The two best skirm goon civs go head to head!!!!

[@ariffmus]

the thing about lakota is that it is S-tier and D-tier at the same time. they are such a glass canon in a way that they either hit hard or fall hard.

[@VLugiful]

Ressourced gathered may ve equal but lakota put so many additional villager seconds into the hero while Germany hasn‘t used the explorer almost half game

[@dgr9547]

Finally, my video before i can sleep. Greetings from Mexico.

[@jordanb722]

13:30 315hp/28atk*1.5 is such a disgusting statline for a goon. A regular goon only has 28*3 attack! and the BR gets twice the fire rate with a good animation (ie. low overkill). They just straight up beat hand cav in melee, which you can't say about a lot of ranged cav (goons will lose vs handcav in melee). Yeah, resistances help in melee but the sheer DPS of a BR is nuts. Hilariously, if you do the math, those BR do 40dmg vs the skirms per 3sec, skirms do 45. Skirms cost 115 res to BR 175 (ie. a BR is 50% more expensive). 20 BR vs 30 skirms, 6.3kHP vs 4.3k HP, 266DPS vs 450DPS (there's a lot more skirms). Skirms kill all BR in 14 seconds, BR kill all skirms in 16 seconds. The skirms do a lot more damage, but they are literally the counter to BR. They get one or two free shots off because of extra range too. Honestly. it would not at all surprise me if you just spam nothing but BR, make sure you don't get kited and make sure you take the fights all in and just beat the skirms anyway. If the opponent makes units that aren't skirms, the numbers get much worse because skirms are the best case counter. There's a use case for cover-mode anticav infantry like dopps to cover the skirm, I guess. But if the opponent is germany with Uhlan or something it makes the BR better because you need something that stands up to cav anyway. Bow Riders are just a crazy unit XD

[@jordanb722]

Gotta say, it's a real knife edge watching Lakota-style civs (I think it's similar for eg. Spain, Russia) where you don't have the range advantage. Really have to pick the moment to go in, get close range - because pushing and failing is so punishing if you have to retreat back away from the skirms and goons. I feel Lakota had quite a few moments where he could probably have pushed and made it beforehand, but that final cav switch and pull trick was a thing of beauty.

[@dennisbergkamp1553]

Yeah BR are way too strong.

[@jakubmalinowski1474]

those uhlans could be used better in that game, guigs let ailey farm to the north and let him fishing. guigs had chances to start water booming in the middle of the game since he had herds close to the lake. here is a good example how good community plaza is. few hero connections, then resurrection with it was such a huge combo, i claim that a tribe hero should be able to resurrect with a minute cooldown or so. that was such a brainless sacrificial abuse to deal similar to falconet connection damages.

[@karlbabst2484]

Awesome game ! Love Lakota. Gotta say I feared for them when those 4 falcs came out but it is amazing to see how well they handled it considering they don't have a culverin type unit.

[@juan_jojos]

With this skirm-goon meta I feel the artillery very waek

[@DakkaDakkaDakkaWaagh]

That pull trick by Lakota at the end was slick as

[@PW-zs2yx]

The top civs are so interchangeable right now, tier lists are almost irrelevant.

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

Most of the top civs are only top because being good early is good versus all-in FF USA 🦅.

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana I wonder why did people stop using the chinese immigrants. And I don't mean on maps like korea where only 3 total main trade route tps exist. For me, chinese immigrants is by far one of the best age1 cards ever. Comparable to the export trickle or 2 wagons or 3 cdbs.

[@rockerzzz2011]

Great game ! Great micro from both of them !

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

Uhlans are so bad at everything except raiding and being free 🆓. It often feels like it would be better off putting War Wagons in melee and micro-ing Skirmishers to cover their military-on-military combat roles. Or using the Tavern for heavy cavalry.

[@H3LLGHA5T]

Or using price electors for saxon cuirs. Actually quite good if you go for cheaper natives.

[@jordanb722]

It's an interesting idea. Chuck a couple WW in melee mode to distract units in melee and give the uhlans some more time dealing their insane DPS. As it is german melee definitely suffers from everything being relative paper XD (uhlan, dops both have pretty shit HP for the price)

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

​@@jordanb722 The War Wagons themselves will do better if you set them to hand attack mode. It ignores the high ranged resistance of the 🏹🛡 of light infantry and reduces their dps (as their melee dps is lower than their ranged dps and War Wagons have hand resistance). Skirmishers, Outposts (which counter all of Lakota's main units) and Falconets are still the best option for trading efficiently with them though. Ideally the Uhlans should be raiding or sniping reinforcements.

[@timiaus]

For these maps ive forgotten how to place home city water flags, where do i go to find it and place it as on these kind of maps their is no starting water HC shipment point to move around with.

[@greatscythe1116]

Free cav can be a bit of a burden vs strong goon civs.

[@pabloduarte1722]

Exactly, and even always is not as great as it sounds, since the opponent knows for sure you'll have cav, so they know the'll have to mix musks, pikes, halbs, etc. so all your composition is obvious so it makes them more invalidated...

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

@@greatscythe1116 >Free units are a burden Nice meme

[@cryptoricardo]

Best game caster ever

[@jaymenjanssens720]

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[@Corgi_Leonidas]

Germany needed falconets way before when they had the mass to protect it.

[@pabloduarte1722]

Don't think so, Lakota cav have great bonuses vs artillery, even their hero, and falcs cannot Kite, so it would be takimg 1 shot for each and then losing them to lakota hero or bow rider, so a waste, just like we saw at the end...

[@Corgi_Leonidas]

@@pabloduarte1722 when he had the uhlan mass, falcs would destroy skirms along with uhlans. I dont see any other way of him winning here

[@pabloduarte1722]

@@Corgi_Leonidas but that's the point, if he had falcs he wouldnt have had so many uhlans, or so many units in general, artillery is very expensive... And yes, if You don't see any other way of him winning is pretty much because theres not really anything to see haha, i mean, yeah, he could have done a few things to win but either way lakota is broken and germany is SO overrated, and lakota have the advantage...

[@CazadorDeBrujas22]

2:45 always standard deck because Germany is the same civilization as in 2005, this civilization has not been reworked like the other old civilizations, people cannot change the meta. just add the occasional card like the chevaulegers or the landwhers, but it's still the same. Only pandours, mercenary camps, bosniaks, advanced artillery, chevaulegers and ladnwhers are good new cards, but the other new cards are bad. Prince electors only is good card in treaty with 40 mins.

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

@@CazadorDeBrujas22 The entire game has been goon+skirms back and forth plus artillery when appropriate or all in with a musket like unit plus heavy cav and maybe cannons. Even in treaty it's like that. You mostly def and make small pushes with skirm+goon+culvs and hard push with mortar+musket+hussar

[@abrahambarkhordar5572]

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[@iMustBBlind]

ah yes guigs lost because he the opponent had 10 bow riders alive so it was insta gg

[@spickie6635]

man i think haude is up there as well for the best skirm goon civs, so title is questioning

[@pabloduarte1722]

Yeah, also Germany is NO way near best skirm-goon civ, is not even in top 10 i think, their skirm is one of the worst: french skirm is better, dutch skirm is better, spanish skirm is better, and thats all skirms, and for skirm-like units, portuguese one is way better, even strelet is better, as rangers and longbows, abus, bersagliere, maltese crossbow, gurkha, etc., etc., etc. Then their war wagon is decent, even kind of good, but is worse than cav archers overall, and even if they are better than goons overall, they are way worse than them in kitting, wich is a big thing in early to mid game, so they can't kite very good, but if they stand still, cav archers are still better, but still they are a good in-between unit, but they still are very far from being top tier light cav, they are a lot worse than insane light cav like: Bow riders, keshiks, rifle riders, Eagle Runner knights, jav riders, cav archers, hakkapelit So there are far better skirm-goon comps, for example here, lakota is vastly superior, bow riders capable even of softcountering german skirms, and having the cetan bowman wich is one of the best, if not the best light inf...

[@ZhangJingxi]

Honestly bow rider can beat skirms equal resources 😅 lakota can just win with pure bow rider

[@pabloduarte1722]

Ofc they can

[@H3LLGHA5T]

Not scouting water or going for it when there's no food left, of course he loses, he should have gone for artillery way sooner or for industrial.

[@warren53ify]

What was guigs previous name ? Is it Lukas ?

[@warren53ify]

What was guigs previous name ?

[@anarchya505]

Uhlans are like the weakest civ cavalry unit, no matter the upgrade , still weak ...

[@H3LLGHA5T]

that's why you go saxon cuirs.

[@CazadorDeBrujas22]

@@H3LLGHA5T saxon cuirs? Prince electors card only is good in treaty 40 mins.

[@berserker4940]

skirm/pike would be better for Germany in this match up

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

Since when is wakina good?

[@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana]

It is not good. It is just very needed to cover Lakota's weakness to light ranged cavalry.

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana yeah, I just cringed when I read the thumbnail title

[@stephenramos9986]

Wakina and forest prowler are good because they cost more food then gold

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

@@stephenramos9986 That's more of a treaty benefit, and not super relevant for most supremacy games. Also, wakinas are still shitty, even in a treaty meeting and in the end they aren't even resource effective either. Nor do they have something that allows them to be easily massed and overwhelm the enemies by force (for example, for melee units it would be high movement speed and creation speed. Even if in a pitched battle with similar numbers or resources invested they would lose, they could still defeat enemies in detail and be effective that way. For ranged units it would be high range plus high attack speed allowing for kiting/poking. But wakinas don't have that. They are just bad)

[@berserker4940]

Deutsche Qualitat

[@dodgyrival8909]

FIRST

[@dodgyrival8909]

First view!!

[@berserker4940]

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[@Klugger]

Red player so lame.

[@Mukoki]

skirm goon games are the most boring games ever and lame in same time