The Ultimate HoI4 Navy Guide

[@VijoPlays]

Wow this was such a cool video, I should definitely watch the air template or the division template guide now: Air: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYSQdGl8m6qbsNU Division: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJLPdGxumc2sbJY

[@flameguy3416]

> Uses valuable research slots for ships and ship upgrades > Designs baller ships > Makes awesome fleet template > Starts producing ships > Puts first ships in admirals and assigns fleet composition template to them > built ships stay in reverse, not fill in the fleet like it shows > When you try putting them in the fleet, it automatically puts them back in reserve > Never touch navy again > Only produce submarine and convoy The Navy HOI4 experience

[@lunarcultist6214]

The ships in the designer have these funny little icons, like a gun turret, a shield and so on. The template will take the specified class only, refusing the others. That's likely why your ships get kicked back into reserves.

[@bIuebuIIet]

This is cool and all, but there's only two strats to the navy: 1) cheapest sub spam 2) deathstacking the entire navy

[@mattrinck7503]

2 is pretty much what the US Navy did in the Pacific.

[@Uncle1899]

I don't know about that cheap destroyer and a few heavy cruiser always work for me without having to spend much dockyard

[@ChristoffRevan]

Eh, skill issue really...I don't understand people like you always min maxing the fun out of the game anyway, like...why play if you're just going to be lazy and cheese things? Might as well use console commands too while you're at it

[@robertalaverdov8147]

Fleet in being has better finishers. 10% more capital ship & AA attack and decisive battle spirit gives an extra 10% hit chance. Combine with decisive battle head of navy, ironclad leader in the fleet and maybe capital ship advisor and your capital ships become god tier doom stacks.

[@suslu4797]

damn bro you are literally a hidden gem i haven't enjoyed hoi4 videos this much in a while you will go big im sure

[@VijoPlays]

Thanks, this comment could'nt have come at a better moment to cheer me up :)

[@chrispsackett]

@@VijoPlays wasnt the roach design nerfed?

[@jericho5253]

You're a godsend, I've been looking up tutorials as a newbie for a week and you broke it down in the best way I've found possible, thank you so much!

[@VijoPlays]

Happy to hear! If you have any questions, feel free to shoot

[@alik.5990]

This feels like a calculus class to me, but you explained it very easily like you explain it to a 5 year-old. Now I will stop spamming submarines and putting them on strike force 😂 Thanks sir, you just gained a follower

[@quelquunquifaitdumontage1309]

If I have one thing to say is that Base Strike doctrine is actualy noy meant to be played as you said, since it is giving naval bonus for planes, it is very usefull if you want to NOT build a navy and just spam naval bomber, and also, the best ship is a naval bomber, in addition it is giving pretty fair bonuses for submarines so in my case I either go for fleet in being if you want to just pack my big navy to kill everything, or base strike to absolutly kill everything that pass near my coast and also spam sub everywhere, and I never used trade interdiction since I started the game

[@ChristoffRevan]

Just use console commands at that point if you want to cheese everything and not play the game...

[@superwatcher456]

1000 hours and i still need to look at navy tutorials

[@deadboi2249]

Interesting, though there are some glaring issues. 1. Visibility stat is another busted stat for navy (along with speed), which is why Night Fighting is THE option for 50xp thing. 2. For 20xp, getting the defense trait is better for any nations with sufficient capital ships since admiral's defense stat increases armor, except it's only 20% (not 50% for generals/FMs) so you gotta grind an admiral before the big war to actually benefit from the xp investment. 3. Doctrines. Base Strike is only useful if you ignore navy and use NAVs. TI used to be THE doctrine back when it had visibility reduction, but now it's a "tossup" between that and FiB for surface fleet. FiB is stronger but costs more xp, whereas TI requires less xp. Unless you have enough fuel (cough cough USA) the xp issue WILL come up.

[@EineZiege]

Great guide and channel! I believe night fighting to be the best spirit as visibility is used to calculate hit chances and the less visibility you have the less you will get hit. Positioning is very important, but if you use LCs as screens you wont have the larger fleet penalty when fighting other main fleets and if you do get it, your fleet will most likely be so much better that you will still win. Is what i believe

[@vovanbalashov]

Hello) I'm the same math guy who wrote in one of the previous videos. I wanted to clarify how things are going with the applicability of my formulas based on your experience? Already done tests? Do you have any questions? I’ll note right away that if you tried to use them to create divisions, you could see 2 things: some ultra-small divisions seem to be very cost-effective according to the formulas, if you do not take into account the defense and breakthrough stats (in fact, they are terrible) and it's very important to consider how many divisions can fit on the front line. You don't want to end up in a situation where only one division is attacking the enemy across the river. You always need 2 to allow for rotation. But maybe there are some other questions? I recently changed my computer and not all the tables with calculations were saved, but I can repeat them if necessary. I remember that I was confident in my calculations and my tests showed that they were correct. It seems like I had 9 infantry and 2 or 3 tanks in a division. I remember exactly that the width was not too much more than 20. By the way, the tanks were as follows: 1938 medium chassis, Riveted Armor, Diesel Engine, Bogie Suspension, Medium Three Man Turret, Close Support Gun or Medium Howitzer, Easy Maintenance. This is all. For them to be effective, it is necessary to achieve a shield. Therefore, it is worth installing the armor accordingly. If there is no shield, then artillery divisions will be better for defensive purposes (you just need to replace each tank with artillery). I took into account other designs, but before 1940 it will not be possible to make a better tank (unless you rush to tech, which I didn’t do, since I’m not a very good gamer and don’t feel when it’s worth rushing prematurely to tech).

[@VijoPlays]

That's why you store stuff online! Haven't had time to test it out yet, made a bunch of big projects that burned me a bit out of HoI4 tbh, but it'll come again

[@_r4mp4ge_bruder_76]

Bro u talk about how navy works in your mind in reality its way simpler. In the video there are so many mistakes and recommendations which are purly wrong. Visb*speed = makes the hitprofile of the ships. All ships move same speed on the map. What do u mean if u have slow ships ucant catch the enemy?? It lowers the chance but very insignificantly. I have 10k+ hours in hoi4 and in my entire time i never saw a half of the ship designs u recommend. Why u should u even use gun1 when u can use gun2. Heavy attack has a worse hit chance then light attack but a better crit chance. In vannila light atk is way better as long as u dont have the late game rader and fire controll which adding hit chance. Easiest way to land somewhere is by just sinking the enemy ships so talking about a ship which is not good for combat but gives a lot of naval supremacy is retarded. SHBBS are just trash bb3 has more speed and more stats/per ic. In vannila anti sub ships are a delousion they dont work. If u put ur fleet out your ships die. U kill subs with air. Minelaying is the one of the brocken thing it can reduce the naval supremcy to -100% for ur enemy u cant tell me there is no use for this. Automatic split of is bad dont use it. We use ur example: if a carrier is retreating out of battle it cant get hit. If the carrier spits of after the battle is a lon ship which is immediately getting sniped by air bc its a lone ship. A fleet has a lot if anti air a single ship dosnt If u go sub raiding u go middle doc If u go big carrier fleet with like 20carrier ish then obv right doc Or as Ac Else left doc for aa atk and captialship atk U can have more than 4 carriers without a penalty. Spirt of command 1chance of atk 2nd use ur brain if u have enough fuel go whatever u want have inf navxpp 3night fighting -visb is king U didnt understand ship retreat chance.

[@twix-official7329]

yapper

[@PrivatDeutschlandSxynixloll]

I ain’t readin all of that

[@a_4_year_old411]

I like the "inclement weather experience" for my spirit of the navy because one time while playing as Germany, my fleet with the super heavy Bismarck built caught the UK navy in a heavy storm. They couldn't get their planes up and my navy shredded them. Just the thought of a massive storm going on and the Bismarck fighting is awesome so now I always go with that. Should a storm come, they'll kick ass.

[@nphax2008]

This video deserves more attention

[@VijoPlays]

Thanks, no idea why it performs so poorly, but oh well :D

[@furens-aru]

As you have said, speed is important. You can never engage a fleet if they move faster than you, unless you have another fleet to intercept them and stall them. Personally, i avoid bringing BB in my carrier task force or generally any slow speed ships lower than the CV. Slow fleet means more time to get intercepted and airstriked.

[@蔡林翰-v2m]

海軍目前還有三種政策： 第一種：完全的大量船團，最常見的簡單方式，一次性的大量船隻嚇退敵人，撤退的部隊沒有戰鬥力，就是活靶子，如此之外就是靠數量壓制，比如大量的CA 但最簡單設計 第二種：一樣大船團，但是只有CL跟DD，DD就是最便宜的肉盾，CL也是便宜的，主要靠的士兵HP去消滅敵人的生存性 第三種：航空母艦群，完全的空中優勢，需要飛機配合，無疑最少最強的

[@VijoPlays]

Also a full Submarine fleet! Especially Veteran Submarines can easily deal with a large chunk of the Allied navy, since the AI does not know how to counter Subs

[@gurufabbes1]

Extrem hilfreich. Ich danke dir

[@schynobonk]

i checked back on your channel after your air guide and you uploaded a navy guide this cant be real 🙏🙏🙏

[@VijoPlays]

Of course, if I annoy people with a "Subscribe please" and say that I'll make more guides, I at least have to deliver lmao

[@schynobonk]

@@VijoPlays can't blame you if it works lol

[@IMP_ROM]

8:51 5 carriers is more worth it, as yes you do get an over stacking penalty, it doesn’t get crippling until you have 6 carriers. Just make sure to only use NAVs on them. Unless this was changed recently, in which case please correct me.

[@dutchrjen]

My favorite ship: Light Cruiser with level II guns (in all available slots except for the following), one level II catapult, one cheap depth charge. Also, best available engines, targeting computer, radar, and armor. These are speedy light attack oriented ships with lots of detection. AA slot with best AA also helps and best secondaries also helps. Put these into groups of ~5 and send them far out into the open ocean on patrol to raid enemy destroyers and light cruisers sent to hunt your subs. You can add one heavy cruiser to this group for extra power (heavy cruiser focused on heavy attack, speed, and detection). The heavy cruiser would just have level II guns. Combine these light cruisers with a navy that has the best subs available with snorkels and torpedoes and land based naval bombers. Also, combine with trade interdiction doctrine. Also, you can use long range patrol planes to aid in detection. These light cruisers are "jacks of all trades.' They can defeat anything except for enemy doomstacks and naval bombers. However, they can outrun enemy doomstacks and they can operate either where friendly fighters are present or enemy bombers aren't present. I have killed >50 ships with EACH of these light cruisers. Definitely focus on speed and proper placement. It takes some micro to manage this correctly. Some strategy makes the game more fun for me. Late game version can have level IV dual purpose main guns and dual-purpose secondaries for more light attack and AA attack. The reason for the depth charge is so the group does not run away every time it sees a single enemy sub and also to provide more tactical flexibility (and it is cheap). I can use these groups to escort convoys in gaps my destroyers can't reach. For destroyers, I only ever make cheap anti sub ships that have level I depth charges, level I guns, and the best available radar and sonar. I play minors that usually do not start with navies, so battleships, battlecruisers, and carriers are just too expensive and take too long. I do need something to help free my subs from enemy escorts and that's my cruisers and naval bombers. Mine warfare is also important in my opinion for minors to stop naval invasions and hamper enemy fleets on the cheap. The problem with minelaying is that it takes too much research time. If I start with minelaying tech then I will make minelaying cheap subs if possible and minelaying cheap destroyers if the minelaying sub tech is not available. I often convert old subs to minelayers. I rarely spend the research time to research minelaying. If I have enough industry to make quality battleships and carriers, then I've already won the game. The AI (even after the recently dropped DLC) offers no challenge at that point.

[@ChristoffRevan]

So basically...skill issue, got it. Also, impatient much? Tired of people like you acting like navy isn't that good merely because you're too lazy

[@dutchrjen]

@@ChristoffRevan WHAT? What the hell are you writing about? Reading into shit that isn't there?

[@ChristoffRevan]

@@dutchrjen it's ok bro

[@ThreeKingdomsSeshBox]

Good guide but made even better by hearing Maya's theme from P2 in the background.

[@VijoPlays]

Thank you, Comrade Yuri.

[@domschra]

I will combine the utilitarian knowledge of this video with my personal "ooooh, shinyyy" mantra To make the most mid navy in the world

[@VijoPlays]

Ooooh, shinyyy! is the best way to play HoI4 though. Who cares if I can win? Let me get more green bubbles!

[@Nikitaggchd]

Great explanation, liked this video. You also remind me of AleksiB a lot, especially with your accent.

[@brexxxit]

This is a great video, now I just have to hope my mates never see this and continue not to bother about navy, so I can always be the "navy guy"

[@hector11000]

Awsome videos that are realy usefull to understand how the game mecanics works and how to use them well ! Awsome work thanks you !

[@Deroven]

Denied. Fleet sub, anechoic tiles, and sub detectability of 3 goes BRR. 😂

[@raptor6958]

Love the colours on the screen is it some dlc i dont have or your monitor is 4k ?

[@montgom71]

has the new DLC changed they way we should design ships? are technologies we get from special projects now meta?

[@VijoPlays]

For the most part, not really - but I will make a vid on it

[@montgom71]

@@VijoPlays that would be really interesting to watch. i would love to see how nuclear submarines and carriers preform even though they are too late game do be used in an actual game

[@jessevaughan464]

Thanks for the great info!

[@satanwithinternet2753]

damn i just got high and u uploaded. Life's Good

[@VijoPlays]

I'm working on an episode right now and I fear that one is dangerous to watch while high, it's just that fun imo lmao

[@bm8985]

The nations who need a navy, usually already have a navy. By the time you need a navy, its usually late game. Late game maxed put subs on no retreat can sink entire navys. I sank 13 US carriers with just 12 subs while playing as Chile. Quality subs are all you need.

[@jarodhart2064]

Spectactular video, 800hrs in Hoi4 did not know most of this. One question, using Recon LC's with plane catapults, what is the best plane to outfit them with? recons? fighters? Nav bombers?

[@VijoPlays]

You don't put any plane on it. The module itself is just an abstraction and supplies a "plane" (which doesn't exist in the game)

[@AllanGilber]

You should make the timestamps a little more divided. I wish I could just click on a timestamp and go to a specific model you taught on the video.

[@francomendoza7553]

thanks for this man

[@niki8280]

Do the bonuses to battleships in the doctrines also apply to SHBB's and BC's?

[@nphax2008]

Thanks this helped out a lot

[@jolosi163]

Hey man thanks for this tutorial. I was wondering if you could do a tutorial about generals and admiral traits and which ones to pick based on different situations.

[@VijoPlays]

I wrote it down! I'm a bit stuck between A to Z WC and some Country Guides right now, but that's definitely something I could make a video about :)

[@jolosi163]

@@VijoPlays Holy shit. I did not expect you to answer. Thanks man I will wait for it!

[@MonkePlaysGames69420]

What if you don't have the addon for the extra navy research?

[@see_turtle]

Persona music🔥🔥🙏

[@magispitt]

Don't CV also need to be screened by DD/CL?

[@firespark8455]

For the scout fleet, do you even need more then 1 scout cruiser per fleet? I’m pretty sure spotting is based on comparing the stats between the two fleets, so adding more ships with the exact same stats and design would not do anything, and since speed and visibility are large factors in both spotting and being spotted, keeping as small a fleet as possible makes it harder to spot iirc. It also helps you cover a ton of areas at the same time for very cheap.

[@knutderklein9994]

I did like 1 LC (maxed radar & catapult available) 2 DD (maxed radar and/or sonar) per group in a fleet of about 4 LC 8 DD. Make them patrol without engaging and set the heavies on strike force. It does wonder when my japanese fleet with only 2 CV, 2 old BB, 16 LC, 32 DD strike force sunk 4 British CVs and 2 BBs in a single battle. I literally don't know how it worked though. I just thought Japan had Long Lance Torpedo focus and I rushed it then refit my old DDs in strike force to have 2 Torps and my LC refit to have maxed light attack as cheap as possible.

[@filiparvidsson1813]

Very helpful video i must say! I am pretty new to hoi4 so this helps a lot, but i was playing as the USA and was going to researh SHBB but realised i cant. Is it that just some coutrys can research it or do i need to do a focus to get it?

[@VijoPlays]

Every country can. Do you have MtG? It should be the small icon on the top right of the 1936 BB

[@filiparvidsson1813]

@@VijoPlays Yes i have Mtg, maybe I missed it. I will go back and check

[@StudiomcmasterTV]

> Plays the uk and the imperial federation > sets country paths to random > sometime in 1938 the us joins the czech entente > me as the uk getting jumped by america after bangladesh joined the czech entente

[@xxplatinunxx]

before watching this video my navy has 119 submarines and 30 capital ships...

[@VijoPlays]

Already an advanced navy player it seems! Usually people just build Subs

[@xxplatinunxx]

@VijoPlays i was playing the mod rise of nations (lets you play before ww1), these subs are from 1920 and 1922 and have 2 torpedoes and 1 mine tubes, with a level 1 sub engine...

[@TMG-Germany]

Very nice guide. Maybe gets me away feom aimply spamming subs. Though a question: How are Panzerschiffe and torpedocruisers ranking? Kinda wanted to use them when playing germany/Japan, but I struggle to use them effectifly, especially the Panzerschiff.

[@AutoMug-p2r]

Top right: What mod is that???? With world tension

[@kagankorkmaz1805]

just subscribed, very informative videos and great content overall. Also, do you think Navy is important for somewhat minor nations like Turkey, Norway? I feel that it is more important to focus and save my fuel for air and supply overall. Thanks!

[@VijoPlays]

It depends on what your goal is. For minors I usually focus on Holding Infantry > Fighters > Pushing divisions/CAS > Navy - again though, it depends on your goal. The thing is, you can always just steal navies, use NAV Bombers or even wait 10 years once you have conquered the continent to build a proper navy. But you can't conquer the continent without land forces.

[@stormstrom5778]

Does converted cruiser have a use?

[@VijoPlays]

Wouldn't really use it tbh, due to the lack of slots on it

[@makaronczeng]

Why no armor on the HC?

[@davidiashvili1800]

Which mod is that? I mean i cant edit my navy like that it only shows me 4 options. Reliabilty,gun,armour and engine. How can i change that?

[@VijoPlays]

That's the Man the Guns DLC, not a mod.

[@elso19473]

> try to make the navy good > does not see any tutorials > half of the fleet is sunk on battle > never tries to understand navy ever again

[@rjagad]

Hi, are the AI base templates any good?

[@VijoPlays]

Not even close. The AI uses DDs with every module on them, Carriers that don't have slots filled and outdated Hulls. For screens it's okay (they die anyway), but Capitals are something you could even worry about refitting, since they are that bad

[@rjagad]

@@VijoPlays oh ok

[@bruh7895]

Mr incredible spotted top right

[@likelava408]

I saw someone say that refitting your old ships as major nations like japan is more efficient then building an entire new fleet, is that true?

[@VijoPlays]

Yes, the hull is the most expensive part, so if you want to play with an early navy, you would refit your ships to the designs in the video (with earlier guns, obviously). E.g. BBs can be refitted to proper BBs, DDs to Torp/Escort/Roaches, etc.

[@Uncertence]

why no armor on the light cruiser screens?

[@Nagib23_32]

Because it's very expensive (you need a lot of screens, so armor cost stacks very quickly) and it lowers speed. The higher the speed, the less chance a ship will be hit in the first place and the higher the chance it will score a hit on a retreating ship. Besides, armor only protects against secondary and light batteries, as other cruisers will have no issues penetrating it so it's just a waste of IC.

[@asdbg]

What are the mods that make the game pretty? The maps and stats screen?

[@evagelostasios6779]

can anyone please tell me what map mod is vijo using???

[@VijoPlays]

steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2915927333

[@zaenalarifin1226]

Come here because of my navy getting shredded from 100k manpower to 5k

[@Realpersonfrongod]

Bro I literally discovered so much shit about this game holy fuck

[@dengiperion]

Спасибо

[@human_fish3442]

multplayer?

[@tomspektor_pl]

dont work whern enemy is doing destroyers spam

[@sharkymb8552]

just got all my carriers sunk my submarines last game as japan.. so here i am lol

[@VijoPlays]

Were they just cruising around on their own or how did that happen? D:

[@Neagnosis]

"I usually don't build battlecruisers, if I do want heavy ships I usually just use heavy cruisers". Why then does your Strike Force template use 9 battlecruisers? If you're going to do guides at least keep the information consistent

[@VijoPlays]

The template is what you "should" use. I also mentioned that the exact composition does not matter too much, just the ratio of Capital/Screens. Depending on which nation I play (and in what mood I am), I can't afford to diversify my navy, so I do CH/CL spam for the cheaper tech.

[@Valentin_126]

Counterpoint, high quality subs and Maritime Patrol Bombers with full torpedo capacity, works every time and perfect for smaller nations that has little time to build a big navy.

[@seppeldeppl]

Navy is really funny and u can scrap the economy of countries easy. But u can easily stack soft attack on ur light ships and melt through the enemy screens. Especially for Germany, Italy and if u are funny enough even the chinese.

[@gimli197]

cringe bor just use u-boat

[@Itoon-h2z]

Navy is probably the easiest thing in the game.

[@Itoon-h2z]

I literally defeated the Japanese navy as a minor nation with less than 40 ships. Subs plus trade interdiction is OP

[@yoanmelnic1152]

​@@Itoon-h2z ok bud, try playing mp like that then

[@fabianustertius6460]

@@Itoon-h2z submarines are just op, most mp games dont allow them past the III, also i dont find enjoyable just spamming submarines, the navy in the old days was a more fun experience, dunno what hoi4 devs did to it these last years

[@bulkax303]

🗿⃢🗿

[@l--o__o--l]

hey guys it's another episode of what a navy is that everyone knows yaaay But 0 videos on how to use it and gain advantage over enemy bu navy how to micro it how to hunt enemy fleet and destroy it even in ports not worth the watch 👎

[@VijoPlays]

I explained all of that - Spotting Fleets to spot enemy Navies. Death Stack on Strike Force to hunt enemy navies. Gain advantage == build the cheap BB, or destroy the navy with one of the tips. And if the AI doesn't put their boats out, you can also bomb their ports.

[@enderboy4069]

im going to argue and say there are 4 ways to play navy the 1st is when you dont want to research into navy that much and just spam sub 3's on allways engage and decimate the ai navy, the 2th is one i found on my own on cuba which is 5 battleships(no screens and take surface raiders spirit) with the armour you get from the super heavy battleship research along with cheap subs with minelaying, this should be enough to kill the british navy and the mines will slowly kill the subs and slow the enemy ships allowing the battleships (on convoy raiding) to engage their screens and 1enemy strike force (if theres a 2th strike force incoming retreat) ,the 3rd way is just rushing the italians or french and stealing their navy, the 4th is for when you decide to go 35 dockyards on germany and just decide to build the most imaculate navy you can (downside is the ai will never want to engage in a battle since you are projecting soo much supremacy and you wont get a dopamine rush from going into a giant battle between 2 large navies)

[@sharkymb8552]

what to do if AI is hiding their navy like in the 4th scenario. Port strikes?

[@enderboy4069]

Scouting cruisers , port strikes or baiting it out with a smaller fleet

[@VijoPlays]

Number 5: You do what I do and play until 2030, by building the grandest fleet you can!

[@enderboy4069]

@@VijoPlays building a fleet till 2030 only for it to never sees action is the likely outcome😆 tho tbh i would go crazy going to so late since the game slows to a craw for me around 1940

[@-_Athen_-]

hello hello I forget if you say in this video if I should use 4 air wings of naval bombers or something, (Update) I took a look at the vid and you do not say.

[@-_Athen_-]

im not able to get the super heavy battleship nor able to re-create your BB I think the game has updated and changed a bit

[@VijoPlays]

The game has not, I made it in this patch with all DLCs enabled. The Superheavy is researched by clicking on the top right of the 1936 Heavy Ship Hull, there's a small button to research SHB.

[@-_Athen_-]

Can you show with a picture I can’t find that button

[@-_Athen_-]

@@VijoPlays found it :p I didn't see the little Icon is there a super battleship build that you do that isn't a meme ?

[@VijoPlays]

@@-_Athen_- To make a useful one you honestly just have to make sure to stay above 25 knots. Get all your bonuses that you can (MIO + Chief of Navy), and then go in the designer and check that you reach that number. If you do, add more guns, once all the guns are on it and you're above the knot requirement, you start upgrading the guns until you get too low.

[@-_Athen_-]

@@VijoPlays okay thank you!

[@-_Athen_-]

Alright