The US Interstate That Doesn't Follow The Rules

✵The US Interstate That Doesn't Follow The Rules
✵Today we are talking about #Interstate180 in #Cheyenne , #Wyoming . This interstate is super weird
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[@user4378]

First comment on Beaver Geography?!?!? 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

[@BeaverGeography]

HE'S DONE IT

[@jinx1137]

Put that on your resume

[@matthewhi6712]

nice

[@tommyhunter1817]

There are TONS of examples of rules broken on the interstate system! Look at I-85 to I-585 in South Carolina.

[@froytii]

Big dub

[@TheCazyMan]

As a Interstate enthusiast myself, This Spur route hurts my soul.

[@jacesobey6498]

When I looked at Interstate-180 in Cheyenne Wyoming on Google Maps, I noticed that this spur route actually runs concurrency with US Highway Route 85 and Interstate-25 Buisnesses which may make some sense when looked at closely although I tend to agree that it is definitely an strange highway.

[@jdanon203]

What's with all the random screen shots of things that have nothing to do with I-180?

[@1973Kenny]

Thank you for this comment. Hopefully the owner will see this as it was very distracting when he was switching over to California and New York and other places... it made me very queezy.

[@juanmatute1182]

This looks like a fun game to guess where street views are located. How do I play it?

[@JG24Billy]

Geoguessr

[@DXMCU]

He’s playing geoguesser idiot

[@miked31784]

I agree, but look at the long way that Beaver Geography grew to having better videos!

[@Connor-mf3qg]

Here in Jersey City, NJ, Interstate 78 has 8 intersections with city streets. 4 streets but 8 intersections because east and westbound are 2 blocks away from each other. Also probably the only place where you see a 25 MPH speed limit on an interstate.

[@goodmaro]

Well, that's what you get when you have a plan to put I-78 across lower Manhattan and then the East River and Brooklyn to connect to Conduit Blvd. And then pretend forever that that plan was still viable, although even after the Nassau Expwy. is built you give it NYS signage and numbering instead of the original that was either I-78 or an even-numbered parallel to it, because that's clearly never going to happen. Presumably upgrading those few blocks at the west end of the Holland Tun. was the least of the headaches and so just, you know, *assumed.*

[@TheKnifed]

I spend a lot of time on 78 going to Bayonne, and I feel like I spend equal time on 76 for the same reasons

[@guildrich]

Haha! I live in northern NJ, and I totally forgot about that one! 😅 Just like the I-180 in Cheyenne, it, too has a viaduct at the west end of the street portion.

[@Coralalal]

I knew about that one so I just assumed it was the history and the fact that the Holland tunnel is from the 1920s

[@_rocrafttm_9925]

Same as I-690 in Syracuse. It had an interchange next to fairgrounds that had a street light that I’ve had to stop for before. I think it has to do with the state fair, but Syracuse was not a city designed to have highways as seen with very weird and dangerous interchanges

[@davidsturm7706]

That was only temporary during the State Fair each year. It was because they used a large lot that had no connection to the road network, so crossing over 690 was the only way to go. It no longer exists even as a temporary as bridges were built.

[@edwardmiessner6502]

Check out the I-70 / US-30 / PA TPK I-76 in Breezewood Pennsylvania. The interstate and the Turnpike spur each dump onto US-30 each at their own traffic lighted intersection. And of course US-30 in-between is a stroad with several traffic lights and lined with highway businesses itself.

[@scottwendt9575]

At least it’s only a spur that everyone traveling cross country can ignore… we can just drive on by. Unlike I-70 in Breezewood PA where everyone traveling on I-70 to and from the east coast has no choice but to drive through several blocks of traffic lights and gas station and fast food entrances. Despicable that they aren’t forced to fix it. Bedford County says it’s just not on their radar as a priority and instead prefer almost everyone driving from the entire Midwest to our nation’s capital be forced to drive through their little tourist trap. I would say, no federal funds for any highways in their county until they fix it. PA has the majority of the remaining unconnected interstate system gaps as well as a good share of the route miles that don’t meet standards. I-70 to the west of the turnpike has ramps with stop signs and no merge lanes and miles with no shoulder or place to pull off in an emergency. And they have no excuses to not fix it because the area is mostly rolling countryside.

[@crazydog1243]

Don't forget that I-99 doesn't even connect to any other part of the Interstate system yet officially. It has it's own 'Breezewood' at it's southern end requiring usage of US-220 Business to connect with I-76/I-70 (PA Turnpike). And at it's northern end, it officially ends just shy of I-80 @ Musser Lane. However, at least PennDOT is working on fixing the northern end right now by converting it to a high-speed interchange, and building a new 'local' interchange on I-80 just to the east.

[@UserName-ts3sp]

well it is penndot... it checks out

[@FatManWalking18]

the Cranberry interchange did the same thing between the Turnpike and I-79 up until about 15 years ago

[@grahamparks1645]

This I’ve been on this evil road it’s infuriating.

[@grahamparks1645]

@@FatManWalking18 I remember that nasty interchange situation too.

[@j.f.e.productions4098]

I-585 in Spartanburg South Carolina also starts at a diamond interchange with its parent interstate, I-85. The reason being is that 85 was upgraded on a new alignment which made the 1960's era old I-85 a business route. 585 was almost completely expanded but ends at a 4 way stoplight before the diamond interchange with 85. Very interesting to see strange exceptions to the highway standards.

[@rickposter3534]

Check out I-70 in Breezewood, PA. Traffic on westbound I-70 stops at a normal surface intersection with a traffic light, turns right onto U.S. 30, then turns right again onto an entrance ramp system with a toll plaza before it merges onto the Pennsylvania Turnpike (I-76). Eastbound I-70 traffic does the same maneuver in reverse. Because there are gas stations, fast food outlets, and motels at the intersection, traffic tends to be insane.

[@Baribrotzer]

And, because the Representative in Breezewood's Congressional District happens to be the Chairman of the House Transportation Committee (and has been Chairman forever), and because the prosperous businessmen of Breezewood are all his close, personal friends who ladle out generous, deep-pocketed campaign contributions, you can guess how much will ever be done to finish that.

[@rickposter3534]

@@Baribrotzer That I did not know, but why am I not surprised?

[@goodmaro]

The more benign explanation is that it's a legacy connection, the old Turnpike ramp to US 30, which is PA TPK up to the intersection. Except it can't still be that, since the TPK bypassed that part when they bypassed the Sideling Hill Tun. (instead of boring another, as they did with some of the others), which was *after* I-70 was built! In fact I-70 now uses some of the old legacy Turnpike (the rest of which is bike trail) to connect, more circuitously than before. You'd think that when they built the new alignment, they could've made a new separate interchange off it for US 30, and then one for I-70 direct to the old stub. Also the lack of the direct connection to the old Turnpike could be justified in its time as I-70's simply ending at Breezewood and picking up again at New Stanton, as long as none of the intervening Turnpike was designated I-70. They could always say they expected *another* alignment to parallel the Turnpike for I-70, especially once the Turnpike was designated I-76, since the Interstates "weren't supposed to have concurrencies". And then the old 70S-70N designations...they should just concede that the best use of numbering is so drivers can follow routes, not so the scheme looks scientific or artistic or anything. Somehow they managed to connect directly to Turnpike entrance ramps when they finished what's now I-376 to Monroeville; the Schuylkill Expressway was basically built as an extension from the Valley Forge exit; and I-476 likewise from the Northeast Extension interchange.

[@joshuabroomfield9895]

So I grew up in Cheyenne and know more about the story of this road. First, there are a good amount of people in town that comment on how it’s weird I-180 is called an “interstate” because yeah it’s just a 2-1-2 stroad into the downtown of Cheyenne. A huge reason it was built and signed as an interstate however was military. As you can see the north end of I-180 terminates at a large viaduct crossing a railyard. That railyard is actually one of the larger and more important ones in the United states because a lot of trains cross the Rockies through Cheyenne. Secondarily, Cheyenne is home to a very large ICBM Air Force base. When the interstates were built one of the original primary motivations was so that in case of war military equipment could be moved around quickly across the United States. So some powerful Wyoming politicians at the time pushed hard for I-180 to be signed as an interstate regardless if it met standards or not. That way, in case of a theoretical war against the US, the military would be able to take that federal road to the rail yard under control and supply the important base in town.

[@JezuzDisciple]

I grew up in a part of Wyoming where it's over a two hour drive to the nearest Interstate 😂

[@Pamani_]

I don't think we can call that a stroad since it doesn't provide access to any business/property. It's more like an urban expressway, which are allowed to have at-grade intersections but can't serve "abutting land uses" (FHWA functional classification).

[@DGuerriero]

Somehow I knew before I finished watching the vid, that the term "powerful Wyoming politicians" would come up in the explanation. And, Interstate or not, I suspect that the U.S. government will take over any highway it goddam well pleases - who's gonna stop it? A federal judge bite the hand that feeds him?

[@BrandonMucklow]

@@Pamani_ Right. Del Range Bl in Cheyenne would be a good example of a stroad. In fact, I-180, aside from the signals, moves traffic very well. I DoorDash in this town.

[@goldenstarmusic1689]

This deserves the pin

[@kjhuang]

I hate that this freeway exists lol. It's like how I-99 violates the numbering rules. And I looked it up and found this freeway is concurrent with three other routes, including I-25 Business. So why does this freeway number even exist? Even if it was named to procure federal interstate funding, I-25 Business should already do that, unless Business Interstates don't qualify for that funding (I don't know).

[@nathananderson3922]

I'm not sure if business routes qualify for federal funding but several business route along I-35 in Texas were assigned new numbers by the state or turned back to local maintenance. Maybe Bus-35 routes had to be renumbered due to federal funding being cut.

[@kjhuang]

@@nathananderson3922 I tried looking it up and couldn't find a direct answer, but as far as I can tell Interstate highways get federal funds period, so I don't see any evidence that Business Interstates are excluded from that.

[@blakeh95]

@@kjhuang Business interstates are not considered part of the interstate highway system and do not receive federal funding.

[@blakeh95]

@@nathananderson3922 See other comment about Business routes.

[@kjhuang]

@@blakeh95 Ah okay, thanks.

[@robertshedd31]

The Federal Highway Administration is NEVER referred to (by people who know) as "FHA." It's FHWA.. " FHA" was already claimed by the Federal Housing Administration.

[@jsivco3sivco785]

I-676 in Philadelphia has traffic lights as you cross the bridge from New Jersey. Likewise as you head to NJ from Phila.

[@adithyaramachandran7427]

Interesting. There are also many Non interstate highways that are built to interstate standards, especially in Michigan. US 23, US 127, US 131, US 31, M-6, M-10, M-39, and M-14. Some of these highways have speeds higher than many interstates. US-127 is 75 mph for over 100 miles, but it's basically empty so most people cover that stretch in little over an hour. Meanwhile, I 96 is set to 70 mph for it's entire length and you will struggle to meet that speed on many stretches due to traffic, so 100 miles takes almost twice as long.

[@V01t2]

I - 17 in Arizona's mile marker system irritates the hell out of ME. Check THAT out if you're not already privy

[@highway2heaven91]

Half As Interesting did a wonderful video on I -19

[@dannylittle6766]

Look up I-74 in North Carolina, it will drive you insane. Basically it goes from a freeway to U.S. 74 (with signs saying "future I74 corridor), then it randomly turns into I 74 again. Before it turns into U.S. highway 74 you can see where the freeway is unfinished, looks very apocalyptic.

[@12baumarobi]

Not to mention the number, I get they are copying US highway number but lots of US highways got new Interstate numbers, so I really wish it would get a new number did you know there is no even number Interstate from 44 to 64 so I think this is finally a chance to liberate 50 since US highway 50 isn't in NC

[@Ian58]

I’ve been on I 74 in North Carolina, Quite the sh*tshow.

[@highway2heaven91]

I suspect the reason why not many people in Cheyenne noticed the I-180 violation is because the road geek population in Cheyenne is probably very low.

[@FreedomtowerStudios]

Another Intestate here in NJ violates said rules. I-78 has traffic lights right before it gets to the Holland Tunnel heading in and out of New York City. Okay, technically its an approach to the tunnel, but its still I-78 from where it starts in PA to the Tunnel

[@haber306]

Technically I-78 ends in Manhattan with a 5 exit loop

[@theodoreskaff1209]

Also I 40 thru Williams AZ was finally bypassed in the early 90s. The town of Williams fought the construction of I 40 tooth and nail as it would eliminate the need for all the independent motels, restruants, and gas stations on old US 66. They feared there would be no reason for anyone to stop there.

[@marcuszodiak6444]

the biggest scandal in wyoming history

[@JohnWilson-hc5wq]

There definitely have been Interstates with intersections in the past. IIRC I-90 through some town in northern Idaho had intersections and even a stoplight as late as 1989. I think there was always an intent to go full freeway when it became feasible, and I think that has happened on 1-90 finally, but I don't know exactly when.

[@Silver_Turtle]

John Wilson -- You're referring to the lovely town of Wallace, ID. Yes, there was a stop signal on the "Interstate" [was listed as "Temporary I-90"/US 10]. There were a few unpleasant words as to where the bypass would be routed. But, the bypass was completed. "Old Red, Green and Yellow" was officially laid to rest with full ceremony and bagpipe music on Sep 12, 1991. Its final resting place is 509 Bank St. Ironically, this "red light" outlived the other "Red Light" in town😜. DISCLAIMER: I once lived in the area [70s-80s]; so I was fully aware of the signal. As to the resting place? I did a little research.

[@RedArrow73]

Ditto I-40 in the Texas Panhandle back in the 70's.

[@brentboswell1294]

I-10 between El Paso and Kent, Texas has at-grade intersections, which violate the rules for the Interstate Highway System. And I-5 between Portland, OR and Vancouver, WA has traffic signals, to stop traffic for bridge lifts on the Interstate Bridge over the Columbia River. They tried to design a replacement bridge with no lift span, but ended up spending billions of dollars without building anything that satisfied no one. A big problem is that the bridge is in close proximity to two airports (PDX and Pearson field in Vancouver, Washington), and it's very hard to build something that will not be a hazard to air navigation, as the final approach course for the parallel runways at PDX goes right over the bridge. Several marine facilities also depend on being able to move large ships on the Columbia through the bridge, and the proposed bridge design would have placed unacceptable limits on the height of river traffic.

[@johnliberty3647]

In 2nd grade we moved to a different state that took 2 days to get there. I was the one kid who just would not read because it was boring. My mother handed me the atlas just to hold on to it. By the time we got to our new home I had the entire interstate system memorized, state capitals, largest cities and highest points. Family was shocked because I never took to anything "educational" ... I too get annoyed when interstates do not follow the rules even when the rules are unecessarily expensive.

[@MegaJoler]

Nice Video. BTW the term you're looking for describing freeways/interstates with respect to not having cross traffic is called "Uninterrupted flow facilities"

[@virginiamoss7045]

You could try speaking a little more slowly and allow more "space" between sentences. Additionally, the unrelated and seconds-long clips one after another are too frenetic. Otherwise, your content is interesting.

[@1973Kenny]

Thank you

[@bobprice9541]

When you mentioned I-180, I was confused at first when you mentioned Cheyenne, Wyoming. There is an I-180 in Illinois that comes off 80 and goes nowhere. Maybe you can do a video on that interstate.

[@carpographer]

There is actually one more offender that I know of, although it’s not quite as egregious as this one: I-78 in Jersey City just before it enters the Holland Tunnel. Also, as far as I know that’s the only one, since Wyoming doesn’t exist.

[@danieldaniels7571]

Hey now… Wyoming is real!

[@bigmonmagoomba9634]

Oh, Wyoming DOES exist. They just want out-of-staters to believe it doesn’t. There’s a stretch of road there called the “Highway to Heaven”. I contend that any road leading out of Wyoming is a highway to Heaven.

[@rogerakline6148]

Jersey is a craphole! Always an NY wannabe! Lol

[@1234Leeky]

@@rogerakline6148 HOW DARE YOU SAY SUCH A THING

[@glenonoko4918]

Interstate 99 in Pennsylvania may be the only interstate on the U.S. mainland that does not directly connect via ramps to any other interstate. At I-99's southern end at Bedford PA, you have to go through two signalized intersections and a toll booth to connect to Interstates 70 & 76 (Pennsylvania Turnpike). At I-99's northern end, there is an "End 99" sign at the end of the freeway before you get to the at-grade intersections for the ramps on and off I-80.

[@WerewolfLord]

When saying "weird and peculiar things" and moving the map to the UK, I was half-expecting a mention of the UK's weirdest motorway, the A6144(M), almost Britain's I-180.

[@qwertyTRiG]

Or the fact that Britain and Northern Ireland have completely separate road numbering schemes, so that the UK has two unrelated motorways both called M1.

[@goodmaro]

There is an official, legal way to designate and sign these "exceptions to the rules" in the Interstate Highway System for "business routes". They're supposed to have a white-on-green sign and the word "BUSINESS" in a shield the same shape as the rest of the Interstate signs, and then this I-180 would be up to code. Except it's then supposed to be a parallel connecting road, not a perpendicular spur, so there'd have to be another "I-180" off I-80 somewhere for this to be the business route of. But since there's no limit on how close it has to be, that could be an I-180 in another state!

[@goomy02]

The north/south I-82 connecting I-84 and I-90 sets me on edge every time I travel it

[@JoeStalin412]

be from Wyoming and going to Cheyenne every week I have been on this "interstate" before and I thought it was a normal road.

[@TheLowlyTraveller]

I would check out I-70 in Breezewood, PA. This short stretch of I-70 has intersections as well.

[@amiausUSA]

I know of something similar in Quebec City, Quebec, along A-440 (Autoroute Dufferin-Montmorency) just northeast of downtown, as I have been to QC twice since 2016. There is a traffic signal at Boulevard Francois de Laval and A-440. Speed limit is up to 100 km/h. And that's at the continuous part of A-440. Between downtown and Ste. Foy aka Saint Sauveur, A-440 turns into Boulevard Charest and resumes as A-440 until it intersects with A-73 towards the YQB Jean Lesage airport.

[@SadisticSenpai61]

Take a look at I-35 as it approaches the southern edge of the Twin Cities - there's stoplights and it massively slows down and there's frontage roads. Then it splits into I-35W and I-35E. It was always one of the things that we noted meant we had about 1-2 hours until we got home when my family lived in the northern suburbs of the Twin Cities (all of our family lives in Iowa and we've since moved back to Iowa). Traffic varied a lot depending on whether or not there was a game and exactly what time we reached the Twin Cities - hence why it varied as much as an hour.

[@user117831]

It does the same in Dallas-FortWorth.

[@seancourts4184]

Good start! Another interesting topic would be the Breezewood, PA interchange on the PA turnpike.

[@reesejabs1895]

The main route of I - 80 also violates the interstate rules in Red Desert, Wyoming. There appears to be a town on the map but is really only a map dot with some stores out in the middle of nowhere. There in the middle of the Red Desert - a huge area of nothing but red soil and sage brush, is a spot where there is a place to simply drive left over the opposite lane to the frontage road. When I was there years ago, there was a gas station and an adult bookstore, and little else. I found it hilarious. It's somewhere between Rock Springs and Rawlins, Wyoming.

[@johnnymiranda9106]

In Corpus Christi, Texas, the southern terminus of I-37 ends as a freeway on the intersection of N Mesquite St. Then, it passes 2 more crossing intersections while it's still I-37. There's no street name change. There are 2 businesses that has a street address as I-37, and has a standard sidewalk on both directions. I-37 southbound officially ends on Shoreline Blvd.

[@turnpike9680]

Another violator you might be interested in is I-40 in Texas near the NM border. Along the first 15 miles or so, there are at-grade crossings for ranch access. Granted, traffic on 40 doesn't have to stop at all, but there are stop signs coming out of the ranch fields and the cross-median connectors that almost make you forget that you're on one of the most traveled freight corridors in the US.

[@RoggeRN4]

I remember when I-90 (Seattle to Boston) eliminated it's last stop light in Wallace, Idaho in 1991. So, there have been exceptions. Interstate 90, you may recall, is the longest in the system. After being established in 1956 it took nearly 35 years to finally eliminate that last stop light in a small mountain town.

[@kc5krp]

Also, I-110 in Biloxi, Mississippi has a stop light for a draw bridge.

[@timmcdonald9856]

I-75 kind of ended in the same way, before it trailed out into the Palmetto Expressway. The only difference was that they didn't call it an interstate. But it used to just go from being I-75 to 824. But at least they had a sign that said I-75 END before it changed. That was on my first trip to Miami back in the late 80's. Now 75 ends by feeding you onto the Palmetto expressway.

[@crouton5892]

I93 through Franconia Notch State Park in NH is another weird example. No intersections, but it’s only 1 lane through the state park.

[@animesucks9863]

The technical reason this one has intersections is because it's also interstate 25 Business so it doesn't need to be a freeway. The fact that it doubles up as a "regular" interstate and a business route is already weird enough tho

[@supercellex4D]

just... call it I-25 business!

[@killroyjohnson1256]

I39 does that going into RockTurd (aka Rockford) Illinois and I 63 (I think) used to do it coming from Milwaukee wis into Beloit but they just fixed that one. If you weren't paying attention and been hauling ass on the interstate for a while, you just might find yourself approaching an intersection with cars about to blast across and find yourself right in town. Mind blowing!

[@jamesthejet1501]

In jersey city interstate 78 intersects with several streets and both sides arent even connected so the 3 streets that intersect with I-78 intersect with it twice.

[@realadrieno]

in jersey city I-78 has a similar problem

[@coreysmith8560]

They should upgrade it to interstate standards to make it legit.

[@seant1133]

I’m from Cheyenne, although I love the idea of making it an actual interstate it’ll probably never happen because it’s one of the only major roads that connects downtown to south Cheyenne. There would have to be a freeway built above the landscape to connect the areas and that’s too much money and residents wouldn’t vote for the urbanization of the small city. People in Cheyenne already annoyed it’s becoming a popular northern city of the front range urban corridor

[@theodoreskaff1209]

I 76 ends at an intersection with both left and right turn lanes and traffic signals just west of the I 71 interchange west of Akron Ohio. It the continues as US 224 a divided highway for 7 miles before becoming a 2 lane goat path across Ohio.

[@XtremeTony]

The city of San Diego released old footage from the early 70’s with a city employee driving through city streets with the camera on the dashboard. I-15 used to be in that category with traffic lights on a street once known as Murphy Canyon Road. It’s really interesting how much of a difference that section of I-15 is now compared to half a century ago.

[@wyomatt2436]

Its I-180 which is basically a business loop, not sure what all the bouncing around the country is all about.

[@alexandermelendez1661]

Cool channel bro

[@bobblum5973]

Wait, how can _this_ be I-180 when I watched your other video about I-180 in Illinois going to Hennepin? The mind reels with the implications! (Seriously, I do realize it's because they're in different states, like I-270 around Columbus, Ohio _and_ St. Louis, Missouri.)

[@IndirectHydrox]

And there’s also I-270 in Maryland, which (almost) goes into Washington DC.

[@dustychevy1693]

There is also an i180 going into Williamsport PA. 😂

[@danielbishop1863]

Yeah, the 3 digit numbers can be reused in different states.

[@RedBecker17FDNZero]

I remember a barber shop and beauty salon on Central Ave and 9th Street where the southbound lanes are. Hey it's Wyoming, be surprised there wasn't a cattle and sheep crossing there too A junior high was at 8th Street and Warren so they put a pedestrian overpass there.

[@RealEgamingYT]

1:10 In I-585 in Spartanburg, SC begins that exact same way

[@AaronSmith-kr5yf]

Talk about I-840 in the Nashville area. It was originally a "state route" so they could build it cheaper and avoid federal guidelines. Same damn thing though, it was a limited access freeway, two lanes in each direction, 70mph speed limit, exits were designed just like an interstate freeway. Thing was since they cheaped out on the road construction, the bridges were pretty solid, but the 200' of road going up to the bridge was a real piece of shit that sank, causing cars to bobble over a huge bump when they hit the bridge. Then going thru western Williamson county they hit some opposition of wealthy land owners/NIMBY'S. Things got tied up for 10 years or so in the courts before they finally built the road, with special culverts to protect the streams and crayfish.

[@al007italia]

Sounds like the same people who planned the Colorado version of I-180 are the same people who planned the Northwest Arterial here in Dubuque.

[@luckylag360]

Unbelievable, this needs to be fixed. I also frequent Google maps. I can’t believe I never saw this.

[@GeoHuman.]

I-85 onto I-585 in Spartanburg, SC has a diamond interchange and until recently wasn't officially signed all the way to I-85

[@crazydog1243]

Believe it or not, I-585 still isn't official to the North of I-85 Business. FHWA has never approved that part.

[@GeoHuman.]

@@crazydog1243 There were signs last time I passed, maybe just some weird stuff SC's doing.

[@j.f.e.productions4098]

I think it has something to do with the bridge replacement on business 85. Maybe to better direct traffic into Spartanburg

[@michaelmiller9458]

@@GeoHuman. just because it is signed as I-585 does not mean that it's legally designated as such. Legally, the stretch from Business I-85 (the OG I-85) to "new" I-85 is US-176. SCDOT took some liberties in signing this stretch of highway. Legally speaking, I-585 is an orphan interstate, not being connected to any other interstate highway.

[@dianayount2122]

Breezewood comments are bringing back memories of my father wondering what happened to the freeway when traveling on that stretch.

[@Alexs23743]

Supposedly, there are more of these "rule-breaker" Interstates in Alaska and Puerto Rico. Closer to where I live, the U.S. 460 bypass in Blacksburg had an at-grade intersection with the back way into Virginia Tech (the way you'd get to their famous football field, Lane Stadium) until 2017 or 2018, when it was upgraded to an interchange. Also, a portion of U.S. 501 in Lynchburg is a "bypass" with just two lanes. Good luck using the passing zones there. D: (Yeah, these aren't Interstates, but they're close enough for me. ^^)

[@fldon2306]

Pennsylvania has traffic lights on their interstates! 1: I-676 on the East end of “the trench” through Philly, joins 6th ST where there is a traffic light. 676 then hooks left for the approach to Ben Franklin Bridge, continuing on to New Jersey. 2: I-70 Breezewood, PA “dumps onto US-30 for about a quarter mile, where there is a traffic light at the Flying J Truck Stop, before ramping onto I-76, the Pennsylvania Turnpike.

[@johnfitzpatrick3094]

At first, I thought you were going to talk about I-180 in Illinois. If it traveled all the way to Peoria, IL, it might make sense, but it just goes a few miles, and ends after it crosses the Illinois River. I heard it's the least traveled interstate in the country.

[@SadisticSenpai61]

Basically, I-180 should be a state highway, but WY managed to get the Feds to fund it as though it's an interstate - probably because it connects to their state capital and thus makes it an important road. Without the interstate designation, the amount the Feds would spend on its maintenance would decrease (although highways do also get federal money - we talked about that locally for a debate on whether to rezone the portion of the Lincoln Highway that goes through our town).

[@fluffr_nuttr8032]

Idk to me exceptions in the interstate system are what make it interesting... and besides the standard breaking, is a full freeway even needed in the area?

[@r4ls3i60]

I like those exceptions 😂 especially traffic lights on interstates

[@mobeydick37]

I-90 West of Gillette has exits [No Ramps no speed reduction lanes] onto dirt roads where you can go 100 or so feet, cross under the interstate on a dirt road and get back on the interstate going back the other direction.

[@triplej755]

I-70 in Breezewood PA violates the rules too. It stop in the middle of the town, through its Main Street with a bunch of restaurants and gas stations. This always bugged me as someone who regularly travels between MD and Erie PA.

[@joshuabessire9169]

I've seen 2 of your videos today and both were about freak I-180s. Something is very weird with the algorithm today.

[@Justin-Ray_Brown]

I live in Cheyenne and growing up I always thought it was part of highway 85. But I noticed the street sign saying I -180 and I was so confused. Thought it was a special kind of interstate but no it’s just poorly designed and isn’t even an interstate. Closest thing I’ve seen to this was in rapid city SD ( a city the same size as Cheyenne) on I -190. But it follows all the rules you just stated in this video making it make more sense to be an actual interstate. It would be more convenient if I-180 didn’t have those intersections and also had a higher speed going into town like a good chunk of Wyoming 212 (college drive and four mile road)

[@cardelf6159]

I-40 has several at-grade intersections between Glenrio and Adrian, TX. They are all ranch driveways however, so it's not too big of a deal

[@SpicyElaichi]

I think highways in Yuba City and Humboldt CA, and some other parts of Northern CA do this. You can see it in the maps on GTA V too in the Northeast

[@seamusmckeon9109]

There’s also that weird section in I-676 in Philly

[@Irishfan]

It is possible the route for I-180 is on a existing road. The signs were put up and as they get funding over time it will be upgraded to interstate standards. This is what happened with two Interstates in Ohio. I-80 snd I-280. I-80 is the Ohio Turnpike, a toll road. It was built before the Interstate system. The tolls paid for the maintenance, and the bond that financed the initial construction. After that bond was paid off the road was suppose to become tool free. However the road wasn't designed and built to the Interstate standards. Not enough exits, improper radius in exit curves, grownd slopes to drainage ditches too steep and those ditches to close to the road. The drainage problem will require the state to buy more right of way to correct. So the US DOT, won't accept it into the Interstate system. So Ohio is forced into bonds to finance reconstruction and tools to pay the bonds and maintain the road. In the meantime, the state is making the changes in the road. I-280 is originally part of the Detroit-Toledo freeway. As late as into the 1980's it had a traffic light controlled intersection and a draw bridge that was more recently replaced wit a high level suspension bridge. Again this was because this road was built before the Interstate system was born.

[@CaseyGpdx]

I’ve been on I90 though Montana and the exits are more like right turns

[@Fade2005]

Here in Louisiana i49 is from Shreveport to New Orleans and Lafayette has intersections and the street name changes

[@aj402]

Back in the day while driving from Nashville to Gulf Shores Al on our honeymoon I-65 just ended in south downtown Birmingham Al. No warning. It was nighttime and a very dangerous area. Took us about 30 minutes to reach where the interstate restarted.

[@priyaranjansahu6026]

Check out I-265. It spurs of I-65 in Louisville, KY and for some reason returns to *I-64* in *Jeffersonville, IN!*

[@rylencason4420]

I gave every comment previous of mine a like to respect this small community!

[@Jross1148]

Petition to rename it to WY-180

[@osiand9328]

In the UK, on junction 26 of the M6 the M58 ends on a double roundabout. There is one other road off this junction that leads towards a normal A-road. This road is considered part of the M58 ("Motorway") even though it is a single carriageway road with no central barrier or gap. It's really bizarre

[@AveryPambianchi]

i86 along the route a ways past binghamton sometimes stops and has some at grade intersections, and for that stretch they just call it NY-17 for the tiny portion. also funny how i99 has a large portion where they call it route 15 but then they pick back ip with i99 for the tiny stretch when it comes into NY right befrore ending at i86

[@liteng3867]

yeah there is one part on I-89 north a few miles from the capital that a road leads directly to the interstate, no exits at all

[@Devoidedvoid]

good video man

[@BeaverGeography]

Appreciate it

[@supermarble94]

is this a fever dream? I've been through Cheyenne, WY many times and never seen I-180, only business loop 80.

[@Justin-Ray_Brown]

Thought the same thing growing up here but once you see the interstate signs you’ll never miss them again cause it’s such a random road to see an interstate sign on

[@jerryhorne7547]

All the 360 degree spinning in the video dang near gave me headache

[@sparker9]

I have one for you to wrap your head around interstate i585 off of i85 in Spartanburg SC, diamond interchange with traffic lights

[@garyrobbins9197]

How about freeways that cross over themselves. I know of two, I-8 east of Yuma, and I-5 north of LA and south of the split for CA-99.

[@mr_coffee0109]

I- 85 does that too in North Carolina near milemarker 100. We thinking on why they design these highways the way they did.

[@danieldaniels7571]

@@mr_coffee0109 topography

[@louieatienza8762]

I-78 helix going to the Lincoln Tunnel

[@chadnga8]

Wow! I've never heard of I-180... but that's a hot mess! While I lived in Atlanta from 1992 - 2003... we had Neverending intestate construction.... and it's still going on. The HOV lanes were great... but not they're are "peach pass" lanes that are basically toll lanes on the intestate! ... not the whole road... just the far left lane! Crazy.... bc if you don't LIVE IN Atlanta, and are just passing through, you're not able to use the express lanes unless you know to apply for a Peach Pass account before driving through Atlanta.

[@cobalt8619]

i lost all respect for the DOT and US Federal Highway Administration the moment these pointless interstates where built through black neighborhoods

[@DoughboyPathyUSA]

Lol, I stayed on the town end of the interstate one time I went down, Thought it was weird to get on an interstate highway to go to my grandpas house in town, 4 blocks up (other side of the UP yard)

[@TurkJD]

Part of me wants to travel 45 min west just to take this highway for no reason

[@taylora5224]

I’ve driven this road several times, and had no idea it was called I-180 lol

[@WPM_in_ATL]

Just wondering...have you been on this highway?

[@BeaverGeography]

went past it, but never on it

[@thedrewmackattack]

Awesome video.

[@austinhavlik9746]

Interstate 380 in Iowa is a little confusing once you get into Waterloo it ends at a regular intersection I honestly don’t know when it ends at or begins at in Waterloo IA

[@robertsteinbach7325]

It's not as infuriating as what Jacksonville used to do us. I think it was I-10 and the bulk of the interstate used to go down and hit an intersection, with only one raised bypass to avoid the intersection to "follow the rule". WTF! 5 lanes on one side and 5 lanes of the other side of I-10 have to stop at a SIGNAL LIGHT!!! Finally they built a bridge over the road but, really folks.

[@sebastientumahai9560]

Fuck me that’ll be depressing living in any none coastal American city, except Chicago

[@GLOATINGMAPLE01]

They should either upgrade it to interstate standards or downgrade it to a state or US highway

[@spongytitles2704]

It seems that the number "180" is an unlucky number for the Interstate Highway System.

[@MrRory]

Could not follow due to the constant jumping around.

[@jerryhorne7547]

Plus the 360 degree spinning

[@sab8328]

This is cool 😎