The Truth about the MCI

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BonSwootch

BonSwootch

5 ай бұрын

In this FNaF theory & explanation, I solve the MCI, including answers to the who, what, where, when, why, and how of the greatest tragedy in Five Nights at Freddy's. In this FNaF explanation & theory, I provide evidence that disproves a common misconception regarding the lore of the MCI and I share what I believe really happened on the night of June 26th, 19---you'll have to watch the video to find out how I came to that conclusion :)
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@whatthewatthe
@whatthewatthe 5 ай бұрын
pin me when this gets 1 million views
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 5 ай бұрын
I’ll pin it now as a good luck charm ;)
@youtubeneedstochange4414
@youtubeneedstochange4414 4 ай бұрын
Congratulations on the 1 million views!
@pikminologueraisin2139
@pikminologueraisin2139 4 ай бұрын
well done on the million views! where is the second the channel?
@saber_the_sad
@saber_the_sad 3 ай бұрын
Congrats on the million views beforehand! It deserves way more than that ngl, but still!
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 3 ай бұрын
@@saber_the_sad Thank you! I’m glad you liked it :)
@greenamber9827
@greenamber9827 5 ай бұрын
The phrase cartoon mascot doesn't necessarily mean the costume depicted a character from a cartoon, it can be interpreted as a reporter's attempt to help the reader envision the stylized nature of the character the costume depicts.
@Miles-subtomeidiot
@Miles-subtomeidiot 4 ай бұрын
AMEN
@ThePurpleCatofChaos
@ThePurpleCatofChaos 4 ай бұрын
I felt like a costume my whole life... which is funny but really REALLY sad.
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
​@TheWiIIiamAftonhe could use fredbear costume to incriminate henry
@Tareq-asir_TAA
@Tareq-asir_TAA 4 ай бұрын
​@@Wizardjones69fnaf 6 fruity maze minigame:Left the chat
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
@@Tareq-asir_TAA its just show one child being lured, ONE
@cullbear55
@cullbear55 4 ай бұрын
The only thing I could argue against is what suit William wore. I feel like Fruity Maze explicitly showed us that he wore Spring Bonnie when MCI happened, but I also get that it might not be literal. Also, FNaF movie intro, but that could be discounted since it's a different universe after all.
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
William most likely IS NOT the suspect that was convinced by the police, it was henry, because afton most likely after susie death, used the henry costume to incriminate henry and not get caught
@mrlkafa1056
@mrlkafa1056 4 ай бұрын
@@Wizardjones69 ok but william puts cassidy in to the fredbear suit he cant wear it
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
@@mrlkafa1056 he take off the costume, silver eyes shows afton wearing fredbear and looks like micheal Brooks was stuffed into fredbear
@Forgottensnapdragon
@Forgottensnapdragon 4 ай бұрын
​@@Wizardjones69the books aren't canon
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
@@Forgottensnapdragon people forget this but canon and continuity are different for scott, canon for him means official media, fnaf vhs isnt canon, fangames (minus the fanverse) isnt canon, and why afton used the fredbear suit especially to lure micheal brooks
@frostyinc7929
@frostyinc7929 5 ай бұрын
I think this theory video is very good overall, but I would like to point out that in the 6th Fnaf game Freddy fazbear pizzaea simulator, clearly shows in the game fruity maze that William afton actually used the yellow Spring bonnie suit instead, Well I do think that he probably did used the yellow Fredbear suit at some point, I do not think that William used it during the missing Children's incident.
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
William could use the fredbear costume to incriminate
@duderudyy
@duderudyy 4 ай бұрын
whilst i'd love to agree with this theory as the story currently stands, i think ffps makes it apparent that springbonnie was the suit used in the mci. we're explicitly shown susie being taken away by springbonnie and the movie strengthens this with its opening visual
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
William could use the fredbear costume after that to incriminate henry, you know, fredbear is henry costume
@Yasin_Animates
@Yasin_Animates 3 ай бұрын
​@@Wizardjones69he could've used the fredbear suit for the second MCI(if there even is one)
@Sonicmid
@Sonicmid 5 ай бұрын
17:10 you forgot that Henry straight up says he doesn’t know how he did it “ he said some kind of trap I don’t know what it was” that’s his way of saying he doesn’t know about shadow Freddy‘s existence Also William using a Fredbear ruins spring trap entirely, because the irony of it was that William got killed by the suit he used to kill the children and died in the same room he also killed the children. the guides confirm shadow Freddy wanted to help the spirits. He led them there so they could be set free
@runin12
@runin12 5 ай бұрын
what guide? also that can be true, but shadow freddy could still be a suit william uses and not the literal one from fnaf 2, every time william destroyed an animatronic shadow freddy would just vanish, till the next one wakes up, it gets to the point where he is COMPLETELY gone even from williams death. Also if it wasnt just a suit then why is shadow freddy inactive during fnaf 3? there is literally no reason it shouldnt be active if it is indeed just agony roaming around/ possessed, heck the mci spirits dont even truly go away until fnaf 6 ofc.
@isabelortiz1230
@isabelortiz1230 5 ай бұрын
​@@runin12the ultimate guide
@runin12
@runin12 5 ай бұрын
@@isabelortiz1230 no one takes the ultimate guide seriously lol, it has multiple errors, too many to be considered a valuable source
@lalacele23170
@lalacele23170 5 ай бұрын
​@runin12 not entirely sure, been a while since i read them, but im pretty sure the original guide and first updated guide both said the same thing about shadow freddy trying to help the children
@nanuqo2006
@nanuqo2006 4 ай бұрын
The page from TUG which says the Shadows help the kids is from The Freddy Files. A direct rip. Hence it's not reliable
@delly2088
@delly2088 Ай бұрын
"The truth is still the truth, even if no one believes it" i don't think this is the best way to look at it. At the end of the day, we'll never really know for sure until we ask Scott himself, and who knows if he didn't just ret-con it on the spot or won't in the future. I just think this is an interesting alternative to the mainstream and can provide lots of fun theorising
@ender01o66
@ender01o66 4 ай бұрын
17:32 The problem with this is, Shadow Freddy and Purple Guy can appear simultaneously on-screen in the Follow Me minigames.
@erris5744
@erris5744 21 күн бұрын
That doesn't necessarily disprove the idea. A thing to take into consideration is that these are, at the end of the day, video games. There are certain things that you have to question the intentionality of. It is fully possible that Shadow Freddy and Purple Guy appearing on-screen at the same time is unintended entirely, because Purple Guy's appearance is triggered by you reaching a certain location and Shadow Freddy's disappearance is triggered by him reaching a certain location. If you reach the Purple Guy spot before Shadow Freddy reaches his spot, they both appear because there may be no safeguard in place to ensure it.
@ender01o66
@ender01o66 21 күн бұрын
@@erris5744 "That doesn't necessarily disprove the idea. A thing to take into consideration is that these are, at the end of the day, video games. There are certain things that you have to question the intentionality of. It is fully possible that Shadow Freddy and Purple Guy appearing on-screen at the same time is unintended entirely, because Purple Guy's appearance is triggered by you reaching a certain location and Shadow Freddy's disappearance is triggered by him reaching a certain location. If you reach the Purple Guy spot before Shadow Freddy reaches his spot, they both appear because there may be no safeguard in place to ensure it." Uhm... that's not how the minigame works... Purple Guy appears after two minutes, consistently, as long as you're not camping out in the Office area and halls. You can get him to come earlier by heading to the Safe Room. Shadow can appear at the same time as Purple Guy, but then, the game tells Shadow Freddy to teleport away a few moments after Purple Guy appears- This was intentionally coded in, as he doesn't ever do that otherwise. "Shadow Freddy's disappearance is triggered by him reaching a certain location." Do you mean "us" instead of "him" here?
@michaelbenitez539
@michaelbenitez539 5 ай бұрын
I personally think that the MCI took place way after Fredbear's closed, I think Freddy, Bonnie, Chica and Foxy were meant to be side characters at the Diner, but when the Bite of 83 happened, Henry wanted to get rid of the Fredbear name and so Freddy Fazbear was made the mascot and any further restaurants would be named after him
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 5 ай бұрын
In that case, why would they make Fredbear & Friends? Doesn’t that show deliberately link Fredbear to the new characters?
@michaelbenitez539
@michaelbenitez539 5 ай бұрын
@@bonswootch Fredbear And Friends was created to promote the Diner and the characters, maybe Spring Bonnie was as much of a focus as Fredbear, similar to how Williams was overshadowed by Henry, Freddy, Bonnie, Chica and Foxy were probably never meant to be the main characters of their own restaurant until FNAF 4 Child was killed, I think from 1983 to 1987, there were only two locations, FNAF 3's location where the MCI happened and FNAF 1's location, which was basically used as a small budget restaurant after 1987
@frozi1541
@frozi1541 5 ай бұрын
I really want to point out that the bite of 83 is probably in 87, in the source code of scott's site before fnaf 4 it said many times 87 and only once 83. I think the TV with the 83 is playing a cassete to indicate us how long the characters depicting it have existed. Debunking the theory that freddy was created to replace freadbear, becuase we can see them both in it.
@michaelbenitez539
@michaelbenitez539 5 ай бұрын
@@frozi1541 My theory is Freddy existed alongside Fredbear, but after the 83 Incident, Freddy would take over the role of lead character
@scooticrowlann7856
@scooticrowlann7856 4 ай бұрын
@@frozi1541 The current big evidence that indicates bite of '83, is the keypad in the secret room in FNAF:SL. The keypad turns on the monitors that display areas from FNAF4, and what number is the key? 1983. Does that mean the bite was in '83? Maybe, maybe not. It does definitely imply something of significance happened during that year, something of significance to the owner of the room, William Afton.
@TheUndeadVirus
@TheUndeadVirus 2 ай бұрын
I do want to point out that while the games never confirm when the first MCI takes place, both the books and the movie make it set in 1985. Into the Pit straight up confirms that Oswald (the main protagonist in that story) gets taken back to the week the MCI first happens, which is in 1985. And the movie tells us that the pizzeria has been closed for fifteen years, and given the movie takes place in the year 2000... it's simple math. I dunno about y'all, but given that we have two universes that share the 1985 MCI date, I think it's safe to say that the games follow suit. After all, Scott said that he would be using future releases (not limited to games) to point us in the right direction when uncovering past events. Not only that, but while I have no doubt that the initial spring-lock training tapes did take place in 1983, whose to say that the later tapes (Night 4 and onward) take place immediately after the spring-lock failure incident? Phone Dude only played us a handful of tape recordings he found, so it's possible that he would've played more of them for us, like the FNaF1 and 2 calls, had Fazbear's Fright not burned down.
@kkplushproductions
@kkplushproductions 2 күн бұрын
The MCI in the movie probably took place in 1987 or later. · Mike is 25 in the present (which takes place in 2000), and he was 12 when Garrett was kidnapped (13 years earlier). · The photo that Vanessa gives Mike has her with Garrett’s toy plane, standing with her father in a still-functioning Freddy’s. So Garrett’s already been kidnapped (and presumably killed), but the MCI hasn’t happened yet since Freddy’s is still open. · This next piece of evidence is not as strong, but it’s worth calling out. _The Living Tombstone’s_ _Five Nights at Freddy’s 1 Song’s_ lyrics go _”We’ve been all alone, stuck in our little zone since 1987.” The original meaning of the lyrics was to be a reference to the Bite of ‘87 (stuck in their little zone = no longer walking around during the day). But the Bite of ‘87 most likely doesn’t happen in the movie timeline, so it could be referring to the MCI kids being stuck in the suits.
@tarezofficial981
@tarezofficial981 4 ай бұрын
We literally see Suzie getting Kidnapped by Spirngbonny in Fnaf6. And if we believe UCN, she "Was the First" and "Has seen everything" then it would mean, that Willy A. Started killing with Springbonny, only to later switch to Golden Freddy for unknown reasons. This all hinges on the "Cartoon Character" description, but we must realize that Animatronics are not depictions of real Animals. They all look "Cartoon-ish". There is no need for them to actually feature in a Cartoon. And Despite that... Springbonny could just not be part of that specific episode, just like Mr. Crabs doesn't appear in every Spongebob episode. All in all, it is a Good theory, with some strong points, but the evidence is really not favorable. But I really liked how you presented it all. Nothing is wrong with asking questions about the Core elements and we might as well do it more often. That's a well-earned new subscriber for you!
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
The only reason for afton use the fredbear costume is to incriminate henry, what suspect was convinced in fnaf 1 news paper? Most likely William, or the they caught henry but because the lack of logic, they freed him
@user-fk3mt8ck3v
@user-fk3mt8ck3v 5 ай бұрын
Why did he even use SL's blueprints as evidence, but completely ignored Fruity Maze? Another thing. The "cartoon mascot" connection was something i've never seen no one bring up, so that's good. But... how can we be sure that it ACTUALLY means something? I really hate to say that, but, between FNAF 1 and 4, A LOT of things changed. Could "mascot costume" still mean "Fredbear", when FNAF 3 implies it was Springbonnie? What evidence do we give more importance, an old article that results a little bit more specific, or a newer source that is enough clear and unclear to come with another enswer? Besides, who says Springbonnie could not appear in Fredbear & Friends aswell? My interpretation for the cartoon is that it forshadows the Bite of '83: first Fredbear and Foxy, then Bonnie, then Chica, and Freddy. It is the exact same order as the bite.
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
He could use the fredbear costume to incriminate henry
@jaymeslanske1234
@jaymeslanske1234 2 ай бұрын
BlackFootFerret has used the "Cartoon Mascot" line quite a bit
@Xainos28
@Xainos28 5 ай бұрын
21:50 You were close on the MCI deaths. While Susie is first, the Help wanted 2 PQ secret to get the Bonnie mask lead to reveal the order of deaths is Chica, Foxy, Freddy, Bonnie, then Golden Freddy. There is also Ruin's Freddy's cutout revealing in the source code reveal to be from the 70's so it might have been open longer than 83 as backs up from fnaf 1 phone guy mentioning they were singing the same tune for 20 years.
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 5 ай бұрын
I saw that Princess Quest secret. I personally subscribe to the belief that it describes the order the souls were freed, as FuhNaff describes. Otherwise, I find it strange that Charlie is so late on the timeline. Just a thought. As for the Freddy cutout-that’s really interesting, I’ll have to look into that :)
@Xainos28
@Xainos28 4 ай бұрын
@@bonswootch Also when you talked about the give gifts and puppet didn't give one for Cassidy, I think at that point PQ2 answers it as Old Man Consequence giving pq a sword to fight back. If the princess is Cassidy, what if OMC gave him the power? It would explain why only Golden Freddy has the power to teleport anywhere and still be sentient unlike the others.
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
​@@Xainos28i think the order showed by pizza party from hw is: susie, jeremy, Gabriel, fritz and finally cassidy
@AbnormalVoid08.
@AbnormalVoid08. 4 ай бұрын
​@@bonswootchi don't think that really makes sense though. We know that Charlie was able to possess quicker because she was right next to robot.see possessed and "The others are like animals but i am very aware" the victims most likely only wandered around the Place until Charlie helped them possess the Suits/Reconnect to there bodies in the suits. That's the best explanation for everything
@LucasTF
@LucasTF 2 ай бұрын
The editing is very good. Fruity Maze's ending shows us Spring Bonnie was used to lure the MCI. Also, the MCI probably definitely happened in 1985, both the Silver Eyes and Fazbear's Frights show us 1985, and it is not a date that contradicst any estabilished facts, like 1987, and Scott literally told us to look for clues in the books before releasing them. Also, most likely no one got blamed for the MCI, since Help Wanted tells us "nothing ever was proved in a court of law", so William was not convicted nor did he frame anyone. Also also, if Shadow Freddy is an actual suit, where is the Fredbear suit if it is not with Spring Bonnie? There is other stuff I disagree with a lot, but these are the most important since they are confirmed.
@Cyperstudio
@Cyperstudio 3 ай бұрын
I honestly like the idea that spring Bonnie was actually a really dangerous suit to wear, and that golden freddy could’ve been the murder suit a few times
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 3 ай бұрын
Me too! It’s interesting that after Phone Guy tells employees not to wear the suits in response to a springlock failure at the sister location, that he essentially tells employees that he doesn’t care if they wear them, he just said not to because the company made him.
@mr.andrewpuppet9491
@mr.andrewpuppet9491 5 ай бұрын
Nice video😙 I liked you tried to explore more and see different perspective of what happen with the missing children accident(basically what , when , why and how) . It given me a crime analysis/solved/talk you see on KZbin and it was cool .
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! I try to look at everything as objective as possible :)
@scoutgolf5282
@scoutgolf5282 5 ай бұрын
Good video, very interesting, thinking about it, we did see in the fnaf 6 minigame the bonnie suit which is interesting, I wonder if maybe he used both? using bonnie first which causes him to be removed from the TV show, then causing both to get retired, then in 87 when phone guy mentions one was used he didnt know either because it was a long time or the spring bonnie was decommissioned, that would explain why they kept GF around for so long and how he could use it for killing like you said. its also weird as to why shadow bonnie is black but shadow Freddy is purple in that game. Excellent video cant wait for the next one
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
William could use the fredbear costume to incriminate henry
@MollyDollyy774
@MollyDollyy774 Ай бұрын
It's pretty Interesting to hear a Theory of what the whole story is about the MCI
@bonswootch
@bonswootch Ай бұрын
I’m glad you thought so :)
@SeaSphynx
@SeaSphynx 5 ай бұрын
Awesome video dude. This channel is poised to EXPLODE
@shadowsoulless6227
@shadowsoulless6227 3 ай бұрын
This channel DESERVES more views
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 3 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! Glad you liked the video :)
@technofurs
@technofurs 3 ай бұрын
In the novels, William used Fredbear to kidnap Michael brooks instead of using springbonnie. So there's a chance for this theory- exept SpringBonnie has been confirmed to be the suit used for the murders in FNaF 3,FFPS, the novels, fazear's fright, the Tales books and the upcoming ITP game
@thefnafstory
@thefnafstory Ай бұрын
In Pizzeria simulator the minigame fruity maze shows us that the only time we see Afton wearing the springBonnie suit is when he killed Susie and stuffed her into chica.
@Pygargue00fr
@Pygargue00fr 4 ай бұрын
In fnaf 2 there's a drawing of golden freddy luring kids. It's into the office. The Killer's suit was golden freddy at some point. Hence the existence of shadow freddy. The suit of the killer with the color associated with him. However in the minigames I had always believed that the 8bit shadow freddy was Afton. Another clue toward the fredbear costume being used is the fact that phoneguy specified twice that the animatronics stuff theirs victims into freddy Fasbear suits. Prehaps as an act of vengfull irony, killed inside the very weapon you killed your victims with. Now.... While The Silver eyes comfirmed that Afton used Fredbear, Scott later changed the story in a major way starting with Sister location. Wich means that now, the costume is and always had been spring bonnie. It cannot be Fredbear anymore. Or prehaps, he used Fredbear for the second incident where he took five more lives in fnaf 2. That's also possible and dosn't really contredics anything at all.
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
Or afton used some the Fredbear costume to incriminate henry, henry costume is Fredbear, so it can make sense
@Pygargue00fr
@Pygargue00fr 4 ай бұрын
@@Wizardjones69 This, I forgot to add this, as this clearly was his intention in The Silver eyes, tank you.
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
@@Pygargue00fr i think in silver eyes he uses fredbear costume because he suffered a springlock failure after his 4th murderer, so he used a cleaned suit (fredbear) and yes, he survived his first springlock failure
@Pygargue00fr
@Pygargue00fr 4 ай бұрын
@@Wizardjones69 prehaps? it was never explained, rather Charlie and John wondering if Henry had did it because of that suit.
@olivoilZ._
@olivoilZ._ 4 ай бұрын
GOOD THEORY damn this dude is hella underated
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 4 ай бұрын
Thank you! I’m glad you liked it :)
@PlexybloxYT
@PlexybloxYT 2 ай бұрын
We know it's springbonnie because of the FNAF movie 8-bit scene. It shows William putting on Springbonnie and committing the MCI.
@harddestroyer2003
@harddestroyer2003 5 ай бұрын
10/10 video. You need more recognition, im sure the hard work will pay off. The fun part about theorizing imo is debating with other people. However you made your theory so good, even if i want to argue i cant back my shi up 😂. Because of that i want to ask you 1 question. In the fnaf movie when Afton appears in the Springbonnie suit he makes a weird sound like "huuuuh" (the sound he makes before Mike zaps him). Can you explain this sound to me? Why did he made it and what it even means? I need to know the purpose of this sound!
@jaymeslanske1234
@jaymeslanske1234 2 ай бұрын
7:58, this is based on the Help Wanted coins saying "Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, since 1983"
@BamBam7861
@BamBam7861 4 ай бұрын
I really like what you’ve outlined here as far as the timeline of spring-lock suits being retired. People still debate when Sister Location occurs but it seems clear to me that it takes place between 1983-1987. If William Afton is using the Spring Bonnie costume during the day to lure children, and those suits are subsequently retired after the spring lock failure, he is no longer able to use them during normal operating hours. This would be all the motivation he needs to design new animatronics that will do the work for him, ie Baby.
@AFunkyPillow
@AFunkyPillow 4 ай бұрын
This is the best youtuber ever ngl. They deserves the world.
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 4 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! I’m glad you like the videos :D
@SoraxKage
@SoraxKage 4 ай бұрын
I think this works better as what the ORIGINAL intended story theory rather than as a current day theory since it's clear that William used Spring Bonnie with the current lore
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
This can work in the new lore yes, afton after susie's death, william uses fredbear costume to incriminate henry
@Narodle
@Narodle Ай бұрын
@@Wizardjones69 him using the fredbear suit to incriminate henry makes no sense because they never saw the fredbear suit on camera they only saw the springbonnie suit on the cam and him using the fredbear suit to kill the kids in the safe room would also makes no sense because there is no cameras in the safe room
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 Ай бұрын
@@Narodle its NEVER said in fnaf 1 a "yellow bunny costume", just that they see a cartoony mascot costume
@doopo_
@doopo_ Ай бұрын
My only question is how Spring Bonnie is the only suit we see in the safe room in the FNAF 3 minigames. If William is using the Fredbear suit to lure the animatronics there, shouldn't the Fredbear suit also be in there?
@ashdendavis6706
@ashdendavis6706 4 ай бұрын
(16:38 and forward) I think that the fact that nightmare and nightmare fredbear are so similar backs up the idea of William using the fredbear suit and that fredbear and shadow Freddy are the same or atleast different versions of the same suit
@starbonnie552
@starbonnie552 4 ай бұрын
What I find interesting about your order at the end is that it's the same order someone else got using the colored balloons in SB and the backstage during Pizza Party in HW. So I have a feeling it is the correct order if multiple people get that same conclusion through a method that are different but seem like they're giving the same outcome
@ProtonTheProtogen
@ProtonTheProtogen 3 ай бұрын
In the Silver Eyes book, it had shown Fredbear luring kids back, not Spring Bonnie
@vanyadolly
@vanyadolly 4 ай бұрын
It's an interesting theory, but a storage room with parts of springtrap suits doesn't necessarily mean that's when the suits were retired. When the springtrap suits were being used, they'd have a maintenance room. If there were adults present during the birthday party, they wouldn't have let the kids put CC in Freddy's mouth. Anyone could have been falsely accused of the first murders/disappearances, although I don't know how they got a conviction without any bodies. The Bunnie suit would also be recongizeable because whether it was on the TV show or not, since it was used in that diner. A cartoon refers to a style of art, not necessarily an animated cartoon. The report of 5 kids missing doesn't suggest that it would have happened in one night. That's extremely unlikely and unrealistic. On the contrary it says "five children are NOW linked to the incident", suggesting that the number has gone up over time. The puppet being the one who stuffed the MCIs is pretty solid as far as lore goes. I do think you're right that it could suggest Golden Freddie's possession was caused by William after he realized the other suits were possessed. It would explain why Cassidy's murder was especially violent, and why Golden Freddy has two souls in it, if he was trying to bring back his son. I really enjoyed the video, but it is a lot of guesswork. 😄 It still seems that the bonnie suit being moved is mentioned specifically to hint at that being the one used to lure the children, and that's why William is so sure climbing into it will help when the ghosts corner him. Of course he could have used Fredbear when he rounded up the possessed animatronics, because why would they follow the one that got them killed?
@Narodle
@Narodle Ай бұрын
fruity maze shows willam using the springbonnie suit to lure susie
@pikaland3852
@pikaland3852 3 ай бұрын
2:30 Oh yeah, My dad told me that back when he was a kid He'd ride his bike all over the south side of our hometown.
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 3 ай бұрын
Times have certainly changed
@Ozeglion
@Ozeglion 4 ай бұрын
3:10 The original Freddy’s and the FNaF 1 location are probably the same building. … …I forgot the evidence, but I remember being completely convinced about it by someone a while back
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 4 ай бұрын
I also made a pretty convincing argument in my History of Fazbear Entertainment and I Solved FNaF 3 theories :)
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
​@@bonswootchthats why fnaf 1 has a safe room, the same room where afton lures the mci
@LiamAproduction
@LiamAproduction 3 ай бұрын
I think for the first MCI he used a spring bonnie suit, but in the second one used a spare Fred bear suit that had black accessories
@brunoarnoni
@brunoarnoni 3 ай бұрын
The idea that Spring Bonnie wasn't used in the MCI is interesting, but I believe that the maze mini game from FNAF 6 contradicts this, as we can see them luring Susie, which is considered the first kid from that event. Also, I think that presuming that Spring Bonnie was concretely not a cartoon character, just from the TV in the FNAF 4 mini game, is a leap, considering that not every character needs to appear in every episode. Great video, though ❤
@brunoarnoni
@brunoarnoni 3 ай бұрын
This video made me consider that maybe what the Crying Child saw was a springlock failure, not Charlie's or Elizabeth's death. That would explain his fear of the animatronics and people inside them, but not the characters themselves. And maybe the "remember what you saw" line by William was used to keep him away from the springlock suits, either for protection or to keep his disguise. But that is just an idea that came to my mind.
@human_m5680
@human_m5680 5 ай бұрын
Couldn't springbonnie have been removed from the cartoon after the springlock failure
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 5 ай бұрын
That’s why I made sure that the springlock failure happened after Night 3, meaning that he couldn’t have been removed because the MCI hadn’t happened yet :)
@honeyybutter
@honeyybutter 5 ай бұрын
@@bonswootch It doesn't make any sense for spring bonnie to not be in the cartoon in the first place, and fruity maze has spring bonnie. still an interesting theory tho
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
​@@honeyybutterwillian could use the fredbear costume to incriminate henry
@emitsu_kitsu
@emitsu_kitsu 4 ай бұрын
wait omg this would also explain how the wound of Afton's crimes was first inflicted on Henry.
@foloan1209
@foloan1209 Ай бұрын
Look more closely at the suit on the floor when the crying child is locked in that storage room
@bonswootch
@bonswootch Ай бұрын
What about it?
@foloan1209
@foloan1209 Ай бұрын
@@bonswootch it kinda looks like there's hair coming out of it
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
i think in a narrative sense, the fredbear suit for william's murder makes more sense, he used THAT suit to incriminate henry in the process, but william favorite character still (spring) bonnie
@mi1key
@mi1key 3 ай бұрын
but 1. we literally see spring bonnie kill susie and it would make no sense for him to randomly switch the suit he used to kill them 2. the convict they chose was william, not henry being framed, the reason he wasn't set to jail wasn't because he was wearing spring bonnie so they couldn't see him inside it (even if he took off the suit, it would still be impossible since the cameras never show the safe room) 3. about the mci placement, the books literally state it being in 1985
@michaelbenitez539
@michaelbenitez539 5 ай бұрын
So, would FNAF 1's location be the one using the Springlocked Suits? It seems to be a rather old building due to the spiderwebs we see in the doorways and the ORIGINAL Freddy Fazbear's Pizza is FNAF 3's location?
@GrandPiano141
@GrandPiano141 5 ай бұрын
Good video👍
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 5 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@JRW22
@JRW22 4 ай бұрын
Also I’m no theorist but other theorists have said that Afton used the greenest suit too
@ToolTalkChannel
@ToolTalkChannel 5 ай бұрын
I appreciate your perspective, but there is just too much evidence that Willy A (what is the Appleton thing on tictok btw?lol)… I’m not all the way through and I’m keeping an open mind, but it really seems like William considers spring Bonnie is his suit/real body/skin… interesting stuff tho
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
He could use the fredbear costume to incriminate henry
@Tyulenin
@Tyulenin 4 ай бұрын
I rather like these oldschool videos. They seem straight from 2015, which I personally prefer. (modern FNaF smelly) The theory dangling on the semantics of "cartoon mascot" is still whack tho. Classic.
@av1um
@av1um 5 ай бұрын
Bro has made an literal netflix documentation... xD - Good work was fun to watch.
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 5 ай бұрын
:D Thank you! I’m glad you liked it :)
@av1um
@av1um 5 ай бұрын
@@bonswootch try to make more videos in these styles, I've been watching the others aswell but that one was so far one of the best. I bet you'll get more Attention :)
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 5 ай бұрын
@@av1um Thank you :) What exactly is the style you’re referring to? I’d love to be able to accommodate your preference :)
@av1um
@av1um 5 ай бұрын
@@bonswootch Not sure how to properly explain it. You know the List System as an example you went for in this video particularly, Where you work through the list in detail one by one and explain it properly, so basically everyone can understand what is going on inside your mind and think the same way as you do. In combination with these great edits you can gain my attention on listening to your videos. I honestly don't know much about this franchise and you just got recommended to me, but i think you, as a smaller KZbinr have great Potential when you continue on working like this. Wish you good luck and i hope you continue making this great content.
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 5 ай бұрын
@@av1um Thanks so much for the input! I will definitely use those tips :)
@justlisteningtofnafstuff-lv1jj
@justlisteningtofnafstuff-lv1jj 4 ай бұрын
Maybe the witness got confused? In the book, John just saw a gold mascott and couldn't remember if it was a bunny or a bear. If someone only saw something for a split second, It's an easy mistake to make.
@whatthewatthe
@whatthewatthe 5 ай бұрын
good video bro
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! :D I’m glad you liked it :)
@Max1mus179
@Max1mus179 3 ай бұрын
Although this theory is well made, it can't be true because of spring Bonnie being the one to take Susie in fruity maze
@josuawhite2209
@josuawhite2209 5 ай бұрын
My thoughts 4:16 it's not confirm at all. Atleast for the souls it can be mci or dci. 7:07 This can be any restaurant, and the support evidence pretty weak. Sister location can be any restaurant with springlock made by Henry and William, fazbear company. 9:15 (Assume) Appropriate location cant be saferoom because mci happen and lured into saferoom and we only see foxy with mci, nothing else. It also need some technican that know about springlock so probably some factory like Afton robotic. 9:28 It's just spare, and at last day it still being use anyway even not as suit, atleast it not retired, so probably springlock incident not around this time. 11:51 Just because Spring bonnie not in cartoon doesnt mean people cant call it cartoon mascot. And spring bonnie still bonnie, fredbear just different. 12:40 in book William get caught, but release after that because dont have enough evidence. This also reminded in HW "Nothing was ever proven in a court of law". 17:00 just no, idk how william can control shadowy creature to lure but saying its a suit and say it support he use fredbear in the past to deny phone guy bonnie suit moving just bad, no one can prove or disaprove that 17:47 FNAF1 reopen in future after fnaf 2 and baby pizza world. You can see it by comparing mini game in fnaf3 and fnaf1 condition in game. Tragedy many years ago is about mci in the long past. The fnaf1 gameplay start after fnaf1 already closed. The last part about possession stuff I cant say anything
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
William could use the fredbear costume to incriminate henry
@FazbearEntertainment414
@FazbearEntertainment414 3 ай бұрын
weren’t the unwithereds apart of fredbears family diner
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 3 ай бұрын
Probably not. Phone Guy says they’re from the previous location, and FNaF 3 tells us about a Freddy Fazbear’s Pizza that came before FNaF 2, which is where they most likely originated from.
@FazbearEntertainment414
@FazbearEntertainment414 3 ай бұрын
@@bonswootch then explain why golden freddy is with the withereds
@PanAceKitty10
@PanAceKitty10 15 күн бұрын
22:16 What about help wanted 2's vanny ending with the gravestones?
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 13 күн бұрын
I like FuhNaff’s theory that the gravestones represent the order of the spirits being freed, rather than the victims being k*lled :)
@PanAceKitty10
@PanAceKitty10 13 күн бұрын
@bonswootch I did hear that one decent theory. I was just curious as to what you thought about them.
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 13 күн бұрын
@@PanAceKitty10 The gravestones are definitely interesting clues. I just find Charlie’s placement in the order too far down for the list to be referencing the d*aths. What do you think?
@PanAceKitty10
@PanAceKitty10 13 күн бұрын
@bonswootch charlie, being that low for deaths, does not make sense, but as releases the gravestones make more sense
@JRW22
@JRW22 4 ай бұрын
It is possible that the suit was moved because he planned to scare the ghosts of the MCI away all along. think about it the spring locks must have already been wound up
@chaoraiser2338
@chaoraiser2338 4 ай бұрын
I like a lot of the stuff that was brung to the table here. Though two things i think doesn't make much sense is, William using the Fredbear suit. Since we know it was spring bonnie basically being confirmed by not just the books but also fnaf 6. also when it comes to the give gifts mini game, yes i don't believe the puppet stuffed the kids it makes no sense to me but what i do think is that golden Freddy was stuffed and then given life because i think the puppet would know if there was something up with golden freddy even if it took a little longer....also just to throw it in there i think the kids were basically stuck in some sort of limbo or like being frozen in time or something like as if they were stuck in a ice block in a way since we know at least chica at most did see everything so they just sit and stare until the puppet came by while they were in parts and service. That's just what i think though maybe before they were taken apart though since we know they weren't broken yet or at least had most of their fixed features
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
William can use fredbear costume in the mci to incriminate henry, Fredbear is henry costume, its said that a suspect was caught, most likely William, or they caught henry because some of the children from the mci has seeing lured by Fredbear
@chaoraiser2338
@chaoraiser2338 4 ай бұрын
@@Wizardjones69 yeah he can, but the problem with that is that it was already basically confirmed that it was spring Bonnie not Fredbear. The only way it probably could be Fredbear is for the dead child incident not the missing children's incident
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
@@chaoraiser2338 silver eyes shows micheal Brooks being lured by willian using the fredbear costume, and its just shown susie, jeremy and Gabriel, but fritz and cassidy not (not couting the movie)
@chaoraiser2338
@chaoraiser2338 4 ай бұрын
@@Wizardjones69 yeah, but in FNAF 6 it's shown Susie is being lures by a spring Bonnie suit.
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 4 ай бұрын
@@chaoraiser2338 and thats just susie bruh, its not said about fritz or cassidy
@SuprMikey64
@SuprMikey64 4 ай бұрын
19:40 ow...
@BamBam7861
@BamBam7861 4 ай бұрын
One thing about FNAF4 that is often overlooked in theories revolving around the timeline is the kid you talk to outside the restaurant who says something like, “I hear if they catch you, they’ll hide your body and nobody will ever see you again.” This would definitely imply that the MCIs were actively taking place or old rumors from a previous restaurant.
@YuutaTogashi0707
@YuutaTogashi0707 3 ай бұрын
12:38 fnaf 1 is 1992 actually You can use the paychecks from the first 2 games to figure that out everyone says 1993 because matpat said so and everyone went with it also i know about the fazfacts in AR but those were written by illumix employees that had no connection to scott
@Amogh0102
@Amogh0102 4 ай бұрын
1000th like 😄❤
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 4 ай бұрын
:D
@StormProductionsOfficial
@StormProductionsOfficial 5 ай бұрын
I want to watch this vid but i'm to sleepy -_-
@Brababoica
@Brababoica 4 ай бұрын
teach me how to edit like you PLEASE!
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 4 ай бұрын
:D I’m glad you like the style :)
@frozi1541
@frozi1541 5 ай бұрын
Aight, Im gonna say it because it seems no one remembers it: Before fnaf 4 got released, in the source code of Scott's site 87 was wirtten MANY times. But 83 was written just ONCE. Remember that Scott said that somehow none of us solved the fnaf 4 story, What I want to suggest is that we do witness the infamous bite of 87, the TV show is probably on a cassete and not of the current time. Mind you that both Fredbear and Freddy are on the same cartoon. What really happens in fnaf 2 is the second MCI I say the two events happened almost back to back. This lead me to belive that the reason why he is so scared is because somehow he witnessed it, be it on his own or trough the remains of Mangle in his home. That is why his party is on an older establishment, it was a last resrot to a place for a party. the two games happeneing almost at the same time can be proven because there are already toy animatronics toys. Based on what we know- the Save him minigame where the puppet meant to have originated had fredbear in it, so it might be possilbe that she is absent in fnaf 4 beacuse she was moved to the fnaf 2 location already.
@JackieGamerGirl
@JackieGamerGirl 5 ай бұрын
Except that Scott himself has confirmed that the FNAF 4 mini games happen in 1983. He said in his response to MatPat’s “final” FNAF theory (the one that came out before Pizzeria Sim released), that most of what Mat said in the theory was correct, specifically pointing out the “Wiiltrap vs Miketrap” debate and the “1983 vs 1987” debate. My guess as to why all the teaser images except the last one had 87 in the source code is because Scott originally planned for FNAF 4 to show the Bite of 87, but then changed his mind at the last minute, hence why the final teaser has 83 in the source code. Remember FNAF 4 was also supposed to be the final game, but Scott changed his mind on that.
@Neku628
@Neku628 5 ай бұрын
It's really not that surprising that something like the MCI would happen. There are plenty of real life cases of kids being abducted in public. I remember one case where some girl was lured and kidnapped by the abductor using her scooter. She left it behind accidentally, noticed it, went back for it and the abductor just pulled up in his truck and knabbed her right in front of her friend. And, video cameras from the 1980s were pretty hard to make out any details of any suspect. There is an unsolved case where a white boy with glasses was kidnapped from a casino that his parents were staying at. There was a suspect who was tried but later found innocent. The boy's glasses were found close by. It's a really fucked up case.
@Sparkling34
@Sparkling34 Ай бұрын
the fact that the withered animatronics are different animatronics than the classic animation is so dumb. Fnaf 2 being a prequel is a messy and unnecessary wrench thrown at the lore.
@gdeveloper3309
@gdeveloper3309 5 ай бұрын
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! MCI 83!!!! LETS GOOOOO!!!!!!! MSSF = NIGHT 4 OF FNAF 4 YEAHHHHHHH
@takido.-.
@takido.-. 5 ай бұрын
Tym my good sir
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 5 ай бұрын
:) I hope you liked it!
@Williamplays844
@Williamplays844 4 ай бұрын
19:40 what is that noise
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 4 ай бұрын
I’m not sure, I apologize for that. I think it was some kind of encoding error :/
@anonymousanon9647
@anonymousanon9647 5 ай бұрын
Feddy
@not-existent8376
@not-existent8376 5 ай бұрын
I BLev' dat Zprin'g-Bonnie did MCI 2 FReDBeAr did MCI 3
@KanderUdon
@KanderUdon 5 ай бұрын
MCI83 fr fr no glizzy
@kalkuttadrop6371
@kalkuttadrop6371 7 күн бұрын
You wanna hear my cool fnaf 1 theory?
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 6 күн бұрын
Yes :)
@kalkuttadrop6371
@kalkuttadrop6371 5 күн бұрын
@@bonswootch MASTER POST A I've been pushing a theory for a couple years that helps FNAF 1 fit back into the time line snuggly and cures it's early installment weirdness. There's two halves, the part I'm certain about and the more iffy stretch part. Let me set the stage with a fact. FNAF 1's location is the ONLY time in the whole series where Guards being murdered at night by animatronics was a regular occurrence. It's easy to forget that as it was the first game in the series, but it's true. FNAF 2's location only ever had 3 guards. The first guy was William and he got out after a Week. Second guy was Jeremy who survived the Nightshift(but probably got his frontal lobe nibbled off on the following Dayshift), and the Third Guy was Fritz who is probably Micheal. There's also some notable revelations here I'll get back to in a minute. FNAF 3, one guard, probably Micheal(though some fringe theorists think it's Henry), they live. FNAF 4, no guards. FNAF SL...this one is actually kind of hard to say, FNAF 6, one guard, Micheal, dies but not because of animatronics. FNAF 2 also establishes via Phone Guy that this is the first time this sort of thing has ever happened. Guard 1's reports were thought of as impossible and it's only during Jeremy's week they start to figure out a theory(the bare endoskeleton thing) and offer up some solutions. This tells us the original location that was open for a bit after the murders either didn't have nightguards(makes sense enough, no big crime, no need) or the Puppet hadn't gotten to them yet. It also tells us Guard fatalities are something they're actively trying to avoid. But in FNAF 1? There's a whole procedure for it. Body removed, property cleaned and bleached, carpets replaced, missing person report within 90 days. A institutional solution for it combined with Phone Guy's "Most people don't last this long" implies MANY guards at this location have come and perished before Micheal arrives in 92/93(doesn't matter, but TLDR 93 has never been proven. Matpat picked it because of the Aurora Chuck E Cheese incident, the tax data said it could be anywhere from 1991-1996, and the Faz Fact that referenced it was cut and might not be canon. But that would have the work week go from Tuesday to Monday which is stupid. Meanwhile in 1992 the November dates line up perfectly with the work week. Minor detail, worth mentioning though). This means that not only have a ton of guards died, but there's a procedure for it, meaning the company is both aware and doesn't care. But why? This isn't hugely profitable 2030s Fazbear entertainment sweeping a few missing kids and staff under the rug, this is 1990s floundering Fazbear. Why waste so much many dealing with dozens of dead guards...unless...gathering dead guards is the goal. Let me ask another question. Who is running the show in the 1990s? Henry is out the timeline from the mid 80s until right before FNAF 6, maybe he's hiding in guilt, heck, I personally buy the theory he was framed(explaining the newspaper clipping saying the suspect was convicted) and spent a couple decades in jail, starting on the FNAF 6 project right after getting out. But even if he was here, Henry would never allow any of this to happen. And I already explained above why the faceless corporate overlord types, or even Miss Afton if you wanna bring that up, wouldn't do this. The profit motive isn't there. The location is a crumbling mess and the cleanup procedure is massive and expensive. That only leaves our boy William Afton, who is alive at this point, was free as recently as 1987, and we have zero evidence he was charged for the DCI/SAVE THEM incident. William Afton was running the FNAF 1 location and funding the cleanups of stuffed, dead, guards. But why? Well, for years the fandom has talked of William doing remnant experiments, soul experiments, maybe even agony experiments. That's how we get the theory the original 5 souls may have ended up in Funtime Freddy and Ballora and eventually in Molten Freddy and The Blob. But would William really have stuck to the same handful of souls, especially as he seemingly didn't want to mess with his daughter? Why not get a larger sample size, recreate the suffering? But kids are too risky to go after, he's done that twice and gotten away by the skin of his teeth. People care about kids, but what about poor working class blokes? Transients? People no one would notice if they suddenly were to vanish. I'm of the belief the FNAF 1 location, Bear themed restaurant and all, is a honey pot. It's a trap. It would certainly explain things like the door design and power supply. Transients, Desperate people, poor workers down on their luck, read a newspaper ad, dead in a few days, stuffed and ready for testing. This theory predates the Movie, but the Movie absolutely backs it up with him encouraging people to take the job. The location may have closed in 92/93, but the FNAF 2 ending and Phone Guy lines suggest it may have opened up far sooner than that, within a year of the FNAF 2 location closing. Dozens of men could have died there before the place finally closed at 'years end' a few weeks after Micheals run. And seemingly it didn't work. Maybe because the suffering wasn't enough. Maybe these men lacked the hope to hold on that the kids did, drained by a terrible life prior. Or maybe it's simply because The Puppet had cottoned on and wasn't going to help bring anyone back. Not anymore.(We know they were at the FNAF 1 location, both from the timeline and the FNAF 2 cutscenes, yet we never see them. Curious). So eventually as the place shut down William decided to take a closer look at the originals. Break them up, study their bits, perhaps reuse them. What made them special? And it would explain why that original remnant kept being re-used, the circumstances were specific and it was so hard to get more. They were no longer needed as unintentional killers. And Sister Location? Which most people place next to FNAF 1 in the timeline(either before or after depends). While it's not as blatant, it's the only other location with HINTS of prior guard fatalities. Plus the two technitions. Curious then this is the one place we know was fully a William operation. That's the main theory. All above. FNAF 1 location is a trap to lure in guards to get stuffed and use for remnant experiments. It didn't work, so William eventually scrapped the animatronics to study directly after it closed. Ok, here's the bit of a stretch part. Phone Guy. The eternal enigma. Leading candidate to be the Purple Guy for over a year. We know he was innocent, and in hindsight it was kind of obvious from the start(The FNAF 2 phonecalls very clearly tell us it's the Dayshift Guard/Former Nightguars, and they aren't the same person as Phone Guy. Heck they trick Phone Guy). But he's definitely sketchy. He helps hide what's going on in the FNAF 2 location, covers up Springsuit fatalities, organizes the saferooms being sealed, and knows very well what's happening to all the guards at the FNAF 1 location. He's not a killer, but he is a diehard company loyalist who has been complicit in and helped cover up numerous crimes. Bit of a toadie. And we also have evidence William has blackmailed and threatened people more than once. He got the Funtime Designs past those execs who knew what they were for. SOMEONE was arrested in the 80s for the MCI and it clearly wasn't him. (Henry is the prime theory as it explains a bunch of other things, but back in the day a popular option was 'the guy in the foxy costume from Foxy Go Go' or 'One of the other bullies from Fnaf 4). This coo-coo banana pants theory is that Phone Guy was essentially strong-armed into being William's igor and right hand man in running the FNAF 1 location, handling the logistics of the new hires and managing the clean ups. Phone Guy is a toadie to start with(as shown above) and William could easily threaten to either frame him for the DCI/Save Them, or just leak all the audio of Phone Guy covering up various deaths on behalf of Fazbear over the years(probably edited to relieve William of any blame). The tapes were in the same room as Springbonnie, he has access to them. That would explain why Phone Guy, while not being THE killer, is clearly involved in so much nasty business. Toadie to William to the end, especially when being credibly threatened. It would also explain why in FNAF 1, despite towing the line and never fully telling you to 'leave and never come back' or something sensible like that, he does TRY to give subtle hints to either help you out or warn out without crossing the line. His previous deeds were very impersonal and detatched, he was the middleman, not the cause. Now he's directly involved like never before, he can't write off the blame in his mind anymore, "only following orders" is a lot harder when you're there in person and leading people to their deaths directly. (BTW, great title for a Phone Guy theory video. Only Following Orders). So he's trying desperately to get some warnings out in-between dismissing them and legal jargon and lying to you about the cause of the malfunction. This would also explain his fate. While Phone Guy had nominally been a guard since the place opened(as indicated by his FNAF 2 dialogue), it was obviously more of a training role, head guard, served only on paper in a lot of ways. He wasn't doing it weekly for all those years. But I'm guessing his disobediance and evidence of trying to sneak out warnings eventually came to Williams attention. Which combined with the fact all the Stuffed Guards were not working out in the experiments and William was probably getting angry...he sent Phone Guy to do things in person, and ensured he'd never come back.
@kalkuttadrop6371
@kalkuttadrop6371 5 күн бұрын
@@bonswootch MASTER POST B One thing I didn't mention. Phone Guy has a single line of dialogue never featured in any game. From the opening of the FNAF 2 trailer. "Well if you're hearing this then, chances are you've made a very poor career choice." Almost like it was never allowed out. Maybe this was what William found that finally broke the camels back? How exactly did Phone Guy know he was on his last week? Did someone tell him? Perhaps he didn't fully comprehend what was meant by...last week. And then on November 4th 199X(2 or 3, as I've said, most people say 3, but the evidence says it's 2 and 3 was due to a misunderstanding Matpat caused) he dies, seemingly to Chica based on the audio clues. Heck if you really want to get crazy you could say Phone Guy's death is what finally prompted the place to close 'by years end'(so right before the X-Mas holidays in either December 92 or 93), as without him William couldn't manage the logistics anymore, thus he resorted to utterly destroying the originals for further testing until he eventually got himself into a position to be killed(whenever that was, probably 1994ish). (Also on the date thing, look at FNAF 2. The location opens on October 31st 1987, Halloween, very fitting. The first night shift is 12AM - 6AM November 1st 1987. William does STM/DCI sometime that week and goes to day shift after the 7th. Jeremy takes the job on the 8th, gets his first check on the 12th, and gets his overtime on...Friday the 13th. (lightning strikes). Fritz(maybe Micheal) does the AM shift on the 14th and Jeremy is bit later that day. Scott loves to throw in Friday the 13ths and Halloween spoopy days, so FNAF 1 in 1992 fits the trend. Maybe that's also why Micheal showed up then and specifically then. William probably would have told Phone Guy to on no uncertain terms keep out any weird smelly guys who looked remotely like his son(especially if this is after the events of Sister Location which I think is the common idea now.), but in the chaos with him gone he could easily slip through the cracks. There aren't a lot of people both morally dubious enough to do this and that William has enough dirt on to keep loyal, really just Micheal who's already gone rogue at this point. Plus it fits tonally. It's another example of William's poor choices ruining his plans, he killed one of the only two people he could realistically control because they were getting uncomfortable at the mass murder. Plus Phone Guy's punishment is fitting. A painful death, but not full blown fires of hell like Willy got. Just to clarify, this ISN'T one of those theories that says "Phone Guy Was Purple Man originally and it got retconned". What I am saying is it's a fact Phone Guy is not an innocent bystander. He knows things no normal person would know...not without calling the police. He knows about what's been happening to the guards in FNAF 1. He knows exactly how it looks when a guard is stuffed into the suit. DOWN to the eye-balls and death popping up the mask, he's seen it in person. And he knows well what's happened to those who came before. "Most people don't last this long. I mean uh...they usually move on to other things by now. I'm not implying they died." There have been many before Micheal got there. With the 90 day rule probably at least 4 a year for however long the place was open, so at least a dozen dead guards if not potentially up to double that. As well as leading the springsuit coverups in the 3 tapes. Phone Guy knew of fatalitys and accidents and was underplaying the risks and instructing people to basically hide their own bodies before they died. Then afterwards he lead a massive seal up campaign to hide evidence. He's not the killer, and he's not evil, he does try to help out without stepping out of line in FNAF 1, and he's mostly pretty chill in FNAF 2. But innocent of being the killer does not mean innocent, period. Too many people forget that. There are flaws and stretches(the whole phone guy side of things). The two most common complaints I've heard are "William never ran the FNAF 1 location" and "Henry was never framed." The latter isn't really important to the main theory other than helping eliminate Henry as an owner(and there are other ways to do that), and even in the crazier Phone Guy sub-theory still works fine as long as SOMEONE had been framed in the past(which 100% happened, someone was convicted for the MCI) and even WITHOUT ANY FRAMING, it still probably works because we know for 100% William had access to incriminating tapes. They were in the safe room next to Springbonnie. The former is...well I do sort of get the sentiment, we know William seemingly wasn't super involved in the FNAF 2 location at least directly. But I have to ask, ok, who is running it then? Who else has a motive to allow this sort of mass guard death to occur? Henry sure doesn't, Micheal doesn't, and a faceless corporate entity without morals ala the ones running the Pizzaplex would see the income-spending graph and just torch the building for the insurance. You cover up deaths when you have a successful thriving operation, you don't spend thousands doing it on a failing crumbling restaurant that's dumb. No one else makes sense, BUT William. And experiments are the best motive given, AT THE LATEST, he learned about what was going on with the animatronics in 87 after Save Them and his Nightshift work, and possibly earlier. He absolutely was working on this stuff by the early 90s. And the movie thing backs it up, parallels between things in this franchise date back to the novels. The theory predates the movie, my version predates the movie by a good year(and it's based on older versions by people like BlackFootFerret, though his was a lot more crazy and tied to his other crazy theories...that guy's theories are nuts, but he had a weird trend of getting specific details right WAY ahead of time. He predicted mad science and soul harvesting and the company being run by a duo all the way back in FNAF 3, and predicted both souls being split into multiple suits and two souls sharing a suit right after FNAF 4. He also predicted Afton chasing immortality around this time.). Afton in the movie IS baiting people into taking the job for his own purposes with the goal of getting them killed. Sure in the movie it's for a more simplistic goal of 'more murder', but in the games his goals are more complex so the game equivalent would be more complex. And in the movie he fills both the role of himself and Phone Guy in the games, so a game equivalent would likely involve both of them. I should also note that Circus Baby's Pizza World(which was...probably opened for one day in the mid 80s? Could have also been right after FNAF 2 i guess) was itself specifically a gigantic trap that would have automated kid killing on a mass scale. Ballora was to distract the parents, Funtime Foxy could mimic voices of parents to lure and separate kids, and both Baby and Freddy were big enough to capture kids. We already know Willy was looking for remnant. But it didn't work, his own daughter died, and the whole thing ended up being more of a fiasco then intended requiring the gas leak coverup. Maybe this was after the STM/DCI or maybe that was a desperate attempt to get more resources after the Circus Baby Disaster. Regardless, it's proof Willy was both... 1. Running operations even after the MCI. 2. Willing to make whole businesses as giant traps. 3. Was on the hunt for remnant and agony around this time (The secret cupcake room in Chica's Party in FNAF 3 also suggests the souls killed in 87 weren't able to be freed. Perhaps they were used up and that's why half of them are missing from 3). And he clearly learned killing kids caused a lot of bad press. Sure, maybe he could occasionally snag one from the rental op, but it would be way harder to pass the buck or deny blame then it would be at a crowded restaurant (I think the rental service was legitimately becoming a money source at some point because we know they were being sent out as late as early SL). . But adults? Transients? People without families? Looking for a job in the back of newspaper tier desperate? Oh yes that'll do. And sure, these robots aren't purpose built murder machines, but it'll do, they'll still stuff em and those schmucks don't stand a chance. He'll just need someone to help run things given that stuffings are a bit...messy, and the hires will have to be checked over. Also, William being let go due to lack of evidence is a book thing. The games explicitly say 'convicted'. That one word means charged successfully in a court of law. So either this is the one retconn(which means you can't use that excuse for any other elements of my theory) or SOMEONE was framed. And Henry is MIA for decades...(not to mention even in the books several people privately suspected him and it contributed to his end). So he's held power after MCI, he's worked at Fazbear's after MCI, and he's built a purpose built death trap once before. Oh and William knows firsthand the old animatronics attack people dressed like guards. He was there in FNAF 2. In fact he was THE first person to get this info. So why not take advantage of that and bring in some people nobody would miss. Plus there's the fact FNAF 1 and 2 are the only games with GAME OVER screens that actually show something, in both cases being Stuffed. However, note that FNAF 1's scene is from the camera perspective, and the room is well lit(so it's morning and someone else is looking at us), FNAF 2's is from the dying victims POV with the red tint. The two games where guard stuffing is a risk. (Oh and Sister Location, Unused Game over screen with Baby similar to the FNAF 2 one. Funny that). There's a huge gap in William's activitys between STM/DCI(Save Them Massacre/Dead Children Incident) and Follow Me of over 5 years, and this theory fill that in VERY nicely.
@kalkuttadrop6371
@kalkuttadrop6371 5 күн бұрын
@@bonswootch feel free to use it for a video. I just want to get it out there. That and my notes are cluttered and out of order and sometimes redundant
@ThePurpleCatofChaos
@ThePurpleCatofChaos 4 ай бұрын
It was HIM. Or was it me? 😔
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 4 ай бұрын
I hope it wasn’t you xD
@tinytonk128
@tinytonk128 5 ай бұрын
I am the 500th like! yippee!
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 5 ай бұрын
:D Thank you!
@TamboBacker
@TamboBacker 4 ай бұрын
Bru what
@chieokure_
@chieokure_ 4 ай бұрын
nice theory, except its not true lol
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 4 ай бұрын
Perhaps some of it isn’t true, but I shared it because I find it all interesting and substantial. I’m glad you liked it :)
@carriecrackrock1221
@carriecrackrock1221 4 ай бұрын
You should define mci at the beginning of the video because I still have no clue what the fuck you're talking about
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 4 ай бұрын
That’s what the first part of the video is, starting at 0:40. If there is still confusion, I’d be happy to clear it up :)
@erikawithaknotac
@erikawithaknotac 4 ай бұрын
I think it’s unfair to quote Vanessa saying that William is “just a cruel, bad man” and not read between the lines, someone made a very compelling post discussing how William’s motive across all FNaF media is the same - he wants something he can love. Take quotes from TSE like “I wanted to love, and now I have loved” (iirc), only after he forced the children’s spirits to haunt the animatronics. This seems to be similar in the movie, with him seeing the animatronics as some sort of twisted family. In both, he already had a daughter, but seemed unfulfilled still. In the movie, William does care about Vanessa, but is willing to do away with her as soon as she steps out of line, same with the animatronics. Once the animatronics step out of line, he becomes angry, calling them nasty and spoiled. You aren’t wrong to say the movie isn’t perfect, but I think disregarding it right out of the gate is not the correct path either. It’s not intended to be literal, it’s supposed to give parallels to the source material to give a better understanding of it.
@bonswootch
@bonswootch 4 ай бұрын
I just find it funny that the movie doesn’t really explain his motive other than saying he’s just a “bad man”. This movie was primarily intended for fans of the franchise, but I imagine that general audiences are going to be very confused as to why he kidnaps Garrett and k*lls the other 5 victims. Of course we know a bit about William already, but this is in a new continuity where we sort of need to be retold the story, and in this case, all we know is that he’s a bad man.
@erikawithaknotac
@erikawithaknotac 4 ай бұрын
@@bonswootch that’s fair, I think they’re leaving it for the sequel to explain better
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