The Vanishing of Flight 19 Despite Constant Radio Contact Explored

Flight 19 is a bizarre instance of a military exercise that went totally wrong, for reasons realtively unknown. Despite contact with the ground crews, and other pilots, the training exercise pilot amongst the new pilots proceeded to get lost and what appears to be a pretty routine bombing run. So what exactly happened? lets discuss that in todays episode!
Thank you for watching Roanoke Tales and I hope you enjoy The Vanishing of Flight 19 Despite Constant Radio Contact

[@RoanokeTales]

Thanks for watching guys! youtube is being a massive clown so this one is out a little later than usual

[@Saterno]

So KZbin is KZbining as hard as it can

[@GameTimeWhy]

You said that following is a human flaw but it's also something that is driven into our heads from when we are children. The military in particular is all about following orders. We are taught to follow orders but then laughed at or derided when we follow and something goes wrong. The way we are taught is a huge issue.

[@tillmen4444]

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[@noballs12345]

You've made ne want to pursue a biology field once I'm out of the military!

[@GameTimeWhy]

@@noballs12345 you can go windigo hunting with Broanoke and the gang and put those military skills to good use so that they don't get got.

[@Kilnor]

These stories always make sad. Terribly tragic that the families of those who disappeared got no closure and were left with so many questions.

[@rickyodom1201]

genesis is where you will find your answer about this place the veil or portal to the garden of eden

[@rickyodom1201]

the pliot report seeing a giant harbor one enclosed more gulf of Mexico is poof is all those sunken city's being found

[@johnshields6852]

They followed the leader, going the wrong way, they thought they had the right direction but actually continued to fly out to sea, running out of fuel, once a plane crashes it's going down to the bottom with little evidence, plus it's very difficult to spot something floating if anything survived the impact. Huge surface area, shimmering ocean.

[@BaronTomR]

According to a show on this subject I saw some years ago, a suggestion was that because the flight commander had just transferred from a base on the Florida west coast, he forgot he was going to the east coast base and went the wrong way.

[@davesmith5656]

That 90 degrees east for 10 minutes makes no sense at all to me. Seems there was definitely something screwy with the guy calling the shots.

[@grilledleeks6514]

Probably not what happened... lmao

[@garrettmohr8439]

In Wendigoon’s video on the Bermuda Triangle he states how there is an island (can’t remember the name) that’s largely made up of magnetic metal and the shear amount is enough to throw off compasses in the area. Even today pilots have to be careful with trusting their compasses in the area

[@matthewborrie2940]

Bimini island I believe

[@thepastmaster5643]

Bermuda if I recall correctly.

[@Beowulf891]

The Bermuda Triangle is just a myth. There is no actual evidence that _more_ ships or planes are lost there than other similarly traveled expanses of open water in either the Atlantic or Pacific oceans. The idea of the Bermuda Triangle was just some shit that Vincent Gaddis MADE UP for Argosy magazine in the 1960s. The whole thing exists because one dude in the 60s made it up and it just caught on. It's an interesting concept, but it isn't real. The only magnetic island I was able to find was... Magnetic Island. By Australia. So... I don't think a magnetized island is in the "Bermuda Triangle." It's possible, but it seems really, REALLY unlikely. There IS, however, a small area where true north and magnetic north align. Magnetic north and true north DO NOT align at all times and the difference between the two is compass variation. Misunderstanding these is likely why this myth is still persistent.

[@phrozti188]

Can’t find the video u speak of :(

[@garrettmohr8439]

@@phrozti188 I was mistaken about it being a Wendigoon video, it was actually a podcast on the Adeptus Ridiculous channel

[@thetacticalpuertorican]

Growing up in Puerto Rico anytime I visited family in the US I thought it would be my last day alive since the whole flight to Florida would be inside the triangle. 😅

[@brianweaver327]

And you still took the risk! I hope your time in the US was pleasant.

[@thetacticalpuertorican]

@@brianweaver327 I'm here permanently now in Arizona. USA baby!

[@michaelyamat541]

​@@thetacticalpuertoricanIncredibly based

[@Aumaan924]

lol I'm still living in PR, I always forget about the triangle... until the moment I'm boarding a plane 😱

[@thetacticalpuertorican]

@@Aumaan924 I'm going to visit family in Humacao next year. Wish me luck. Lol

[@sarahr9894]

If you ever look into air crash reports from the NTSB and other agencies, crew resource management (CRM) is a huge factor in a lot of crashes. CRM is how the pilots interact with each other, their work load, and the plane. Many planes have gone down due to perceived cockpit heirarchy and etiquette, so much so that training now emphasizes that 1st officers speak up against captains if they believe they're wrong. So I'm not surprised at all no one said much against the captain of flight 19, it's human nature and a problem in the industry!

[@maeton-gaming]

You are absolutely correct, in fact CRM was invented and made a standard precisely because of how many accidents occured and were deemed as a major cause due to the fact the first officer, a pilot flying 3rd seat or jump seat, or any other crew member noticing something and being afraid of asking the pilot anything. Bonus points: celebrity captains and "famous" captains like that Dutch captain that killed several hundred people on that tarmac when he attempted a departure without permission, etc....

[@sarahr9894]

@@maeton-gaming yes! You're referring to the Tenerife disaster, which is still to this day the largest loss of life from an aviation disaster (as 9/11 is not considered). Veldhuyzen van Zanten, who was the captain and the literal star of the KLM line, went ahead with takeoff despite his first officer gently asking if they had clearance (they did not) and was not more insistent due to Vam Zanten's rank in the company. There are several others, but that is of course the biggest most famous example.

[@alanstevens1296]

So due to lack of CRM none of the pilots and crew of five planes spoke up against the mistakes of the commander?

[@Mokiefraggle]

@@alanstevens1296 Basically, yes. Particularly in military situations, people don't frequently speak up due to chain of command making them feel that it's not their place to step in. You can see similar behavior when people don't want to speak up against a higher-up or someone who is significantly their senior at work, which is something that one can presume grows out of and stems from how we teach children that they should obey/defer to adults (people their seniors and therefore presumed to be more intelligent/educated/self-aware than a child). Plus, of course, the fact that we tend to not want to stick out/disobey the group ("the nail that sticks up gets hammered down"), so it makes it even less likely that the other pilots and crew would speak up. Also, people can often be made to think that their decisions may be incorrect if the person they perceive to be in charge is insistent in their belief that their decision is correct. So, if you've got a person in charge telling you that the thing they think is true, then you may steadily come to believe that your belief that runs counter to that is in fact incorrect.

[@alanstevens1296]

@@Mokiefraggle Still puzzling that no other pilot spoke up when they were headed away from land and toward running out of fuel The Flight to Nowhere at the Battle of Midway is an example. At least 2/3 of the 30 some pilots committed what could be prosecuted in UCMJ as mutiny rather than follow the commander and turned back. They knew that the commander was making a major blunder.

[@temerityxd8602]

23:14 Such is the power of the triangle that it has warped the very fabric of space and time and transformed the Avenger flight into a flight of Mustangs. :)

[@ludovicschneider6190]

i really don't know he he's still talking about flight 19, or another flight...

[@warrior7ra]

​@@ludovicschneider6190there was never a flight of P51s that mysteriously disappeared though she did make a lot of other aircraft disapear from the sky's.

[@subjectc7505]

This story is what made me fascinated with the triangle. I remember reading books about it as a kid and always wondered why things go missing out of thin air.

[@Melsincatuation]

My mother had a terrifing Bermuda trianvle experience years ago. One summer night her.and some friends, one guy had a boat, went out for a night boating trip in the ocean . They left off a pier in Ft Lauderdale and started.their way out into the ocean. It was a clear night, full of stars and moon. The lights from the shore were visable, small because they were pretty far out but visable. They radio was playing, the boats.electric. system was running fine, moved was running good. Then suddenly ,within a blink of an eye, the stars were gone,, moon gone, and even lights from the shore disappeared.. The rolling waves became completely still. The water looked black. The radio went off, tthe whole boat and moter shut off, he compasses were going crazy. She said for 15 min it was like this...she said it was so erie...she said everyone was frozen in fear..all staring at the black still water..she said it seriously felt like something horrible was going to emerge from the water.Then as quickly as everyrhing went off ...in a blink the stars moon were back...the lights on shore were back...the water was moving again.radio back on.The only thing that stayed messed up was the compass and the clock. The friends never really talked about it after...it was too terrifying and strange...she just wanted it to go away. It took her years to get back on a boat..and she still won't get on a boat in florida!!!

[@williamashbless7904]

In the ‘70’s an author wrote The Bermuda Triangle and Flight 19 was featured. Many cockpit ménage’s were reported as alluding to supernatural occurrences. It was found much later that the author just made most(or all) of the oddities up. One thing you didn’t mention is the missing crewman. One plane had a crew of only two upon embarking the mission. Unless, that part was made up by the Bermuda Triangle’ author as well. Great stuff. You separated a lot of chaff from the wheat.

[@gopatriots1991]

According to wiki, the crew of 2 was due to their 3rd requesting to be removed from the exercise. "This particular plane was one crew member short. The airman in question, Corporal Allan Kosnar, "had asked to be excused from this exercise."

[@ludovicschneider6190]

5 planes, 14 people missing. If my math is right, there was indeed on crew member missing, no need to make stuff up since it's a stated fact.

[@gopatriots1991]

@ludovicschneider6190 Roanake didn't bring it up, which is why the original commenter did. Then I answered his statement with a rip straight from the books. The "missing member" asked to be excused from the training flight and was. So not missing.

[@Kharis1964]

The Martin Mariner seemingly exploded. Those planes were nicknamed "flying gas tanks" because of they way they were built, they had facilities to carry a lot of extra fuel, and as a result, the flyers experiences much in the way of gas fumes. It wouldnt have taken much such as an electrical spark or a cigarette causing an explosion

[@marhawkman303]

Also, this particular Mariner was, prior to this emergency, grounded due to needing maintenance, to include, but not limited to: the fuselage reeking of fuel leaking. Oh and a ship in the area reported seeing a mid-air fireball. Yeah, pretty sure the Mariner took off with a major fuel leak, and the leaking fuel ignited mid-flight. They only used it because it was a life-or-death emergency, otherwise NO ONE would have flown it. And.... avoiding becoming a mid-air fireball was why it was grounded for maintenance. Yeah, the Mariner isn't a mystery, just tragic. also the Navy findings in this case... are probably right IMO. Taylor was a bit of an idiot. Yes, he was a combat veteran, but he lost two planes OUTSIDE combat, and some reports claim his superiors were considering relieving him of all flight duties. which does somewhat explain his weird behavior. He was a man who desperately wanted to impress his boss. going home in failure.... was something he'd see as tantamount to ending his career.

[@Cramblit]

Yea back then, they seemed to love to make very inch of everything a gas tank. It's like the SR-71. The whole body was the gas tank.. hence why it leaked jet fuel 24/7.

[@matthewruggieri5344]

⁠@@Cramblit The 71 leaked due to specific design not because of the placement or volume of fuel. It was a result of the exterior panels being designed to allow for expansion at high altitudes/speed/temperatures. Those exterior panels had gaps when sitting on the ground (hence the leaks) but were perfect when they expanded in high performance flight.

[@Lotek117]

​@marhawkman303 Thank you! I'm glad someone said it!... Taylor was a bullheaded moron who refused to listen anyone at all for fear they might get credit for getting them home safe. Like he completely ignored all reason and made the absolute worst decision EVERY single time but people are too afraid to point that out because he saw combat in ww2. The thing is while in combat he had zero authority and was with tons of other friendly aircraft and superiors to keep in check but everytime he was on his own there was problems as you mentioned. Losing those 2 prior planes was a major fck up and he should have been grounded right away or at the very least demoted to a copilot position. There is no way in hell he should have been in a training position and I bet his superiors cursed themselves for it along with the other pilots in flight 19, especially the ones pleading with him to follow logic and head due west... Like listening to his radio transmissions it was like he lost his mind! He was so afraid of receiving help he almost ignored the radio call of the other flight leader trying to help him and ignored the single most important thing to save them, turning on his IFF transmitter... I'm pretty sure I know exactly why he did that too! It was because it would give the navy his exact position and he already stated he was above the Florida keys but obviously wasn't sure of himself(because he was dead wrong!) and was terrified of being proven wrong and not looking like the hero who saved the flight... He had every trait of a terrible leader! He was more concerned with ego and appearing like a competent pilot and leader over the lives of his men... Furthermore with most of the other pilots stating their compasses were working I'm not even sure both his compasses were even broken!... He still knew which direction they were flying the entire time and kept choosing to fly east the entire time, the absolute worst direction he could possibly pick if trying to find land... One last thing, a common procedure for those TBF bombers if they were going down over water was to ditch while in the air and not try a water landing. That procedure saved George Bush Sr's life when his went down in the pacific unfortunately his crew weren't so lucky.

[@humanbeing2420]

The Bermuda Triangle was a cornerstone of American popular culture in the 1970's. Every action or drama TV show had at least one episode featuring a terrifying trip through the Triangle by air or sea. It was almost as ubiquitous as the light karate chop to the shoulder that would instantly render a man unconscious.

[@johnberg1348]

The Captain Kirk Chop!

[@michaelkoukaras7515]

The thought of losing 32 people per year in training "accidents" is ludicrous and yet it happened. I was in the Army for 15 years no unit I was ever in suffered a training fatality. I've seen entire theaters of operation come to a halt because some jackwagon in a tank backed over a M16 and it was presumed lost till the tank was moved.

[@marhawkman303]

this mission had a flight leader who may have simply... forgotten what the mission was, and flown the wrong direction because he forgot whether he was over the Keys or Bahamas. He talks about thinking he's over the Keys... but... due to visual ID. He didn't actually know the Bahamas at all. He saw an island that looked like one of the Keys, but..... it wasn't. The Mariner that exploded wasn't air-worthy at all. It had been grounded for repairs, due to a smell of fuel leaking in the fuselage. which is the probable reason it exploded in mid-air. It only got cleared to fly due to the presence of a life and death emergency.... yeah...

[@michaelkoukaras7515]

@@marhawkman303, recently I did read that another reason for the confusion could be methane gas pockets that rise to the surface and affect bounency and in ships and reduce mental acuity in persons exposed.

[@marhawkman303]

@@michaelkoukaras7515 Enh, Methane doesn't have a quick effect on pilots... it WILL make petroleum based aircraft engines malfunction though. Why? less oxygen, more fuel. It actually can cause a flameout if the pocket is dense enough. that or the engine might sputter or surge. which is one thing they just never talk about in the pilot logs. So I suspect they didn't have an issue with Methane.

[@Kratos-eg7ez]

This is, just after ww2 right? So many things were different, losing that many people was probably just standard. The military back then compared to now are like 2 completely different beasts, so i would recommend throwing all your knowledge out the window when looking at the past military. There just werent the same systems, and people thought differently back then

[@marhawkman303]

@@Kratos-eg7ez Yeah the idiot in-charge was a WW2... survivor... not sure he really was a combat veteran or not, but he did fly in the war and lived to tell about it. Reality is... military training... has the potential for fatal accidents today, the brass just don't tell the public. Look up death stats for paratrooper training.

[@NuclearSpring]

The Bermuda Triangle seems terrifying until you realize that it's a highly trafficked area, and half the mysterious disappearances passed through the "triangle" and were fine for days or weeks only to have weird stuff happen off the Carolinas, if they ever even went within 1000 miles of the triangle in the first place.

[@McGregorsPlumbingandHeating]

I found out about William Lightfoot and Herman Tillander from a Russian sci-fi book called Prometheus. The main character: a young Russian astronaut who ends up in the Stone Age after his space station passes through a strange lightning . He meets them after several years of living on the young planet. In the book, William is a third generation metallurgist and Tillander a fisherman in the civilian life are the only survivors of the Flight 19 crew. They become important suppoting characters in the book.

[@globalpropertyinvestment]

Sounds like an interesting book, I'll check it out!

[@JP-xh1cm]

Excellent video! You should also try covering the Dragon's Triangle/Devil's Sea in the Pacific Ocean, as not many people are familiar with that region.

[@tenebrousoul9368]

Yes, please

[@andreagriffiths3512]

Aye, that gets very little attention

[@AreUmygrandson]

I may be wrong but I believe they actually found an avenger in the area underwater. And the serial coincidently was just a few numbers off from one of the missing planes. Meaning it was produced just after one of the planes

[@emmano6340]

That's oddly strange

[@MrHort55]

Hey Roanoke I love your videos, your info and your humor and I REALLY don't want to be that guy but there is a difference between a p51 mustang and the TBD Avenger just a friendly point out, love the video regardless! Fun fact though the avenger wasn't the most reliable of aircraft especially when it came to climbing to high to fast so I'm not surprised that there are so many accidents with them

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

One thing of note is that the Bermuda Triangle happens to be where the Gulf Stream is squeezed by shallow water. Ive never heard it be put into consideration when discussing where the wreckage could be.

[@freefoster339]

Roanoke you beautiful bastard! Coming in clutch with the post just in time for my study break 🎉

[@benrichard806]

Someone might of already said it but covering the USS cyclops might be a neat follow-up to this tale

[@williamleadbetter9686]

One of the problems with wreck discovery in sea channels around islands is, ocean under water currents speed up & changes directions differing from surfact current. Like bending a venturi air speeds up and the bend changes direction. Water constricted near island chains and shallower sea floors causes current deflections, the wreckage then sinks to the bottom going a different direction and sometimes at higher speeds than expected making wreckage discovery difficult.

[@palethorpe1986]

Oh man, I've been listening on spotify and you ended uploading after this video - I just found out you've continued here. Now I have so much to catch up on...

[@sasha1mama]

Ensign is "en-sin". Tl;dr here is this: Taylor made a bad judgment call, and instead of flying due west, using the position of the sun and his (or a trainee's) watch to gauge bearing, he flew in circles instead of hitting the mainland or, at the most extreme, eating a faceful of Texas.

[@Transilvanian90]

Yup, also noticed that about the pronunciation. It's a fairly common mistake if you haven't heard the word before.

[@thegametroll6264]

Have you done a video on the underground mine fire in Pennsylvania yet? It gives me some real life silent hill+ nothing but trouble vibes. It'd be interesting to cover.

[@Pylo-ry6ff]

Pretty sure Silent Hill was actually based on that.

[@Mokiefraggle]

@@Pylo-ry6ff The movie got the idea for the mine fire from Centralia, yes. The original games just featured dense fog, and snow in the first game and its later retooling as Shattered Memories, with the fire elements of the Otherworld being entirely the product of Alessa's near-death by fire, and of the God of the cult still waiting to be born from her body amplifying her psychic powers/connecting them to the dangerous spiritual power of the land itself, and plunging the town into the depths of her worst nightmares.

[@Justmemyguy]

I haven’t even watched this yet and I’m excited. Thanks for doing a video on flight 19!

[@7thsealord888]

These days, I don't believe the Bermuda Triangle is any more mysterious / dangerous than most other parts of the world's oceans. That Being Said, seriously strange stuff has happened all over, that we still struggle to explain adequately. In the case of Flight 19, there seem to have been various factors. But the key was arguably Lt Taylor becoming utterly convinced that they had somehow ended up down in the Florida Keys when they were, in fact, pretty much where they were supposed to be. Taylor's compasses may not have actually been malfunctioning, just not supporting his own assumptions.

[@jtmagsta]

U deffo should do more Roanoke tales . And although not a gamer I listen to Roanoke gaming especially when u cover films very entertaining

[@zuzauramek9850]

I was many, many ( 25) years ago in the reefer ship as a tourist. My father was the chief mechanical engineer on this ship. We sailed to Puerto Rico and at one time the ocean was so still, with no waves, no animals, no wind. Surface as smooth as glass. It was strange for me that in the middle of the ocean suddenly the surface was so smooth. Only after I was told we were near then the Bermuda Triangle. I was not scared at all, it was huh..... for me. And still is. I made a photo of the surface because I knew no one would believe me if I told them.

[@spacebear49]

There is a very interesting book about this, entitled "They Flew into Oblivion" by Gian Quasar. He did very thorough research and came to a very compelling conclusion. Absolutely worth the read. He definitely convinced me (spoiler alert, the conclusion wasn't UFO's).

[@piercarlosoares724]

Taylor was a drunken pilot?! I read an article about this, but cant remember where... I remember that the investigation presented in the article concluded that everything was normal, Taylor tought that the compasses were broken, but were completely fine, but due to him being drunk and not being the pilot that is presented in general info about the accident. So, drunken, unreliable pilot that took the others with him just because he tought he was right...

[@spacebear49]

@@piercarlosoares724 if you're asking if that was the conclusion reached in the book, no. I would suggest reading it. I won't speak ill of the dead in this case, because I don't know. I don't think any of us do. But as I understand the circumstances, he thought he was in the keys, and all evidence points to them still being in the vicinity of the Bahamas. If he was disoriented to that extent (which can happen to anyone, without the influence of alcohol), then it would certainly appear that the compasses were wrong. When in reality you're just lost. He didn't trust what they were telling him, because he thought he was in an entirely different place.

[@piercarlosoares724]

@@spacebear49 What book? I remember reading some guy reading the investigation report. It is pretty clear, if the documents aren't falsified, the "conclusion of what happen", maybe the report was made with some prejudice about things, but didn't seems like. I remind you, i read a while ago and to be honest i don't remember hoow i looked, so, my memory could be failing me.

[@MTWHIT]

@@piercarlosoares724 From what I have read Taylor asked to be grounded that day because he was not feeling well. It could have been a cold or a ear infection or anything. Normally if your sick you don't fly because at altitude it can really mess with you. He was the only instructor available so he was pretty much told to toughen up and fly. Which is probably a root cause of why he got spatial disorientation and lost track of where he was. This case was actually drilled into our heads as an example of why you self down yourself if you are flying. Better to miss a flight than your life.

[@dakota1983]

Hey Roanoke! Love your stuff, follow your channels, wanted to suggest maybe uploading your stuff a day apart on your channels, so you don't have the uploads an hour apart between the two. May help increase your traffic since your viewership isn't split. Just a thought! I'm downloading them and taking them on the plane with me

[@e_86]

Maybe watch this video later, don't you think?😅

[@benjaminmatheny6683]

The compasses weren't malfunctioning. The report would have no way of knowing as the plane was lost, but it beggars belief that two independent compasses would both malfunction simultaneously. Rather Taylor got disoriented and assumed his compasses were malfunctioning because they no longer matched his expectations.

[@benjaminmatheny6683]

The US Navy has a long history of protecting their people from their own mistakes during WW2. Navy Pilots strafing and bombing other US navy PT boats was ruled "no fault". As was an Admiral steering his fleet directly into a typhoon and losing 3 ships. The US navy continually used the excuse that prosecuting incompetence would be bad for moral.

[@alexjonezNH]

P51 Mustangs? I thought Flight 19 was a squadron of Avengers? I generally LOVE all the content you make, my man, but this one and the video about the East Palestine derailment felt really, really off for some reason. I don't know if the issue is with me, the scripting, the information being shared, or all three, but by the end of each of these I felt like I had to go back and rewatch them to try and figure out where I missed a section that would explain why I felt so confused :( I'm still excited to see what else you come up with! And I'll sure as shit be here when new stuff comes out 👍

[@bandit_six5418]

This is the type of content I didn’t know I DEFINITELY needed. Keep it up, you glorious bastard

[@tamanegi8985]

It would’ve been helpful if you put a labelled map at 16:39 so the audience can better understand the location of the islands you are talking about and the direction the planes were heading relative to the islands. I was looking at google maps trying to figure out where these islands were so if it was shown in the video it would’ve helped save that time lol. Also the tiny map shown in the video at this part is not good enough as it doesn’t show the islands being talked about, and is too small to make out. Not trying to be rude just some advice to make the video better. Overall it was an interesting story and you gave the most plausible explanation for what happened without going into supernatural territory (especially when it comes to the Bermuda Triangle lol). Thanks for sharing!

[@JakenTheGreat]

It's very military to follow a superiors orders even if you think they are wrong. I see it all the time in my unit. You will almost always default to the opinion or actions of a higher rank, especially if they have way more experience then you do. In terms of the trainees wanting to go west, no one wants to make the call that could get people killed. It's easier to follow a leader and hope for the best.

[@UgetThatMemo]

You should do a video on the Cali-Nevada Triangle. It's pretty terrifying. Apparently there's one for Alaska and northern Nevada too.

[@samdancer101]

Great video, but it's GRUM-ANN when saying Gruman. Grew up on LI where they were located, so its just one of those pet peeves. Aside from that, i love this video and your content!

[@Heero-oz4zp]

did he keep saying P-51 mustang at the end? did he mean the Avengers?

[@WildinWeasel]

i think so😭

[@ludovicschneider6190]

he tired

[@wesrrowlands8309]

The amount of Avengers they've found over the years looking for this flight is surprising including a bunch that all crashed in the same spot from different flights.

[@brianweaver327]

It seems to me that something must have been affecting the mental states of those pilots. I'd like to believe a person of sound mind in control of a plane would be able to switch to a different comm frequency easily.

[@garrettmohr8439]

Taylor was reportedly not acting himself the day of the incident and actually requested not to lead the flight, plus how he showed up late. Not sure if he was sick or something else was going on, but he clearly didn’t have his mind straight at the time

[@marhawkman303]

@@garrettmohr8439 some reports say Taylor was worried about getting relieved of duty as a flight training officer. That sort of existential dread might cause a man to do something most would see as a bad idea. which is in keeping with how he acts like he knows exactly what he's doing. He's worried his career will be over if he fails his mission.... well.. his career ended quite quickly..... and caused one of the worst tragedies in US military history.

[@ludovicschneider6190]

3:50 and 17:10 : they can't even decide what the triangle would really cover 😄 Thousands of planes flew throught the dreaded triangle without experiencing anything remotly weird. But all you need is 1 group of planes with a leader with poor judgment, and another plane having technical issues the same day, and people start talking about supernatural stuff. It's amazing how a bored brain can imagine whatever it needs to satiate it's need for "something greater" than a bland boring life. Would be interested in the reports about all the other planes they found. Did they experience regular technical issues? It was basically a giant training area, so human error was probably not uncommon. One last note: the flight leader was technically right. They could have reached florida if they flew West, for about 35 000 km.

[@codyg6139]

Love your videos man!

[@klue8578]

@10:23 Aaah that’d be either 15:34 or 17:34 was this a comma issue from the pilot?. Either way love the vid, subject matter and especially the reference to “normal terms” with Km. DAMN STRAIGHT!

[@magicpyroninja]

Oh you found five more planes. They're not the same ones we're looking for. Oh, they must be one of those other 90 something planes we lost in training

[@AlphaZuluPhotography]

Growing up I always thought the triangle was going to be a much bigger problem than it actually became. That and quicksand.

[@MrMaul80]

Btw they were Avengers, not P51 Mustangs like you mentioned twice towards the end of the video. Sorry, I'm a warbird nerd. But I still liked the video keep up the good work.

[@gripskiddly7080]

There are more planes in the ocean then there are submarines in the sky

[@ludovicschneider6190]

True

[@Kinghutchyafl]

Wow so true

[@44excalibur]

The reason that Taylor believed that he was over the Florida Keys was because Flight 19 did not cross over Grand Bahama like they were supposed to. When they changed course north after their practice bombing run, they actually ended up flying over Great Abaco and the surrounding islands, and not Grand Bahama, which prompted Taylor to believe that they were over the Keys since the Abaco islands look similar from the air. Instead of traveling west towards Grand Bahama and Florida, Taylor turned northeast, further out to sea and into the Bermuda Triangle. Why Taylor made such an unbelievable miscalculation, or why he believed that he was over the Keys when a journey from the Bahamas to the Keys would've taken twice the amount of flight time is a total mystery.

[@rootsnootthnute8598]

Nuh uh you're scared not me!

[@thenegativoneify]

Weird...

[@rootsnootthnute8598]

@thenegativoneify I know right? Dude is freaky.

[@Soma_109]

Another great episode as usual Roanoke

[@marhawkman303]

Enh... it's a decently balanced take, but light on details.

[@thelegendaryfk7922]

Have you thought of covering the real battle LA in the 1940s?

[@TheRealMonkeyrogue]

Roanoke, I missed this one somehow, been four days. That's wild. Anyway, when you do these disappearance things, and there are coordinates, maps, directions or anything, consider an Indiana Jones sort of thing, at least. I know, more editing and production on your end. Just, when you hire an editor or whatever, keep it as a thought. It would really enhance the visuals.

[@brittanycampbell2063]

Growing up i thought the Bermuda triangle, quicksand, and strangers offering me drugs would be a common problem 😅😂

[@mikoajbaszczyszyn4568]

I'm sure many of us as kids thought the Bermuda Triangle would be a much bigger concern in our lives than it actually is.

[@spankyharland9845]

the flight thought they were in an area which they were not and they all ran out of gas. no one is searching in the place they ditched- I also believe that the flight split up so that means the planes are in different locations....to add mystery, the Bermuda Triangle theme was added. It is just a case of lost over the sea and misreporting the location.

[@rogerrendzak8055]

Look at the map, @17:11. That Bermuda Triangle is different. Instead of the point, going to Fort Lauderdale, that point goes to Virginia. And at the very end, you iterated "Maybe one day, the P-51 Mustang group, will be found". Mustangs??? That was a Freudian Slip, wasn't it🤨⁉️

[@madratter]

Seems like Taylor should have known there was no possible way he was looking at Key West. His mission was to go East. When they started they were heading east for around 100 miles before turning north. Key West would have been close to 175 miles South South West. The timing would have meant they all got in the air and flew almost the exact wrong direction and that no one noticed. That impossible.

[@GuardianMinerva]

Love the Bermuda Triangle so creepy

[@nolgroth]

Well, I didn't learn anything new, but I did enjoy your expert narration.

[@CurtisJeffries-cd5vu]

shut up

[@adamwilder2943]

I recall reading about this most unusual mystery..

[@swellcartoona8207]

Now this is what I’ve been waiting for

[@warrior7ra]

Time stamp 22:20 in reference to "the P51 Mustang flight." What are you talking about? They were TBM and TBF Avengers Nothing about P51 Mustangs.. Avengers are large, blocky Torpedo Bombers. Hence, the TB. P 51's or Pursuit fighter 51 known as the Mustang is a real sleek, low profile, Single crew aircraft where TBM's had a crew 3 to 4 depending on mission and configuration. The P51 was also was never operated by the Navy or Marines at all she was strictly Army Air Corps and later Air Force so its a massive distinction between the two aircraft in fact President Bush Senior, was an Avenger pilot and was shot down on a bombing mission in the Pacific

[@vickiejohnson30]

From Broward county also, grew up in Miramar.

[@TheDigitalApple]

Don’t worry guys I know what’s causing these planes to disappear………..crab people!

[@OfficialRedDirtNurse]

Remember when they found Flight 19 in the Sonoran Desert? ;)

[@pendremacherald6758]

I find it utterly absurd that during the search for Flight 19, that PBM Mariner exploded due to a known design flaw. I’m not saying I don’t believe that. I 100% do. That’s just ridiculously unlucky to the point that it almost defies logic. I don’t doubt the reports of USS Solomons.

[@mernyr]

Going to make the request again: Man eaters of Tsavo.

[@alexvankeulen7171]

There is absolutely NOTHING unnatural about the "Bermuda Triangle", it was literally invented by a sensational magazine, and has no bearing in reality. There are statistically no more wrecks there than anywhere else in the ocean. The truth is, the ocean is a dangerous place, and these kinds of silly legends are simply our way of giving meaning to these tragedies. That being said, it's fun to learn about mysterious plane wrecks and what might have caused them

[@thepastmaster5643]

One thing that DOES make the place special is that Bermuda is on top of an ancient "young mantle" volcano. So the sea floor is riddled with magnetite.

[@ludovicschneider6190]

@@thepastmaster5643 Yet thousands of planes fly across it, and never noticed anything weird.

[@thepastmaster5643]

@@ludovicschneider6190 Because modern aviation use GPS and not traditional compasses.

[@connorhernandez6570]

23:00 man went off onto his favorite plane

[@theshape3988]

This one isn't strange. They lost direction bc of equipment malfunction. The same thing happened to the ones who went looking for them.

[@guppyspop]

The one that went looking for them exploded . . .it was witnessed by a navy boat

[@Walkdogable]

One of the members of flight 19 was getting out the service the next day and this happened. So many unanswered questions about this incident.

[@Spooky1862]

The missing clocks from the five aircraft isn’t inexplicable. The war had just ended and personnel had been stealing clocks from the planes as keepsakes as they were being mustered out of the service. The decision was made to remove the clocks from all the planes to stop the pilfering.

[@arctrooperecho2654]

Hell yeah, alway good to see a new vid up

[@katelynthewhitewerewolf6376]

This sounds like a movie idea

[@Crowwalker100]

IIRC I think I read something about someone finding the wreckage of at lest one of the Flight 19 aircraft.

[@mhc706]

The whole thing makes me thing the main guy was trying to get the rookies killed. “We are lost” Ok put the sun on your side and fly along the coast north. “Ok we are heading east” What? “Ok now that we have gone a certain distance east we will begin heading north” Along the coast right? “Ok we are gonna head west now” What? Why? “Oh I didn’t know how far we were. We are going to head east now retracing our steps” Wtf are you doing? Purposefully wasting fuel? That’s on top of all the inquiries about traceable id’s and other questions to locate them. It was all his fault.

[@hamishford5486]

Thank you!

[@StoneSailsSculpture]

People always overestimate the quality of "military grade." Wouldnt surprise me if all those aircraft shipped out with insturments broken. That happens today. Ive never had a piece of fully functioning equipment unless it was fixed when it arrived to the unit. Mean time to faliure for a vehicle is something like 750 MILES (depends in vehicle but thats a rulenof thumb).

[@thepastmaster5643]

Military grade means easy to repair and standardised to hell built by the lowest bidder.

[@frankvandorp9732]

I have to feel for those frustrated pilots, imagine being lost above sea, you know land is to the west, but the moron who commands you keeps ordering you to fly east.

[@shake307]

Everytime he call the TBM Avenger a P-51, DRINK!

[@diegoflores9237]

There are unflat places on land where if you place a ball, it will roll up instead of down. I've heard it has something to do with magnetism. I heard magnetism mentioned years ago when it comes to the Bermuda triangle. Are these phenomena related?

[@GC-doot]

Roanoke tales 🤙🏽 *Sees dogman* 👀 Roanoke bails 🏃🏻‍♂️💨

[@hughgordon6435]

This , this,by far more believable than any "hand wavy" magical supernatural nonsense 😮

[@offensive.sewing.0538]

interesting i saw one of them “history channel” documentarys 20 years ago, about Japanese zero planes where the same thing happened

[@ludovicschneider6190]

... in the bermuda triangle?

[@offensive.sewing.0538]

@@ludovicschneider6190 no but they had something similar happen, most aviation channels talk about the phenomenon of “getting lost” like that

[@FierceDeity35]

The ocean: not even once.

[@VisualTedium]

Imo they didnt practice over Chicken Shoals, they were at a different small island and the navigation was all wrong from that mistake

[@ethanrattray9954]

Can you PLEASSEEEEEEE do another story like alone pleassrr it was the best

[@HCivicFg2]

Woot woot! Early engagement! Boost the algorithim

[@partlycloudy7707]

Timestamp 10:21 -- 15:24 would equate to 3:24pm, not 5:24 pm. Did i hear this right? Which time id accurate, 3 or 5pm?

[@scottiebones]

Believe what you will but there are electromagnetic anomalies that occur in the Bermuda triangle when specific conditions are met and open "dimensional curtains" where they flew through and never returned

[@jamesloder8652]

"Approximately about"

[@abrahamhicks3709]

I always said, they flew out to sea in a eastern direction

[@davidponseigo8811]

4 legs, but you ain't got no legs Lt. Dan.

[@headlesshorseman900]

The triangle is so powerful that it turned the Avengers into mustangs. Spooky stuff.

[@jacobstewart3428]

Can you imagine surviving WW2. Only to die in some stupid ass training mission.

[@connor10harrison]

Great vid

[@argosz8046]

A recent video proposed a scientific explanation for the "Bermuda Triangle" of planes and ships experiencing compass malfunctions, leading to confusion, incorrect assumptions (human factors) and loss of the aircraft/ship. This is that Bermuda Island is formed from a rare volcanic lava (the only one known globally) containing a very high content of Magnetite. As the lava flowed, and later land was eroded and washed into the surrounding ocean, the volume of magnetite could be enough to cause compass malfunction. Once the human brain becomes confused about understanding a problem, and orientation is misinterpreted, illogical and irrational beliefs/actions can occur with devastating consequences. Regardless, all over the world aviation losses have occurred where there is an initial issue, which could be fixed, however the human factor comes in to play and errors are made which unfortunately crash the plane. Highly experienced pilots can become victim just as much as a rookie - sadly it's part of the way the human brain functions, particularly in times of stress.

[@imk2007]

New Roanoke tales let's goooooooo