The Turbulent Life Of Pablo Picasso (Art History Documentary) | Behind The Artist

[@PerspectiveArts]

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[@AudioPervert1]

what a bogus lecture. Which artist (very famous) did not have Turbulent Life? Name one please? (they create all such content deliberately to create new and false perspectives most of the time) And F**K Netflix. As if there was nothing else in this world to watch.

[@alexcarter2542]

...so where's part 2? This should be called, "the turbulent YOUTH of pablo picasso." It's not finished. He's like, 25, where this documentary ends. No word of his best works yet.

[@KingDayDayDay00]

The way it ended so suddenly made it feel that way too

[@alexcarter2542]

@@KingDayDayDay00 lol I'm glad I'm not the only one. I was honestly really irritated lol. They do such a good job with their doc's and to just leave it there seems... Well, evil

[@alteredcatscyprus]

Indeed it rather trailed off and wrapped up abruptly!

[@alexcarter2542]

@@alteredcatscyprus we need to start a petition

[@whoisharo4689]

🙂

[@TheKyleCoyle]

This narrator is no substitute for Waldemar. Honestly, she sounds like one of those robot voiceovers on tiktok.

[@kathydent2116]

If you look at the end credits, it's clear that this is a French documentary, so the voice over is not part of the original. Waldemar writes his own stuff, so we aren't going to get him reading a translation of someone else's work for us (sadly). But I agree with you about the bland way she reads the script.

[@BrianSalazar-kn5ng]

Who cares? It works for me.

[@michaelburgess9707]

I hope there will be a part 2 and part 3, after all he lived another 65 years after "Les Desmoiselles d'Avignon". Thanks for all you do, really enjoy the Perspective channel.

[@WhitneyDahlin]

Was there ever a part two or three?

[@Sodhivine]

WE NEED A PART 2!!!

[@deansnipah1392]

30:14 I think these facts are wrong. He proposed to her, and when she denied him, he shot her and then himself. But she ended up surviving

[@adrianzugravu6577]

The most overrated artist of all time.

[@ffffff52]

Frida Khalo would like a word... (I genuninly question how her work managed to opaque or even shadow the work of other artists, specially other mexicanas)

[@grandcrowdadforde6127]

and the world s only!! // then multi-millionaire COMMUNIST! ha!

[@XBKLYN]

Throw Dali in that bin too

[@pauleohl]

@@XBKLYN Both can be overrated, but both can't be most overrated.

[@kathydent2116]

Whoops. Your ignorance is showing.

[@LOVERGEIST777]

painting while listening to this.... its gonna be a good day!

[@rodjomanelle]

In other words, the only good thing about him is his art.

[@kathydent2116]

That could be said about many artists. There's nothing as disappointing as meeting someone whose art you revere.

[@johncastle8254]

Your ignorance is enormous.

[@martitinkovich4489]

And that's not enough?

[@MrDelvoye]

Debatable

[@kirbo-prime6181]

His "art” is trash

[@StephiSensei26]

When you're a sponge, what else can you do but "absorb" everything around you. "If you're going to steal, steal from the best!" He took what he saw, ran with it and brought it to new heights. Terrific Documentary. Thank you.

[@sakabula1285]

Well if you're a Sponge you can get a deal with a major children tv network and have a hit show and be loved by millions of kids worldwide...I know a sponge named Bob that did that

[@StephiSensei26]

@@sakabula1285 Good one!😀

[@susanmercurio1060]

I read that "Good writers borrowed from others, great writers stole." I guess painters did the same.

[@StephiSensei26]

@@susanmercurio1060 BINGO!

[@xpez9694]

stealing is not the right word but it sounds mischievious and dubious in this context.. all it means is to find inspiration from varied sources and use them in new unexpected ways..make new connections between these inspirations to create something that is your own..

[@reginaargentin2864]

love this channel but please showcase more women artists! There were many that are not household names but worthy to show and as a woman artist I enjoy seeing other women artists from the past

[@STRANGE_hour]

What is this narration style? It sounds like someone reading the Wikipedia entry wtf is this

[@aquelpibe]

Reading some of the comments here, a saying comes to mind: "ignorance is bold".

[@Makonen442]

Why do they not speak about Picasso’s work as Afrikan . After all.. Henry Matisse introduced Picasso to Afrikan art. It was Matisse who coined the word “Cubism”. Not Picasso. Because Matisse said Picasso was painting like the Afrikans… in little cubes. Hence… Picasso painted the “ brothels in Avignon “ after seeing the Afrikan mask Matisse showed him.

[@mab7175]

Very well and truthfully said. Cubism, impressivism, and expressionism are replications (stolen artforms) from North African and Northwestern African artforms. The North African Moors occupied and dominated Southwestern Europe, mainly Spain and Portugal, for 700 years. Of course African art, architecture, technologies were brought from Africa to Europe by the Moors. There are exact copies of Picasso's paintings from remnants of African art remained in Spain and other regions throughout Southwestern Europe. The failure attributing Modern European Art to the introduction of African art forms is a reprehensible stain on the history of art.

[@gavinreid2741]

The term cubism was coined by an art critic; not matisse. The main influence on Picassos cubism was Cezanne.

[@Makonen442]

@@gavinreid2741 yes it was coined by Henry Matisse. Matisse was the artiste that introduced Picasso to African Art. Upon seeing the African Art.. Picasso locked himself away and painted within the same concept. When Picasso showed Matisse the painting. Matisse said to him. "Why are you painting like the Afrikans in little cubes" . Quoted unquote. The French art critic you claimed coined the word was late in doing so. There was no Cubism in Europe until Matisse showed Picasso Afrikan Art. George's Braque came after with the landscapes.

[@azalea1404]

The background "music" from minute 23:24 (when Picasso arrives Paris) and onwards is horrible, hideous and very disturbing. Please remove it. It ruins the documentary, as we can't hear the voice over!

[@raffinee_3763]

Please play part 2...........you'all never played part 2 for Toulouse Lautrec..........

[@lulufavs4519]

CANT LISTEN TO THE AI NARRATION. TOO FAST AND ANNOYING!

[@ssnoc]

Picasso stole cubism from early African cave art -

[@gavinreid2741]

And Cezanne

[@Eudaimonia88]

What's wrong with the narrator? Absolutely awful way of narrating a documentary. Is this an A.I. bot? The intonation is unnatural and the speed of the narration is not inducive to listening.

[@margkropf5541]

I wonder about the sisters.Would they have been encouraged to paint or simply ignored as being females?

[@Noramar98]

Ignored most probaly

[@sg639]

This was the question Woolf posed in her meditation on Shakespeare's sister.

[@mariofabrizi5050]

Disappointing Doco. It stops when he is 25 - not exactly his Life...

[@DizzyCsango]

Is it just me or is the video not playing at normal speed?

[@WillStephensArt]

Your comment is at .25 speed

[@patrickcharles7190]

Was that the introduction? When does the turbulence come in? Part 2?

[@rottendrestantje]

This is a painter that could actually paint really good but, alas, decided to fool the world instead, producing a shitload of onimaginable eyesores, witch, with the help of the artmafia, still works today. In his wake came an obscene horde of blotters that we have come to know as the modern art movement, the art of the 20th century, a centuay best forgotten where art is concerned.

[@pectenmaximus231]

Too bad for you that those unimaginable eyesores appeal to others. Guess you have to stick to realist paintings that don’t require too much interpretation.

[@rottendrestantje]

​@@pectenmaximus231 Not much to interpret in crudely panited tits on a vase exept that it must have been done by an overconfident lazy regresser who was most likely able to scare people into letting him get away with what he did.

[@kathydent2116]

"The Young Ladies of Avignon"? 😂 Originally entitled "The Avignon Brothel".

[@sarahtaylor8886]

I do not have the time to watch the full video; can someone verify whether or not this is suitable for a secondary classroom? Thank you

[@alankislyuk5424]

Yes definitely

[@claudettedelphis6476]

Thank you W for yet another superbly interesting and totally enjoyable day in history 🌷 You are the Best 🍃 Life is Art 🖼

[@mannymoseley4005]

Thank you so much for posting one of my favorite artists along with Michael Angelo, Leonardo de Vinci, Vincent Van Gogh, Paul Gauguin, Monet, Manet and others. Thank you for reminding me that their is acceptional beauty in the world. Art lifts us transports us inspires us and informs us. It is eternally our Muse.

[@43painter]

Fascinating docu. I am an artist in Amsterdam , soon to become an idiot 'smart city', for idiots . . .by idiots, but my Gertrude Stein hasn't appeared on my doorstep . . yet. 😅

[@simonestreeter1518]

Hey, over here New York City is fast becoming a Smart City for idiots too! I had to leave.

[@sergiocarrasco]

I always thought he was italian. I knew Salvador dali was Spanish but not picasso.

[@rasclotify]

He is the quintessential artist's artist we learn in Art School. He was like the Beatles of the art world exploring each style movement & medium breaking ground before there was ground to break. Innovator! A true literal protege from the jump. He was also a romantic, a ladies man as well as a notorious womanizer, who drove several women to attempt suicide! Isn't life grand? Full of contradictions & grays. Some of our greatest heroes were jerks, alcoholics, abusive husbands, nazi sympathizers, etc, etc. his story for me is yet another artist who invokes the debate: Appreciating the art & separating it from the artist when the artist's actions are morally questionable. Woody Allen, Leni Riefenstahl, Charles Bukowski, cancel culture, etc....but the art, good gawd the art. Most known for his cubism period, it is his sculpture & blue period that blows my mind. Check his entire catalog. When you see his work in person ? Mouth ajar. Thats a bucket lister.

[@B88-h6n]

I think that you should separate the art from the artist. To produce great, frequently it is require to go through extreme experiences, and that means, doing some morally objectable mistakes. It goes hand in hand, no good art ever came from a puritanist.

[@rasclotify]

@@B88-h6n I love the convo on this topic, & appreciate both sides of the argument & I have had this same convo with many artists throughout the years on this specific topic many times. I tend to air on the side that you stated in your comment. I can appreciate the art still, but think the artist is rotten to the core ethically as a person outside of their art at the same time. They can coexist in my opinion. I can make that distinction. Whether or not I support them $ is a diff matter, but I can still appreciate the art & recognize it’s strengths.

[@AthalieM]

@@B88-h6n I agree art should be separate from the artist; however, i do not agree with this idea that people have to be 'morally objectionable', suffer, or cause suffering to make great art. that's such a tired, harmful trope. there is a LOT of space between puritan and extremist.

[@philiptownsend4026]

​@@AthalieM An artist doesn't have to be that way but it seems to help. A very high proportion of the most innovative and highly regarded these days had awful lives whether self inflicted or not.

[@Dan-xx5jq]

Today he would be canceled and put of business! He was a big con artist in the history of the world!!! He was already an immoral man almost causing women to take their own lives. Unfortunately he fooled a lot of people and I will get attacked for speaking the truth as I am not someone that can be brainwashed like the masses. His dad helped him in the beginning so he turned out his best work. He came up with a scam to disguise his inability to draw or paint. He was the beginning of the BIGGEST FRAUD in the art world!! Since then every con artist has followed creating garbage and fooling folk into beginning it is art. Such madness. Sadly most people have no clue about art and have to be told what was 'good art'. He couldn't even draw hid gf, as his father was not there to correct his mistakes. He knew how lousy his work was, so he came up with a trick...he would draw people in cubes or circles, it would disguise his inability to draw. He sure fooled everyone! His pictures after leaving home away from his father, look cartoony.. That's because he really couldn't draw. The pictures of crowds of people are so pathetic. The art world was desperate for something 'new'.. so they bragged about his work. Even though it was garbage. But they were so desperate for something 'new'. I would never hang any of paintings in my toilet! I know in 500 years to 1,000 years folk then will be wondering what were we thinking??? They will see it as garbage and one of the biggest con in the art world! Soon Jackson Pollock and Any Wahol will jump on the bandwagon continue the con. Others have followed, pretending to be a little insane, as that is part of the draw. The nature of the game. Sadly, only in the future this biggest Con will be blown open!!

[@tigerscott2966]

Great video...the painting world is filled with secrets...only the affluent really like and buy art. There is so much fraud, abuse and contraversy there, it really takes away from the real beauty. It is magical when a person connects with a painting .

[@morningstar9233]

Fun fact: Pablo Picasso never got called an asshole.

[@cameraman5449]

Also: he was smooth af and drove an Eldorado

[@morningstar9233]

@@cameraman5449 Some people try to pick up girls and get called asshole - this never happened to Pablo Picasso

[@maximusaugustus6823]

Art is subjective, for me, Picasso sucks big time.

[@maximusaugustus6823]

It's like the emperor has no clothes because some critics said he was a genius and then everybody started to repeat the same BS.

[@propercomics5994]

@@maximusaugustus6823 Most people when presented with a Picasso painting without the pretext of him being a genius would consider it to be badly designed and rendered.

[@vicentepineda1860]

Thanks for a very interesting documentary. I believe that there is "art" in all of us, but, sadly, it is not all who have the ambition and the perseverance to unlock its secrets. Thanks again.

[@curtcoller3632]

Unfortunately there was no "art" in fellow Picasso.

[@vicentepineda1860]

@@curtcoller3632 The ability to justly interpret the expressions of another's imagination is beyond me. But is is within my domain to express justly the workings of my own imagination for good or ill. Thanks.

[@vicentepineda1860]

Thanks.

[@kensyskye8965]

Nor desire….

[@vicentepineda1860]

@@kensyskye8965 I agree.

[@alanlawrence2954]

Epic documentary. Was transfixed from the first frame to the last.

[@irenelamprakou5178]

What Pablo and bullshit. My name is EIRINI LAMPRAKOU. I live in Vouliagmeni athens greece. I am the Alithia behind Meta.

[@kalilavalezina]

It ends just as it's getting juicy! Is there a part two?

[@maye3244]

Arguably his most important influence got only a lazy single sentence acknowledgement in the narration. Poor.

[@CoolRay.]

Good information on Picasso, but please let us know once you decide to clearly title the second and third parts of Picasso's story because they're very difficult to find. I have yet to find either of them.

[@enzorocha2977]

PSA: Watch the video at 0.75x playback speed. The VO will be a bit more natural, less robotic. Must've been some snafu in the edit/upload to get that chipmunk voice effect in the final cut.

[@VaporChad.]

"Pablo Diego José Francisco de Paula Juan Nepomuceno María de los Remedios Cipriano de la Santísima Trinidad Ruiz y Picasso" what a name lool 😂

[@StefanMedici]

Can't wait for part 2.

[@janschetters7720]

The makers of this masterpiece of documentary are also masters of Culture Art.

[@maxbacon4828]

If you want to see art , look at the Pre Raphaelites . My apologies but I can never believe in "modern art".PS, a fine film to watch would be The Rebel, starring Tony Hancock.

[@Brutalwisdom123]

Cubismn is just Africa art. He came back from Africa with it . Reasearch and learn and stop being POND LIFE 🤔

[@suziperret468]

Love,love, love, Perspective ! Thank you.

[@paulsfam]

I own the etching on paper called 2 people by Matisse that was exhibited in 1915 NY . I know what Matisse thought of him

[@cameronkrause4712]

who cares?

[@paulsfam]

@@cameronkrause4712 Who cares What you think..lol

[@margkropf5541]

So what DIDMatisse think of Picasso??!!!

[@paulsfam]

@@margkropf5541 read up you will find out

[@NikitaCoulombe]

I can't help but wonder if Picasso's consumption of women in his later years (with 2 of his lovers committing suicide and 2 more having mental breakdowns) was his reaction to his experience with Germaine and Casagemas.

[@JustSayinStuff]

This narrator is soOo boring 😴

[@marciecorda5209]

The only WAY OUT when we SIN- BLESSED MOTHER MARY- REFUGIUM PECATORUM ( refuge of sinners) and Sacrament of CONFESION which restores God's GRACE within us and gives us PEACE which only JESUS CHRIST can give us.

[@mizsparkie5479]

The presenter talks so fast and sing song she sounds like AI.I just couldn’t watch it, tried three times.

[@MrBenzcdi]

yup

[@Eudaimonia88]

Agree. Terrible.

[@yendorcire]

Calling Picasso the forefather of cubism is like calling your dad your forefather. Picasso is the father of cubism. Cèzanne was the forefather of cubism.

[@marciecorda5209]

WORLDLY FAME , WEALTH and SEXUAL SINS are great Satanic templation .It is better to be poor, decent and holly than rich or lost in sins. Sacrament of CONFESSION is the fastest way to to COME BACK to Jesus Christ mercy and regain God's sanctifing grace.

[@hawthorne1504]

I wonder if he was a narcissist

[@terrywbreedlove]

Pablo Picasso and Vincent Van Gogh are my two favorite Artist. Wish we could have video of Vincent working in the studio as we have of Pablo.

[@sakabula1285]

I would have loved to see van Gogh paint..I reckon it was pretty messy...lol.Ive also always wondered what became of van Gogh's easel and brushes?

[@ToThoseWhoVanished]

His life was anything but turbulent, he deserves no sympathy if that's what this video is about.

[@christophermorgan3261]

These critics, they only agree with each other, what's the interest in that? His work was avant garde, now it's middle class taste, how did that happen and why? And why in these art docs does no one ever talk about materials, pencils, mixed media, brushstrokes, color, erasures, that's not boring, it's essential. These details might interest artists, rather than how messy his studio was (as all artist studios are) or prurient speculation on his love life like this is Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous, even if he was..

[@gzeusakey]

Learning and unlearning

[@marciecorda5209]

There is HOLY art and unfortunately PSEUDO-ART as well, even satanic "art". Be choosy and careful what You buy.

[@kensyskye8965]

I love these videos on the wonderful world of art, but cannot see what was so great about this particular artist?????? 😂😂😂 It’s horrible work!!!! All sounds very intelligent & articulate etc, but yuck!!! For all the money a Picasso is worth I would not want one of his works on my wall. Unless it was pre cubism!!! 👍

[@vicentesegarra8101]

as a Spaniard I can say I liked your approach to Picasso but I find it uncomplete however accurate it may be....please go ahead & enthrall us all with a continuate saga about him...thanks

[@stephanebelizaire3627]

VIVA PICASSO !

[@astorlvallejosaldana1158]

That painting look like a african mask 😷 Picasso copied African art 🖼 mask 😷 not doubt about that the other history’s is comercial art business 👨‍💼 🤷🏽😂😂😂

[@creativebeanart]

Really interesting subject, however, the English narrator irked me no-end. There was a robotic quality that detracted from the quality of the film.

[@antonyhaase918]

Makes such a difference, this ai read thing compared to Waldermar. Can't actually listen to this. Can have Januszczak on in the background all day.

[@andrewbellavie795]

the close up shots of the paintings are excellent

[@mariapilarme]

The commentaries are childless that was Spain at that time. Everyone get the last name from the father and the mother. You just don’t know the Spanish culture and say stupid things. Nothing different did Picasso because everyone did the same. This is really bad and a lot of lies.

[@celestialteapot309]

the posh bird doing the narration could be talking about washing powder.

[@yash_4615]

Bc ye short film bol k Puri film dekha di college valo n 😭😭

[@dedskin1]

Pablo picasso lived along side Nikola Tesla , and he has a Grave . Where is the Grave of Nikola Tesla . I want you to think about that . Tell me what you think .

[@danielboard9510]

No renaissance....But re hARD THINKING FUCK oFFF///

[@jerrybaba2]

Georges Braque was the forefather of cubism, Picasso was inspired by him and wanted to find out where it would lead him in his own endeavors.

[@raghv0704]

excpetionaly gifted not exist he was a very intense and very true to himself and hence his work paintings become excpetionally good and stunning please do not lessen his temprament and value and motivation towards his work by saying mentioning him excpetionally gifted

[@isaacbrickman4341]

Really wish we could’ve had Waldemar on this, been waiting for him to talk about Picasso

[@franlamb409]

he's very captivating as host indeed!

[@alteredcatscyprus]

I know! 😭 They know that, so they got him to introduce it, lol.

[@palomaalhambra2453]

Couldv'e? So who is this if its not Waldemar?

[@h7opolo]

oh, following in daddy's footsteps. how unoriginal. how dependent. how not inspiring.

[@brandycat8513]

What or who did he have to do to get his first gallery break? Not just talent, we have learned from history.

[@MrMonoyo]

The mistery and greatness of Cubism: One Cube has 6 sides {six blank canvas}; Picasso paints his abstraction of reality or the particular focus or component of it on each side of his cube. The cube is his whole canvas and artistic composition.

[@PaulineMontagna]

I would have loved to watch this documentary, but the robotic narrator’s voice really put me off. Were the film makers too miserly to pay for a human narrator?

[@Ken-rm6ew]

Interesting explanation of early Picasso. A lot of comments remark on his proclivity for ‘stealing’ ideas but seem not to understand that language is endlessly evolving and recycling and we cannot escape the influence of it as we grow in our usage of it. Art Is an expressive language which spans human experience and we make our contribution to it for future generations.

[@charlesberrian]

Then why frame this style as originating with Picasso, insteading of crediting the inspirations of his "genius"? The world is born out of the minds of ingenious people, but there are people who would steal the very breathes from the original creators. More and more people are waking up to the lengths people have gone to pervert history.

[@adaptercrash]

Really cool abstract surreal realism then he just offed himself

[@alexandradane3672]

Not the forefather but the father and founder of Cubism. Really ! Must do better with your headings ! IMO

[@rachelsremedies2602]

What turbulence life he led? He never worked a day in his life! Holding a paint brush in your hand to paint a canvas is not work!

[@noxolotshabangu8055]

Picasso had nothing to do with originating cubism. It’s an African common style of art!!

[@CliftonBowers-pc2xu]

I don't like dubbing...Va Francis et Español y Itialiano ...

[@JK-zf1no]

This awful AI narration makes this unwatchable for me, sadly.

[@Booly_987]

I find it weird that they left out the part where Casagemas attemted to murder Germaine. It was right before he committed suicide.

[@Schlei602]

Great docu. Thx!!!

[@deutschlandfurimmer2554]

Picasso? You mean Braque who Pablo stole everything from. lol

[@shirleyvelazquez1604]

just recently visit, His hometown Museum. It was my honor 🎖

[@projectgenes1s]

So Picasso just copied some black art masks and became famous on that. Typical!

[@SandraJSchultz]

Great except for the computer generated narrative. That sucked.

[@wildsolitude101]

Pablo 'The most over rated, over hyped artist of all time' Piccasso.

[@abeautifulmindispoetrydefi5323]

I've just looked at Pablo Picasso "Head of a Woman" painting for the very first time. It struck me like a bolt of lightening that it isn't actually a head of a woman. I'm not sure if you'll see it straight away but its a woman on the left with a man face on the right. It's tricky because its subjective and abstract but also definitive in the sense that there are two people in this picture and not one. What gave it away for me is the "Desperate Dan" chin of the man on the right and when you then put it into context it's as clear as day... Please if you just take one look you'll see exactly what I mean.

[@mendozabensouzan744]

Much of Picasso's art is loaded with occult images but you won't hear about it from the art historians because they have been trained not to look

[@ThatgirlFriday]

I thought the same!!!! " He's on her mind" or she's starting to think and act like him!!!!

[@monjiaitaly]

Picasso is very overrated, IMO and the worst of the worst is Andy Warhol.

[@TheKnives777]

Pablo Diego José Francisco de Paula Juan Nepomuceno María de los Remedios Cipriano de la Santísima Trinidad. "He was to be know as, Pablo Picasso!" Well, thank god!!

[@kennethhymes9734]

Any abusive man before 1975 is called "turbulent." Old Paul is overrated anyway. Impressionism and art deco had far more pervasive effects on our seeing and our sense of art and the world. Who paints or draws or designs like Picasso now? He is like Hemingway, his aggression and austerity appeal to a faction of historians and critics, and he is promoted to the point of obscuring the actual history of modern art - broad, multicultural, accessible, widely understood. I will take Ingalls Wilder over Hemingway, and Magritte or Hopper over Picasso, every single time.

[@mab7175]

Picasso was copying remnants of artforms brought to Europe during the period when the North African Moors arrived, occupied, and dominated the Southwestern regions of Europe, Spain and Portugal. Cubism, Impressivism, and expressionism are North and Northwestern artforms.

[@angelajsacaartistaffiliatedwpl]

Always love Picasso

[@janel342]

Dreadful narration - sorry - but too quick - not ‘Shared’ with us

[@sandihansen8743]

You've been talking a lot about starting a family. Are you expecting 😊

[@dannistor7294]

... I heard this many times, in various artistic and non-artistic circles, in reference to Picasso and to others: "he steals (or did steal, if already dead) other artists' ideas...When hearing this, I always ask the interlocutor if (s)he can give ma an example of an artist's "idea" that can be stolen... So far, no answer, people are just annoyed and might not invite me around anymore. ...Moreover, as far as a know, there are no cases in which a historian was able to point out a specific "theft", also naming Picasso's "victim"... ...Picasso talks about "stealing" in the sense of the influence that NO artist could ever avoid. That's why he recommends "the best". The amount of talking by the ear about art (and politics) is simply perplexing...

[@sg639]

Maybe this language of theft does not accurately/precisely convey the circumstance. If we instead say that he appropriated a tradition and set of conventions, then the argument crystallizes.