The Ultimate NO BUDGET!!! 4age | Our Opinion

Mat and I were driving to the location of our previous video and we decided to turn the camera on and talk 4age's.
Hope you enjoy and maybe learn something, please let us know what you think in the comments.

[@NEVER-LIFT]

Tell us what your dream engine setup is, here in the comments

[@GazaStar100]

Bro would love to connect with you, have a 5A and I would to have a chat about the build

[@NEVER-LIFT]

@@GazaStar100 not sure if you want to chat with me or Mat but I'll respond to instagram DM's if I can help

[@SidewaysGts]

A bucket of money and a naturally aspirated 20v 4age revving to 11k rpms

[@nickmark920]

My dream build is to build a 16v 5age (7age destroker) pte 6062 turbo 9200 rpm redline and over 550hp inside my good old Carina E

[@Garage4age]

Blacktop 20v best factory power. but its not really the head itself that makes it better. bigger cams, vvt, higher compression, better intake, better headers etc.. Do the same thing to a 16v, will be around same power. I'm with mat on the 7a thing. not much point unless you do the head work. In saying that, if the same work was done to the head on a 1600cc bottom end, isn't going to be a lot in it power wise, so always spend the money on the head. Really have to have a heavily modified head to take advantage of the stroker bottom ends. Imo 1600cc every time, retain the high rev engine characteristics of the 4age. Head, intake and exhaust are key. a well setup 1600 will smash a poorly setup 1800+ everywhere not just in the top end.

[@mtperformanceengines3508]

The true 4age guru comes out to lay down the facts, I urge everyone to listen to @garage4age he knows alot on these topics ❤

[@mikemikeyee]

Oooo do a chat episode like this with garage4age 👀👀👀

[@85211100]

Hello matte! I’m doing a 7A 20v. Ported head in flow bench and cams. Reading your comment chilled me out! Now i’m 100% sure that I chosed the right path

[@YoShImUrA53]

Same about using the 4A. I really prefer its characteristics to all the comparative 7A builds I've seen.

[@YoungBrown-qh8uh]

I live in Jamaica and I have a 20valve turbo 5afe bottom end. And every time I watch the videos I learn more. Keep the knowledge coming ❤

[@NEVER-LIFT]

Cool, I'm actually surprised with the great response to this video. I'll keep them coming

[@lonedawg90]

Yaadman, which part a yaad yuh deh

[@n0ti5]

what have you heard about that new OS Giken crank that uses bigger rod journal bearings with long rods on a 7age block and it stays 1.6 liter. sounds amazing

[@clemonthopkin4513]

Honestly, all I have is the silvertop/16v rods with blacktop pistons. Ported blacktop head (to the best of my ability), new ported oil pump with the hks spring, acl bearings, 2mm oil restrictor in the block and 4L of oil in the stock oil pan. Also drilled out the stock threads in the block and installed helicoils to ensure I got the right torque on the head bolts. Runs fine so far with no issue. Great oil pressure also. 20psi at idle when hot but doesn’t pass 80psi when at 6-7rpms. All of this is running through the stock auto box. Pulls nicely on both hills and flats.

[@mtperformanceengines3508]

👌 that's ideal brother

[@MotoWot]

I have an AE86 and a stockish big port 4AGE that needs a rebuild, and a 13B (ex-IPRA race bridge port) that needs a rebuild. I priced up cnc headwork, atlantic valves, new cams etc.. from MRP and I can rebuild the 13B with brand new rotor housings for less than the cost of modifying my existing head. I am undecided but I am leaning towards rotary at the moment.

[@juangraniello7626]

Great guys, very useful information and please continue with this type of videos.

[@NEVER-LIFT]

Thanks mate

[@technology42069]

Thats so true about the sharp edge on the ports entry. Headgames does the same thing & softens the sharp edge

[@ae86racer007]

I have the rebuilt 4AGZE and have done all the easy cheap things to try and make more power up top. The dream is a big head (everything to support revs) and a large turbo ontop of the overdriven SC, instant response and fat powers!

[@oneplumpboi5317]

I wants a high-rpm 20valve sooo bad. Seeing Akira Iida's custom 320/312 cams on a silvertop is just insane. Drysumped and makes over 200hp. I don't know much about the reliability, but he's been running 9,000-10,000 rpm for nearly 25 years now.

[@seamusop]

So glad the rod ratio is getting more attention in these engines. Garage 4age has done a few videos on this subject. I would be building a very similar motor to what Mat is describing, except maybe a little less power with more focus on streetability. I already run 4agte on e85 in my aw11 but I would love to run to 9k or 10k safely and really wind out the boost on a turbo. A destroked 7a turbo revving to 9k all day everyday sounds pretty fun.

[@NEVER-LIFT]

Sounds great, I really enjoy hearing other peoples plans, this is a cool one

[@seamusop]

@@NEVER-LIFT thanks mate! Maybe one day I'll make it happen. Keep up the good work with the channel

[@Happyh0b0]

Dream 4age is 16v bp, 13:1, big valve head with all the usual fixings, 193 HV-C cams, itbs, and g4a beauty headers.

[@NEVER-LIFT]

why 13:1? I think by that point you are already in the realm of full time e85 so why not just go all the way to 14:1?

[@SidewaysGts]

So on the topic of a dry sump putting the crank case in negative pressure and making more power because of it, if i can plug in another amazing channel- Garage 4ag actually did a really good test on that, on a 4age no less "Negative crankcase pressure - Dyno tested - Gold 4age" TLDR on it: Made no difference, but still a fun watch.

[@crd-nz_001]

Hmm... The Ultimate 4AGE. Tap Billet Engineering in Australia on the shoulder to do a tall deck (7a) block and run 84mm bores. 20V head - limited by the valve seat throat. Remove and put in bigger inlet seats and valves. +1mm valve on the exhaust. Reshape ports accordingly. The rest is installing stronger components to withstand and support +10,000rpm. The biggest bonus is that the block is now lighter and stronger than stock.

[@ycantifindone]

Ive got a 12:1 NA 20v screamer. Its fantastic in my AW11 beats the socks out of the stock 16v's I've driven but I'd like to do a 16v build at some point with a small turbo. Dreams

[@NEVER-LIFT]

I love N/A power too and I'm in the same boat as you, all the dreams and ideas but no time or money

[@ae86racer007]

More deep dives on engine design and limitations!

[@876octane]

Mine would have to be a boosted 20valve, 1.6L with a MRP long rod setup and dry sump. Would aim for about 500hp peak power on e85. All this in my levin mated to an awd gearbox if I could find one.

[@NEVER-LIFT]

That would be epic, 500hp AWD 4age has been a dream of mine for a long time. I'd like to do it in an ae95 and run the celica AWD system

[@876octane]

@@NEVER-LIFT Yep that's what I'd love to do as well in my ae101 but celica gt4 parts are so hard to find and pricey 😅

[@davegt27]

you guys ever consider a live 4ag pod cast ??

[@syygnis]

My ideal if I built a car with one would just be a simple 7A block, Bigport 16 valve 4A head! Simple and Reliable. Currently K24 swapping an E30.

[@NEVER-LIFT]

That would be great in a seat time car, would go forever

[@syygnis]

@@NEVER-LIFT Especially a street car. At the end of the day I don't think anybody wants to be constantly tinkering but some do.

[@Happyh0b0]

Here's me thinking this guy is constantly right up your ass, then realising it's a car being towed. Also, what a plethora of information!

[@NEVER-LIFT]

😂

[@dannichi694]

Dom from TRP and backyarder got 576KW from a silver top back in 2004. That engine set up was pretty cool

[@mtperformanceengines3508]

Antay and Rob talk about backyarder alot I wish he was still around so I could pick his brains

[@dannichi694]

I still talk to the boys. I have backyarder’s hole setup in my garage. His custom rods, billot main caps, the head,the gold twin rail intake, pretty much the hole set up. The head is on another level. The cam lobs are bigger then a mountain 😂

[@mtperformanceengines3508]

@@dannichi694 unreal I would be keen to see that stuff

[@dannichi694]

@@mtperformanceengines3508 ye sure, got 2 sets of Shalack rods & FWD shalack dog box as well.

[@feral4mr2]

My dream build is rebuilding my current 4ag twincharged setup. But this time new block, head (spare full 4age small port waiting) a bunch of MRP goodies I already have and straight E85 tune instead of the "safe 98 tune I use now.. haha

[@NEVER-LIFT]

Nice, it always takes time but I can’t wait to see it, how much power are you shooting for with your new setup?

[@feral4mr2]

@@NEVER-LIFT only looking for 350-400 HP but a shite tonne of torque! I love the way the torque feels now with the compound setup, want more... 🤪 Current engine is tired and pressurises the cooling system, but still goes hard enough to win class at most events. At the moment I'm trying to make a old bus liveable to keep a roof over my wife and I heads. After all that's sorted with and we have somewhere to live, hopefully I can get back into club racing, use it as it is now and continue saving for a few more bits for the build. Unfortunately the aw11 and racing has to take a back seat and sulk for a while. 😭 4ag ftw!

[@NEVER-LIFT]

@@feral4mr2 Cost of living has been brutal lately I'm feeling the pinch at the moment too

[@MotoWot]

CDI is so 2005. Inductive IGN1A coils can make just as much power at a fraction of the cost.

[@mtperformanceengines3508]

Correct but at some point in power level you can't ignite the fuel off because of the richness needed to make the power, running massive boost on e85 and methanol at some point you will need cdi, hpa covers a podcast outlining this witch is just confirmation to what we as builders and tuners have known for some time now

[@davegt27]

I have some HKS 2 groove 83mm 4ag pistons that I want to use, I been looking for another oil squirter block. I also picked up a 20v head and I am considering pulling down my 5AGZ and putting a 20V head on it

[@NEVER-LIFT]

Sounds awesome

[@keirbrown7734]

prefer n54/n55 build from a m series

[@MRMOPARMAN0426]

Ill have one of each thanks 😅

[@darraghofla9214]

Just bought a Blacktop 4AGE with one cylinder low compression in need of a rebuild for €1,200 (seems like good deal) While rebuilding what can i do to make more HP say (10-20Bhp) on stock ECU . Was thinking new bearings, piston rings, TRD head gasket, Kelford cams if they run on stock ECU???? anything else?

[@ADMaw11]

It's rpm that requires the higher valve spring pressure right? What about boost and stock rpm? do valve springs become a limitation then?

[@keirbrown7734]

id prefer a k20 or a rb30 block with a rb25neo head from a r34gtt. 4age's are getting old and rare.

[@mtperformanceengines3508]

I would also like a k20, I also have one here in the shed I also have a b16 and sr20ve I have a 4age in my corolla hence why the chat, I also have an r32gtr in my shed that's about to make North of 1500hp atw on a promod xpr88 turbo so I love all motors that are sick but this is dream 4a build, if you want to see more about the gtr leave a response and we can do an update on the car 😊

[@keirbrown7734]

@@mtperformanceengines3508 Love the 4age just finding them rare in australia. had a 5agte. Would love to hunt down a good one in JPN

[@keirbrown7734]

@@mtperformanceengines3508 Sorry i shouldnt have been cynical just realised this entire thread was about 4age's. sounds like a lovely spread. I was happy with a 380hp r33 gts-t. thing was a mid tuned rocket. Can't imagine a 1500hp rb26. sounds insane.