The Ulitimate FR Challenge Z33 vs. S2000 - Hot Version International 2/2

We see how the 350Z and S2000 turn out when tuned with the same concept. Go to gtchannel.com for more car videos and content. Check out the battle between the ultimate NA tuned FR machines with the Esprit 350Z (Z33), Amuse S2000 and Z33.
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[@landrix1372]

I own the 350z and I love my car. But, I have to respect the S2000. I think they're both great cars.

[@EasyTechTrading]

that silver z33 is perfectly tune...beast!

[@tougemonster2535]

why did they stop making BMI and hot version? I always prefer their car reviews over the bias American car reviews

[@ronz6214]

Touge Monster They are still making them. You can purchase their content on the BMI channel.

[@aingaran2003]

great lesson on how important gear ratios are when racing

[@Mocha_the_Corgi]

Good to see the touge monster on a regular track!

[@shinobi1203]

that last clip of the z going through the s corner, the suspension looks amazing!

[@brask310]

That's it! Im getting that Z33 I've been eye'ing out at my local car dealer... screw my R33 lol

[@KingEire]

I bet you regret this

[@fightxer9700]

man gonna get regret so hard

[@jayhawk184]

i love how when the race is over there like "Fuck it Lets Drift :D"

[@bartjanssen89]

I think the S2000 will be the most fun to drive so I'll stick with that one ;)

[@dsportnissan]

@tw06le s2000 and most hondas are crazy in tight turns, just needs a lil more power...amuse did a great job on that z to fend off all the others and just as fast in the s-turns as the honda and heavier

[@caligurl350Z]

See this is why I drive a Z. The potential the car has....the power it already has.....just so much fun :)

[@skatetown100]

one of my favorite episodes~~

[@babyface503]

it seems harder to make a higher power to displacement ratio as you increase the displacement of the engine. the f20/f22 can only get so far with n/a. but you have to remember that the s2000 engine comes outta the factory pretty maxed out. love both cars!!

[@cxbra]

Me too I love Gran Turismo with all of my heart, since the 1st Gran Turismo on PS1! That game is the reason im such a car nut today!

[@harlemkiid149]

good choice,tough choice,v6power in the z33 vs high rev superb handling in the s2k cr. Im not sure which car I would choose.Driven both and s2k had better feel especially around corners but the Z33 definitely has more punch.

[@hoodyman88]

as a nissan fan and owner of a Z33 and s13 , i would agree that the s2k is in a class of its own. its just just a pure sports car in every since. i dnt believe nissan has really ever built anything to compete with the 2sk. s-chassis is a different type of monster. also s2k has forged pistons i heard. and the VE is pretty high stock just a great car i never compare only respect it

[@cxbra]

S2000 and 350Z, apples to oranges? NO WAY! They are the same exact idea transferred in different ways. They have very similar power to weight ratio. The difference is, the S2000 is much more nimble in the corners, but the 350Z has the torque to pull it out of the corner. With the S2000, you have to use the cars momentum to get it around a track. The 350Z style is to point it where you need it and hit the gas. The torque of the 350Z translates better on the street than the S2000, it feels faster.

[@Toki52]

I love all the fighting about which car is better. They are both phenomenal and anyone who posts that one is better than the other is just a fanboy hater. As for the results of this race, 15/100th of a second is the difference of driver skill, not machine superiority as the said fanboys will have you believe. Tsuchiya rarely loses.

[@KennyT033]

@Gred922 in part 1/2 of this series, they said that they kept the Amuse s2k with its previous Touge settings (for tight turns, hairpins, chicanes, S turns etc).. that last long uphill straight was where the Amuse Z, stood any chance of creating some type of lead.. which wasnt very much if u look at each cars best lap

[@datankiskool]

i think it is more because they are rwd coupes from the same time and same price. where i live, you can get a ap1 or a pre facelift/vq35de engine 350z for around 10 or less of they are in normal condition while an ap2 or facelift/vq35hr 350z for around 15-17 grand

[@privatepadilla]

@XenomorphLV426 The SE-R has a %25 larger engine, which is also undersquare. And because of this the Tq and Tq per liter are higher. And the opposite for the Square (or slightly oversquare) S2000 engine. The HP per liter, and the overall HP is higher than that of the SE-R. Its basic physics, and a known compromise between high-reving oversquare vs low-reving undersquare.

[@someguy287]

@XenomorphLV426 I gotta agree with you there, but fingers crossed the Toyota FT86 makes it into production, and ends their dry spell of sports cars

[@KennyT033]

@XenomorphLV426 the 6k vtec engagement is for economy/ mpg... u stay under 6k u dont waste as much gas... once u hit 6k rpm, vtec stays engaged as long as ur mashed on the throttle... there are also ways to tune/lower the stock vtec setting just as with other hondas.. but how many stock se-r's have a 9k redline #LOL

[@PITPIT007]

s2k forever!!!

[@jake5344]

@NSX86R True i had a 2002 S2k with a greedy turbo and while it was fast and nible i just couldn't do everyday things that i needed to do. I had to end up getting rid of it. As a secobnd car in the garage to mod it is amazing but as a primary mode of transportation its not so conveniant

[@cxbra]

That was the hardest BMI race for me to watch, EVER.. It was like watching your dog getting bullied by another dog and you cant do anything about it...

[@privatepadilla]

@Ellisinho9 Hondas deployment of variable valve timing predates that of Nissan by several years. Ditto for the production of the engines in the video you mentioned.

[@Jaredscott89]

No it doesn't. Nissan was the first manufacturer to put it in a road car, they beat the Honda by 2 years, 1987 vs 1989. VQ series engine debut in 1994, F20C was years later.

[@AbrahamLopezSJ]

@ambientflier, power dont matter if your car weighs a ton...on a track, power to weight ratio reigns. Eitherway, this 350z was nice. I still would choose the s2k for keeping up that Close.

[@yadidimeanmaine]

@hoquefarzana - actually that would go to AMG's 6.2L "6.3" as far as production cars go.

[@LonCCP]

And I would like to add to your comment. How so do we go about doing this math? for starters the size of the motor is a variable not the equation. add in gearing perhaps, tire size rotation weight overall ground traction in a torque straight/corner, curb weight, balance, air resistance and drag (@ certain speeds) braking, center of gravity, oversteer/understeer and its relation with the chosen motor/weight. But I am sure you know more about this than the professional teams behind the vehicles

[@ambientflier]

@BlueMetalS2k Um...when Honda makes a V6 that makes 350hp and 276 lb-ft n/a, let me know...Why would Nissan worry about maxing out a 4 cylinder when they can get high hp AND torque by using a V6?

[@trilegdog]

great video! Thanks!

[@chicabobica]

I need that Amuse Z!!

[@Liemciemdk89]

Power to weight were evenly matched. The torque made the difference in a high speed track. The Z can be faster in the corners with 285 in the front.

[@dsportnissan]

@tw06le not true...it's under powered and eventually with a decent driver the Z will over take it, it does'nt shift faster...that would be driver error

[@RWTFska8te]

I love 'em both.

[@shoryukenpower]

Z's decimate all. but u gotta love that vtec. it just kicked in, yo!

[@ambientflier]

Um, Z had bolt ons. Did the Honda look anywhere near stock to you???

[@AbrahamLopezSJ]

Thats precisely why the S2K kept up. Awesome car no matter what anybody says. Oh! N the car is not maxed out! You can always go turbo and max out @ 800hp 8) saw one on youtube.

[@LOLHICRONO]

@BlueMetalS2k Tuned Z Face Off - Hot Version International, s15 had the fastest laptime and finished ahead of the s2000. hello.

[@ambientflier]

@rondar2 They already make a V6 to compete with nissan. It's the 3.7 in the new Acura TL, and it's inferior to the Nissan 3.7 in the G37 by 25hp.

[@MyHandsAreCats]

good choice

[@jasonh3139]

My point is these two cars are not even in the same category. You've got a small purpose made convertible sports car with a small high-revving engine, and a mid sized luxury/sport hybrid type with 2 extra cylinders and 1.5L more displacement. I get that peple compare them because they have similar straight line performance but they are not even close to being related

[@christosGTAIV]

s 2000 and honda v tec fo life

[@ryisthemovie]

@hammertlme Drifting doesn't make you go faster, actually. And the well-being of their tires are much more important for circuits.

[@axsb]

@DcEvoIX im not sure.. im with you about tsuchiya's driving skill, but in this race you can clearly see the power advantage... they were both driving good. take this battle to the touge and the z33 will loose because there is not enough straights to pull away.

[@gtfour93]

@AlbuynoRyen0 - People that can drive fast around corners. Grip driving FTW!

[@weiwei8899livemailtw]

how about with the same weight huh?

[@BlueonGoldZ]

Yeah, the S2000 actually costs more than a 350Z last time I checked.

[@mackdaddie80]

Check out dori dori at 1:18 He is already celebrating !!! Haha

[@sebastian927]

god i love that s2k.... i dont care who won, the honda is beautiful.

[@daleester4470]

Remember type R motor?

[@impreza0109]

@thatnigga54 no it doesn't suck. maybe you have your setup wrong. s2000 is one of the most reactive cars in its era. =)

[@caligurl350Z]

@icandangle Wow you really dont know the potential of the Nissan Sentra SE-R. put just an intake on and it runs in the 14s. Auto-x it keeps up with many cars. Just a couple of weeks ago at an auto-x event, a Sentra SE-R was battling it out with a Ferrari 360 spider for position on times.

[@ghettojeddo]

In Japan, did they only utilize the 2.0 displacement motor? I wonder if the extra 0.2 liter displaces in the AP2 US version with the same mods would have changed the outcome

[@ThaneDukeHeineken]

ghettojeddo Japan AP2 also had 2.2L

[@jake5344]

@NSX86R Ya i know what you mean man and i hear that the new owner of honda says that he has no plans of making a sports car in the future or at least a v6 sports car. Honda will loose a big fan base with this decition

[@WhiteCharisma]

Do you know anything about the Z? The generation before the 350z, the 300zx was TWIN TURBO -_____-

[@daleester4470]

B Weeeeeezeeeeeeyyyyy remember gravity basics with weight

[@ambientflier]

S2000 is smaller and lighter than a Z, hence it doesn't need as large of an engine. Convertibles Z's are even to an S2K, while the hardtop ones are faster.

[@BlueonGoldZ]

Nissan can create a high revving, high compression 4 cylinder if they wanted but they chose to go the V6's for their performance cars. I find it disgusting that Honda makes a 4 cylinder and actually prices higher than the Z.

[@devilgene3154]

BlueonGoldZ becuase its easier and more practical to go faster on that platform. Simple means more reliable not to mention they are lighter.

[@ambientflier]

Um, yes...and what does the previous gen Z have to do with THIS video?

[@s.w.4174]

Damn that Z sounds soooo fuckin raw and good!!!!

[@datankiskool]

not in japan based on my knowledge. from what i remember is that honda just upgraded the torque and stuff but kept it 2.0 but i could be wrong

[@Jaredscott89]

@@192lalo The Jap S2000's always had the better suspension.

[@GuiltySiNz]

S2k did awesome but Z33 is beast. plus i got one too lol.

[@hoquefarzana]

I have a JDM S2000, its a very good car, for a na engine car it has the most hp in the world, stock that is.

[@dualCranKy]

@IAmTheRealAsif Well, i was dreaming of Porsche's. Then got a bit realistic and wanted a Supra. Then wanted to drive the Camaro of my dad. In the end i bought a Honda and am saving for a S2k. Happy ending after all.

[@icandangle]

@caligurl350Z The Nissan Sentra SE-R is alright, I'm partial to the s2000 seeing as i own one, but i must say i'm also a fan of the Z.. almost purchased one until i got the S. At least Nissan has a nice lineup up vehicles, what does honda have now, the CR-Z? Lame.

[@DcEvoIX]

they should switch tsuchiya and orido and battle again orido is a truly amazing driver but I always root for tsuchiya even if he's racing against the car I love more and I love the s2000 more and I think tsuchiya's skills will make a difference

[@z9d0]

I bet Orido had the most fun :)

[@DrHistoryV]

I sold my 2007 350z hr for a 2008 s2k, best decision of my life. Power isn't everything, honestly the s2000 is much more enjoyable and feels faster.

[@evertsstals6861]

how to honda s2000 hp?

[@MauYeah]

Orido drives the S2000 amazingly hard.

[@datto240z]

the 350z killed it!

[@C0NT3NDER]

both cars are good. s2k is a fun car and would beat the z350 in touge but since the track here is in the z350's favor, it takes it to the finish line. any of these car is good. it all comes down to the tuning and driver.

[@dicktp]

@IAmTheRealAsif Good choice :)

[@hammertlme]

looks like they should be drifting on some of these turns. Why aren't they drifting??

[@rondar2]

this shows how succesful the s2000 is 2.0 I4 engine keeps up with 3.5 V6 just imagine honda making a sports 3.5 V6 engine. i guess they would compare it with supercars then

[@G3LDY]

@BlueMetalS2k when honda hold the fasted roduction car on the nurburgring then we'll talk ;)

[@KennyT033]

@Gred922 some people drag, some people track/touge/drift... its obvious that even though drag racing in a straight line can be fun and exhilarating; doesnt require as much skill as racing in a track/touge/drift event... i like the Z but theres something about that 9k redline that makes me choose an s2k

[@TakumiUnichi]

The Z was lucky because it did't up against the J's Racing s2000.....still i go for the s2000 for its light weight body and high rev motor....in a track or street racing,s2000 is a monster....

[@geek77rus]

S2000 is amazing, 2.0 vs 3.6 and very close in terms of performance. I'm more impressed with the Honda in this case.

[@Jaredscott89]

Basically a maxima motor in those Z33's. It wasn't until 2008 that they got an actual high performance built engine in the VQ35HR.

[@gtcelica5164]

Lol s2k is overpriced like 4times... Z33 is no1 homie. S2k trash

[@teonesterov9141]

@@gtcelica5164 If it's so good, why did one of them lose to a small 2000cc no-turbo Honda?

[@gtcelica5164]

@@teonesterov9141 s2k lost to sti so Z33 defeated STI, r34 gtr 600hp and more shitboxes from fast and furious on touge (bestmotorong)? Explain this? Even keiichi said more times that handling in Z is from other planet. Keep ur peasant brand honda away its in rang with opel in quality etc... Where did Z lost? I remember every time when dk drives Z33, defeats something like NSX R lol... just watch newer videos... lol your mighty nsx r lost to a legend, but u can't really get rid of cheap hondas lol. U got times in this video. FD, S2k, e46 m3, Rx8 and boxter porsche is in same competition with z. Watch even european tests. Z holds 1st place. If its faster than 600hp gtr mcr tuned r34 its easy to understand, s2k is just miata. Honda is just imposter. Nissan is first brand that got variable valve timing systems, 1 year later honda decided to make shitec... ohh yeah did honda got constant vvt like 350z? Nope, cuz its so cheap brand its almost GM now.

[@vitalioz]

2.0L kick ass

[@daleester4470]

🤔💬Remember weight????

[@banhmi7762]

2.0L v4 vs 3.5 v6, you do the math. If s2000 can keep up with that z, that's freaking amazing. Imagine the s2000 was 3.5L, it would kill the z. Hands down.

[@FOURTEEFIVE]

but then it would be heavy just like the z

[@kenpachizaraki8015]

The only person have to do the math here is you..please understanding power to weight ratio principal before do any stupid argument and 1 more thing..S2000 is Straight 4 Longitudinal engine type NOT A V4 like you said..

[@DcEvoIX]

@axsb Yea I think the s2000 has a better build it's balance is amazing but the 350z is very quick in the straights and tsuchiya is to good of a driver to see it's weak points in the turns I am an ex g35 owner and I will say they handle very well but they are heavy and a little skidish when they are up in the power band in turns the s2000 just grips so much but they are a little slow with out 4.7 gears and a mild turbo or semi built but I agree put them in a touge and say bye bye 350

[@oyicu]

drove the s2k cr, my buddy and i frickin love that car, he was thinkin to actually get cr but the dealership wouldnt lower a fuckin penny, so he went and got a 335 bmw ahaha

[@carmodifire]

Well, there was 2 nissans and only 1 honda. But I wanted the Honda to beat both...

[@CafeQ8]

@IAmTheRealAsif HAHAHAHAHAHA, S2000 FTW!

[@LonCCP]

Thank god... I was starting to lose faith that anyone actually knows shit anymore. if countless professionals (including the companies themselves) placed and created these cars in the same class, then maybe they know better than trolls on the internet. Half of the people here are butt hurt because their s2000 lost on this particular track. Well be happy to know that most autocross tracks it would win. However every track consisting on longer sections/high torque would favor the z.

[@brask310]

NISMO 4 life!

[@Ellisinho9]

@christosGTAIV and guess where honda got ``VTEC`` from. NISSAN. search VVl vs VTEC

[@XenomorphLV426]

Fuck Honda, they no longer make true performance cars anymore. They are becoming just like Toyota; boring and bland. At least Nissan still has some soul left in its cars, and judging by the amount of Nissan tuners/drifters in Japan--most would agree.

[@tauseef7061]

AMUSE S2K is the best!

[@jagymeister]

Video name says Ulitimate... :)

[@jasonh3139]

You're comparing a 2.0-2.2L 4 cyl to a 3.5L V6. Plus the Z in this video has 40 hp over a stock Z. That considered, it shouldn't even be close. The S2000 is the purer sports car, and more fun to drive :) convertible Z's are slow and hideous

[@VideoHead9001]

respect to the Z's. but IMO, the S2000's are more enjoyable cars

[@Imreadingthisaloud]

oridos the best driver there

[@hoodyman88]

@NSX86R honda needs to stop bsing and present something fresh

[@AlbuynoRyen0]

Who needs cars that can turn corners? Drag Racing FTW.

[@jezwah]

@raulillo724 is that meant to be a VG33DETT ?? like a pathfinder motor, with 300zx twin turbos and twin cam heads ??? roflmao - unless i am seriously confused - wtf ? there is no such thing. go play NFS or something