The ULTIMATE beginner / returning player guide to UNDERWORLDS!

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[@Fishmode]

Thanks for shouting out Spent Glory! And thanks for doing your part to bring new people into the game

[@steve1170]

Great video! Thanks!

[@AgentsofSigmar]

Cheers! Hope you found it useful 😊

[@ajtame]

The worst thing as a returning player is the rules changes, feels like every season these days they mix up loads of rules and I have to re-learn it from scratch almost! I wish they added in a page to the rule book that just says "here's whats changed since last version"

[@AgentsofSigmar]

We have emailed the UW team to suggest that they do exactly that.

[@Fishmode]

I have you covered! Here’s my article that has exactly that spentglory.com/2023/05/25/help-im-a-returning-player-what-do-i-need-to-know/

[@Fishmode]

On the Spent Glory returning players' guide I have a summary of exactly that! Just scroll to whenever you last played and I summarize the rules differences

[@ajtame]

@@Fishmode I didnt know that existed, thanks

[@michaelinOZ]

That's a valid point. I didn't check, but are the latest rules available somewhere? I don't want to buy another box just to get theses...

[@jordanbeard6687]

As a returning player to Underworlds this was helpful to me, TY for compiling that into a simple video and for the links to the resources. Underworlds is a great game, but the deck building aspect put me off of playing tournaments because I could never seem to optimize my deck. I am looking at maybe trying tournaments now using the basic Rival decks.

[@foyble]

Thanks for the terrific tournament you ran at the weekend guys. Everyone had a brilliant time and I can’t wait for the next one!

[@AgentsofSigmar]

You're welcome! And thanks for coming!

[@CallumM27]

Fantastic video guys, its inspired me to return to the game. I stopped playing after the beastgrave starter box and have kept all my old warbands and cards. Hoping to start playing again if anyone at my local club wants to give it a go.

[@AgentsofSigmar]

Hooray! And welcome back. It's a great time to jump back in!

[@Nortic111]

I'd really like to get back into this game again, thanks gentlemen!

[@Fishmode]

I have a returning players' guide on Spent Glory that might be quite useful for just that purpose!

[@AgentsofSigmar]

You are very welcome

[@JavlinVII]

Thanks for making this. Just got into Underworlds myself, and I'm currently devouring content. Would love to see some videos on how to use older warbands with newer decks.

[@Fishmode]

It's not in video form, bu on Spent Glory I have several articles by season that talk about potential deck pairings for each warband and general strategies to try, with links to some deck builds where appropriate. Maybe you'll find something good there!

[@JavlinVII]

@Fishmode thanks for the recommendation. I checked out the site and have been deep diving through the warband reviews. Not sure if you're affiliated with Spent Glory, but if they did a podcast recapping/updating their articles, I'd be a fan. Between work and family it's hard to find time for reading, but I can listen most days at work.

[@Fishmode]

@@JavlinVII ​​⁠hi! I am the primary author and while I probably won’t repeat all my stuff I. That format, I am part of the Underworlds Underground podcast. You could also check out the What the Hex podcast for stuff that’s somewhat similar to what you read on Spent Glory

[@MaterialSquid]

excellent channel

[@AgentsofSigmar]

Thank you!

[@Dj_PushStart]

Wonderful guide, thanks gents.

[@AgentsofSigmar]

You are very welcome!

[@b-tron88]

Just got into this game. Thanks for this video.

[@AgentsofSigmar]

You're welcome! If you have any questions feel free to ask!

[@b-tron88]

@@AgentsofSigmar Do you have any good webstores that might have the old player cards? I was given garreks reivers and magores fiends but I don't have the cards, ha!

[@AgentsofSigmar]

Unfortunately there aren’t many stores that sell old cards. EBay or similar might be your best bet 🤞

[@AgentsofSigmar]

Unfortunately I'm not aware of any. We jumped in at the beginning, so have never needed to do so. Sorry! I believe there are some FB buy and sell groups, so you could try there. @@b-tron88

[@AgentsofSigmar]

For casual games you could aways used Underworlds DB to print off and sleeve proxies.

[@SciFiPorkChop28]

@6:30 - format discussion - very helpful!!!!

[@AgentsofSigmar]

Glad you found it useful 😊

[@mattbruce475]

Thanks lads. Will be directing a few peeps to this vid. The best youtubers talking about the best GW game. Can't go wrong. :)

[@AgentsofSigmar]

Aw thanks! Your cheque is in the post 😀

[@theDackjanielz]

ive always loved underworlds, i stopped playing because the prices kept going up along with the rules kept getting more complicated - however recently ive got back into it with the new Rivals format its much easier now than ever and alot more fun too. I very much enjoy the universal deck sets they're thematic and entertaining and much more balanced n fun than the old system.

[@AgentsofSigmar]

We agree! Rivals format and the fact you no longer have to chase cards makes it a much easier game to follow.

[@donpumpui]

Thanks for this. I am thinking on getting the rivals of the mirrored city box, but in the meantime. I have Garrek's reavers. If I understand correctly I can play them if I use the cards of one of the latest rival's deck, right?

[@AgentsofSigmar]

Correct!

[@AaronOfYell]

Very interesting, thanks. Are the warband card decks that come in the starter sets fully formed rivals decks or are they missing anything important? I had the old Sepulchral Guard set, is it worth buying the starter set to get the new cards for them?

[@AgentsofSigmar]

They're fully formed decks.

[@paulboudybizard487]

When you play nemesis can you take any nemesis deck with your warband to deckbuild or are there precise nemesis deck that you need to take ? Like for instance if I play the morgok's krushas can I take any nemesis deck or are there one that they are obligated to take. Thank you for your videos they are amazing and have a great day.

[@AgentsofSigmar]

Thankyou! Glad you enjoyed it! 😊 If you want to stick to what’s “legal” you are limited by what rival decks are currently in rotation (as specified in the GW documents) but other than that you can use any rivals deck alongside your warband deck to make a nemesis deck 😊👍

[@joncha-cha-cha1173]

There are still rules on building a nemesis deck. Like AoS said, you take one warband deck and one Rivals deck (sometimes known as universal deck) and build the nemesis deck from the two decks. The other rule for building a nemesis deck is that no more than half of your objectives can be surges and no more than half of your power cards can be gambits, ie 6 surges max and 10 gambits max.

[@paulboudybizard487]

@@AgentsofSigmar Thank you very much that helped me a ton

[@paulboudybizard487]

@@joncha-cha-cha1173 thank you very much !

[@SciFiPorkChop28]

Fantastic re-intro... I would like to pick you and your fans minds' though... my ONE issue with Underworlds is the dice... they... just.. are.. so.. swingy.... is this just a fact that I have to accept... and just play knowing nothing is set in stone... and that's how it should be? I do feel like the new updates about activations help a LOT with a single charge that just flops when the dice go sideways... so is that enough of a reason to re-try Underworlds again? Or if the dice bother me that much, should I just stay away and collect the models purely to paint up when one warband catches my interest?

[@AgentsofSigmar]

A best of three usually helps levels the dice out a fair bit.

[@thecommuterzombie]

If I already have the old Sepuchral Guard and Farstriders warbands from prior editions, is there any way for me to get the new cards for them? Seems a bit wasteful to buy the same plastic again.

[@AgentsofSigmar]

Unfortunately not. And yes, I agree, it is very wasteful. I'd love it if GW brought out the cards separately or allowed printing and sleeving of those cards for those people who have the first iteration

[@thecommuterzombie]

@@AgentsofSigmar appreciate the response, thanks for all that you guys do for the community.

[@AgentsofSigmar]

You're welcome!

[@theDackjanielz]

i do sincerely wish they would do a re-release of older warbands, the models can still be accessed but the cards they should remake into the modern age. One thing i regret is i missed out on the Gnarlwood release and id like to get those Darkoath guys and sons of velmorn but they cant be found anymore, damn fomo.

[@AgentsofSigmar]

Yeah. I think there are lots of people in your position and would appreciate reprint.

[@damiangaunt8784]

Apart from gw saying so, is there any reason not to allow older universal rivals decks? The only thing I can think of is that the oldest ones from Harrowdeep aren't very efficient. I'd allow any rivals deck, just like any warbands. Concerning warbands it's the season 1 and 2 warbands that are tricky because they are only missing 3 objective cards...if only there was a way to update their decks.

[@AgentsofSigmar]

There is no reason really. Like you say, so far it has been self selecting, as before Gnarlwood the rivals decks were under-powered. It will be interesting to see if GW keep the same rotation pattern when decks like Tooth and Claw hit two years old.

[@TheWarder500]

Im still a little confused about the Nemesis Deck building. This is how i understand it to work, but im not sure if im correct. When you're building your custom Nemesis deck you get to pick cards from 2 decks, the 1st being the specific 'rival deck' that belongs to the Warband youve chosen . The second deck you can choose cards from is any 1 single "universal" 'rivals deck', and only 1 universal deck. From that 1 universal deck you can only use the cards in it that have a "universal" card symbol on them, which effectively only allows you to really pick from maybe 50% of the cards in the "universal" 'rival deck', since half of them or so are NOT "universal cards", but rather cards that belong to a specific faction. Is that the correct interpretation? I guess im just surprised you arent allowed to use any "universal card" from any "universal deck", as if they were just one giant pool of cards you could just draw from.

[@CrusadiaIX]

So the latter idea you described is one of the core reasons Nemesis deckbuilding works the way it does; it ensures new players aren’t required to spend potentially hundreds of dollars chasing down old cards to keep up with long time players. There is a format which uses every card in the game, though I can’t remember its name.

[@AgentsofSigmar]

Sorry. Didn't see this notification until now. As CrusidialX says. There is a format that allowed a wider ranger cards under the "Relic" rules - Championship is a further subset of this that uses the last 2 years pool of universal cards. Whilst Championship has it's ardent adherents, Nemesis has become the most prevalent format because of its easy of access. Underworlds seems to attract more casual gamers and Nemesis format is the sweet spot for a lot of them. A little bit of tactical deck building without the continual card chasing associated with CCGs.

[@CrusadiaIX]

I would never have been able to convince so many of my friends to try Underworlds if it hadn't been for Rivals format. It's incredibly useful to be able to say "yeah it's all in the box" when usually tabletop miniatures games call for books and mats and terrain.

[@TheWarder500]

@@CrusadiaIX I realized after a while why I was getting so confused. I had bought a few larger box sets already and I failed to realize at first that only a few of the extra card decks that come in those box sets were actually “universal rival decks”. Most of the extra decks are just decks of lots of universal cards. After watching more videos I finally realized that they only release a handful of true universal rival decks each season, I think there only 5ish per season. So the total amount of universal cards you get to choose from is actually quite small, compared to the actual amount you end up collecting if you’re buying a lot of sets.

[@AgentsofSigmar]

In the first 4 or so seasons the cards in the box were just universal cards rather than rivals, it’s only been since gnarlwood that the cards in the boxes have been specific rivals decks. I believe we did cover this in the video but maybe we could’ve made the distinction better but previous seasons are usually much harder to get hold of now due to limited print runs

[@GH-zv6br]

Could you not just buy the starter set and then get the extra rules for say magic from hmm I don't know, some sort of website?

[@Fishmode]

The rules are free online from GW so that's absolutely an option

[@AgentsofSigmar]

Yes we do mention that on the video but you won’t get any dice and will have to find some second hand on eBay or somewhere else

[@GH-zv6br]

Ah I appreciate. Sorry if I came across snarky@@AgentsofSigmar

[@joncha-cha-cha1173]

The warbands decks from the starter sets don’t use magic nor they come with Rivals decks that use magic, so you wouldn’t need to worry about not having magic dice. However, if you buy a starter set and then buy a stand alone warband outside starter/core sets, you can still use the non magic dice and swap the symbols for the magic symbols. I can’t remember which represents which but I think you can treat Hammer as Bolt and treat Swords as Swirls.

[@petec1396]

Yeah you could do that though it is a bit of a faff

[@ed8869]

pros speaking to beginners - who could ask for more?

[@Dj_PushStart]

Wonderful guide, thanks gents.

[@AgentsofSigmar]

Thank you!