close to market.

[@odd_shoe]

Sources please

[@_SHIN1999]

Source: trust me bro

[@nathanly8761]

@Poseidon I'm an athlete too. It's kinda why I wanted to work in the cell cultured meat industry in the first place. It's as healthy as any other meat minus the fat. Current production issue is incorporating fat in the product

[@drew7515]

@@nathanly8761 people ask for a source and you only answered a question that wasn’t about your legitimacy? Come on

[@nathanly8761]

@@drew7515 Sorry let me rephrase, I have a degree in bioengineering, studied metabolic systems and biomechanics, and currently work in cell culture biotech. Recreationally I do sports and am health conscious especially taking into account the amount of time that I have studied the human body. Regarding the health of cell cultured meat. It is as healthy as normal meat because that is what it is. It'sjust growing the muscle cells directly in a bioreactor instead of having to grow a whole organism then harvest only part of it for food. If anything, due to the current inability to organically generate fat, the meat will be extremely lean.

[@DomyTheMad420]

4:30 it was at this point i was reminded of the fact that using these techniques there is a place that server lab-grown 'human meat' to euh... to canibals. only way to legally be a canibal lmao

[@Croz89]

Would it be safe? I've heard there's a risk of prion infection from cannibalism.

[@thettguy]

@@Croz89 That risk comes from brain tissue. But good old long pig muscle cells would be fine. Tastes like chicken.

[@WanderTheNomad]

@@thettguy Wouldn't long pig taste more like pig than chicken?

[@migueeeelet]

@@WanderTheNomad Guess he means pig muscle cells. Taste comes from a mix of tissues - fats, muscle, blood, etc. Unless you combine them all properly, it's like an unseasoned meal. It'll be bland.

[@WanderTheNomad]

@@migueeeelet "Long pig" is a euphemism for human flesh

[@robertrichardson9923]

Your body dosen't break down this type of meat properly causing us not to absorb the little nutrients it has. It also lacks the essential B Vitamins and Iron we get from animals. Our body doesn't regognize it as meat pretty much. I've noticed the same people who hate meat and want people to give it up and have all this love for animal's also love killing babies, flying in private jets that produce more greenhouse gasses than animals, and love telling people to constantly do without while they can't even give up thier 3 or 4 $30 Coffee habbit a day. Also anything with the word "Stem Cell" in it means aborted baby. It wouldnt suprise me if this meat was just strait aborted baby meat. Think about it, they hate animal suffering so they would NOT want to get stem cells from animals but they love abortion and those clinics are always selling "Spare Parts" to these medical and food research companies.

[@vaszgul736]

To people concerned about animal wellfare, I want to point out that at the moment it is gathered from "cows going to the slaughterhouse who happen to be pregnant" aka the cow was going to be slaughtered along with the fetus anyway. So working on these lab grown alternatives aren't killing more cows, they're just using parts from cows that were being slaughtered anyway. And hopefully only until we figure out how to get an alternative. It's important that we get an alternative, so that no cattle have to die. But right now this push isn't causing the deaths of pregnant cows or their fetuses, the normal meat industry is, and this lab-grown meat industry is meant to put an end... to the normal meat industry. You see where I'm going with this? Adding this comment to inform anyone to beware of organizations like PETA who may wildly take things out of context, but also for people who genuinely want a future without animal cruelty that lab-grown meat is still where you want to put your money, especially if you want to fund research for alternatives to FBS. This science helps everyone, especially cows, because the moment we make that break through, the door is open for astronauts to make their own food in space without slaughterhouses, and for the very concept of a slaughterhouse to become a thing of the past while your meat-loving friends and family all still get to eat burgers, fried chicken, and bacon. Or any exotic animal they feel like. Or anything they wanted, whilst no animals died and no wilderness was converted to farmland, and no pregnant cows or fetuses were harmed. That's a future everyone wins in. Especially the animals.

[@migueeeelet]

And alternatives are already being worked on and tested. FBS is soon to be eliminated from the equation.

[@kayallen7603]

How nice that so many people think farmers and ranchers will keep cows as 'pets' - except they won't. Thank you for contributing to the extinction of cattle.

[@orchdork775]

I was literally cleaning my microwave at 14:31 😂

[@casualsuede]

I won't eat "meat" grown in a lab! It's unnatural! Have you ever checked out your ingredient list in your cheetos, frozen dinner or package of oreos?

[@ayoCC]

The experts who allow or disallow those ingredients are just as conservative as you don't worry. Usually food dye and sugars are written in strange terms, mostly so it looks like there is less sugar by having 5 smaller entries, instead of 1 on the top.

[@terrorindu]

you're cruel then

[@Mazao210993]

you really think that the meat you eat is natural? boy oh boy...

[@vladimirofsvalbard9477]

Eat locally raised grass fed, that's the solution. I swear, people that claim to hate corporations only ever seem to have the solution to outsource to OTHER corporations and pharmaceutical companies.

[@terrorindu]

@@vladimirofsvalbard9477 That is not the solution, there are still almost 8 billion people to feed the amount of animals you'll need to grow and feed is going to be destructive to the environment just like the problem is right now. If you really want a solution, lab grown/plant based meat is the way forward. PS Some people like using the argument against plant based that soya destroys the environment and so on, but literally almost every single field of crops you see is not being grown for you, especially soya, it's for the livestock. Livestock needs water and food too, especially when there's 50 billion being slaughtered every year.

[@HopperChopper]

LOVE your channel. You and Real Engineering are some of the best educators on the platform.

[@realscience]

Thank you! That means a lot

[@calamitoso0066]

I thought that both were the same author, and the name is simply to clasify the content.

[@anveshanupam]

@@calamitoso0066 bro me too

[@michaelwallace9291]

@@calamitoso0066 I believe they used to work together

[@codetech5598]

@@calamitoso0066 The logos suggest they are related.

[@Feynman981]

I live in the mountains. Openly speaking, I prefer the meat of cows, sheep and goats living in our area than anything industrially processed. They live a good life, have tons of good natural food. They are better for the ecosystem than some artificial factories.

[@SweatierAcorn]

The big problem is the big companies mass production of unsustainable meat, lab meat is mainly meant to replace that way of mass production. Least that's how I see it.

[@ricardomontalban6467]

Lear. To. Respect. Other. Living. Creatures. Lives

[@JohnDoe-qv3rf]

​@@ricardomontalban6467 Stop ordering others what to do. The OP is not part of your cult so your tenants have no bearing on them.

[@margodphd]

I think mimicking the taste (see The Thought Emporium artificial chicken taste test) is the future, rather than a cell by cell replica.

[@NoorquackerInd]

The fact that we need to harvest cow fetuses for lab-grown meat sounds like some Fullmetal Alchemist stuff

[@GarageSupra]

It hardly happens any more, most labs are using alternative solutions

[@marciabond339]

Right….so they say

[@jhe9521]

​@@GarageSupra any labs hoping to synthesise the serum will still need serum samples

[@AviMD]

Any reason you failed to mention that the lab made chicken nuggets that are currently being sold in Singapore already only costs 23 dollars? It used to be over 5,000 dollars but is now affordable by the public. The advances in lab made meat technology to make meat affordable are on the horizon if not already here in some cases. Calling this "farfetched" is just denial of reality.

[@Peter-200]

What quantity of nuggets do you get for 23 dollars?

[@Captain7484]

It's almost like we aren't supposed to be doing this. I don't think I will seek out lab made meat. No one knows the long term effects of ingesting such a product.

[@GarudaLegends]

horrible, like all garbage made in a lab.

[@benmassi8333]

Is there going to make it so you don't really have a choice

[@VivekPatel-ze6jy]

Chemically it's no different from normal meat, if anything it might be healthier due to there not being antibiotics in it. I get being cautious, but I can guarantee you that diet coke is more harmful to your health than lab grown meat, due to the ridiculous amount of phosphoric acid they add.

[@ricardomontalban6467]

You. Have. To. Realize. That. Sich. A. Product 17:30. . Ots. Just. The. Dame. As. The. Product. Pf. The. Assassinated. Animal8

[@ricardomontalban6467]

They. Will. Be. The. Same. Tissue. Replica. Of. An. Assassinated. Only. . Cow.

[@reid3031]

Jeepers, that burger-to-fetus ratio made my eyes water. I'll just keep eating meat only two or three times a week, thx, much easier and effective

[@WhatIsMisophonia]

Anybody else going to talk about those sensationalist claims of how much greenhouse gas animal farming produces? It's heavily debated because most of the time it's about methane, and we don't entirely know how much heat methane actually traps. Not only that, but much of that issue is factory farming practices using cesspools where animal waste is degraded in such a way that far more methane is released than what would be with pasture farming. Furthermore, in North America, cattle can be bread with buffalo for a more efficient animal in terms of food, water, and waste disposal requirements. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I also believe grainfed animals produce more methane than grassfed animals. Long story short, much of the problem is our terribly inefficient and disgusting farming practices. BTW, it's so funny how we act like we care about animal cruelty but turn a blind eye to factory farms? Then again, we also turn a blind eye to things like chocolate harvesting, which often involves child slave labor, not to say anything about the sweat shops we're still not doing crap about... It's not just greedy business people that are the problem either, so nobody should stand on their laurels; We're all terrible people because those with the money to buy cruelty free often won't do it or even bother to look into it.

[@logancontracier7125]

One advantage in my honest opinion to just continuing to eat, responsibly raised cows, is they are able to eat what we can’t and where we can’t grow food. We can’t eat grasses and other heavily cellulose based plant foods so they eat it for us and we eat them for the nutrients. Plus the carbon emissions thing is kinda disingenuous when you realize that cows don’t add carbon but recycle it. They eat the plants that consume carbon, cows spit out carbon and methane, that eventually either gets absorbed by another plant or the methane brakes down into other components that plants also use thus the cycle continues. Where as digging up buried carbon and burning has no cycle for going back into the ground as oil, least not a fast solution. I think attacking meat for carbon emissions is kinda silly in the grand scheme of it all. Besides not all protein is the same. Edit: just a fact methane brakes down in the atmosphere in ten years where as carbon takes two hundred years.

[@joratto2833]

The point is that we’re breaking the balance, right? An ecosystem maintains a healthy carbon cycle so long as it’s not disrupted, but the meat demand of the world population is simply too high for us not to disrupt the balance of the global ecosystem. We breed progressively more cows and continue to deforest, producing too many greenhouse gases with too few plants and other sinks to swallow them. For the time being, the meat industry is not sustainable, though it would be much better if it was. The best current move is still to reduce consumption.

[@Bolmer1]

Methane have way higher greenhouse effect than Co2 so cow are not carbon neutral. They (or their digestive system+bateria) transform carbon matter into additional Methane that's is over what they would be in a balanced ecosystem. Your premises are propaganda. "Besides not all protein is the same." Obviously not, but that doesn't mean we can't get almost all our proteins from plants and be way healthier than a standard wester diet. Most of the world population is deficient in Fish omega 3, that's a way bigger problem for health. We could get 10-15% of our protein from rich in omega 3 marine things and the rest from plants and we will definitely way healthier than someone who eat more than 50% of their proteins from animals.

[@Drahko12]

I’m on board for lab growth meat that tastes the same but has removed the drawbacks of natural meat. The tech is still in its infancy but I’m hopeful the scientists can overcome the challenges for the future of our planet

[@casualsuede]

Too many quitters on these comment boards for any new technology, whether lab grown meat, electric cars or wind/solar energy. From someone who came from the electronics industry, I heard the same "why do this?" argument when I saw the 1st generation plasma screen....that was 42 inches and cost over $40k. The same naysayers said no one would ever buy things flatscreens.....

[@NikoKyunKyun]

@@casualsuede true your naysayers said, i only game on curved screen

[@canaldoapolinario]

Hi, I think a follow up video with the startups/methods that don't use FBS would be interesting. I've watched a WSJ piece in late-2018 about a israeli "lab grown steak" company called Aleph Farms that I got excited about at the time. After watching this video, I checked whether they used FBS - which would've bummed me out - turns out in the FAQ of their website they say they don't

[@BannDesigns]

True! The statement in this video is just wrong. There are many companies who research an animal-free FBS and use it already. Mosa Meat is one of them. They use it since 2019 and wouldn‘t even continue research on labgrown meat if it wasn‘t possible without harming animals.

[@SgtCarter69]

@@BannDesigns Most of the production is based on FBS because of price competitivity, therefore she's not entirely wrong. Oh and at 8:24 she even mentioned FastGro - a cruelty free alternative

[@BannDesigns]

@@SgtCarter69 Still, she only uses FastGro as single example and states it as it would be the only hope developing cultivated meat. That not true since there are many other companies / organizations who research this type of medium or already found one. And yes, many companies / organizations still rely on FBS gained from animals. That doesn‘t mean that it‘s not possible to do it without / do further research to find a solution (which like stated some already did).

[@gohunt001-5]

now i wonder if maybe growing cancer cells is a viable alternative, since it already doesn't self destruct, it doesn't need FBS, the problems it would have would be not having an immune system and probably the inability to make the regular strands of mucsle fibers that contribute to the texture of meat. still, i wonder if any startup out there is using this approach...

[@Keefboi]

@@gohunt001-5 I feel like eating cancer cells would create some side effects right?

[@24h7d]

Thanks!

[@danielhandika8767]

What about cancer cells? Since they literally able to survive and grow on their own given correct condition and enough nutritions, can we eat them instead?

[@victortitov1740]

i find it strange it wasn't mentioned in the video tbh. We can't be the first to come up with this idea, it's pretty obvious. That boils down to genetic engineering, i suppose.

[@starbase218]

I can't help but feel that this move away from nature to labs for our food is not the right thing to do. Even now, there's a difference between supermarket meat and wild meat. In terms of taste, how it fills you up, etc. I appreciate the content, and maybe I'm wrong. But... I just don't know.

[@dosd8048]

Not to mention the growth hormones and other chemicals added to this cardboard product just to create a pretend small piece of manmade protein. I recall chickens that were innoculated with hormonal growth promoters caused all sorts of issues with development issues in children who consumed these chickens.

[@madman5100]

Youre right

[@marciabond339]

Yes, you know. Besides, as part of natural agriculture we need the manure to grow veggies for the brain dead vegans.

[@aliyahabrahams]

15:39 “I would rather die than do this.” I felt that.

[@ronnycook3569]

They're also competing with a number of meat "alternatives" made from plant products which are designed to closely resemble meat, but mostly skip the lab requirements. One other issue with compounds like FBS is that it basically works by turning off the processes that prevent cancer, so they need to be really, REALLY sure that doesn't carry across to shelf product. Mass deployment of a compound DESIGNED to be a carcinogen is nightmare fuel.

[@frankkobold]

The thing is: what you mean, will never be alternatives. Same with soy milk. It will never be milk nor replace it. At max, it has a similar taste. But that just means that they coexist and steal some marketshare of each other. It's just an addional item on the shopping list, like potatoes were after their introduction in Europe.

[@yoshyoka]

That is not how it works. It is not a cancerogenic toxin which remains on the food, it is a signalling hormone which stops functioning as soon as it is exposed to such things like cooking or digestion.

[@ronnycook3569]

@@yoshyoka First, I agree FBS is unlikely to be much of an issue as it is consumed by the process, and doesn't cause uncontrolled replication. However, we don't know whether that's true of any as-yet unknown compound intended to replace FBS. We can be pretty sure the FDA and equivalent agencies won't allow anything like that into the food supply, so... probably not an issue. Secondly, while it's rare, not all food is digested or cooked before coming into contact with live human cells. Third, it hardly matters, because the meat lobby is going to jump on any HINT of carcinogens in vat/lab-grown meat faster than you can blink. Think of the reaction to GMOs.

[@yoshyoka]

@@ronnycook3569 Look, I am a medical biotechnologist: such technologies are my bread and butter. You could directly drink FBS and pour it into an open wound, and you would have no ill effect from it. Bodies don´t work the way you think they work. It is would be you would just need a tiny amount of that stuff. Brainstorming about what the synthetic alternatives do, before they exists, is just senseless.

[@ronnycook3569]

@@yoshyoka I'm aware that FBS won't cause cancer; if it did, they would need much less of it. A catalyst (not consumed in its use) to do the same job would be less safe (and therefore would probably never be passed by the FDA). It's that sort of catalyst which would be both most efficient, and most dangerous. As I said, nightmare fuel. Pointing a finger directly at FBS itself was a mistake on my part, although as the video itself makes clear FBS has its own problems. The "best" path would probably be to genetically engineer (or find) an already cancerous muscle culture (like HeLa, but bovine muscle rather than human cervical) which would tick all the boxes, but the meat industry could make fun with that as well, either from the GMO angle or from the "eating cancer!" angle. That may be why no mention of such an approach is made, or there may be other obstacles. To be honest, although I'm not a vegetarian, I suspect plant-based imitations would be more practical and more economically viable. You're dropping a link in the food chain, so gaining some efficiency - although I'm aware that there are an entirely different set of problems.

[@ClaudiaMitchell-jn7fw]

Soylent Green .

[@MissX905]

Maybe it's already being done or they will do so in the future?

[@shabnamparveen4970]

Pls never stop making videos I never know why this great channel is so underrrated

[@comeraczy2483]

Thanks for that great video. At times it sounds a bit unfairly pessimistic and I think that it is important to remember that cellular agriculture is engineering: necessity will lead to success in one form or another. As there isn't enough space on earth to feed all of humanity the same diet as the top 25% biggest food consumers, it is absolutely necessary to transition from traditional farming to much more effective food production methods and cellular agriculture is the only humane way forward at the moment. If only a small part of the $540bn annual worldwide farming subsidies were redirected to R&D in cellular agriculture, the pace of progress would be a lot faster.

[@YaKupoKitty]

Or, you know, a switch to a more plant-based diet with lowered meat consumption? Which we could do like… now?

[@haught7576]

@@YaKupoKitty lmao, the ONLY way, it’s inhumane to not eat meat!

[@josephcoon5809]

@@YaKupoKitty You can devolve. I’m good with maintaining the species’ brain mass by ingesting animal proteins.

[@comeraczy2483]

@@YaKupoKitty you are absolutely right, lowering meat consumption is the elegant, simple, rational and healthy way to not creating a major problem in the first place. Sadly, elegant, simple, rational and healthy behaviours don't seem to be a notable strength of humanity. If there was any doubt left, a large number of heavy duty nails have been hammered deep into that coffin lately. More and more people believe that the privilege of eating hundreds of pounds of beef every year is one of their fundamental right and they are eager to exercise it as soon as they can afford it. I believe that fighting against these behaviours is a lost battle and that the only way to address the entirely man-made problems associated with meat over-consumption is to rely on science and technologies.

[@just4deez]

@@josephcoon5809 Some people are apparently led to believe that animal foods are not necessary for optimal function for Homo sapiens. You can pretty much thank the Seventh-day Adventist church and the dozen or so vegan Professors sitting around our public health boards and universities for that. Animal foods are prized in every culture including vegetarian ones (dairy is prized). But apparently modern-day humans are led to believe that they are not required for health (or worse, bad for health). This is despite the thousands of biochemistry and physiology papers (as in actual biochemical mechanisms, not epidemiological "studies") showing how nutrients from animal foods are essential to health. This shows that with proper marketing, you can get people to ignore good science.

[@pyrofreezer]

I'm currently doing a write-up on meat and paradigm shift for diet. This is really helpful... Thanks

[@N0Xa880iUL]

Drop a link when you do

[@pyrofreezer]

Oh I'm just a uni student not a researcher yet 😅

[@N0Xa880iUL]

@@pyrofreezer Then drop a link when you do

[@migueeeelet]

Might want to check r/wheresthebeef , because I swear, this sector has skyrocketed in two months lol. It went from "we have a proof of concept" to "we're establishing a fully functional plant" and the next step is "FBS no more!".

[@flightographist]

So, lab grown is exponentially more questionable behavior.

[@andrealiu5106]

FBS is no longer needed! GOOD Meat got approval Jan of 2023 to sell cultivated chicken produced without it in Singapore

[@joshsass3067]

Seems like we should do things the normal way less brutal and the climate is not as bad as we make it out to be

[@roundysquares]

Soo... no one here talking about that very recent video on Upside Foods by Bloomberg Quicktake? They are about to launch a commercial scale pilot plant to grow artificial chicken breasts. If I recall correctly, those currently cost around 18$ per piece but are expected to drop in price as economies of scale kick in. They have also developed processes that don't require FBS.

[@Atheist-Libertarian]

This happens with most new technology. Prices remeains very high such that only few industry can use it for specilised purposes. Then it starts to decrease slowly. And then it decrease very rapidly such that it becomes household product.

[@Zerousername-0]

companies have developed alternatives and announced this publicly. The fact that the video hides this and instead says it's completely unsolved makes it propaganda. If you hadn't asked here you would have walked away believing the misinformation the video just gave you, thinking there was no alternative to FBS.

[@randolphthomasii7040]

Did... Did you not hear what she said at 7:00? 'Other serums do exist, but none are so versatile.' Sooooo basically yes, they do exist, but since they can't do the job near as well as FBS, they're basically useless...

[@Zerousername-0]

@@randolphthomasii7040 shrug, that's basing faith on the word of the video all I know is there are known alternatives, I'm willing to research the info properly if I ever decide to consume lab meat until then I was stating a fact that seemed overlooked, even if it was briefly mention offhand to people who didnt notice.

[@jhe9521]

not as good could mean anything ~ more expensive, or not as likely to help with organ growth/replacements, or e.g. cell regeneration... when discussing "universal" usefulness of fetal serum unspecified "liver" stem cells could've been referring to human liver meaning stem cells from e.g. aborted human embryos would be used ...all kinds of frankenstein experiments rely on such horrific ingredients

[@isaks3243]

I have no reason to think that that it is impossible to make it viable and i'm shure that someone will manage one day, however, i'm not very hopeful that it will happen soon.

[@nicolasrodriguez5054]

Yeah, probably mid 30's

[@isaks3243]

@@nicolasrodriguez5054 I predicted back in the early 10s after the first time I heard about it that we will start to see lab grown meat before 2030. doesn't look like my prediction will be right and I think you're more on the right track, mid to late 30s is when I would guess that it might start to pop up as a luxury item in stores.

[@nicolasrodriguez5054]

@@isaks3243 Hmm I see, I'd rather say just another expensive meat more than a luxury.

[@isaks3243]

@@nicolasrodriguez5054 it will most probably start as a novelty item for the rich, that is how every invention on the market goes from small scale commercial to big scale commercial

[@nicolasrodriguez5054]

@@isaks3243 dude I mean I doubt it's going to be something that only rich people can afford, I'm sure it's gonna be somewhat expensive but I'm sure the middle class could buy it too. How expensive could it get to the point that only millionaires can buy it lol about 17usd per pound atm 15 years from now? about 3usd per pound that aint ultra expensive is it

[@jhaduvala]

This seems old data, considering it's already an industry. When was this video made?

[@Dzeno2010]

All I heard for FBS is that it's great for research and avoids having another variable to worry about. Which is critical when working at the cutting edge of a field as it save a lot of time. Secondly I didn't hear how much kg for kg was needed and especially what the theoretical maximum dilution is (as I doubt 10l per burger would really be needed if done and understood well). Lastly I heard that basically FBS is used because of a big lack of the scientists involved actually understanding what's going on like would usually be the case in Physics, Chemistry, etc. Very common thing I see in pharma, a lot of trial and error, which is okay but shows that they don't really understand what they are precisely doing (not saying they have no clue just saying it's in part data driven guess work). If you actually understand the science, you would know which components have what effects precisely and how/what the suicide mechanism triggers. Hell technically we could even use crispr to genetically modify the DNA such that we get stem cells where the function for suicide is disabled, however that requires enough understanding (and not doing this in sentient beings because tumors). As for the price, research stuff is generally pricy as hell because of the market, supply, demand, and type of buyers. You want to compare this to transistors and computers? in the 1980s a computer woud take up a huge ass room and cost millions, your phone nowadays is more powerful than thousands of those computers and costs 200-1000€, if we account for inflation and all that, the price reduction of transistors is probably in the hundreds of thousands. TLDR; all I heard is a clear lack of understanding of the topic and it being pushed by potential "fast" future profit more so than fundamental research.

[@Elrog3]

Well put.

[@vascolourenco4259]

* in this industry we have mutch more dead ends

[@carbon_no6]

Those people that insist on the elimination of eating meat, are obscenely delusional! 🤣 - no chance I’d ever stop eating meat. Meat is essential for us. Our bodies need meat as it’s relatively jam-packed full of nutrients when compared to plants. Natural meat/protein is still far superior to synthetic blends.

[@hughson9229]

No one in this video is forcing you to eat meat or saying that meat isn't important for you lol. This video is about lab grown meat and its problems. Killing animals isnt the problem. Since its the rule of nature. That you can't eat things that aren't alive. The Problem is that the delicious meat we all buy by ordering from sofas is that meat comes from living breathing things that eat, drink, sh!t etc. And we have hundreds of those animals locked up in factories. Imagine just how much water is wasted by these animals. Cow farts produce tons and tons of methane. Which is a green House gas and is extremely dangerous. They consume more water. More fossil fuel. And more plants and land. They harm animals. And seeing how widely accessible meat is for humans. Cause obesity and heart attack.

[@GarudaLegends]

@@hughson9229 meat does not cause diabetes or heart attacks. lol. the biggest vegan lie ever. animals were created to eat, so cope.

[@hughson9229]

@@GarudaLegends I never said meat caused Diabetes or heart attack or whatever. But seeing how accessible it is and how cheap it is compared to healthy food. It can definitely pose a lot of problems specially when its very Addictive. Yes We are made to eat animals. I never said that was a lie. You can definitely see that you are probably 370 pounds and got Butthurt by the truth, and made the most simplistic overused statement ever. The real one who should cope is you.

[@GarudaLegends]

@@hughson9229 meat is literally the healthiest food you can eat, and not addictive. it is a super food, so you are wrong again. please cope harder

[@hughson9229]

@@GarudaLegends Red meat is unhealthy! and it is addictive when compared to how it is prepared. Like fast outdoor food vs home made cooked food. Your last statement is ironic asf. And cope mega+ harder 500 pound h0e lol

[@bluebonic3497]

Man, the FBS thing always sounded like something more research could fix, but the whole zero immune system problem is a complete project killer. I cant think of a single way of fixing that without defeating the whole point.

[@johnnyjack4079]

There is a company that make lab grown meat, without using it

[@Tobertus]

@@johnnyjack4079 can you mention a link or reference?

[@johnnyjack4079]

@@Tobertus I was pretty sure I had watched a video on KZbin, was about grown lab chicken and if I wasn't mistaken I think they use plant based. I Googled it but said it's on the way just not ready yet

[@Tobertus]

@@johnnyjack4079 Probably so, very interesting! Thanks for the info :)

[@hughson9229]

@@Tobertus I searched on Google and it says "Okara" "Food scientists in Singapore are working to use okara, a byproduct of tofu production, to make cheaper cell-based meat. It can replace the use of fetal bovine serum (FBS) used in cellular agriculture that is expensive and comes from animals."

[@paulyagoda142]

You lost me when you pushed the man made global warming bs. We are in a co2 drought. We need as much as we can get. It's plant food and we need plants to survive.

[@JohnDoe-qv3rf]

Based.

[@kylertv]

What is the point if your killing a momma cow and her baby aren’t they supposed to be fixing that problem? Now they letting the cows bleed a slow death and killing their baby? Rather them just get shot once in the head humanely after they lived a good life on the farm

[@brett4264]

Wow! I saw a TED Talk that made it sound like lab grown meat was right around the corner and to be cheaper than real meat. The more you know....

[@migueeeelet]

Mosa Meat announced a year ago that they had an FBS alternative that cost 88x less. Upside Foods, the one with the new pilot plant, has a working alternative in place and they're currently putting it into practice. They're committed to only releasing products to market that are 100% free from animal slaughter.

[@byteyotta]

It is right around the corner. The script for this video was probably written 4 years ago. Cultured meat startups have made a lot more progress than this video implies. Many products entering the market in 2022-2023 with competitive pricing.

[@burgerman101]

@@byteyotta I don’t know if this is relevant, but I can literally buy affordable lab grown ice cream from my local grocery store. It’s called Brave Robot ice cream. It’s basically identical to regular ice cream, but it doesn’t come from an animal or contain lactose so lactose intolerant people can eat it as well (Although I’m sure they could add lactose to it if they wanted to). My point is that if lab grown dairy is already a thing, I don’t see how lab grown meat will not also be a thing in the near future.

[@DMahalko]

In general I expect a lab grown T-bone steak is going to be very unlike the real thing and will have a vague similar appearance. The bones will be extruded like huge long straight pasta noodles from a calcium bone paste and then a long tubular shaped slab of muscle will be glued onto the bone with a material that will resemble ligament when it firms up. The resulting T-bone "slab" is then run through a cutter to form each individual steak.

[@ohhi8323]

imagine yourself being someone's steak. Please go vegan, animals don't exist to fulfill human demands and pleasures.

[@publiccharge3847]

I think the best use would be ground meat like in fast food hamburgers or chicken sandwiches. Don't expect a T bone

[@limiv5272]

The FBS issue is probably the biggest issue here, but it's not unsolvable. You don't need a growth medium that will work with any and all cells, to make artificial meat you could probably do with very few cell types, so it would be feasible to find an artificial alternative that works well for each one, or to use genetically engineered cells that will accept a cheap substitute [if you could only educate the masses to prevent nonsense hysteria about GMOs]. The manufacturing cost of components for the artificial serum will decrease as demand grows, I'm not sure that part will be a huge issue in the long run. I'm not sure those huge bioreactors are an accurate depiction for how the cells would be grown. I'm pretty sure these types of cells require a surface to which they could attach in order to grow, unless you went the GMO route. The need to grow cells in single layers will without a doubt make production more expensive

[@Croz89]

I think a dissolvable scaffold will be needed to replicate a complex structure like a steak or a wing. By introducing different cells to different parts, you could, in theory, create any chunk of meat you want. Depends on how much it costs to make the scaffold. They might be able to be 3D printed or moulded cheaply enough.

[@limiv5272]

@@Croz89 Yes, I also think a 3D scaffold would ultimately be the way to go, I just thought my comment was already long enough and this wasn't really my main point. The main issue with this approach is that due to the thickness you'd also need a vascular system to disperse the growth medium to all the cells and to remove waste. This will be complicated and thus probably expensive, maybe even too expensive. I suppose we'll find out. I'm sure that at least initially lab grown meat will be limited to minced meat and similar products because they should be easier and cheaper to produce. I really look forward to that day when I can finally buy and eat lab grown meat, I wouldn't mind paying more so long as it wasn't extreme.

[@Croz89]

@@limiv5272 It depends. If it's small enough simple osmosis may be enough to introduce nutrients and remove waste.

[@MissJean63]

One thing about taste. When we eat meat, it’s not just the muscle tissue. There’s blood, lymphatic fluids, along with everything you listed. It’s a very complex combination that science can’t replicate. Let’s not forget about the Maillard effect if browning.

[@danopticon]

But interestingly, burgers and hot dogs are usually placed in a tasty sesame bun after getting smothered in seasonings and relish, or steaks get smothered in salt and ketchup … and usually after being charred to a tasteless crisp … so what most people appear to crave are the condiments and the toppings for which meat just serves as a delivery vehicle. Place a piece of cardboard or styrofoam between two tasty slices of sesame bun, and top it with celery salt, ketchup, mustard, pickles, red onion, relish, aioli mayonnaise, lettuce, and heirloom tomato slices … 9,999 people out of a 1,000 wouldn’t know the difference-and especially not if you ply them with a few microbrews first!

[@pretendfriend1417]

@@danopticon I disagree. I can eat unseasoned steak. Its so delicious.

[@angelinafahm]

I recently bought ground beef to make hamburger steak. The meat cooked for over 30 minutes and if you cook you know ground meat cooks fast, even in Pattie’s. 30 minutes is more than enough time and it still wasn’t cooked all the way. It seemed no matter how long I cooked it for it wouldn’t completely cook. It was light red in the middle & the texture was mushy. I joked about it being human meat but this is actually scary and makes me wonder if it was lab grown.

[@iamskorch]

Sick part is, you can't guarantee you Weren't eating human meat or something else you didn't know about. Who knows what they put in packaged food to sell us these days. FDA approved or "safe" on packaging means basically nothing.

[@QuantumFluxable]

fully plant-based alternatives to meat have become a lot better over the past 5-10 years. right now i could go buy a small-ish pack of plant-based salami for 1€ in the supermarket around the corner. i ate some pretty tasty chorizo today and the other day i had fishsticks. and I'm 100% vegan, so I don't quite understand where the problem lies?

[@kkirT]

Lacking in nutrients like vitamin B12, K2 and iron. Many people, like those who train hard or suffer from chronic illness, can't sacrifice their own health for the benefit of political movements.

[@QuantumFluxable]

@@kkirT noone is out to force people with chronic illnesses to go vegan mate. as to the other group of people: watch "gamechangers", movie about vegan athletes. the title for Strongest German Man went to a vegan for several years for instance.

[@KnutBurell]

@@kkirT "political movements" lol

[@ricardomontalban6467]

See. While. What. You. Mention. Its. Great. You. Always. Gonna. Have. Primitive. Brain? That. Recuse. To. Evolve. And. Thejr. Savage. Way. Cannot. Evolve

[@deathlytree434]

Yall just said there are specific alternatives they just arent as general use. If we have a synthetic for pork chicken and beef but they all need their own artificial serum then we dont need bovine blood.

[@nathansamuelson]

We may have to resort to modifying the cells of the meat in order to make it grow in a lab. The current process "works" but not well enough to justify it. If we could tweak the cells to grow better on their own or trick them to think they're in a body we could make synthetic meat more viable.

[@sailor5853]

And freaking lab grown cancer

[@kimlarso]

Tweak it to trick it? Just vaccinate it then

[@erinm9445]

Tricking them to think they are in a body is exactly what FBS does (as do any vegan alternatives to FBS)

[@johnmcevoy3598]

So, theoretically, a lab-grown human brain burger... Wow - did I just completely skeeve myself out before I could finish...

[@TTOMO2x1-1]

Has anyone checked out "Future-Meat"? I'd prefer this over the future bugs that are being pushed as a solution! They claim 96% less freshwater use 99% less land, 80% less greenhouse emissions. They also say they "broke the $5 barrier, bringing production costs down to $1.70", "Cells are only sourced from animals one time", "We created lines of animal cells that grow forever without the need for genetic modifications, removing the need to slaughter animals for the food we eat." This is some info linked through their press page recently 2/14/22: "Future Meat earlier this year opened a cultivated meat production line in Israel and currently is scouting several locations in the United States for a planned large-scale production facility. The company, which produces cultivated chicken, lamb, beef and pork, in December raised $347 million in Series B financing co-led by ADM Ventures."

[@Dionyzos]

You don’t need to wait for such innovations if you want to make a difference. Plant based alternatives have become surprisingly good.

[@bigdave9649]

I will never trust lab grown meat. With all this technology, everything is still confidential. Unless they have a transparent live stream of this making process, not touching fake meat.

[@migueeeelet]

I'm sure it'll be more transparent once it becomes mainstream. Right now everyone's racing for the patents.

[@sebastiandoerfert8668]

Your video is outdated, when incomes to FBS. FBS is no longer needed. I recently listened to an interview with the Dutch scientist who created the first lab grown burger. Based on that interview it is fair to say that this problem was solved 2 years ago. By putting this misinformation so prominently at the beginning of the video, most people probably stopped watching after that and did miss out on all your well researched facts on the topic, which show a bright future for the technology….

[@carolinapluma2438]

What about the excesive use of water and the size of the biorreactors? Is feasible?

[@sebastiandoerfert8668]

@@carolinapluma2438 the amount of water needed is a fraction of the amount of water needed for animals. The reactor can be built up, just like in a beer brewery. The space footprint is minimal. Significantly fewer resources are needed to make the broth to grow the meat, compared to feeding an animal, since no bones etc. need to be grown. The environmental impact of lab grown meat is a fraction of that of animal agriculture!

[@Crocodile2873]

I probably wouldn’t eat lab grown meat, and I feel like many other people feel the same. I think the solution is to keep meat in our diet, but just eat less of it. There’s no reason for us to eat meat every single day

[@GarudaLegends]

there is a better reason to eat meat every meal. you live longer. just eat more meat and less nuts/fruits/grains/legumes/veggies. meat is less taxing

[@juusomaenpaa7236]

Why not do both?

[@Michael-M_Nguyen]

At 1:49 isn't it terribly misleading to use a statistic about "all food production" as an argument against meat and its effect on the environment? I'm not necessarily saying meat is not a problem, but it's like saying cars produce carbon emissions and then showing the effect from all machines in the world.

[@jeffersonott4357]

I’m not sure why FBS was introduced with that negative inflection. I suppose it’s not completely animal free, but I think a very good case could still be made to day that it is still Cruelty free. To me at least, the cruelty aspect is my moral objection to eating factory farmed meat, if you remove the cruelty aspect, I, and I suspect a lot of people, have no moral objection to eating animal products.

[@jhe9521]

for fetus to be viable it has to be preserved = farmers need pre-arranged storage facilities c/o interested scientists = farmers now have reason to kill pregnant cows ⍨

[@RobinHood-lz2wj]

It’s an interesting perspective. Tony Seba predicts that livestock based meat production will be a small fraction of what it is today within 10 years based on declining cost curves. The climate rationale for eliminating meats from our diets has a couple of weaknesses from my perspective. There is no doubt that our current industrial ag model for both plant and animal based foods is horribly destructive. But there is another way. Regenerative ag uses animals as tools in their normal roles in the ecology to bring life back to damaged soils. People are also building soil back in badly eroded areas. And our grasslands represent an even bigger carbon sink than our forests. Thanks for your research! Keep it up. Reach out to us at Hood Family Farms. We are nearby.

[@pluspiping]

Exactly this. Most of our worldwide landscape cannot be used for any kind of agriculture - sustainable or not. Livestock animals can make use of (and restore healthier ecosystems to) land that would never be feasibly for growing crops. We can develop better agricultural regulations to protect animal welfare, and switch to renewable energy sources for all the actions we take around the animal (and its carass if it's slaughtered). The solution to a sustainable future is not one-size fits all!

[@russellzauner]

This seems like a lot of trouble to go through to create something that already has several analogues in the fungus/mushroom world. In fact, we're trying to back-replicate mushrooms, looking at the process. I am an omnivore but I have also started to keep chickens and now I don't really feel like eating them or their eggs (I used to LOVE eggs, it was a primary protein for me and ate them every day at more than one meal usually). I have a feeling if I keep a pig or cow it will end up the same, so outside of sea bugs the only alternatives are finding other proteins.

[@kennethkho7165]

I disagree. In the grand scheme of things, doesn't really cost much to attempt making economically viable lab grown meat, so it's not really "a lot of trouble". And it's great if you love mushrooms, but it's also great to have many affordable consumer choice. At the end, only consumers can provide answers to the fundamental economic questions: "What should we produce? How should we produce it? For whom should we produce it?"

[@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368]

I agree. There's an industry that's perfected growing, managing, and processing natural beef. The money and effort should be spent on making that industry more humane and more environmentally friendly. For all the people with moral qualms, there's always abstinence, tofu, vitamins and bugs for their dietary replacements.

[@russellzauner]

@@kennethkho7165 "great if you love mushrooms" I hate mushrooms, they are slimy and gross. But I like meals made with chicken of the woods, lobster claw, etc. THEY LITERALLY LOOK AND TASTE LIKE MEAT. You have been conditioned by the meat industry, another puppet of Keynesian Economics. You now have the burden of knowledge. What you do with it is how you will live your life thereafter.

[@russellzauner]

@@oldmandoinghighkicksonlyin1368 You seem like the kind of person that would recommend abstinence for the elimination of STDs instead of solving them problem, then would go ahead and keep having sex the way that causes the problem. I could ask you a couple questions I already know the answers to and really don't care to hear again. The people who want to persist are those who are either extracting wealth or having the wealth extracted from them and aspiring to be the ones doing the extraction someday in return for their loyalty to inhumanity. For all the people with indoctrination into the culture of victimhood , there's always going to live in a cave so you don't have to watch your perceived entitlement vanish while the rest of the world actually learns things and puts that knowledge to use, regardless of your programmed sensibilities granted to you by oil and steel barons of a long gone time that needs to finish vanishing (we don't need oil or steel either, never did). You have been conditioned by the meat industry, another puppet of Keynesian Economics. You now have the burden of knowledge. What you do with it is how you will live your life thereafter. It shows the color of your character.

[@GrandCorsair]

@@russellzauner Jesus Christ man lighten up

[@steve25782]

fbs is no longer necessary. Several companies have technologies, and they aren't expensive. Cultured chicken is around the same cost as natural chicken. You give real problems, but you vastly exaggerate the difficulty of solving them. :-)

[@saulgoodman9278]

Names pls

[@RobinHood-lz2wj]

You referred to nutrients to feed the culture. What are the constituents of the nutrient soup? Where do they come from?

[@MegaDman34]

Don’t you think it’s a bit disingenuous for you to show the graphic at 1:52 with cows when that number represents ALL food production? Or are you assuming/implying that non-meat agriculture is an insignificant proportion of that total? In which case I’d strongly disagree.

[@SlinkyDrinky]

Do you think plants produce greenhouse gasses?

[@MegaDman34]

@@SlinkyDrinky no, but agriculture does… irrigation, transportation, cultivation, processing. It all produces CO2

[@SlinkyDrinky]

@@MegaDman34 Correct, and 75% of all those crops are fed to livestock. Also, methane is 30 times more potent than C02.

[@MegaDman34]

@@SlinkyDrinky correction, most estimates have the actual percent of crops fed to livestock as 34-40%. So again I say, I disagree with the assumption that crops for humans is an insignificant contributor to global emissions. The truth of the situation is that there will always be emissions to feed people, but I took issue with pretending that livestock is the only producer of agricultural emissions.

[@SlinkyDrinky]

​@@MegaDman34 You didn't address the severity of methane compared to C02. But in response to your recent claim. 60 percent of the global biomass of mammals is made up of domesticated livestock, compared to 36% for humans. So if you think that as little as 34% of crops are fed to animals. Then there is an even bigger problem, land usage, it requires 3 times more land to raise animals without feeding them crops, and even more if you are considering factory farmed animals. So pick your poison, mass deforestation for crops, or more massive deforestation for grazing and organically raised animals.. but there's a 3rd option, giving up animal products and freeing up land for re-forestation, which will drop greenhouse gases contribution majorly, and also start sinking carbon back into the soil. Therefore, raising livestock for food is the biggest producer of agricultural emissions, as well as the biggest blockade is carbon sinking, so it should be addressed first, and it deserves to be a focus on that graphic.

[@akshajajay5900]

There will always be huge hurdles to overcome in new tech, let's just hope that we get around them asap.

[@migueeeelet]

And they are on it!

[@ImplodedAtom]

Honestly, if you can't even make the chicken taste just like chicken then you've definitely got a long way to go.

[@QuantumFluxable]

try marinading and frying some jackfruit, it tastes a lot like chicken and you can easily buy it canned. plus there's 0% cow fetus in there :)

[@just4deez]

Have you tried mushrooms. Some of them actually get remarkably close to the texture of chicken.

[@aranyakm]

Better humans like Pythagoras, Tolstoy and Bernard Shaw survived without meat.

[@whitneybuxton9610]

Nothing replaces meat, nothing but meat has the same vitamin content, especially fat-soluble vitamins, which are hormones, so only found in animals. Regenerative farming has a carbon-negative footprint and is the way forward, if everyone could be on the same page. The nutrient content of meat is determined by what the animal eats, and thus there isn’t any way lab grown meat could compete.

[@bartmannn6717]

Lab-grown meat now sounds a lot more like nuclear fusion power plants (which are taking ever longer to become feasible) :-/ . I hope, I'm wrong about this....

[@thenegativoneify]

There is no "problem" with eating meat..its natural not immoral

[@ivanmarribas]

The moral controversy is not related to eating meat, but rather to how it's obtained and what impact it has

[@ivanmarribas]

​​ @Jaxan-dq2jy So it's irrational to empathize with children that are abused by their parents, no? "It's just Darwinism". Lions, sometimes, eat their own babies, so let's do the same, because it has an evolutionary reason...

[@JohnDoe-qv3rf]

​@ivanmarribas all of history animals have eaten other animals. You, are the outsider. Stop with your cultist preaching and let others do what they wish and has been accepted for all of history.

[@justzephan2267]

I was going to write a comment about the possibilities of genetic modification but decided against it bc I didn’t wanna have to deal with the people replying. Then boom a full third of the video was about it. I agree with all the concerns and I think we need to change a lot about our food system.

[@tridibmondal9148]

More than Lab grown meat, Plant based meat holds more possibilities.

[@jeffreycoriell9617]

I'd rather support lab grown meat than ever have to eat insects

[@acrocent9788]

Insects are better imo

[@Tawanda99]

Thank you Real Science. Excellent video. Such a cruel process. This information needs to reach the masses!!

[@manideepguntuku9791]

After seeing this, I feel plant based meat might reach consumers faster, even Considering the time it takes to make it indistinguishable to the real deal

[@slawaxas]

theres already some good stuff out there

[@Magneticlaw]

The 'blood' of the impossible burger is made from soy bean roots - not something that humans have ever eaten, and probably not healthy.

[@slawaxas]

@@Magneticlaw the antibiotics in meat Sure are a better alternative

[@amphicyon4359]

I think that GMO cells will be the key to circumventing the condition requirements we're facing now. Turning off or removing all genes not devoted to growing meat cells should drastically scale up efficiency. Looking forward and hoping we will soon reach that point, because it makes logical sense that growing only the parts we need should be economically cheaper at every level. Small scale ranchers may soon be in trouble though..

[@ConfusedRaccoon]

Small scale ranchers already are. You either go super ranch or get squeezed out.

[@Croz89]

@@ConfusedRaccoon Subsidies keep them alive in many countries, especially in the EU.

[@amphicyon4359]

@@ConfusedRaccoon ​ Not to mention small and developing countries as well

[@jpslayermayor9293]

It isnt mentioned here but Ive heard disinformation that plant based meat that tastes like animal meat is grown and requires fetal bovine syndrome FBS. This isnt true, there is a huge difference between lab grown meat cells and plant based meat. Unlike Impossible Foods and Beyond Meat which use plants to try and recreate the taste of meat, lab-grown meat takes a slightly different approach. It takes the stem cells from an animal and places them in a bioreactor, encouraging the growth of more cells that can be used to create a new cut of meat.

[@romainquintosol4575]

Wow, truely eye openning thanks for the video, it gives plenty of infos to follow up.

[@esmenhamaire6398]

Interesting video! I had no idea about the FBS aspect of lab-grown meat. Here's hoping that a purely synthetic version can be created soon, for those that insist on eating actual meat. Meanwhile, I started trying plant-based products some years ago, to see what they're like and how good they're getting. (I'm in the UK btw). 30 years ago, a sausage-meat replacement was good enough that a chap at a party wouldnt believe there as nothing from an animal in teh sausage rolls I'd made and brought to the party - but that was about the only meat-substitute product I could honestly say I liked back then. More recently, I've come to prefer plant protein burgers to actual meat ones; ditto the sausages and meatballs that I buy. There are some good non-dairy cheeses (and have been for some years), although if you expect , say, an exact replica of Cheddar cheese, you may be out of luck, but if you simply regard them as new types of cheese to try and hopefully enjoy, chances are decent you'll find one you like. Milk was my main sticking point, particularly for use in tea. But about a year ago, I came across oat milk, and it is yummy, and doesnt negatively affect the taste of tea (IMO. YMMV). Bacon substitutes - they're nice enough in themselves, but only about 2/3-3/4 the way to being as close to real bacon as the burgers are to beefburgers. TLDR - There ARE good plant-based substitutes for processed meat products, and even some dairy products. The same can't be said for cuts of meat (although as I only ever liked processed meats, that wasnt a problem for me). The quality of the the substitutes (in terms of taste and texture compared to the real thing) can vary widely between manufacturers though, so it's worth trying more than just one brand. One way and another, good luck, all, with doing your best to adapt your diet in the way that is most suitable for you!

[@BannDesigns]

The statement in this video that it wouldn‘t be possible to grow labgrown meat without FBS from animals is just wrong. Take Mosa Meat, the creators of the first lab grown burger patty in the video as an example. They state the following: „Developing an alternative to FBS was a difficult task that took Mosa Meat years of research, but our scientists have been able to completely remove it from our media.“ They accomplished this in 2019 and wouldn‘t continue research if it wasn‘t possible to grow labgrown meat without FBS from animals.

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

I really like these ideas. But when every month groceries just eat whatever money we get, this more expensive alternative isn't viable. (I'm Brazillian btw)

[@PresidentialWinner]

Ditto, TLDR, IMO, YMMV, dude you need to use less of these things roflmao To your comment; It's true the substitutes have become better and will continue to do so. But the argument for lab grown meat is that it's not "kind of like" or "similar to" it's the same product, only made without any ethical baggage that comes from meat production. It's the endgame. For example i don't mind oatmilk either, but i do prefer regular milk. So i am quite happy that they (some scientists/companies) are also creating synthetic milk which uses vats and bacteria. The end product is identical to milk.

[@PresidentialWinner]

Oh and i read about a seaweed which tastes like bacon when fried. It seems impossible but i would love to try that.

[@DemonLordGamingAC0]

@@PresidentialWinner with the right seasoning it look very plausible

[@John_does]

Question, you said FBS is the only known compound useble in all lab grown meats, is there others more specialised compounds that exist out there?

[@migueeeelet]

There are, in fact. Quote from someone else "Mosa Meat announced a year ago that they had an FBS alternative that cost 88x less. Upside Foods, the one with the new pilot plant, has a working alternative in place and they're currently putting it into practice. They're committed to only releasing products to market that are 100% free from animal slaughter. "

[@just4deez]

FBS is a known complex media (i.e. a mixture of organic materials that are not chemically pure and not specifically identified chemical components) that works well on many lab grown meats. To replace the functions of the different components in FBS we can use defined media (a mixture where its composition is exactly known) but the required nutrients and growth factor required in this defined media is dependent on the species of cells being grown. Furthermore, creating defined media requires mixing pure or purified components which can be extremely expensive (such as examples stated in this video). You would require a mixture of amino acids, sugars, salts, growth factors, cofactors (usually on the order of 50 or more components) that are essential for cellular growth and to prevent the cells from differentiating. You need these factors to make the cells grow and to prevent the cells from transforming into forms that you don't want (e.g. you want muscle cells not nerve cells). There are alternative complex media to FBS such as plant-derived lysates for example, which contain all the essential amino acids, but you still have to add in specific growth factors and nutrients before they can be used to grow animal cells.

[@aidanmccreary8727]

I work with cultured meat and grow cell cultures using Serum Free media that doesn't contain FBS or any other animal-derived compounds. So yea there are more specialized compounds but they tend to be pretty specific and don't always work as well as FBS does

[@LotsOfFunyoutubechannel]

Imma enjoy my mushrooms . Not quite meat, not worse than it.

[@aniksamiurrahman6365]

1:41 Isn't the CO2 and CH4 emitted by cattle comes directly from the plant matter they eat? Doesn't that mean, cows are just returning the atmospheric carbon that they ate as plant and not contributing any new carbon to the atmosphere?

[@lobotzindiegoantesnesslope6004]

9:38 min im sick of this , this is grotesque! , seriously is that hard to just eat meat 🥩 consume another animal just in a special event?! im not saying thanksgiving or anything like dat , a really meaningful special occasion, just once in a while , it will be cheaper and with all this monstrous atrocities