The Unbuilt Tube Line to Sanderstead (Re-Upload)

[@telhudson863]

The Northern Line is already the Southernmost tube line. Extending it further South would make the name even sillier. They really ought to do just that.

[@robtyman4281]

Rather than extending the Northern Line south East, they should go further South with it - all the way to Sutton. The Bakerkoo Line could (and should) be extended south east all the way to Bromley South station via either Peckham or Lewisham. I really do think Bromley needs to be connected to the Underground network as it's a sizable place. The Bakerkoo extension could then link up Bromley North with Bromley South for the first time ever. Meaning no more buses to get from Bromley N to Bromley S, as you could just stay on the Tube. That's if you were already on it of course! While the Victoria Line should also extend due South (from Brixton) to Croydon. Or more specifically East Croydon station - to take pressure and congestion off Southern services. Of course in an ideal world, all three projects would be completed by 2040. But seeing as it's not, my guess is that only two of these three projects will ever see the light of day. Which one will get the boot is anyone's guess; but even if two are completed, don't expect this to be done by 2040. More like 2050, at the rate big transport infrastructure projects go, in the UK. If we were China - all three would be completed, and operating by 2030!

[@adamcetinkent]

Sutton? No ambition. Calais!

[@F1ghteR41]

@@adamcetinkent Mr. Watkin, is that you? 😉

[@SimonForrester]

I’m not sure extending the Victoria Line to East Croydon would make sense. What intermediate stops would it have between Croydon and Brixton? Could it compete with the journey time of remaining on a London-bound train to Victoria and changing there? I doubt it.

[@robtyman4281]

@SimonForrester I don't know. Maybe it would follow Brixton Hill, and have a Brixton Hill tube station at the top of it ....then go via Streatham (Streatham Hill station?), then on to Norbury....then one or two more stops before ending up at E Croydon. So three or four stops between Brixton and E Croydon. I think that would definitely be quicker than Southern rail services. Especially as it would be more frequent. Every 2-3 mins Vs every 15-20 mins. So I'd say it would definitely be worth it. The least viable project of the three would imo be the Northern Line extension from Morden to Sutton.

[@Hollow-235]

Your videos really scratch this random itch I have in my brain that for some reason makes me want to consume information about London and its transportation at a rapid rate. Please keep up the great work.

[@Jablicek]

Jay Foreman's Unfinished London series is great! I also like Joolz Guides - he talks about different areas of the city and minutiae. Also Rob's London and John Rogers. Very interesting.

[@Hollow-235]

@ I love Unfinished London; I just wish there was more frequent uploads on the series. I'll definitely check out your other recommendations though!

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@Hollow-235glad I’m not the only one who’s been having this @ nug

[@Jablicek]

@@Hollow-235 If you know of others, send them my way. This is my city but it has such a long and storied history and I love learning about it.

[@Tjtingz]

As someone from Sanderstead, we need this so bad. Too many commuters for just two trains/hour

[@michaelpierce826]

Selsdon needs it aswell

[@1258-Eckhart]

I do so hope that the Bakerloo to Lewisham gets built. It's such a glaring missing link, it disturbs my sense of balance.

[@dodgydruid]

Looking at the clearing house diagram at 3:53 its surprising for me to realise my late father was passed out on every single signal box there was in that picture, whether the giant Odeon at Gloucester Road, the gawjus bijou Odeon's at Forest Hill and E Croydon to the busy Norwood Junction, D grade he relief'd all down the Elmers End line and worked up as far as Balham and occasionally could be found at Purley and Purley Oaks Odeon signalboxes. C grade he was often reliefing from Beckenham Junction covering down to Chislehurst, I am astonished that in his retiring years he could still maintain in his head virtually every panel he worked to the timings, layout and special requirements of each signal box he worked at. Funny little snapshot was in the very early 70's after he had decommissioned Sole St and the other small lever boxes between Strood and Farningham Road, Sole St's Wickham trolley parked beside the station in a little goods platform was moved to Penge East (yes there was a little goods platform there too) for tunnel inspection and they had a little ceremony to bid the trolley farewell consisting of my father, the stationmaster Reg and a rather bored mum and myself and brother. The trolley was there for inspection duty for the other Rochester railway bridge and the Higham tunnels as there was nowhere to store it except at Hoo yards and BR didn't like that idea as half the yard was turned over to breaking old Portsmouth express EMU's and the wreckers were known to be a little energetic with the idea that anything on their lines was game on and the other side was busy with Transfesa traffic so Sole St the trolley did go. The trolley also made its own way to Penge on a sunday afternoon which must have really impressed the coastal express drivers a ton.

[@martinjude66]

Love this video . On a personal level my late parents lived in Sanderstead almost 70 years ago and left there before I arrived . I ended up in Surrey myself after living in North London but left 30 years ago . Thanks

[@TheHoveHeretic]

Always a pleasure, Jago Old Boy. What a novel idea from UERL. It's interesting to know the paucity of tube lines in Saarfeest London occasioned a proposal of two, but somewhat irksome to reflect on the fate of a comprehensive tramway network left to rot on the vine. Following on from the ill considered proliferation of lines during the Victorian and Edwardian eras, the question of whether TfL ought to take on and make more of the ex-Southern suburban network is still a very live issue.

[@colintwyning9614]

love your footage of Morden station. The aquarium and plant pots are still there but that old diesel No.93 bus has long gone. Very interesting video as usual, thankyou

[@tonys1636]

Loved doing a Sunday duty from Merton Garage on the 93 as was a shortened service from Morden to Putney Bridge Station. Rest of week operated by Sutton Garage and many services ran through to and from Sutton. The canteen at Morden Station was one of the best in SW London. If had a meal relief of over an hour and taken at AL would often jump on a tube from Colliers Wood to Morden to have a meal in their canteen.

[@ogden4]

Even as a Northerner with a passing interest in railway infrastructure etc, up until now I thought I'd always followed Jago's explanations of the various owners / holding companies etc of the multiple "tube" lines....until today. You have broken me. Congratulations 😂

[@ks2091]

I hope a similar extension gets reconsidered in the near future, though, using the Victoria line instead. The A23 in Brixton probably has the most buses running along it of any road in London, and Brixton, Streatham, Thornton Heath, Norbury and Croydon all have a huge number of buses linking each other. A tube line would be more efficient.

[@nickbarber2080]

The Victoria is at (more than?) capacity as it is....

[@ks2091]

@@nickbarber2080 As I said in a reply below: "What I've seen suggested is to split the Victoria line into two and run Walthamstow Central to Victoria and KXSP to Croydon. So there'd be two parallel tracks in each direction for the central section. This is going to be expensive."

[@ks2091]

This may also divert passengers from East Croydon station, which would help reduce the massive bottleneck on the Brighton Main Line there.

[@tomnewsom9124]

It would have made far better use of the core capacity than the little stub to Battersea :(

[@nadeemalvi7728]

defo right through 3 croydons to at least it be one way to connect east croydon to gatwick too luton stansted

[@tantaf123]

There is nothing that starts my Saturday more than watching the newest video from the man himself, JagoHazzard. and the videos get better everytime

[@lefthandedspanner]

I've no doubt the old trams struggled on it, but as someone who has worked in Sheffield and Bradford (both very hilly cities), I can't help but smile on hearing Brixton Hill described as "fearsomely steep" modern trams are less easily defeated by gradients - there's a section of the Sheffield tramway that's nearly 1 in 8

[@brianfretwell3886]

I believe the original trams on that route were cable hauled. They wouldn't have had so much trouble if balanced with a car going down the hill.

[@dragonheatgaming5005]

That slog from Bradford city centre to wibsey it just doesn't stop. Might have walked it after a *few* sherbets 😂

[@shero113]

Don't forget the other southern extension to Sutton via Morden South. What's utterly bonkers is that the Northern Line does run to Morden South, which would provide a cheap new station and useful interchange. As for Edgware, the Edgware to Watford Junction running rights pre-dated the Northern Line, which made it a much easier (until, with all the expensive bits done, it was cancelled). Staying south, there's the probable extension to Clapham Junction.

[@roberthuron9160]

According to a book on South London trams,the rush hour headways,were literally operating at 90 seconds,in both directions! There was a figure of 8,operation,operating all day and night! Came off the Strand,and went to Streatham! Anyway,it was an extremely intensive operation! Thank you Jago,for another sideline journey into London's past! Thank you 😇 😊!

[@IanDuff-f9w]

Literally, just loved your post!

[@SmudgeThomas]

Stood at stockwell with a platform deep in passengers this hits differently

[@phaasch]

Darn, the first few minutes saw me with glass in hand, and a good half- dozen opportunities for CTY's mugshot to appear, only to be thwarted! Oh well, why waste good whisky? ;))

[@roderickmain9697]

Ditto.

[@Bruce-h8w]

@@roderickmain9697 Ditto. On the edge of my seat. Oh, the let-down!

[@1258-Eckhart]

What an excellent antidote. You're giving me naughty ideas.

[@stuartparks8094]

Brixton-Croydon has always seemed to me an obvious route for a tube line, so it being suggested by actual authorities several times is no surprise. And re trams and gradients, they used to go up Dog Kennel Hill in Dulwich which must have been interesting, it's way steeper than Brixton hill which is nothing for a tram

[@jason__7]

I know (thanks to your videos!) that the Victoria Line was built on the cheap, but it really makes no sense that they stopped at Brixton instead of carrying on up (under) the A23. Lost count of the number of times I've had to wait for the bus at Brixton after a night out, and there are no kebab shops (unlike Streatham)!

[@rogerwhittle2078]

As someone who has lived in one part of Streatham or another almost all my life (+77 yo) I always understood the main (or at least contributing) reason the tube never extended into Streatham, or anywhere else further south east, was; water? That is, highly saturated ground the tunnels would run in to, pretty much immediately before (north of) Brixton hill? I'm not terribly familiar with the hydrology of the area, but the Northern line through Balham and Tooting was thought to have missed it and there it remained. There was, of course, the "Streatham Spa" area north east of Streatham Hill station and the somewhat unpredictable water flows in the Streatham Common area. A contributing factor, perhaps? Speaking of unusual water flows around Streatham Common, South Londoners may know of the Inkspot Brewery actually on Streatham Common, just by 'The Rookery'? I had cause to chat with a bloke from there once and I was curious as to how the mineral rich Spa Water for which Streatham was known in Victorian times, could be used to make beer. Notoriously dependant on good water. Oh no, he said, we don't get our water from around here, we get it from The Chilterns! For those who don't know, The Chilterns are miles away to the North, way past the north end of The Northern line, out near Princes Risborough! But that means crossing the Thames Valley, I said. Right, he said, our well is something like 200 metres deep and is prehistoric water! They apparently have rights to take like 20,000 gallons a day, but only actually draw 2000 gallons a day. My numbers may be wrong, but its a pretty astonishing factoid to contemplate!

[@sianwarwick633]

Well, this is very interesting. Do you by any chance follow John Rogers, who has a YT account about on the hidden rivers of London ? I'm sure he would be interested in knowing a bit more about Steatham Spa, and its water supply. I know he is not a hydrologist, and that he mostly follows historic streams that are opened up from culverts, etc. But perhaps he might know something more or diffèrent about water in South London.

[@bob_the_bomb4508]

Is Streatham Spa the source for ‘Peckham Spring’?

[@AFCManUk]

All those abbreviations on the Tube. UERL, CCEHR, they all put me in mind of Beverley Hills cop 3: "Det. Sgt. William 'Billy' Rosewood: I'm DDO-JSIOC. Axel: The jay gee jojo see? What is that?"

[@ZGryphon]

"Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the VP is such a VIP, shouldn't we keep the PC on the QT? Because if it leaks to the VC, he could end up MIA and then we'd all be put on KP." - Adrian Cronauer, _Good Morning, Vietnam_

[@birdbrain4445]

I think this idea did have some merit tbh, especially given the fact that intentionally or not it was basically proposed twice - the Brixton section of the Victoria Line even seems a bit indicative of that. The old wisdom of 'the Tube doesn't need to extend south, they have lots of railways and trams already' always struck me as short-sighted. Our commuter rails are not rapid transit like the Tube; not in frequency of service or distance between stops. The once extensive tram system of days gone by is no more of course - so this just leaves a glaring hole in south London's transport system for the most part. Boroughs like Kingston upon Thames, Sutton, Bexley, Bromley and even a lot of Lewisham and Greenwich are reliant almost entirely on commuter rail and buses, which certainly does slow things up for journeys into the city. Systems like the DLR and Elizabeth line only just cross south of the river, and whilst the Overground does penetrate much further it obviously doesn't cover many areas of the south of the city, and isn't quite rapid transit in any case. Tramlink is great but it again, only covers a relatively localised area of the city as it was mainly built to serve Croydon (and with good reason.) Who knows what the future holds. Hopefully something happens; maybe the 27th time's the charm with that Bakerloo Line extension eh(!) Great video!

[@nadeemalvi7728]

agree dlr would be also needds probably victoria to give too

[@ShedTV]

In the station naming spirit of the time, North Croydon would be found in Penge.

[@wonderman1918]

I used to live on Burgees Park and there was always a rumour they’d make the entrance to the park opposite Tesco the entrance. It would help connect the Victoria line and northern line to New cross

[@Mark.Andrew.Pardoe]

Whato Jago, It's worth watching it twice.

[@geoffbarry9540]

That latter proposal looks as though it sought to take pressure off surface transport between Brixton, Streatham and Croydon - the old A23 - whilst offering a parallel rail option about a mile away from the existing Norbury cut off Brighton line. With all those interchanges it might have been an interesting option but, in the post war bureaucratic inertia which haunts any such radical proposals even to this day, the response was probably "well, there's already lots of buses (and possibly, at the time, trams and trolley buses) already chugging around where they want to put it, so that should be good enough for now...".

[@nicholasroberts6954]

Tres bon . Whitingly or otherwise, these stories of proposed and undeveloped lines bring-out a consistent factor . . . that greed and apparently mindless economic competition amongst the forces of capital can fill in the gaps that central planning neglects and even when unfulfilled stimulate the thought process involved in subsequent central planning. Who would have guessed ? The virtues of a mixed economy.

[@grahamstubbs4962]

A good reason for not extending underground lines to South London is the geology. It's clay and gravel submersed in water. The sort of thing about which a professional tunnelling engineer is not going to have wet dreams. Well, yes. They are going to be wet, but not in any sense a good way.

[@phaasch]

Both Balham, and the Borough cave-in spring to mind. Probably different today though ,with pressure grouting and other new fangled stuff

[@grahamstubbs4962]

@@phaasch To be fair, I'm not an engineer except in the software sense. So, if anything I've said is bollocks, err, it is.

[@phaasch]

@@grahamstubbs4962 I think we're probably in more or less the same boat!

[@grahamstubbs4962]

@@phaasch High fives! 🙂

[@stephenlee5929]

@@phaasch Not sure, but I feel a carriage would be a better form of transport. Go further south to use a boat, maybe. 🤔

[@chamazful]

Absolutely incredible video thank you

[@SeverityOne]

Ah, night footage of London again. Much appreciated. Strange as it sounds, but it looks brighter (on camera at least) than during the day. Or at least, more colourful.

[@trequartbeasta]

London's grey daylight isn't as illuminating as streetlights

[@a11oge]

even with the maps included (thanks JH) I am still lost with all those abbreviations on the Tube. UERL, CCEHR, etc.

[@kiankier7330]

with all this knowledge of unbuilt London tube, that Jago have, I feel like we should gift him Nimby rail just so we can see what London will look like, if Jago have control

[@kiankier7330]

maybe we should give him that, so we can see the perfect London underground of Jago

[@KR-rs3vn]

These old tube lines are already full and overfull capacity as it is. What is the point of travelling from Sanderstead - or Croydon to Central London on a slow trundling narrow load form tube train when you already have overground ie National Rail lines with larger load form trains. Also you can already go non-stop from East Croydon to Victoria, Clapham Junction, London Bridge by National Rail express services. No point in any more old style tube lines. What London needs are more Elizabeth Line style services, such as Crossrail 2. Someone mentioned Brixton Hill/Streatham corridor. This is indeed a wide roadway and would be ideal for a tram line, eg connecting Central London or even just eg Waterloo or Kennington to Croydon Tramline. In fact, what London needs is to rebuild a proper tram network in the style of Croydon Tramlink. This would be much cheaper and quicker to construct than more underground tube lines. Also perhaps transferring much of the south of the river National Rail suburban services to London Overground and upgrading the service. One "old tube" upgrade that would be well worth it and which is long overdue would be to upgrade the Camden Town station and junction, to permit the Northern line branches to be split into separate lines and to allow the capacity of the service to be increased to the levels required now as well as into the future.

[@highpath4776]

you should have left the other one up, you know who your real friends are when they go looking for you on a friday night when you are not where you were expected to be.

[@VictorianDad]

Why was the other one 'wrong'? I watched it and it seemed OK to me.

[@treinenliefde]

​@@VictorianDadIt was okay but it was accidentally released early, commented on and privated after. Because of this the date of the video was from two weeks ago. Because of this it didn't show up in the subscriptions of yesterday and also appeared as being released two weeks ago on his website.

[@highpath4776]

@@VictorianDad just was released out of schedule two weeks ago, hidden , then unhidden but not uploaded yesterday as it should have been so done as "new release" today. Jago's schedule being as reliable as a northern trains service at the present time

[@grahamrowntree5573]

Aren't we all "friends" on this channel...........the Friends of Jago Society?

[@MrGreatplum]

A southern extension to sandersted would have been interesting - by this stage, the green belt legislation would be starting to bite and most of sandersted is built on a massive slope limiting what else could be built…

[@batman51]

Interestingly your RCH map (3:45) shows the tunnel between Sydenham Hill and Penge as "Sydenham" while today (and for as long as I can recall, which is too long) it has been "Penge". Wonder when it changed.

[@trevordance5181]

Sanderstead station is nowhere near what most people would regard as Sanderstead proper.

[@nigelcole1936]

Great to see - thank Jago

[@marybradley7791]

I have always wondered why the LONDON UNDERGROUND no longer uses the flood barriers, i would have thought they were useful, perhaps you can make a video telling us why, a lot of them have never been removed why is that.

[@thecockerel86]

They could still build the line somewhat, with the tram instead of the train. It would remove most of the buses that clog the road from South Croydon all the way to Brixton. Just one tram line and all the buses disappear!

[@nadeemalvi7728]

,maybe more trams route connections as well too yet more bus route too

[@AFCManUk]

Hooray! I wondered where this one went :D

[@ClaudiaOfTheWorld]

omg the mayday stop on the victoria line extension 😭 make it soooooo (croydon university hospital looking on bemusedly)

[@rainyfeathers9148]

Back when Brixton was Brixton, that extension would've been a Godsend. I couldn't find a sane route over there, now I don't want to go I don't mind hearing about it😊👂

[@Navigatortrue]

We do not talk about what happened to North Croydon...

[@danielpooley7148]

I think north Croydon would be basically Selhurst station

[@roderickmain9697]

An actual tube line in south London might have been very tricky to construct. If I remember my school geography lessons correctly, the ground is full of silts, sands and gravels so reusing/recycling an existing surface line would probably (still) be cheaper. That said, there is maybe some scope for extending the Northern and/or Victoria lines southward. Probably the Victoria as the Northern is complicated enough.

[@sianwarwick633]

Are there ... rail lines or rail infrastructure, or has it all disappeared

[@roderickmain9697]

@@sianwarwick633 There are rail lines and disused infrastructure (embankments, remains of stations et al) that might be co-opted back into use. The tram lines in South London have re-used and recycled some. Its also possible that taking a holistic approach, it ,might work to repurpose some existing overground lines into new underground line extensions

[@tonys1636]

Believe that many arguments take place at TfL with the different factions of Buses, Underground, Overground and Taxis and the odd ones, River and Cable Car over who gets the most funding and support.

[@blicknessraven]

Quest idea: find North Croydon

[@Andrewjg_89]

If the Northern Line wasn’t going to extend to Streatham. Why not extend the Victoria Line from Brixton to Streatham and to Crystal Palace. With the Bakerloo Line to extend to Lewisham and to Bromley and/or Hayes.

[@malcolmgibson6288]

North Croydon station would be perfect for a novel.🤔

[@sianwarwick633]

And 'Mayday', for an undiscovered John LeCarré thriller from The mid-70s.

[@speakerdestroyer425]

Never thought my local station growing up would be in one of your videos! Regarding what you said about croydon not having a north station, there isnt really an area designated as North croydon, it basically just merges into selhurst and norwood.

[@pauljmccluskey5532]

Mayday? Interesting name for a proposed station 😮

[@davem9204]

That's what you have to call out when approaching Croydon!

[@mattallwood9681]

Named after the hospital, then nicknamed 'Maydie'

[@FarmYard-Trains]

ROUND TWO

[@highpath4776]

ding ding, I demand a rematch

[@denis-mf3cx]

At Kennington there is/was also a sidings that holds (from memory) 2 trains maybe 3? Not just the loop.

[@kidmohair8151]

as the epitome of silly questions, has Mr Hazzard ever done an episode in which *all* of the various London railways are mentioned? (the unreeling of the list of participants in this one made me think of that)

[@sianwarwick633]

Yes, but the bit of your mind devoted to logically understanding all the companies, fuses somewhere in the attempt to hold all the names and the areas they cover, thus inducing retrograde amnesia about the actual name of the video. So you have to search the entire Jago repetoire to find it. And you never can

[@kidmohair8151]

@@sianwarwick633 a catch 22, you say.

[@myonlydemandisbacktowork8759]

Good reuploaded video! I love the part of the Victoria line map that shows… instead of Tronton Heath we got mayday 😅😅😅😅

[@iankemp1131]

I expect the Southern Railway had some adverse comments about this idea because of their vested interests in the area, in the same way that they blocked taking the Morden extension further - even to a useful interchange at Morden South. It's notable that both plans missed the main hub at East Croydon. The area has always been hamstrung by the lack of connectivity between the West and East Croydon services which effectively halves the frequency. It would have been nice to have an interchange at Gloucester Road junction (between EC, WC, Selhurst and Norwood) where the lines all cross, but difficult to build.

[@JW1_1]

They should extend the northern or the Victoria or possibly both to Gatwick Airport, now that would be a project!

[@isashax]

We got it one day early! Yay!

[@nickbarber2080]

It's still prononced Sarnderstid,though....

[@WillKemp]

It may not be a good strategy to say things like "of course, as we know..." The "we" seems to include the listener - and if we do already know this, then perhaps we don't need to be watching your video! 🤣

[@CCA2020]

As someone who lives near Clapham Park, that place desperately needs a tube line. The bus connections aren’t direct and it sucks

[@fatfreelondon]

Maybe the similarity of the routes is that they both basically follow the original route of the A23, much like the (current) Bakerloo extension plan basically follows the A2/A21, or even the 1864 Metropolitan following the A501

[@danielpooley7148]

Yeah the north Croydon station would basically be Selhurst depot

[@TheMichaelTaskerChannel]

It Returns….

[@Jimyjames73]

Very good - How many more lines do they want to build??? 😉🚂🚂🚂

[@DarrylAdams]

Maybe a video idea would be why London Railway companies called themselves by terminus stations and not something snazzy to modern viewers of your channel. Like maybe CleanRail, FastRail or SootytCrowdedRail

[@arthvivektiwari1324]

Sanderstead via Charing Cross and Bank both

[@jamesbutler6253]

Stop fannying about! Build a tube line all the eay to Brighton! 😂

[@JagoHazzard]

Funny you should say that…

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

Geoff Marshall is still hoping to see an extension to Corrour....

[@infohound41]

They should extend the Croydon Tramlink to Sanderstead

[@bennyattar8862]

As an ex-pat, I love seeing the scenes of London in the videos.

[@Bruce-h8w]

become a re-pat!

[@ltdowney]

But can you really call it the Northern Line if it runs all the way to the southeast?! Preposterous!

[@ricktownend9144]

Thank you for this entertaining and informative video. I'm a lttle intrigued by 'Clapham Park' - per Google Maps this appear no longer to be a park, and not to be very near Clapham. It also does not seem to be in any sort of direct line between Brixton and Streatham. Is there any information on where Clapham Park station would have been?

[@Anonymoususer_8823]

I think that the Northern Line should extend to Streatham. And the Victoria Line to extend from Brixton to Crystal Palace.

[@wickiezulu]

Are there any rough ideas as to where the proposed stops at Clapham Park, Lower Streatham and North Croydon would likely be sited?

[@lobz]

the Northern line should really be extended to Sutton.

[@baystated]

doing my part.

[@highpath4776]

I cannot think of my comment prior now discarded to the dustbin of careless time, probably that Mayday and North Croydon are much the same place.

[@katrinabryce]

I think extending the Victoria Line south would be a better idea purely because it would be better able to cope with the additional traffic than the Northern Line.

[@mbrady2329]

It would still probably be overcrowded if extended all the way to Croydon. An extension as far as Tulse Hill via Herne Hill would probably have merit though. And Brixton Tube station needs a second entrance, on the opposite side of the road.

[@hedydd2]

Enjoyed it but am totally confused by it. That may be partly down to not having visited London for nearly forty years and never spent more than a week in total there, so the geography of the place is a mystery to me. All those stations and companies… gee whizz!

[@RS-pb2se]

I do think a tube line under the A23 from Brixton to Croydon would be really useful. I wonder how you'd do it in today's climate? As many say the Victoria Line is too overcrowded to continue beyond Brixton.

[@ks2091]

What I've seen suggested is to split the Victoria line into two and run Walthamstow Central to Victoria and KXSP to Croydon. So there'd be two parallel tracks in each direction for the central section. This is going to be expensive.

[@QALibrary]

Jago, have you seen (I think there are a few proposals now and over the years) a way of "fixing" the Northern Line, which would be to split it up into different lines?

[@kevinwingfield2007]

Extend it to Edinborough

[@sianwarwick633]

Interesting. Interesting. I .... think 💭 expansion into south London can only be a good thing

[@PokhrajRoy.]

Your voiceover is always perfect 🔥

[@darrenhemingway7121]

Saw the thumbnail and for some reason read Morden as Mordor… wonder what kind of service that would be

[@AtheistOrphan]

A tube would be handy as one does not simply walk into Morden.

[@arthvivektiwari1324]

Limited service to and from Sanderstead via Bank

[@highpath4776]

Can you confirm who (specifically not Underground) Electric Railways of London were - I think they were the City and South London chaps ?

[@TheInselaffen]

Jago, on a Saturday?! Does this mean no Jago and Jon double bill tomorrow?

[@DanBen07]

Do people actually like train routes that split and separate and you have to be in the correct coach to go to where you want? I've always known of the southern train from London - Haywards Heath then it splits one goes to south Coast other west coast. Apparently a lot of trains don't do that in other parts of the country.

[@stephenlee5929]

That doesn't normally (I don't think I've ever seen it) happen with the Tube, there are split lines but each train (all carriages) goes to the destination, just you can have trains for different destinations run on the same 'Line'

[@iankemp1131]

The trains that split part way through the journey were very much a "Southern Electric" thing. It meant you could provide a good frequency at the outer ends with short trains while limiting the number of long trains through the congested outer/inner London section. It worked great and people got used to it quickly. I remember a book pointing out that Bognor and Littlehampton thus got regular half-hourly services to London from 1938 onwards, which Birmingham only achieved in 1971. Eastbourne was hourly for many years but then went half-hourly with the Haywards Heath split. Also they ran 8/12 coaches to Eastbourne but only the outer 4 for the final leg to Hastings/Ore. The splitting/combining has always been very quick and efficient. The ultimate was the first stage of the London-Bournemouth electrification where a 4-car electric unit propelled 8 unpowered coaches to Bournemouth and was detached while they simultaneously tacked a diesel on the front to haul the other 8 to Weymouth. This was from 1967 to 1988.

[@yelonade]

NORTH CROYDON?!?!???!

[@yelonade]

blasphemy

[@notaplic8158]

Why reupload?

[@anianii]

He accidentally released it early (about two weeks ago) at the same time as another video

[@joethebrowser2743]

👍🏻🇬🇧👀...

[@nadeemalvi7728]

would wonder if they would could should have more connection like heathrow got tube heathrow express e line but there only gatwick express stansted express but also again dlr to city airport so again would if knowing cost and all be but we still so slow behind still like why eline had not connte3ct hoblorn sqation

[@kevinwingfield2007]

It's a scandal that not connte3ct hoblorn sqation

[@nadeemalvi7728]

@@kevinwingfield2007 it sure is if run pass but did wonder if be stop station that would make easier to connect because both central piccadilly lines seem so congressed that isnt really good safety why rush even west end work becasue l working there 3 different places there my college yet to travel one way near by but again like say for all station connection and route and again more trains

[@lassepeterson2740]

Na . Tube trains belong to North and Central London and Southern Region trains belong in South London .