The ULTRAKILL community's "weapon-meta" problem

Elitism has always been present at varying levels within the ULTRAKILL community, and I don't think we'll see an end to it any time soon. Considering this is the case, here are some of my thoughts on one particular area that I find particularly troublesome.
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[@EreNyn3]

I've genuinely come to the the conclusion that there really aren't any objectively bad weapons in ULTRAKILL. I wouldn't say my credentials are much to write home about, but I *did* reach Wave 81 on the Violent Cyber Grind with my fairly "non-meta" playstyle and arsenal. My enjoyment and damage output is far greater with the Screwdriver than the Electric Railcannon, and the same can be said about my usage of the regular Sharpshooter over something like the Alt Piercer. Does that mean I get to say what weapons are "superior" to anyone who hasn't made it into the top 100 on the leaderboard? Of course not! @DumpsterManTV had some great insight on the issue as well, in my opinion! Quote: I find the community at large has trouble presenting these conversations in a constructive way and that's where the issue lies... ULTRAKILL is far from a "solved" game, but everyone seems to think the way they did it is "correct" because of confirmation bias. So instead of asking why you chose to approach something differently, instead it's "I can't believe they used the Screwdriver lmao". The unwillingness to adapt, and be creative and inquisitive about playstyle in this game is gonna hurt some peoples' enjoyment of it, and a big portion of the community unfortunately perpetuates this "I'm right, you're wrong" mindset.

[@sasudesuyo]

both you and dumpster man are some of my favourite video essayists, so it’s awesome seeing you two have similar opinions on this topic!

[@Lottchen621]

i think you should remember, though, that at one point the screwdriver's maximum damage was just its base damage of a bit over 10, even if you punched it. people are closeminded often. a lot of the community seems slow to accept the screwdriver's new power and a little *too* critical of various pistol arrangements, but one weapon i still believe needs a buff is the blue nailgun. im not trying to say this from a "its bad dont use it" standpoint, im saying this from a "i want it to be good because its not." the damage that the attractor nail actually outputs is literally less than half of the overheat nailgun and attractor saw; it actually just lacks the numbers to be useful. it's potential saving grace, the nailbomb, which theoretically has the potential to out damage a whole sawtrap by multiple times over, has code which makes it incredibly inconsistent even if you can pull it off. which, by the way, ive tried: its harder than you might expect, because explosions blow away your nails. i cant speak for all nailgun haters but i think it would be awesome if it were as powerful as sawblades. i think it would be awesome if slabsman were comparable to marksman. but like. they arent, and i think it's counterproductive to pretend they are.

[@EreNyn3]

@@Lottchen621​​⁠​​⁠​​⁠I’ve actually been a Screwdriver user for quite some time, even when it was in its unbuffed, drill-punchless state! Its base properties were more than reason enough for me to utilise it, and I managed to even get to Wave 121 in the Cyber Grind with its help. Same goes for my reasoning on using the regular Blue Nailgun; its highest potential dps may not match up to using saws, but it’s the perfect weapon to use while approaching enemies for parries. Parrying a Malicious Face’s projectiles while blasting it with the accurate Blue Nailgun is light work, for instance! I have nothing against actively asking for changes to weapons that the majority of the community think are underwhelming, but I also believe someone else put things quite well in this comments section: buffs in the past didn’t make “bad” weapons “good”. Rather, they made “good” weapons “great”. And, the thing that separates a “great” weapon from a “good” one is just how flexible it is in a variety of situations, rather than straight damage numbers. At least from what I can tell, buffs and changes simply show up in order to help give somewhat niche weapons more general options throughout gameplay; the Screwdriver is the obvious one to point at, but the Freezeframe’s charged-rocket is a great example too! In the mean time, I just feel that genuinely playing to a weapon’s innate strengths is much more productive than echoing sentiments of “this weapon doesn’t work for me, so it should totally suck for everyone”, wouldn’t you agree? It’s simply the cherry on top when a weapon does receive a buff!

[@gwenie9246]

I love the blue nailgun over sawblade literally just because the sawblade kills so easily it's kinda boring

[@Lottchen621]

@@EreNyn3 i suppose i can get behind that :)

[@bean682]

If Screwdriver has a million fans, then I am one of them If Screwdriver has a ten fans, then I am one of them If Screwdriver has only one fan, then that is me If Screwdriver has a no fans, then that means i am no longer in this mortal plane If the world is against Screwdriver, then I am against the world.

[@y0n459]

Are you Shakespeare's reincarnation?

[@Chris.EP.95]

Mah men 🤝

[@user-re9mi7gn1l]

My guy 🤝

[@SomeCowguy]

Screwdriver my belobed🥰 Helped me learn doing parry% with gabe 2

[@shagarumedic]

Malicious Railcannon my beloved ❤

[@lauracraft180]

Sending this to all Screwdriver haters in my area

[@P1NK_NOTSMART]

Why do people hate the screwdriver, it’s so good for bosses

[@epicjeong]

@@P1NK_NOTSMARTyeah, wasn’t it’s damage insanely increased at some point?

[@P1NK_NOTSMART]

@@epicjeong idk?

[@Orion582]

idk but i think before parrying your screws on ennemies won't do the stupid "all residual damage+5 at once" it now does which is what makes it really powerful, you can one shot maurices and everything with less heath and make a hideous mass very low on health by just shooting the tail and then punching with the feedbacker

[@P1NK_NOTSMART]

@@Orion582 YOU CAN PARRY IT!!!

[@epicKerBallze]

"screwdriver doesn't give style" My entire arsenal in question, which can give style that is more than enough for an S in style:

[@SomeCowguy]

Me when Space + hold ctrl + core eject = ULTRAKILL

[@nevinmyers1245]

Not hating on screwdriver users, but since the screwdriver has such obscenely high dps you will be losing out on a lot of style just because every enemy fucking dies

[@guerranoturna5860]

​@@nevinmyers1245one of the only scenarios where killing is bad

[@Green_The_Gamer]

@@nevinmyers1245 nah, you can parry it into another big enemy, and parry it onto another enemy from a Maurice corpse. This gives +PARRY style points and can be used as long as there is a heavy type enemy in the room.

[@nevinmyers1245]

@@Green_The_Gamer I just tested it in 1-1 with cheats on. A screwdriver punch on maurice gives the +BIG FISTKILL bonus and 225 style. A screwdriver punch on cerberus gives +DISRESPECT and 60 style. A screwdriver punch on a radiance 10 schism(no extra style for killing it, no extra style for its size) only gives 20 style. For comparison, a projectile boost on that same schism gives about 250 style and a parry gives 100 style. tldr the screwdriver does give some style but it seems to only be from punching with the feedbacker and the style bonuses that come with it(you also don't get +PARRY because punching the screwdriver is not a parry, much like how projectile boosting is not a parry) edit: I just realized you specified punching the screwdriver from a maurice corpse. I tested this too and it did not give +PARRY.

[@omelettej]

Honestly, I agree with basically everything. Now, I used to think that some ULTRAKILL weapons were not worth putting in my slots, but after experimenting and learning more about the ULTRAKILL arsenal, and over my 260 hours (not to flex) of playing the game, I can say that I have found use for BASICALLY every weapon (Although I am still trying to find out how to make slab marksman fun right now by experimenting, lol). Even if it that use for said weapon was just for fun, not being practical, I didn't really care. As long as I could style on enemies how I wanted to, I was bringing the weapon. Like stated by Eren before, ULTRAKILL is about that expression and playing the game in a way that you can enjoy it the most. Trust me, if you do not experiment with every single weapon, you won't be enjoying ULTRAKILL as much as others. "Oh my God, this is EXACTLY what Hakita wanted." - Max0r

[@Terratomere]

imo the only weapon that i think is just not really that good is slab marksman, but thats about it (and even that has its uses) all the weapons are good

[@fizzlpoprock1608]

On the ultrakill twitter they showed a buff to the slab marksman that seems really fun

[@Terratomere]

@@fizzlpoprock1608 it was a mod

[@glitchrex9192]

​@@Terratomere There was a teaser for the next update that when you shoot a coin in it's splitshot state using the slab marksman, all the slab revolvers skip the reload animation. Making slab swapping possible again

[@Terratomere]

@@glitchrex9192 mm

[@Mushroom38294]

I thought the screwdriver was terrible Until I realised that punching the screw out of a Maurice kills it instantly, and that you can punch the screw into another Maurice and kill that one instantly also, and you can keep doing it

[@user-re9mi7gn1l]

Same with virtues (and you can juggle it inbetween cerberi)

[@gneu1527]

Maurice are annoying so this is amazing

[@Mushroom38294]

@@user-re9mi7gn1l it's actually kinda goated in the P-2 Mindflayer room

[@nezzu2656]

Probably because that's a recent addition, the screwdriver was rather weak before this.

[@robloxbot6004]

@@nezzu2656Still good

[@furgel7717]

0:24 to be fair about that controversy that was someone intentionally not weapon switching and then complaining the game has low weapon variety and saying the game was bad for it.

[@gneu1527]

It's the same as opening a box, not looking whats ìnside of it, snd complaining you don't see anything.

[@thepencilcunts]

yea that example was kinda weird, I haven't heard a pip about his weapon choices because of the far more glaring issues with his gameplay

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

copium, ultrakill still has the least satisfying minigun in any game ever + cruelty squad sweep

[@vreikezen8268]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413That’s very true, but I think the NAILGUN is more of a LMG though

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

@@vreikezen8268 it revolves as for the barrels not not overheat dats a minigun

[@TTMR]

the best part of ultrakill is that everybody plays it differently, because it's more character action than fps. if someone tries to shame someone into only playing the game the way the m e t a has decided, they have completely missed the point, and should fuck off back to r/doometernal

[@pixelatedmayo1177]

We found evil under the mayo guys

[@aydinmakesthings]

@@pixelatedmayo1177 Evil Mayo be like: I think the games weapons are balanced and all useful.

[@pixelatedmayo1177]

@@aydinmakesthings fr

[@althenea]

​@pixelatedmayo1177 above the ketchup

[@bruhbruh-id5xu]

The problem is no one is trying to shame anyone, ppl are just offering better alternatives and other ppl are getting pissy…..

[@Sigelisvigel]

Ultrakill players not knowing about the game's DMC origins comes no shocker to me when people I've interacted with from the community don't even know what Quake is.

[@ikcikor3670]

Whenever I see a new player for example stream ULTRAKILL, I despise people who join and start saying "do this, don't use that, swap weapons more" and so on. I like helping new people (who want tips from others, partially as a replacement for having to read weapon info manually) just like most other people, but I always focus on showing people not what they SHOULD do but what they CAN do, teaching them interesting game mechanics which they would otherwise never find out about and then watch the smile on their face face and/or hear the happiness in their voice as they finish off a room with a coin punch combo'd into coin shot, do their first slam storage or oneshot a Cerberus in sandbox by a clean 2 coin coinadding railcoin

[@gneu1527]

Exactly. "You can also do this" I know it pains to watch a person play dumb, but when I first got ultrakill I spammed slams on crowds and used piercer alt fire up until I got shotgun I started getting better.

[@SomeCowguy]

V2 will very easily teach the basics anyways

[@daktotathecolossus7404]

Isnt “swap weapons more” just a different way of saying “experiment with your weapons more”. Which is a good thing no?

[@nevinmyers1245]

@@daktotathecolossus7404 I think the idea is that they never say _why_ you should swap weapons, just that you should. Showing people what weapons variety can do is more effective than just telling them to use weapon variety.

[@tuvergalarga6144]

if someone is playing ultrakill you should stfu until they ask for advice

[@nevinmyers1245]

OH MY GOD THANK YOU. I've been using the blue nailgun forever and also recently switched to the alt marksman. I don't even care which is optimal, i just prefer how they feel to use. I noticed that I basically never shoot coins raw with the revolver(i always coin punch or railcoin or charge shot) so it doesn't even matter which fucking marksman I use.

[@proguyisaprorlly4949]

correct me if i’m wrong, but i think alt marksman’s coin charge is a bit longer? idrk that’s what i’ve been told

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

​@@proguyisaprorlly4949i dont think so, alt marksman just do double damage to one enemy. i dont think it alters the coin refill charge time

[@nevinmyers1245]

@@TheCapitalWanderer Small correction, coins add 0.5 damage to each hitscan of the alt revolver. The alt revolver fires two hitscans of 1.25 damage, so this increases damage from 2.5 to 3.5. Splitshots add another hitscan, dealing 5.25 damage total. For comparison sake, the default marksman deals 8 damage total on a spllitshot that hits a weak point on both enemies(Though getting 8 damage is unlikely since most enemies with weakpoints have less than 4 health anyway)

[@nevinmyers1245]

@@TheCapitalWanderer Also you're right the coin charge time is unaffected

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

@@nevinmyers1245 thanks for the correction

[@MoronicRoc]

Thank you for this. The amount of flak I've gotten for using the default piercer is unreal, and it's really strange that we've got this many meta-sheep in a game about player expression.

[@SomeCowguy]

I love alt piercer just bc of how satisfying it is to beam, but sometimes I swap to normal just for funsies

[@nevinmyers1245]

Genuine question, why you do prefer default piercer? For me the dps is just too low. But I also use alt marksman so ig anything that doesn't do 2 billion damage doesn't fit my playstyle lol

[@Oul362]

@@SomeCowguy I use it because I don't really use the alt-fire on it so a better one with slower recharge is fine by me.

[@kamemelia]

​@@nevinmyers1245constant high damage beams are nice. Also headshots

[@AltPlus30]

@@nevinmyers1245necro but i just use it as a "small but pretty fast railcannon" basically switching to it when it becomes available also i love to easily one-shot street cleaners without having to distract on coins

[@Kaiser25]

You know shit's bad when people complain about people not using "meta" stuff in a singleplayer game. Really disheartening that the community of such a sick game is so garbage to the point that so many different content creators are calling it out

[@razeguy9639]

Its one of the worst communities ever

[@summitier22]

it doesn't matter, there's absolutely no need to put a bad name on a product hakita and co. worked so hard on just because of a hyperfixation, the internet does this again and again over some pretty easily avoidable parts of a community when you start lumping everyone into a stereotype, of course all's going to seem bad to you, just play how you want, ignore the naysayers and call it a day

[@sasudesuyo]

@@summitier22​​⁠​​⁠​⁠​⁠it’s definitely a lot harder for content creators to avoid this side of the community, and i’d know considering how long i’ve been following people like eren. i agree that it’s no good to overgeneralise a fanbase, but it’s a lot easier for the majority of us to say “just ignore the toxic people” than it is for the people who actually receive the brunt of that toxicity. i think eren addressing this issue is a great way to reassure the people affected by this problem, especially considering how he’s a bit of a veteran in the ultrakill scene!

[@victorpedrosoceolin3919]

Hakita made a game soo good people liked it too much

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

​@@razeguy9639oh it's not close to the worst, but it is starting to get there

[@shmoogit]

I never liked the screwdriver, but it turns out, I just didn't know what it could do. I was browsing KZbin and saw a video where some guy killed the swordsmachine pair with only the screwdriver, and now I use it all the time. This game is about experimentation, not elitism.

[@PowerUpT]

I like the video, but to make something clear: The reason people are making fun of the "jar of mayo" is because he fundamentaly doesn't understand what you essentially said. His rhetoric is that the game is bad because the game doesn't force you to play one way, and played exclusively using the piercer to show how "boring" the game "really is" since it didn't force him, and was being really snooty about it the whole time. To be clear: people don't really care in this case about the fact that he's using the revolver, they do for his bad argument. And that's not to say there's not toxic fans out there policing people's playstyles, just this one case.

[@davi0cai]

I've seen this problem on a discussion that was about the Screwdriver; It's quite sad. But something good can come from it, currently working on a video all about the Screwdriver, showing it's full potential, hopefully this will help it stand out more.

[@axilia203]

I'd be super interested in that, whenever I see a video or read a comment I keep seeing techs and stuff that I never saw elsewhere, and it can feel overwhelming to me but this game is so awesome

[@davi0cai]

@@axilia203 Glad to hear someone is interested on the idea! It's been a month, script is ready and other stuff had slow and steady progress; Tho, I can promisse you that it's coming out eventually.

[@sunbleachedangel]

A Twitch streamer Albino used only the Slab Piercer for the last few acts of the game because his chat kept pestering him that he doesn't use enough weapons, very funny

[@Kharci]

3:41 ok, but lets stop and admire this one clip. This combo is insane

[@sunbleachedangel]

What even happened???

[@Kharci]

@@sunbleachedangel so, ever since the P2/5S update you can summon lightning (in 5-2 and 5-4), by attaching a magnet or a screwdriver onto a enemy. That lightning is considered a hitscan, just like primary and secondary fires of revolvers' and railcannons'. (Basicly, it can interact with coins) The last thing, is that after a coin gets punched, it briefly bounces up above the enemy it has hit. You sum all of this up, and you get this wonderfull combo.

[@sunbleachedangel]

@@Kharci Cool, thanks!

[@ThanatosStyx]

I have used the alt sharpshooter few times and I like it, especially the quick swap between it and alt piercer. Since the alt marksman is considered to be the worst weapon, I gotta go with it only on a playthrough, I know damn well that shit's gonna be funny and hella entertaining This game, no matter how you play it, is still so fun, like Ive had a playthrough of arms only and even that was enjoyable.

[@SenTHR811]

Ultrakill is about being stylish. Hakita expects us to use each weapon in different ways, not to look for the "best" weapon, and which we're comfortable with. So people who make fun of screwdriver and slabsman users should just piss off back to doom like you said. I've found uses for screwdriver in lots of situations, and as for slabsman, it's a fun sidegrade I guess. It's not that practical, but it's really satisfying anyway.

[@PsychoGeneticFGC]

i 100% agree with you, and i wish i found this video sooner. i'm primarily a speedrunner and theorycrafter, and while its significantly less common of a sentiment in that scene, its still definitely there. The main issue i've always had with this argument against certain weapons, or whatever it happens to be at the time, is that literally EVERY weapon has a place where its optimal. not good, not great, not second best, 100%, fully optimal. slab marksman? many top swordsmachine kills use it, same with default piercer. blue and green nails? been seen used in a variety of 0-5, 6-2, and 4-4 instakills. default sawed on? 5-1 any%, its used in wave 2. screwdriver? top flesh prison kills use it, and i believe some panopticon ones do too. are these options more niche than their counterparts? yeah, they are. But devaluing that niche, and especially ignoring the fact that people can intentionally play around that niche to get more value out of it more often, is completely ridiculous. Even if you actively ignore having fun, actively ignore personal preference, saying that certain weapons are unusable is objectively incorrect. let people enjoy things.

[@Cat_in_The-Box]

Enjoying something without interacting with the community wins yet again

[@Dantexshadows]

@EreNym3 @1:50 So glad you mentioned DOOM Eternal in a video like this, because it's great starting to my problems with that game and it's idea of the "Fun Zone". It's because it becomes a one dimensional discussion on how to actually get people to learn and "Git Gud" at a game. They're focused doing things as, asking for restricting aspects of player movement mechanics, lowering weapon viability, op enemies with a focus on learning one specific strategy to learn, less player skill expression (or just player driven creative expression) in general, etc. What these ideas do is just does is make the game even less interesting to learn overall, even if I am a good player already. Why, it's because there isn't much get stuck into in comparison to a game like Ultrakill. In Ultrakill, meta, or even learning enemy specific isn't the focus, because it's more concerned about why would want to use the weapon in the first place. So the developers pushed for weapons had something going with them that you would learn about. Something that make want to swap to them, even if didn't all that much damage. Maybe it would be for another combo option, or general crowd control, even new movement option. The choice is yours as player and as the game starts to get harder the only stopping you from using the options you like is skill. DE feels it really doesn't matter how skilled you are, because if you know the setups, then the game is the same way every time... easy. There isn't a niche for some weapons that really needed one.

[@UnknownArtist7646]

i just dont like slab marksman because its... kinda useless on my arsenal usually on the way i play i need coins either for streetcleaners, so i need a fast way to shoot them, or for ultraricoshots that doesnt matter the type of revolver you have, so i dont need it on my playstyle. And i use the screwdriver a lot more on levels im not familiar in (for example when i played layer 7 and p-2) because its a reliable source of healing, i mean yeah you can get other forms of healing but when youre still learning how to play the level its way better to have the screwdriver on an enemy. I know about the buff it had and i really want to learn to use it because it looks SO COOL to punch the screwdriver between enemies and also the rocket launcher with the new buff of blue rockets. I used to not use it that much other than flying and hitting enemies in the air. I wouldnt go and tell people "hey stop using that!!!!" but thats my take on why i dont use those (and why i dont like the alt marksman before the buff)

[@xann2681]

the screwdiver hate is the most absurd cuz in literally every playthrough you see a person using it to demolish bosses, ppl who low rank it are way over their head over being able to pull off railcannon combos

[@efflogz5216]

everyone hating on the screwdriver until they find out it makes you immortal when put in a guttertank (i hate guttertank) in 7-3 last room when marked by death

[@SenyiKimmo]

Screwdriver has the highest potential and highest skill ceiling of any weapon in the game. Yes, even more than the Marksman. I stand by this, and I've even moved screwdriver to my first railcannon slot to make me use it more.

[@somepepperonyoutube8374]

real, infinite high damage chains with amazing health restoration? hecking awesome

[@Mart1n192]

It is sad that some in the ULTRAKILL community feel the need to force people into playing the game "the right way", one of the most genius design philosophies in the game is that it encourages experimentation and rewards creativity, discovering things such as using the hook with the cannon ball of the S.R.S. or mixing different weapons with the Marksman is what makes every playthrough different Not everyone knows that you can use the railcannons with the coins Not everyone knows you can parry your shotgun shells And that's the point

[@LispyIsMuch]

The amount of times I see people who discourage other players for their weapon choice is so annoying, I understand we all have our opinions on the weapons in ultrakill, some are open to try weapons they didn't like before and some just don't like using some weapons so they unequipped those weapons, I have no problem with that. However there are the types of people who force their personal opinion on others just because they don't like the weapons they used them, I saw someone on discord once post a video of them using a screwdriver and very stylish clip as well, but one person said "Why do you use the screwdriver, you could've just used a nuke or something just overall better.". Thank you for addressing this problem since it is a problem with the ultrakill community and I hope this video changes some people's minds, I love this game but some parts of the community really rubs on me the wrong way. Great vid and keep up the good work.

[@Lorefunder]

thank you for being awesome and it shows because this video is awesome :)

[@emmaly8993]

even though i had the sisyphus fight fully memorized, the screwdriver carried me during my p-rank run

[@vernaltear]

It’s the same problem that Doom Eternal also had when that had quite an active community. People also used to do a similar type of “tiering” with weapons and slagged off the weaker ones, without realising that a weapon’s power is not the entire reason to use it.

[@redshell9205]

I do agree, the playstyles of ultrakill are quite good. But something past “weapon meta” and stuff if even if you have 2 players who use the same weapons most of the time, you’ll still get 2 completely different playstyles. I use a lot of coins, but while a lot of people like charge backs and stuff I just flick instantly or do a split, I still use ultra coin but not as much as others do even though coins are still my bread and butter. I mostly just kinda instantly pull out the sharpshooter without coins or intent to bounce more that once, I pretty much never over pump the shotgun, I use the rail cannon extreme close to enemies instead of using it’s range, never use the the rocket launcher’s main shot and only use the SRS cannonball, this is all valid and love playing in this quick dps up close and personal playstyle. I once saw a guy who preferred using normal sharpshooter as his bread and butter, go him, that’s valid. Message: people have their own way of what they like to focus on, let them do so.

[@zackcraxyt4525]

Its kinda sad that the Ultrakill(And a lot Of Fighting games) comunitys are so harsh with tier lists even tho i comited this error in my first days(i used weapons "S tier" Like the stock ray cannon and i realized that i am not ready nor even found fun the way are play it) and i left weapons that are considered "F tier" Like screw Driver... now i regret that a lot... when i tried The Ray Cannon i got stock cuz the tech its needed to use it well its too much for me when and i dont even found it fun i mean Throw 4 coins out of the boss chest and pray for the 4 to hit its something that i dont found even fun then i say if i am gonna play im gonna do it by fun and i start to play with other weapons(Screw driver incluid) here is something interesting My favorite ultrakill weapon its the Piercer(Both Stock and Alt) and the Feedbacker(Parry goes BRRRR) one of my best moments in ultrakill wass beat the swordsmachine with parries and piercer chargeshots at point blank cuz it gives the boss high damage and leave me time to rest and then i had to face sisyphus... i spend so many tries trying to beat him till the point that i had to Rage Quit 2 Times then my brain says enough i tried Screw driver and my 3 favorites tactics Point blank Piercer parries and shotgun swaping (yeah an extended version of the same strategy i used against swordsmachine in my first run) i beat him that wass one of the best moments in my ultrakill run conclution? Dont be harsh nor throw to the trash things cuz a tier list says it try it by yourself maybe you can find something that its even better that you are thinking

[@mememan1969]

plus there are ways to use the screwdriver that make it insanely useful, such as punching it to do massive damage when it is already in an enemy, or using it to lock a mindflayer in place.

[@gloxinthebox]

actually amazing video please make more videos like this on ultrakill

[@StellaTheBoymoder]

This video is only talking about Ultrakill but honestly, I've seen a rise in this kind of mindset for the overall gaming sphere for the past 3-4 years, so many people go out of their way to call out other peoples playstyles "un-optimal" for the most arbitrary reason of not being the fastest or easier way to deal with a problem in a game. This really makes me sad because it seems that a lot of people are starting to see that video-games are nothing more than a chore that needs to be done in the most efficient/fastest way possible instead of doing what will yield more enjoyment for you personally. I for once will always advocate for people to stay away from trying to follow any kind of meta, even in competitive games as 90% of the time the meta only matters for tournament level players, it is way better to try to figure how you want to play on your own instead of following a guide on how to play efficiently.

[@gregorymirabella1423]

i don't use the screwdriver often but it really came in handy for minos and sysyphus. one specific but genuinely useful niche is all i need.

[@spydoggy_]

screwdriver is op , can YOU switch a malicious face cannon through other enemies and keep doing it for literally forever?

[@sheezley3608]

Greetings from Russia (as explain of my bullshitty English💀💀) I've never understood these "weapon - ratings", like, dude, please, rank up your style points, switching weapon from time to time, it's disgusting the way you play. Every weapon has it's own using in specific situations, what's the problem of mixing guns while playing the game? These weapons was DESIGNED to be played. Also nice vid oka gd'byye💥💥💥💥

[@bedmanGGxrd]

ya got good english dw

[@sheezley3608]

@@bedmanGGxrd 🥰🥰🥰

[@s.sinster]

BETTER ENGLISH THAN MOST FOLK, VERYY GOOD JOB AND OPIUINION 👍

[@coobk]

nice job referencing the gianni calls trav as gabriel clip

[@Acefdiamonds]

​@@coobkI thought that to

[@razeguy9639]

Funniest thing is people that play on harmless and still havent pranked any levels telling you what weapon to use

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

is that fr?

[@razeguy9639]

@@TheCapitalWanderer yeah, Ive been playing ultrakill since the demo and I've had so many people tell that shit it's so funny

[@petrikhorr]

you are not innocent but that is in fact funny

[@ItsVreenTM]

screwdriver is my go to railgun variant. i dont care if its meta or not i will USE IT UNTIL THE DAY I DIE

[@KingChao]

Okay nah I'm sorry, I completely agree with this videos thesis and at the end of the day it isn't that deep, but the ALT piercer is an objective upgrade. The recharge time is unchanged and the piercing shot hits harder. Not worth bullying people about, of course, but still.

[@SmugBab]

Just watching this lad play the game showcasing that the screwdriver could transfer to other enemies via parry is quite a spectacle! It’s so cool!!! I just love this game’s unique and creative style

[@Jaxx-ey3tm]

im always switching weapons and weapon variants to keep my style meter up because i cant do super stylish stuff and switching weapons all the time gives better bonuses, so i end up enjoying every weapon a lot of the time, especially in the cyber grind, where i can find a use for each weapon

[@Dibdab9303]

I love and have a use for every weapon in the game. While some are more situational than others, they’re all fun to use. I actually really like using the screwdriver, specifically for keeping mindflayers in place when I don’t get a chance to instakill them, and maurice instakills. And while the firestarter I find to be pretty situational, I think it’s great against insurrections. I’ve also taken a liking to railcoining and chargebacks now that I’ve learned to do them properly.

[@CalebTibster]

It’s hard to make an ACTIVELY bad weapon choice in ULTRAKILL. I would know; I play without the Knuckleblaster equipped because I just don’t like it. The game literally tells you to reequip it in act 7 because the Gutterman is super hard without it. Do I care? No. I’m playing on the lowest difficulty because I’m here for a power fantasy.

[@2D_Emerald]

genuinely impressed you can manage without it lmao, I use it so much

[@djayden4661]

@@2D_Emerald I never use it, I thought it was common

[@Acefdiamonds]

I never used it Parry just to good for my play style But I ALWAYS switch to it for guttermans

[@Fatigue023]

I use it for guttermen, sentry, idols, and extra dmg.

[@drymob7527]

i love the screwdriver although i do wish doing a +GIGA DRILL BREAK was as flashy as it sounds

[@Xx_Zyper_xX]

ultrakill fanatics will see someone use slab marksman and start FUMING at their mouths

[@gneu1527]

No, I edge to slab marksman.

[@NameNotAvailable-pq7vf]

I know this may sound a bit odd, but I prefer using slab sharpshooter over slab piercer for a variety of reasons such as being able to stop projectiles which comes in handy more times than I can count (You can also do some sick high damage tech with that's easy to do btw).

[@mar1huana232]

underrated channel

[@Karyl02]

I played through with only the Alt Marksman and the default blue variants of the other weapons and it was the most fun I've had in Ultrakill

[@fart1878]

GOOD NEWS! The alt marksman is getting buffed next update. I belive evrytime you shoot a coin it resets the hammer of all the slab varaints equipped. Atleast thats what i think hakita posted on the twitter. I'm not 100% sure.

[@robinbaduce9903]

It only reloads the other slabs if you hit the coin in the split window, still a massive change tho

[@fart1878]

@@robinbaduce9903 Ah. Thanks for claryfiying that.

[@BunnyCoffeeAddict]

Hey, I think I do some experimentation. Good video!

[@jldragon7855]

ive p ranked everything but p sanctums on standard and screwdriver is one of my favorite items lol it feels so good and is great to use on bosses at the start of a fight while u use other tools to damage them in the meantime

[@mercifulmartyr]

The screwdriver is so good why do people hate on it ive found it crazy useful

[@mrblakeboy1420]

the screwdriver is good when you’re screwpunching or need safeish healing, the malicious is useful for nuking and maybe some groups of enemies, the electric railcannon is good for line shots and railcoins. each weapon has its use

[@Lyrune]

I do think that harassing players is never acceptable, but I do wonder if the screwdriver would've still been buffed if people weren't vocal about how underwhelming it is. I do hope options like Attractor Nailgun and Slab Marksmen get buffed in the future though. (Especially the first one, I'm really having a hard time figuring out what its use case is.)

[@remuuchan]

considering hakita’s most famous quote involves him expressing how it’s a good thing that “we” aren’t making ultrakill, i think it’s safe to say that any buffs in general were coming sooner or later, one way or another. the constantly evolving nature of ultrakill naturally requires some of the slightly more niche weapons to be tweaked into a more flexible state. Of course, players are able to determine which weapons are in that kind of state, but the true beauty of it all involves the actual changes that the devs cook up to introduce that flexibility!

[@nevinmyers1245]

Attractor Nailgun user here. I find it to be more versatile. Saws require setup and even then you have to manipulate enemies into hitting them. The nailgun(and yes, sawblade launcher) already has pretty low damage compared to other weapons so I'd prefer not to put so much time into a trap like that. I use the blue nailgun as a kind of "glue" when I'm switching to other weapons or need to finish an enemy off. It is not a staple weapon or even used very often, but it pulls its weight by being an easy and consistent source of damage.

[@TheLetterB123]

slab marksman is getting a small buff soon, and the attractor nailgun is pretty good for dealing single target damage while the overheat nail is on cooldown.

[@Kris-ce1po]

in the next update,hitting a coin in split-shot state with ANY slab revolver resets the hammer time of ALL slab revolvers equipped

[@RandoDusty]

To use the games main inspiration as an example, DMC3 often has players deliberately using sub-optimal or "bad" moves as a means of self-expression and being stylish. Otherwise you'd simply have people jump-cancelling Helm Breaker over and over again, since while that's certainly optimal, it's also really bland and boring (See un-nerfed slab swapping as an example). If how you be stylish in Ultrakill involves you using pretty odd or "bad" choices, then more power to you, because thats simply how you've chosen to be stylish in a game that rewards style and self-expression.

[@kamilslup7743]

yeah, all weapons are good, i just personally don't use some core eject shotgun might have some cool high-skill tech, but outside of that it gets outclassed by pump charge shotgun and rocket launchers screwdriver/malicious railcannons are good, but the painfully long cooldown shared between them forces picking 1 railcannon and sticking with it, and personally, it's the electric RC for me knuckleblaster fist feels very niche and outright worse than feedbacker until stage 7-2 "Light Up The Night" thanks to guttermen

[@SpoopyChicken]

I've used (and still somewhat frequently use) the normal blue nailgun in Ultrakill, as I prefer the accurate rapid-fire behaviour of the blue nailgun despite its low burst damage. I know and acknowledge its drawbacks but I still run it because I enjoy using it as it feels more satisfying to mix it up when quickly weapon swapping. Is it less effective than sawblade stacking? Yes. is it not as good at dealing with crowds? Also yes. Do I know these things and still choose to use it? Absolutely.

[@silvernmoonlace]

I've seen people hate on screwdriver users because it doesn't give a lot of style points but like bruh- the primary point of the game isn't to accumulate style it's to have fun, and players will be doing that in their own different ways

[@DOG_EATER_1887]

I agree with the point that people can play however they want and you shouldn’t mock others for their playstyles but there are objectively superior options in most cases. If you don’t take the game too seriously that won't matter but for people like myself who value practicality above all else there is a meta for weapons that are better or worse than others.

[@ryivera]

BIG UPS THE DESKTOP BUDDY

[@NonfatWizard51]

alt marksman isn't the best now, but there is a hint that if you hit the splitcoin timing with a slab revolver, it will increase the number of times the penetrating shot hits by one per splitcoin.

[@someoneiguess23]

I unironically use slab marksman thanks to a fun little mechanic called AUTO AIM

[@doomkitty7579]

Me personally, I triple-wield alt revolver. Fight me.

[@cameleon2mur80]

Based if you use it for more than just shooting at your feet

[@cameleon2mur80]

Wait fuck I am brian dead I read sharpshooter instead of all variant

[@dubiousSanguine]

i absolutely love ultrakill, and i love absolutely every single weapon inside it. practically any time i load into a level i change up my alternate variants and sometimes even the orders of my weapons, like putting malicious first if i plan on nuking a lot. its a fun game no matter how you choose to play it, and even if i objectively play "best" when i'm using a pretty standard loadout, i always try and do something new. hell, sometimes i even change my weapon binds slightly to see if getting a new muscle memory would make my gameplay different

[@kamemelia]

It's literally a game about style I never understood why people complain about non meta choices

[@Nighto]

I initially thought that the screwdriver sucked until doing Minos and Sisyphus. Damage dealing with my playstyle is NOT a problem, I do not need the railcannons to deal extra damage to clown on them slightly faster. I also don't really need the style because I still managed to P rank both bosses using it on violent. However, I could CERTAINLY benefit from consistently getting health back *on top* of the health I'm already getting for some much needed survivability, and I'm probably gonna use it on Gabrie Act 3 because I find him and V2 to be far less 'readable' than Minos and Sisyphus. I do wish it had more tech though, since it's useful but a little boring. All it really has is hitting it into different enemies.

[@Storse]

Tier lists ultimately doesnt matter at all, genuinely. Violence is too easy of a difficulty to warrent it, even p-ranking prime sanctums doesnt require "optimal" weapons and combos. Only time you'd need some kind of optimal play is speedrunning, maybe cybergrind past wave 50. But not in regular play.

[@falseire]

I use the Alt Marksman just because the sound effects are cool :) thick chonky sfx is extremely cool

[@Overlordette]

I’m guilty of perpetuating some of this elitism myself, as I’m an editor for Oofrian’s KZbin channel, and I made a “guide” on the railcannon. However, after notable backlash of me grifting on to the screwdriver is bad bandwagon, I went out of my way to make a further in-depth guide on the Screwdriver, since I kind of realized that the game is designed around accessibility as well.

[@zelancholy]

bro you're showing me new coin tech in your broll alone whatever you say about this game i'm 100% believing.

[@cursedheavy8860]

I agree with basically 99% of your argument, except that the only problem is with Mayo's response to ULTRAKILL, that is, the "default piercer" bit at the beginning. It's not that his playstyle is 'bad' or 'wrong', but, in my opinion, the way he went about explaining it was terrible. Rather than present proper arguments about his viewpoint, he instead spent the video insulting and shitting on ULTRAKILL while praising Doom Eternal like the best game of all time. I think that many in the community can agree that it isn't his viewpoint on things, rather the attitude attached to those opinions.

[@Dalek59862]

I find the screw is literally the best weapon for killing mindflayers, especially with the new update. It stops the flayer from teleporting, and screwpunches have a tendency to deal about half their health (not sure about the numbers, but it insta enrages them on violent so it has to be in that range). I mean, you could argue for railcoins, but the mindflayer might teleport out of the way, making the screw better in the case of a mindflayer. The specific enemy being a mindflayer gives the screw bonus points because mindflayers are annoying on previously uncharted levels. +the issue with the mayonnaise is that it was using only the piercer then complaining that it wasn't fun, instead of... hitting 2, 3, or 4 on the keyboard, or even buying revolver variations. There's no problem with the playstyle, but the guy was complaining when he was the source of the issue, it literally wouldn't have existed without him.

[@boofy01]

3:02 That chargeback was diabolical

[@Laezar1]

Imagine if people playing ratchet & clank were made fun of because they didn't play the game like speedrunners do. Also frankly a tier list in ultrakill makes little sense considering the lack of opportunity cost for using most weapons. The only time it makes sense is when trying to evaluate weapon variants but other than that people just kinda use what they think will either be most effective or coolest in the moment, and a weapon tier list will very rarely help with that.

[@TRD6932]

3:04 gave him the sign of the cross special ➕ 🙏

[@JacobTheBlueLobster]

Red nail gun is good against the corpse of king minos because it has infinite ammo like the other guns and screw driver is good for healing to do its increased healing radius

[@kwark4115]

Screwdriver helped me so much to defeat Sisyphus prime. It turns him into a free heal fountain for some time

[@lolbro8701]

I feel like anyone that actually thinks the screwdriver is bad is either the top of the top in terms of skill (0.1%) or they geniunely haven't played the game at a hard enough difficulty to see how useful it is, the screwdriver is like the only reason I was able to beat sisyphus prime, it's amazing for when you're first encountering bosses and aren't 100% sure what the patterns are like, I love the screwdriver, its so useful

[@EreNyn3]

Every genuinely great player I know thinks the Screwdriver is quite good at what it does. I personally don't see myself as a top player, but I won't deny the Screwdriver its spotlight due to how its consistently helped me land into the top 100 and even top 10 of the Cyber Grind. It's especially helped me with the Brutal CG, since stuff like instakill-resistant Mind Flayers are a huge threat there!

[@thatguystar817]

Heres my weapon ranking Fucking amazing - all of the weapons, every single one.

[@EpicTkoWko]

as much as I enjoy Ultrakill yeah there is SUCH an annoying part of the community that constantly feels the need to point out "ermmm why aren't you doing this?? why are you using this weapon??" like... to this day i still get at least one comment a week about "why are you using slab marksman don't you know it's BAD xD" on videos that were made the day early access released, when there was even less of a meta and also slab swapping existed which was busted it's rly unfortunate this game attracts those kinds of people because it makes interacting with the community in almost any capacity (especially newer fans - I don't like gatekeeping but on average the more recent someone got into the game the more obsessed they are with being "optimal") incredibly irritating

[@Zephyr713]

All weapons are good, it's up to the player how well they are able to use each one.

[@Hatmanperson]

i hate how this only has 39,000 views

[@tang620]

...isnt the whole point of these games switching it up like dmc and not using what's "most effective" and just do shit that's cool

[@spicetea4060]

This was the first result when I searched "ultrakill nailgun" I'm cooked

[@robothecoolguy]

novas gonna have a fit over this one

[@weillio1993]

screwdriver is the only way i can consistently kill mindflayers but i always struggled before i started using it because i heard it was "bad"

[@gold9697]

Screwdriver lowkey carried me in a lot of bosses i was having trouble with. I honestly don't know if i could have beaten gabriel without it.

[@Retarded_Ape]

Great video and epic lightning chargeback on Maurice 🗿 👍

[@terminallytiny]

I think people have just forgotten that ULTRAKILL is a skill expression game and creativity is the core philosophy of the game, but people choose efficiency and try to isolate those who just play differently. This is coming from a person who uses full auto, microwave beam and remote detonate in doom eternal, which left me looked down upon by others. Each gun has their own niche and whichever you choose reflects your personality in the game, unless its constructive critizism don't listen to them.

[@xaisann]

ulmbtra krill screwdriber gud??!?!?!??!?

[@RoxanneClimber]

Yas

[@robloxbot6004]

Yes

[@axilia203]

My playstyle is forggeting the existence of the rocket launcher(and red railgun, I just use all the rest often) Except when I see guttertanks I got too used to just having 4 weapons

[@Green_The_Gamer]

0:30 screwdriver is goated here, since after those two parries he could’ve parried the screwdriver out of V2, deleting their remaining hp, only problem is the lack of style bonuses.

[@coobk]

actually the screwdriver received a set of style bonuses, one for getting a kill and a few others around the parrying into more enemies

[@connecting7161]

3:03 so he casually hits that???

[@CanSheMakeAGrilledCheese]

Not really a screwdriver fan, but hey, it has saved my ass a couple precious moments

[@gridddo]

with the semi-recent screwdriver buff, nobody has any right calling it bad or "worse than other railcannons" anymore. previously, the only reason to use screwdriver was to heal, and it was a major compromise compared to a railcoin or core nuke in damage and AOE. but now that parrying it out of an enemy does the full remaining damage, it makes it so that while its still slightly worse in damage, its a much more appealing compromise, since it can give a couple completely free parries on enemies that otherwise might have been a challenge to heal against (ie any sanded enemies without easy parries built in). going from "deal basically no damage but get a full heal" to "deal a still respectable amount of damage and get a full heal" made it go from niche to viable. i got nothing to say about the slarpshooter (alt sharpshooter), though, it still just doesnt really fit in very well. if you use it, whatever, but just like throw a coin and swap to alt piercer if you want the extra damage. running slarpshooter means you either just lose the bonus attack speed, or have to swap off alt on one of the other two pistols. and in that case you end up losing the attack speed anyway due to weapon switch times (or just get carpal tunnel). its not "bad", per se, but it is just not as good as stock sharpshooter.

[@arturocordova5670]

Wish my game ran like that