The Vedanta of Paramahamsa Vishwananda - Tadatmya Vedanta Series 2/3 | Thinking Bhakti Podcast EP28

[@devotoderamakrishna]

As a devotee of Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, I am very happy to see dialogues that shed more light on the real meaning of "advaita", that is: not as the denial of the eternal reality of God, Jagat and Jivas, but rather as the affirmation of the intrinsic unity that exists in everything, for everything "is in God", even though God transcends everything. It is a path of love and devotion and surrender (Bhakti) to God, which provides each soul with its highest realization.

[@Abhinav-m4o]

But just stay away from abrahamic religion Hindus refer abrahamic religion as adharmic Jesus and mohd were adharmic

[@devotoderamakrishna]

@@Abhinav-m4o As a devotee of Sri Ramakrishna, my aim is to be close to my heart in which the Lord lives. Love for God, awareness of our total dependence on Him, desire never to forget Him, this is the way. Sri Krsna tells us at the end of the Bhagavad Gita to give up all religious outside and seek Him. This means that love for God is the direct path. Lord Jesus is divine. If there are then "non-divine" ideas and concepts about Him, that is only the problem of the limitations of the jivas.

[@WamuyuGatheru]

This is the best. Simultaneously advanced philosophy and also a demonstration of the glory and grace of human life. Also the expansive advanced philosophy makes the Vaishnava/Vedanta basics easier to understand. Thank you. Rishi Vrishaparva also getting introduced as Guruji's long term planning coming into fruition - that university education now landed in the Bhakti Marga Academy. Jai Gurudev and I'm only half way :-)!

[@Abhinav-m4o]

Qualified non dualism in short

[@Handlethetruth-x6g]

Excited for this episode

[@adiyen_ramanujan_dasan]

Love these kinds of deep philosophy talk

[@SSSTIERWAIFU]

Can we get a Tutuorial on how to put on that AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME TILAK? I LOVE IT ever since I found you!

[@AmreshAmar]

Hare Krishna

[@sorayaveer1652]

Jai Gurudev

[@marinastorina1657]

❤ thank you

[@WamuyuGatheru]

About 1:40:00 mins will need to be explained several times. I almost missed that the distinction in tadatmya anubhava merging is the perception, the ahamkara collapsing rather than the soul merging. What is bhakti in advaita? Can one be devoted to the impersonal? Overall, all these words and philosophy remain signposts to God realization. The words will always fall short of the experience that cannot be described. Its like trying to explain why we follow Guruji. Impossible to explain in words. And so we devotees will always appear foolish and brainwashed 🙂

[@Rishivrishaparvaananda]

Jai Gurudev, Tādātmya-anubhava is best explained by the river flowing into the ocean according to Muṇḍaka and Praśna Upaniṣad. What's important to understand in this case is that, as you say, there is no merging. What this analogy emphasises, according to Guruji Paramahamsa Vishwananda and the early Vaishnava commentators on the Upaniṣad, is the similarity of quality that results from the union of the river with the ocean. The sweet water of the river becomes salty and thus assumes the nature or identity of the ocean. Sri Ranga Ramanuja, a famous commentator of the Sri Vaishnava tradition, presents this as paramātmasāmyamātram, which means only resembling the paramātmā, not merging with it. Only the form of the difference is removed, not the ontological distinction between ātmā and Paramātmā. This is shown, for example, on the cover of the book. Bhakti in Advaita is identical or similar to bhakti in any other tradition. What is different is the prayojana or goal. For the Vaishnava, bhakti is the means and the end; for the Advaiti, bhakti is the means but not the end, because there is no distinction between two entities at the higher level of reality called paramartika, and therefore no expression of devotion. Having said that, there are also differences in the definition of bhakti according to the various Vaishnava and Advaitic schools, the most important being probably that between Rupa Goswami and Madhusudana Sarawati, but this is a debate that belongs to their tradition. Our definition of bhakti can be applied to someone who follows Advaita. Only the goal is different. The devotion of advaita is not towards the formless, it is towards Isvara, who is understood as the first appearance of nirguna Brahman, by whose grace we go towards nirguna Brahman. However, bhakti as an exclusive mean in advaita is a relatively recent view, not necessarily shared by the earliest adherents of the system. One chapter of the book is devoted to the linga or indicators that are referred to in order to know why one is following a particular path. The book explains the reasoning behind this, although ultimately it is not a process of the mind, but a process of pratyabijna or inner knowledge, known to the intellect but beyond the senses. 🙏

[@MashaVivo]

🫶🏻Thank you

[@TatiPerrone]

Podem colocar as legendas em português ativas? Quero muito ver esses vídeos de vcs! 🙏🏼🩷

[@thechurningrod]

Subtitles will follow soon

[@TatiPerrone]

@ obrigada! Agora já estou a conseguir. No momento da estreia não estava liberado! Jai Gurudev! 🙏🏼

[@nzbtjnzbtj8162]

Is there a part 3 yet? I don't want to miss it.

[@thechurningrod]

Yes, next Friday.

[@nzbtjnzbtj8162]

@@thechurningrod thank you. your reply is appreciated.

[@Wav-Re]

Please add the Reference Reading materials for the Each topics mentioned!! Example : Bheeda Abheeda

[@nadiraalli9683]

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[@rudrainstructions4166]

Do u think smritis and puranas should be discarded in place for vedas and upnishads only And can you please chat with indian social reformer acharya prashant.

[@VishalSah-vk2sb]

Please reflect.. 1. Can anyone assign to oneself the title of acharya? 2. How well will upanishad and veda only go with followers of the sanatan dharma? How equipped you yourself are with sanskrit grammar to actually access Veda?

[@krishnakishore2204]

Great Episode. I genuinely have a doubt as an aspiring bhakta from another lineage. Let'snsay your Guru ji can really guide each and every bhakta from their different bhavas towards bhagavan. What would happen after him? What if there is no one like him that can equally guide a Madhurya devotee or a Dasya devotee? If there is such a wide spectrum of rasas towards bhagavan then how can they nurture their eternal svabhas? My question is pure curiosity and not criticism. Sri Hari

[@Rishivrishaparvaananda]

Jai Gurudev! That is indeed an interesting point. It’s important to note that although we use similar terminology when discussing rasa and bhava, the way Paramahamsa Vishwananda explains the theory of rasa differs from, say, the Gaudiya Vaishnava perspective. In our philosophy, bhava does not come externally from the Guru. Rather, it is an internal viśeṣa (specificity) inherent in each ātma that is carved out, so to speak, as one follows the path laid out by the Satguru. Thus, as long as the Satguru’s teachings and Grace are present, the manifestation of bhava and the ensuing state of rasa remain accessible and are uniquely specific to each individual. Each ātma has a distinct and incomparable relationship with the Lord, one that is beyond comparison to any other and does not exist within any hierarchical framework. Hope this help to understand our stance.

[@krishnakishore2204]

@@Rishivrishaparvaananda Okay, Sounds like maybe a podcast explaining the view of Rasa in Hari Bhakta Sampradaya ?? Thanks for the response!

[@Haveagodday-w8m]

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[@reikivilacova]

tadatma

[@sonnycsorba6750]

In the leela of pundalik he was doing is duty to his parents and focused on them how what attracted the lord if pundalik duty towards his parents doesn’t fit in the definition of exclusive flow of loving consciousness towards the Lord ?

[@Rishivrishaparvaananda]

Jai Gurudev, In the Taittīriyopaniṣad, we find the following mantra: devṛkābhyāṃ na pramaditavyam । mātṛdevobhava । pitṛdevo bhava । ācārya devo bhava । atithidevo bhava ।. You must not be negligent in your duties to the gods and manes. Be someone for whom the mother is a Goddess. Be someone for whom the father is a God. Let your teacher be a God to you. May your guest be a God to you. - Taittīriyopaniṣad, antevāsyanuśāsanam, 1.11. In this spirit, the definition applies 🙏

[@sonnycsorba6750]

@ thanks for sharing 🙏

[@johnxd3138]

Regarding the rejection of Advaita philosophy according to any definition, what is Gurudev's objection to the non monistic definition of Advaita as expounded by Meykandar Deva and his dualist, Theistic, non monistic form of Saiva Siddhanta? My cursory understanding from studying an English translation of Sivagnana Botham, is that union with the Divine isn't an annihilation of the self in God, but just as the light of the sun doesn't destroy the stars in the sky, it engulfs them in its brilliance.

[@Abhinav-m4o]

Shaivism itself is second largest denomination in Hinduism

[@Abhinav-m4o]

Hmmm what's your reason for choosing this Hindu philosophy over kashmiri shaivism

[@johnxd3138]

@@Abhinav-m4o At this stage of my journey, I don't feel that impersonalism/monism resonates with me. I'm definitely a theist. OM🕉️🔱🌙❤️ Peace 🙏

[@ware-rey]

1:16:20

[@chanderhaskumar6825]

Vraj is not a bubble without philosophy. If it was all vedantist would not travel there. It is the peak of a Pyramid - the govardhan hill that is being enjoyed by those on prema Bhakti. It is held up by those who enjoy the vedantic gyaan and structural engineering. These vedantist hold their sticks up touching the govardhan from below supporting the Govardhan in their own way. Knowing completely well that Krishna alone holds the entire mountain on his credible power and personality

[@DharmaSpeaks]

I think the point is that while Vraj attracts great philosophers it has a tremendous bhakti culture. This means it has a protective atmosphere where devotion can be practised without opposition or contention. Hence why the need for philosophy is not as critical.

[@chanderhaskumar6825]

@DharmaSpeaks OR rather the opposition has been convincingly won over that no more can exist. The existence of pure devotional in love is also substantiated by personal realisations of those who come from outside and are converted and mysticism that exists around places like Nidhi van, story of Shayamananda and Gulab sakhi etc.

[@TatiPerrone]

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[@BharathiFromSouth]

To All Guruji Namaskara. Jai Sri Ram, Jai Sri Krishna, Har har Mahadev 🙏🕉️🔱🙏 Sanatan Dharma : a term used to encompass 6 schools of philosophy, that gives freedom through adopting the ultimate way of life... no dogmas. You are the master of your life not a slave to rigid pathways. So what is special about being a Hindu? 1) Believe in God ! - Aastik - Accepted. 2) Don't believe in God ! - You're accepted as Nastik 3) You want to worship idols - please go ahead. You are a murti pujak. 4) You don't want to worship idols- no problem u can focus on Nirguna Brahman. 5) You want to criticise something in our religion. Come forward. We are logical. Nyaya, Tarka etc are core Hindu schools 6) You want to accept beliefs as it is. Most welcome. Please go ahead with it. 7) You want to start your journey by reading Bhagvad Gita - Sure ! 8) You want to start your journey by reading Upanishads - Go ahead 9) You want to start your journey by reading Purana - Be my guest. 10) You just don't like reading Puranas or other books. No problem my dear. Go by Bhakti tradition. 11) You don't like the idea of Bhakti ! No problem. Do your Karma. Be a karmayogi. 12) You want to enjoy life. Very good. No problem at all. This is Charvaka Philosophy. 13) You want to abstain from all the enjoyment of life & find God - jai ho ! Be a Sadhu, an ascetic ! 14) You don't like the concept of God. You believe in Nature only - Welcome. (Trees are our friends and Prakriti or nature is worthy of worship). 15) You believe in one God or Supreme Energy. Superb! Follow Advaita philosophy 16) You want a Guru. Go ahead. Receive gyaan. 17) You don't want a Guru.. Help yourself ! Meditate, Study ! 18) You believe in Female energy ! Shakti is worshipped. 19) You believe that every human being is equal. Yeah! You're awesome, come on let's celebrate Hinduism! "Vasudhaiva kutumbakam" (the world is a family) 20) You don't have time to celebrate the festival. Don't worry. One more festival is coming! There are multiple festivals every single day of the year. 21) You are a working person. I don't have time for religion. Its okay. You will still be a Hindu 22) You like to go to temples. Devotion is loved. 23) You don't like to go to temples - no problem. You are still a Hindu! 24) You know that Hinduism is a way of life, with considerable freedom. 25) You believe that everything has God in it. So you worship your mother, father, guru, tree, River, Prani-matra, Earth, Universe 26) And If you don't believe that everything has GOD in it - No problems. Respect your viewpoint. 27) "Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu "(May you all live happily) This is exactly the essence of Hinduism, all inclusive. That is why it has withstood the test of time, inspite of repeated onslaughts both from within and outside, and assimilated every good aspects from everything . That is why it is eternal. There is a saying in Rigveda , the first book ever known to mankind which depicts the Hinduism philosophy in a Nutshell " Ano bhadrah Krathavo Yanthu Vishwathah" Let the knowledge come to us from every direction. Hinduvata: In Simple words, Hinduvata will rise when Dharma and Hindu is Oppressed. Please tell me if anything is wrong in my words. I will correct myself. Hari om 🙏🕉️🔱🙏

[@rajarsi6438]

The word "Hindu" doesn't exist in the Vedas. It's a word coming from muslims.

[@rajarsi6438]

btw, Your claim that you're speaking for all people identifying with "Hindu" is a joke only. You've expressed your personal fantasies, that's all.

[@joancasper1033]

ROASTED Very GRATEFUL 🌶️🌶️🌶️

[@kabirpalamadai3742]

What is the point of studying and learning all of this? Is Sadhana and the Guru's Grace not enough? Genuine question..

[@BharathiFromSouth]

IF and only IF wants to uplift yourself go with Nature of Sanatana Dharma.

[@presatito]

True. It's interesting, but in the end, more concepts that are accumulated in the mind that will need to be let go.

[@priyaj6242]

When your sadhana and the quality of your efforts reach a certain point, then with His grace, you will automatically receive all of the knowledge there is to receive. But until then, we can always educate ourselves besides doing our sadhana, because knowledge also increases our devotion! :)

[@nandagramecovillage3707]

Absorbing the intellect in transcendental matters is also yoga. It guidea our perception of reality and anchors us in thoughts of God

[@miriamrosendichu]

To add to that, as long as you have a mind, you must feed it with the right content, for it to stick to sadhana and recognize Grace.

[@AlexAntony380]

There cannot be a One with differences. Differences implies multiplicity. All differences have their origin in ignorance. Knowledge removes that ignorance and experience of the One follows.

[@nandagramecovillage3707]

That is a material concept

[@winwinyuta3731]

What’s a material concept?

[@nandagramecovillage3707]

@@winwinyuta3731 it is a material concept to say that difference cannot exist in oneness. That is our experience in this world of time and space, where everything seems to abide by the laws of physics. The spiritual reality cannot be compared to this or simply be the opposite of this. The spiritual reality abides by rasa, and rasa is the basis of reality. Variety exists to aid rasa, and no material laws are there to restrict this variegation. The Spiritual reality is ever dynamic and creative.

[@AlexAntony380]

@@nandagramecovillage3707 heard of the term non-dual ? spiritual reality is non-dual and therefore devoid of any variety. pure and simple. you are perhaps referring to saguna brahman which is dynamic and creative.

[@nandagramecovillage3707]

@@AlexAntony380 of course I have heard of the term, I have heard of many terms, but my understanding of non-dual is not the same as yours. Non-dual can also mean one in purpose and still be dynamic. The illusion we find ourselves in is not without substance. Just because you confuse a rope for a snake, doesn't mean that snakes do not exist. This is a very deep subject matter and I would encourage you to not just dismiss it because of your paradigm of oneness and non variegations. The variety of the spiritual reality is absolute and oneness is a principle included in it, but it is not restricted in any way. Relationship in the absolute is beyond any material conception. Don't try to apply quantum physics or any sort of material reality to this. It can only be understood through pure devotional service to the Supreme personality of Godhead. This includes abandoning all material desires and attachments and aligning the individual desire with the absolute will. So oneness is the initial realization that many people can have, even by taking hallucinogenics, but one has to go beyond.

[@cultsandcontroverse3949]

CultCultCult Talk 😂

[@basilejolissaint1645]

do you know what a cult is ?

[@Bruh-jw2ze]

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