The ULTIMATE Sim Racing Beginners Pack? | Moza R5 Bundle Review

[@froggs30]

The ES wheel is now compatible with the R9 V2 base so be sure to buy that version of the base.

[@Lutzilla_]

fits the GS V2 WHEEL on the R5 Base aswell?

[@froggs30]

@@Lutzilla_ yes any v2 rim will work with the R5

[@Lutzilla_]

@@froggs30 thank you!

[@drconflict629]

Why though? Getting the parts separate costs like 700+ instead of the 520 for the R5 package. That's a substantial difference.

[@froggs30]

@@drconflict629 I just meant if your going to buy any of the bases get the V2 version of that base as its compatible with all wheels. i would not go higher then 5nm personally, I had the 8nm Fanatec base (boost kit) and never used it at 100% power I think 5 is the sweet spot, I'm sure others would disagree though.

[@b9bot148]

I just got mine, and it is that good! I upgraded from a G29. Ordered with the brake mod and clutch pedal. All the feedback I get from this wheel is amazing and I am driving better with it.

[@bmackVR]

I just bought this package yesterday. MOZA has addressed the paddle shifter issue you pointed out. My paddle shifters are a stiff and click no matter where you pull on them from.

[@CoyoteRacing]

That's great to hear.

[@j3ffr0ck24]

Have you had any issues with Pithouse? About every other time I open the software it glitches my screen and blacks out. Quick restart of the monitor and it comes back. Frustrating the hell out of me.

[@makavelisreturn86]

​@@j3ffr0ck24 try running as admin should help

[@soca268]

If Moza achieve console compatibility, they will decimate the competition.

[@adamalmqvist1789]

I'll Buy it tomorrow if it gets it.

[@Sir_Jake15]

There's a converter that allows console compatibility

[@soca268]

@@Sir_Jake15 I'd like to see a review on that exact solution. I have said converter but haven't had desired results

[@Sir_Jake15]

@@soca268 What going in with it? Only negative thing I've heard about them is they disconnect sometimes? Been trying to find feedback and am actually about to buy one.

[@soca268]

@@Sir_Jake15 it partially worked. I'm not sure if I did something wrong, but it worked for my controller, but not for the handbrake I was tryna connect

[@HollisonHusky]

Hey Corey - Long time Subscriber here - I've recently bought a Moza R5 after watching you and the likes of SuperGT for yonks and deciding a control pad was holding me back and while I do have an R5 V2, I'd like to clear a few things up following along with your review with my own unit: --For clarity, I bought the Moza R5 Bundle, Clutch pedal add-on, and brake pedal performance upgrade kit from Overclockers UK for a total price of £560 as of September 2023 -While small, the ES wheel certainly does feel really well built, satisfying to hold and use, and does NOT feel like a toy, which most other small diameter wheels do. This thing feels like a solid, professionally built product. -The brake pedal on the more recent units have a higher spring tension, so while they are linear pedals still, the brake pedal is noticably tighter to push down. -The wheelbase itself seems to of had an internal design, component, or operational change as they no longer get very hot. They get warm, however they now also begin to dial back the force when approaching certain temps, and this throttling is very intelligently done, so it begins to happen long before it gets to a noticeable level so you can carry on all day without ever noticing any feel in the wheel. -Paddle shifters are now a little more rigid, so they don;t flex anywhere near as much as the older units. I tried replicating the shifting issue you raised with my own unit and no matter where I pulled the paddle, even if I used a finger nail on the very upper or lower edges, I only had to pull it back a few mm for it to click and register that input. -In terms of wheels, they now offer an ES based McLaren GT style frame, so you can take the control module off of the standard wheel frame and install it onto a different frame. The cost of this frame is only £37-39 on most online retailers, so they are beginning to add options for those with an R5 base that want different style wheels and don't have the budget to spend big bucks. -Regarding Console compatibility, this is still ongoing with the R5 wheelbase, BUT they have recently released the Moza R3 bundle which works with XBox right out of the box. Yes it's less torque, however with consoles, I suppose playing it absolutely safe knowing that there's children that may end up using these, the lower the torque the better. At 3Nm torque, this sits it directly between the Thrustmaster T300 (4Nm) and the Logitech G29(2.4Nm) Love the content as usual, Hopefully see yuou around in the sim some day and have a good battle with you, as long as we're not battling for last place XD

[@X1erra]

You did great telling me about larger and heavier wheelrims using R5. I guess I have to go for R9 after all.

[@aboemusic]

Feel like I should have taken some shrooms before watching that intro... very chill music :) Also, since this vid was released, it seems, the R9 V2 IS now compatible with the ES wheel. AND the release of the Formula Wheel Mod means there is at least a cost effective option for those who prefer a formula style rim. Great review BTW. Balanced, detailed, unbiased, yet involved enough for fellow sim-racers to be able to relate to. That temp issue is a concern... but hopefully something will be done about that in the coming months.

[@Yammmmmmmy]

The GOAT of reviews is back. Nice to see some of the work you've been working on

[@dhyskRand]

I'm stuck between this and the fanatec CSL dd setup. The fanatec is about $20 cheaper after adding a clutch to each. This is for a base, wheel, pedals+ clutch, and desk mount moza is 638.90, fanatec is 619.75. I think the biggest issue is the fanatec base is out of stock, but the moza doesn't have an h pattern shifter and I'm out of USB ports. The moza also doesn't have an upgrade to the max force later and fanatec does.

[@TakeVI]

I picked up a great deal from MicroCenter and this has been a great upgrade from my G25! Yes, my old wheel was..old. I noticed the shifter paddles on my unit seems to be much stiffer (better) from the ones on your unit. I can easily change gears regardless of pulling from either of the edges. The upgrade path exists with options for a stand alone USB set of load cell pedals or the F1 steering wheel. The shipping prices are a bit steep, so it is better to find the product locally. Overall, this has been a great addition for the price. Thanks for the review.

[@Azzen234]

OH SNAP me too haahhahaha, that black friday deal is legit xd

[@theindianracer2165]

I had no idea about the lack of compatibility of the wheel with the R9! 😱Although if I do take the leap and buy the R5, I dont see myself jumping to the R9 any time soon. Good to know though! Thanks for the great review and the great content in general! Keep em coming!

[@tver]

Moza is releasing V2 versions of the R9, R16 and R21, which feature the same 5 pin contact as the R5, which will make the ES wheel usable on those bases. The already released V1 versions of the R9, R16 and R21 will remain incompatible however.

[@theindianracer2165]

@@tver Thanks for the update! I was on the verge of splurging on the r9 but I might hold off till the R9 V2 becomes available. Just so I'm a bit more future proofed! Any idea on the timelines for the release?

[@marcforget33]

I don't see the point of upgrading from the R5 to the R9 unless you want to use a bigger wheel. I feel like using an 11 inch wheel on the R9 would be too unrealistically strenuous unless you turn down the ffb. Just a theory though.

[@Lokulicious]

For anyone watching this today, they updated the r9 to be compatible with the wheel now

[@gundamOPS]

It's not that the es wheel is fantastic. It's just that the wheelbase is tuned to the size of the wheel. They designed the smaller wheel to compensate the torque, to reduce the steering ratio. If you used a larger wheel, you're pretty much reducing the effort, hence nullifying a but of the ffb detail. The wheelbase is simply not optimised for large wheel. At least not yet. Moza is working to make all wheels compatible. Also Race Beyond Matter accidentally leaked the RS V2 in his R5 video and it seemed to work well with the R5.

[@seahamsquad]

Great review, really helpful. I knew that the r5 wheel could not be used on other bases but I was happy to find out the formula style wheel can be used on the r5 base.

[@danielletheprotogen]

All of the V2 Wheels can be used with the R5 and other Moza bases. So if you don't get them 2nd hand they should work

[@jrmanders99]

You can now buy the R5 base on its own.

[@ryng2k1]

I've had the R5 bundle for a month now, but no shift paddle problem like yours. It might just be quality control

[@tompsmith]

Just ordered via your affiliate link, have a beer! Grabbed a handful of other reviews after yours, which were all pretty positive so I've gone for it. Well overdue upgrade from a G27 to Moza, given that I've clocked more than 250hrs of ACC ...we'll see how it goes. Also, one thing you haven't touched upon is the £180 delivery charge I've just paid ...as they send you it for review, you're probably oblivious. Worth a mention

[@Syphious64]

I ended up going with an R9 so far, The R5 for me wasn't worth it after taxes and VAT so I just went for the upgrade still waiting on shipping for it too lol.. If these R5's ever become more readily available in the US I have a lot of friends that would buy them in a heartbeat! Its an awesome time to be getting into DD sim racing!

[@Syphious64]

R9 setup came in... It's pretty darn sweet. Compatibility in some games isnt always spot on, some games don't have wheel centering in game which I have to center the wheel by guessing in the Moza software. It's a bit odd of a problem GT & F1 racing I definitely feel like I want a GS or FSR wheel. Honestly from my experience with the R9 I think the R5 on the lower end would still be amazing vs any non direct drive wheel when it's more readily available!

[@tirespark]

how long did shipping take? i ordered mine the 8th and i still haven’t received a shipment email

[@danielletheprotogen]

@Tire Spark Did you order direct from Moza or did you get it from one of the UK Suppliers? If its from the UK Suppliers it should be a week or less

[@tigerzero5216]

I always enjoy your reviews Corey. The camera work is high class. Make that professional class. The commentary is always clear to understand. You start with the positive side. Every review by anyone points out the positive side of the product. What make your review great is you speak up on the problems with the product. The big one that stands out... You are a beginner sim racer and buy this bundle and it's fantastic. But you develop a want/need for a stronger DD base. Then you find out that the ES wheel will not work with any other DD base from MOZA. Bummer. Might be a safety reason for that decision MOZA made. Using the small ES on an R9. Would the R9 have the torque to snap that wheel out of your grip and cause injury? I'm just guessing as to why they isolated the compatibility.

[@jdmhub7227]

A proper product reviewer RESPECT 🎉

[@aboemusic]

Sorry, double post... But quick question: Not much has been said about the Table Clamp in any of the reviews that I've seen so far. Is the Plate part (which fixes to the wheelbase itself) detachable from the pair of table clamps or is the whole thing one solid undetachable unit? I have a sliding keyboard 'draw' in my desk, and so the length of those clamp screws just will not fit... no way... and so it would be useful to know the specs of the table clamp before making an investment... Cheers :)

[@npaz24]

Damn you really the goat of reviews, you stated everything to the good to the bad!

[@JamieMarksify]

Great review👌I really want this setup but need the clutch and h pattern for drifting, looks way better than my G29😭

[@tver]

You can get a clutch pedal as an extra as well as the brake performance upgrade. Moza also just released their ca. $100,- handbrake. Get a sub $100,- Aliexpress shifter and you’re set. ;) Together with the new Formula style rim for the ES wheel, I’m looking at that as a sub € 1000,- set fitting all racing sim play styles.

[@JamieMarksify]

@@tver thanks for the info, that sounds great I do have a logitech shifter but I have never driven a real car that has a shifter this bad feels so cheap but is my first setup had for a week an already want to upgrade g29 is so clunky and annoying lol

[@tver]

@@JamieMarksify Those Aliexpress/BanGood H-pattern shifters for ca. $/€ 80,- ~ 100,- seem to be decent value for a shifter on par or better than the Thrustmaster TH8A. I believe VNM also makes a similar shifter which is slightly more expensive.

[@JamieMarksify]

@@tver cheers buddy I will check it out

[@Traumglanz]

Prices went down in this war to the best price with fanatec now selling their CLS DD 5nm for like 399 as bundle with pedals and wheel. The bargain of the country might have become a bad deal just 7 months later.

[@HollisonHusky]

Yeah, but with Fanatecs CSL DD, it has a lot of GLARING design flaws which a lot of users are showcasing all over Twitter/X and Reddit. THose design flaws simply don;t exist on the Moza products. Not only that, Moza are actively addressing both software and hardware issues pretty quickly, so in terms of listening to their community at all levels, including the entry level space, they're trumping fanatec hands down as Fanatec only really seem to start caring when someone has dumped a few months worth of full time salary into a single component.

[@sliptek6069]

The ES wheel product page clearly states that it is compatible with all Moza bases.

[@mArvAlcao71]

Only when Moza release the updated wheelbase/wheels. They did so with CS & GS/RS V2 and the R9 V2

[@John_2Much_Coffee]

Great video. Do you need to map the wheel buttons yourself for Assetto corsa competizione? Or does wheel software have a profile mapping must important features to buttons? If not do you have a costume button mapping you can share with us? Thank you

[@lilydafoxchan]

so i used to own a thrustmaster that was verrrrrrrrrry basic with no steering angle (180 degrees total) had enough buttons, no ffb and i broke it from being too rough because i do irl gokart racing

[@lilydafoxchan]

also had click shifters like the ES wheel, but if i get the bundle i think i might run karts on ac to practice my lines if someone does the track i go to for fun, and the kart

[@R4_n]

Will definitely pick one up for Christmas thanks corey ❤

[@SimShed]

Getting mine today :D Can't wait!!

[@Sir.YeetusIII]

Im picking this up soon, will be my first wheel

[@batgaming9648]

Almost bought that wheel bundle until I found out that shipping costs additional 200 bucks.

[@CoyoteRacing]

I think there are other suppliers for the R5

[@apexvisiontv]

How do you think this would be with the KS?

[@apierce4756]

Would you recommend buying this or waiting a bit to get the R9? I can afford the R5 but I can’t afford the R9 since I need to get some tires pretty soon and can’t afford both.

[@driftingbrandonc.6480]

Wait for the R9. What did you end up going with?

[@chrisemma9556]

Hey Coyote, thinking of getting this for $100 off or buying an R9 and saving for a wheel and desk mount. I already have SRPs what do you recommend?

[@CoyoteRacing]

Save and goo for the R9

[@tver]

Moza is currently releasing an R9 V2 which is compatible with the ES wheel. So they are still updating their line-up rather quickly. Edit: I only recently came across your channel, but I must say I like your review style, being succinct yet thorough. I love the editing and bgm as well.

[@aboemusic]

Yeh it's available on their site now... have been doing some browsing recently and saw it up there. Same price, too, so seems a no brainer to go with the V2, if the R9 is the preferred option over the R5 anyway.

[@KingPFL]

should i get the r5 bundle or the t300 rs alcantara edition? will mostly use it for assetto corsa competzione(ACC)

[@CoyoteRacing]

R5 easy. For starters the R5 is Direct Drive and the T300 is belt driven and much much less reliable for it. Not to mention you get way more detail with the R5

[@jamesgilbert942]

I got a Thrustmaster TS xw but want to make the move to dd what's your thoughts on it ? Would the r5 be worth while as the R9 is just to far outta my price range Can U use Thrustmaster load cell pedals on the moza R5? Cheers

[@allthingsmotorized1885]

if the pedals are usb then yes

[@shieldyourselfmusic8567]

Where are moza based? If its UK I'll get one but I've seen people getting charged £150 shipping

[@matthewcoleman8267]

Hi mate, just ordered mine direct from GT Omega, £569 including taxes and shipping.

[@shieldyourselfmusic8567]

@@matthewcoleman8267 yeha i found them other day! will order from them soon and then order the brake performance mod from moza and wait 300 weeks haha

[@antoshechka]

Amazing review 👍 is it worth to upgrade from Thrustmaster t300?

[@victorchan4223]

Yes..just did yesterday..is night and day difference...2x the feedback strength and very progressive feeling...and no more plastic pedals...

[@antoshechka]

@@victorchan4223 thanks 👍

[@carlosnaranjo1559]

Just a piece of advise for anyone thinking about buying anything from Moza Racing. I hope that this is not the wrong place to add this, in case it's not feel free to delete it. I'm not going to give all details about the current situation but I'm force to bring American Express to a legal claim agains this company for totally ignoring several issues with their R9 and the FSR Formula Wheel that I bought a few weeks ago. The main message here is that if you get into troubles with their products you could receive the same unacceptable support I'm receiving which it is currently been totally ignored. The base and wheel are failing since day one. I have been supplying videos and telling them about the shifting issues and the noise coming from the base and they are basically not acting as you will expect (last news received 7 days ago). There are multiple issues with the base and the wheel.... tried all kind of things to make them work but they are somehow damage or something went wrong on the assembling process. This is just a message to let you guys know that you could be facing the same level of support. In case of anyone wanting to know more let me know. I can show you the videos that are showing some of the issues I'm dealing with.

[@Jules-69lol]

600 is quite steep for me but shit it looks nice

[@gageboy14]

what about a shifter?

[@akimanilee]

Is the console compatability update directly to the r5 wheelbase or a new base

[@CoyoteRacing]

It should be Directly to the R5

[@justinhopton999]

Any word if Moza will bring out a shifter?

[@CoyoteRacing]

I shall pass on the question. But I think it is coming

[@jeantsimracer]

Coyote how did you get the RS wheel to work with the R5 base?

[@CoyoteRacing]

its their new QR

[@jeantsimracer]

@@CoyoteRacing QR?

[@jeantsimracer]

@@CoyoteRacing ah never mind quick release.

[@jeantsimracer]

@@CoyoteRacing I just received my CS wheel and I realized it's not communicating with my R5 base.

[@CoyoteRacing]

@@jeantsimracer yeah I'm really annoyed at Moza for stuff like this because the new QR wasn't announced

[@Litl_Skitl]

Really the wheel only working with the R5 just feels like a massive cash grab. Also incredibly wastefull that you can just chuck the thing away once you upgrade. Why even make it detacheable at that point?

[@CoyoteRacing]

My thoughts exactly

[@garyrowe58]

Please upgrade ... and 'chuck' your R5 at me!!! Honestly, at that price, I can't see why you won't get most of your money back selling it on!

[@edwardfeast1697]

I'm concerned about the compatibility issues, knowing that you have to commit to the Moza "Ecosystem" for the wheel, pedals and base as they don't seem to work with other competitor items, it seems really odd that you can't use the wheel off of this Bundle with anything else. If anything it seems a bit wasteful. I had a question too, I think those pedals look interesting, but I didn't like how far apart they are from each other distance wise, is that adjustable? can you move them around to the users preference? I'm not particularly clued up on force feedback numbers in terms of Nm output, so I don't have much reference as to what that would feel like? Most of the racing Iv'e done so far has been on a ThrustMaster TS-XW base and helpfully ThrustMaster themselves don't actually provide the feedback torque on their website, so is there anything the R5's "5.5Nm" can be compared with for reference? As always a stellar job with the review, the detail you've gone to is fantastic and the cinematography is immense! Thanks again Corey :)

[@CoyoteRacing]

Hey bud. Yes they pedals can be adjusted with the spacing. you can have them however you want. And to answer your question about what it can be compared to. It can be compared to the CSL DD without the boost kit. I am still yet to receive my CSL so i will review it eventually. But the R5 bundle is Miiiiles cheaper than that.

[@Bassemann87]

I waaant one!

[@adamalmqvist1789]

So, hopefully we will see a R5 for ps5 soon.

[@CoyoteRacing]

Fingers crossed

[@sakanigadik]

cleann

[@0verfiend]

499 right now.

[@menjoSIM]

Wheel beees 😂

[@amykuszpit8996]

That’s cheap

[@Bobbarker23455]

Moza is junk in my opinion honestly, I would stay away.

[@CoyoteRacing]

Whats your experience if I may ask

[@kdubdrifts]

Silenced lol

[@THESHADOW97139]

@@CoyoteRacing 8 months later ........

[@clintonwatson1295]

Damn i got it for450 @ microcenter