The Ultimate Calarts Style Callout: Why History Repeats Itself (with Sailboat Stoat)

[@DelhiWacky]

🚨 *PSA TIME* 🚨 im black. just figured it'd be important to know. enjoy the video :))))

[@sgtpepper91]

it's not.

[@princewellidk]

You sound white

[@mvwil]

Thank you for your service Soldier

[@watchforever1724]

Lol

[@AmonTeiwaz]

@@princewellidk What's "white" about his voice, exactly?

[@chompchompchangbin]

A lot of the time, John K is the IRL version of "Old Man Yells At Cloud." A broken clock is right twice a day. Lol

[@maxleon61702]

Some facts.

[@aporue5893]

people just weren't ready for his animation [upopularopinion] 🤷‍♀

[@mr.goblin6039]

What I dislike about the stupid CalArts style criticism is that most of the time the shows people complain about have nothing to do with CalArts. Like... Rebecca Sugar didn’t go to CalArts. Gumball is made in Europe. I’ve seen people call the She-Ra reboot “CalArts” and was confused cause it didn’t fit the “style” most people complain about. The “CalArts Style” is just a buzzword. Literally just “thing I don’t like” from people who see studios and creators use similar popular styles and think there’s some conspiracy about how the industry has been “usurped” or some dumb shit like that. It stopped being about the character designs being too similar and became about whether the shows had things the people critical of them didn’t like or where offended by.

[@GNAAAAAARRPP]

I've seen the She-Ra reboot and it doesn't even follow the cal-arts style. I don't understand how that would even remotely be cal-arts

[@mr.goblin6039]

@@GNAAAAAARRPP It's literally not, but characters not looking like anime or some early 2000s action cartoon automatically means it's CalArts. I've also seen these people stretch the definition so far as to include Netflix's Castlevania in there. Now, that show is VERY much not ''CalArts'', but considering the types I've dealt with on social media claimed it was because Alucard was bi and there were lesbians in the third season, I realized the term stopped being just about art styles and more about literally ANYTHING these people dislike.

[@tobiodeyemi5274]

Wait till they find out old cartoon creators like butch hartman, craig mccracken and steven hillenburg went to cal-arts.

[@mr.goblin6039]

@@tobiodeyemi5274 Oh, a lot of them don't know how many of the cartoons they worship were made by actual CalArts alumni. To them, CalArts is just a buzzword they learn to throw at shit they dislike.

[@tobiodeyemi5274]

@@mr.goblin6039 and to make matters better i just remembered the guy who made dexters lab went to cal-arts too.

[@aloftmelevar]

this video is powerful. these unproductive discussions in the community take place while hundreds of cartoons get overlooked.

[@CaptainBZarre]

Absolutely true. And it’s even worse when these discussions are literally the only aspect of the show that finds attention. This is speaking as a ThunderCats Roar fan.

[@barrycreation6476]

I second that.

[@sofaking7045]

@@CaptainBZarre thundercats roar is woke garbage that no one gives a fuck about

[@matti.8465]

@@sofaking7045 Using "woke". That's all we need to know.

[@sofaking7045]

@@matti.8465 yea that cartoons fucking suck and anime is what sells.

[@TotallyGoodatGames]

I'd just call the style "beanmouth" and leave it at that. I just don't like the art style.

[@the-np4mr]

No

[@MagnusForce2]

This video is amazing. I've always found the "Calarts Style" thing to be asinine at best and destructive at worst. It's frankly a pointless discussion driven by a refusal to examine old popular cartoons as critically as modern shows and an ignorance to the nature of trends. Cartoons have ALWAYS followed certain artistic trends (anime, 80s toy-driven shows, the UPA/HB-inspired shows of the late 90s/early 2000s), and TBH, it's totally harmless. Also, Sailboat Stoat's little rant/speech at 37:10-39:20 speaks to me on a level I really can't explain. It's just all so true, and so many cartoon fans need to hear it. I do genuinely feel that a lot of people in the cartoon community match her description as bitter, jaded, cynical misanthropes clinging to nostalgic childhood memories and otherwise dismissing all kids' cartoons that aren't part of it as mediocre garbage. They're honestly the exact kind of people who to me really shouldn't be watching silly lighthearted kids shows and should move on to stuff like Breaking Bad or The Sopranos. They're people who IMO are too old for kids' cartoons in the true sense of the term - mentally, not physically.

[@breanimator]

This video is so important. As someone working in the industry this really means a lot discussing this. It's really sad when the general consumer just utilizes "Cal Arts" as such an insult and end all be all term for " Thing bad" in animation. The blatant harassment that some industry collogues have gotten or the sadness some folks have felt because people jump the gun and call the show lazy and people don't know what they're doing, etc. It's okay to have conversation but going so far as to threaten people, harass the students at the school etc... It's too much, it's really sad. Stoat and Delhi you guys had a really great nuanced conversation and I hope more people see this and learn. The industry is always changing, trends are always fluid and that's okay.

[@barrycreation6476]

One thing this video taught me is that the majority of the “cal arts” complainers are not true animation fans. They are just looking for something worthy of discussion because they find joy in ridiculous drama. Hopefully, they will see this video and look for something more worthy of their time. Great video.

[@sofaking7045]

youre right they watch anime which is much better and has all genres of story telling from super heroes, slice of life, gardening tutorials, motorbike racing, while western animation is the same potato people making funny fart jokes.

[@spookiest_ghost3463]

I know this is from two years ago but this still holds up SO well, great points, good arguments.👍🏾

[@benzj]

This is such a massively important video and I really appreciate you (and Stoat) taking all this time and energy to make it. Ironically, in some ways, animation discussion has taken on the increasingly reductive levels of iteration that those who discuss animation argue the series themselves have. This 'argument' is perhaps the most logical and expected conclusion of that process. (Well, until someone finds the _next_ lowest common denominator to define a decade of discourse!) Appreciation for something is only successful and proper when you're willing to dive in and take a look at its intricacies and come to a respectful, nuanced, logically sound conclusion or discussion point. I for one will continue to strive to learn more about what I love and try more new things with an open and fair mindset -- and yes, in the process, try and get more people to learn to read!

[@plaroshiexploshi4661]

Ok I feel like the Calarts style doesn’t make a show bad It really matters how they use the style like ok ko it uses a kind of calarts style but is also heavily inspired by other styles and animations like sonic the hedgehog and a tad bit of anime making it look ok

[@Fatih_M177]

In my opinion, the cal arts stlye only looks good if it fits the show, It's hard for me to imagine what Clarence, adventure time or Regular would look like if they didn't have the "Cal-Arts" Style, but other shows, it just looks super generic. Also, i dunno, i always hated when people's counterargument is "Most people didn't go to cal-arts" so what? That doesn't really change anything other than making the term "incorrect". Or how they would say stuff like "older generations had style trends too" which was true up until the late 80s and 90s, where styles had A LOT of variety based on what the show was about. The whole CalArts stuff just seems dumb in my opinion, like i dunno why disliking a bad style has to be this controversial XD. Anyways good video!

[@Ardhamon5000]

Honestly I couldn’t have said it better myself. I discovered this video a couple weeks ago but I absolutely love how level-headed and unbiased you are discussing this topic. Honestly after thinking about it as much as people have their preference for what art style they want in a cartoon it does no one any favors bickering and arguing with each other or tearing each other down over a different art style. The fact we have people who have gone so far as to spread rumors about different creators or even straight up arguing with them on social media is absolutely sad. The unfortunate is that we have people in the cartoon community who are definitely very bent on wanting to go at each other’s throats for whatever nonsense or are overly emotional for whatever reason.

[@Steamuch]

When it comes to grading CalArts animations, I describe adequate works as "CalArts Style", while subpar ones go by simply "CalArts". These two groups are followed by next categories: "Pencil Tension" and "Asset Tension". - In Pencil Tension, it important to masterfully telegraph a strain/stress put on character's shape in motion, regardless of intensity. Many of today's CN character exaggerations lack such property, making the motion look akin to toying with Ellipse Tool in MS Paint; = Second is "Asset Tension". Lion-O from ThunderCats Roar trailer gives off the same uncanny vibe that was described above: a stack of stiff, smooth and glossy shapes moving together at same pace in a straight line makes me see a blob of colorful bubblegum, of all things. Compare this to another case of obvious asset manipulation - Wilt (Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends). While viewers spectate the simple bending and stretching of basic shapes on screen, some of Wilt's gestures feel way too natural due to a very subtle acceleration/deceleration of every element Wilt is composed of. This concept was later explored in The Amazing World of Gumball.

[@kootunesscrewy]

Tbh, I just have mixed feelings with this bean style in my opinion. But I do agree. This war is getting old.

[@harriyanna]

wait, he had cat named what now!!!?????

[@MatthewChenault]

In my humble opinion, the art style in question is one that has been streamlined exactly for corporate promotion of TV series. Much like what we saw in the 80’s with the simplistic animation for a lot of TV series promoting toy products, we have much the same reoccurring once again. Now, that does not mean the art style is, itself, bad. Rather, the issue is how commonplace it has become as a means to expedite the production process. It becomes such a common trait that it results in those corporate entities not taking risks on other, radically different art styles in favor of a template art style that can easily be saved in the cloud and easily reutilized again when need be. After all, it’s a lot cheaper to just use one very similar art style for several different shows than it is to have one art style for one show. I think that is where the general issue comes about, though I do agree that it is not the only issue with modern programs. Rather, I think the far more pressing issue than generic animation styles is the politicization of cartoons by the show creators themselves in order to push a specific, political agenda rather than being a form of genuine entertainment that distills moral lessons to the audience that can be universally understood.

[@MatthewChenault]

Ah, 4-Chan. We must always mention them.

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Reddit and 4Chan are interesting websites but they are more questionable stuff happened.

[@Joey7Z7Horror]

Today I learnt that CalArts actually stands for an art school of animation for California. That's just great. A usually disliked art style is now known exclusively for California and this state gets more shit yet aga

[@dragoon_jump3804]

Video was both informative, and funny as heck to listen to. Merry Christmas

[@cmcynic_]

after seeing people freak out over Turning Red's artstyle on twitter this video hit me like a truck lol

[@C1NDR0N3]

yooo two awesome creators coming together

[@tm43977]

Meanwhile in Anime it still thriving

[@ArabKatib]

@6:36, I never watched nor cared for any of those shows, I still love other older cartoons though. However, if the fandoms of these IPs of today knew what I knew and experienced what I've experienced, I don't think they'll ever touch any Calarts style cartoon ever.

[@CaptainBZarre]

This is an excellent video and I strongly suggest anyone who views this video watches the entirety of it, because both Delhi & Stout make a very compelling argument against both the term and how it gets in the way of actual criticism. There’s so much media out there that you could be getting into and wouldn’t even take much effort to give a shot, but you’d rather waste your time complaining about something not being how you remember it. Move on, try new things, let us have this, and we’ll all be happy.

[@Kittenfox_55]

Does the bean mouth thing really shouldn't matter all that much, The mouth is constantly moving so it's never really in one shape for very long.

[@CaptainBZarre]

It never should have mattered to begin with.

[@Kittenfox_55]

@@CaptainBZarre Your right

[@toomanycrowns]

I used to love the mean-spirited animation fan reviews as a teenager because I just wanted to watch someone explain why something doesn't work, even if they didn't explain it well, and I was a lot more nitpicky then too. I became pretty averse to this way of thinking because I realized it was unproductive and just, very mean. Disliking something is perfectly fine, and being a petty hater can be fun, but being harmful about it ruins the fun in the first place. The way people literally act like these artists burned down villages is crazy. (I can't stand Mr. Enter now, wtf is bro talking about 😭) You're one of the few animation fan KZbinrs who are empathetic to the process but still critical in productive ways! It's a breath of fresh air to be honest lmao

[@TwistedDanns]

29:44 what this dude said was so backward ass that it made me laugh. Also, don't downplay China. Scissor Seven is cool.

[@toon4thought]

"No offense to Chinese people, but Chinese animation companies suck."

[@watchforever1724]

Too bad that show is niche

[@watchforever1724]

Well thundercats roar got cancelled this year so I guess people will probably forget why this show existed as the years ago by.I mean people didn’t want the show run that long like teen titans go like 296 episodes for this show .I don’t mean to hate but come on if this keeps up its gonna be at 10 seasons

[@Lio_Convoy]

It's pretty much yet another piece of fecal matter that is the poop-pile of WB's handling of the franchise.

[@watchforever1724]

@@Lio_Convoy nobody cared too much for it

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

Thundercats Roar is even worst than TTG but look at the bright side, the audience is pretty much correct about their expectation on the show. In my opinion, Thundercats Roar is not just bad because of the terrible character design, but it also because the light and quirky tone doesn't fit the show's darker atmosphere of the 80s cartoon and the 2011 reboot. I'm not much of a fan of Thundercats (despite growing up with the 2011 series) but the fact that the show made a so-called "tribute" of Panthro implied to be disrespectful towards the now deceased voice actor which it somehow alienated the fans with that kind of service. The good thing about Roar is the animation. It's pretty smooth but that doesn't mean the show was saved by the atrocities of the designs and the storytelling wise. Whenever I saw the show on TV, I'll give the "mid finger" to it. Let's be real: Animation isn't dead. That's because the show was bad doesn't mean it's responsible for animation to die off in its demise. There are good animation out there in the West, it's not just getting enough attention.

[@watchforever1724]

@@poweroffriendship2.0 honestly both aren’t that great regardless.I don’t think most western audiences are underrated they just underappreciated.I sorta skipped this show mr friendship

[@phillyphildude96]

Sure enough there’s a lot of those people out, but I feel there’s a disadvantage by completely dismissing it

[@elaynadiedinside]

The people that slander Iron Giant style- Who hurt you? 😭

[@faidou9954]

Still waiting on that Ed, Edd, n Eddy reboot.

[@watchforever1724]

Probably got cancelled faidou

[@lalaland2107]

If it ever happens, it won't ever be as funny.

[@deepfried-dumbass1579]

it wasn’t real

[@TheToonpimp]

@@deepfried-dumbass1579 Thank goodness for that...

[@MatthewChenault]

4-Chan has many arms and their reach is very long.

[@toon4thought]

Wonderful job, you two. We all can learn a lot from this.

[@marcohansel3159]

I loved this! I actually had no idea about the background of the whole discourse and how it came from this shitty dude. Thank you so much for making this! Also that Intro was BANGER, the way the clips mashed together to that beat was awesome, I keep rewatching it haha, what's the music you used?

[@speedforcespector]

I think it's ashame people like a fish and other people use the term to attack LGBTQ,POC,and ect creators in the industry

[@BigK13372]

Part of the problem with people using the Calarts Arguement to criticize modern cartoons is that they adhere to a traditionalist viewpoint that view progress or evolution as an attack on their ideal vewpoints as to what animation should be. The wrestling equivalent of this is when Jim Cornette makes a video complaint on the direction pro wrestling is heading (namely AEW) of which he criticize how modern wrestling today isn’t like the hard hitting and more kayfabe adhering nature of the 80s territories; despite the fact that nowadays every fans/viewers are well aware that the profession is fake and enjoy all the variety that is being presented (the comedy matches, the flippy lucha libre action, the bloody deathmatches, the 20 minute long main events, etc). Its a narrowminded viewpoint to believe the stows can go back to when it used to be. And sometimes we have to acknowledge that taste changes among different generations. There is nothing wrong with looking back in the past and learning from those shows to see what made them so good and how to replicate it for future content; but doing a 1 for 1 translation and expect modern audience will enjoy it is a dumb idea. Why else the 1980s Thing remake is consider the high standards of filmmaking, and the 1990s Psycho remake is utter crap?

[@theburgerking1236]

Psycho was a remake? I didn’t know that. I may be thinking of American psycho and have become entirely confused but yes you raise a good point in that fact. Honestly as natural as change is it can be hard to not feel as though it’s a personal attack against you specifically and anyone who disagrees with you is against you. Times do change across the ages and things that we remember enjoying may not be something that would be any good now looked through the modern lens. So when they say things should be like they were back in the day it feels like they haven’t taken a step back to take note of that.

[@theburgerking1236]

I’m also gonna apologize if none of that makes zero sense

[@BigK13372]

@@theburgerking1236 Don’t worry about it, I understand what you are getting at. First off, yeah Alfred Hitchcock’s Psycho received a shot for shot remake in the 90s starring Vince Vaugn. It wasn’t really well received. Second, I would say the thing with nostalgia is that its best to take it in small doses. There are elements from the past that can work for just about any time period and some that are dated and in need of an update to work.

[@theburgerking1236]

@@BigK13372 that raises a good point as frankly in the past a lot of decisions were made purely out of necessity as the tech back in the day limited how ambitious you could be. And in some sense things that were made in the past are time capsules of the era they were made. Some of them could work but it feels like any time something popular in the past is remade they forget what made it popular in the first place, that can work in its favor on the rare occasion. But it likely contributes a decent bit towards this hatred of advancement as people who are familiar with it only see a bastardized zombie.

[@matti.8465]

People are always going to romanticize the past, and shit on what's new. Of course, not everything new is hated, but if it has some connection to something from the past (like a reboot), it's gonna be hard for people to be open minded unless the new thing is REALLY good (or the old thing wasn't THAT great in people's eyes)

[@smashedcrayonz]

algore rhythm boosting comment more people need to see this delhi never misses

[@amberalvia1101]

The term is bad generalization and a misnomer, no one draws things perfectly consistent, there's no perfect way, TV cartoons in the 2010s have different art styles and draw thrust in the character's face inconsistently since there's no perfectly consistent way. This is 4chan's fault for popularizing John K's term into 2010s TV cartoons.

[@metapuns9004]

I think the number one thing that made me realize the calarts discussion was going nowhere was when people with anime profile pictures would call it "generic". Too ironic. I do think there's something to be said about the crunching nature of today's media machines though... The rise of more simplistic background, bold and easy to create line work, and use of flash-animated puppets is always a stylistic choice sadly...

[@user-lr8ow2jg4e]

While both the anime and cal art style may be over done, the cal arts style is dysgenic in every way. It's a SHAPE based art style that limits the SHAPES you can use to pretty much circles and straight lines. Basically all the corners are cut here. It has no volume to make up for lack of shape variety and no shape variety to make up for lack of volume. Because of this the character designs become too restricted to make any sort of dynamic pose. That's if the story boarders know how to use a line of action. Similar thing happens for the facial expressions with the completely circular eyes and bean shaped mouth. It's an ART style for Animation that defies all rules of ART and ANIMATION.

[@sugarsmile7852]

Something to watch while eating sandwiche

[@dylaninpieces2]

I really wish John Kricfalusi would be put on trial for his crimes.

[@itskevinjustkevin]

today beanmouth tomorrows corporate art style animatio Edit: I 2nd that, I meant to say corporate globalist art style, With the tiny heads and disproportionate bodies

[@harlock.café]

would like to mention that thundercats roar has such artistic identity, the color palette is mesmerizing opting for pastel colors, the visual comedy is on point and the animation in general is very cute and gets really smooth at times mark my words because this one might become a chowder in a couple of years, we’re just too pissed off at the lack of variety in the channel to notice 🧠

[@ilan_profile]

FINALLY! A video talking about this theme that is informative and give valive points! Delhi you did a great job with this, u deserve more subs 💜

[@vicefaun2316]

this is a really well made video

[@BugsyFoga]

Ill say it before and ill say it again ,The calarts style is just term to fool the simple minded on thinking just because a cartoon has a somewhat similar look to others it means they're exactly the same .

[@pippo17173]

It gets annoying when people cant seem to form a argument on why they dislike it without going to *its cal art so its woke and sjw bullshit.* look I hate woke bs but it shows that some people cant really debate :/.

[@watchforever1724]

@@pippo17173 yeah I know what you mean

[@mr.goblin6039]

It’s literally just a buzzword. Most of the show people call “CalArts” aren’t even made by people who went to CalArts. It’s literally a term that only makes sense if you don’t know shit about the shows the chuds call “CalArts” and just believe them at face value.

[@pippo17173]

@@mr.goblin6039 The buzzword as far as I'm aware, Is use to say a show look lazy and cheap but then I ask, why not explain why its cheap and lazy?

[@watchforever1724]

@@mr.goblin6039 lol 😂 yeah I know what you mean

[@offbeatkiki]

Stoat I totally agree that the term Adventure game isn't informative! I learned so much about the whole CalArts thing from this video. You two did an amazing job and I hope a LOT of people see it! Also, y'all make me wanna draw myself for commentary videos...

[@offbeatkiki]

Lmao not the Dub skit xD

[@edith-gd8kv]

i clicked on this vid cuz i thought the thumbnail was Sans undertale

[@heinoustentacles5719]

what was the point of that school shooter bit? Just to build negative associations with people who use the term?

[@theburgerking1236]

People seem to think whenever something gets popular every company wants to reproduce it for themselves which is my personal theory as to why the bean head style appears so often lately. It’ll likely pass within the decade. Just as things do. Cal arts style also seems to imply cal arts to be the be all end all of animation in the west and...it really isn’t. A lot of the big names in animation that we have heard about did go to cal arts but again it’s not the be all end all of the industry. And I’ll be honest it’s a very easy way for people to say that something is bad without having to explain their point. It’s a tactic that’s used often and one I’m guilty of myself we all are but this particular one really needs to be put to bed. Just like thunder cats roar. The 2007 reboot ended long before it’s time but anyway I digress and that last point is subjective while I believe it was good I also believe it’s more than a decade too late to revive the show as anyone who did work on it originally...idk why I’m ranting so much. Back to he point, calarts style isn’t very good criticism if you asked me, and has just become memified(tm) into losing any meaning that it once had. (The part about thunder cats roar was a joke, I am indifferent about the show as I frankly didn’t see any of it whatsoever I stopped watching tv a long time ago)

[@haven600]

I have no time for someone that blurtgurgitates "cal arts style reeee" But doesn't want to discuss real teachers harassing students for not drawing how they like or things they'd prefer to look at and threaten to hurt their grades if they don't conform their style to the rest of the students whose parents paid for their tuition. I'm not making this up mass art and risd had students whose final projects had a dumptruck of parent money hire voice actors and VFX and buy music for their kids final rpoject thinking "oh this will get us a big recommendation for our kid to work in a big studio". Cal arts was under fire between 08-14 for this style issue cuz half the teacher would yell at students "STOP DRAWING ANIME" meanwhile the canvas had X-Men or atla characters on it 💀 Teachers from massart risd and calarts would regularly tell their students 1) I GAVE UP AN OFFER TO WORK AT DISNEY TO TEACH YOU or 2)ANIME WONT GET YOU ANYWHERE IN THE ART WORLD. They never conceded "hey this looks great but I wanna see you try some new styles" - no college art teacher ever. (Maybe in the last 2 year but definitely not the majority of 2000's and 2010s)

[@SuperBC64]

Can confirm this to be 100% true from my college experience pre-2010

[@watchforever1724]

Interesting to hear your thoughts on this video regarding what people say about the cal arts style problem

[@sofaking7045]

calarts is a problem

[@sayyestofairness4266]

CalArts used to be such a good school. A lot of great artists like Brad Bird, Tim Burton, and others graduated there. But the problem is the teachers there have gotten lazy, and the infamous "CalArts style" is the result.

[@TCMECH79]

There's nothing unique about the calarts style which is why it appears stale after a year

[@Alicewatertribe]

Yeah the animation industry is a confusing and make love

[@Dabathhouse]

A while ago, I saw a tweet that says to say something positive challenge about Teen Titans Go! Instead of saying nice the easiest way possible, I took it by 11 by giving a shoutout at 3 crew members who still working on the show that I liked on the top of my head. 2 of them noticed and replied back at me, which was such surprise that I can actually do that, reaching out the many artists of the Animation Industry in a positive way. Give them a good support. twitter.com/Dabathhouse/status/1282801410187431937/retweets/with_comments A few weeks ago, I watched Inside Pixar on Disney with they had a writer that came up with the barber scene and character designer with some great tips for any artists for the upcoming Soul for Christmas. It gave me a good insight of how much work they been working hard on this one. So it's better for anyone to low their expectations a lot when they go see it. The next time you go watch something before judging anything, do some research behind the scenes of how and why it's like this in the final product. Who these group of people worked so hard on tight deadlines while working on their own personal projects. Give them a shoutout, why don't you?

[@deepfried9036]

What the song at beginning of the video. Please tell me.

[@punaht7736]

I want the name of all of the songs in this video as well!

[@Cattafang]

late reply but the song is reigning fire by cullah-

[@kjtheidiotbloodn]

Here we go

[@Changa_Husky]

I guess as a term it's useful in that I can disregard the person as having any useful opinions about animation or animation history. I can also assume they never watched a single calarts student film.

[@oldman2477]

All cal art characters are descendents of Sans

[@icecreamhero2375]

Before Victor and Valentino looked really good now it just looks ok.

[@innoc4063]

I am Calarts.

[@ReviewYaLife]

30:20 👀

[@WDonut04]

I am but a humble animation fan. I don’t use stupid “X style is bad” arguments and appreciation all forms of animation.

[@kirkrende3935]

Very good, if not a bit preachy and long-winded. My condition is simple: if the story/comedy isn't good enough to activate the suspension of disbelief because the animation style is too distracting, then it is a fail with either a weak story/comedy, an overly-distracting animation style, or both.

[@matti.8465]

I get the term shouldn't be instantly dismissed, but I would rather just have it die. It's use, more often than not, tells you everything you need to know about the other person.

[@matti.8465]

Overall, yeah, there are issues with both sides, but there's a side that's CLEARLY much worse than the other.

[@the-np4mr]

@@matti.8465 No

[@dumbestname]

I just call it Cop Out style.

[@actuallyimapuppy]

big w every time I see you in my subbox

[@thelegoyousteppedon]

I just prefer difficult art styles in my cartoons but it's not a shit look it's a little basic though

[@mvwil]

I never liked John K's style. Not even cause of the molesting thing. But Calarts sucks too. Too soft and it doesn't draw from reality enough. So IDK. Like Miyazaki said, animation has to draw from life most of all. If you try to fit things into human consciousness (rather than mimesis)-in other words, if you directly pander to what the eyes want, everything eventually /inevitably/ devolves into "junk food." It's kind of sad that the west as a whole never found a universal idiom for animation in the same way that Japan has with Anime. Though maybe this was inevitable when you consider the strong emphasis on individualism in our culture. But on the other hand, the cinema tradition is basically the apotheosis of mimesis. In that the camera gives you nothing more or less than what is literally visually perceptible. It's a funny irony that western animated films are considered some of the very best of all time-I mean early Disney and Pixar-and the same is true of early Japanese cinema. Kurosawa, Ozu, etc. These guys routinely make the list for "best directors of all time." Not best Japanese directors. Best directors, full stop. Yet each culture ended up expressing itself most fully in the opposite medium from these early greats. I mean that anime is more normal than cinema in Japan, and the opposite is true in the west, with the opposite effects.

[@cameroniacono2144]

Good video

[@CrowleyBlack2]

How many times are you gonna keep saying nigga in this video?

[@Haildawn]

The Iron Giant is a masterpiece in every way, how on earth did we get to all these bean-faced abominations

[@HUIANkanae_VT]

why do u keep saying "when n-word dont read" am i hearing this right,cuz when i turned on the cc every time you said then n-word it was not showing thats kinda sus bro

[@DelhiWacky]

Son, I'm literally black. There's nothing "sus" about it; I literally explained the purpose and the meaning of the phrase in the video. It's my word and I will use it how I see fit. I understand you don't have a clue who I am and what I'm about, but it's type upsetting to be asked this multiple times assuming the worst when all the context is right there.

[@HUIANkanae_VT]

@@DelhiWacky i was not assuming the worst,and how was i supposed to know u were black like do u think im psychic or something??? and i know its upsetting but you cant expect everyone to know who u are

[@DelhiWacky]

You jumping to assume that I can't say "nigga" and you jumping to "idk sus bro is rude as shit and in context, assuming the "worst" of my intentions. If you were genuinely just curious, you would've asked in a way that's not implicative of said worst. You seemed to already have the answer in your head when you said it.

[@HUIANkanae_VT]

@@DelhiWacky so it seem that u dont understand that when i said "sus" i was talking about the cc i thought it was odd as to why they dont put the n-word in when you said it tf are you talking about.im over here talken about the cc and the only reason why i ask if you were saying the n-word was bc of it

[@DelhiWacky]

What that have to do with me tho? Your first sentence is literally "why do u keep saying 'when n-word dont read' am i hearing this right". If that bit's irrelevant to the CC, why you include it anyway??. You're not making sense.

[@lornbaker1083]

You want to know what good art looks like why don't you go watch The Adventures of Tintin or maybe blake & Mortimer or perhaps the stories of arsene Lupin aka the nighthood all done by cinar animations on incredible Studio that does not get nearly as much recognition that should for what it's contributed to the modern animation world. I don't like the art style but what I don't like even more is the fact that now today's teachers will hate and harass and Bully any single student who decides to do anything that deviates from calarts until that student either Falls in line or the teacher can come up with some sort of fake excuse to get them expelled. Or in more devious and terrible people the art teacher will actively hire other students to harass and Bully the student that they don't like to either get them to leave school or get them expelled from a fight because that is how terrible an evil art teachers are. They think they're Gods. And they will do everything as capable within their powers to control their students. Because these sickos realized that a lot of kids the only outlet that they have is their art but the same time they also realize if they want to control these kids they need to force them through abuse to realize that the only thing that they could ever do to ever get any sort of acceptance is to obey the calarts style that the teacher likes. I can give you a personal example my favourite art style is Belgian comic book style with firm lines and defined yet simple character shapes and a hard angled architecture style for the backgrounds and environments. This was a cartoon style that was defined in perfected by the cinar company. An animation company that made a lot of the cartoons that I grew up with and gave me my love of drawing animation but when I went to art class with the hopes that I could somehow replicate that same style all I got was hate and harassment from my art teacher because I was not following the approved calarts Style. Which made no sense to me. Why is one style of cartoon better than another it never made any sense until I was constantly harassed at, all by my art teacher at which point I realized how large this cancer is. There are so many better art styles out there so many wonderful different mediums and yet the only thing anyone will ever be taught in a quote-unquote art school is that you either do it in Cal arts style or you will be considered a freaking Pariah to the entire cartoon industry. And I say go pound sand up your nostrils to that. I wouldn't hate the calarts style if it wasn't for the fact that constantly slammed in the face at every turn screaming that it's the only be and all God ending on high delivered way to make quote-unquote adult animation cartoons. It's not and frankly the people who think that it is are some of the worst people to have ever existed they are on par with the people who look at a blank canvas and think that it's somehow some sort of amazingly epic expression of an artist. If it wasn't for the frankly Psychopathic way that these people gladly would commit murder if someone didn't like the art style of Gumball or freaking Adventure Time. That's when the idea of calarts style animation lost any legitimacy to me.

[@cawsomeaolin]

Gumball is the only good show with Cal Arts

[@tonytheoni]

Informative and insightful video, but bruh, I really hope you're like half black and not as 100% white as you sound, because if not, casually dropping the N word like 5 times is mega cringe.

[@lalaland2107]

Your voice is baby voice 😂

[@linttastic]

Look I'm sorry but you couldn't pay me to watch "calarts style" shows. I know that people say some of these shows are written well and are really funny, but I NEED to like the visuals too for my cartoons. I can't get past the simplicity of those designs and lack of emotional range in the characters....not like the expressions they get in shows like Grimm Adventures of Billy and Mandy. As a consumer, no thanks...keep your CalArts style shows. As an animator in the industry or other industry professional, it's business and there's other markets to tap into other than the "I grew up with ____ and this sucks compared to _____" audience (admittedly me lol)

[@sofaking7045]

anime is better and diverse. cartoons all look the same

[@catbruhh4805]

lol

[@aloftmelevar]

no they don't lmao

[@WDonut04]

Keep telling yourself that

[@sofaking7045]

western cartoons are written by manchildren and cat ladyes with no children of their own

[@matti.8465]

@@sofaking7045 You're funny.

[@gastonthehunter140]

SJW nonsense