The Truth about Snapdragon X Laptops…

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Qualcomm’s new Snapdragon Elite X processors promise to be big on performance and little on battery drain, but can they possibly live up to Qualcomm’s lofty claims?
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0:00 - Intro
0:54 - Odoo!
1:07 - Where did Snapdragon X come from?
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[@calvinmills4069]

I almost didn't click this video because Linus was in the middle and not on the left of the thumbnail. Edit: to worst part is, I didn't watch the video when I commented. I came back to it a few hours later.

[@ZachI2289]

Underrated comment

[@EdgeLordNik]

🤣🤣🤣

[@MattWMcKay]

I did click on it because he was in the middle and not the left. #LinusMiddleGang rise up

[@ChristopherBurtraw]

Well played

[@bluedogtransportwa]

I almost didnt click this video because the handcuffs were fluffy

[@norbsobil744]

Please show benchmarks while 1. Plugged + High Performance Profile 2. Unplugged + High Performance Profile 3. Unplugged + Low Power Mode

[@Zero]

Yes! Unplugged performance is so important

[@romangeneral23]

Do it yourself

[@dazuugt7091]

​@@romangeneral23 haha

[@kamlesh_gd]

It arm based processor it similar to apple m series chip so technically it will work same as m series chips with long battery life with high preformance

[@S3verance]

​@@kamlesh_gdNot necessarily

[@thatchinaboi1]

Apparently, none of the major music production software can run on ARM, despite the promise of "full compatibility" via a translation layer.

[@soundspark]

Does the software have DRM that uses kernel-mode drivers?

[@HorrorTroll2611]

@@soundspark ASIO driver is not supported for ARM anyway, the translation layer is lack support for this driver too. So yeah, only thing to do right now is just wait or get laptop using x86_64 or Macbook. Which is really bummer

[@elclark_id]

​@@HorrorTroll2611 I hope they rework the audio driver all together because right now it's a mess, 6 different API and none of them work, and the one that work lacking in features

[@josuegonzalez3660]

Logic does.

[@bassyey]

Lol. I can run Logic Pro, Studio One, Pro Tools, and Reaper on ARM already. No problem on latency. Where did you get that fake information.

[@Jallerblue]

This has been a weird two weeks as these reviews have started coming out. I pre-ordered an X1E Surface Laptop soon after the announcement because I actually work at a chip company that makes ARM processors, so I was excited to experiment with it. It came in on June 18th and I've been running this machine into the ground trying different applications and use cases out. It's been so much fun getting to find out all of these quirks before reviews are out. I definitely hope situations like this don't happen in the future with little to no review embargo periods before other high-profile tech releases, but in this specific case, it was a lot of fun for me.

[@josipj705]

What are your thoughts on this laptop compared to x86 ones?

[@tonylancer7367]

Would love to hear your thoughts comparing this to the regular x86.

[@tumultoustortellini]

You have thoughts?

[@mrwoodcat]

thought (4) ?

[@Jallerblue]

It's a stellar laptop. It's my go-to for watching videos in my reading nook and I've tested a bunch of software that I use regularly on it. I also let my friend borrow it during our D&D sessions (we play on FoundryVTT which has some visual effects that can cause weaker hardware to chug) and he said it was pretty much perfect. I've taken it with me on a trip already where it lost pretty much no battery while asleep in my bag and in general the battery has been far better than any Windows laptop I've ever owned and it only really gets hot while gaming in my testing. All of the software I've run so far has worked, if not with a few minor visual glitches here and there. I'm using ARM64 compiled software when possible (like Photoshop and VScode), but x86 emulation has worked perfectly fine and the performance hit isn't really noticeable. I really wish my company would let me use this laptop for work, because it's got plenty of CPU compute for using VScode for remote development with plenty of tabs and documentation open. The NPU only really does anything when you're explicitly using AI features (at least for now without Windows Recall), but the AI features I have used have been fun to play with and super snappy, but the only genuinely useful one I think is the camera options like the background blur which looks much better than standard software background blur, and the eye contact effect that makes it look like you're looking directly into the lense instead of below as you would in a standard video call, and it's much more subtle and far less creepy than the Nvidia solution in the past. Games run ok and this is the only circumstance in which I've had compatibility issues. There's also a significant performance increase while plugged in (like 1.5-2x) so that's definitely recommended. Some games like Hellblade: Senuas Saga and Monster Hunter World wouldn't launch, but everything else I've tried has. Doom 2016 ran great on Medium settings and the resolution scaled down to 1080p, but changing the render resolution scale in game caused unplayable artifacting. Baldur's Gate 3 runs great at Medium or Low considering the hardware (especially when in underground dungeons), but definitely struggles in Act 3 with all the NPCs and geometry in the city, and AMD FSR is pretty much required, but looks fine in Performance mode. Rocket League runs at 70-80 fps at max settings with full resolution, but you might need to drop the settings to get to 120 Hz like some of these laptops support. Basically, the CPU is awesome and general usability is top notch. The GPU is pretty weak and has driver issues in games, but that's to be expected on a new on-die GPU at this price point. The NPU doesn't have much in the way of applications yet, so it's hard to evaluate performance there. Software compatibility is very good, but do expect some hiccups at least for now. Game compatibility is hit or miss and performance is a bit all over the place right now.

[@illuminati229]

The audio recording difference was insane!

[@25rangebomb]

Was curious with how it compared to the M processors which of course wasn't included lol

[@willwunsche6940]

​@@25rangebomb Good idea! I am sure they just forgot it though

[@somnambulist6636]

There are plenty of videos showing that , watch those shill​@@25rangebomb

[@malloott]

It's mostly rather hard to do apples to apples ​@@25rangebomb

[@1simpleAtom]

Absolutely! While the image certainly was better, the increased microphone clarity was much more impressive.

[@NoKi1119]

Given the performance and the extended battery life, Snapdragon X feels like a good pitch to university students. I'd buy it a few generations down the line when they refine the other aspects of the chip.

[@anivicuno9473]

Right up until some random program that your prof needs you to install for homework or a lab doesn't run

[@tschuuuls486]

@@anivicuno9473 Or you need to run an X86 VM. Basically unusable on Apple Silicon.

[@viniapiaia]

​@@anivicuno9473matlab crashing all the time

[@abdozouiten3815]

​@@anivicuno9473Honestly you could manage something like that with a vm. Now that you're saying it, i wonder if vm software and windows built-in hyper-v work fine on these cpus.

[@crackpotfox]

​@@anivicuno9473This exactly. Good luck running solidworks or matlab on a cell phone processor...

[@peterstainburn2871]

Stress tests really show the weakness of these processors. They are very snappy when cold but once they are saturated with heat from a stress test then the clock speeds plummet. Even the x84 variant drops down to clock speed of about 2.2GHz under a full load stress test. Thermals are about 78-80C in these conditions and for some reason the fans don’t really spin up fast when they reach these temps. If it is a thermal restriction then hopefully a bios patch to allow for faster fan speeds might fix it. But that clock speed drop really hurts its performance.

[@username8644]

Same problem as the M chips in apple laptops.

[@peterstainburn2871]

@@username8644 only on the MacBook Air as that no no cooling fan. The MBP’s do reach throttling limits but they don’t actually throttle noticeably.You might lose 100-200MHz but definitely not the 1-1.2GHz drop you find with these Qualcomm processors.

[@username8644]

@@peterstainburn2871 Maybe. The main issue with these laptops though that nobody is talking about, is that ram and drive are soldered, and nobody is offering more than 16gb of ram and 1tb drive.

[@cynicist8114]

One thing a lot of people don't mention is the standby time. I have the Lenovo Slim 7x, which I received a week ago. When I took it out of the box, I charged it to 100%. I have not had to charge it this whole week. It is still at 35% at the last time I suspended it, and it may use 1-3% battery overnight. So not only is it insanely efficient during use, but you also don't need to worry about it dying on you while you are away. I'll never use an x86 laptop again. In fact, I wish there was an ARM desktop chip with discrete GPU support. Thanks Qualcomm!

[@IngwiePhoenix]

Ampere Altras. ;)

[@victortitov1740]

the terrible sleep is thanks to windows modern standby (S0). i am lucky to own a modern laptop that does classic standby (S3), and the loss of charge while sleeping is very small and predictable.

[@cynicist8114]

@@victortitov1740 This Snapdragon is in the connected standby and still getting great battery life.

[@davidneale530]

I'm getting a similar experience with mine. I haven't run into any compatability issues so far, but I'm a coder and not a youtuber so I have zero interest in most of the things they want to test on them.

[@chaitanyamore8786]

Finally i can play clash of clans on it

[@wearefamily6820]

Did someone say hog rider?

[@mahimabiat5577]

Finally

[@squa_81]

​@@wearefamily6820 Hog rideeeeeer!

[@vizdrom]

I mean you already could with the Google Play pc app, it even has dedicated keybinds so it's not just touch/mouse

[@drmbilals]

Boycott Supercell. Greedy enemies of their creators and players.

[@DrSkiba]

I tried the Samsung Book4 Edge 14" and, by god, we did not have the same experience with the Qualcomm processors. The Samsung Book4 Edge is loaded with x86/x64 Samsung bloatware and the battery life is absolutely terrible -- 8 hours at most, but regularly just getting 6 hours. Throw that one at the labs team, I'll be standing by with popcorn.

[@Lonewolf_121]

Hmm the Samsung one has the xe80 compared to the xe78 in the video, maybe their boosting takes a lot of power? Plus Samsung bloatshit

[@DanKaschel]

I don't understand how people can like Samsung products. That has been my experience on every product of theirs I've ever had.

[@cd7677]

You said it, bloatware sucks

[@protektor2399]

@@DanKaschel I believe that their are mainly liked for their mobile products (phones, watches, tablets). Which products did you have experience with?

[@DanKaschel]

@@protektor2399 A galaxy phone, the classic watch, and a tablet I only kept for a week. The phone and watch were both great pieces of hardware, but their bloatware totally ruined my experience. Even now my watch wants me to pay with Samsung pay, back up with their back up software, use their special store, etc. I hate their attempt to lure you into their shitty little ecosystem. ... sorry I have a lot of feelings about this haha

[@LiamDilley]

It is a great start. After this video though there are a few things I have: 1. Windows: People touch on it but do not cover it enough. The first iterations of ARM based WIndows as just terrible. The complete re-do MS took to make this current iteration work better was intensive and in a relatively short time frame. The team who worked on this have done AN AMAZING JOB. Work to do but its good! 2. Discussions not covered still are how ARM can work with GPU's. Not their built in or mobile stuff. If ARM is going to be the "future"? then how is a desktop setup looking. How external upgradable memory is going to work, how the GPU is going to work, will current GPU's and their setup going to work and if not what will need to change here. I really want to see someone like LTT tackle these things in more depth on a video.

[@PixlRainbow]

the ARM architecture itself does not prevent discrete GPUs from working. In fact, several server and workstation ARM CPUs explicitly support Nvidia enterprise GPUs, and AMD GPU support is being worked on by the Linux community. But none of these drivers have made their way to Windows so far. It partially also depends on how good Qualcomm's PCIe implementation is, because some ARM manufacturers (e.g. Broadcom) half ass their PCIe controllers on the assumption that the feature would only ever be used for storage, networking, or USB ports.

[@Mattski_83]

I'd just like to say, the way you've changed graphs, made it a lot easier to understand them. I really like the little white pulsing dots, showing the results of the laptops you were talking about. I also like the colours of the FPS graphs as it took your vision to the 1% lows which are the most important thing but still had the average shown in muted grey.

[@skyclone9]

I really liked the white dots as well!

[@subrezon]

Now I need someone to test Linux on that thing.

[@FrankignoEstudiantes]

If you install Linux with WSL on Windows, the performance is 3x compared to installed Windows. I swear, it's true. (kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKiqlKlred2jbtE)

[@alexteh6926]

@@FrankignoEstudiantesLinux as in not WSL I guess, also curious to know how major distros run on bare metal

[@Chinoman10]

Considering Raspberry PI's (which is the SBC standard at this point) have ARM-based CPUs, I've expect some Linux distros to behave very well and even have a large support on most common packages.

[@thripnixe]

i smell this comment mile away

[@cheebadigga4092]

@@FrankignoEstudiantes not sure if I don't understand what you're trying to say or you don't understand what you're saying. WSL is just a Hyper-V virtual machine with a modified and pre-loaded kernel (the same for every distro) and some (heavy) modifications to other subsystems (filesystem, audio, graphics) to allow for things like achieving better filesystem performance under WSL, enabling graphical applications via FreeRDP and enabling audio playback via PulseAudio, besides many other things of course. WSL will never be faster than the underlying Windows system, nor will it be faster than a native Linux install. WSL has to do some (or many?) translations between the WSL kernel and the Windows kernel, thus requiring much more CPU cycles than direct communication to the native Windows kernel. Even if raw speeds (data transfers for example) within WSL compared to native Windows suggests that WSL might be faster in this regard, there is still more CPU cycles involved and thereforce latency is higher. And compared to native Linux.... same thing. No kernel-to-kernel translations needed and thus no latency overhead.

[@notlekrut]

Can't believe you didn't do performance tests on battery... where's the heavier workloads unplugged? where's the battery life on heavier workloads? where's performance per watt comparisons? I'm seeing Qualcomm pushing higher power budgets, but throttle more aggressively in battery compared to M chips. The same performance plugged/unplugged is a huge deal on current macbooks. You won't be able to determine that from a battery test that is only a youtube playback

[@arcadeportal32]

Me is that him and Qualcomm keep putting BG3 in the benchmarks, like that game is like Doom 2016 and can run well on a potato. Put Cyberpunk or GTA V in there even in its lowest settings, and it is a whole different story, as I have seen. Other PCs at this price point game much better if your looking for that even with integrated graphics. Were talking Mobile RTX 4050s at this price point, which to me makes it a bit of a hard sell, even if the battery life is good.

[@B.D.F.]

Tech reviewers do their audience a huge disservice when they don’t test both plugged in and unplugged, especially when there’s literally 20+ years of experience that shows it makes a significant difference on Windows laptops.

[@somnambulist6636]

Watch some other videos , there are many at this point , on battery the performance is like 98% of plugged in performance

[@JonaB03]

I had the Samsung Galaxy Book Edge4 14" model, and I can tell you that under a gaming load it will go all the way down to under two hours like every other laptop. The performance at that power level is still impressive, but I really struggle with fine-tuning that kind of thing so for my actual daily use, it'll be about the same battery life as my old laptop so I really don't see the point in upgrading.

[@somnambulist6636]

@@JonaB03 samsung laptops are trash , internals are trash , they overheat , you don't put rocket engines in scooter and expect eacape velocity

[@goinginzane]

10:07 the sequin pillow 😂😂 top tier set prop right there. Great review y’all!

[@FelipoGoncalves]

i have a Dell XPS 13 here for testing. the fact that I changed the power on windows to performance, and unplugged the power cord and the performance didnt change, was amazing. a bunch of tests went so well, so i can recommend the xps 13 (apart from pricing maybe).

[@AZisk]

where is the ultimate battery test ? :)

[@kailforian]

Idk

[@AffectionateLocomotive]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@arcadeportal32]

I need the Linux gaming test too! I really want to see the comparisons honestly. x86 Linux/Windows Gaming vs ARM Windows Gaming, even though these PC's really aren't gaming machines... they have a gaming machine price! Edit: Like I said x86 Linux vs ARM Windows, both use compatibility layers, both have Anti Cheat issues, which games better?

[@user-xv8xh2ib6p]

Chrome tabs

[@anshTyagiJi]

On your channel :)

[@gimpyggaming4287]

Digital Foundry tested games in general & games suggested for the laptop, the results are was below Steam Deck.

[@GlobalWave1]

Yeah it’s so terrible for games. Even higher end M series SOC’s are decent at running games natively.

[@somnambulist6636]

They have no games for snapdragon arm as of now , all fames are x86 based emulated by snapdragon chip , atleast give it some time to catch up bruh!

[@AwperationZ]

@@GlobalWave1 Based on the specs... the snapdragon GPU isn't bad. The issue most likely is immature drivers and it reminds me a lot of Intel ARC's growing pains.

[@MaddTheSane]

@@somnambulist6636 Or perhaps look at emulators. I know Dolphin has an ARM64 JIT that works with Windows and Mac.

[@jasonvors1922]

​@@AwperationZ 2 and a half years late snapdragon x, Intel been pumping out drivers this long and than you release a product that wasn't done cooking in the oven shunn.

[@matthieusb1810]

Hey ! Great video ! It would be great to have an idea of how well linux distributions would support these new chips ... if it does support them at all.

[@jja2000]

They don't. SoC support is there, but getting it to boot on these laptops needs some work per specific laptop (that's in the works though)

[@afurryferret]

wish for more info on linux

[@pipthegrunt4533]

I had quite an interesting issue with Snapdragon/other mobile chip laptops is that some device drivers have issues with them because of the ARM based system. The laptops themselves are great, but when our shop needed to download label printer software onto them, we found that those printers weren't compatible with ARM. That was a strange 3 hour troubleshooting process because I had no prior experience with ARM, and didnt realize standard x64/x86 drivers just didnt work on them.

[@aronseptianto8142]

don't leave us hanging, how did you solve it

[@DanKaschel]

Drivers will almost certainly be the compatibility issue with the longest tail

[@jonahhekmatyar]

Hopefully Microsoft can do some of the heavy lifting to get better compatibility. If there's one thing you can't criticize Microsoft with x86 windows it's that.

[@MicLo18751]

@@aronseptianto8142 Technically, you could try emulating x86 and then running a second windows instance on it and passing through the USB device, but that would be extremely slow and power hungry. Other than that, the only solution is using an x86 device, or waiting for an ARM driver.

[@Darthwriter]

Yeah, I'm not sure these are ready for current businesses. Most run some kind of label or check printer in my experience (been a computer tech/consultant for 29 years) and I don't think they can just emulate drivers since they talk to the hardware directly in some cases.

[@letsrace567]

I went with the surface pro 11/ X Plus combo, and I've had a lot of fun with it, trying out different applications and games that I would expect to struggle. I've been pleasantly surprised with how much stuff "just works". Don't get me wrong, there have been glitches, but battery life has been excellent, and sleep/wake is absolutely flawless so far.

[@goinginzane]

How’s the system responsiveness when you’ve got lots of tabs open and the RAM loaded up? One of my main issues with my SP9 is that my tab hoarding can bog down the machine pretty quick, which I’ve experienced a lot less of on an M2 MacBook Air

[@Dwivil]

@@goinginzane probably depends as well on what browser you use, as if you use chrome, they have awful ram management. Furthermore, it tends to just be worse performance wise.

[@goinginzane]

@@Dwivil agreed, it's one of the main reasons I've switched to Edge in addition to other useful features like vertical tabs, workspaces, etc. With its browser market share dominance, Google has really fallen asleep at the wheel while other browsers like Edge, Brave, Arc, etc have been innovating.

[@letsrace567]

@@goinginzane I have gotten it to 14/16gb ram usage, with chrome running a twitch stream on a secondary monitor, running Rufus to create a Bootable usb, and all the normal programs you'd have open alongside, as well as about a dozen tabs in another chrome window looking through ebay listings, and it hasn't skipped a beat. Cpu usage was hovering around 10-15% with spikes up to 70 from time to time. HWmonitor showed cool temps too, like 55C on the hottest core. In another session, i loaded up snowrunner, and it grabbed my cloud save, and I picked up the campaign right where I left off, at native resolution, low details, and playable frame rate. I am pleasantly surprised.

[@shaneterrell]

I did the same and swapped in a 1 TB SSD. So far, so good. I had to work away from an outlet for most of the day Monday unexpectedly. I enabled Energy Saver (which is still peppy for office productivity work) and set the display refresh rate to 60 Hz. I had that "wait, what ... the battery is still at 100%?!" experience I've only had on MacBooks in the past.

[@warlock2738]

They can also use these processers in vr glasses too......that will be interesting to see

[@fujinshu]

Probably not until the cost of production goes down for these chips. Meta is barely making a profit on the Quest 3 anyways ever since the metaverse crumbled around them.

[@altizeph]

7:42 thought the backing track here was my gas burners messing up

[@jacquesvfd]

3:25 little weird that they turned on Windows' battery saver mode but not Low Power Mode on mac?

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

Apple from Temu needs all the cards stacked in its favor, or it will fall apart quite fast.

[@DRMCC0Y]

Yeah, that seems like a huge oversight. 10 hrs for the M2 MacBook Air is about half what I would expect, given my usage of it.

[@kelvinminnaar9385]

What TDP were the AMD and Intel chips running at? Especially since you used the lower powered 7840u and not the H or HS with comparable power draw.

[@SimonBauer7]

i have an 8645hs, and it usually lasts 10 hours or so on a lenovo laptop with 52wh battery, of course only while doing office.

[@lanefu]

Would have been interesting to do basic testing on WSL2 and the ability to run VMs

[@gavrook7231]

You forgot to mention the price, these laptops are priced like MacBook Pros not their equivalent AMD/Intel models. That is to say basically double

[@LuisMan123]

the naming scheme is terrible tho, and the fact they launched with the lowest version of solid as well as people won't think "wow this X1E-78-100 is underperforming!" but instead just "damn the X Elite is worse than marketed!"

[@jaytayner4292]

Kinda surprised no compilation benchmarks, would love to use one of these on gentoo will full package support and great battery life

[@marschallblucher6197]

I can imagine the battery life would be insane considering the more lightweight nature of Linux _especially_ Gentoo. Hopefully Linux on ARM gets more battery optimization.

[@Interpause]

depends on qualcomm support. my amd laptop cores used to only throttle down to 1200Mhz when inactive. after smth amd pushed in 6.1, only then they would throttle to 400Mhz

[@lhl]

There won’t be proper Linux support for months, sadly. You can search for Qualcomm’s announced support roadmap but it looks like they are targeting 6.11 for upstreaming of most things.

[@squishtomar1676]

If I don't compile gentoo each month, I feel bad

[@akshat8586]

@@marschallblucher6197 The truth is, Linux always has worse battery life out of the box.

[@TulgaD5]

2:15 dude just switched from Mini to Wambo

[@mandasantoso]

Will wait for the third iterations and see if I want to try it.

[@jbnelson]

At 3:24, your test methodology mentions Windows Battery Saver Mode. I’m assuming this means the MacBooks were using low power mode as well? Edit: Also, thinking about it later: MacOS is still likely doing initial background checks and syncing with iCloud/indexing, since you mention it was pulled from the shelf first time being used

[@TednTin]

Ya, more clarity is needed

[@jbnelson]

@@TalesOfWar I won’t claim that they’re Apple haters or have an anti-Apple agenda, but it’s just something they pay less attention to and are less educated about. That’s fine. Nobody *has* to pay attention to Apple. The only problem is that when you include them in videos, you project absolute confidence. Which is where Linus goes on rants that are completely inaccurate from a factual perspective (such as complaining about Apple taking so long to introduce window tiling when Microsoft held a patent on it). Another example of this confidence beyond knowledge is his paint rant. Which while having some good points and complaints, anyone in the paint industry laughs at some of his complete backwards understanding of some things (like thinking satin is flatter than eggshell)

[@DeerJerky]

yeah and they also didn't include the macs in the audio/webcam test, although the test itself also isn't too helpful since they all most likely use different mics and webcams anyway and therefore aren't directly comparable

[@DRMCC0Y]

Yeah, I was wondering the same. The battery life results for the MacBooks don’t quite add up.

[@liamsz]

@@jbnelson >Which is where Linus goes on rants that are completely inaccurate from a factual perspective (such as complaining about Apple taking so long to introduce window tiling when Microsoft held a patent on it). Yeah that's my main complaint I have with Linus, he doesn't know much about Macs, at all, seems like he refuses to learn (which fair, he's a busy dude) but then don't go ranting about them if you don't know stuff about them, they're just mostly Windows users who now have to put apple in these videos because their offerings don't suck balls anymore, but haven't taken the time to educate themselves properly it seems, although this is an assumption I have, not sure if this is factual or not, so apologies if I'm wrong

[@Arunscape]

I wanna see a factorio benchmark with those arm chips

[@startjim123456]

Its gone be shit... Even the creator has done some testing on arm and uuu its not good...

[@PrograError]

factorio is CPU bottleneck right? it's been a moment...

[@pieterrossouw8596]

pretty sure the chip more than matches up to your factorio skills... 😉

[@odw32]

Would be nice to have some of these as desktop & homelab server socketed/SoC CPUs.

[@javiasilis]

Why do most Battery tests revolve in testing KZbin playback? That's when the iGPU kicks in. You can have tests that try real work that create CPU spikes: 1. Opening files/launching programs. 2. Crunching some numbers/compiling/programming. These will give you better battery tests.

[@CanIHasThisName]

Because that’s the most common usecase.

[@christianponopp8756]

AMD and Intel also have different wattage modes if you show wattage on snapdragon you should do the same on the other cpus!

[@jasonvors1922]

These were rushed out of the oven and were not fully cooked, They are gonna flop onto the floor because if you buy this over priced laptop, You're an early adopter 😂

[@ekauq2000]

I’d be curious to see if a Snapdragon X board is made for Framework laptops.

[@nilnailscrew4784]

Yeah I'd love to see an X elite main board for framework. With that and the new risc v board we'd have every major ISA on framework

[@tschorsch]

Someone could design and build one, but this one is almost certainly designed with a different layout.

[@linuxliaison]

I highly doubt it. Qualcomm is in for the big bucks and Framework wouldn’t take this kind of exclusivity deal

[@TednTin]

Upcoming AMD CPU will be lot more powerful and also bit more efficient than last gen AMD

[@helloukw]

@@TednTin Is it though? Linus said they are the same, but different, but still the same. AI is the only difference, mainly.

[@Bobur1777]

How's the battery life on linux for the snapdragon? Software/kernel level power management can make quite a big difference os to os.

[@abhishekchauhan7869]

Please do check it out in terms of Android studio and emulator being able to run on this

[@chowder-hf8xm]

Good video, though I would've loved to see Linux tested on these laptops. x86, especially Intel, has historically had great Linux compatibility ootb, but thanks to boards like the raspberry pi, arm has worked on Linux well for ages. You can even do some basic stuff through box86 and box64. Would love to see some Linux nerd representation on these laptops :)

[@commander3494]

Theres also FEX and i think a few more x86 emulators

[@Rigel_Z]

+1 Would love to just see if you can easily get linux running with audio/networking/webcam functioning out of the box.

[@tschorsch]

Arm CPU support is typically good on Linux, but ARM systems typically require proprietary firmware. X86 PCs were designed with much more open architecture. It will depend on the CPU and system designers to either create the firmware, or have it added to the kernel.

[@tschorsch]

@@Rigel_Z It would be nice, but the answer is almost certainly that it will not be easy. It depends on whether Qualcomm and Asus care enough.

[@gljames24]

​@@tschorsch But considering it's Qualcomm, it shouldn't be too dissimilar to their other chips which all run Linux kernels.

[@shalevhaham]

It honestly makes me concerned about gaming. I would LOVE to see a Mac Pro with an integrated GPU that works alongside the M chip. The same goes for any PC or Mac that's using an SoC. I'd rather sacrifice some battery for extra performance. But I know that some of these chips aren't designed with a graphics card in mind, they're kinda like all-in-ones, but could it theoretically be possible for them to support "real" GPUs? Also, the lack of upgradability makes me extremely worried about future-proof laptops. I think we're (kinda) screwed. (PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG)

[@alessandrolira4035]

I genuinely wish you're wrong about the upgradability aspect. But it seems like the future is buying product, then buying new product instead of upgrading your old one. I love how all these companies talk so much about the environment all while making some of the most perishable products to date. Apple is the worst in this regard. That 2023 Mac Pro, a waste of silicon and sooner rather than later to be the bane of landfills

[@LinusTechTips]

Theoretically a dGPU should be no problem. There are 8 PCIe Gen4 lanes that are currently unused on the chip, and they wouldn't just put those on there if there was no plan to use them in the future XD. As for upgradeability with any luck CAMM will catch on, but we'll see, it isn't looking great. -AC

[@shalevhaham]

@@LinusTechTips Thanks for the info!

[@s3rit661]

"It honestly makes me concerned about gaming", if you want to game to anything that's not Windows x86 you will always suffer of some forms of compatibility issues or small or big performance loss due to compatibility layers. It's the same thing for gaming on Linux. Microsoft doesn't want people to go away from Windows, and doesn't want to give away directx either, to be able to run games natively on ARM you would need a build compiled specific for ARM and gaming companies are not even interested on doing what they consider a porting. That's not an Apple move, Microsoft doesn't make Hardware, qualcomm does, the interest is from Qualcomm not Microsoft. Gaming is and will always be on Windows x86 like it has been in the last 20 years, Apple switched to ARM instantly, they forced other companies to rebuild the software for ARM bc the penalty would have been to not sell the software on millions of laptops, Microsoft isn't forcing anyone and does not have a monopoly on the hardware like Apple has either, so don't see ARM PCs as PCs where you can play, it will never be the case

[@H4GRlD]

I doubt that Windows will be as prominent in the future as it was in the past 20 years, but yeah it will take time to dethrone it. As soon as governments will realize the benefits of open source and FOSS will start to emerge in education it will be a downfall. I believe time is against them.

[@darinherrick9224]

I'll tell you this, the first thing you want to do for any laptop is turn off all "boost" in BIOS to triple your battery life and reduce heat by 2/3. I just started doing this to all the laptop deployed at my work. Processor usage was always at 100% and everything was constantly running hot, with fans failing everywhere. Then I discovered I could just turn off TurboBoost and DRASTICALYY reduce heat and power consumption, with no tangible different in everyday usage. You need TurboBoost if you are a pro gamer, 3D renderer, or video editor. Everyone else should turn it off.

[@6thGenFarmer]

Wonder how these will be for portable video editing rigs?

[@bartat404]

What about the touchscreen issue I've seen noted in some other videos. Performance seems to be *boosted* sometimes when simply touching the screen. Theorized to be something built into the chip architecture from mobile phones.

[@Hathos9]

That is less a CPU issue and more a firmware issue.

[@bartat404]

@@Hathos9 of course, but I was wondering how it might affected some of these performance numbers.

[@NeoTrantor]

I don’t know, it still looks like the amazing AMD 7840U chip that’s now over a year old is still amazing

[@incandescentwithrage]

Yeah the 7840U at 28w is getting higher performance per watt than the Snapdragon at 35w..

[@matthiasschuster9505]

Battery performance?

[@OrRaino]

​@@incandescentwithragekeep in mind, This is just the first gen cpu Qualcomm has launched for the Pc department compared to Various generation of Amd power efficient Cpus.

[@incandescentwithrage]

@@OrRaino Of course. I have no loyalty to any brand, but can you remember 1st gen Ryzen? It wasn't released being a little bit worse than Intel. My experience with ARM is it's great for high efficiency and low performance. You push the clocks and power envelope.. it's neither cheaper nor faster than x86. They succeed in the cloud space with a ridiculous high number of low performance cores per socket. That's their market. Efficient when slow, trailing edge spec but on modern process nodes.

[@yasyabahrululum9204]

​@@matthiasschuster9505in most amd mobile chips, the sweet spot is between 15-30 watt in cpu perf. as long as the vendor able to supply ~25 watt in battery, they will not suffer battery peformance,

[@Joncs]

Can you do a video on the best current laptop featuring the new ARM chips?

[@dezikun910]

I might try one they seem pretty cool and I do use co pilot often

[@shivamashtikar5738]

waiting to install linux in it

[@mukiex4413]

Lacking AVX2 is pretty rough. CPU features-wise, that’s like having a pre-Sandy Bridge i7. That’s well over a decade ago.

[@Workaholic42]

Note that the lacking AVX2 support applies only to *emulated* apps. Natively, NEON rocks.

[@CoreyKearney]

@@Workaholic42 So what does that mean? is NEON functionally equivalent to AVX2? If that's true, would that mean they just haven't implemented it in emulation yet? Can NEON run fast enough to handle AVX workloads with the added overhead of translation?

[@Workaholic42]

@@CoreyKearney that means that ARM processors also have SIMD instructions that are even more modern than AVX2 and work just fine (see also Apple M processors). It is certainly possible to emulate AVX2, but obviously difficult - only Microsoft knows the details 😉

[@Cooe.]

​@@Workaholic42NEON will never get widespread support like AVX. 🤷 Qualcomm simply doesn't have the "big iron" workstation & server chips to justify such software development on a large scale.

[@quantum5661]

i never thought i'd see a modern cpu get blown out of the water by my old 4790k

[@ChiefArug]

When doing comparisons like at 1:34 could you use a similar scene on both (ie both lava cave, or both outside forest)? Otherwise its hard for us to compare.

[@adityade897]

True af

[@Monkeysplaypingpongtoo]

It’s **so** cool to have renewed competition in the user PC processor space!!

[@orjanb4011]

That there are people at Microsoft who thought Recall was a good idea to begin with feels outright disturbing.

[@aj.j5833]

We are getting closer and closer to cyber dystopia.

[@ApolloniusOfTyana0]

Lol it was people at the NSA, not Microsoft. M$ just sold the idea

[@MadafakinRio]

It was a good idea, many people said they would use it (including Linus). And it's inevitable, sooner or later not just Windows but all other modern OSes will have it.

[@marschallblucher6197]

​@@MadafakinRioThe idea of a feature that brings back the stuff you did in the past on your computer is a good idea.... If it wasn't implemented in the most awful way possible. Other modern OSs would never adopt such a thing because the people who use those OSs care a lot more about their privacy.

[@MadafakinRio]

@@marschallblucher6197 it wasn't even that bad. People were overreacting as usual. It just should have been encrypted from the start (as they said it would) and it would have been fine. As for the other OSes, just you wait bro. I'm certain Google is already cooking something up for Android since AI is their whole thing now. And even apple jumped on the bandwagon, and a similar 3rd party app already exists on macos. You are heavily overestimating how much people care about privacy. If you do, that's great, but most don't that much. It's not as if the current OSes are ultra secure and private, yet everyone is using them.

[@vitalih776]

This is the comparison I've been waiting for! Thanks!

[@redtails]

even tested under standard conditions, I am wary of those battery tests if there's a 50W profile present lol. I've been burned so many times by Windows deciding that an important meeting / presentation is a great time to start updating itself and/or drivers, and it just burning through the battery life in an hour until a prompt shows up in the middle of the talk that the battery is low

[@mingdug1824]

For a laptop this is very exciting but what I'm more excited about is the potential to rival x86 handhelds such as the steam deck with not only a better form factor but also with a far better battery life but we'll have to wait and see how far they go with this x86 translation.

[@Sean-km7ht]

I’m hoping to start seeing these SoC’s on arm based windows mini pcs in a relatively short time, or mobile on desktop mini-itx boards for power efficient NAS and homelab setups.

[@Paradox-om6lm]

I want to see you guys switch for a month

[@TayschrennSedai]

10:26 that audio 😮😮😮😮 wooooooaaaaaaaaaaaa

[@Bayonet1809]

Where is your battery life test methodology? Why is it not linked in the video description?

[@SpaceJazz3K]

I assume they’re running chrome on the Mac’s which invalidates battery life results.

[@Ryan-093]

nobody on mac uses chrome?

[@DRMCC0Y]

@@Ryan-093the chrome port on macOS is absolutely terrible, and gives you about half the battery life of Safari.

[@Hathos9]

​@@DRMCC0YIssue is that Safari is not an option for most organizations.

[@DRMCC0Y]

@@Hathos9 That's fine, it's just the clarification that's needed.

[@thebuddercweeper]

They also had the windows laptops on power saving mode but likely didn't do the same on the Mac. I always recommend Safari to any Mac user, followed by Firefox if on Windows or Linux - never Chrome or any Chromium browser. I find it very hard to believe the MacBook only got 12 hours of very light usage when I get 10+ hours with an M1 Pro (drawing more power, with less efficiency cores) and only 83% battery health.

[@NeonVisual]

If the CPUs are that good and that efficient then put two of them in please.

[@mozzinator]

They might soon in Desktop and All in One PCs. this has been hinted by Qualcomm

[@starlight.productions]

Nice to see you here NeonVisual! big fan of your VFX work :)

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@mozzinator All in one PC? Sounds like a laptop. Or pre-build with free keyboard and monitor. Or one of these mini-boards with N-100/all other kinds of celeron.

[@Granolora]

​@@alexturnbackthearmy1907if what I remember is correct, an All in One is closer to a modern Mac, where everything is contained within the monitor.

[@ichijofestival2576]

😅Isn't that just the way. "This thing is more 50% more efficient." "Excellent! Now we can 200% more wasteful!"

[@CemKumral]

I'd love a look at the how desktop Linux is going to be integrated to these ARM chips. And also if there are any Framework models coming with them.

[@arnox4554]

Unfortunately, LTT is still treating Linux like a second class citizen even though it's 2024. MX Linux and Fedora could both be used to great effect for testing, but they just... Haven't. And yes, I understand that it's not an easy feat at all to move all their testing equipment and methodologies to Linux, but c'mon, Linus. At least try. Even just a surface-level compatibility test would do wonders.

[@thanos879]

12:34 those pet beds are actually pretty cool..

[@DarayaVahu]

Am I the only one that doesn't think the webcam looks better? Only + that it's higher resolution beside that it looks soo over processed, nearly cartoony, while intel one looks natural

[@Ebb1337]

Yep! The Qualcomm webcam looked a fair bit worse to my eyes!

[@arzsupra]

You should probably go in for an eye exam.

[@Unknown_Genius]

@@arzsupra You may want to spend less time on social media if you don't think it looks over processed and filtered to death.

[@jossueloubet7981]

Can we have a test against the M3 Pro? The camera looks fantastic.

[@Vinnitintin249]

Please do the 1 month tests! Would love to see if these can do a comparable job for the adobe suite compared to the Mac m series laptops!

[@HecTechFPV]

I just hope this brings bootcamp back to macs, If windows for Arm can make a HAL for the M series cpus that is.

[@thomashenderson3326]

If they were 800 bucks they’d be competitive in consumer. But the reality is that these are only going to be really bought by corporate buyers who are overpaying even with bulk discounts. Next gen might be better. I love efficiency as much as the next guy, but I am never away from an outlet and needing my computer for more than an hour or two tops, and I travel between continents regularly.

[@foldionepapyrus3441]

More gains to efficiency than just your maximum time away from a power source - electricity costs money too, so getting the same amount of work done for less, or for most folks idling at a lower power draw can be well worth it even if the machine costs a bit more - ask yourself how much that extra 10-20 Watt power consumption average will cost you over a couple of years the device can be expected to last. Also the models tested are clearly in the more premium thin and light product class that all cost at least in the ballpark of 2-3 times your budget no matter the CPU - when the bargain basement fantastic plastic cheapo laptop with one of these chips is produced then you can compare it to that price range of machine.

[@sprockkets]

​@@foldionepapyrus3441let's say on average you save 25 watt hours of energy a day. If used everyday, that's....18.25kwh in two years. You saved $2.56 in energy at 14 cents a kwh. I spend on avg $225 a month for energy, which includes an ev. That's not even a rounding error.

[@sprockkets]

Worst part is these are more expensive for no good reason - the soc is cheaper than Intel or amd.

[@AntonioNoack]

​@@foldionepapyrus3441 20W * 8h/day * 365days/year * 3years lifetime * $0.2/kWh * 1kW/1000W = $35 So actually, energy consumption doesn't matter much for laptops in terms of cost.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@foldionepapyrus3441 Pure coping. Electricity is cheap as dirt, if you would want to save on that - turn off your room fan/AC/stop using microwave first, they eat WAY more then 10-20 watts.

[@controlfreak1963]

Very cool. For my home computer, however, I'll stick with x86 for full compatibility. I wonder how VM Workstation would run on Arm?

[@oli_onion]

Will be interesting to see if they do a proper desktop release with CPU upgradability not just a tower with a soldered soc in it.

[@mdhossainyash505]

I was waiting for this thanks linussss

[@belzebub16]

Well, I'm not so hyped seeing that 5 of my current external devices are not supported on arm due to missing drivers, and the vendors are not willing to provide any.

[@MrPtheMan]

Well that's the magic of Windows Prism. It works like a charm just like Windows regular releases lmao. Joke aside, their is a big difference between Apple moving to Arm and Microsoft. Apple: it's obligatory or you're dead meat, banned for life. Microsoft: I know a lot of developers won't do the switch soon. Oh, jolly good! We can port everything for them! Time for magic Windows Prism sauce with cheerios and lucky charms 😎 The user: Ah fudge I trusted MS and ended up with a overhyped, overpriced laptop that runs like crap sometimes. Those uberexcited for Arm, Qualcomm. I don't see this compability issues be fixed, at least 5 years from now. It's pointless to pay high and have that machine be sometimes good other times mediocre. It's at least 1,200 us. It's just too expensive to be experimental with our hard-working money.

[@UNSCPILOT]

Hilariously, it would probably have a better chance running Linux on the same hardware, especially with the amount of open-source drivers increasing with Windows blunders driving people to Linux

[@belzebub16]

@@MrPtheMan I couldn't agree more, I currently have a Lenovo Yoga 7 with an AMD 6800U that cost me around 900€ and will outperform those Qualcom chips while still being 100% compatible with every soft- and hardware which leaves the increased battery life - which I personally fixed by having a USB-C PD 100W power bank in my backpack.

[@belzebub16]

@@UNSCPILOT I was also very excited about Linux support but Qualcomm has postponed that to a later date. Maybe the community can make it work now that the devices are out there. But for sure this would improve the driver situation, I also have a linux machine where even ancient analogue capture cards from the late 90s run without issues.

[@duser]

As long as i can get Linux on ARM to get to work on one of them, i am really looking forward to these.

[@slicer2938]

probably gonna be a bit later but hopefully not too long of a wait 👍

[@hyperpug2898]

Apparently Tuxedo announced ARM laptops. I really have high hopes for this.

[@somebodysomewhere8217]

Nope. The bootloader is locked.

[@commander3494]

Same! but according to another commentor, the firmware isnt in the kernel yet

[@commander3494]

@@somebodysomewhere8217 really??? please no..

[@Pwnde]

LTT labs new graphs style is very hard to easily grasp and quickly read, in comparison to the previous style

[@xidd1]

I'm a windows user, but the specific battery life feature about Mac isn't just the battery life, but the fact that it's almost the same when you close the lid, and open it after several hours. That ain't never gonna happen to windows.

[@senna476]

Hey, I've got the Galaxy Book 4 Edge 14, the one with the more powerful Snapdragon X elite. You can literally close the lid and open it the next day and it'll only have like 2 or 3% less battery. It's way better than any other Windows laptop I've ever had.

[@Pandoso01]

3:24 this graph should have included the watt/hour rated capacity of the battery of each laptop, not just the chip in it, that makes it so much more clear why it lasted that long, even for those with the same chip like the asus is rated for 75wh, and the m3 14' is 69wh, that could very much be the extra 2h showed in this graph lol, not just the chip, show me how much watts those chips use too, not just ok bigger battery lasted lounger "duh"

[@techzolute]

That doesn't matter. What matters is how long the laptop can last on battery power.

[@forrest225]

@@techzolutethe video is about chips, not specific laptops, so it would make more sense to directly compare power consumption.

[@LinusTechTips]

The HP Omnibook X has a 59Wh battery (this info was in the video) so it isn't just "bigger battery lasted longer". Besides battery life typically the display efficiency and BOIS tuning have just as much of an impact as the outright capacity. -AC

[@Pandoso01]

@@LinusTechTips nice you got my point the graph sounds even more impressive knowing the HP laptop at the top has the same size battery as the MacBook, thanks for the reply

[@7xPlayer]

@@LinusTechTips It should have been included nevertheless, it's a big enough factor that it should obviously be included in a chart.

[@mademedothis424]

I insist on my point that the laptops are whatever, but the killer app for this platform is the Surface Pro 11 tablet. It works like a tablet, with instant power on and off and great power management, but it is a Windows laptop. It's the promise of the Windows 2-in-1 fulfilled. I am disappointed it's not the centrepiece of more of these reviews, because Windows on a thin and light tablet with an all-day battery and an OLED screen is a game changer.

[@graog123]

it's dogshit. they are absolutely horrible for working on them, making them almost instantly uneconomical for repair. glue everywhere, lots of soldered chips. just bad.

[@janein4680]

⁠@@graog123have you seen jerryrigeverythings video on the SP11? I am by no means an expert but it looked quite reasonably built to be repaired, when keeping the formfactor in mind.

[@spdcrzy]

Hell no. The killer app for this platform is exactly the opposite of that: an ARM-based Framework gaming laptops that can finally keep up with Macs for battery life.

[@pghj100]

​@graog123 The sp11 scored an 8/10 for repairability from ifixit. The previous models you would have been correct though

[@Ignacio.Romero]

Bro thinks windows is a good os for tablets 💀

[@michaelhanson5773]

Where did that rainbow background come from? Actually looks nice on the dark theme...

[@redknight4]

i still would like to see some sbcs (single board computer) running the Snapdragon socs that are compatible with windows on arm full/embedded not just iot (good for thin client, office workloads, internet browsing stations, digital signage interface, kiosks, etc) and mini itx bords with a higher end gpu in place of the ai cores and original gpu core in a Snapdragon elite-x soc for gaming

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

A few other channels have gotten much different results than here. Specifically Just Josh found the Qualcomm chips underperforming both Intel and AMD when manufacturers put different chips in the same chassis. He didn’t have a Vivobook S15 so it’s conceivable that this specific model of laptop just does a better job with the chip. He had models with both the 78 and 80 SKU and found that there is no difference after normalizing power consumption.

[@envagyokzaz]

Glad to see you've finally painted that tank.

[@milutinke]

I wonder how performant X Elite would be if I were to compile Gentoo Linux with bare bones and LLVM, running DWM and X11.

[@DRMCC0Y]

Normally I wouldn’t comment about something like this, but your battery life results on the MacBooks don’t add up, were the devices not in low power mode like the windows devices were? As it’s not mentioned.

[@chickenmanfy]

Video on Framework RISC-V board when

[@No-mq5lw]

I hope you are ready for increasingly creative ways of calling something bad, because that's what your going to get.

[@jpross68]

I've got the lenovo 7x slim and i'm quite impressed. Battery life is good (so long as I don't try to play games [even old ones] or run Unreal Engine 5 for games development - they do run but the battery life drops through the floor). Watching youtube or netflix or editing docs in google docs then it's great. Currently on 72% with Pure Battery Analytics saying I've got 14 hours left.

[@darsh19961]

So Which settings were the battery tested on (50W or 35W)?

[@rickyz89]

great video and you often go into gaming and graphic professional programs....but never about audio use...how do this laptop go with music production or live mixing on emulation? these applications require external peripherals and could that create issues with ARM?

[@JLStudioCA]

10:21 That mic quality difference is game changing Can genuinely see some business people getting these just for better call quality + the better battery life Though I wonder if the modern standby issue still exists on these laptops...

[@cynicist8114]

Nope. I have one. The standby drain is like 1-3% per night, consistently. It's incredible for a Windows laptop.

[@foldionepapyrus3441]

Would have been nice to see these snapdragon's tested under Linux as well - as Linux has been supporting more varied CPU options very well for a long time and though I'd expect a bit more manual effort required by the user to really get the best out of it Linux can often do better on battery life and performance vs Windows (however windows tend to come with better out of the box experiences). But this is new 'weird' hardware...

[@lekalotte2825]

No linux.. no buy.

[@cynicist8114]

Linux support is not there yet. Need to wait for kernel 6.11, so give it a few months. The nice thing is that Qualcomm themselves are working on it, so when we do get support, it should be solid.

[@ToppyTree]

10:35 this way of showing which audio is playing is not particularly clear. May as well just use a little speaker icon

[@jubjub216]

I would like to see some data on how they perfom for photo and video editing with lightroom, photoshop and davinci reslove! Hopefully they have a couple M.2 slots for a nice travel laptop!

[@bradenfitzpatrick8352]

This is Apple’s fault for having confusing and overpriced options in their lineup but for the same $1999 you can get an M3 pro with 18GB of ram. It’s still not quite price comparable to the Qualcomm stuff but would be interesting to see how the different parts of the M3 lineup compare with Qualcomm

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

Well, of you count the 7-8 free major OS updates (as 7-8 purchased Windows is quite costly, for the same amount of new features), and how well the Macbook keep their price (the 4 years old Macbook M1 still $699, so you can sell about your 4 years old laptop for $600.. which is only $400 lower like the initial $999 purchased value..), so in a long term even the $1999 M3 Pro can be cheaper like the $1400 X Elite (which will lose about the 40% of it's price just in the first year, compared to the 4 years for M1, because once any of the manufacturers start to sell it with discojnted price, all others and even the used ones will lost a lot of their initial price, and they must lower their price too..)

[@lucassilvas1]

@@TamasKiss-yk4st Except you typically don't have to buy a new Windows license when (and if) they release a new version? People who bought Windows 7 Ultimate were able to upgrade all the way to Windows 10 (maybe 11, not sure), for "free"

[@jasonvors1922]

​@@lucassilvas1 That person also doesn't mention you essentially have to pay a subscription service to apple for updates every few months.

[@simplysaso]

This is false.. Apple updates have been free for a decade. Any of their subscriptions are not needed to use a Mac.

[@lucassilvas1]

@@jasonvors1922 Also, Windows licenses regularly sell for < $5 in the gray market if you're short on cash, and then there's always the seven seas

[@LazyBonesWorking24x7]

This looks like marketting fluff, lacks clarity and details. Things I want to see - 1) How does the x86 programs work, that doesn't have a native arm port take notepad++, sublime editor, Visual studio. Even eclipse IDE is not available on ARM AFAIK 2) How does the productivity tools like MS office work compared to the x64 counterparts 3) Does it support installing old xp era 32 bit applications natively? 4) Obviously managers and CXOs can switch to windows on arm, what are the challanges 5) A simple demo of installing some of the x86 / x64 applications on windows ARM edition seriously LTT, what gives? What's the point of just repeating marking talking points, it would hardly take 1 day to do few of these tests

[@jimkoutso2008]

I have personally tried Windows 11 on ARM64 (though on my phone (look up "windows on miatoll" if you dont believe me) not an X elite device) and any x86-64 app i threw in just worked, because of emulation (look up "how x86 emulation works on windows on arm" for info from MS). Office usage is the exact same as is on x86-64 because they have ARM64 releases. As for XP x86 apps, that also wont be a problem because again, x86-64 emulation.

[@somnambulist6636]

That's why he said the detailed video will come after 1 month of rigorous testing , do you guys even watch the video or just directly come to the comment box to whine away?

[@Djuntas]

so ask for a livestream where they demo this :)

[@youbangsun5606]

So I bit the bullet and got a SP11, it is alright I guess. most of the x86 programs "just work", occasionally there's an app saying unable to install, but it was very scarce, I think macrim was the only one. the x86 installation process is exactly the same as a normal PC, you wouldn't tell the difference unless go into task manager. programming is obviously case-by-case, but I expect most active platforms to catch up very soon. VS is native though. Sublime worked fine. some problems: WSA/android studio just crashes, not surprising given that development of WSA had stopped, but what a shame you can not run android apps natively on an arm processor that is built by qualcomm. ram usage pretty high, 12gb/16 during normal work load. some stability issues with third party SSDs, might be surface only

[@somnambulist6636]

@@youbangsun5606 do you experience lags or jitter due to high base ram usage ? Like multitasking or opening 4-5 chrome tabs etc?

[@immortalsofar5314]

In their original specs, Microsoft said that Windows ARM machines had to lock down the boot sector to prevent dual boots. Did they back down on that?

[@r.k.vignesh7832]

Wonder how these SD X chips perform in code compilation?

[@txma.]

How long do you think it'll be before there is a git-hub repository that removes copilot entirely

[@incandescentwithrage]

It's a 1 line command. Clue: It's an Appx package

[@thebuddercweeper]

It's called installing Linux.

[@txma.]

@@thebuddercweeper Until Photoshop runs natively on Linux AND includes all the driver support for it, I'm going to have to decline

[@thebuddercweeper]

@@txma. That's fair honestly. Linux has a lot of drawbacks for me compared to macOS, just not nearly as many as Windows - personally I'd rather use wine for apps like photoshop if I couldn't use macOS than suffer through using Windows. But to each their own.

[@SigmaMaleRyanGosling]

To clarify it's not a first generation product, it's more like a 4th or 5th. Before that one there were Snapdragon cx 3, 2 and 1 and Snapdragon 850, but they had very little volume. My location sells 2 models of cx gen 3.

[@hermitgreenn]

This. These reviews always curiously skip the Surface Pro X.

[@shsu2020]

Why is this relevant? The important thing here is that Snapdragon is actually equivalent at lower prices! Ofc it's not ready yet but it's obvious that future generations will be actual buying options... The same way we buy vfm Snapdragon android phones we will be able to buy Snapdragon Windows laptops. That's the highlight here!

[@cynicist8114]

No, remember it is a first generation Nuvia design.

[@jameslake7775]

@@shsu2020 Because there's a lot of cheerleading about how amazing Qualcomm is for nailing it in one, and how the rough edges can be forgiven because it's the first time they've done this and their second generation is going to be absolute fire now that they've got experience from having chips in the field, and how this proves that the extinction of x86 is immanent not just in the thin-and-light form factor but in gaming laptops/mobile workstations and potentially even desktops. The fact that it's actually a 4th generation product and still not ready yet paints a less exciting picture for Windows-on-ARM, where this isn't an Apple Silicon moment and is just another step on a long and difficult grind where the architectures will coexist for many, many years.

[@kostasplayz3129]

Holy smokes! The difference in audio record is immense!!

[@akipan]

How about audio editing? I'm very curious about programs like Reaper, Ableton etc.