The Unluckiest NBA Franchises of All-Time! DURANT! JORDAN! BIRD! CHRIS PAUL!

[@latesthoops]

Is it just me, or does Penny Hardaway remind you of Derrick Rose

[@titan2k928]

U mean rose remind u of penny

[@darshanvala515]

Yeah rose reminds me of penny, but penny was better

[@latesthoops]

+YaBoiFlight “Fleek Boi” I was trying to state the fact that they both get injured a bunch lol

[@fredsavage3565]

No, Penny was way better before injuries, If he didn't play with great players Like Jordan and Hakeem he would of had an MVP of his own.

[@TommyTomTompkins]

actually both penny and drose are my two favorite basketball players of all time ....hate both career got derailed by injury.

[@gnade1330]

oden was a beast you cant say he was a huge bust like olawakandi because oden was injured so much

[@ekckicks8141]

him and Roy were the best players but they got injured way to much and the blazers got Damian lillard who should lead them now

[@jaylambert6791]

That's why he was a bust and they passed on Kevin Durant

[@ekckicks8141]

+Jay Lambert yep

[@NoBrakes219]

One of odens leg is shorter then the other because nobody would take him to the doctor back in middle school even though he asked constantly to go to one. So he is nowhere near a bust because that isnt his fault that nobody would take him which led him to be injury prone

[@electriclime1697]

A bust is a bust. Doesn't matter how it happened

[@nathanridgway9419]

Oden never got a chance, how do you blame portland for drafting a guy who was supposed to be one of the greatest centers ever?

[@yaakov9440]

For real man, it is really sad

[@Hasbro688]

He said it was unlucky, not a dumb pick.

[@cashcartimoneybagsvlone212]

Cocaine

[@jwalk31]

Wait... Let's look at that. First Oden's scouting report was that he had problematic knees to begin with. He was a risky pick for anyone, but still. you have the first pick and you can easily take Durant? It was unlucky AND dumb. It's like they didn't learn from The Sam Bowie draft.

[@MK-ms4uz]

+Jene' Walker yes but you have to remember, oden was a dominant center during college

[@glory2christcmj702]

Nah, the Magic with Shaq and Webber wouldn't nearly of been as good as Shaq and Penny were, their play styles mixed with each other's they were a great duo that unfortunately didn't last as long as they should have

[@cassidyarquiett]

thank you

[@FlyNavy906]

Yeah, obviously in hindsight the Penny injuries make it look a bit worse but if he had stayed healthy and Orlando had kept Shaq that would have been one of the greatest duos in NBA history.

[@glory2christcmj702]

Str8 up Pwnage You know it

[@ashtonparker8901]

Yeah it was Shaq who told them to get Anfernee

[@DayFul]

They wouldn't have bought in Horace Grant either that year so they wouldn't have been anywhere near as strong.

[@peytonstamper97]

Do the 5 luckiest like if you agree so Nick Smith can see

[@arsenalbvb2752]

What would be the definition of "the luckiest team huh?"

[@giovannipaniagua2347]

+Simon Cai people get really good people

[@fdrp2985]

LILBUCK 15 San Antonio spurs #1

[@jeremysamuel8936]

Had to do my Blazers like that lol

[@jmoney1457]

+Frost Draco lol for real

[@tzvioz97]

You cant blame them for drafting Oden. He was suppose to be the next HOF big man. And in the tine he played he was AMAZING. But they cant controll injuries. Thats why they are unlucky. Just think about it. Aldrige Roy and Oden all healthy. DAMN

[@PaXCrew100]

It's sad.. Oden would've been a beast.

[@warrenfields3963]

+Paxlux ThaRocka (R0bZeRob0t1989) didn't he have one leg that was shorter than the other?

[@jacobs4088]

+warren fields yeah

[@1TripleAH]

+warren fields yes

[@rapgodreloaded9259]

Oden was a health risk since middle or high school same with B Roy.

[@jeremychuatico5243]

Actually Aldridge wasn't drafted by Portland. He was drafted by the Bulls and traded on draft day or some day after.

[@gatorboy21king]

I'd take CP3 over Kyrie lol tf

[@shawnflandnbatalk200]

+Cj Houston I would take Kyrie and some salary cap rather than cp3 with no salary cap

[@mitchellcorfe4696]

Fax

[@jay1746]

+food id good um how far has Kyrie taken the Cavs before Lebron? CP3 went to the conference finals while leading the Hornets.

[@btafbm]

Kyrie is ass

[@mitchellcorfe4696]

+food id good Kyrie is ass

[@onaj8829]

What if Lillard+Kawhi+Cousins on kings?

[@jaquancopeland3569]

good

[@njr7230]

gg league

[@crist3809]

destroy them all lol

[@lakerking4385]

good

[@onaj8829]

+christian kumara yeah lol

[@ianrobertson3959]

Me being a pacers fan think that we were unlucky! Just like the 02 lakers game we got robbed in the three years that we played Miami in the playoffs, plus we traded kawahi for George hill

[@NickSmithNBA]

Yep true, you guys have been unlucky

[@o-h-i-osports5134]

Not to mention we could've had Michael Jordan

[@ianrobertson3959]

+Pieter Robert do you really think the NBA would want the Indiana Pacers in the finals instead of the Miami Heat? The heat would bring in more money because one they're in Miami which is a big city and two they have lebron James and people would want to see lebrons team a lot more than some team from a relatively small city in Indiana

[@ianrobertson3959]

+Pieter Robert Again would the NBA want a team that has talent to bring people to watch the games (Pacers) or a team that has a big name rapper that is basically the sixth player for the raptors at all times and watch them? If you had any common sense you would've seen the three missed calls in the last minute of the game which had a major influence on the outcome of the game

[@ianrobertson3959]

+Syklo not compared to Toronto or Miami

[@mwyz]

The craziest thing about Greg Oden is that pretty much everyone knew Durant was going to be a superstar, and pretty much everyone thought Oden was a slightly better #1 pick.

[@koltenjames3531]

I feel like Greg Oden would have been great if he didn't get injured

[@zachgabrielnicandro9583]

Yeah.

[@zachgabrielnicandro9583]

Yeah.

[@zachgabrielnicandro9583]

Yeah.

[@hayden41103]

+NotYourUsualGamer (ZacuVorteX) yeah?

[@collinkimball6231]

shaq and Webber wouldn't work out because they both would want the ball

[@BFisher26]

Agreed

[@jeezydogpsn]

I say they wouldn't work for they're fullest potential I say only 1 ring

[@hallokity123]

+collin kimball Both great passing big man and could possibly work great of of each other

[@alexdimitrov7966]

Hey there Nien Nunb

[@collinkimball6231]

Alex Dimitrov hi

[@RasenRendanX]

i would like to see a what if about the Seattle Supersonics. idc about what but i always loved them and wish they still existed. oh and a What if Brandon Roy never got injured.

[@matthewbattaglia7208]

This guy definitely deserves more subs,he is honestly one of the best you tubers ever(that's my opinion).Everybody has to be subbed to him

[@Nick-fj1gb]

What about the T-Wolves? Got 5 first round draft picks taken away for one illegal signing.

[@NickCirCio]

Shaq didn't want 2 play with Webber

[@futureDreamer4]

Yeah he told the organization that he wanted Penny.

[@kristinadance1015]

Too

[@michaelculpepper3368]

+Nick CirCio Not only that, but the Webber trade netted them 3 1st rounders plus penny, not a bad trade at all. Plus Shaq explains that he and Webber were far too similar, throughout his career he wanted to team up with guards, not other big men.

[@michaelculpepper3368]

+Michael Culpepper A healthy Penny was also drawing comparisons to Magic, so when both healthy theres an argument that Penny was the better more versatile player

[@A.J._Ramey]

Do I smell a what if Chris webber was never traded video?

[@FlyNavy906]

Aldridge, Roy, and Oden could have been the core of some great Portland teams in some alternate universe. Would have been fun to watch.

[@Tabbitt]

Are these unlucky or just bad management.

[@enderwill1004]

you also forgot rudy tomjanovich as one of the rockets' franchise devastating injuries back in the mid 70s.

[@nektorhond]

Healthy Rose = would bring Melo or Howard to Chicago

[@therealcdogs]

+Iron Rottweiler Melo would't leave New York

[@TheClassyEmu]

rose was decently healthy this year and killed it in the 2nd half of the season.

[@Yomommaru]

Struck right on the chord there mate on doing the Kings first, awesome videos keep it up!

[@andrewschrages3837]

Do top 5 luckiest teams

[@legofan2107]

U didn't mention that the Magic also got three first round picks for Webber as well, idk what they got with them but still

[@ASaintsChaos]

how are the Charlotte Bobcats not considered one of the most unluckiest NBA teams also

[@KingMilitaryAchilles]

Shaq and Chris Webber have the same gameplan, even Shaq said that he really wanted Penny because shaq thought that if the front court was the same they could shut then down

[@ethanhorton4231]

what if Patrick Ewings draft was never rigged???

[@HotNSpicy248EpicGamingAndMore]

Loving these vids man!

[@vaiyoncaphart8531]

what if len bias played

[@kevindurant8831]

:(

[@billywhite4484]

+Vaiyon Caphart man the kid coulda been a beast especially with Larry Bird wanting to train him and the talent he already had

[@timothy8126]

+Vaiyon Caphart yes that would've been awesome

[@Okwiiishadowrogue]

Who's that

[@billywhite4484]

J Solar he was a dude who people thought would be better than Michael Jordan around Jordan's rookie years and died from 1 use of steroids before he played in the nba

[@jacklee9978]

Another reason why the rockets are unlucky is that before Sampson had the injuries, they had a chance to trade him for Drexler, before everyone knew he would be good, and a first round draft pick, which they would have used to pick Michael Jordan. This means they would have had a big three of Olajuwon, Drexler, and Jordan.

[@Yrnevan]

what about the Timberwolves?

[@willchampion8857]

Shaq said he didn't want Chris Webber and wouldn't play with him

[@anthonykoky54]

How can you say that is a fuckup for Portland just because of injuries because one of Greg Odens legs were longer that the other, Oden look like he was going to be a future great

[@robertbrent6835]

+Anthony Koky and why Wouldn't the tb's take bowie over mj? W, clyde there, an how great bowie is, i would've taken sam..

[@TOUYUBE143]

+Robert Brent no one can see the future.

[@robertbrent6835]

Vodi Soja Except we're talking the past

[@TOUYUBE143]

Robert Brent were on the same boat here, im saying that no one can see the future of a player, whether he'll be good or bust.

[@robertbrent6835]

Vodi Soja Oh, lol

[@tokizine]

But shaq and chris webber would never click. Shaq didn't want another big man thinking he was the anchor of the team.

[@saidasmove]

kawhi only progressed because of the spurs.

[@Huntre]

+Rufus Bankz Yep

[@princejayyyy7059]

sound crazy boi

[@airkuna]

+Rufus Bankz this is nonsense..

[@saidasmove]

+airkuna how?

[@zeeJ4Y]

You idiot Rufus he would be a all time legend anyway

[@TheLuckyDevil]

Magic did the right thing by trading for Penny. They couldn't have known he would get injured and he was one of the most explosive players

[@pinheadlarry3992]

I'm a Kings fan and I agree how we could've gotten Dirk and Pierce, but that wasn't what we needed at the time. That 2002 team was easily the favorable Finals winner, the Nets were weak af. And of course we've been robbed in the draft lottery, everyone wants to see the bigger marketing franchises get the top picks *ahem!* Lakers! This is all business and everything the NBA does is for interest and getting more money, so the LA Lakers winning that championship probably gained alot more interest in $$$ for the NBA than what the Kings would've made them. Especially now, ESPN and the NBA dick ride Steph Curry on tv all the time because he's the crowd favorite (even for people that don't even watch basketball) that's why the Warriors get all the best calls, Curry gets all the best calls, and that's why Draymond Green hasn't been suspended an entire season for doing 100 times the shit Demarcus Cousins gets technicals for

[@TheXscreech2004x]

better to not draft him than do what the Bucks did. trade dirk for tractor trayler.....turrible decision

[@elcentenario6583]

True

[@ReeseElDon]

100% truth you're speaking.. David stern said if he could see a finals it would be "Lakers vs Lakers" yikes.. fixed isnt the word here .. I feel really bad for that kings team.. I was a fan even living in philly, you guys were ridiculously talented and Peja was my fav. I watched that youtube video documentary about the 2002 kings and its amazing how that led me to learning more about the rigging in each era with each nba great and big market team including the knicks pick of patrick Ewing in which they folded the corner of the envelope and how the business that owned the knicks sponsored the draft YIKES!

[@peterpaulcoronan6659]

Your comment is long so I didn't finish reading

[@chesouffrant5863]

You should have included the Knicks. We lost in 1994 and 1999 in the nba finals. We also could have had curry instead of drafting Jordan hill. Now, we are struggling to find a coach

[@DreDaDon16]

1. Portland 2. Philly 3. Charlotte 4. Houston 5. Toronto

[@joshuaelmkies4785]

Not Philly and Houston. They both have rings. Houston because of Ralph Samson and philly because of them now that's it for them

[@DreDaDon16]

+Joshua Elmkies Philly had Doctor J Moses Malone Charles Barkley and Allen Iverson 4 of the top 20 players of all time and only have 1 championship out of all of that

[@beansofwater9606]

DreDaDon_ Clippers? They got like 80% of their stars injured

[@XaviRonaldo0]

and another HOF in Simmons

[@butchsamide4282]

You can't say that Penny Hardaway shouldn't have been traded for Chris Webber because when Shaq was playing in Orlando, Penny was great but when Shaq left, Penny started to have knee problems. Also, would you rather have two big men who demand the ball, or would you have a point guard who doesn't need the ball and a big man who demands the ball.

[@warrenfields3963]

Shaq really didn't wanna play with Chris Webber and penny and him did have chemistry before he got picked. And if you ask me if it wasn't for Orlando's fans who disrespected both shaq and penny by saying they weren't worth their contracts they would've probably stayed and won a ring.

[@Tmoebile]

just about to bring that up

[@paijo1503]

Do you remember me? Been here since 2k subs and I used to give a lot of support.

[@jaypowell730]

You still give support

[@nateloewy5016]

My nets suck so much. Y does it have to be like this? 😖

[@nateloewy5016]

+Swifter81 ;(

[@samuelsasunov3549]

Facts in a nets fan thank u billy King

[@p.hhenry4454]

It's rare to see loyal fans like you. Respeck

[@carlkenway2676]

+Geometry Dash NateStar Hair lines right ;)

[@mohammadqadeer2788]

Your team hasn't had much of a bad time, two straight NBA finals? My Toronto Raptors would never get close to that

[@shamaricharles2145]

I know I'm late but the Chawrotte Bobcats kill me Everytime

[@henryxu7529]

what about the Hornets??????????

[@Mega10Cenation]

These are my favorite videos

[@anthonychu9229]

What about nets? Unless ur saying their not unlucky n their just stupid. Which I can agree with. Y would U trade 3 first round picks for 2 old all stars?

[@therealcdogs]

+Anthony Chu What about the knicks? Phil and past Gms have killed our team during the last decade or so

[@caledoniacoopers]

Love these vids nick!

[@xcasperxxl226]

Let's go heat who is watching game 7 today 👌

[@timhoward5]

thanks for reminding me let's go Heat

[@Tabbitt]

Raptors!!!

[@mattsrandomish]

RAPTORS!

[@mattsrandomish]

RAPTORS!

[@timhoward5]

heat

[@jaysharda614]

Clippers have such a good team but every season they can't even make the western conference finals

[@NickSmithNBA]

NEW VIDEO!!! HERE IS THE LUCKIEST NBA FRANCHISES OF ALL TIME: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6DZp5p4q5dooLM Thanks for all your support!

[@YoungBaller-sj6wd]

Nick Smith you put 3 of the same teams on both list

[@jesusneverexisted300]

I watched a lot of the video at least the first half and then I skimmed through the rest looking for the Celtics as being the one of the unluckiest NBA franchises due to their drafting two players (back to back 86, 87) to replace Bird (who you have mentioned in your title but I didn't see the story line in the video) only to have each one of these players to die before they could experience stardom (Len Bias and Reggie Lewis). If you want to revise your video, here is an excerpt of a comment that I left on someone else's video. Perhaps you could extrapolate from to have a back drop for your video. You could pick up from 'Another story linking the Celtics to Bias death was the death of Reggie Lewis: A story even more sad than Len Bias's death was the story of his younger brother Jay Bias who was beloved just as much as Len was in the DC area. Jay was killed by a gunman who shot him at a mall not too far from where the brother's grew up four years after the death of Bias. Bias died in the summer of 86 (the same year the space challenger disaster where we lost 7 crew members Jan 86) We all were rooting for Jay who was a great basketball player in his own right. He didn't have all the physical gifts that Len had and he probably wasn't going to make in the NBA but most people from this area was praying that Jay could pick up the pieces for his brother. Some fool killed Jay at a local mall over, if I remember it correctly, either a girl or Jay just happen to glance at the dude. The death of Jay was really sad and tore the family and the community up. Another story linking the Celtics to Bias's death was the death of Reggie Lewis who the Celtics drafted to eventually replace Bird after the death of Bias. Reggie was a great player from Baltimore, not too far from Hyattsville MD (The area where the Bias's grew up and not too far from College Park Maryland home of Maryland University where Len Bias became a superstar) Baltimore is straight up 295/I95 and about 30 mins away. Reggie played High School ball at Paul Laurence Dunbar a team that dominated during those time and was always nationally ranked going back to Reggie Williams and David Wingate days. DC/MD basketball was rich during those times. Anyways, Reggie died on the court in 93. Can't remember if it were in a game or practice but the poor man died on the court in the midst of a promising career with the Celtics. The Celtics had two devastating losses with both Len and Reggie being from the same area. General Manager Red Auerbach was devastated by both of the young men's death and Auerbach lived and coached in the DC area in his early days and so he knew about the rich basketball history of the DC area and Baltimore. With the death of both Len and Reggie, the Celtics organization went into a decline for years and had not recovered until they were able to rebuild with Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett and Rajon Rondo

[@kankledestroyer2359]

Nick Smith lamarcus aldridge was drafted by the bulls

[@soukikismet2485]

Atrain Pattis no he wasn't

[@soukikismet2485]

Never mind he wad

[@PresenceMusic]

Did this dude really just act like Webber for Penny was a bad trade? Yes Penny was injury prone, but they still had a better chance then, than with two bigs that both are gonna want to be the main scorer on the team. Smh

[@Guukoh]

The trailblazers chose Bowie over Jordan because they took Drexler the year before and neither would switch to point

[@alanrubenstein7618]

Is there a chance you will ever do a video on what would have happened if LaMarcus Aldridge had stayed in Chicago?

[@Kingstyles05]

I like how you said that Sacramento got done in by the league for LA but said that Portland blew a 20 point lead when the same exact things happened to Portland.

[@kavoorz379]

Though the raptors aren't that unlucky, they have terrible luck when it comes down to the referees.

[@janisslaine2146]

You can't blame Portland for getting Greg because you don't know how good he could have done

[@jonathantulier4214]

True, and he would have been a future star

[@um52]

Unluckiest franchises=Every franchise that played against Jordan and the Bulls in the finals

[@thenewzealanderer5424]

Cool vid bro please make more rebuild vids

[@SirApplepieXIV]

You blame the Trailblazers for picking one of the then brightest stars Greg Oden? It's not like they knew he was gonna be injured 95% of the time.

[@lebronjames9599]

+Nick Smith Shaq wanted penny hard away because shaq thought Webber would take his touches

[@poedattoe9406]

One of the best videos I have seen

[@ryanmurtaugh9678]

Webber dealt with injuries too, after tearing his ACL in 2003 he never returned to being the great player that he use to be.

[@barnyisabarnysaourfromouri3808]

You forgot to mention that the year Olajowon was traded the Bulls wanted to trade thier pick for Ralph Sampson but the Rockets wanted to have the twin tower gimmick so they passed up on the trade and that pick turned out to be M.J.

[@codyssmith73]

Golden State and Toronto both have had bad luck as well. Only now have they turned around that luck.

[@dmgextra1576]

"Golden State and Toronto" NBA FINALS CONFIRMED??

[@codyssmith73]

Mark Medrano For all we know, it could happen, plus in both games they played.... Raps came close.

[@andrewmescher9409]

The portland trail blazers didnt make a bad pick for greg oden over durant, its just that he shattered his kneecap in his rookie season. He wouldve turned out to be like Hakeem Olajuwan if u look at his college tapes

[@awesomejack461]

The only reason why penny got injured because the magic made him carry the team when Shaq left,plus getting penny was better then keeping Chris Webber,him and Shaq would just be like Kobe and Shaq,and wouldn't get along because they both want the ball in the post

[@thomaslin8273]

but honestly, Oden can be actually pretty good. he also suffered though injuries, so technically it's still isn't the Blazers's fault

[@MyHype22]

Every team below the Celtics in the 1998 draft that passed on Paul Pierce is very unlucky

[@xhuhnw8110]

calls like in 2002 is what I deal every week at redwood rec center literally not one called on other teams

[@jacobbrandes9275]

The Chris Webber trade was genius they got 6 future 1st picks and they REALLY needed a guard

[@RedDynamt3]

Oden had a great rookie year actually

[@NelliganBryan]

You talk about draft picks but how would you know if those players would have done good with those franchises. Not everyone can adapt to team chemistry.

[@tevo2031]

How old is T-Mac cause I thing right now he can still be playing if it wasn't for those injuries

[@CalebsCaveofCollectibles]

36

[@chrisbigelow2001]

I like how on the rockets he didnt talk about how they had kyle lowry and goran dragic and traded both away as now theu both are stars

[@sidjones16]

This isn't about bad luck. This is about inept scouts, GMs and FOs in general. Portland drafting FOUR PLAYERS who couldn't stay healthy is bad luck.

[@OzWasTaken]

you forgot about Shaun Livingston when he was with the Clippers.

[@danielmarkusthefive7978]

U also should of added to Portland that they lost batum Matthews Aldridge and Lopez in one offseason

[@Wabbajaxe]

You can't put the Blazers at fault for picking Greg Oden. All scouts were pointing to his potential as the next great big man. I read an article somewhere that he had an injury way back before his college days and people would just scoff it and tell him to suck it up. No one took him to the doctor to be checked six months after. The end result, one leg was shorter than the other.

[@jacksonbishop5673]

Shaq actually told the Orlando Magic to select Penny Hardaway after playing a game with him at a practice and the Magic got 3 first round picks out of that trade. Plus getting two #1 draft picks in a row is pretty lucky getting Shaq and Penny

[@JamesMeyer2]

Actually, the Clippers' unluckiest moment was when Donald Sterling bought the franchise. For decades, his only goal was to make as much money for himself as possible, even ahead of winning championships.

[@brandonmiller9078]

You done messed up Bu-lock-a!

[@nolandaley775]

What about this trade that the rockets declined Rockets receive 2nd in 1984 NBA Draft with a chance to select Michael Jordan and the would also receive Clyde Drexler Trailblazers receive Ralph Sampson

[@gerwinpaulbalingit8399]

nah man oden was a beast injuries took him down..

[@maddenmobilesplash9462]

The Wizards when mj left, Orlando when shaq left

[@nahova3167]

I swear nobody ever gives the blazers credit but everybody makes fun of them

[@MultiScottyd]

What if Pau Gasol never left the Memphis Grizzlies

[@blxr3d153]

Man, I love the Kings. Win or lose.

[@emersonorth8380]

You don't know that the magic got 3 1st round picks along with peny and they didn't think Chris Webber and Shaquille could share the ball

[@grayson0916]

To be fair to the Blazers not drafting Jordan they already had Clyde and Sam Bowie really was an amazing playercoming into the draft.

[@chefcurry6204]

Chris Webber and Shaq wouldn't have worked out. They both wanted to be the star players and that wouldn't have worked out. Shaq wanted them to draft Penny Hardaway to begin with

[@tylarjones9281]

My Kings must be number one. Longest NBA Finals drought and victory (1951).

[@MrPocket1000]

Could you make a what if video for 'What if Carmelo Anthony Signed With the Clippers?' PLEASE!!!

[@SushiSteak]

is that possible?

[@coltonliquin6078]

The jazz because they had Deron Williams, Carlos boozer, Al Jefferson, Pistol Pete, and Paul Millsap

[@hkirktv124]

But yet still no championship it makes me sad to think about because they deserve a championship so badly

[@Emanuelknicks]

The Atlanta Hawks have been pretty unlucky themselves.

[@DaveGoliath10]

Don’t forget when Portland lost against Houston, with Yao Ming and Hakeem Olajuwon in the 2000 quarter finals(?) and went onto lose to the Lakers (who only Portland could have beat) when both of their all stars suffered career ending injuries.

[@athanlivaditis]

Great vid Nick! Keep up that 🔥 #nicksmithnation

[@brycepaytes997]

I do understand how everybody would've loved Shaq and Webber on the same team, but in Shaq's defense, he did say that he wanted Penny over Webber though.