The Ultimate Helldivers Tierlist

[@Ricksdetrix]

Yeah I got a lot of stuff wrong, plus the game updated, making alot of this obsolete. Instead of doing the same thing twice, I went looking for all the most cursed ways to play the game, and put WAY more effort into the video. Check it out. Or else. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZC0q3ynrciKqdE

[@NobleViking4]

I swear if XB doesn't get this game on their console, then I'm switching. So sick of the good games always being on PS

[@SwedenIsCool27]

Btw prone if you want to get near the tesla

[@NobleViking4]

@@SwedenIsCool27 tried that an still died.

[@danieljacksonofficial5107]

Yeah there is so much balance changes they made. I would be very interested to see the rankings of the Quasar Cannon or Heavy Machine Gun.

[@danielrobillard0407]

Age of empire soundtrack in the background nice

[@legionowl6113]

Autocannon bad?... Send this man to a freedom camp.

[@reallyhimongod]

Dude right like tf?? You’re suppose to use it on bots anyway like what an idiot 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@mr.porkchop6377]

I thought that camp was just a dissident rumor?

[@TheEDFLegacy]

​@mr.porkchop6377 It is most definitely a dissident rumor. There is no such thing as a "Freedom camp." Also, while you're here, you and your family have been selected for a free democratic education course! Please have your bags packed, and we will be with you shortly; we have rescheduled all of your existing commitments accordingly.

[@4IndieForever]

I know!

[@boyvol6428]

For clearing enemies that is.

[@gphunter21]

As a auto cannon user, I feel like it deserves higher. It truly is a "get good" strat. But the fact you could destroy radio antennas, spores, out post and hives from a distance is a game changer

[@themaninthehat9139]

It is just a good all around pick

[@beskarbaron6503]

And it can kill EVERY bot in 4 shots or less. Even the AA emplacements. Not to mention it can kill the spawners.

[@Ricksdetrix]

Yeah I slept on the autocannon ngl. My b

[@kokishorttail3471]

It’s a lot better against bots than bugs

[@huora21]

too little ammunition

[@yurasdrake7915]

The resupply backpack also replenishes grenades and Stims. It is all three ground supplies rolled into one.

[@FlickTakFlakAttack]

wait for real?? I need to bring it more often

[@wackjack5667]

Idk if the game also tells you this but you can replenish yourself by pressing 5 using the supply pack

[@yurasdrake7915]

@@FlickTakFlakAttack it will also resupply launcher back packs as well. Auto cannon, recoil-less rifle, spear.

[@Joeyfield0]

that's strange. Maybe it was a bug, but at first when i used that it did not. Used it now and it has a few seconds of display delay but it does

[@B_Skizzle]

@@wackjack5667Or down on the d-pad for PS5 players.

[@Giorgio-sp8fo]

The guard dog rover is single handedly one of the most op backpacks in the game, it easily kills most low tier enemies without any trouble, and it can even kill chargers if it locks onto the weakspot, criminally underrated

[@cameronlabkins8590]

I know it down a couple of points because it won’t stop fucking killing me

[@47575344]

@@cameronlabkins8590 bro lmaooo, it constantly does my job by mercing my wife in her back

[@Fungaly]

Gun Rover for bots, laser rover for bugs. Gun rover is more effective at targeting the individual bots, the ammo is a little annoying though. However, the laser rover, while more effective at clearing hordes of low level bugs, will do a lot of team damage especially when everyone is fighting close together like with bots.

[@gonozal8_962]

@@cameronlabkins8590you have to treat it like a sentry sometimes, like going in a U-shape around it instead of crossing it‘s line of fire. with light mechanic armor, no health boosts and no shield, it killed me once (I mained it before switching to supply backpack, lvl. 20 currently), but most of the time, if it only does one or two ticks of damage, it only kills 15%-30% max, but that happens rarely (like once every 5 games) like friendly fire from eagle strikes/orbital barrages, it’s just a factor you have to be aware of and then it‘ll never kill you and also not hinder you that much either

[@oh0stv]

Underrated? Everybody and their grandmothers are running this backpack

[@CriticalKunic]

Honestly, giving the Jump Pack an F kind of implies the OP didn't really use it. It's 100% reliable, unlike the implied reliability (hold spacebar or console equivalent), and it's ability to by pass terrain elements, or jump to normally unreachable areas, gives it insane versatility when you're on the move. Especially in Helldive difficulty, where fighting is a death sentence. It's often better to have 1 or 2 teammates take jump packs and run around taking out all the side objectives, distracting the enemies, while your remaining party members do the main objective.

[@boynextdoor931]

I do agree that the jump pack is good. But It most certainly isn't a must have strategem in helldives. It depends on the Loadout the mission and the team. 1 player running around drawing aggro sounds fine. 2 players however? Overabundance.

[@3versource]

I just kind of wish it was more like an actual jetpack and not just an aerial boost, but I understand that that'll never happen since it's op

[@LabrnMystic]

Would a jetpack similar to the battlefront jetpack be better? Where you can maintain flight rather than having a launch jump?

[@asparagusoffice]

it's also absolutely essential on full stealth runs, which is why it deserves F

[@leonsixt2744]

The long cd just sucks but I also like using it

[@StirlingCookie]

"Eagle cluster bomb has a hard time killing the lightest of enemies" > Screen shows a 26 kill streak

[@depholade]

SERIOUSLY I was sitting here asking wtf this guy is smoking

[@eidespere]

Yeah, it is the best eagle strike lmaooooo

[@skooterthekid8069]

​@@eidespere hold on a minute its not bad, but definitely not the best. Here are my ranks for all the eagle strikes. 1. 500KG Bomb (Obviously) 2. airstrike 3. napalm airstrike 4. Cluster bomb 5. 110mm Rocket pods 6. Smoke strike (higher if doing stealth) 7. Strafing Run

[@eidespere]

@@skooterthekid8069 False, it is the best.👌

[@skooterthekid8069]

@@eidespere nah It's decent not the best tho, only good at clearing fodder enemies.

[@jar-jarnotbinks7685]

"This video is under review by the Ministry of Truth for charges of treasons"

[@Ricksdetrix]

*redacted*

[@Jman0163]

ALL weapons made by super earth are flawless machines of liberation.

[@pinuppanda6372]

This feels more like a "skill issue" list

[@awkwardllama0509]

Yeah, his reasoning is pretty bad

[@bastiancole3565]

For the laser guard rover, lets not forget that sometimes it likes to obliterate not only you, but your teammates as well.

[@skyleranderson1984]

jetpack is actually really good for those 10 minute destroy nest missions where you gotta be quick. Jetpack plus grenade launcher with light armor and stamina boost lets me cross the map in strides, and lets me stay safe from being jumped

[@KatsuyaSFM]

i love using the jump pack and the railgun just to make myself feel like a mandalorian, just zooming around from spot to spot just to evicerate EVERYTHING for my team

[@MrIvanhow]

Doesn't aim for the exposed weak point of chargers = autocannon bad? "Review under investigation for treason"

[@Acrid_Arsonist]

The Exposed week point dose a fraction of the damage of the leg and you have to dump like a mag and a half into the back of a charger with the auto cannon but due to the stationary reload using more than a mag is a critical failure, however if you hit the back of its legs and not the front use can like 3 shot it so it is a good gun especially if you factor in its utility of destroying objectives I'd say its B+ or A tier and I don't think it can be ranked any higher due to the loss of a backpack slot heavily limiting survivability in higher levels

[@sicksock435446]

The "weak point" is actually fake news. You have to break the armor on the side or leg and then focus it down.

[@MrIvanhow]

@@sicksock435446 You shoot 3 or 4 rounds in it. Then the ass bursts. With that, the charger is slower and will bleed out shortly. Ez

[@Kriiiger]

Its amazing against robots but he must not run it often

[@vectorvictor6181]

The "weakpoint" is extra weak too explosive damage. So its best place for the autocannon. Alternatively you can shooy the back of the legs after it is stunned from a charge.

[@Kapalations]

as soon as he said “the railgun is God’s gift”, i knew it was before the update😭😭

[@PsychicVoice209]

The safe mode was all that got nerfed really its unsafe mode still claps everything I've even one shot bile titans before and well placed shots can still one shot hulk busters and the medium tanks

[@antonyPascual-nq8gy]

On console yes its a bug but on pc nope useless just run a flame thrower for bugs and expandable anti tanks for bots

[@Zeraltz]

@@antonyPascual-nq8gy I still one shot Titans with the unsafe railgun on PC

[@crim1188]

​@@PsychicVoice209Unsafe mode requires you to learn using it is the thing. Now that the weapon is no longer s noob crutch people are crying

[@PsychicVoice209]

@crim1188 fair enough. I never really had any issue learning how to use it except for the few times my mouse would jam and just screw me over

[@NevNeave]

the autocannon and orbital lazer placements are only accurate for bugs imo. for bots those 2 absolutely shred everything and the lazer can even solo entire bases (as long as it doesn't get stuck on a turret)

[@Ricksdetrix]

I kinda slept on the auto cannon ngl, I didn't get chance to try shooting chargers in the back of the leg until I was done editing. I still hate the orbital laser though 😈

[@TheJasonmanguy]

I find it really weird that the laser destroys outposts but doesn’t target nests. I feel like it would be super strong if it went for nests.

[@johnbonargo929]

@@Ricksdetrixbrother you gotta revisit like 60% of these takes, especially the laser

[@dontclickthechannel7949]

Orbital rail cannon can one shot titans and guaranteed charger and hulk kill plus you don't need to worry about placement. I'm literally shocked to see laser at E. It will kill titans and chargers and ad clear and often do both. It also slows all large targets allowing you to easily help by shooting the target. I would give it a B since limited uses and long cooldown.

[@BackwardsPancake]

Yeah the Orbital Laser isn't nearly as bad as portrayed here, although I wouldn't put it in the A tier either. The worst thing I can say about it is that the auto-aim on it feels like RNG - Sometimes you can yeet it into a large bot outpost and it will solo every fabricator inside it perfectly, other times it will waste its whole charge chasing minor enemies. It seems to very consistently wipe out parked dropships on those specific objectives, at least. Also, with how long the cooldown is, the usage limit doesn't feel warranted at all. There is also the weird angle limit that can screw you if you forget about it - Because it's fired from your ship in orbit, it comes down at a much shallower angle when you're at the edges of the map. If you're on a planet with mountains, this can mean that it physically can't reach certain targets if there is terrain or an indestructible building in the way.

[@DouglassVisions]

adding the voice over mess ups made me sub because of the authenticity and the comedy. this video took a lot of work. but it was, as i hope for you as a creative, worth it. goo stuff man. good stuff.

[@Talon323]

I will say while I agree on your evaluation of the autocannon against bugs, it is a SUPERB pick against automatons.

[@Hybrodon]

the "ultimate tierlist" can literally be scrapped and redone, as it means nothing as of the last update lol

[@SirSwagglenuts]

there were literally 8 changes in total excluding ones not effecting the tier list

[@Hybrodon]

@@SirSwagglenuts so there are 8 changes that affect the list. Your point?

[@pkfiremain710]

@@SirSwagglenuts That is not true at all.

[@nemosdadmarlin5916]

@@Hybrodon Shriekers and their hives made autocannons into a B at least

[@JoseReyes-nc4oj]

The orbital laser is super good it lasts for a long time so throw it in a big bot base and itll destroy most factories, AA and tanks/heavies

[@interceptor4049]

I feel like the orbital laser is a very ez way to take care of a robot base. Definitely think it’s way better then F tier.

[@milo4is]

@@interceptor4049 just people with skill issue rating it at F

[@default_liver1641]

yeah i thought most people had orbital laser at the top. he definitely needs to put it higher

[@ハーフ-r1m]

I think it's cuz this guy probably fights bugs 90 percent of the time so his opinions and ratings are all skewed toward their usefulness against the bugs. Like the autocannon is fucking awesome against bots because it can consistently take out hulks if aimed on the eye but it's ass against the bugs.

[@TheSocketshock]

Only issue I have with the laser is it sometimes traces over me and squadmates after taking out a heavy or other bug

[@TheRexReview]

Seeing you put Orbital Laser at F tier lets me know to take every other opinion on this list with a huge grain of salt

[@Fujin-1012]

fr bro the laser is goated

[@nicbarrax76]

Oh man, it's saved me tons of times, so HUGE grain!

[@emptyforrest]

he also claimed the eagle air strike to be bad at killing tanks. when its the only stratagem that can kill multiple tanks in a single call in. it consistently one shots tanks. sucks vs hulks tho. i also feel that he judges the usefullness of all these things soley for its abilit to kill enemies. precision strike and eagle air strike is amazing at dealing with objectives. air strike is easily the biggest S tier strata in the game. i and my friends ALWAYS takes it with us. as it CAN kill just about anything except the heaviest objectives on bot planets such as eye of sauron, but precision strike can destroy as far as i know ANYTHING. nothing survives it as long as it hits.

[@asparagusoffice]

man if two people take the laser onto a bot blitz, the mission's over before it can recharge once

[@RT5ai]

I find that using autocannon, mortor as a distraction tactic (and maybe shield if bots, for the extra time), works marvelously when you are stealthing, drop all 3 (or 2) in an area that overlooks the objective and watch as all the enemies simply leave the terminal unguarded while you do the objective

[@kuzifr]

found your channel from the zomboid content. i’ve been loving helldivers 2 and the fact you are making content on it now is big W

[@starblissed]

Actually insane to me to call the jump pack trash over top of a clip of you jumping out of range of a pack of chargers to flame them to death at your leisure.

[@zow8238]

EDIT: A quick clarification to clear up a misunderstanding. When I say the jetpack is one of the best mobility tools, I don't mean it's one of the best mobility stratagems. It's the only one, of course. But it's not the only tool you have at your disposal to aid in mobility. Things like light armor, the stamina booster, etc. All help you move around. The jetpack just does it the best. Hope that clears it up! 🙏 I'm probably gonna be the only one here who's going to argue in defense of the jetpack. I think it deserves to be at least B or C Tier on the list rather than F Tier as, in the hands of a skilled player, it's one of the best mobility tools in the game, and can turn you into the ultimate skirmisher, leaping across the battlefield like a bullfrog (if you get this reference, i love you) and outmaneuvering almost any enemy. The ability to get to a higher elevation should not be glossed over as an "oh yeah it can do this, but whatever" benefit. This is borderline OP against the Terminids, where hopping onto a high enough rock or crate (if a Charger isn't around) lets you shoot at the bugs with near total impunity, with your only worries really being bile titans, and the occasional tunneler or hunter. You can just camp up there and rain hellfire down on them with guns, stratagems, and grenades. This is slightly less useful against bots, but even then, getting to a higher elevation and going prone allows you to dodge most return fire from the bots, with your only worry being grenades and assault raiders. Hell, one of my favorite extraction strats is to start the shuttle return, find the nearest, highest rock (or building, provided I haven't seen any chargers), jump to it, go prone, and either wait out the hordes of enemies or just plink away at them at my leisure while Pelican 1 shows up. You can also jump over chargers and melee enemies, which is endlessly useful when facing down a horde of those enemies, and the brief burst of speed you get not only allows you to beat a hasty retreat, but you can call in a large AOE stratagem and safely escape its radius without worrying about needing to dive or risk being hit. Granted, each use of the jetpack requires a small amount of stamina, but once you get the stamina upgrade, this becomes far less of a headache to deal with. You also CAN alter the trajectory a little bit while in the air, just in case you might land somewhere you don't intend to. Lastly, a rather niche and underappreciated ability of the jetpack is the fact that it cancels out fall damage from any height as soon as you activate it. Granted, you don't want to brush up against a surface with a ledge of any kind, or you will start to fall like normal, but most of the time, you can leap from heights that would result in wasting a precious stim to fix a broken leg or outright kill you without the need to worry. What keeps it from being S.E.F. or A Tier is that I wish the stamina penalty wasn't so big, you got more height and more aerial control while airborne, and that it recharged quicker... oh, and also that it competes with the almighty Shield Backpack/Supply Backpack meta, which I GUESS means it's lower tier, since it competes for precious backpack slots on higher difficulties but if it were up to me, I'd consider it a solid B tier.

[@snoopymccloud1875]

I agree. I always bring it on bug missions, difficulty 7 and above. It let's you kite enemies forever. If your team ever is out of reinforcements. You can survive for 10 minutes easily while being chased by hordes of enemies. I don't think anything else let's you do that. Being on high ground opens up so many possibilities too. Though I do agree it's bad against Automatons, which is fine.

[@kylejohns2288]

I like it my kit is normally the one use rocket and the jump pack

[@herrfantastisch7489]

It’s super good. Idk why it’s so slept on. I remember traversing with a squad near a ravine, and I was having an easier time. Even jumped over the ravine when we started getting ambushed by bugs. I’d at least give it b tier. It can be niche, but when you encounter a scenario where a jump pack would be nice, boy does it shine.

[@CalamboMamo]

Yesterday I was using it against automatons to see if it's only viable for terminids and I have to say it was way better than I thought. It threw off their aims so it was really helpful when escaping and the easier access to the high ground makes this now my favourite backpack.

[@MistaYellooo]

I only use the jetpack and it's been the best support pack I've ever had compared to all the others

[@BlaidWhiteYo]

I love how u got x26 kills with the cluster while calling it innefective

[@chikirin9349]

if it's 26 light enemies it doesn't really matter

[@BlaidWhiteYo]

@@chikirin9349 crowd control is important so you dont have the annoying little bugs attacking you while you kill the big bugs. Sure if you want more power use the explosive airstrike but the aera of effect is much smaller and doesnt excell as well in crowd control getting you less kills. The cluster can even kill warriors i think

[@crim1188]

​@@chikirin9349- another idiot crying about hunters 2024

[@emptyforrest]

@@chikirin9349 but he SPECIFICALY said that it wasnt even good at killing the smallest of enemies... wich is an outright lie, especially when he shows a clip of it doing just that while he said it...

[@mikefoolery]

you’re a legend for the AoE2 music. took me to my happy place lol

[@SchurigH]

I wondered if I was the only one that freaked out the moment this music set in. The nostalgia...

[@legion5737]

Personal I think the jump pack should be mid D-low C you just need to figure it out and never use it while running up hill. Use it as a way to get out of a large group, get on the high ground, terrain traversal, a way to get behind/out of the way of certain enemies, or as a way to at least double the range you can throw a stratagem without needing to use a certain set of armor. My main loadout is the orbital laser, eagle airstrike, jump pack, auto canon turret(or flame thrower/expendable anti-tank), smg pistol, default grenade, and the scythe(or default pump shotgun/defender smg).

[@D1LL1ONTHRASH3R]

Mans just straight up lied when it came to the Eagle Cluster Bomb Strike. He said, "You don't get any kills." Yet, in his gameplay, he got 20 kills lol. I personally use the Cluster for it's light/medium enemy mob clears.

[@CaymenEditz]

i feel like the smg should go above the liberator purely because it’s a one handed weapon, which means you can use it while holding an ssd card

[@ARTEMISXIX]

You can also hipfire it while not interrupting a sprint letting you fire while running away at no loss of speed. Fantastically useful against bugs where stopping is not an option.

[@CaymenEditz]

@@ARTEMISXIX it’s just overall very maneuverable along with having very similar stats as most other guns

[@fallout1116]

Definitely, as it also does more damage per bullet than the Liberator.

[@cavemanbonk8320]

more damage, same mag size, lower recoil, slightly lower rpm (ironically), and its one handed, i feel likes its objectively better than the liberator

[@MrJamesThe7th]

Including the fact that you can use it with the shield which is equally slept on

[@BackwardsPancake]

On the topic of stealth, from someone who solos missions a lot: In this game, stealth is less about "never being detected", and more about "only being detected once it's too late". It mostly comes down to the fact that, especially on higher difficulties, speed and efficiency are king. The longer you stay in a mission, the larger the patrols and reinforcement spawns get, until you can no longer handle them. The primary objective is to get what you need done in the least time, and you need to learn to recognize when it's faster to sneak, and when it's faster to run-and-gun. Therefore, the most important maneuver to master is to sneak up on an enemy group (Don't overthink it - Just break line of sight with buildings and terrain, or literally just crouch-walk up to them), cut down every unit that can call in reinforcements before they can do so (This means any small human-sized bots, or any bug smaller than a charger), finish off the rest, and then move on quickly before another patrol comes along (Depending on placement, noise may attract them). For larger groups, timing your attack along with an airstrike may be needed. If you mess up, try to contain the situation by ambushing the reinforcements as they drop or emerge - Grenades are great here. Also, remember that enemies are alerted based on what they see and hear. Surprisingly, you can usually get away with firing 1-2 shots to kill one guy in a group (as long as they're not standing directly next to someone else), without everyone else in the area becoming alerted. Instead, the enemies will try to investigate the source of the noise first. This also applies to most hellpod call-ins - You can actually distract enemies sometimes by dropping a supply pod around them, for example. Or drop a sentry, and let it shoot at a group. As long as they haven't seen you, they will be oblivious to your presence and will rush off to kill the sentry, and you can do whatever you like unimpeded.

[@cavemanbonk8320]

yes, resupply, sos beacon, and extra support and backpack items are all great for distracting enemies, havent tried stealth much, but ive learned a lot from when i have tried it. scout armors make a massiver difference as well, especially with bots in my exp.

[@Eseerrowez]

"cut down every unit that can call in reinforcements before they can do so (This means any small human-sized bots, or any bug smaller than a charger)" - This is the part that needs a rework, because if you ever get a bug that attempts to call and kill it, the game will almost always then assign it to another bug and have them attempt, then repeat if that bug dies, which can lead to issues if you are out of ammo and need to reload, the call in will happen before done. So you get screwed if they attempt to immediately call it in

[@kingofbears6999]

yup, stealth is basically avoiding patrols and whenever you attack a base, you are in and out before the drop pod can get there. Basically, sneak up super close, bomb base and heavies, rush in, nade factories, gtfo before drop pods get there.

[@nickbohannon2184]

The call in in general I feel should be reworked. The animation is short, so I feel you should be able to cancel it if you kill them during it before a certain point. It feels really bad to identify they are starting a call, kill them yesterday, and the call still completes.

[@NCG420]

As a person who is looking forward to getting into Helldivers 2 this is going to help me a lot knowing what to run thank you. Just need to wait till my new PC gets here first

[@chrisdiegobaines1250]

I'd ignore the list and try things out. There are inaccuracies as well as Stat changes since this

[@JJ-kc3nx]

as a jump pack main i have to say this: its not a jet pack there is a reason why it is called jump pack. you can jump higher and you can also jump down any high terrain without taking any fall dmg. also you can escape with this thing in a tight situation cause throwing yourself on the ground doesnt help you if you are surrounded so having a option to jump over the horde is also a big benefit. One more point: you can also jump high to scout the area and throw stratagem or greande where you want. i would defo put this on A

[@WitD2013]

Something I think that was missed with the AMR, it can 2 shot hulks with a headshot, has better handling than the autocannon, and has a higher zoom than the railgun, and can still kill tanks. I feel like you're focusing on viability vs bugs in this list. but you toss in stuff about bots occasionally just to pump something up higher or lower. Weapons have massive viability differences between the factions so this skews your list. i.e. flamer being shit vs bots, but amazing vs bugs. I think your tierlist would be better if you had a VS bots and VS bugs tier list because they're both very different in how you approach fights, and how effective some call-ins are. Also no mention of the autocannon being able to do long-range shots to break spawners, which is a god send vs bots, especially if there's a jammer with a factory next to it.

[@stevenhorrocks4919]

Yes. I love the amr against bots

[@SPE3DYEMO]

AMR?

[@DJANG0.]

@@SPE3DYEMO anti material rifle

[@SPE3DYEMO]

@@DJANG0. thanks

[@SilverDwarven]

AMR gang. Underdog gang

[@cabe115]

Arc thrower is criminally underrated. Legitimately the best weapon in the game currently. Best horde clear option in the game once you get the timing down, can kill hulks in 6-7 shots, chargers in 9-10, tanks in around 15, but struggles with bile titans. All the while, you’re destroying 2-3 small enemies if any are left. Not needing any stratagems to deal with hordes (because the arc thrower is too good at it) I can bring the rail cannon strike, 500kg bomb, and rocket pods for large targets. I took 3 of my friends all with the arc thrower, went to Helldivers bugs, and just sat next to two large bases and held out for 30+ minutes. We never had to move or retreat. Everything died before it could get close. It’ll be the meta by sometime a week or two from now.

[@cabe115]

For those wondering how it does in normal play: I typically end up with double the kill total of everyone else on the team. Before you say, “well you just killed small enemies and left the rail guns to deal with chargers/titans/tanks/hulks.” I’ll remind you that I usually have a stratagem off cooldown to throw at the large targets, plus arc thrower does good damage to everything but titans. I wish there were a way track large enemy kills, but my mental math tells me that I’m still killing more large enemies than the average player in my Helldive lobby. All while doubling everyone up on kills, and dying less than the average, due to being able to kill most of the enemies before they get too close.

[@uh4875]

People hard sleep on this weapon. Multiple arc throwers will decimate even elites

[@Shadykilla]

@@cabe115 Probably because the other teammates were running away worried about getting Tk'd by you instead of killing bugs.

[@cabe115]

@@Shadykilla lol, my accidentals are never over 2. And one of those is usually someone running headfirst into an artillery barrage that I threw 100m ahead of the squad. It’s simply the most effective support weapon at mass elimination in the game. Also does better than the railgun on every large target besides biles. But hey, wouldn’t expect you to run it, your favorite KZbinr hasn’t approved it yet. It’s ok tho, he’ll figure it out soon enough, then you can have fun like those of us who are already using it.

[@silverhawkv3109]

If you're able to hit the Bile Titan's head, the Arc Thrower can 2-3 shot it. It just requires a little positioning. And with the recent update, it can 6 shot a charger. It is the best support weapon in my opinion

[@Damoclesiandays]

For everyone searching through the comments for this, congratulations, you’ve found it! And for those who aren’t, what are you doing so far down? It’s hard to live without light down here. In any case, I’m here to talk about the Diligence. As other people have mentioned, you seemed to focus on viability vs. bugs, which I understand can make the Diligence seem pretty pointless. I’m a console player, so I don’t really have to deal with slow cursor following, but I’m here to say my piece anyways. The Diligence is low armor pen, but has a buttload of damage, destroying a warrior’s head in two shots (to put it in your terms.) It also one-shots scavengers, but with all the bug’s movement, I can understand how it would seem clunky. However, that damage is enough to reliably one-shot light bots. By turning up the magnification to maximum, you can focus down the Commissars, (the commander bots that typically call in drops) in any patrol from a distance. You can also use it to surgically remove rocket bots and turret operators with a single shot. With a mag of 20, hitting the light bots in the head, chest, shoulders, legs, or waist will instantly kill it, and if it doesn’t, will blow off limbs, or stagger for a full 5 seconds. This thing is a patrol destroyer, and still has enough maneuverability to reload on the run, and to hip fire mag-dump into oncoming berserkers. The damage is even enough to two-shot Destroyers if you hit their head. All-in-all, the Diligence is a Bot Destroyer, and remains my main weapon against them, even after using the Breaker. All I’m saying is to give it a chance against the bots, and I promise it will feel better. Sorry for the long comment, I tend to over-write like this, and now I’m too lazy to edit or cut it down. Have a good day, and good luck in your next missions, Helldivers!

[@rimanahbvee]

Gives you a smooch on the cheek

[@Damoclesiandays]

@@rimanahbvee I… um… thanks?

[@rimanahbvee]

Thumbs up

[@yasamito]

Yeah I'm on PC and the cursor follows for the Diligence just fine, I snap aim all the time no issues. So I'm taking out entire groups of the little bugs really quickly without reloading. It's so good against the bots that it trivializes fighting everything but the bulkier bots. It struggles a bit against armoured enemies, but then basically everything does so...

[@Damoclesiandays]

@@yasamito it does struggle against the tanks and towers, but can kill hulks, and any destroyer with good enough positioning. 3-4 shots to the head can take out any destroyer, 5-6 to the rocket pods on the rocket versions basically neuters them, and about 7 shots to the backpack of a heavy one can kill it entirely. You can damage a hulk if you hit its vents, but it will take a couple clips at minimum. Alone, you struggle, but with allies, you can tear apart most enemies you’ll be encountering.

[@TheCosmicAstro-]

The "i hope they dont nerf the railgun" part didnt age very well... And now all we have to consistently deal with chargers that isnt strategem reliant is the flamethrower... The rest are either inconsistent or way too irritating to use/have way too large downsides.(eat/recoiless)

[@Sevness]

11:11 Ricksdetrix: "I hope that rather than nerf railgun they bring up the other options to a comparable level." Arrowhead Game Studios: "How about be both nerf the railgun to comparatively near useless, while making the EAT and Recoiless better and stop bouncing as much! Oh, and also make it so those kill chargers easier which is the whole reason we are nerfing the railgun, as it was killing the chargers too easy!"

[@screenteasing]

For the Antimatter or any Sniper in this game I recommend going to the settings and chaning corshair to always visible. Makes a lot of difference in tense situations

[@Ricksdetrix]

Wait that's a thing? God damn. It's probably gonna be alot better when they fix the crosshair though cause it's way off

[@Mathiasnyg]

@@Ricksdetrix I would add that the Antimatter shines when fighting against bots as opposed to bugs. Being able to 2 shot hulks with precise aiming and 1-3 shot devestators is pretty great considering you get 6 mags

[@Laireso]

I think you should give Cluster strike more testing, they are by far best AOE stratagem for dealing with crowds, which are all outside Charger/Titan, and you don't always have room for grenade launcher when you play with 1-2 players that simply have to have railguns to deal with all the chargers and titans. Breaker does a great job of cleaning after a cluster strike if something needed it. I use it in combination with the laser dog for even more crowd control while my friend has the ammo pack for our railguns when we have to run and gun down titans and chargers. I'm finding the guard dog significantly better when you don't have full squad or when the squad doesn't do their part. I love how it just doesn't care how many friendlies it has to beam through to hit the bugs, especially me as the owner, but I've started to notice the patterns whenever I die to it. Most of the time I get beamed when I'm on the high ground and the dog's target is below so ideally avoid high ground, but also be careful on even terrain as it will beam you trying to get at some small cockroach opposite of where the drone is to you so you get caught in the crossfire. Best way to avoid these deaths is adapting playstyle of continuous circling around the bugs when they get close to change the angle of the laser ever so slightly, it re-adjusts itself quickly so it won't cost you must of it's DPS potential and you'll avoid almost all deaths as getting only nicked by the laser won't kill you. While it eats through your stims at increased rate, you'll replenish it whenever you get resupplied and you will need to do that already to rearm your railgun if you use it on every charger and every titan like we do so I feel like it compliments the playstyle the best. I've played games without it and the difference was very noticeable. To be fair this is POV of someone who spent 95% playtime in bug missions, so my whole playstyle is catered around them. The guard dog isn't that good against bots I'm sure, mostly because being in line of sight is a general no-no and it doesn't target enemies further away so it doesn't rack up much damage over the mission, but against bugs it's phenomenal. I can't imagine playing difficulty 7-9 solo/duo without ammo backpack, but I can imagine playing without the energy shield so I'd say ammo is S tier and the energy shield is A tier alongside the laser dog which is just as useful imo.

[@Rellik428]

I did find it funny that whilst saying it doesn't reliably kill groups of enemies he shows a clip of it killing 20 in one strike

[@balinthehater8205]

TBF, the video creator is also a bug main it looks like based on the clips and some of his takes on known bot killers being 'ineffective' because they don't perform against bugs while rating bug killers effective while they are useless against bots.

[@CapitalTeeth]

RIP this list. The day after it was uploaded they put up a balance patch that nerfed the railgun lmao

[@Ricksdetrix]

You can thank me for breaking the meta

[@fallout1116]

Yep. Went from S-tier to D-tier overnight.

[@somedude1887]

@@fallout1116I’m sorry but if you truly believe the railgun is now in D tier then you’re fucking awful at the game and should consider playing something else

[@emii-olii3596]

@@fallout1116 yup. went from one of your only answers to high armor to... still one of your only answers to high armor, but you have to actually charge it now.

[@Rayven_420]

Not saying it's you but I like how most people who complain about the railgun nerf don't know about its unsafe mode lol

[@combineguy48]

the laser canon is REALLY good now with the buff against devastaters, focus that accurate beam on the head for like 3 seconds and it is GONE

[@heart6438]

Jump Pack is top tier, you just don’t know how to use it. It carries your forward momentum, so if you wanna go far you need to sprint a bit first. If you wanna do useless little jumps like this guy was whining about, jump from a stand still or slowed pace. Jump on top of something and go prone and you’ll live forever. Jump over enemies and over rough terrain to give yourself some breathing room. Toss grenades mid flight if you’re feeling like emulating Kobe Bryant. You recover stamina mid air. You can escape certain death. You can place yourself in strategic locations where enemies can’t touch you while you can touch them. This guy just doesn’t have enough creativity or strategy to use it properly or he’d put it in A.

[@godemperormeow8591]

Machine Gun 43 in D. Me: “And I took that personally.”

[@MrTroxism]

Also you : level 5?

[@Wafflehouse71]

@@MrTroxismI’ve seen a level 50 using MG. I don’t know if they were purposely avoiding meta or something though

[@thatsinisterpumpkin]

I always just thought of the stalwart as better tbh, though that might be my preference the magazine size and mobility are a deal maker for me

[@rimanahbvee]

​@@thatsinisterpumpkin stalwart is really fun

[@mosh.4245]

@@thatsinisterpumpkin Stalwart for Bugs, MG for Bots. The MG can actually penetrate Devastators armour and stunlock them.

[@chickensofdeath490]

Are you sure you have 100 hours? this feels more like a "I watched someone play this game and this is whats good" tier list instead of someone who actually played the game

[@fallout1116]

Seriously true. As someone who actually does have 90 hours in-game, this list is all over the map.

[@dalekmasterblaster585]

Feels like he was having 1 to 2 tries at a stratagem and he went. "Garbage, garbage, oh that's actually really good." Than got tips not from others and never figured out how to use those strats effectively.

[@Ricksdetrix]

130 now, and I stopped playing for a bit. I'd say 70 of those hours (and most of the clips) were from the first 2 weeks, when nobody had a clue. If anything the list suffers from me not watching other peoples content. I'm taking it on the chin and using the comments to learn for what I can do better next time at least

[@bigmink1239]

fr, saying the stalwart is s a worse machine gun told me all i needed to know

[@Ricksdetrix]

@@bigmink1239 I ranked the stalwart higher than the MG lol

[@TheTroupeMasterGrimm]

Im surprised that the Hellpod itself didn’t get rated, because it’s low key OP as fuck. If you get used to steering it when you get reinforced, you can kill bile titans, tanks, hulks, and chargers with a single hit if you’re accurate enough. One of the best ways to kill bile titans is to reinforce one of your friends RIGHT under the thing, and then make sure it dosent move too far. If you hit a joint right where it connects to the bile titan’s body, you’re good to go.

[@liamknight2792]

"Gas strike is meh" Says before the strike came down.

[@themadmanescaped1]

PSA: The RR will take out chargers in one hit if you aim for the head. Stop aiming for the legs.

[@comradesillyotter1537]

After a 600 kill game - the laser cannon is slept on It /does/ pierce armor. It pierces medium armor. It is usable at any range and the endless ammo is important during frantic missions, saving resupplies and ammo boxes for other weapons. It very quickly kills chaff and allows you to behead broods and melt hive guards. It will struggle against chargers, unless someone has stripped a leg. Titan bellies are easy to destroy.

[@ARTEMISXIX]

I hope we get some high impact/low ammo efficiency weapons later to pair with things like MGs, las cannons, arc and flame throwers. Some shit like a 40mm grenade launcher instead of a primary would be an awesome backup for our real primaries :D The first game had the CR-9 Suppressor and the PLAS-1 Scorcher that acted like this, would love to see them return.

[@noanswer1864]

The support laser is my go-to for bugs. The only things it won't pen easily are titans and chargers, and all my friends run things that do. If you can guess where a spore spewer is, you can cross-map it with the laser. It's also great for holding things inside a strike zone. It does not kill fast, but it pops heads, trims limbs, and forces hunkers/dodges very well. It's only failing to penetrate if you see it casting a blue/white light show at the point of impact. The armored things that it will penetrate tend to hunker down and try to weather it. They can't withstand it long, but it'll be a faster kill if you shift to the legs once you've got them turtling.

[@TheHoodiedThief]

I watched the whole video. Here are my two cents, critiques, some tips I picked up that eveyone could benefit from. If you don't want to read the whole thing, the short story is that some rankings in this video either lack information/experience or involved personal expectations that resulted in their rankings being lowered. - Anti-materiel Rifle is pretty good at exploiting weakpoints on Automatons. It is not a great weapon, but it is definitely not F tier. - Arc Thrower deserves S tier and too many people sleep on it because of them accidently killing their teammates or disliking the charge up rate. You can one-shot Bile Titans on Helldive difficulty if you aim it above their heads and let the electrical current go through their head and out their ass. In fact, you should always be aiming just above an enemy's head to ensure it hits. The "blue balling" is easily avoidable with good positioning and proper aiming. Plus, its is just generally a good horde-clearing weapon with unlimited ammo and bypasses armor as mentioned in the video. (This weapon combos very well with Jump Pack which will give you the aforementioned good positioning and it will limit the number of obstructions in your view thus allowing the arc to not "blue ball"). - Autocannon has so much versatility in regards to mission objectives. It can take out bug holes, bot fabricators (by ricochetting off the vent), radio stations, eggs, etc. Plus, it can kill pretty much every heavy in the game if you know where to aim excluding Bile Titans. - Flamethrower leaves you too exposed to taking damage from enemies and your own flames. As seen in all of the flamethrower clips, you are taking damage even with a shield generator on. It can be fun and effective occasionally, but honestly the flamethrower is liable to either get you killed or consume all your stims while you're still in arms reach of the enemy. EDIT: New update has made Flamethrower do 50% more damage, so now it negate my aforementioned criticisms. - Jump Pack is a get-out-of-fail-free card when you're surrounded, you can seize the high-ground where bugs can't reach you, fantastic for dodging every attack, and comes in clutch for any situation that requires you to be somewhere you're not currently. Additionally, certain planets have more extreme terrain that offers higher ground like dunes, hills, or mountains which can allow you to cross great distances in seconds which is important considering that longer time spent in a mission equals increased enemy spawnrate. Also, the trajectory is not set; it is determined by your sprint and the direction you are moving. If you're referring to not being able to change trajectory while flying, I say that is not a valid critique of the jump pack's value. Evaluations should look at an asset's advantages and disadvantages, not the preconceived expectations of an advantage. The assessment on Jump Pack was too critical and was clouded by personal expectations. - Orbital Laser is S tier for clearing out bases and other objectives. I don't use Orbital Laser, but I've seen its efficacy at getting mission objectives done efficiently or even clearing waves of enemies if you're in a pinch. - Cluster bombs can clear entire hordes in an instant and your assessment is just straight-up wrong. You say it doesn't reliable kill the lightest of enemies while playing a clip showing it killing every light enemy in front of you. Also, it is the most abundantly available of all the eagle strategems which allows you to be less frugal with how you use them. Not a great strategem against Automatons, but bugs it has great potential. - The Slugger and Senator are very good choices for fighting bots. They one-shot most bots and are great for popping the heads off of the more armored bots. The Breaker and machinepistol are great for bugs, but the Slugger and Senator arguably excel more against Automatons. Everything else I generally agree with or don't have enough experience with to have an opinion of. Good video otherwise.

[@grahamhill676]

This tier list is honestly ass. He's harsh on some weapons and generous on others, mainly because he doesn't know how to use them.

[@TheKatLord]

You can use the jump pack ride enemies “pause,”take 0 fall damage, jump over water or cracks, dodge chargers or nursing spewers, and get the high ground for hmg emplacements

[@Chris11J23]

I love this video! Thank you for the laughs too. 🤭

[@Ricksdetrix]

Hey look the game updated 2 days after I released the video just as I predicted Updated list with your input? (will probably do another list when the next battlepass drops and I've had time to test it)

[@benji7275]

yeah and you praised the flamethrower which got a dps buff lol, might be meta for crowd control now

[@snoopymccloud1875]

@@benji7275 Yeah, I was recently thinking, it happens quite often that towards 3/4 of a mission on dif7 or above, you have an endless sea of enemies crawling towards you, so maybe the flamethrower has a use there. I just wish they would have increased the range rather than damage, because as it is, if you're in range, most terminids are too, and then the flamethrower will be useless.

[@benji7275]

@@snoopymccloud1875 not really since is leaves fire on the ground you can spawn kill bug breaches, it would benefit from a range buff but the damage buff means bugs are more likely to die before they get in melee range

[@krimsonfel3676]

FYI, after the first full charge, you don’t have to charge the arc to full to shoot it. The reason why it sometimes doesn’t fire is due to random in game assets getting in the way, like bodies, shrubs, rocks etc. literally anything. But once you figure it out you can reliably wipe out most bugs by spamming arc really quickly.

[@bravoxray]

Aaaaand of course they nerf railgun instead of giving us other useful options

[@LOLCAT_.]

Thank liberty the rock paper scissors incident isnt in the video

[@Ricksdetrix]

It was on the timeline sped up 64x and it still lasted a good 30 seconds

[@ChaosCube464]

aw, the was really funny

[@tyrantworks9604]

I like to run scout with arc thrower shield pack. If I'm playing with friends, I'll run stratagems that clear out groups of small enemies over armor breaking, that way in combination with the arc thrower, I'm the crowd control menace that racks up hundreds more kills than the others while I trust them with the chargers and titans. Then again, you'd be surprised how much damage you deal to titans when using the arc thrower when they open up their weak spot. I find it more reliable to hit them with the arc thrower than the railgun. Since you have infinite ammo and don't have to reload, while both require you to charge, you're way more likely to have a shot charged up while the titan is readying a blast, making titans sometimes die in 2-3 shots depending on how much damage your team has put into it. Though if I'm playing with randos, I typically run off on my own to search for the super samples, thus running arc thrower, shield pack, 500kg (or railcannon, since having a charger chase me halfway across the map is annoying), and the airstrike. Allows me to handle most medium encounters on my own. Side note, you forgot to tier-list the boosters.

[@helldiversisgud567]

bro run arc thrower with the rover its so good for killing bugs/bots

[@foxx8414]

The anti material rifle is super underrated against Automatons in my opinion. It can two shot hulks if hit in the face (although inconsistent at times) as well as devastators. Comparing to the railgun, it has more ammo (but at lower damage) but is unlocked way earlier I’d put this in A Tier, or B at worst

[@woodle9646]

Is no one going to talk about my man putting the Runescape log in music in this vid? Love it!

[@sadclipius]

Can't believe that this got released 1 day before the patch update WHOOPS

[@joseftangpuz2050]

Dude the eagle 100 M Air pods are a godsend when it comes to destroying turret cannons, and tanks one shot and Hulk if you dont have railguns or lost one cuz someone took it.. Aiyoo you need to test it more. It deserves A tier in Automatons.

[@Ricksdetrix]

I never thought to test it on structures actually, that's a good point

[@WitD2013]

@@Ricksdetrix in my testing, it'll correct itself and aim towards buildings. It can one shot factories and turrets though iirc.

[@Piratederp]

@@RicksdetrixIt also destroys tanks in one go. Very nice vs bots in general.

[@SPJ-88]

I love bringing supply backpack most of the time. The supply backpack not only reload you ammo, but also your grenade and stim. So if your teammate is out of stim or grenade you could actually refill theirs with your supply. Supply backpack can also be a backup storage of supply drop if there are any surplus. As even if your gears are full, you can still pickup the supply drop and replenish the backpack.

[@MyNameIsJames12]

As a new helldivers player I thank you for this service so I don’t waste my D E M O C R A T I C M O N E Y

[@cookiemantv1411]

do not listen to this list at all its both wrong and outdated

[@SebastianFernandez-lh3ki]

The ballistic shield can be good if you use the defender smg because the smg has the one handed perk so you can use both the smg and shield at the same time

[@rhett3185]

Right. I imagine it’ll be even better when we get more smg type weapons to pair it with too.

[@NaturalGarethFan]

Lol, this man really put most of the best turrets in C-E save for the Autocannon, while putting Mortar in B. Goofy I say

[@Ricksdetrix]

Rockets do suck though let's be real

[@NaturalGarethFan]

@@Ricksdetrix I sadly do not have Rocket Turret but that I can agree on, it has killed me just as much as Mortar turrets and I have seen it a total of 3 games. Only good rocket is a Recoilless one

[@fesh4338]

12:00 cultured age of empires 2 ost

[@tylersmith9942]

One loadout i ran with was the All Laser build of the sythe, laser cannon, Rover laser drone, Orbital Laser, and orbital rail cannon. (And with the next weapon update it'll be complete with a laser sidearm) Its a fun little gimmick build where youre constantly swapping betweem primary and support to never stop firing your weapons.

[@SibaLusor]

The super earth ministry of truth declares to never let him cook with tierlists again

[@hechy3782]

This has to be the most delusional tier list I've seem

[@Scarletraven87]

lol anti material sniper rifle as F when vs bots it could compete with Railgun

[@tranquilityhexified]

what's the music towards the end of sentries and emplacements section?

[@BiggieBows1752]

For the 40 minute bug missions, I really like to bring arc thrower, guard dog rover, 500 kg bomb, and orbital laser/eagle airstrike depending on difficulty, laser for thoughtless charger destruction on challenge 5 and 6 and airstrike for quick objective/horde destruction on 7+. This leads to a good solo build where you run off and complete side objectives and clear bug nests while the rest of the team deals with the main objective. Swarms are no problem, and you can deal with anything up to chargers with the arc thrower and enough patience. It can get hard when there's more than 2 circling around, but as long as you remember you can charge up the arc thrower while diving it shouldn't be too bad. The guard rover helps a lot with dealing with the solitary hunters and scavengers that escape your electric torrents so you don't have to waste time shooting them down. There are two main drawbacks: First is the amount of friendly fire the arc thrower and guard dog are capable of, so don't fire the arc thrower if a teammate is within ~50m (longer if a swarm can extend the bolt) and 45 degrees to either side of your target to be safe. Second is that this requires you to have control over the situation at all times; if bugs get too close then the arc thrower becomes useless and the guard rover can hit you, so bring a breaker and medic armor to be able to escape with your life if needed.

[@alexanderschehl281]

Fun fact, the recoiless rocket can one shot chargers if you hit the head

[@VideoMaster40K]

How's the railgun now with the new blance patch?

[@caad5258]

It doesn't kill Bile Titans efficiently, and it's much harder to break the crushers armour, (even with unsafe firing). So the meta has shifted to using the disposable anti-tank against bugs. Versus bots, its pretty much unchanged. Good against hulks, devastators, turrets and tanks.

[@fleezyp]

Arc thrower and flame thrower are both so underrated. They are so good at crowd control and very practical as anti armor

[@tehphoenix7441]

I must say It's unscientific to make a single tier list for both factions, because of how different they play. We need a split tier list.

[@emptyforrest]

yes and no. some things are just as good/viable regardless of faction, and some are msotly only good against a specific faction. and if something is just as good against both then it should get a higher tier than something that is really good against only one. for example auto cannon, wich is not very good at all against bugs imo, its more a good utility tool than a weapon against bugs, but one of the best anti bot weapons in the game.

[@premiumfruits3528]

I'm a simple man. I hear Shamburger, I leave a like. I've been maining the supply backpack for a while now, people sleep on it hard. You can wear it with support weapons like the grenade launcher, AMR, both mgs, and flamethrower and it gives you massive amounts of extra ammo. It gives you 8 extra stims and grenades on hand at all times, it double dips from the resupply strategem, and it refills primary and secondary ammo mags twice as much as the ammo boxes on the ground. One self use will give you 7 defender mags, 4 auto pistol mags, and either 4 flamer canisters or 3 stalwart boxes. And of course all of this can be shared with teammates in an emergency. You're a walking ammo dump with it. And the cooldown is short enough that you can hand out and use ammo constantly and go through 3 or 4 backpacks in a single mission and never feel strained, and it leaves all the random ammo boxes and resupply boxes for your team.

[@joejarosz2432]

It’s interesting, other people on KZbin have different opinions, which is just fine. I like the auto cannon. It’s my go to support weapon for bugs and automatons. I’d put it in S tier. Works well taking out medium armour enemies and can take out heavies in the right circumstances. Does some splash damage for the hordes. Also you can snipe the shrooms, but nests, automaton factories, other objectives. Sometimes from across the map. Love it!

[@matthewgarcia1839]

Wow, I didn’t know that you could self-resupply with the ammo backpack! (Also a recently new Helldiver so that’s great info 👍)

[@IAloneAmTheYapper]

In defense of the orbital laser; throw it down in an automaton camp no matter the size and the only thing you have to do is not die.

[@thetaintedbear4557]

I was so confused as to why I was hearing AoE2 music... looking through my tabs to see if I had a tourney open or something. But nah, it was just this vid. Thanks for that LOL The OST is just too good.

[@ryzntheprotogen]

the 380 is stupidly good, I just wear servo armor and tell people that Im throwing it.

[@seeyditti]

This guy doesn't spill any oil

[@tnb_command4937]

For a pre-update tier list, one solid video fr

[@Reaper-J129]

I started playing 2 days ago and in my experience the orbital airburst is really good! it has a greater aoe effect than the gattling barrage which makes it incredible in whiping an entire bot drop / patrol in one quick go leaving only the heavier enemies for you to fight and even then they'll have one foot in the grave by the time you start shooting. For bugs it works really well at clearing bug holes from any enemies present so you can calmly walk in and close them up with either grenades or support weapons. Add in that the input to call it is : ->, ->, ->, it lands in 1 second and the cool down is super short. And you can just whip this out instantly whenever you need some breathing room. I don't have all the stratagems yet so I can't say I'll keep using it, but for now It's a permanent stay in my stratagem loadout along side the eagle strike. (Note I currently am playing mostly on difficulties 3 to 5, depending on if I'm playing with friends or randoms)

[@AgentSapphire]

I find the 380 to be very effective on MECH bases as they are more spread out. It may not take down all the things but it clears it out so that once the barrage ends someone can safely run in there and grenade anything left over. It's more or less a safety net. It also helps you can sneak up on a blind side, chuck it in, and run away. It's not really meant to destroy everything. Just thin the contents enough so your other tools can break in safely.

[@fear4201]

It’s been 1 month since the game came out and everyone is Alr making teir lists

[@am2350]

"I love that little gun" - Engineer "TF2" Gaming

[@Sb79612]

My load out for 7's and 8's right now is a catch all loadout: Eagle strike for AoE Precision strike to help with anti tank, or if you have someone already as a dedicated anti tank, you can swap this to a sentry. EAT for hyper consistent anti tank (the trick is you use them off cool down if you don't already have an EAT on your person, so every fight you have 3 total EAT's) And supply pack The main bread and butter of the loadout is the Defender. It does consistent, high power damage. EAT on a charger leg and if you hit 2/3 of your mag on the leg and it's down. Very consistent and strong for that. The defender can also be walked with in a direction and shot while walking, which allows retreats to still let you take out enemies. It's a slept on mechanic of it. The last piece of the kit is the explode on contact grenades. These take out the medium armor that the defender struggles with, which the supply pack gives you back 2 grenades per self use. This build also gives so many stims it's crazy. With a max of 12 stims (4 starting, and 2 more per supply pack), you become a walking one man unit capable of any threat. I've dabbled with swapping normal eagle airstrike for cluster bombs and have seen middling success. If your team is light on horde clear, it's not a bad option. I consistently get 15-20 kills with cluster and only ~10 with normal. The extra use doesn't really come into play all that often, but it's nice

[@christianwillmon6616]

Recoiless rifle now one taps chargers to the head, making them a bit better

[@TBSpear]

Honestly, my favourite loadout for bugs especially, is the following Breaker Shotgun MAC 10 Pistol SMG Rover Drone with Laser Flamethrower Cluster Bomb Eagle 500KG Eagle Flamethrowers are great against everything the bugs can throw at you. Really a jack of all trades. The drone gives ample cover for your flanks. I think they were adjusted during the last update. And the clusters and 500kg are fantastic when you are in a fighting retreat to the next objective

[@smy115]

The portal music in the background got me feelin a type of way

[@burgerhat5410]

Last night I was running the machine gun, guard dog rover, eagle airstrike, orbital railcannon, the breaker, the smg secondary, impact grenades, heavy armor that offers 2 extra stims and 2 extra seconds of stim affect, and the stamina enhancement booster while on a suicide mission level difficulty bugs mission. I was able to grab a nice 585 kills and help a lot with the objectives as well. The guard dog rover helps a lot too while reloading the machine gun.

[@mammerman5678]

MG-43 and auto cannon are A tier. A duo running this can control the map. The problem with most KZbinrs takes are lack of implementation. The MG-43 can deal with brood commanders with ease. I’ve taken out plenty of patrols by starting from biggest to smallest. As a machine gunner you’re not there to deal with the big guys, you’re there as crowd control

[@hazelgill5805]

Also other thing that I've found is pretty effective: Recoilless rifle; teammate runs the backpack and a high consumption weapon while you run a supply pack. You get an incredibly high output of AP, especially useful for shooting down strings of drop ships or chargers. It's even better with the new update that makes recoilless one tap headshot chargers, and once you run out of recoilless rounds you get to throw ammo at them and refill their grenade launcher.

[@PsychicVoice209]

A couple takes on this video 1.) The eagle cluster bomb is actually pretty good and can get a bunch of kills (the highest I've gotten is 54), and it's great at clearing areas 2.) The jump pack is also really good. It can get you out of really sketchy situations, and getting the high ground is always nice, and it is also really good at making you go around the map faster, being able to skip gooing down big hills 3.) The regular diligence is also really good it actually follows your cursor pretty well (unlike the counter sniper version). It does good damage (one shots, the little bugs and regular bots, and 2 shots all meduim bots in the face). The variable zoom is great and useful.

[@Chosinn]

A good loadout I've been using is the jump pack, grenade launcher combination. I like being fast and hitting objectives hard, then disappearing. But the main focus is speed and maneuverability with everything you do. I think with a lot of practice, the jump pack can really be effective. Throw in a 500KG strategem and you're pretty lethal. That leaves you with one open strategem slot to play with. I either use the autocannon or mortar sentries and primarily place them on higher elevations with the best fields of fire. I've also found that it's really good at aggro/crowd control. So I'll put on my light weight armor with the extra grenades buff, my trusty auto shotty, machine pistol and I'm juking bugs/bots left and right.

[@MrEmafon4]

Placing the laser cannon in F is wild. It has saved me countless times

[@randomizer6000]

I see your point with the 120 and 380 orbital barrages Counterpoint; Have all 4 Helldivers run those two at the same time, and coordinate your entire squad to call down HELL at the same time “Temper, Temper”

[@ZombieRush22579]

This game has been out for a couple weeks now, and there's already guides, speedruns, and in-depth tierlists

[@liamknight2792]

Honestly going back this guy despite having 100 hours he honstley is using these not as intended.

[@justinwalker4037]

The autocannon is like the finger of god snuffling out whatever you want dead. Murders everything. Destroys hordes and heavy targets alike. Makes the grenade launcher look like a nerf gun compared in range and damage. The autocannon also has crazy utility destroying things on the map (Turrets, nests,). It needing a backpack is the only thing keeping it from SSS Tier, and probably keeps it at the high end of A. It would otherwise just be an auto-pick all the time no matter what.

[@Frappezious]

For the arc thrower in the clip you mentioned it not firing if you don't charge it enough but it was actually blocked by your personal shield. Its likely a bug because when the shield is down it doesn't happen nearly as much if at all. Also, the arc thrower can reliably 3 shot most enemies that aren't Hulkers and tanks for the robots so its much better for bots then bugs. You don't need to fully charge the arc thrower after the first shot and you can rapid fire it by charging it about 75% of the way. You have to learn the sweet spot but you definitely do not have to charge it the entire length.