The TRUTH about Organic Labels

[@eugenemakes]

There are some states where the barrier for entry is by state regulation so high that it’s not possible to do small scale organic farming at all! My dad had a small herd of about 20 dairy goats and was never allowed to sell the milk in stores because he couldn’t afford to get an industrial pasteurization setup. The truth is that most of the risk from raw milk comes from large scale industrial agriculture, and at such a small scale we never had a problem over a decade of drinking raw milk. He was able to sell the organic sauerkraut and kombucha he made, but without the organic label.

[@FutureProofTV]

Yeah this is true of a lot of situations! There’s so many things that you need to pass it’s almost as if it was designed for certain large corporations to achieve only 🧐🧐🧐

[@violetviolet888]

Eugene Brukhman: This is a common problem in the industrialized conventional ag system that prohibits small organic farmers from scaling up. It's accessible processing facilities no matter if it's dairy, meat, produce, etc so they meet federal regulations. This is why Food Hubs can be helpful for certain farmers. Essential physical resources are needed in this country to enable organic producers.

[@ryan_walker]

Hm. Where is he from? I would personally love the oppurtunity to buy raw goat milk from him!

[@dannydaw59]

It's safe if it's consumed soon after leaving the animal. The longer the supply chain the higher the risk.

[@violetviolet888]

@@dannydaw59 It actually lasts longer and stays more fresh than pasteurized milk. I've witnessed the phenomena.

[@NyssaMysteria]

This is one of my driving reasons why I started my own garden, I know exactly what I'm getting and that my produce will *actually* be organic. It takes a lot of work, but being self sufficient is so worth it in this world that was set up for us to fail.

[@FutureProofTV]

Yeah the garden is the only place where you know exactly what’s going in and out! Local farmers are your next best bet.

[@pauljjalix7400]

Metoo

[@HP-jm3zb]

Hopefully, how do you know the seeds aren't GMO ???

[@violetviolet888]

11:30 My partner is a Certified Organic Farm Advisor and has been a Certified Organic Farm Inspector. The difference in so-called "pesticide" use is that conventional pesticides can last in the environment (like soil or your body) for years, decades or centuries (very long half-lifes). *Organic* management uses things like hydrogen peroxide which is not harmful to the environment and only lasts long enough for treatment which is many cases is a few hours or days-not years because they are not long lasting synthetic pesticides. This is an incredibly significant distinction that is almost NEVER talked about all these types of videos (and this video trivializes the difference). I don't see anything in this video interviewing the NOSB the (National Organic Standards Board) a Federal Advisory Board or OMRI the (Organic Materials Review Institute) which assures the suitability of products for certified organic production, handling, and processing. Rarely do they state that is is *illegal* for the USDA Organic label to be used on a product unless it has been certified. This video is as incomplete as the majority of content that _attempts_ to explain these topics. Organic Certification is time consuming and extremely expensive for organic farmers. The seeds they use, the cardboard boxes they use for transport all have to be pesticide free. (Conventional boxes are treated with pesticides.) Even the vehicles they use must never have had conventional produce with pesticides in the vehicle.The paperwork they have to go through is enormous. Conventional Pesticides eaten daily and chronically do not allow your body's systems to function properly. "Big Ag" (conventional ag) RUNS this country, they have lobbyists that were the top executives at Monsanto and went on to work for the USDA - a revolving door which you can look up. No one can touch them. They have the money and resources to create misinformation and doubt which is enough to affect consumer opinion. These are people literally at the top of the food chain-running the food chain to keep themselves in power in the name of profit at the expense of human health. Organic Farmers do it because they believe in it, not because any of them are getting rich. It's extremely hard work, more labor than conventional farming. It's one of the most labor intensive jobs you could work ever in. If you really want to learn about what will lead to a healthy body look up videos with *Dr. William Li* who works with NASA astronauts and helped get his own mother with cancer into remission, he even has a "Masterclass" series. Organic food is a large component of what enables your body to function as it should. Best case scenario: Grow your own food without pesticides. Did you know that plants that have been eaten by pests are actually *healthier* than conventional perfect looking produce? The plants' stress response initiates an increase in antioxidant compounds prior to harvest. Look up the study: Luis Cisneros-Zevallos, a horticulture and food scientist at Texas A&M University AgriLife Research, DOI: 10.1038/s41598-019-55033-w

[@cosmicheartseed]

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[@FutureProofTV]

Thanks for sharing your wisdom on this! it's a MASSIVE subject which we really only hoped to open up the conversation on. There's a million other things that could/need to be said so thanks for leaving this comment here. 👍🏻

[@alexanderm7055]

I appreciate this comment and will be looking up Dr. William Li. I'm trying to eat more organic food and do more research so this comment has taught me more than google so far!

[@Euthafro]

The propaganda bots are at it again

[@violetviolet888]

@@Euthafro Not in this conversation.

[@wajlamo]

You guys should look into permaculture food forests. The concept is you set up a garden like a forest. Once fully mature it behaves like a forest. You don't need to water it, pull weeds,etc. Your left with just pruning and picking.

[@kr_101]

I'm a food scientist working in the meat industry, and people can't even imagine what it's like behind the scenes. But also, we've improved exponentially over the last 100 years in the US! It's a tricky business because consumers want wholesome, natural food but have come to expect the taste and shelf-life of processed products. One thing we talked a lot about in university was organic food since it's a hot topic. Generally, the sentiment is that organic fruits/veggies may be marginally better for you. But being organic doesn't inherently make something healthy

[@sourdoughsavant22]

Sad that so many people prefer the processed taste. I have a coworker who is grossed out by the homegrown eggs that another coworker sells because they "seem too fresh" like what?? I get that's how we were raised but I just would hope that we have basic instinct to know better 😅

[@aWomanFreed]

Food scientist? What’s that? Why do we need such a thing? Why can’t food just be natural? The fact that we educate and employ “scientists” to manipulate our food is ridiculous. Sorry u got duped…u should get out of that industry but I’ll bet your debt is so massive u have no choice but to stay and participate in the fraud. What a shame.

[@itaintaproblem]

What is it like behind the scenes? We need the deets

[@kr_101]

@@itaintaproblem what would you like to know? I currently work in a meat plant and I'll be going back to school for a master's.

[@itaintaproblem]

@@kr_101 just curious what you think would shock people who have never seen behind the scenes. I am very curious how the animals are treated before and even after they are slaughtered

[@LaMasQueBrilla1680]

Love the longer videos btw. My millennial mind never understood the Tiktok 3 minute format because I want more information not less! :)

[@FutureProofTV]

Thanks for the feedback! We obviously prefer longer format too haha

[@sleepypsy2650]

@@FutureProofTV Maybe on Patron yall go in a little bit deeper on this stuff? I also really enjoy longer format videos but I know that the average person wont watch a super long one lol Thank yall for everything you do I really enjoy yall's content so much :D 💜

[@ttopero]

@@FutureProofTV I like that you keep them under 20 minutes. However, many topics deserve follow up & deeper dives. This is an interesting example because it was a deeper dive & deserves much more. The comments are some great seeds of topics that we would appreciate.

[@sarahnadeofpoetry]

​@@ttopero They could maybe section them off into series of 20 minute videos, and collect them in separate playlists for convenience. That would help keep people motivated, I think, even if they are interested but maybe don't have the time or patience for REALLY long videos straight up.

[@hstan29]

From someone who worked on an organic farm - a significant part of my job was spraying organic pesticides with a backpack hand pump sprayer. I.e gallons of water on ur back in the sun for hours. And we got paid $8 USD for back breaking work, no benefits. It was terrible, but also like a decent scenario on a small farm with a caring boss and good conditions and decent working hours. Not a lot of farms are like that - I had the good end of the stick

[@stellayanda5987]

Agronomy student here, i will say the general attitude in the industry is to scof at people who care about organic vs not organic produce. We also scof at anyone who doesn’t thouroughly wash their produce lol. Between the two, your consumption of surface pesticides/herbicides will be about the same. The big difference is voting with your money to support smaller farmers or larger corps. Organic doesn’t mean a small farmer though, often a corp that is a collection of smaller farms, it’s like contract work. Going to a local grocery store chain or a market gives you the best chance that the produce is sourced from a local/small farm. Dairy is a whole other beast since usually the treatment facility contracts make sure distribution is done by a corp too. Meaning essentially if your milk is pasteurized, it’s a corp product no matter where the cows live😅

[@violetviolet888]

"Agronomy" teaching in this country is still biased. And your statement "your consumption of surface pesticides/herbicides will be about the same" is very misleading and I venture to say inaccurate. See my comment above.

[@FutureProofTV]

Thanks for the comment. We agree with you that local small scale farmers are your best chance at some sustainable food

[@stellayanda5987]

@@violetviolet888 of course it is, there’s hardly any programs to choose from for this kind of education? it has to be funded by somebody… and look you can break things down product by product(that’s not usually our job to be fair) but i made a generalization because it’s the attitude i was describing 😂 sorry not everyone can summarize a complex issue in a single statement well enough to please you

[@violetviolet888]

@@stellayanda5987 It's not about pleasing me. It's about misinformation or information that is extremely biased that has become status quo due to literally the most powerful industries in the world. This does not have anything to do with "that’s not usually our job to be fair" either. There are massive systems in place to keep those systems in place. While you're in class, be conscious about being an independent thinker and question "status quo". Talk to organic farmers, board member of OMRI and the NOSB. Talk to whistleblowers. They're out there and they can share with you the reality of these systems.

[@stellayanda5987]

@@violetviolet888 yup, i make sure the research independently funded sources through reading lots of niche parts of our field, there is my independent thinking for you. I was literally just sharing the “inside” attitude i see around me, it doesn’t make me, or lots of the people around me complacent with how things are. Change is always going to be slow, and you need people on the inside of every single aspect of this industry to steer it slowly through time to become more and more environmentally conscious without giving every shareholder a heart attack. it’s hard work for everyone. And i haven’t met a single person who wants to keep things the “status quo” it’s about balance. money does matter and you can’t get much done without financial backing. I do love learning about and from lots of different kinds of people, but shutting down talking about the way things are discourages conversation. The way you put things makes people feel targeted and emotional, not a great way to spread a message that takes so many people’s livelihoods into consideration, right? I’m not in the fields doing this stuff, i’m in the labs, the offices, the presentations about new state regulations, that’s where my part is. It’s a lot of intake of information and not a lot of output. I don’t have much of a say in anything, but i do my part. Thanks.

[@ByeByeButterfree]

I actually have found that since visiting my local farmers market once a week I very scarcely go to the grocery store now and the food quality is a thousand percent better. I’ll never see eggs the same again! We are healthier and actually our money goes further at the farmers market and I never ever have sticker shock or regret as I approach the checkout. It’s all very personal. I know how the animals lived and were cared for. I know exactly which county my honey came from, or where the apples grew. Its actually pretty incredible! Hard to look at food or groceries the same way. You see the chicken packs at the store and all the labels are misleading and you wonder if the bird even lived a healthy life, or how old that milk on the shelf REALLY is or if it’s full of hormones. Local is the way to go! It may not always be “convenient” but it’s 1000% worth it.

[@thomasmeldrum6238]

There are claims made by some farmers, particularly in the “no till regenerative organic” movement that modern practices and chemicals actually hurt yields over time due to deterioration of soil and the crops’ ecosystems. Also, we can reduce our demand for crops by choosing foods that itself doesn’t demand so many of them and other resources. As for worker protections, that is a labor/class issue and we absolutely need to work on those as well.

[@0631ix]

Up until a few days ago I was a small organic fruit producer. Low standard of living in slow economy + inflation made the already expensive food even more expensive. On the other hand, certification rules are the same whether you have a small patch of land (like myself) or a massive micro-nation sized property, and the massive paperwork and costs that accompany it simply make no sense for a small producer, unless you have a knack for numbers, accounting and moving paperwork around the place. I love the physical aspect of the work, but if I knew that paperwork and fees were so intense as if I was running, dunno what, a clinic... I'd never bother with it. I've spent more energy on paperwork, taxes and whatnot than actually in the orchard. The only way organic produce (for small producers) makes sense, that I can think of, is if everyone would produce a little, but just for themselves - remove your flowers from flower pots and plant organic tomatoes and potatoes instead. Or if you have some kitchen garden, some spare land - plant a few cultures, make more stuff of each and then barter trade with others - I give you cherries, you give me goat cheese. The rest of the business is fine for big producers I guess, they can expend lawyers and accountants to deal with paperwork I guess. And all this mess exists because some food producers are too ignorant or too greedy that they're willing to spray land and produce with all kinds of poison, to make it look good on the shelves. If chemical food production faced same rigorous quality controls and procedures, there would be no need for organic production, but this is the world we live in - greed over short term profit outweighs investment in long term profit and betterment of the whole world.

[@AlsanPine]

excellent work. this is exactly why i grow my own food on my 1 acre little orchard/garden/wildlife habitat purchased in the 80's and completely changed with mountains of aged arborist wood chips. there has not been any chemicals on this property since its purchase date. i grew up summers on my uncle's farm so i am not a stranger to real fresh food but honestly the fruit i produce here is at a different level. an oh by the way... sustainable organic farming that focuses on the soil does produce more that the industrial farming... yes in volume and taste and quality and nutrition. the problem is that most people want to start growing right away on a land with poor soil. it took nearly a decade for me to complete the soil transformation here. during that time i grew noting but green manure and wildlife food. you could do it faster but i am poor so i went with free stuff. the universal law that you can do things well, you can do things cheaply, you can do things quickly, choose any two applies here too. i will not compromise on quality. i am poor. so the quick thing had to go for me. if you have a lot of money, buy already aged compost and cover your land with a layer 2" deep in winter or early spring. seed it heavily with native wild life plants. let it do its thing for a year. then you can plant your fruit trees and setup your garden. it will cost you a bundle though 🙂

[@magesalmanac6424]

That sounds like the dream. I’m so happy for you but also extremely jealous 😅

[@AlsanPine]

@@magesalmanac6424 it was a dream for decades... i just slowly made it happen as i was able. now it is a dream that is in the process of coming true as i am still working on it... and probably will until i drop dead in the compost hill and become part of my orchard. can't think of a better way to go 🙂

[@cupidok2768]

i thought the population is lowered after 2020 so many people died. so many jobs have no workers

[@camilogonzalez-williamson6267]

My mom has a lot of allergies and can actually only eat the organically grown fruits and vegetables. Organic food is way more expensive so trust me this isn't a placebo, she gets a real reaction and we wish we could just buy "normal" food. So even though organic food does use pesticides there is actually a difference and it isn't as meaningless as is made out to be here.

[@AskMiko]

Some of what she’s consuming isn’t organic despite the label, therefore if she consumes fruits and veggies with the label, but aren’t organic and has no reaction…she’s allergic to something more specific than the overarching not organic claim. This is common with many people and it’s the life long effects of chemicals.

[@FutureProofTV]

Yeah this happens with a whole bunch of organic products like wine too. Something in the conventional stuff just doesn’t work for them 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@scottdorsey8220]

​@@FutureProofTVWould love to know what the something is. Seems as if we're doomed because we really don't know what we're eating. Now PFAS chemicals are just about everything, so all the fuss about organic seems meaningless.

[@Visionaryakafonzfoederl]

@@AskMikoexactly the point, she listen to a doctor who’s job is literally to keep you sick. Think about, if nobody was sick then how would they get paid, and the sneaky terms, continuous treatment, and cure, they don’t cure anything they treat it, and if they get rid of something, that’s because they have a good chance of reverting the existing threat. Ps your moms is stupid. She’s probably allergic to you.

[@scaramouche8244]

@@FutureProofTV yes gmo

[@shibenikvaysyor8309]

Thank you for this information. I've known that workers are exposed to less herbicides etc in organic agriculture, but it's never occurred to me that they compensate for that by more physical labor. Something to keep in mind.

[@BrendaMaggio-k6m]

Physical labor is not harmful and doesn't cause cancer like pesticides do. Exercise is shown to help prevent cancer. Isn't "work" moving the body, doing physical labor also "exercise"? 'USA Today' had an article in 2004 about how Mexican-Americans had higher levels of pesticides in them, as compared to the rest of US citizens. Think that is the good and "right way" for things to be? They are the ones doing most of the farm labor and getting the pesticide exposures. That is why they are more than welcome to come here and do the work that Americans won't do! Something to keep in mind.

[@GarlicClove-k3t]

Physical labor is bad?

[@advityarajsingh]

We need more structural farming like regenerative agriculture and permaculture with the combination of latest technology and traditional practices

[@frenchiepowell]

My wife and I moved to Puerto Rico to design ecological food producing systems. It is a bummer that organic doesn't always mean no sprays or biocides... But we're happy to produce food with no imported fertilizers, no sprays, and no irrigation in a semi arid area. It's feels good to be part of the solution!

[@lawrenrich6419]

I’m Canadian and I watch your channel. Not everyone is American. More Canadian content is always appreciated

[@Anxietyfuelledprincess]

As someone who worked in organic certification, a lot of companies can say they are organic by buying organic ingredients for the inspection but can order everything they need for mass productions as a conventional produce :/

[@GarlicClove-k3t]

Isn’t that illegal? + Which companies specifically?

[@zabmcauley5647]

Watching Canadian creators, getting American content. Would love to see a Canadian version, or at least how our standards are doing in comparison. We still have the same large food conglomerates.

[@FutureProofTV]

Sadly Canadian content doesn’t really perform well unless it’s “crazy things in Canada you haven’t heard of” and stuff like that. America is just so much bigger as an audience 😢

[@deepmcs2669]

You have to love Levi though. I got to interview him on my show. He's the best.

[@Andrew-gx7xu]

@@FutureProofTVmaybe you can do a video of Canada vs USA food regulations and safety for health. That’d be interesting as an American

[@GarlicClove-k3t]

@@FutureProofTV​​⁠ Or worded a different way: “I make content with my main goal being income. If it’s not as profitable, I’m not willing to produce it.” 😢

[@Mannyxdaxgoat]

Damn, that viewership location stat just made realize I’m the only one in Nigeria who watches this channel like everyday

[@Nature_Ransacked]

Having a Canadian version of this would be really interesting

[@cupidok2768]

let me be canadian

[@joynichols4002]

What in this country isn’t a lie?

[@markbalogh9655]

great comment

[@meslzr1]

In Argentina this is taught in schools. As you've said many products are organic yet it's too expensive to get the label. For example there are many brands of coffee and tea are organic, otherwise wouldn't be able to drink, yet getting the stamp is so hard and expensive. Also vegetables it's easier than a piece of meat, since they have to check the vegetables or grass those animals eat have to be organic then those animal have to be monitored with the vaccines etc

[@JustACitrus]

When people say they don't eat GMOs while eating their organic banana I just smile and nod.

[@randalalansmith9883]

And that's because some conversations classify unnatural selection as "genetic modification" to muddy the waters. Poodles: genetically-modified Aztec Maize: genetically-modified Checkmate, Hippies!

[@rootmother]

the problem isn’t the genetic modification, they are modifying the genes so that the plants don’t die when doused with roundup and then dousing them

[@GarlicClove-k3t]

@@rootmotherThat is true with soybeans, corn, perhaps others, but that is not true for bananas like the OP implied. All the bananas we see are genetically identical “clones” which were bred using traditional plant breeding methods. For an interesting read, check out the history of bananas. The ones we eat/know are a different cultivar from the ones our great grandparents knew. The flavor of that old (and extinct) variety is supposedly closer to the flavor of banana candies than the modern banana. Yes I know there are other bananas grown. Lots of different kinds in certain parts of the world. But we rarely if ever see those produced commercially. For an even crazier story, read up on the history of the United Fruit Company. Pretty sickening stuff.

[@GarlicClove-k3t]

@@randalalansmith9883Very true!

[@XanderPie]

You're so right!...kind of. So, YES, current "organic" practices are not practical and labor-intensive. HOWEVER there are many "conventional" producers that are turning to beyond organic practices (no-till, compost extract and tea distribution, cover crop usage, etc.) that are actually increasing yields from normal conventional yields with less effort and little to no inputs (fertilizer, pesticides). At the same time these efforts are actually not only drawing down more carbon but they are also increasing ground water stores.

[@pinkroses135]

I lean towards organic potatoes because the good ones per bag and shelf life tends to be longer 🤷‍♀️ Not sure what they're doing to them but it works for me

[@GarlicClove-k3t]

Interesting. Conventional are even sprayed with chems to stop the eyes from forming.

[@jeannesutter4951]

Earl Butz is often vilified, but what is also often missing from the narrative is that there was a major grain crop collapse across much of the world. People would very likely have gone hungry is Butz hadn’t forced farmers to ramp up production. We’ve had some rough consequences, but not all of his motives had ill intent.

[@FutureProofTV]

Agreed! He made a choice and at the time it probably felt like the right one!

[@idraote]

I wouldn't feel as bad about food if corporations had ethics (I know, ah, ah, ah) and realised that there are products by which certain basic standards must be adhered to. Ok, now I'll go cry in a dark corner...

[@DrDisinfect_TheWorld]

If you think about it, Americans over consume food in this century than in any other century prior. So you wouldn't consume "organic" foods as heavily anyway. You'd eat foods organically the same way we did before the industrialization of fast or convenience foods. We eat more convenience foods bc they're....convenient. Which means mass producing unhealthier foods. Shop local farmers and eat organic. It's only more expensive if it has to be housed on store shelves. Shopping my local farmer's market comes out way cheaper

[@cuttingedgeinnovationstati5208]

Thanks for the video. As a small roast to order coffee owner, I get this question all the time. Is my coffee organic? I would like the label for the marketability of it only, just not at the price and extra hoops I would need to jump through.

[@FutureProofTV]

It’s sadly a universal sigh of supposed quality. It’s just so sad that most producers can’t get it easier when they are…

[@WHALEx3]

I didn’t want to click on the video because of the thumbnail: I regularly buy organic foods and I just wanted to avoid any kind of criticism. Glad I clicked though.

[@danieleatesia12]

I hope that you do a future proof video on cruises ships and their environmental impact 😅

[@jerrymiller9039]

Old school TV dinners had aluminum trays and were heated in ovens. Microwave ovens did not exist back then

[@zucchinigreen]

I was surprised he didn't explain what TV watching was. The last time I talked to a young person about what TV shows they watch, they said they didn't watch TV only streaming. Me: *turns into a fossil*

[@MrOzzie30954]

Can you do a video on seed oils? I feel like aligns with your videos and it’s in 90% of our food in the US and almost impossible to get away from.

[@brightphoebesays]

Always disappointed when I buy organic carrots that they are no tastier than conventional carrots, and nothing like home grown. : (

[@kjmav10135]

Over time, corporate farming destroys the soil and crop levels go down. So, yeah. Efficient for a few years, and then soil quality sinks and food quality goes down.

[@RealJonzuk]

its fine

[@Saturnchild56]

I just found this channel....what a treasure.

[@sylphsarigo1996]

I straight up avoid organic produce; It's super expensive and I don't believe it's any better for my health.

[@Julio0o]

Video starts 3:10

[@lecabinette]

I apologize if it has already been mentioned, but there is more to it. A large and important factor also lies in the establishing of healthy soil ecosystems. Adding organic 'fertilizer' can be as simple as adding a layer of compost throughout a garden space. Needless to say, not all producers are completely honest and upfront about their methodologies. I personally wouldn't go out of my way to source USDA certified organic produce unless the quality seemed better than conventional. Maine MOFGA and Oregon Tilth are known to be highly regarded certification agencies. Check your local farmer's market or start a garden yourself. Pay somebody else to do it for you if you have the money. There's also something to be said for biodiversity as opposed to monocropping. Feed the soil and it will feed you!

[@pinopanicked]

once again an amazing video! you make me laugh continuously throughout your videos Levi will definitely be helping you over on patreon too!!

[@deepmcs2669]

I got to interview Levi on my show. You should check it out. He's an amazing guy.

[@dannydaw59]

I came across organic strawberries that were CHEAPER than the non organic Driscoli brand non organic strawberries. Same store, same day. That's extremely rare.😮

[@GarlicClove-k3t]

A lucky day! 😀

[@tghodosko7259]

My friend was an engineer at Nestle and he said natural meant it was in the environment (facility) for more than 48 hours, with dust, rats, spit, roaches that fall in the chocolate vat, etc.

[@TheOnlyTaps]

One of the most frustrating things about trying to actually be more sustainable is how expensive it actually is to do that :( which is a shame coz one would think the cheapest products are the most natural but they tend to be the most processed or mass produced with shortcuts so the average household is rarely ever in a position to properly live "sustainably" whilst simultaneously making financially sustainable decisions

[@powerhousebakeryatnutritio1311]

Super interesting! Thank you for such great information!!

[@cuzinofie6]

THANK YOUUUUU for this information!! Exactly the questions ive wanted answered

[@joshuamarcano350]

All of a sudden the government and food industry care about our health so now we have organic overload everywhere. I’m not sold on that.

[@jenniferc7005]

Actually tv dinner started before microwaves. They were cooked in the oven.

[@BarryPiper]

I avoid this problem by just avoiding anything organic. Organic produce is much more expensive and with no significant benefits. Organic farms use pesticides too - often more toxic ones. Coper sulfate anyone? In the immortal words of Dan Glickman (Secty of Ag at the time the 'organic' label was dreamed up): “Let me be clear about one thing. The organic label is a marketing tool. It is not a statement about food safety. Nor is ‘organic’ a value judgment about nutrition or quality.”

[@dh8203]

Certified Organic does not mean you have a lower potential for pesticide exposure. It's just the types of chemicals that can be used that is restricted. Some organic pesticides are things like hydrogen peroxide, or caraway oil which is quite safe relatively speaking, others are chemicals like copper compounds and even petroleum oil which are "natural" but far less safe. When it comes to food and environmental safety industrial organic farming isn't any better than industrial conventional farming, so it takes more than just an Organic sticker to make a good choice on the produce you consume.

[@danwilkinson2797]

There are many foods that grow in the forest and in your ditch or lawns that are tasty and good for you. The gardening practices of the ancient Koreans known today as Korean natural farming.

[@wesleykalor5267]

Some foods are and some are not organic. Not all organic foods are healthy. Though some foods are created or produced organic, they contain components that are included, but are deceptive as to be worth eating because they're actually farmed unnaturally or metabolize dangerously. Oils often fall into this category. Seeds can be added to the list.

[@TheNiteNinja19]

The movie supersize me 2, goes into extreme detail about the food oligopoly, how free range is defined as well as organic. Pretty interesting.

[@Strawation]

i look forward to a potential side channel where you guys go further into the topic with follow-ups to questions/points made in the comments. This video was so vague and surface-level that it only leaves us wanting more since the only message you conveyed was akin to "chocolatey/chocolate-flavored =/= chocolate" which is now common knowledge amongst most people

[@leelindsay5618]

9:38 for the actual start of the video - bunches of hot air prior and a bit of history. Only Regen products are testing with increased nutrients than conventional or Organic produce/products. And Regen uses way less chemicals like pesticides or fertilizers. Oh, regenerative ag also improves diversity of plants, insects, and wildlife. It doesn't need to be scaled, but instead regen ag can be replicated where the same plot of land can produce multiple streams of food while healing the watercycle and improving earthworm habitat.

[@faithzzzzzzz]

you are very good. I wish you keep it up and keep growing subscribers. A fan from Singapore.

[@themightiness]

There used to be an organic Rockstar and it was awesome. I haven't seen it in a few years but I liked it because it had about a third of the ingredients most energy drinks have.

[@JohnTovar-ks8dp]

Speaking of farmer's markets, maybe you could do a video on dyed flowers. They seem to be too, too common.

[@babydii3487]

It's only organic if you grow it yourself

[@kathylewis7543]

Thank you! Crazy world we live in... just ordered a bread machine to do organic doughs for breads, pastas and jams and yogurts! I'm so through with it! Also making butter from heavy cream... just a start but have to start somewhere can't afford the kitchen aid plus all the extra gadgets to make pasta and stuff so next best thing!

[@eritua433]

thanks for calling me out for eating food infront of a screen as i’m eating food infront of a screen lol

[@zialuna]

Please research and make a video about regenerative agriculture. It is better for the environment, results in more nutrient-dense food, and can actually result in higher yields than conventional or organic. Thanks!

[@sirenialpz]

The price goes up just because of the label and its production costs. But! I know people who worked for TF, and the produce that was packed as organic was regular produce. So they were lying about the authenticity of the product and charging organic label price. SOOOOO! to be honest, I dont really believe that companies actually sell the real thing, some might do, some others definitely don't, and I can kind of understand why. But still, they shouldn't lie about it. So every time I buy organic labeled products, I only pray that is actually the real thing. 😅

[@trevorfichtner3539]

Organic growing can actually be significantly less labor than conventional agriculture when we assess the total nutrient pool and soil microbiology. when organic farming is done correctly it can grow massive yields with minimal to even no pest pressure. the idea that organic food costs more labor is just something big chem is pushing on media to push to the people to not prefer organic food, and agree with use of pesticides and fertilizers, which are destroying farmers, prices, food quality, air quality, and water usage (and quality in some cases) simultaneously. this labor factor does not have to be true at all, but it depends on the farmers practices and situation. organic farming done correctly with soil biology analysis can set a farm up to grow virtually all on its own with incredible yields.

[@pushslice]

In the coffee industry, and notoriously in Brazil, organic certification rules tend to discourage conversion of existing farms, and rather …promote start-up of new farms via use of deforestation. It’s pretty bad .

[@fourdayhomestead2839]

The dream of being certified organic ended after the 3 year dog & pony show of certification education, transition & the binder of inputs kept up had to be tossed on a shelf (I went on a 1 hour off farm errand & came home to a family member sprinkling a pesticide on the cabbage).

[@orcapodstudio-retronaut]

With more detail, even the loopholes were companies would avoid trouble with the states

[@ireh379]

I always appreciate you thoughts, however organic production is long term more productive than chemical agriculture. There’s several studies pointing towards this. Organic ag will normally loose productivity after conversion then rebound to greater output after the soil and systems become used to organic farming. Organic is not too far from chemical ag., to be able to feed the 10 billion people in the near future. The reason why chemical agriculture is so efficient today is bc of the billions of R&D. If we focused on producing more effective organic additions there wouldn’t be to many differences on farms outputs. Soil health is also one of the most important factors in how organic farming can reduce the impact of agriculture on the climate. The soils of healthy, long term organic farms are often carbon sinks because of the biodiversity of their soils. Organic can be the same scale as conventional. Organic will always be more sustainable than conventional.

[@DrexylSpivey]

Look into the ddt dumpsite off the coast of Southern California. Tens of thousands of barrels of ddt were found on the ocean floor

[@cynshim673]

The modern banana with a smiley face 😄😂😂.... so funny 🤣

[@Jasminepsalm]

i had no issue listening thank you so much

[@billylyf6995]

Woohoo I'm part of the 3.3%🎉

[@kaiseriv8483]

Grow food in your entire front and back yard.

[@eastcoastartist]

Is your back ground a camper or a tiny house? 🏡

[@livenandlove1980]

Thank you for talking about farmworkers!

[@drgskates]

Seeing the title card for this episode: Oh hey! Future Proof's covering what I've been saying for years 😂😂😂

[@krysc4d]

The stats are harsh for EU viewers. I would love to see some info about European Organic Certificate!

[@FutureProofTV]

We would love to but the video would be much longer! 😢

[@krysc4d]

@@FutureProofTV Never long enough! :)

[@comedianvip]

Video starts at 3:11

[@jesuslondonoorozco7447]

9:12 you guys also have viewers from Colombia 🙌🏽

[@balpreetsingh6834]

Was looking forward to this topic. Thank you for delivering.

[@FutureProofTV]

Thanks for being here!

[@Earthslittlesecrets]

I buy organic. It's important to spread the word and teach people what it means. Not everyone sees the benefits of organic, but I do.

[@rembalanceclubreview6236]

amazing video, congratulations

[@cariocajin]

Every American should have the freedom to own land and grow their own food. When is that going to happen? Most likely never... The system is in place to profit from you and not to make you happy and healthy.

[@Dmitrioligy]

TL;DR Scalable vs Sustainable are extremely important to mention as different. Organic farms are not scale as you mentioned, but the alternative has what cost to the land/local ecosystems long-term? You mentioned organic farming isn't as easy to scale to meet the food demand? What about the impacts of non-organic pestisides and long term health of soil and ecological damage in the area/bodies of water near the farms? Your videos are awesome, but my minor critique is that organic farming vs non-organic doesn't address long term impact to soil quality and ecosystems/wildlife. Scalable and sustainable are two independent aspects, and scalable can be approached from the other end - food expiration dates (which are approximations, not hard science), food being thrown away at grocery stores, resturants and homes for many reasons. There is enough food to go around, it's about how we manage and handle food from farm to plate. Also a lot of food grown in the US - some 60-75%~ is used ONLY to feed lifestock - which is then used to feed humans.

[@grassru-ut]

We Indigenous people originally eat organic food without labels and certifications requirements.

[@xpuffystaticx]

Can you talk about lab grown meat? Saw this piece, saying it's worse for the environment than raising cows.

[@soniashapiro4827]

I am very sensitive and organic apples aren't organic enough for me. I can only eat backyard or feral apples. Lots of toxins are still allowed. Organic pears are just fine. Go figure.

[@aayotechnology]

Wow, which other organic produce are you sensitive to?

[@AskMiko]

Organic grapes causes severe cramps and bloating for me. I’m sensitive to something being used on them

[@soniashapiro4827]

@@aayotechnology I know several people who say organic bananas and avocados aren't as organic as they used to be. (industrial organic, not homegrown)

[@REDCLAYHOMESTEAD]

Ill be looking for that like. Hope your road trip is going great.

[@FutureProofTV]

Thank you!

[@MeliponiculturaenCostaRica]

Great! I could be your 1 year younger brother! 😅 I love these topics about the food industry!

[@roraflora4255]

Love the Undertale sound effect at 0:26

[@aayotechnology]

I’d love to shop more local small scale but it’s next to impossible asking the farmers what they put on their produce - plus it’s always changing. The organic label isn’t perfect but it’s better. At least I know which chemicals ARE being used. Perhaps we need a different label or modify the rules of the current one but that’s a discussion for another day.

[@sandraebsen2208]

Trader Joe's Jose beer is brewed with GMO corn. They have noon GMO certification

[@MatthewJBD]

The blue thumbnail made me expect this to be a Future Proof Health video

[@johnyoung1601]

Another suggestion if you want to eat better, safer, tastier food: Help control the human population (namely, have fewer children, promote birth control).

[@jackjhmc820]

cheap solution is to get rid of pesticides on vegetables, so baking soda or sea shell powder from japanese designed to get rid of pesticides, as high pH get rid of most pesticides?

[@flaval24]

😂😂😂 Boy, you opened a can of worms with this video! (Organic ones at that. 😅) I've never seen so many folks so ticked off at you. You know what they say about the road to hell...

[@qolspony]

The amount of wireless nano technology in the food that the public is unaware of is frightening.

[@ChefJollyRoger]

Video starts 04:30

[@USA50_]

Amen!

[@MrAndreiy1]

Fun video as always, but it just seems a little surface-level to me and a missed opportunity to delve deeper into either the cult of organic food or what makes organic food different for the consumer. I loved the previous Future Proof video on 'How Whole Foods Changed Organic Food', which got into the producer-side of things and I think this video had the potential to go more into the consumer side. For example, it could have talked about *why* some people think Organic food is better (some important research could have been done on the big pesticides that the Organic label does ban and the reasons why they're banned; the foods where the pesticides make a big difference because traces are found more abundantly on some foods than others; what it doesn't mean; what are the issues with GMO foods, if any; any mention of research where they have actually found that certain organic foods are nutritionally better and the possible problems with this research, etc.; what does it mean for a food to be nutritionally better anyway?) and why it's good business for Big Business. Also, the video could have called out the tonnes of KZbin food and lifestyle channels that thrive on the fear of pesticides and 'clean living' - FlavCity comes to mind in particular, which is informative about what the USDA Organic label actually means but then turns this into a really expensive lifestyle based on fearing all 'non-natural' things and flogging FlavCity products. This video could have been *so* much more.

[@FutureProofTV]

There's a HUGE amount of subjects we could have covered in this video and it was already longer than our usual uploads. This was just an effort to open up the conversation on the subject for those who might just take the labels for granted.

[@violetviolet888]

@@FutureProofTV If you want to "open up the conversation" you need to facilitate and provide very specific spaces for that conversation to happen while including experts in the fields as active participants. General videos can add to confusion and mis-information without really talking to and involving the people stuck in working within the massive systems already in place. This video was just as generic as the most of the rest on this topic. Q. H. Flaccus: The reality is that if you eat strictly real organic food (not processed) you will find that you are far more satiated and end up spending LESS money. Try it for a month. You'll also feel better and find your body responds to not having to deal with synthetic pesticides and processed edible products.

[@BestOnThursdays]

Futurepoof: In the 1990's Me who was born in the 1990's: 🧓

[@FutureProofTV]

90's kids are in the building! 🙋🏻‍♂️