The Vanessa We Didn't See (A Character lost to Cuts)

[@ftrwrwbg]

Really wild how the game clearly had a ton of story planned for it and the final product had basically no story at all. Don’t really understand how that happened.

[@wafagdplqs4421]

​@@MoltenRage41I share this impression

[@asun8148]

@@MoltenRage41 nah it was the devs fault, game got delayed by like 3 years and during that time they mainly focused on expanding the pizza plex

[@Super_NoHero]

@@MoltenRage41 but they were also just in over their heads with feature creep, team was/is waaaay too small for what they wanted to ultimately do

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. A team of VR game developers shouldn't have been brought on board for an open-world first-person game. They simply weren't qualified. Time constraints were also a problem (being an AAA game with an indie time budget), but from the fact that they were making huge changes months before release, it's clear they were in over their heads.

[@jeremyallen5974]

Scott had to sign off due to cancerous political BS and I guess Steel Wool studios couldn't be arsed to hire anyone to replace him. Which is probably why they shoved the game out the door in such a blatantly unfinished state

[@laudj_art]

Vanessa in the trailers: A woman doing her job, sounds like she is scared for Gregory and cares about him Vanessa in the final game: *Karen*

[@yomomma6559]

Karen took the kids

[@danoobking901]

@@yomomma6559 fax

[@untodesu]

White woman jumpscare

[@mattstuff9938]

“Little boy! Come on out right now or else I’ll have to call the M A N A G E R “

[@Bitchy-girl]

Fr

[@Luna-fn2nv]

The idea that Vanessa was supposed to have been a much more fleshed out character, with actual personality and heart, I think would've had a genuinely gut-wrenching impact on the regular Vanny ending we have now. Maybe that still would've been in the game? (just not in comic book format please god) As it is, the Vanny ending is literally just *there*. It's the ending you get when you're tired of playing the game, it's the ending you go for when you spend 2 hours trying to not die only for an animatronic to spawn on top of you, instantly giving you a Game Over. Seeing Vanny die to some is even funny (in its ridiculousness as a comic), it has literally 0 impact on anybody actually playing the game.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

If this Vanessa would've been in the game, both of those endings and the Rooftop one would've been so much more impactful! Though I feel like Rooftop's reveal could've only worked if it was an early-on, secret ending.

[@waggieentertainment9387]

Bruh I’m just confused how in Steel Wool’s infinite wisdom, they never thought to make the comic book endings… in the minigame style. Like it would make sense given minigames were used to show the story events, they feel more FNAF than comic books, and it would not remind me how not scary Freddy’s design is.

[@superadambomb5834]

I think one of the biggest problems with security breaches story is the emotion. Or more specifically, the way the emotion was handled. In the original games the emotional moments hit hard because we got to see everything leading up to it and we got to care. We saw the dead kids in fnaf 2 so when we see them finally move on in fnaf 3 it becomes really emotional. In fnaf 6 when Henry is giving his speech we feel every word he says because we’ve been playing through this story and we now see it end in this climactic way. As for security breach there’s just no build up to the emotion except for one scene. The vanny ending in which Freddy dies could’ve been very heartbreaking but it was ruined by that stupid comic book art style. The story needed to establish its characters better and give them actual motivation in order for the audience to care.

[@theimmortalkingofvanaheim7890]

This game needed more time

[@XSilver_WaterX]

And more funding as paypal doubled fudge Scott over the anniversary plan, AGAIN! We need either a new economy or live in the post-apocalypse of one.

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

To add to this, the game files also include some subtitles for the unused lines. Originally, Gregory said the reason he didn't trust Vanessa wasn't because she was trying to "get" him, but because she tried to kill him. The reason Freddy brought Gregory to first-aid wasn't because he was "broken", but because Gregory was bleeding. Remember Vanny was originally supposed to carry a knife, and Gregory has a bandage.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Oh yeah, that was a good chunky of the censoring there.

[@RotheAlien]

According to fnaf creators kids can handle being mauled and jumpscared by animatronics but can't handle the word kill and a knife

[@BLASTERX-nz5lk]

​@@RotheAlien😑😓🤦👉

[@VenomQuill]

THIS! THIS! _THIS!!!!!_ One of the bigger reasons why I hated the Gregbot theory is the censored line Matpat used as proof ("You are broken") that he's a bot when in reality he got cut and bled. I thought he got cut on a vent. Maybe he got cut by Vanny. Maybe Vanessa was in the wrong place/wrong time sorta thing. He got caught by Vanny and Gregory ( terrified out of his mind and running from her) ran into Vanessa who was no longer Vanny. Vanessa, scared and agitated, used the wrong tone with a kid already distrustful of authority on top of being scared witless and injured, and he got instantly suspicious of her. Maybe not suspicious that she was Vanny, but suspicious because she was an adult.

[@Hamzurger]

⁠​⁠@@VenomQuillthere’s even an in universe explanation for Gregory saying you are broken because Freddy’s speech is usually robotic like instead of saying I’m not feelin good he would say I am not feeling very well.

[@jaymelo6153]

Sooo... Apparently after Matpat did a theory on what he thought the game would be (basically predicting that the plot twist was that Vanessa = Vanny and we would pass the whole game wondering if we should trust her) SteelWool send him an email "jokingly" asking if he had contact with someone within the development team.... Basically there's a chance SteelWool changed the game content just so we wouldn't get in the game already knowing what would happen (I think that's a little dumb...)

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

It wouldn't be the first time a Game Theory video led to the game's story veering in another direction, I think. >.

[@MahNamJeff]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 The only other time i can recall that happening is fnaf 4, purely because of how vile the reaction to dream theory was. as scott said in the dawko interview “So i made fnaf 4, but then people weren’t happy with the story so i made Sister location.” or something like that.

[@wakkaseta8351]

So they wanted to subvert our expectations, goodie

[@andromxda]

This actually just reminded me. Before that game theory episode, the ONLY indication that vanny and vanessa were one in the same was a funko statue titled “vanny and Vanessa” which is what revealed Vanessa’s name. Before that, everyone thought they were two different people, and that Vanessa was on our side, as gregory. Funko has been NOTORIOUS for leaking a ton of information about security breach without permission, having been the perpetrator for leaking the Glamrocks’ designs, as well as Vanny’s full suit design, before it was supposed to be leaked. Scott even mentioned this. We also had NO IDEA Glamrock Freddy would be on our side until this same Funko leak that revealed Vanessa’s name. Game Theory only got their theory because of a Funko leak. It would have been 100% a surprise that Vanessa wasn’t on our side if it weren’t for funko. I think Steel Wool were thinking “Darn, Funko leaked our twist. But!! Not everybody knows about the merch, not everybody keeps up with that stuff, it’s fine.” And then Game Theory, EVERY FNAF FAN’S first source of lore information, and someone EVERY fnaf fan at least knows about, also exposed this. And then, Steel wool tried to alter the game. That is my theory, I guess.

[@MahNamJeff]

@@andromxda while not every fnaf fan watches game theory, the leaks were notorious enough to spark a meme in the community thanks to scotts whole “Things will be handled VERY differently” thing. and considering funko kept leaking stuff, i wonder if something changed in the game instead.

[@lizryan7451]

I will forever be bummed that the game we actually got was such a far cry from the game that we saw in the trailers. I feel like they had such a solid and intriguing setup that fell in line with everything we knew from Help Wanted and Special Delivery, and they threw it all away for no discernible reason. If story was sacrificed for the sake of making the Pizzaplex bigger, I don't think it was a worthwhile tradeoff.

[@higueraft571]

>and they threw it all away for no discernible reason More because the Deadline was coming up and they had to cut everything that wasnt finished or CRITICAL :V

[@lizryan7451]

@@higueraft571 True. I think it just feels like such strange and abrupt choice to me bc they clearly had gotten far enough in development of their original plan to have tons of cut lines and mechanics in the game files. I'm no game developer but it sure seems like a lot of wasted time and effort to scrap that much material and start over when a deadline is looming. And I got the impression from comments the developers made that the delay was due at least in part to their desire to make the Pizzaplex bigger and bigger. So it very much comes across to me as though they had to make a choice between meeting their deadline with a smaller Pizzaplex, but better fleshed out story that was already well into development, or a huge Pizzaplex with a revamped, simpler story and chose the latter.

[@Tacocat227]

I know... it feels like it was too rushed.... they didn't get to put everything they wanted into the game. I hope the same doesn't happen in the movie, the teaser looks so good...

[@nylex5206]

@@lizryan7451 On top of that, with a bigger establishment location comes a fairly massive and obvious logical inconsistency. For one, with such a massive location as the Pizzaplex is in the current release, how would the animatronics, in a realistic scenario, be able to find Gregory at all? The kid's about as tall as a large plant pot, which would make him all the more harder to locate with his small size, on top of the fact that the Plex has *seven floors*, including the two basements. Even if the staffbots were made to just sound an alarm, it'd still take the animatronics a while to run from one area to another. It's just a wild ring-around-the-rosie goose chase within a million-square-foot playground.

[@lucasfragoso7634]

​@@nylex5206also let's be real there no logic for how it came into existence. Like the building is massive so it must have taken a lot of capital to build. Also there's one night guard for this whole facility? Whays the deal with that? They could spend millions to make this giant building but not hire more then 2 at most night guards (Vanessa like most night shift workers is probably a couple days on and a couple days off I should know I work midnights)

[@AntforceYT]

The biggest thing that bothers me most with Security Breach is how absolutely WASTED Vanessa and Vanny were in the game. I was so excited to learn more about them, then we lose almost all story from the game and we get a bratty narcissist and a Rabbit who wants to kill you but is too lazy to do so throughout the game. I really hope Ruin steps it up with these two because they were my favorite FNAF characters and it pains me that they were so underutilized!

[@MeemahSN]

No, they’ll release a story about Vanny or Vanessa but won’t actually go into detail about them as characters

[@deadgetout5477]

The DLC is called Ruin because it's about to ruin the FNAF story more than SB already has. /j

[@Funiman1]

@@deadgetout5477 ah yes only 2 games to ruin the fnaf story. What a big deal, we all know Sony ruined security breach especially fnaf fans who can’t wait a damn second for a game release. If Sony wasn’t full of such Whiny babies then security would have scarier content and more gore lines

[@yomomma6559]

​@@Funiman1who is sony?

[@Funiman1]

@@yomomma6559 a company That screwed security breach over

[@pizzadog2191]

I really liked that Vanny meter concept that was mentioned in the video. What if as the meter built up, Vanessa's voice lines would get more and more desperate until the meter filled, changing her from the "reluctant follower" into the more evil Vanny. I feel like it would just be way more impactful and would get us as the audience to feel more for Vanessa.

[@laiyinquan8355]

100%. It's really unfortunate that more of the fanbase aren't sympathetic or even bother with Vanessa, purely because of how much of her story is implied and inferred.

[@stonecoldaries8117]

the "they wont stop hunting you, none of them will stop hunting you" line definitely, to me, sounds like it would have taken place after freddy became shattered. gregory would want to save him from the glitch and also would trust freddy if he seemed to be freed, vanessa is subtly saying that freddy cant be saved so gregory should just save himself. anyway i hope the ruin dlc will actually go into depth with vanessa/vanny's storyline because it is too interesting to leave as is. I hope everyone who reads this has a good day!!!!

[@yomomma6559]

When i first saw that trailer i thought vanessa was baby just because her old VA was Heather Masters

[@stonecoldaries8117]

@@yomomma6559 that would have been so cool if baby was a prominent animatronic or somehow possessing vanessa. circus baby is my favorite fnaf character

[@yomomma6559]

@@stonecoldaries8117 i even saw a few theories talking abt that vannesa could be baby because her green eyes and the same VA I honestly don't like the new VA of vanny and vannesa, they really don't fit them, the old voice of vanny sounds more friendly and that voice could attract kids to her so she kills them, like we saw in the first teaser of SB but the new one like how a kid would trust that voice

[@stonecoldaries8117]

@@yomomma6559 that is such a great theory that she is/was going to be baby, it makes so much sense with them having similar hair color and the same eye color. especially how she would make herself seem friendly and helpful but actually isnt. i definitely think they wanted to go that route originally but changed her story for some reason. especially with the tapes we find, one of her therapists calls her out for lying about her childhood and saying her fathers name was bill, it would make sense that either shes baby or glitchtrap is making her think she is. i dont think ill ever understand the voice acting change, like you said a child wouldnt want to go anywhere with her with how she speaks to them. i can see them setting up her sounding menacing and mean to gregory and any other kids as a way for her to scare them away before vanny takes over and kills them, but its never indicated anywhere that thats what shes doing, and shes mean to freddy too so it just seems like a very weird 180 character change. sorry that was very long

[@yomomma6559]

@@stonecoldaries8117 imo if they added lore answers like "why vannesa acts like elizabeth/baby?" Or "Why they're suspiciously similar in terms of design, and attitude?" because baby seems nice at first but she isn't at the end, and vanessa ALSO seems nice but she isn't at the end, Sadly they scrapped the whole original game and the history is just lame now

[@omaraliwan437]

can we all collectively agree that burntrap was originally william afton but after all the backlash they received he was changed to be the mimic?

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Oh yeah, I can see that happening. XD

[@aiiv7839]

I can see that being the case, even though from what I've read, that doesn't seem likely.

[@omaraliwan437]

​@@aiiv7839how so? was there foreshadowing towards the mimic before it's introduction in tales from the pizzaplex?

[@aiiv7839]

@@omaraliwan437 I don't have any physical proof, but I've read comments on Reddit and Twitter that the TFTPP storylines were being planned by Scott as early as 2019. They're only comments, though, so I'd take that with a grain of salt.

[@omaraliwan437]

​@@aiiv7839we all know scott isn't one to think too far into the future so some stuff could have been changed

[@inciniumz4671]

It's sad how much, potentially great, content was lost in the development hell that was Security Breach. It's sad, though hopefully this can help others to avoid the same mistakes and losses.

[@Adventist1997]

I think it's a sign companies need to STOP rushing products and only release them when their finished. Setting a date when you can't fit everything into that time frame only sets them up for problems.

[@Fighter_Builder]

This. I feel Security Breach should be taken as a cautionary tale to game developers about the dangers of scope creep.

[@inciniumz4671]

@@Fighter_Builder Yes!

[@CraftageNate]

@@Adventist1997more so with a game like this with a dedicated community, once you have your plans set in stone, you need to roll with it rather then destroy it and try to create something new for ‘Matpat-Views’

[@darthvaderdylan]

if there's one thing i hate it is wasted potential. This has given me a new perspective on a similar matter: Silk Song can wait, there is no rush.

[@TheFazbearShowtimer]

Vanessa’s story just makes, well, a lot more sense if the cut content was in. Her story and the cut content really connect together cohesively. It just feels like the mad/grunt-wrench version isn't entirely connected. Honesty, a lot of Security Breach cut content seems to commonly suffer this. It has a really good narrative in place, like the idea Freddy was gonna turn evil, or Vanessa was gonna try to help us. But because it was removed it kinda leaves pieces of what WAS a good story. Which is sad considering Security Breach doesn’t seem that bad Imo, but could’ve been even better to a lot of the fans.

[@x-nimator9997]

From what i'm playing so far, the game's actually fine. Probably more fun than fnaf 3 or SL i'd say. The unfinished story is what harms the game the most.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

The game is in a more playable state than release by far. When I bought it, the pathfinding was broken for at least a month. Making the game a slog. >.< But I think they fixed it so the animatronics stick to their predetermined path in certain areas now.

[@eagleowl833]

I would honestly support a remake of security breach. If we just give them a year or two to use what they already have to finally finish what should have been an amazing game.

[@yomomma6559]

If they do that i would be so happy, but they'll most likely never, ever, gonna do a remake

[@belynda1224]

LITERALLY WHAT I WAS THINKING! If they ever do that, I'd jump for joy till I land in a springlock suit lmfao

[@mariotheundying]

Or they could update the game and not charge extra for it, increase the game price a bit but that's it

[@donnie_duckling]

if Steel Wool doesn't make it, maybe fans can mod it to add all the unused content and in general tey and make it better the bad thing being they couldn't get any sort of money in exchange for it, which is a shame :((

[@Masterprocrastinator223]

Considering how fan games usually are, I’m all for them letting the fans create their own version of security breach.

[@sunburst6598]

Vanessa had so much potential, being a compassionate security guard trying to gain Gregory's trust to help him escape the horrors of the Pizza Plex, while also being controlled against her will into some crazy killer in a rabbit suit by Afton. This plot would have been a lot more disturbing and twisted, Gregory eventually understanding the gravity of her situation and being able to defeat Afton in order to free her soul from his wrath destroying all that remains of his twisted legacy, and thus building a bond with her and possibly becoming Gregory's caretaker. Not sure how Freddy would contribute, but since he's in Safe Mode, he would likely have helped them escape as well and made sure his robot friends made it out safely. Everyone is happy, the perfect ending.

[@BLASTERX-nz5lk]

✊😄😆😂💛 Yeeess!

[@christophercordero9352]

When I heard "originally five nights" the makeshift rooms finally clicked. They were save points/shift to next nights. The pizzaplex was originally a unlockable open world, Vanessa helping originally but shifting into Vanny more and more with each night. All got scrapped due to Sony and Crunch shenanigans

[@DalekOfChaos666]

Vanessa went from this initially ambiguous character/potentially being an ally when Vanny doesn't take over to being a Karen

[@aiiv7839]

Like everybody else is saying, Security Breach is filled to the brim with potential, lost due to cut content. It's really a shame. Vanessa is one of those potentials that I was really looking forward to. Thankfully, there are a few fanfics that expand on this potential, such as Vanessa being an ally! That helps ease the emptiness SB as it stands, has!

[@skrilllfury2120]

Got any links to those fics?

[@Kitten-pl3ty]

I'm interested as well

[@aiiv7839]

@@skrilllfury2120 I've tried to send links, but it seems it got deleted. I'll give you the names for them instead: FNAF Security Breach: SUPERSTAR Edition. FNAF: Salvation (on AO3) and Security Breach: Maintaining Control (on AO3).

[@themaskedtalker2171]

Heyy, I'm working in one, too!!! ^^

[@aiiv7839]

@@themaskedtalker2171 Cool! Please let me know the name and where to read it when you're done!

[@karalyzel3177]

It's really disappointing that devs don't retry at making a game when it comes out of the oven wrong, especially when it's so clear that their original idea had, and still has, potential.

[@ItsJavaJawa]

They could make a sort of directors cut of the game with all the cut content. Maybe call it the "Cawthon Edition"

[@THGMR-ox7sd]

Sadly they’ll never remake the game. They have left a huge scar on the franchise and you know what scars are like.

[@ItsJavaJawa]

@@THGMR-ox7sd yes they left a huge scar on the series but that doesn't mean they can't fix it. They could bring back all the cut content, improve the game, and pull off a No Man's Sky arc.

[@vivivalley]

what about the dlc though?

[@karalyzel3177]

@@vivivalley We'll see how it comes out, but the chance for the original game to be a genre-defining horror experience is gone, and that's a shame.

[@kaiserreichempireofohio834]

Weird to consider not only she was a night guard at a kids themed mall in a post 2023 world(despite increasingly many facilities after like 2000ish probably not even having nightguards after automated security technology began drastically improving and being cheaper. Before anyone says anything, Fnaf 3 having a night guard is mostly because of a non existing budget for fazbear fright, and it’s the ruins of a facility shut down before 2000. Pizzaplex clearly has the budget for automated security without need of a human guard.), but she was the head of security of all things at an oddly young age(I’ve heard she’s 23, which is still about collage age, even if not exact, she still looks a little young for a high-up, high responsibility position). Obviously there’s fishy stuff going on at top, but that’s another thing.

[@ArtedaZeia]

fuhnaff's got a good video that sorta explains all that I'll see if I can find it for u 😉

[@kaiserreichempireofohio834]

@@ArtedaZeia KZbin usually doesn’t allow links, you think you could tell me the name of the video instead? Thanks!

[@princessmarlena1359]

Insurance companies are extremely stubborn and old fashioned. Maybe they would still want one live qualified human adult security guard on premises at all times?

[@kaiserreichempireofohio834]

@@princessmarlena1359 Idk, seems like the insurance risk would be worse possibly risking someone's life on top of all the facility property rather than just placing faith in reliable modern security systems. You do have a point though, might be an insurance thing

[@higueraft571]

@@kaiserreichempireofohio834 Just a note: >and it’s the ruins of a facility shut down before 2000. I dont think a whole-ass Amusement Park sprung up around a closed Fazbear location which JUST so happens to be perfectly built as a walk-through Horror House...

[@Turbomun]

I've always loved Vanessa and spent a lot of time thinking about her differing personalities in the tapes vs. in-game behavior. I always kind of thought that she knew that a kid being in the Pizzaplex after closing would mean that Vanny would strike again, and she was covering up her fear with frustration. I still like that interpretation because it's way better than facing the truth that she was watered down to make her more sexy and palatable. Thank you for explaining the cut content from the emails and her voice lines, some of which I couldn't figure out no matter how hard I tried, and the idea of a robot clone "sweet" Vanessa luring in Gregory to Vanny is the only version of the Two Vanessas theory that I like.

[@karak962]

i love the idea that her personality change is due to intense frustration, I hope they expand on her character

[@parasee2316]

Really sad how much cut content security breach had, and in Vanessa's case she has a lot of cut stuff, I would've loved to see her on team Gregory I'm pretty sure we even intended to play as her at some point, but that was cut, the only valid reason I think they cut this was because it would've revealed vanny's identity WAY too soon and unprofessionally but I still would've preferred that over what we have now :\

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Perhaps, but the Vanessa/Vanny reveal was pretty much doomed the second they decided to give them incredibly similar names. XD Like, if Vanny was just "Bunny" or if Vanessa was just called by her last name it could've been better.

[@parasee2316]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 yeah especially since when you find vanny's lair Freddy pretty just gives the whole thing away like bro is such a rat

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

When the "PROTECT" teaser was released I thought Vanessa was going to be a playable character

[@THGMR-ox7sd]

Cut content is leagues better than the final result 😢

[@parasee2316]

@@THGMR-ox7sd ikr 😢

[@klaykid117]

Security Breach is truly the game of "what could have been!" instead of what was. Reminds me of a Bethesda game in many regards including so much interesting stuff left on the cutting room floor.

[@Witzels]

Honestly would've just preferred if Vanny and Vanessa were two separate individuals, like the similar names being part of Vanessa being framed so Vanny could continue her fangirl-ish continuation of William's legacy or something

[@sarafontanini7051]

it certainly is a likely scenario and way more interesting. i would also make gregory question himself should he ever figure it out, in that event.

[@Danny328DT]

I thought that was the plan in the rooftop ending. The theory of her soul being on the rooftop still feels weird, but I guess after Security Breach Ruin, that seems to be non-canon.

[@neptuniamarina4924]

All of the revisions to security Breach make me soooo curious as to what was going on in Steel Wool when Scott “retired”. Cause like there’s rushing a game out, and then there’s changing everything a few months before release randomly. Something mustve been going on

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Oh yeah, something happened. Steel Wool had a recent interview where the guy was sort of answering questions vaguely, dancing around the bush, but at the end of it he seemed to all but confirm that Scott wasn't involved with the game at all or very much. You should check out 'Wha Happun'! They cover games like this and it's shocking how often game development just falls apart.

[@the_godbodor7026]

Vanessa got done so dirty. As you explained, there were so many different routes they could’ve taken her story and the events of the game and they decided on none of them, killing her character entirely. That last idea of Secuirty Guard Vanessa being a robot copy and the real Vanessa being Vanny would’ve been amazing as Gregory would grow attached and begin to care for the true Vanessa, as her copy would show him, leading to freeing her and possibly confronting Burntrap to truly finish things right. Security breach is just the textbook definition for missed potential.

[@gagaplex]

So sad that they simplified her. Her being under Burntrap's control but actually and visibly struggling against it, genuinely trying to help, would've made her a much more compelling character. I do wonder if it was _just_ a time issue, though, or if they (namely Scott Cawthon) didn't want such an unsettling thing as "trapped in your own body, forced to commit and witness atrocities" and instead wanted a simpler villain in their "game for kids": Security Breach had such things as mentions of blood removed and its general vibe is more childfriendly than older FNAF games. Maybe the original idea for Vanessa didn't fit the new era of FNAF. Then again, the books contain some awful concepts, so I really dunno.

[@donnie_duckling]

I can't help but find it hilarious, how m-preg was ok for fazbear frights but somehow mentioning blood in security breach was just "going too far"

[@CraftageNate]

Honestly, considering the books Scott writes, I don’t think this he would’ve cut that out. Rather, it was Steel Wool trying to One-Up the community for the context of L O R E. I firmly believe if Scott was the man in charge, he would’ve been proud that the community got it mostly right without ever clarifying it (via a Reddit/YT comment) and would have kept the damn timeline in order

[@SCP-469]

But the problem isn’t censorship, in my opinion, it’s INCONSISTENT censorship

[@Norinia]

I mean, that’s what they did anyways, just without any decent lore tied into it.

[@tylerrei6697]

Vanessa was set up so well, and then they retconned her whole character, and she's now just known as 'white woman jumpscare'

[@adammartinez8061]

Also…..A FNAF Theorist pointed out a giant smear of blood in Vanny’s hideout in RUIN. If Vanessa/Vanny is dead…..it makes the missed potential sadder.

[@KittyKordial]

I am genuinely saddened by the thought that we will never see this story and its characters the way they were originally intended to be presented. The more I see of the cut content and rumors of what this game was intended to be, the more excited I am by the idea of what it could have been. I feel bad for those who worked so hard on these early concepts for the game, as I'm sure it wasn't their fault that the game was cut back so drastically, and I truly hope that someday, somehow, the game they envisioned will come to be. But for now, I have high hopes for Ruin and I hope it is able to implement some of the lost content.

[@the_godbodor7026]

These videos are the real FNaF Encyclopedia. Going into important detail, not spending tons of time on random AR skins, and not leaving out any important characters.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Hey, thank you! 8D

[@wakkaseta8351]

Vanessa and Vanny are unfortunately lost causes at this point. SB was supposed to Vanny's grand entrance as the next main villain with Afton truly gone for good and the glitchtrap virus being more of a plot device, and it's obvious Steel Wool wanted us to get invested in Vanessa with all the focus she was getting in advertisements. Instead though, Steel Wool tripped them both up and sent them tumbling down the stairs so hard that you barely even say that they made a first impression at all.

[@124megaman]

This explains why I was left so confused when I first finished the game. Makes me wish they would've taken longer if it meant more development

[@koffiecake]

WAIT I JUST NOTICED HOW FUNNY BURNTRAPS VOICE LINES ARE like lmfao "YOU WILL DO AS I SAY 😡😡 YOU WILL BRING ME WHAT I WANT 😠😠😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬 AND IF YOU FAIL 😲 ME THEN YOU WILL, BOTH OF YOU, BUUUURNNN ☹️😭😭😱😱😱😡😡😡😡😡😠😠😠😠🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬" Like 🤓🤓🤓 I'm sorry but I find that genuinely hilarious, he sounds like a little kid who edited his voice to try to sound angry

[@DecepticonFan21]

*"Gregory, Be still, I think she has found us"*

[@Kaden10]

This shows that Security Breach needed some more polish in the writing stage. Vanessa on the surface is an interesting character but turning her into a mean bitch was such a huge 180.

[@higueraft571]

>needed some more polish in the writing stage. Well, more needed more time for the actual story to be finished, rather than rushed out the door thanks to Deadline Jumpscare...

[@sukidable]

Man, now I can really see how Security Breach must have been a totally different game before the crunch. I'd love if we could somehow get a "director's cut" version of the game that restores all of that...

[@higueraft571]

Same honestly...

[@ashuraomega7113]

"all of that" was likely in a beta that has been destroyed

[@zerotodona1495]

@@ashuraomega7113not destroyed but shelved.

[@youdontneedtoknow3025]

I like to think the cut princess quest lines was because william was trying to stop cassidy because he's scared of her. Also the story you came up with for the cut storyline was great and I would've loved it.

[@iammadmaxx66]

You’re genuinely my favorite FNAF KZbinr at the moment, NotReal. I love how in-depth you get with your video topics and really appreciate how you don’t pull any punches regarding FNAF’s many flaws.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Oh, thank you so much! ^_^

[@cassandrasnow4062]

"The truth is, remember. Vananny🍌🍌- VANNY was-" That honestly caught me off guard

[@miraclemassacre]

things i think: -Gregory doesnt trust Vanessa first because he is an orphan, he of course wouldnt likely trust adults after having none to help him for the most part. -NOBODY FUCKING WANTED BURNTRAP !! Glitchtrap is AMAZING character design and is MADD underrated and underused -Vanessa and Vanny being two seperate people would've been interesting, perhaps two sisters,, one controlled by Glitchtrap, and onr desperate to find and save her sister.

[@thesandwich5321]

I really hope in a few years time some passionate fans put this story back together properly. A mod would only need to add a few voicelines and maybe a cutscene or two to make this mess better.

[@jxbermudez]

So crazy to me that years or build up. A ton of promotional teases. And in game stuff all had to be thrown away because someone somewhere who had way too much say said no we need this game to come out now

[@scenecorpse]

i really wish they just waited a bit more time to work on the game. what we got still feels very unfinished and makes solving things so much harder. Vanessa had so much potential as a great character, but genuinely what we got felt so weak and lazy.

[@wafagdplqs4421]

I guess Sony made some pression on the Steelwool team

[@puppyeyes9291]

they should hire you as a writer. I wanna see your version of everything

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

I would love to write something official for fnaf. 🥺 But I'm not qualified. No literary agent, no connections.

[@puppyeyes9291]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 It is okay. You are doing a really good job with this channel! We love and appreciate you

[@starlightrai]

Even if she got to write, they would’ve cut all the lines she wrote just like the voice lines

[@OutOfNameIdeas819]

See again, this is where things get tricky. In the February gameplay trailer, Gregory is seen in Gator Golf at 12:07 AM and there is a cut hint box telling you that time moves in real time rather than being tied to a progression system. Had this been in the game, I don’t think they’d be able to build up a story since the player would be able to go anywhere that they want to instead of going over here and being given story and then going over there and continuing that story. It’s really tricky.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Then they were going for a Dead Rising approach. So, Dead Rising had a real in-game clock and mission markers. Basically, if you didn't time management, you wouldn't get the best ending. So, it does exist in games- in fact, games from over a decade ago. 😏 That plus the possible five days and the 'daytime mode' Steel Wool teased shows all we lost.

[@OutOfNameIdeas819]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 The daytime mode? This is my first time hearing of this! What is that about? 👀 Also I know I mentioned this once before but man I would love to hear your opinions and thoughts on SB’s cut content and trailer footage that never made it into the final game and how it would have all played out 8D

[@Deadhead-kq4hr]

There's also that cut booming voice in the Gameplay trailer when you get to kitchen part of the trailer for Sercurity breach

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

There was an interview during development, or maybe a Q&A, when Steel Wool said we'd be able to see the Pizzaplex during daylight hours. Alas, it never made it. Someday I'mma have to deconstruct the full trailer!

[@OutOfNameIdeas819]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Wow, how would that have worked? Would the game have ticked on past 6 AM and into the PM when the building is open? I’m not even sure how you could have the plex be shown during the day like that. But it sounds super cool 8D

[@lilyd.5692]

One thing that supports your theory about Vanessa and Vanny being two separate people is that they're voiced by two different voice actresses.

[@DillonMeyer]

The whole story would have been a lot more cohesive if they didn't do these cuts. Just from the voicelines, I'm able to piece together what the original plot was: Afton was telling Vannessa to capture Gregory, and that he would torture and kill her if she didn't comply. Since we know he can control the animatronics directly, I would assume that he was originally the one controlling all of the animatronics when they would be hunting Gregory, and that he was talking to Vannessa directly through the animatronics rather than in person. With the mask on, Afton could also directly control Vannessa, as "Glitchtrap" is just some sort of code/program that has been let loose in the AR world due to the events in Help Wanted that gives Afton control of the person wearing the mask. The reason Vanny moves and acts differently than Vannessa is because it's how Afton moved around in his prime, when he was wearing the bunny suit, albeit with a girlish touch since he's in a more feminine form this time. This makes the "Burntrap" ending the "True Ending" of the main game, leading into Ruin where we play as Cassie, who is being lured by the Mimic. In Ruin, Afton is already taken away by the blob, so he isn't able to control Cassie when she uses the mask as he's not there to do so. We also get to see what Vannessa and Afton saw when she had the mask on, a protector in the code, MIXES. It's only going after Cassie because she's using the mask, which has been marked an intruder in the system. In the original game, I imagine that MIXES was keeping the two from easily capturing Gregory from behind the scenes. We don't have a clear understanding of what exactly the Mimic's goals are, but I imagine it's mimicking Afton's behavior and wants to kill kids too. Without Afton, the animatronics are their normal, non-violent selves. In Ruin, it would be MIXES controlling the animatronics instead to take out the 'intruder' due to a *Security Breach.* MIXES is literally a firewall and antivirus built to protect the backend systems that power the many facets of the Pizzaplex, with the ability to control animatronics connected to the system, and turn off unauthorized animatronics/electronics within range. Without going much further, I think this also sheds light on why the Mimic wants Cassie to turn off MIXES; so it can roam free without being turned off by it. So yeah. With the original plan of Vannessa being revealed to be Vanny, it would make a lot more sense for the true ending, where we would have gotten a surprise SECOND reveal that Afton has been Vanny all along.

[@Dave_Miller_TP]

10:38 W h a t t h e f u c k . Bro took DSAF stripper animatronics to a whole ‘nother level.

[@porcelainchips6061]

Sadly we'll never know what the Original plan was, but I still think Fury's Rage is full of hints, because I believe Scott based it on outdated notes he had from Steelwool regarding some version of events that Steelwool ended up changing in the end; so the ideas floating around in Fury's Rage represent some draft we never saw; not that Fury's rage takes place in the same time and place as Security Breach, but that Fury's hints and lore bits were suppose to line-up / fit together like puzzle pieces with the story of SB. The secret last boss is to me clearly a proto-version of The Blob in an early phase of the story being developed for SB. The scraptrap detail in one level is clearly a reference to SB being built on top of the Freddy Fazbear's Pizza Place location (FFPS) specifically and the "vats" are proto-versions of the charging stations that we see Burntrap emerge from later (which, if they are literally just "charging stations" seems odd, unless they are an idea that's been re-purposed several times over). At first the AR skins included seem silly, but then if you read how FNAF AR's delivery service directly worked with the Pizzaplex then it doesn't seem so unrelated to throw them into the arcade-style beat 'em up game. Lastly I think the AR sisters are a real "smoking gun" for Vanessa's story; I really think it represents something that existed in early development, that Scott was told about and then thought was worth including. Why did Steelwool invent two characters; Tapegirl and Vanessa, when both of them existing at the same time creates narrative clutter? Unless there was an intent to create narrative confusion; I'd argue the "roof ending" is an artifact from some idea where the two were mistakeable as twins, or literally twins. If the roof ending Vanessa has broken Glitchtrap's hold, but Vanny falls to her death because SHE is the willing follower; one 'unwilling' and one 'willing'; One that needs torture devices applied to them, by the other willing sister. It would explain why Vanny has two hide-outs; Vanny is living at the pizzaplex while Vanessa goes home at the end of the day. If they were twins, they could switch identities if one or the other persona is needed; Gregory would have seen Vanny or Vanessa "switching" without knowing they are two different people, so he doesn't trust Vanessa because he doesn't know there is two of them.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

That's a really neat take- I think you're onto something!

[@LeoH606]

That circus baby drawing hit me like that go kart hit Roxanne Wolf. I was not expecting to see something like that.

[@aleahallen8761]

I prefer cut Vanessa. I really wanted her to be the Vanessa we got.

[@yomomma6559]

Why

[@bubbleshock14]

All of the cut content just makes me wish that instead of DLC, or a new game in the future, they just went back and gave us what was planned. SB had so much potential and it feels like we barely got 10% of that. I never really disliked SB until I realised how much we missed out on because of how rushed it was.

[@higueraft571]

Keep in mind, i believe SW *has* stated they're aiming to reimplement as much of the Cut content as possible, most likely in updates such as RUIN...

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Actually, they said the game is in a 'complete state' and that they'll be focusing on dlc now. Nothing about cut content.

[@olivabishop6139]

I'm really hoping (most likely in vain) that the dlc will in some way BE the cut content. Like maybe they implement the ideas they had for this story now since they are honestly good ideas

[@psylina]

@@higueraft571 They're most likely not doing that to a good extent and just said it so the fans will suck it up and forget about it completely

[@higueraft571]

@@psylina Well, simple solution: Wait for RUIN, see if the content DID make it in.

[@aromaladyellie]

I wish Vanessa and Vanny had been two different people, with Vanny *framing* Vanessa as a fall guy. Vanessa should have been Tape Girl, trying to make amends for giving "the virus" a place to hide, and tormented by Afton trying to make her into a follower. Vanny in this case would have been a woman who greatly resembled Vanessa- either by relation, surgery, or coincidence/seeking her specifically out because of the resemblance. Granted that would heavily parallel/repeat Michael and William. But in that way, it almost makes sense. William used his son as a fall guy for his own actions, so it would make sense he'd have Vanny do the same. But I also like the idea of Vanessa being a genuinely good person fighting Afton off, who is sincere in her attempts to help and she wants to be free of Afton just the same, but things get worse as she continues to "fail" him and the more she fights. Both could have been true and BOTH being true is something I think is perfect for this ridiculous franchise and its love of overcomplicating things. Both being true would also explain the differing endings with Vanessa and Vanny, especially the burn it all ending. Of the three options by the way of her resembling Vanessa, I think relation is my least favourite because they did that with William and Michael already, and I think the surgery idea is more plausible than simple coincidence/seeking her out. And would show how deranged Vanny/Afton are. And would continue the theme of "stuff happening to faces" this series likes so much. Like I think... I would have had Vanny originally be someone else who also worked with Tape Girl. Maybe even the player character of that game, just like how we've played as Michael and William. And they gets possessed by Glitchtrap, and Tape Girl *notices* this and panics, deciding to keep tabs on this possessed woman. Vanny, pretending to be Vanessa, takes up the security job. Vanessa uses the fact they look alike to her advantage and basically steals the job out from under Vanny. But Vanny doesn't care, it actually benefits her if Vanessa is doing her job for her. The person Gregory saw who freaked him out so badly was Vanny, but it's Vanessa who is looking for him and is concerned. The ending with the flames and both Vanny and Vanessa would reveal a small but significant difference that proves Vanessa is NOT Vanny, but she dies anyway in the fire. Something like that.

[@Dressup_Doll]

Vanessa is the ultimate “what could have been” character I’ve seen recently. It’s to the point that I literally decided to rewrite SB while also making it a technical crossover with a series I love. In it, Vanessa and Vanny are two different people, but both were “corrupted by Afton.” AKA, “Vanny” did whatever Afton canonically did while also becoming more delusional that he’s alive and wanting a physical body. Vanessa is terrified of “upsetting him” and whatever punishment Vanny gives her. She also tries to help the other security guard get the kid (both characters from the other series) out while keeping Vanny away and pacified. If I can actually complete it, she’ll end off as somewhat of a hero by shooting Vanny. Though, I have a theory that there were multiple characters named Vanessa who were created for the different games and trailers, then the devs caught it and shoved them into one character. That’s how we got the mess that is Vanessa A.

[@dexterity494]

I feel like the free DLC is both going to be a big "sorry" from the devs, and the reintroduction of some (hopefully most) of the cut content

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

That would be nice, but I'm expecting something similar to the broken Hello Neighbor 2 DLC that Steel Wool released without an ending. It'll probably be less than an hour long.

[@CassiusZedaker-pr7kc]

3 months in the future, both Vanessa and Vanny are totally missing from RUIN. And it's about 5 hours long.

[@rafsandomierz5313]

@@CassiusZedaker-pr7kc Well they aren't entierly missing at least the princess quest ending is canon, Gregory mentioned having friends that knows layout of tunnels and FNAF 6 location.

[@grimace9670]

“But how can she be the villain if she starts off worried for Gregory” - steal wool probably maybe

[@blanana_m]

I love how the Rules Bot in Fazerblast who only appears ONCE has like 17 separate Voicelines while Vanny who is the MAIN ANTAGONIST only has 4 of which only 3 are used more than once

[@ExValeFor]

I intend to die on the hill of Vanessa not always having been Vanny. It's just too insultingly obvious. It would've been way more intriguing had she been played straight instead of the game theory fuel non-character she became Now let's see if this video proves my bias though! It's so wild that no one bothered to look into the cut lines before you, more interested in interpreting whatever the hell we got in the end. EDIT: nevermind she was vanny all along smh at least they didn't seem to want to make it a mystery, but still, bruh... guess I'm dead on that hill lol

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Well, I've been hearing that originally Gregory was going to be working with an 'old security guard' before it changed to Freddy. So, who knows how many decisions like that were made with Vanessa!

[@LugiaLucario156]

If it helps my friend, I'll gladly die on that hill with you Is so obvious that Vanny == Vanessa, I would've loved a twist where she was actually not possesed, just a regular guard with Vanny using her as a scape goat. Well, we will always have fanfics I guess?

[@princessmarlena1359]

@@LugiaLucario156 agreed! I’ll join you both on that hill.

[@ExValeFor]

@Watching Nah, by now I've accepted that ending is exclusively there to be a red herring so people make more game theory lore videos and keep discourse alive. It's ONLY there to be confusing because that's FNAF's thing now!

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

@@ExValeFor This is actually pretty much the case. Fnaf's story is kind of stuck in a limbo of ambiguity. Both in the games and in the books. Everything is left vague to feed the theory community, which in turn has nothing to talk about and everything to guess.

[@milomoon06]

I don’t think it will ever happen, but I really wish they would make a Security Breach remake where things are most what they were supposed to be. It’s sad to see all this potential, and even some already existing stuff, just not get used because it was rushed, especially if it changes the lore possibly for the worse.

[@rickyrackey7930]

Just wait for the next 5 years.

[@starspeculation]

With Valley Girl Chica too.

[@LastGoatKnight]

I still can't proccess that Vanessa's bra line has more details than the game's story when it came out (and still is in my opinion)

[@CreepyBEEF]

It's disappointing they changed her so much. I assume it was because of the merch leaks and subsequent theories based off them. 🙃 People saw Vanny and Vanessa figurines, and made theories that were close or even completely right. Leading them to make huge changes to the story and characters, specifically Vanessa. I wanted a likeable Vanessa with actual personality. 😮‍💨 Not Vanessa and Vanny aren't likeable, Just not in the same way... 😅

[@higueraft571]

More likely: Sony said release now. Steel Wool (and Scott) panics. Scrap everything not finished that isnt plot CRITICAL, finish what must be, stitch it together. Pray to GOD you can get it out the door before The Deadline.

[@wazzupyuwu]

vannessa's always been one of the biggest disappointments for me personally, because i actually like her a lot even as she is now. i think her grumpy attitude has nice balance of being funny and realistic without ever feeling like its TOO much. honestly she just acts like a cranky young adult working a job she hates, but is genuinely concerned with keeping everyone safe. i remember really hoping that'd be the case, that the big twist would be that she actually is on gregory's side, but nope, she really was vanny and the reveal left her character feeling pretty flat. i think the softer, sweeter vannessa we see in the cut dialogue is more fitting for her story overall (as its pretty strange that a character as tough as canon vannessa could be controlled like that), but i think i actually would have preferred something of a mix of the two, especially if vanny and vannessa were going to be two separate individuals. at first she's sour towards gregory because she hates her job and being around kids all the time, but as the story progresses she realizes that he's actually in danger and starts being nicer to him, because she doesn't want an innocent little boy to get hurt and wants him to trust her so she can protect him. they could have even been like brother and sister, with her taking the role of gregory's guardian figure once freddy got shattered. that would have added SO much more emotion to the princess quest ending! 🥺 i would love to see vannessa get more spotlight in the ruin dlc, because she feels like such a unique character in the series and she has so much potential, but i'm hestitant to get my hopes up.

[@realsalu634]

I really like the idea of Vanessa being in an Jakl and Hyde situation with Vanny, with her helping Greg and being an enemy though the game, wish It was used....like Glitchtrap

[@AzureRoxe]

Really wish someone from Steelwool would blow the whistle on what the hell happened with this game. Everything we've seen, from trailers, leaks, official merch and datamined info, heavily implied a VERY different story from what we got.

[@sansy4951]

For me the biggest reason for all this, for me, is : Sony, who pressured Steel Wool Studio to release the game quickly. Steel Wool already made FNAF Help Wanted, which is loved by the majority of the community and is an excellent game, i don't believe that all of a sudden, they incapable of making a game without bugs. For me all this mess is Sony's fault

[@fishnewt1331]

5:03 “Who’s your favorite FNAF character?” Me: “Vanany.”

[@JinxeBlaq]

Man, I still spend countless nights wishing I was in the universe where Security Breach turned out how Scott intended..

[@bluestrangler0447]

Going off of Vanny being Tape Girl. Imagine a scene where you take control of Vanessa as she’s being saved via Princess Quest. She’s trapped in a security office and suddenly the screen in there comes to life. It’s Vanny, a major twist that they weren’t the same person, but then Vanny says the line “Hello? Can you hear me? Don’t exit this room…okay?” boom! Vanny was Tape Girl. You hear Vanny laugh as Vanessa remembers why she’s in this predicament to begin with, that same women who somehow convinced her to collect the tapes. Cue a night where all the shattered robots come for you

[@dormortop]

This easily could have been the best FNAF game ever if only they took more time to develop this old storyline, do what was hinted at in the trailer

[@SubZero-hs9xc]

Is so sad the security breach could have been so much better if it wasnt for so much cut content

[@mayoayo7107]

I've never been so sad to see a good character go to waste. I would've loved Security Breach if it was a double perspective/multi-mc game. I had always thought we'd switch between Vanessa and Gregory as we progressed through the story, being able to see both sides instead of just, "oh this person is good and has to escape the villain", when we really could've seen both of their motives and percieve them both as good people with good motives. Being able to play as a Vanessa who was really stressed, nervous, and just trying to do her best would be perfect for her development. Her voicelines clearly had signs of a toxic relationship with how she talks about failing and wanting to succeed at her job. I wouldn't be surprised if Fazbear Entertainment was really rude towards their employees. I would add more to this but I've lost motivation to finish. Maybe reply saying you want more about my thoughts and theories and I'll try and add to this!

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

I would've really liked that idea! I heard initially that SB was supposed to have a daytime mode (they never clarified what that entailed) and more than one night. Maybe during the day, we could play as Vanessa walking around trying to solve a mystery. But I would love to see more! ^_^

[@CeceliaIsAWeeb]

I’ve just now gotten back into FNAF after years of dormancy (the last game I played was 3 when it first came out and I think I watched a bit of Markiplier’s LP of 4) and the amount of change the series has gone through is crazy. You’re videos are very helpful at helping me parse through all of this information and get a better understanding of things.

[@nobodyspecial742]

I'm so frustrated that they cut off like an 80% of this game's content. It would really be such a great game apart from what we got in december 2021

[@OldandAbandonedHarcorte]

Makes me really sad Vanny got so shafted in the final release. They just refused to give the game the time it needed to fully develop its plot and characters. Vanny feels almost entirely supplementary in the final release being basically a background character despite most of the endings directly revolving around her. She also had almost no scenes where they are actually a threat, and thus dont work as an antagonist at all I just feel honestly awful because I highly doubt Vanny is gonna play any kind of role in ruin, since she's just a replaceable pawn to afton who is probably still not fucking dead. Even if she does play a role its gonna feel Shoehorned in. SB Is just a perfect example of overambution and if Afton wasnt in the game for that sweet hype and lorebait everyone would've seen even more quickly what a hollow boring game SB is from all perspectives.

[@MysticNinTorres]

What was thought to be an exciting and hyped character, to then being one of those whose personality was thrown out the window due to time restrictions. Vanessa and Vanny had huge potential to what you would’ve seen in Security Breach, and what we got was soulless and almost completely different to what it was originally intended.

[@LucasS2]

I've played the games a few times and the game is very fun! The problem is not if it is a good gameplay or not, because the bugs were already fixed and the game is now very more playabe and the gameplay is fun too, but the REAL 100% problem is the UNFINISHED HISTORY and CUT OFF MISSIONS AND PLACES, for example on the unfinished history, the blackout, freddy turning against us and a vanny boss fight, which would be really cool to have both of them, and the cut off missions like the freezer and places like the backstage of the main stage would be really cool too. Another BIG BIG BIG problem is the history being changed last minute so they could change the game, the history would've been SO DIFFERENT, Vanny and Vanessa would appear more and the lore wouldn't be "bad" as it is called today, if it wasn't changed, maybe today the DLC ruin would've been VERY different or wouldn't even exist, because the lore would be already completed at the original game set and not needing and DLC to complete it. An alternative ending I saw before was something like freddy got corrupted by the glitchtrap and gregory tried saving him, but it was too dangerous and vanessa (or freddy) warned him to leave, so he did. I think it was something like that. Another BIG BIG BIG problem is Vanny's, Vanessa's and Burntrap's very SHORT history, the Burntrap ending, which is called to be the True Ending, there's literally LITTLE details about Burntrap, I don't think this is what I want to express in this message but there's something missing in the history, I think that is what I want to say, when I do the Burntrap ending I feel I need to hear more, it just feels imcomplete, not bad at all, but somehow bad, it could've been better, IDK more, I just wanted the history to be different, Vanny and Vanessa to appear more, not like the way it finished. (BTW Burntrap YES could've a great addition, thinking another way right now, but NOT like the way he was added, maybe in the DLC ruin we will explore him more, if not, he's just a lost character, same thing with vanny and vanessa, if we don't explore her lore in the DLC I think NOT only she will be a lost character but the whole game will, exploring vanessa's and vanny's lore in the DLC in CRUCIAL) The history is not 100% imcomplete, but somehow there's something MISSING. The game is super fun and I love doing it and redoing it again. But we have to agree, that game's history has some BIG BIG BIG problems.

[@corgiboithereckoning9818]

I was so hyped by the trailers for Vanessa. Then I watched a playthrough and even played the game for *magic drum roll* a few scenes. I think the game would've been so much better in terms of the story if it wasn't cut sadly. I hope we see her character later in future games (and not in book form).

[@arti2901deer]

10:40 Holy moly donuts and ravioli That cake is wider than shoulders ...

[@skycreeper0173]

I feel so bad for Vanessa’s character. She could have been super awesome. I really like her as a character, but I do hope Ruin gives her the justice she deserves. Awesome video.

[@kingkaiju164]

I know im definitely late. BUT. ‘Till this day, it still most DEFINITELY breaks my heart(shatters it) on what they did with Vanny/Vanessa. When the very first teaser was released, I was instantly in love with her. I loved the voice, it was almost like baby’s in a way. Soft, sweet, manipulative. I really loved her original voice (no hate towards Marta Sveteck!) and was sad to hear that the voice isnt there anymore. I was excited to see her as the new villain of the fnaf era, cause i really thought she was going to be the new fnaf villain. I was so excited to see her in the game, being somewhat dark. I would wonder how you would first meet her, or interact with her, or how scary she would actually be…. Only to be slapped in the face. The amount of times she was shown, the lack of screen time, dialogue, everything. I was so heartbroken. I was so incredibly sad with everything. When i started writing my fnaf story, I was writing how i wanted my version of vanny to be. And when security breach came out and disappointed me, i gave Vanny even more justice. I made sure she had her creepy moments, i made her slowly become from sweet to absolutely psychotic. I even wanted to do that thing like you said. Have people believe Vanessa is good when she actually really is vanny. There was so many ideas I had with her, and I still hope I can create a great character with her. I’m still not finished with my security breach story(im halfway and 428 pages in)but i hope it turns out at least as better as the game actually is

[@MJ-98]

It's just baffling to me that everything interesting was cut from this game between the final trailer and release: the Afton virus/voice acting, Vanessa's entire character, Vanny actually being dangerous or eve having anything to do with the plot at all, Freddy's reason for breaking down throughout the night... literally all of it. I'd love to know the true story of how they got from A to B.

[@TheShape45]

Afton Virus? You Mean Mimic1 Program sir

[@j.a.m.m]

Great vid as always! With the whole "Vanessa and Vanny being completely different" idea, another thing that could've worked would be Vanessa really helping Gregory after FReddy gets shattered (in a hypothetical situation) But yeah, here the "twist" was way too shoehorned, beyond predictable. Oh well. Also wait is the art at 10:38 officialand all? Cuz if so, dayum. Also, Vanany.

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

So, the art is a liiittle unknown. It was done by an official artist, but it's unclear if that was her submission that was rejected or if she just drew up her own Eleanor after the fact. Being that it's a detailed model sheet, I sort of think it might've been an official submission, but I can't say for sure.

[@j.a.m.m]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 Ohh, I see. Still, dayum

[@JasperDaze]

The Original Vanessa and well Security Breach alone had so much forgotten potential. but it was forgotten because of cut content and deadlines. With what we got with the Security Breach we have, we have a broken story. hopefully ruin with fix this story, yet if Security Breach was so changed, that means that Ruin was most likely will be changed to fix the missing pieces of SB. but alas we'll never get the original story. maybe this story will be better than the original planned story for this new chapter of the Five Nights At Freddy's story. Good Day.

[@causticscarab4155]

I really hope she was cut because of time crunch, because there might be at least a chance that ONE day we'll see this side of her explored more. What really scares me, and I hope isn't the case, is that they cut this storyline because they felt it would be too distressing for younger audiences to handle.

[@Goldiethesalmon]

It is so sad to see that this could have been a really good game but because it was rushed to get out in time it didn't work out at all in the end. 😔

[@sophitiaofhyrule]

I feel like it would've still been bad even if they had 10 more years. They talk in interviews about how they would constantly make the Pizzaplex bigger and kept adding secret rooms and meaningless easter eggs instead of focusing on making a game. Steel Wool is incompetent, they're not innocent victims here. They honestly remind me of Yandere dev, adding pointless fluff instead of just making the damn thing

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

...That kind of reminds me of Hello Neighbor. Ironic because they worked on the second HN game. XD

[@Goldiethesalmon]

@@notrealnamenotatall2476 i actually believe that if the game would have had a more time, say like 2-3 years maybe more it could have been a really good fnaf game, right up there with (my opinion) fnaf 2 and 4

[@herobrinegreek9493]

I think the reason why this came to be is because the focus was taken from Vanessa/Vanny and put on the animatronics, thus instead of her being the centre and the animatronics being under her influence, she became the accessory for the animatronics. That way little kids will get even more excited to see bright colorful robotic animals speaking! And thats a real shame. Now if you ask me, i think Security Breach is a pretty nice game, its not bad. Its just that we subconsiously compare it's great premise with the downgrade that makes the final product. I truly believe it was wasted potential, and maybe thats why we love the Ruin DLC. It serves as a contrast to the bright and colourful world of Security Breach, and the SB's animatronics being the focus in the main game is what made the DLC work. Honestly it was such a big project, the stuff that was going to be inside that game was so much beyond what the studio could handle. I'd say, if you didn't bother to look at the first trailer and the video essays you would really enjoy Security Breach and Ruin 100 times better. Neverthenless, R.I.P. original game, we would adore you

[@itsraeofsunshine]

I've been watching your videos for about two months now and I just wanted to leave you a comment to say how much I appreciate you and these videos. I'm obsessed with FNAF like most of us are and I find your content so fascinating!! Thank you and keep up the great work!! 😊

[@notrealnamenotatall2476]

Thank you so much! :)

[@nyekomimi]

Oh my god, the "both of you burn" line still sounds like Monty. I know its not him. It 100% sounds Monty. I wish Monty was hiding his intelligence.

[@imaginefun13]

12:30 The biggest clue to this is right in the beginning of the game. I believe it happens when you first leave the greenroom vents. The announcer says something like, "Freddy and the band will see you next week after scheduled maintenance." I was very excited when I first heard that line because it obviously meant that the game would take place over about a week, but then I and everyone else completely forgot about it lol. I can't believe this line was included in the final game!

[@Nat3Riv3r]

“Vanany” 💀💀

[@connorbruhmoment]

Vanessa: UGH, I hate kids! Me, having just murdered 5 kids and stuffed their bodies into animatronic suits: 👀

[@RubricCoder]

It’s really a shame that security breach was such a bad game it really did have the potential and it had a good set of characters we will most likely not see much again after security breach

[@googoobarman]

I wish steel wool had more time to develop the game. Only more in resent times people are realizing it is better to have delays of a game if the finish product is better. I heard about the dlc going into beta on steam db and I hope like you said they take there time on it.

[@Funiman1]

I feel like I noticed something, The mimic (burntrap) said “You will DO AS I SAY, YOU WILL BRING ME WHAT I WANT and if you fail me then you will, both of you BURN!!!” This either has to be vanny and Vanessa with mixed personalities

[@customarymagic]

It's cool seeing all the content missing from the final game, but man, it makes me wish we could play these older versions.

[@Kirbyman1223]

Here after Scott explained that he had a completely different story in mind for Security Breach than we got and said that Vanny was underutilized

[@jocosejpeg]

Another amazing video!! I was shocked to learn that there was even MORE cut content for Vanessa, which caught my attention because I've always considered her cut content to be the most interesting due to the story it tells. I feel like a large part of the reason Security Breach's launch was problematic wasn't just the state of the game or the rusher story, but the simple fact that fans *weren't given what they were promised* regarding Gregory and Vanessa's roles in the game. Then again I'm not saying anything groundbreaking here; everyone and their mother knows what went wrong with Vanessa/Vanny This is FAR from a hot take since I've seen so many others say the same, but I really do think that in hindsight it would've been smarter if Vanny wasn't under the control of the Glitchtrap virus, but rather was a mock killer superfan wishing to bring Afton's crimes into the modern day. It would have been a good way to base the horror of the series on the legacy of a man's actions while not literally BEING "just Afton again," allowing his character to rest in canon material so a modern replacement could perpetuate the cycle. I think Glitchtrap was a great new addition, but he really should have been "that AI we also gotta worry about" alongside a new killer. I mean, fans already liked her well enough before release (even if it was for perverse reasons amongst a few; but that's the internet for you :/), so it would have just been economically shrewd storytelling to give her an added sense of agency. People LIKE when characters make their own decisions--it makes them feel real. The only reason this criticism wasn't made before SB when we knew she was to be controlled was because we didn't know the concept would leave so much to be desired. Alright this comment ended being WAY longer than I intended so I'm cutting myself off here. It bums me out that she went from "new murderer" to "reluctant follower" to "REALLY reluctant follower" in SB's cut dialogue, to a complete nonentity in the final game, and a shame that the devs sank so much work into this game only for so much it to be for nothing :(

[@thenightscythe2030]

It makes sense they didnt keep the "nice-vanessa" lines, especially with the Princess Game being confirmed as the Cannon ending... She was Trapped in the Game through the VR Mask, which we find out is Connected to the User even when the mask *isn't on (commenting after Ruined released)... I think the Princess Game wasn't anticipated when they did the Trailer's and the initial Voice-recording.

[@Salmonjoe12]

It’d be cool if Vanessa was the main character, There’d be an actual reason to stay five nights because she’s a security officer, And dealing with the internal struggle of dealing with dual personalities could make for some fun story telling.

[@MelodicDragon97]

Ok but can we talk about how good her voice acting is?

[@yourcordialvermillionchapw2398]

Aside the White Woman/Wabbit Jumpscare, she had so much more potential then what she was now yes. xD

[@PestilentSabreS]

It's a shame bc help wanted and fnaf AR emails set her up to seem like the next huge antagonist who would sort of take over aftons role after he takes control over her and become sort of his 'legacy' to carry on killing the kids, but she was just really pushed aside in security breach