THE TRUTH - Jari Sets The Record Straight

THE TRUTH - Jari Sets The Record Straight. WINTERSUN ALBUMS MASTER FILES, ISOLATED TRACKS, INSTRUMENTALS, REMASTERS: wintersun.bandcamp.com
What happened with the crowdfunding in 2017? What happened to the money and the Wintersun Headquarters studio? You will discover the truth and gain complete understanding by watching this video. Jari is here to set the record straight with the facts. Please share this video with anyone who may have any questions in the future.
00:00 Intro
00:32 Crowdfunding in 2017
02:57 How much money did we get?
03:36 Where did the money go? Where is the studio?
05:14 Investment or buying a product?
07:20 Outro
07:37 Pre-orders for the TIME PACKAGE with TIME II will start on Indiegogo on March 1st
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[@RedOkamiDev]

Dear Jari... please communicate like this more often... clear, direct and honestly. We love your craft and it pains every time I see trolls talk shit about your craft or your persona. Looking forward to get my Time II Package!! do some touring in Finland!!

[@rytkosenjussi]

Ovat livenä v***n kovia!!

[@Agnes135]

People would've been so much more understanding if you just made update videos like this Jari

[@Lleanlleawrg]

Eh, look over at the game development of Star Citizen - hasn't helped there. They've been developing their games for a very long time, and give weekly status updates, have a huge roadmap showing exactly where they are and where they're going, and ETA's. A board that shows updated estimates, what's been done early, what's been done on time and what's lagging behind. Chris Roberts is still broadly seen as an incompetent grifter, even though at this point, Star Citizen has more content you can go play than certain other games that are considered finished. Not to say the two situations are comparing apples to apples - Star Citizen really is a crowdfunded project, and it suffers from several management issues I don't really think apply here, at least to the same extent. But the point that certain people are going to stir shit and mischaracterize what's going on is pretty constant I'd say.

[@bast_shreds]

@@Lleanlleawrg in the end what matters is the final product, but i think if Jari was more active it would be much better for everyone

[@minnaraiha2979]

@@Lleanlleawrg setting goals n standarts too high, lying to people who pay Ur salary and releasing albums about a decade late. Good management?

[@Serbertim]

so ture

[@Lleanlleawrg]

​@@minnaraiha2979 "setting goals n standarts too high, lying to people who pay Ur salary and releasing albums about a decade late. Good management?" It seems watching the video didn't seem to clear things up for you. - He decides his own standards and goals, yes. We all decide that for ourselves. We can discuss whether the standards are realistic and healthy, but ultimately it's up to him what they are. - "Lying to people who pay his salary" That's just a fundamental misunderstanding of things. We are Wintersun's customers - not their employer. I'm not convinced Jari is salaried either, as he says his income streams are mainly tours, record sales, some ad revenue and merch. But that's the money Wintersun makes. His personal income may be a salary he takes/gets from Wintersun, but even if it is, we are not the ones who pay his salary - Wintersun is - with money we exchanged for a product. Now, as for whether he lied or not, I don't think he has lied. What are you saying he lied about? I'd like you to elaborate, but do provide sources, so I can be sure it's something he said and not something you read in a youtube comment that some guy heard in a dream. - Releasing albums about a decade late: Late compared to what? Compared to his original estimates? Sure, he did that. I would have liked to have it sooner, but I don't think he gave me a deadline and said it will be done by that date. Even if he did, I personally don't care, but if you do, then that's fine, you can care all you want. - Is it good management? Well no. I don't claim he is a good manager. I think he's an amazing songwriter, guitarist and a very good singer. I don't buy the albums for how well they're managed. I buy them because I like the music, and yes it took a really long time for part 2 to be released after the first part. I don't know that I care very much, because I haven't paid him anything without getting what I paid for.

[@JoshuaLenerville]

This, to me, just shows that people believe what they want to hear. I participated in the 2017 campaign, and I knew exactly what the plan was and that there were going to be other campaigns. You made that point clearly in the videos you uploaded before and during the 2017 campaign. Also, just to make sure people know this, for the 2017 campaign, you did not receive just The Forest Seasons album. I also received a remastered debut album, remastered Time I, isolated tracks for Time I, Live in Tuska album , a gorgeous photo album, and finally The Forest Seasons. I just want to make sure that people understand what people from the 2017 campaign received. I'll be ready on March 1st, and I'll happily contribute again.

[@rrrubioe4390]

I 've been with you since Ensiferum, I've been with you in the crowdfunding, and I'm with you right now in the preorder of Time II. You're an absolute genious of music. Here we go again!

[@HellboundHarry]

🤘

[@brucerouffian2630]

@@HellboundHarry You know what's really annoying? I have a damaged tendon in my right hand,and my little finger won't stretch straight. My metal horns look like I am just pointing a finger upwards.

[@HellboundHarry]

@@brucerouffian2630 haha my left horns are definitely more prominent than my right horns.

[@Wormweed]

I bought it on indiegogo in 2017, and had no idea there were drama about it. The entire thing was clear as day. Looking forward to Time 2!

[@Mofos_of_Metal]

All of the drama around Wintersun has never, not once dulled my appreciation and anticipation of their music. Truly a one-in-a-generation band - the passionate arguments will rage on but we should never lose sight of what is most important - THE MUSIC. That's what Wintersun is all about, their music changed my life, as it has for so many. Thankyou to Jari and the band for all the amazing music released so far - all of this passion and impatience is simply a sign of how much we eagerly await MORE of it!

[@Tarynyel]

Could not have said this better. Much appreciated

[@clinch4402]

This is a nice sentiment, but it's difficult to believe. It's unimaginably hard to maintain excitement for over a decade for drip-fed music. You're either a new fan, or didn't really pay attention to Wintersun over the years. If you were truly somehow here from the start and never once lost hope - then kudos. But I suspect a lot of these statements are fans posturing now that the album may finally be released. That being said, I'm doing my best to dust off the old wintersun fan in me, because I'd really like to join back in on some of the hype. The way of the fire is still my favourite metal song, and I've barely heard it.

[@pbmdh]

@@clinch4402 I can totally get that. As a new Wintersun fan, I can't imagine the complete agony of having to wait for over a decade to get the second half of time. I also never had the experience of their crowdfunding campaign drama. Instead I've been binging on antying Jari has ever touched. Ensiferum, Arthemesia, demo tracks.

[@clinch4402]

​@@pbmdh That's awesome, I bet you're stoked! When I ran out of material I ended up binging on some of his inspirations, including the mighty Summoning. Time II definitely marks an end of a 2 decade era, no doubt Jari's regretted his decision ever announcing it! I imagine each Wintersun album will likely feel like a pleasant surprise going forward (Like the forest seasons did, but alas it fell a bit hollow as many of us were still awaiting anything from Time 2 and the crowdfunding felt like another carrot down that road). Really happy for Jari that he can finally put this all to bed, I wonder why he didn't put this video out earlier though. Perhaps it just took a while to understand what it seemed like from a fan's perspective, our snide remarks (I've definitely left one or two) didn't help either.

[@pbmdh]

@@clinch4402 For sure! I'm holding out hope that getting Time II out the door is a bit of a dam breaking, writers-block-destroying moment where new music flows much easier for him. Thanks for the suggestion as well! I'll have to check them out.

[@Tueddlschlichbach]

Communication is key. Thanks, Jari! Looking forward to the new album!

[@sand_la]

I would love to see a tour of the "small" studio :)

[@m4rtic0]

Tbh i think he should start vlogging when he has free time

[@ilikevideos4868]

Yes! Would love to see that

[@tuojir]

He probably bought a flat for himself with fans money and took one room from it for the "studio".

[@XeonX__ASMR__METAL-experiments]

❤

[@maowmao]

@@tuojir which is totally fine lol, as long as he's able to make music

[@JarrodsTech]

TIME II IT'S HAPPENING

[@yourDeath86]

"Hi Jari, guy here!" Thanks to YOU to make beautiful music for us. 🙏

[@Emanuelnx]

Super excited to hear Time II, and hopefully all the drama is over now haha :))

[@amangogna68]

Fantastic !

[@sat8959]

I doubt it. Drama queens need drama. Half the comments here are still just people being angry, despite the video having 2700 likes and 60 dislikes right now.

[@luc9766]

The long awaited Time II, finally! 🤘🏻

[@roberth4395]

I am still waiting for a new Ensiferum album with Jari. At this point I think we will get that faster than Time II. Jokes aside Jari is a free man he can do whatever he wants I just wish we could enjoy his music more often

[@luc9766]

@@roberth4395 Ensiferum back with Jari and Petri would be damn epic ⚔️

[@TheAns51]

@@luc9766 Jari back to Ensiferum and Petri back to Norther would be one of the most amazing things to happens in Finnish metal music.

[@MrEgofreak]

Rock on!! After 12 years us Winterheads--or Sunheads--can finally have our catharsis!

[@overkilling84]

Time II has been completed. Release date: Be patient my son.

[@TheAlex29494]

It was always clear to me that it was not simply a case of "take the money and run" but I feel like a lot of the hate and unnecessary frustration could have been avoided if something like this was posted on regular basis to explain how everything was progressing that said, I hope that this video helps people to calm down even a little

[@Pfaeff]

Maybe Jari recognized that the drama has people talking about the band, so he didn't want to intervene.

[@Irevoltnow]

No matter how many time and clearly you explain things. There are always gonna be stupid people who just wanna hate. It's a futile effort.

[@Sol-De-Invierno]

@@IrevoltnowYou just can't keep silent for 7 years like Jari did. Should have updated us maybe yearly or so.

[@dmr87]

Cheers Jari, looking forward to Time II

[@sohaib785]

Thanks for this video Jari! It's Time II get excited for the new album! :D

[@anttitarvola3054]

Jari is an absolute chad, works his ass of for years, puts his name and money on the line and delivers what he promised. All the haters you can frankly get lost.

[@bitbraindev]

I personally do not care much about anything going on outside of the music by Wintersun and Jari. To me, Wintersun has one of the most unique and best metal music out there. Anything else is just secondary to me. March 1st cannot come soon enough!

[@Patralgan]

Yes. Since the beginning of my discovery of Wintersun it was clear almost from the beginning that it'll all be about the Time album and finally it'll be reality so I couldn't be happier. Sure, Jari has made mistakes, he's not perfect. He's a human so I can easily forgive him.

[@PsyphaX09]

More power to you, Jari and Wintersun!

[@DustinH81]

Thank you so much for making this video Jari, you explained everything perfectly! I was supporting you back in the 'Forest Seasons' release and package campaign, and I knew exactly what you meant when you explained the whole campaign. People buy a huge digital package from you, and you make a good amount of money from it that is YOUR MONEY, transaction complete! But it was cool that you also told people that your goal was to make enough money to be able to build the Wintersun Headquarters, and I thought that was magnificent! I'm still rooting for you on that, and I hope you make a ton more money in the Time II package! I also love that you built a 'semi pro' studio in the meantime, I would love to see a vlog of it! You are a true gentleman Jari, and I never had a doubt this whole time that a studio would be built eventually! I'm sorry that there are some ridiculous people on the internet that feel entitled, and raise hell if an influencer doesn't do exactly what they want, those are toxic people, and I'm sorry you have to deal with people like that. I think it's all part of the horrible 'cancel culture' that plagues social media right now, and there are indivuduals that seem to always want to find something to complain about. I am SO excited for Time II, and other stuff you are working on! Much love man 🤘

[@Cosmicforeigner]

Happy news❤️Thanks Jari!!!!

[@KalisthenicsKid]

Love it, we support you Jari, communication is much appreciated. Excited for Time II!

[@instant41]

Well said. Can't wait for the March 1st.

[@omiq7761]

I really wonder how people can be upset after the 2017 campaign. It was clear, to me, that you buy a finalized product via the platform. Simple eCommerce. It was not about crowdfunding the Wintersun HQ - that was just a vision and an ultimate bonus should things go super smoothly. Could all this have been clarified earlier? Perhaps, but as Jari said, they spent 3 years touring after which more plans were set in motion. Now that they are about to sell more music with the same method as before, I see it as no-brainer to address some questions many felt unanswered previously. All the best. Can't wait for TIME II.

[@null2470]

It's simple ecommerce to crowdfund paying off your previous label that you screwed over, under the guise of building a world class studio to release an album that is a decade late, while continuously muddying the waters on whether it is even coming out at all. Stuff like this is why people don't respect musicians. The work ethic in this story is absolutely shameful and atrocious. Jari should be ashamed of himself.

[@TrulyStucker]

Completely false. Initially it was intended as a FIRST campaign in order to reach ULTIMATE goal which was even SET to 750K euros to build Wintersun HQ. They literally asked people to help to reach ultimate goal. Moreover, the campaign page with all the updates is still available via indiegogo and everyone can go and refresh their memory. It wasn't a bonus or vision, it was a straight plan. I paid 50 euros not for the package alone (not interested in isolated tracks or anything) but to eventually get more Wintersun releases FASTER as they PROMISED. It was a payment to support the band reaching ultimate goal. And guess what? I got nothing for 7 years. No more music at all. Plan was abandoned long time ago and Jari didn't even care to be open about it as soon as the plan got abandoned. How it is possible is beyond me.

[@abysmal8338]

Thanks jari, this was kind of emotional to watch for me youve always been a big hero of mine and im glad you've been able to explain your side of the story its been upsetting to see the comments about everything going on and im just SO happy that you have finished time 2. I never rly cared about the money situation i agree, what you do with the money is at your discretion ive just been waiting for time 2 ever since i was still in my early 20s living with roommates and shit. My music has completely changed over the years but ill never forget singing and playing guitar to ensiferum "old man" with my friends on my 21st birthday or trying to learn all of your songs singing and playing (except the solos of course😂) your music will always hold a special place for me and i am thrilled to finally hear the new album . Jari id listen to your music if you had to record it on a 100 dollar laptop hooked up to a potato for the microphone lets be honest. Thanks for setting the record straight and thanks for working your ass off to finish the album!! Its going to be amazing.

[@liquiz]

Thanks for your work Jari! Can't wait to hear your new Time II album 🤘

[@notchhill2690]

Thank you, Jari. I'm counting down the days until March 1st!

[@Buffalodan66]

You in no way had to give this update, but I do appreciate it. I’m one of those guys who pre-ordered in 2017 and knew I was buying a physical product. You go above and beyond for the fans and we thank you. ❤

[@mtlman906]

He definitely owes an explanation

[@Buffalodan66]

you obviously voted for HILLARY BAHAHAHA@@mtlman906

[@666arindam]

​@@mtlman906for what exactly???

[@metallyricsarchive9947]

Excited for the package!

[@robertlaxton6883]

Hey Jari. I would love to see a video tour of the semi studio. Thanks.

[@stefanbierganns3193]

I cross my fingers the funds for the big Wintersun HQ coming together. So many people don´t get how much money it takes to buid a real big and good studio. Esp with the goal to produce really well and awesome produced music. So Jari, go for it...and I am sooo looking forward to Time II.

[@DyingKlokateer]

I saw in college how little people understand the amount of money involved in real estate. They would think 1 million usd is a lot when talking about commercial real estate. You maybe could buy a small shopping center in the shady part of town at least in Dallas, Texas. 200k would definitely be on the smaller side for a decent sized studio, though idk about Finland property prices.

[@bugravardal6432]

I think my heart stopped for a moment when I heard Time II is actually a reality. Just can’t wait. Thank you Wintersun!! Looking forward to seeing the Time package also

[@skulkloe]

Bring on March 1st so i can pre-order. This will be epic.

[@graxtheswampgoblinarchmage5356]

idk though, preordering from Jari it might take a bit more TIme before you actually hear the album.

[@Jojo66630]

So happy a new album is coming out!

[@reisereise1123]

Jari! Sending you love and waiting for new album ❤️

[@WinterWizard7]

Keep doing what you do Jari! Can't wait for March 1st!!!!

[@JimDavis440]

Thanks, Jari! We know you are an honorable, hard-working genius without compromise. You've given us such wonderful music that returns bygone emotion. You music is the pinnacle of memorable melody. I think most fans took a break from following the band's socials while waiting for new music. The comments were left to be dominated by a handful of shameless haters and self-promoters. Please notice 95% of these comments are overwhelmingly positive, and we're just returning from hibernation. We appreciate you. We noticed the shameless slander and self-promotion done by a particular band on your pages. They don't deserve to be named, and handling it this way was much better than chasing shadows. You are truly a class act!

[@HellboundHarry]

Thanks Jari! I'm really sorry you guys had to make a video like this. For a lot of us, it was common sense that we were donating our funds to a cause AND receiving an album in return in 2017. It's like buying any expensive vinyl these days. I'm looking forward to the TIME PACKAGE as I'm certain many others are. I hope that one day you guys get your big Wintersun Studio, and that you can live out your dream! Thanks for the epic music and memories 🤘

[@rapsahtaa]

Such a video was very much needed! To be perfectly frank, I've been surprised by the amount of people who felt like they got scammed during the 2017 crowdfunding... Like, you paid for a product and you received said product, so I'm genuinely baffled at where the "scamming" claims came from. Although with all the weird drama going on I think everyone would have benefited from explanations being made sooner. But ah well! I will most certainly always support you guys and your music, no matter how much time it might take to release new albums. Plus, we're here now and Time II is finally going to see the light of day; I'm beyond hyped! Can't wait for March 1st 🤘

[@tuulenkoti]

It seems to be a small group of people trying to promote themselves off of him.

[@JimDavis440]

​@@tuulenkoti Correct. I'm glad someone else noticed. Atavistia slandered Jari while promoting themselves, using a bunch of accounts.

[@pwootjuhs]

@@JimDavis440 Are those accounts 100% proven to be connected to them? idk about the whole thing but that would make a serious case for slander if it can be proven

[@eliteextremophile8895]

it's in the name "crowdfunding". When people put money into a thing that's called crowdfunding on a crowdfunding platform, the confusion should be expected. Especially if you're going to keep radio silence up for years. Other than that, everything should be clear.

[@samusorvari8735]

good video Jari! I love you and your music! Keep being awesome

[@FORDOMMELSE666]

Can't wait for the preorder! Got my money aside for it already 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@luissantiestebancomposer]

Can't wait. 🤘

[@XeonX__ASMR__METAL-experiments]

Thank You guys for the music !!!!!!!!

[@mattgoldsworthy3278]

Man, I'm really happy you were able to complete Time II for yourself. I know it meant a lot to you and the production is something you're really passionate about, so I'm glad you were able to complete it, seeing you achieve this gives me energy!

[@ChuckART]

You guys want more Wintersun albums? Buy it when it comes out but not a second before.

[@Spooky_Pumpkins]

Have never been let down by you, Jari. Fully support you, and thank you for everything you've done

[@infernalsymphonytv2928]

I think part of the issue was the way the initial funding campaign was worded and promoted. I distinctly remember that the way the campaign was set up was designed to take advantage of people's desire to see Time II completed. Yes, we all understand the complexities of your vision and crafting music this complex is no easy task. We understand that sometimes it's not as simple as sitting down and making it happen. That said, yes, The Forest Package was a finalised product, that people did pay for. And you could use the proceeds from that anyway you wanted. Nobody disputes that. The problem was that the emphasis at the time was less about 'you are spending your money for this album you really want', it was more so 'If you really want us to make Time II, you have to buy the forest seasons from us first' No other band large or small bargains with fans in this way. It felt a little bit entitled and obnoxious - especially after multiple delays and missed release windows already. But at the end of the day if the music is worth it i can forgive a bit of big-headedness! Congrats on finishing Time II!

[@aexalven]

INB4 Time II also has barely audible guitars and sound drowned by poopy synths. The only correct way to listen to TIME I is the live rehearsal (before it got remastered and ruined ofc)

[@infernalsymphonytv2928]

@@aexalven i don't know, listening with a really good pair of over-ear headphones really elevates it. I was and still am stunned by the quality of the sound of Time I. The songwriting is up to subjective taste, but the simple feat of getting so many layers mixed and working seamlessly was astounding. It truly is a leap forward for metal production and sets the standard to this day. That said, that alone does not give you any right to fleece people out of money for a followup that should have come out 12 years ago and strong arm your loyal fans out of their hard-earned cash by forcing a lesser album on them. It was all in the messaging, if Jari had just said 'look, as you know this is a herculean task, it will take years for this to be complete' from the outset, the drama would have been avoided. Instead we got a decade of empty promises and aggressive marketing, which just wore thin eventually. Luckily, the album is now done, and that's really the only saving grace

[@MortifiedPenguinGaming]

@@aexalven you must be deaf

[@clem_chret]

Can't wait to pre order Time II ! Never doubt about your goals and skills. People are so toxic nowadays, I'm sure some will still find a way to criticise. Anyway, that's still a good clarification. You music is incredible, helping me everyday. Thanks to the band !

[@cruelreality7600]

I’m confused, I know so many melodic death metal bands that cannot afford a big studio as they are much smaller that have been releasing albums on par with the first and second albums. Fires in the distance, aether realm, and duskmourn come to mind.

[@brianmcevoy1990]

He is a full of shit narcissist con man.

[@cristinajimenezmartin5160]

Oh my god, a new album release!! I had no idea, hadnt follow their channel for a while. I'm getting tears now 😢

[@langben7736]

I'm so ready for march 1st. Been waiting a long time for this.

[@kAudiZ78]

You are my favourite band since i bought your first album as a teenager back in school in Germany. The quality of your music, songwriting, guitar etc.. was and is beyond!!! You are a genius, and i am sorry for you having to justify anything.

[@carol5058]

You didn’t owe us any explanation Jari but thank you that you did anyway. Love you and super anxious to get this new material ❤

[@esaedvik]

Can't wait, for whatever you guys come up with.

[@GonnieBlokland]

Dear Jari, thanks for you explaining things. For me it is nit necessary, it should not have to be explaind att all. Real fans will never accu's you from anything. When they pau for your product, they don't have to know how you spent that money. Never. Hope it's soon March 1st and pre-order. Stay safe and let all you want for the studio happen. ❤

[@Desaje]

Looking forward to Time II \m/

[@danielg5285]

Thank you Jari, don't get worried by some ppl complaining, product for money is a deal made and what you do with the money is your decision! Thanks for all the fantastic music over the decades ! All the best

[@clinch4402]

Thanks for remaining so humble Jari, despite all of our crushing expectations and years of jokes at your expense. I think this was a really good video that clears up a lot of the miscommunication between you and the fans. One thing though: I wish you'd made videos talking about your perfectionism and what it means to you, or how difficult it is for you to abandon/deal with it. I think it would have made things much more relatable, because a lot of us don't understand it.

[@pbmdh]

Jari might just not be one for making blog videos like that, but I 100% agree he should consider it. Sometimes talking about it can be super cathartic, almost like therapy but with your fans.

[@blackefeltsch7459]

"Thanks for remaining so humble" fucking lol

[@clinch4402]

@@blackefeltsch7459 Well this video could have gone another way, given the pile-on he's been getting for years now. It may be a bit late, but it was professionally delivered.

[@jesusmetal92107]

I am just here for more Wintersun. Been a fan for years.

[@winterbear8633]

Thanks for clearing it up! Glad to hear all is well and I hope you can achieve your goals. Thank you for all the amazing music!

[@xTraculx]

Excited as hell for Time II! Its been a while!

[@mattgoldsworthy3278]

Also it hit me how excited I am for Time II. The forest package gave me so much energy and inspiration, I can't wait for Time II

[@IceKingASMR]

Epic! More straight to camera updates in the future please 🙏🏻 I believe these feel very valuable to your fans. Also, I bought the forest seasons pre-order back in the days. Zero confusion for me there. Super glad I did! Keep up the great work.

[@Spooky_Pumpkins]

It absolutely astounds me that anyone thinks they had a right to comment or throw accusations about what you do with any of the money... transaction complete, the product is ours, the money is yours... noone should question that

[@minnaraiha2979]

Yes everything that is legal is right

[@DyingKlokateer]

​@@minnaraiha2979so would you think that once you buy a product, you have a say in how that money is used afterwards?

[@Ddragggon]

If I said I was collecting money to save puppies from being killed at the humane society, then didn't spend the money on saving puppies from being killed at the humane society, its ok because transaction done. Why would you get any say in where the money I told you was to save puppies goes after its my money?

[@memes3874]

@@Ddragggon you're not buying something in that case, you're donating.

[@eerov]

​​@@DdragggonBut they are using the money to buy the studio like they promised???? Your example doesn't work.

[@brnheavymetal]

Very clear statement, hope people stop commenting shit in Wintersun pages after that. Excited to listen to Time II

[@serpentthegreen]

This video is about 4 years overdue.

[@noot871]

Exactly, the lack of transparency over the years is what made people go mad and caused rumors to be spread in the first place, because their questions were never answered

[@serpentthegreen]

@@noot871 Yep. As much as I would like to get Time II sooner .. there's plenty of music to listen to. But ignoring the fanbase and posting irrelevant videos instead did a lot of damage. It is a management issue, not creative one and should be addressed by different kind of people with different expertise.

[@drabbster]

only for dumb internet trolls who couldn't make sense of the facts. but yes, would've been an easier time for Jari if he did that video right away.

[@dani_montoro_gtr]

THIS

[@Geordano97]

@@serpentthegreen Okay, I think the majority of the fanbase is mature enough to understand that unless you have proof of something or they speak about the matter everything else is just speculation and childish gossiping.

[@morejulo]

I'm happy you got to build at least a smaller studio, so that you can continue creating new albums. Really excited for Time 2!

[@linnane666]

Whats the update on the sauna

[@devvilboyy676767]

Got'em

[@Transilvanian90]

Glad to hear from you! I can't wait to hear Time II

[@kollitumi]

Lets go!

[@Fishlampclock]

Jari, I've met you 3 times in person in Los Angeles, once per Wintersun Tour. I appreciate all that you do. I appreciate this video. I can't wait for you guys to come back so you can sign Time II in person - just like you've signed the other 3 vinyl albums for me! Cheers!

[@Troll_Vs_Troll]

You have our unwavering support, as always, Jari. Thank you for the music and for sharing this update. Excited for the future of what you're going to bring 😁😅

[@IroquoisGaming]

"God forbid a musician make money EVER" - People who finish trolling his social media and go listen to spotify.

[@bDoom88]

Love you, man!

[@ChrisLee83]

Super excited about all of this! Maintaining transparency is very difficult and it's impossible to make everybody happy. Cannot wait to hear Time II!

[@GarrettCampbell]

Absolutely stoked for Time II., Jari. You never put out anything lack-luster. I trust my money with you guys🤘🔥👍

[@Kjertinge]

Thanks for the video and explanation Jari! I wish a video like this had come out years ago really hammering out all the questions and gray area topics. I saw a lot of people upset about the money and no finished products. I guess it was really a matter of the difference between investing in something and buying something that people were confused about. The more communication people have with their fans about this sort of stuff goes a loooong way. But I hope those days are behind us. All the best with the studio ❤

[@manosmack]

We love you ! Keep creating this magical music !

[@adriankovacs4133]

This is my favorite band in the world, i really wish you guys the best.

[@ligthbringer99]

well now with that being cleared up I'm excited to heard time ll after years waiting for it.

[@MikePotvin]

hope to see you on tour soon!

[@SelfDestructionWorldwide]

Hyped

[@oskaripaavonen1786]

Tää oli hyvä selvennys, kiitos! Innolla Timea 2 odotellen

[@AchillesFeel]

Love you guys 🤘🏻

[@TheAsianNerd]

To those who think they can control how Wintersun use the money: No. This is a very basic commercial transaction. You pay for the product. You get the product. Band gets the money and profit. Profit can be reserved for other use. It's at the band's discretion.

[@mark_afterdark]

Yeah exactly, I don’t really understand why people felt entitled to have a say in what they did with the funds

[@vimtyr1181]

Thanks for the clarification! Giving an insight of your finances was very honorable, not everyone would've done that. Excited for the package. Cheers! 🍻

[@anetteridleyrodriguez]

I love you guys so much! One of my favorite bands of all TIME!!! 🤘

[@fernandohenriqueribeiro9337]

Since this is a clarification video, i was looking for the word "sauna" but all i got was "gray area"...

[@stianthijsen4784]

are there rumors that Jari built a sauna instead of a studio from the money?

[@fernandohenriqueribeiro9337]

@@stianthijsen4784 Jari shared his plans for the "Wintersun Headquarters" on his own facebook. His studio included a Sauna. People got mad because if we connect the dots... Every band can make albums with orchestrations. What makes Wintersun so special for Jari to need so much money? Well i guess the Sauna is the answer

[@KreshDraven6]

Can even believe that we will finally be able to hear The Way Of Fire in all its glory instead of that shitty live video (that I'm eternally grateful for it)

[@karljensen6768]

As I use to say! Good things are worth the waiting ❤️

[@AleexSolanoo]

Glad to have you back, for real.

[@asatorftw]

That was great. Clear and to the point. I never took offense about how the funds are used after buying the 4 Seasons, however I did wonder if there was going to be a new album. So this is great news!

[@martsum398]

We're all waiting for the BIG TIME PACKAGE!

[@kit2111]

Just posting you are awesome even before I watch the video :)

[@nordicshredder4128]

thank you too, Jari! I'm glad you're clearing the clouds and making updates. Keep releasing bedroom shred videos. Love your guitar style, man, keep it up! (moving to Finland for uniarts Helsinki and studying Finnish at the moment.)

[@awguitarroom8033]

Time 2 is gonna be insane. I'm so excited

[@kurojester4513]

Updates like this are much appreciated. Life happens and things often take longer than we’d like and while you’re not obligated to communicate, it’s always a good idea too. It keeps excitement up while tempering expectations.

[@glitterghost75]

There is absolutely no way Time II is finally done. It's been more than 10 years, I am so damn excited!! If you do not come to my country on the Time II tour then I will try my hardest to go to the closest country you will tour in instead. Thank you Wintersun

[@mojoredfoot]

After seeing you perform “way of the fire” live, I am very excited to finally hear it on the album

[@againsteternity110]

Heyyy! My birthday is when the pre-order starts?! Yes boi!!

[@drewcadaver]

If you made this video 5 years ago, you'd have saved yourself a lot of reputational damage.

[@NPC-ej4ql]

Is that so? I doubt it. Also, lots of people were flaming and will return whenever "Time II" is out, anyway. People take themselves way too serious sometimes.

[@johnny_eth]

Damage? A couple of loud mouths on the internet don't count as damage. Yes, everyone joked about the endless versions of his instrumental track and time 2 taking a lot of time, but we're still here to get the new album and go to the concerts.

[@CurryFeatures]

​@@johnny_ethlol there are thousands of them. You don't have to look hard to find them either.

[@yourDeath86]

Peoples that need a video like this from a music band, are morons.

[@marcusaurelius5742]

*percieved reputational damage by some. None of what he said here is anything new. People either misunderstood the situation deliberately so they could hop on the bully Jari train or were simply too stupid or lacked the language comprehension to understand what’s been said a million different ways already.