The View From the Israeli Right

On Tuesday I got back from an eight-day trip to Israel and the West Bank. I happened to be there on the day that Benny Gantz resigned from the war cabinet and called on Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to schedule new elections, breaking the unity government that Israel had had since shortly after Oct. 7.
There is no viable left wing in Israel right now. There is a coalition that Netanyahu leads stretching from right to far right and a coalition that Gantz leads stretching from center to right. In the early months of the war, Gantz appeared ascendant as support for Netanyahu cratered. But now Netanyahu’s poll numbers are ticking back up.
So one thing I did in Israel was deepen my reporting on Israel’s right. And there, Amit Segal’s name kept coming up. He’s one of Israel’s most influential political analysts and the author of “The Story of Israeli Politics (pashoshim.com/...) ” is coming out in English.
Segal and I talked about the political differences between Gantz and Netanyahu, the theory of security that’s emerging on the Israeli right, what happened to the Israeli left, the threat from Iran and Hezbollah and how Netanyahu is trying to use President Biden’s criticism to his political advantage.
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This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Claire Gordon. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris with Kate Sinclair. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our senior editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith and Kristin Lin. Original music by Isaac Jones. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser. And special thanks to Sonia Herrero.

[@BlainEnoch]

As an Israeli, I can tell you that no one is better equipped to explain Israeli public opinion with all its diversity, as well as the psyche of prominent Israeli politicians, than Amit Segal. He's been known in Israel for twenty years now as something of a savant in these subjects. I'm really glad to see that he's finally starting to appear in international media, at long last. Finally some commentary on Israel by somebody who actually knows and deeply understands Israeli society and political history.

[@MmmAaaMmmAaa..__..]

What? 😂 He’s a blundering idiot and a mouthpiece. He’s also barely coherent in English. He represents what he is told to, and gives an account that is made up of over 90% a specific agenda and personal opinions rather than facts. I’m absolutely shocked this is who Ezra Klein chose to interview.

[@DMC1982]

Gideon Levy is much better and he is honest.

[@freedahlogic8368]

@@DMC1982 Haaretz is a social disease that encourages naive, ignorant demands for the impossible.

[@OriAriel94]

as an israeli, i can tell you he is considered bibi's thomas friedman

[@wendyfay16]

Any humane Izreali would be ashamed to admit to being an Izreali. They have only made enemies around the world since this ... the world has seen what these people are ... & no-one has any sympathy for them.

[@margaretthompson6041]

It’s clear from many of the comments that there is a great deal of ignorance and/or denial about: 1. settler violence in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Armenian Quarter. 2. the psychological and other effects of settler colonialism as seen in US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Palestine, etc 3. the realities of life in Gaza post 2005. My concern is that this podcast did not address any of that ignorance or misinformation. Why does Ezra feel it is necessary to give a platform to people who lie, and then refuse push back? Who is he helping? You may say Israel, but I think what Israel needs now is critical friends who will help them see their own culpability, not a Ghislaine Maxwell.

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

I think he is showing how disconnected the Israeli political conversation is from reality. I wanted to scream when he started claiming tiktoks as evidence of quality of life in pre war gaza

[@cowdaddy4595]

@@WriteInAaronBushnell I thought that his recommendation to get the truth from IDF soldiers were even further out there.

[@ceceo9480]

Couldn't agree more such a shocking display of misinformation and disregard for human life

[@shmuelba1]

And you are the one that knows the truth? You visited Gaza or Israel ever in your life? If so when? Or are you just consuming info from your warm little liberal self righteous platforms

[@margaretthompson6041]

@@WriteInAaronBushnell that was the point where I had to stop listening for a while to self-regulate.

[@ahagamama]

I am not Israeli or Palestinian, but lived in Jerusalem for a year in the 1950's. I am so sorry that someone with Ezra's talents as an interviewer are used in a way that does not seem to look very deeply into facts on the ground, but instead to magnify personal opinions.

[@MmmAaaMmmAaa..__..]

Exactly.

[@yamadakenji4143]

It's even sader that his interviewee, apparently one of Israel's foremost journalists, cares even less about looking into the facts and flat out denies them, like the blockade of Gaza for over 15 years, and tries to sugar coat the dire effects on the overall nutrion of large parts of the population with anecdotal stories about elite restaurants and the like

[@MmmAaaMmmAaa..__..]

@@yamadakenji4143 He is a government mouthpiece. He’s a journalist as much as I am a professional Yodeler 😂 Yodeley hee hoo… from the Sound of Music is all I’ve got. Don’t get so worked up about him, no one with half a brain takes him seriously even in Israel. And no matter his opinions, he’s just a terrible incoherent blubber mouth, terrible interview, not because it can’t be interesting or educating, but because he’s a terrible interviewee. I lasted almost 30 minutes with great effort and gave up. He’s so unclear and blabs so much it just wasn’t worth it.

[@arondawitt]

​@@yamadakenji4143bro u know nothing! Go to the map gaza have a border with Egypt so Israel cant block nothing in the Egyptian side plus Israel gave the Palestinians more aid from its side for all of those years period.!.

[@jonathanpuigvert7468]

@@arondawitt do you know that Israel took control the border between gaza and Israel, right?

[@dshamos]

As an Israeli leftist I say that Mr. Klein yet again demonstrates that he has no real understanding of the realities we face here. He has great language skills and a sharp, very aggressive rhetorical style which are great to listen to. Unfortunately they're mere meaningless words that have no bearing in reality.

[@torrentialrage]

lmfao what makes you a leftist

[@dshamos]

Ideologically I'm a leftist, but in this tough neighborhood I am not suicidal. Realism, not ideology counts

[@torrentialrage]

@@dshamos You are a nationalist. Leftism for everyone in the in-group and radical extermination for everyone else.

[@dshamos]

You don't define me. I define me and you do you. I am a leftist. Always voted left and still do. Yet reality keeps on trickling into ideologies, wishes and hopes. The so called "Left" that denies my right to exist without rockets and suicide bombers is the probable fascist here.

[@0israel0c0]

​​@@dshamosIf you are not suicidal, than you are rightists israeli. WELCOME

[@Elzaphan66]

Right at the opening statement Ezra draws some analogy between what the Hamas did in 10/7 and what few, crazys on the right do on the West Bank. The fact there is even a remote analogy between the two (as Ezra seen to pose) is really disturbing. There is isn’t.. Also the difference between how the “world” vs how Israel sees it battle. My guess is how the world elite sees it vs how the world common people. And the election in Europe may prove my point. Ezra thinks the “world” is the state department and their equivalents in the UK and France.

[@pantethine66]

This is even worse because the settlers' movement in the West Bank is supported by the present government of Israel. The settlers could do whatever they wanted to Palestinians without any repercussions.

[@MmmAaaMmmAaa..__..]

With all do respect, there is some equivalency between Hamas and some (not all) right wing violent settlers in the West Bank. Both groups are religiously extremist, both funded from outside, both want all of the land, and both have no problem with violence as a way to achieve their goals. There are differences as well, of course. The violent settlers are a small group, no where near Hamas numbers. They are also at least somewhat moderated (if not enough at all) by rule of law. Also, while these settlers have ample funding they don’t have the hundreds of millions Hamas has in its possession, and they are less murdery, if that’s a word. But give them more power, money and freedom from accountability or legal repercussions and you basically have the same elements of a terror organization. They may not be as terrible as Hamas, but they are still terrible enough. The equivalency itself is not the problem, the problem is that what those settlers do reflects, in the eyes of some in the world, on the entire Israeli society, while the vast majority of Israeli society is nothing like those settlers and has nothing to do with them.

[@Elzaphan66]

This is wrong on so many levels. I’ll start with one. The Hamas actively pursues (as its ancestors for the past 100y) a policy of a complete total eradication of Jews and Jewish sovereignty from ANY part of the land of Israel. Have the settlers movement as such ever engaged encouraged acts of terror as the Hamas does ? Have they ever claimed their desire to kill as many Muslims or Arabs ..?

[@pantethine66]

@@Elzaphan66 Of course they want to rid the Jews that came from Europe, not the Jewish people that have lived on the land for thousands of years because the European Jews came to Palestine to colonize the land and make it into a Jewish state and basically ethnically cleanse the native population of land or make them into a second class citizens.

[@CoveyWill]

@@Elzaphan66 The US mainstream, Israel-friendly news station CNN reported (1/17/2024) that "Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich and National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir have advocated for the mass relocation of Palestinians outside of Gaza to make way for Israeli settlers...." Recently, we saw Settlers blocking aid trucks bringing supplies needed for Gaza people to survive, after years of Settlers' regular terrorist tactics in the West Bank, like the Duma arson that burned an infant, July 2015 (actually burned, not fictive claims of burning as in Fall 2023).

[@אמריצרפתי-ת3ו]

As an Israeli who thinks his government is the worst, I think Amit accurately describes the sentiment that exists in Israel

[@Dushan-o8w]

Israel is openly genocidal.

[@shahryarkabir]

24:41 we all know this is not your dream. It wasn’t your fathers dream. It isn’t your dream. It’s a shame Ezra isn’t able to call an open racist and representative of an extreme right wing ideology out more directly on their real dream. The one they only speak about in Hebrew at the dinner table when the rest of the world isn’t listening. Or if they make it to the Knesset, they speak about openly. The dream to complete the complete ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from the land that is given to them via the 2000 year old land deed we all know as the Old Testament.

[@titanomachy2217]

Straight facts. Just a soft ethnosupremacist interviewing a hardline ethnosupremacist. Jish supremacy is a serious problem that nobody is talking about in mainstream circles.

[@maltija1]

They could have done that in a week if such was their dream. On the contrary, the Arabs in Gaza and Judea and Samaria have multiplied. How's that for "genocide"?

[@shahryarkabir]

You must think these kindergarten arguments still have enough validity in the marketplace of ideas. I guess human society can be quite simplistic but people are slowly starting to understand the bigger picture. Genocides are never carried out in a single act because it leaves the perpetrator in the unenviable position of having to pretend not to be horrific. So the government and Israeli society will grapple with how they achieve their horrific goals while not trying to come across as such which tends to stretch out the timeline. The result; what you’re seeing everyday. For the record, despite the decades of state terror, I’d rather Israelis are able to live in peace and my recommendations would be towards what is much more likely to bring about peace in the long run. But it does require giving up a few biblical prophesies. Sadly, I don’t think the people are ready for that.

[@shahryarkabir]

You must think these kindergarten arguments still have enough validity in the marketplace of ideas. I guess human society can be quite simplistic but people are slowly starting to understand the bigger picture. Genocides are never carried out in a single act because it leaves the perpetrator in the unenviable position of having to pretend not to be horrific. So the government and Israeli society will grapple with how they achieve their horrific goals while not trying to come across as such which tends to stretch out the timeline. The result; what you’re seeing everyday. For the record, despite the decades of state terror, I’d rather Israelis are able to live in peace and my recommendations would be towards what is much more likely to bring about peace in the long run. But it does require giving up a few biblical prophesies. Sadly, I don’t think the people are ready for that.

[@gandydancer9710]

". It’s a shame Ezra isn’t able to call an open racist and representative of an extreme right wing ideology out more directly on their[sic] real dream." You know this because you can read his mind?

[@annehalpin8516]

Ezra, would want to live as a Palestinian on the West Bank? Raids, settler violence and a 2 tier system make it the smaller hell managed by Israel.

[@guitarsandbongos]

if only they accepted sovereignty in even one of the many times it was offered to them.

[@hishamalaker491]

@@guitarsandbongos What kind of sh*tty soverignty are we talking? The one where there is no military? Where we give all of jerusalem? The one where we are dependent on the zionists as some sort of dog protecting them from resistance militias? Its BS all of it and it has been hijacked by netanyahu and other goverment members many times over.

[@robbybaggio4007]

I’m quite surprised how ill prepared Eara was to push back on many of the falsehoods and standard Israeli talking points usually repeated by pro Israel hasbara spokespeople. Would love to see this guy be interviewed by someone like Mehdi Hassan

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

Remember how the NYT cheerleaded the invasion of Iraq in 03?

[@titanomachy2217]

This interview is just a soft ethnosupremacist interviewing a hardline ethnosupremacist.

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

@@titanomachy2217 well said

[@shahryarkabir]

It may be Ezra using Socratic method to expose the contradictions and falsehoods of the Israeli media elites. That’s my lemon juice.

[@gandydancer9710]

Name a "falsehood". Without a timestamp it didn't happen. And it has to be false too.

[@lisacohen9686]

I cannot understand why Israel is expected to give all this aid to a country that started a war with them? Why not Egypt? And all the other surrounding countries?

[@yamadakenji4143]

Because Gaza is under siege by Israel and de-facto occupied. The occupier has the responsibility of ensuring that the basic needs of the occupied population are covered. Israel has been shirking that responsibility for ages. Read up on humanitarian law binding on all states

[@ARE_YOU_SICK_OF_YT_CENSORSHIP]

better ask FJB who hopefully will be gone by the next year

[@strnbrg59]

Because those are expectations. Didn't the allies make sure German civilians stayed well-fed during the two world wars?

[@skatealex1]

​@ARE_YOU_SICK_OF_YT_CENSORSHIP what a silly comment. Trump wouldn't even support aid for Gaza

[@ARE_YOU_SICK_OF_YT_CENSORSHIP]

@@skatealex1 that's exactly what's needed for the victory, FJB prevents Israel from coming out victorious he's gonna be remembered as one of those infamous Roman emperors who suppressed Jews

[@maltija1]

Perhaps if your audience want to listen to a certified leftie, you might consider interviewing Einat Wilf.

[@gandydancer9710]

No, I don't. Life is too short to waste time and brain cells on his ilk.

[@Masviida]

Three is no left in Israel ! All of them are far right to ultra farrrrr right , to extreme fuckers

[@MAHOSHTRAHOSH]

@@gandydancer9710 HER* ilk.

[@gandydancer9710]

@@MAHOSHTRAHOSH Why should I know or care about "her" pronouns?

[@MAHOSHTRAHOSH]

@@gandydancer9710 idiot, Einat Wilf is a female.

[@booz394]

Great conversation

[@danielbairey4411]

Dear NYT “The” view from the right or “a” view from the right ?. A subtle agenda similarly shines thru the interview.

[@alanargent5676]

Yes highly disingenuous. As if the right is some sort of amorphous organism. I would suggest a view from reality as opposed to meta narratives which largely emanate from the Left, which to play that game has no diversity of opinion. NYT is part of the othering problem and like BBC, Guardian etc has a strong anti-Israel agenda which it tries to make it subtle. But fails.

[@PauloAdriano-zo2ng]

The NYT has always had an agenda!You're just finally catching on...😅

[@danielbairey4411]

@@PauloAdriano-zo2ng becomes clearer every time it is accused of a pro Israel one 😉

[@hyperboloid-g7q]

😅

[@akivaragen]

News flash: All journelast have a political opinion. Probably better getting a review from him than someone from the opposite political opinion.

[@marinasuarezdebauer6579]

I should have expected it but I was nevertheless very perturbed by this interview. I've confirmed that a inviting prolog can be completely missleading, that permissivness can actually be a form of tendentiousness, that right and left can be measured by an old slide ruler and that pretended objectivity a platform for non critical aproval. It was like a conversation between börsenbrokers and financial tycoons talking about what suits their personal interests and diminish their financial risks, in the middle of a world financial crisis where millions will suffer the consequences. Thanks for nothing else than watching two of the same dealing just with their own belly button. My take away: A perfect example of gaslighting and denial.

[@shahryarkabir]

Why is it that the ability to articulate yourself intelligently, as you have done, Marina, goes hand in hand with a position that is not credulous to the contradictions peppered throughout the logic posited here by Amit?

[@marinasuarezdebauer6579]

@@shahryarkabir I fail to understand the sense of your question.

[@Shairony]

very well said 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@mua2]

I always chuckle when I hear Israelis invoke UN Security Council resolutions lol. They ignore every international body that condemns them, ignore every resolution that imposes restrictions on them, then they cry about Hezbollah or Iran flouting international law 😂

[@Shrulik]

You ignore that international law is based on national interests and not justice and therefore reflects the economic and political weight of countries. I guess you forgot to mention that since the 1973-74 OPEC oil embargo most countries understand that their national interests are better served by being inclined to pro Arab/Muslims and ever since Israel became a pariah state in international arena and singled out by every session of the UN.

[@mua2]

@@Shrulik fine, but then Israelis should not whine about security council resolutions that haven’t been enforced. When you take a cynical reading of international laws and norms then be prepared for your enemies to cynically break them, and don’t complain.

[@Shrulik]

@@mua2 Which international law Muslims are bound by? The law to conquer the world and impose Islam? The law to steal all Jewish holy places? Or the law to free the world from Jewish presence? In reality the tiny nation of Israel will always try to bound by international law that the 1.8 billion Muslims will never see itself bound by anything except using every way possible including the international community to eradicate Israel. You chuckle because you are hypocrite. Israel is pressured always to abandon the right to defend itself in exchange for promises that are never kept and now face existential threat by Iran proxy right at its Northern border.

[@1being]

​@@Shrulikthanks for pointing out that this violent settler colonial project is not in Americans' interest.

[@esbenm6544]

@@Shrulik cope

[@leonardwalls870]

Always look for your podcast first, and never disapointed,and again today first rate.

[@kfirmordechay3062]

Thinking that Denying what happened on Oct 7th is analogues to questioning random settler violence is ridiculous

[@maorthekinglong]

They annoy and arass the jewish viligers and film only when they try to fight back to show them the viligers are the problem. Now they set thier own houses on fier and say the evil Jews did it. Shameful lies and the west media lies to. Even biden and blinken lies.

[@kenzou776]

Agreed. So much of it happens, the equivalence. Such as the equivalence between Sinwar and Netanyahu

[@kfirmordechay3062]

It causes so much moral confusion

[@suhaib6315]

Random settler violence? 600+ Palestinians died in the West bank last year, the deadliest year for Palestinians till this one, which is partly what lead to Hamas attacking. Denying state violence is not as bad if not worse than desperate actions by a besieged people is the most bougie take anyone can have.

[@morenitomoreno1282]

How about claiming that dead and wounded palestinian civilians are actually actors in a propaganda movie?

[@donnyhand]

Thank you for letting Amit Segal talk

[@Elzaphan66]

Are you serious ? Remind me. What Official role does Danielle have now or in the past 15 years? Contrary what does OFFICIAL spokespersons of both Hamas and the Fatah say?

[@frumaholland4616]

Amazing that Ezra didn't want to talk about the fact that there was never any blockade on Gaza or the fact that the PLO/FATACH is the same as Hamas, just a terrorist organization with better PR. If you don't acknowledge those 2 things then the rest of the conversation is not worth anything. It's the basis for understanding anything

[@dschutz2211]

Lmao youre hasbara

[@yamadakenji4143]

You've accepted the tenet that it's good vs. evil and the Israeli side can do no wrong. You're right that a conversation doesn't make much sense. But the reason it makes no sense is that people like you are immovable be facts and rely entirely on a Zionist narrative at the expense of a more realistic assessment of the situation

[@connor5669]

The PLO is not the same as Hamas...

[@itsherlocknosh]

@@connor5669lol. Sure.

[@doesntmatter4136]

They call the fact Israel inspects what goes into Gaza to prevent weapons, and only does it from the Israeli border (meaning Egypt could and does decide what goes in and out on their own), a 'blockade' lol

[@shahryarkabir]

25:41 Ezra you should have had enough spine to tell Amit that for him to talk about a two state solution after saying everything he just said is not just fantastical it’s disingenuous. And that’s being charitable.

[@shahryarkabir]

On second thought, it’s for the best you didn’t take a prosecutorial approach. Your semi Socratic method allowed Amit to show his true colors. Contradict himself over and over and expose the paranoid mindset that has taken hold of what seems like the vast majority of the population. That is in no way meant to trivialize the legitimate worries that Jewish people have about achieving safety and security. But Israel has nothing new to teach us about how lasting peace is achieved. Especially in situations as entrenched as this. Apologies to anyone reading this. I stand aside and let the pros do their thing. Keep talking Amit, the broader public would love to hear more.

[@kiswindsidaguigma9261]

What is the solution to the problem? Because the Palestinians can't remain in the subjugation state they have been put in. The world now knows what's going on.

[@AbundanceProtocol]

it's disingenuous to talk about a two state solution when no Palestinian leader ever agreed to compromise on the Right of Return - something that 80-90% of Palestinians consistently demand and refuse to compromise on even if that means no peace and no statehood. A Right of Return and statehood essentially just means creating two Palestinian states and ethnically cleansing Israeli Jews from the land.

[@shahryarkabir]

@@AbundanceProtocol the right of return is also the internationally recognized legal position in the case of Israel’s occupation. Not that Israel gives a damn about the law. There is of course a negotiated settlement that could include a semblance of the right of return so as to keep Israeli borders and sovereignty intact along the ‘67 borders. That could have international peacekeeping troops for as long as it takes to ensure that Israeli citizens are safe in their lands while ensuring Palestinians have a right to self-determination. But I think your fear now is that you have devastated their people so heinously and for so long, they will never forgive you. Luckily, you aren’t dealing with Israelis on the other side so there is still a chance for truth and reconciliation.

[@AbundanceProtocol]

@@shahryarkabir what's a "internationally recognized legal position"? Did the UN Security Council vote on it? No. So its BS. When laws are applied selectively they're not really laws. UN peace keepers were supposed to make sure Hizbollah doesn't rearm. Instead Israel has hundreds of thousands of Hizbollah rockets aimed at it. When the UN has any credibility in "peace keeping" we'll talk.

[@strnbrg59]

Amit Segal is not considered right-wing in Israel. He writes for a moderate-left paper (which is not at all moderate in its hatred of Benjamin Netanyahu) where he's pretty much in his natural habitat. But yeah, people can come across as right-wing when it's their life on the line, and for you it's only about feeling virtuous.

[@handle8431]

To an indoctrinated NYT prog like Klein he is a right winger

[@Paradisusinfernalis6815]

Amit is not considered right in Israel ? 😂 there is nothing left as the left in Israel anymore- just bunch of old crazies who cannot give up unto the ideas of their own privileged elitism and self righteous nausea .

[@MmmAaaMmmAaa..__..]

You are misrepresenting the truth in a big BIG way. He is incredibly right wing. He writes also for Haaretz as they allow different views and he’s just the annoying click bait. Saying Segal is moderate is throwing sand at peoples’ eyes. The man is not only hard right-wing, he’s a mouthpiece.

[@annakortukov2845]

We are only considered far right because of how far the left went with their unholy alliance between communism and jihad.

[@connor5669]

Funny how you never apply that same logic to palestinians

[@kutaibahaljaloudi1568]

Ezra, are you seriously bringing up someon using TikTok as a credible source of information, when you criticized him, and he retorted with ‘okay, Facebook’

[@rachelebgi]

before Oct 7th there were influencers living in Gaza documenting their life and reality. We saw beaches, boardwalks, cafes, etc. Another influencer showed the state of the art college campus he went to and it looked better than my school. That’s prob what he is referring to.

[@tomermuzi8151]

@@JODura1 Open a map. They have a border with Egypt, they can enter and leave whenever they want, it does not fall under the definition of a blockade. Regardless, before the war, Israel allowed Palestinians to work in Israel more than the Egyptians allowed.

[@yamadakenji4143]

Israeli Hasbara is becoming lazier and lazier. It's like they don't care

[@Adamantaimai]

​@@JODura1 Can't handle facts? scream genocide lol

[@chilli_bean_23]

@@tomermuzi8151Read what you wrote: israel “allowed” Palestinians… Palestinians should not have to be “allowed” to do anything - they are equal human beings.

[@itsikmiz]

Amit Segal is brilliant and have deep understanding of the Israeli POV. I don't agree on one point, I think that the Israeli public want the two states solution, but does not want to take high or even medium risk for it. It is probably the only viable long term solution and people understand it, but does not think that the Palestinians really accepts Israel and wants peace.

[@mastercheatcomplete]

The majority of Israelis would be extremely happy to live in an era of peace with the Palastinians, they would be willing to make a lot of concessions for it - but some things are non negotiable - the first is military control over the high grounds in the west bank and in the north of Israel that under enemy control would provide an existential threat (when considering Israel's geography and size) and the second is the ability of Palastinians to vote in parliament (what Palastinians refer to as the right of return) - becuase that would mean the end of the Jewish state, and create another entity, which in the best case would be like any other country in the world where Jewish security depends on the goodwill of the current government, and in the more likely case will spark a civil war that will probably end in a massacre. Anything outside of these two fundamental cores of any future negotiations, most Israelis would be willing to give up A LOT. The problem is that Palestinians have historicaly cared more about jews not having their own state, than they cared about having their own state and actually building something for themselves.

[@0israel0c0]

Even low risk is unacceptable. Take gaza tunnels * real terror country next to you in 20 years? 2 state isnt acceptible. They should behave or leave

[@liamoconlocha3264]

No, one state and stop your extreme apartheid

[@itsikmiz]

@@liamoconlocha3264 one state is a nightmare that leads to more harm and more violence. It undermines the root cause for the state of Israel and the notion of Jewish sovereignty. It also undermines the cultural, self determination and aspirations of the Palestinians (RoR for example). Only two states solutions is a viable long term solution that enable both people to dignity and self determination.

[@MmmAaaMmmAaa..__..]

@@liamoconlocha3264 If you want to live in an Arab country, or under Sharia law, oh so very bad, you have a lot of countries to choose from. Israel is a western country with western values. There are over 2 million Arab-Israeli citizens of Israel that I believe are not exactly running to live in all those other wonderful Arab countries, for good reason. When they immigrate, they do so to the US and Europe, for the exact same reason. Israel has many problems, and the Arab-Israeli population is discriminated against sometimes, but they have equal rights. They are in Parliament and the supreme court. It’s not exactly apartheid. Things could be better for them though, for sure. But insisting on a state for Israelis and Palestinians is a sure fire way to make absolutely sure it not only will never happen (it won’t in our lifetime), but ensures there will never be a Palestinian state as well. Whomever is promoting the one state idea is literally working against a Palestinian state.

[@glbale]

I'm not sure that I would be a better person knowing the "view from the Israeli right."

[@schrecksekunde2118]

how can you brainwash and dominate them when you don't understand them ? don't say you forgot "project Bolshevik world government" we all agreed on at our weekly meeting in the bunker when Obama made us swear on "the Kapital" ... it has to be done. they're too clever and their liberty makes my allergies go crazy. 😁🤘

[@ShaiGilat-i1s]

The NYT has long lost its credibility. It is no longer a newspaper; it is an eco chamber of the far left that dismisses any diverse thought and cancels anyone who disagrees with their editorial. Most of their journalists lost their ability to think critically and to actually investigate facts. In his opening statement, the NYT journalist speaks about the views aid workers from Gaza: the Hamas lead UNRWA aid workers. Goes to show how credible the NYT is. I used to love this paper; today, I wouldn’t give the time of day.

[@yamadakenji4143]

The reason the NYT is loosing credibility is not "leftism" but discredited stories like the one about systematic rape during the October 7 pogroms. A story lacking evidence which was pushed through despite internal opposition and was proven as fake by The Intercept

[@eemoogee160]

Far left? We must have a serious language problem in our society.

[@connor5669]

Oh hun, NYT is firmly neoliberal, not far left.

[@JoshuaFinancialPL]

if you get the print version it's insurance for when the next pandemic shuts down voting in person, campaign rallies and supply chain shortages where toilet paper is scarce. enter the former gray lady, no longer the the newspaper of record but the newspaper of "wreckers."

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

So the NYT isn't pro Israel enough for you? Wow

[@guusvandermeulen7210]

No blockade? Why dig tunnels if everything can come in by truck? People with great rhetorical skill often get away with lies.

[@marinasuarezdebauer6579]

I liked that!!

[@suereed3474]

Thank you for that. I have lived in Israel for forty years. My husband told me Amit Seigl was very bright, bit I didn't know how bright. Thank you Ezra for this podcast.

[@chilli_bean_23]

Don’t believe everything your husband tells you. Do your own research and inform your own mind. Amit Seigl has told several blatant lies in this interview.

[@nvlist]

​@@chilli_bean_23such as?

[@adamesd3699]

Amit Sega may be bright, but he is also remarkably tunnel-visioned.

[@jamesnasmith984]

So complex. For either side; how much of reality is captured by perception? How much of perception is molded by belief?

[@shahryarkabir]

One word: hasbara

[@streetfighters805]

💥

[@schrecksekunde2118]

just imagine the UK would have said no to Irish or indian sovereignty with "you can't guarantee there won't be any violence so we can't risk it" the whole idea doesn't fly anywhere but in this scenario the Israeli state has engineered into perfection.

[@streetfighters805]

@@shahryarkabir Hamas Chara

[@juanmunguia3790]

I don't know why the media and experts debate about leftists right wing or center right or center left. It's confusing because what I know of Israel is that no matter which faction is in power democracy is excersize above any personal idiology

[@MmmAaaMmmAaa..__..]

Not since Netanyahu became prime minister. Those days of which you speak are long gone. They might come back if Netanyahu in not re-elected (if there is ever gonna be one). In the meantime, Netanyahu is not letting go of power, and Israel is absolutely f***ed as a result.

[@Dischordian]

You misspelt "genocide"

[@shahryarkabir]

Then you need to do more reading or go visit. Democracy can also be maintained in a state that practices ethno supremacy. Which is the matter at hand. So it seems you missed the point.

[@Trenl7]

Settler violence is miniscule in any apples for apples comparison it is not on the spectrum

[@richardchurchward4413]

Really? Are you kidding?? Just how much of the West Bank will be built upon before you see how you are attempting ethnic cleansing on a grand scale. It is frightening how Israelis simply cannot conceive of themselves as the aggressors over many, many decades. But the facts on the ground bear out the reality that Israel is squeezing the life out of the Palestinians people and society. See it. Own it.

[@connor5669]

What? How can you say that? 248 Palestinians died in the WEST BANK in the year before 10/7

[@chilli_bean_23]

If you’re being tormented day after day by gun-toting thugs and your precious olive trees are dug up and your house is torched or demolished, I doubt you’d consider that “minuscule”, do you?

[@richardchurchward4413]

Oh dear. And the world looks on at the entitled, egotistical delusions of a society who seem to really believe the propaganda they have created for foreign and domestic consumption.

[@Trenl7]

@chilli_bean_23 you are an extreme outsider- the israel english Haaretz is something everyone in Israel knows possibly represents 1-5% of the Israeli jews depending on the article- and that is specifically their context in their news coverage. The writers of their own columns often wrote as though they are covering the news- its the opposote of say, the WSJ. You cant have proper perspective to see the reality from casually reading haaretz plus the english press. the criminal element of the west bank jews that carry out or directly assist violence against arabs - their bodies- is almost nothing. The issue of operations by the IDF in area A is conducted because the PA chose for some and are incapable for others, to eliminate the violence of their residents so ever since oslo in 1993 and especially after 2004 when Bush forced israel and PA TO conduct a cooperative security arrangement has been agreed to is the best that can be done-the PA AND IDF BOTH AGREE TO THIS which is wjy tjey dont break the cooperation. Those operations are counter terror. The matters of the settlers prior to oct. 7th increased because of the terror violence of the Arabs in the west bank and the seemingly persistent harrassment videos on media are a different nature than settlers criminally doing reprisals- illegal reprisals. The harrassment in land prior to oct. 7th were an ideology that they want to harrass arabs grazing or pickimg fruit on land that is not registered as provately owned palestinian private land- so these videos are people who want to intimidate - for reasons of their own miserable behavior sourced in mental state. I couldnt expect you to know this

[@שלומישאול-ח9ו]

All the comments here, live for more than a year, and not in some fancy place like Qatar or a rich area of Cairo, and maybe you will get the Israelis mind set that don't let them to just give up on atrocities - since 1929 in Hebron to 2023 7th of October

[@redthepost]

Wow, another winner. Thank you so much for these discussions.

[@Scdoo100]

Fantastic interview. Thanks for presenting the Israeli point of view. The conversation on the American left has been very one sided.

[@Tom-le3yy]

And look at the comments, it still is. Instead of taking it as a different perspective the id*ots here are like "oh he is so entitled, he is such a lier"..etc.

[@leonidlando6528]

It is not entirely Israeli view since it represents right of center position. But it is near to it at least with regard to the war. The problem for Israeli center and left is that Israeli is critizised on all issues and at least from perspective of Israeli avarage citizen can do no good in the eyes of international community whatever it does. (short of commiting collective suicide) . This empowers Israeli right and removes any incentive for Israelis to oppose really bad policies.

[@YonieZukowsky51]

Much love to all the Jewish people In Israel and around the world. It has been a hard year but we will survive and come out stronger and better. Thanks to all Christians and Moslem Zionists and ex-Moslems who pray for and support Israel.

[@omowhanre]

Yes, it’s so hard to starve people to death and be called a killer. WOW, how you “suffer.”

[@WhizzingFish12]

Uh, theres no famine in Gaza. This narrative has been conclusively disproven. Really think that if there were Gazans starving to death there wouldn't be endless pictures and videos of it? Be better and realize that you're sucking up propaganda.

[@sandrakece5437]

Zionism is a death cult and it will be eradicated.

[@marinasuarezdebauer6579]

Please tell me how can you pray for this slaughter? What sense of religion do you have?

[@kathleentrinity7367]

It's hard to listen to two men discussing the amount of trash on the street in the Palestinian tertitories when armed settlers protected by the governmemt are attacking Palestinian villages and homeowners while soldiers are making more arbitrary arrests of Palestinians in the West Bank. It seems to me that armed, abussive soldiers in Palestine will always be toxic. Couldn't a UN peace force or the like take their place in both the West Bank and Gaxa? Also, there doesn't seem to be much concern for the unnecessary slaughter of civilians in Gaza. Israel has to be strong, but doesn't seem to see the connection between land theft, abuse of Palestinians, and frustrating the possibility of a peaceful solution.

[@itsherlocknosh]

Except they are not.

[@kathleentrinity7367]

Are not what?

[@GregoryKupershmidt]

Yeah, no left in Israel. Really. How to travel ti Israel and not to understand a thing.

[@sandrakece5437]

The left fled. 4% feels Israel is using too much force during their GENOCIDE in Gaza. There is NO left. You need to face reality.

[@joanyoon4672]

Thank you Ezra for presenting both sides of the perspectives for your listners!

[@gabrielreyes8697]

LOL both sides.

[@joanyoon4672]

@@gabrielreyes8697 your kinds are the ones laughing until it happens to you.

[@tethergobrrr]

How do you both sides Zionism? debunk half the lies but let the other half through for fairness?

[@joanyoon4672]

@@tethergobrrr it is a difficult question to digest for people whose multiple generations have been oppressed in the name of Christ and went through a genocide by Nazis. When the trauma is not resolved, they turn around and give the same treatment to the next victim. I hope the cycle ends and the children of both sides get to have the vision of peace.

[@tethergobrrr]

@@joanyoon4672 I don’t think it has anything to do with Judaism. Specifically. I think it’s a hijacking of religion, similar to the relationship between Islam and ISIS. Bad people who wanted power took advantage of victimisation and doctored the Bible to support spurious real estate claims.

[@josephhans2825]

B4 Hamas Israhell had a problem with Arafat then PLO, Ghandi, Mandela ,JESUS. Always the fault of others but never the colonizers, ISRAHELL. Blame others for their oppression of NATIVE PALESTINIANS

[@elizamilkowski6967]

israhel is ur mom and dads name Thx for corruption within fatah and hamas you will never see palestinians state-- u dont have the balls even to demand from hamas to buil bomb shelters for you- hamas feeds you on UN money thats good enough

[@marycarter3972]

Did Ezra go to the occupied territories

[@James-ic7vx]

Samuel Huntington might have been partly right in his “clash of civilizations” hypothesis, even if he was wrong about a lot. There are deep cultural and religious reasons why peace is difficult if not impossible.

[@soulscanner66]

Sure. israeli's believe that Arabs are inferior to Jews, just the way most European colonizers think the natives are inferior. It was (and still is) that way in South Africa as well.

[@tethergobrrr]

Zionism is antithetical to peace but I wouldn’t call it a civilisation.

[@AbuSous2000PR]

try making peace with those who replace and dispossess you for 76 years dear James!

[@James-ic7vx]

@@AbuSous2000PR Native Americans made peace with their colonizers. As did Australian aborigines and black South Africans. Grievances, both present and historical, can only be attributed to so much. It doesn’t explain every single dynamic of the Israel/Palestine conflict.

[@AbuSous2000PR]

@@James-ic7vx nat8ve Americans made peace with settler after being genocided James. Stunning Hasbarah

[@itsikmiz]

Very interesting episode. Thanks.

[@dianatortolini7842]

The more I hear from Israeli right-wingers the more entitled I think they are, and the more I think the US should decouple from its close relationship with Israel.

[@Agtsmirnoff]

Heaven forbid they want to be able to live without being subjected to suicide, bombers and rocket attacks. Those horrible entitled Jews.

[@Tom-le3yy]

Its not entitled to believe you have a right to exist and defend that right. Dont want to support Israel? Dont, even lobby for it for all we care. But also, dont distort the truth as often happens with these kind of positions.

[@dshamos]

No more or less entitled than thou.

[@dianatortolini7842]

@@Tom-le3yy It's entitled to believe the tax dollars and weapons of the United States should be available on demand, to Israel or any other country. Every nation state engaged in arms sales should consider the ethical implications of the use of those weapons. Restrictions, caveats, and enforced consequences for misuse and violation of international law are reasonable moral red lines, not tedious bureaucracy to be avoided via the Republican Party. Supporting Israel is one thing. Letting the world burn to do it is another.

[@fab006]

How entitled of them to want safety from the genocidal maniacs next door.

[@hudakhalidi6868]

Both dismissed the right of the Palestinians to self determination.

[@themictator]

They could have had a state, complete with self determination in 1994, after Oslo. They chose suicide bombings. They could have had a state, complete with self determination after Camp David in 2000, they chose the second Intifada. They could have had a demilitarized state in 2005 after the unilateral withdrawal from Gaza, but they elected Hamas and shot rockets at Israeli towns. They could have had a state after Ehud Olmert's offer in 2008. They chose to walk away from the table, without even a counteroffer. Stop. The Palestinians have agency, and it seems that they rather us (Israelis) not have a state, in any borders, than them having a state. Prove me wrong. Tell me of a prominent Palestinian, that in his own voice, in Arabic, said that Israel has a right to exist in any set of borders, and waives the so called "right of return" to these borders.

[@DmitryYR]

They could have had it in 1948. But they chose war.

[@jaialaiwarrior]

Just as Yasir Arafat, Mahmoud Abbas and every other Palestinian leader always did.

[@kathleentrinity7367]

​@@themictatorl have never condoned suicide bombings or killing of innocents on either side, but there were many problems with previous "peace" deals. One was that the Palestinians were refused a sovereign state with Israeli settlements within and all that goes with that.. Another was that Israel refused to draw borders in East Jerusalem.I wouldn't place the onus on the Palestinians alone. It's very doubtful that Israel was serious. Also, Hamas hasn't had an election is 17 years, so it's not as if the population has been supporting it all along. I don't know why Israel just couldn't have stuck with the UN borders of 1948 and have stopped the occupation. The constant appropriation of land doesn't look like a move toward peace.

[@perfeitogabriel]

Boa ideia, Nima! Thank You and Pepe!

[@jamesvesta]

Long live Israel!

[@jalicea1650]

This guy has some really racist views on Palestinians. He denied the "calorie diet" and the conditions on the ground in Gaza before October 7th. He completely dismisses the reality of West Bank Palestinians and his insisting of calling it Samaria and Judea is offensive. The lands haven't been called that is 2000+ years and the actual indigenous people of those lands no longer use those names as they are Palestinians. For thousands of years since Rome took over the land has been under rule as a vassal state to another empire. It's people pressured to convert to Christianity then Islam as we can see from genetic tests. The Palestinians are biologically the direct descendants of the lands between the river and the sea. They need to have an independent state.

[@maltija1]

Those people are Jordanians, Egyptians, Saudis, Syrian. Indigenous to "Palestine" they definitely are not. If you think they should have an independent state, which Gaza has been in all but name since 2005, give them a part of your country, which is almost certainly much larger than Israel.

[@jalicea1650]

@@maltija1 Genetics doesn't lie. The graveyards dating back centuries and the remains discovered dating back thousands of years have had their DNA tested and the Palestinians are the literal direct descendants irrefutably verified as the truest descendants going back thousands of years. Meaning the lands between the river and the sea have never been abandoned. The farmers, the fishermen, and the people of the lands simply kept going under the rule of foreign kings and emperors, but always the same people only changing their religion as pressured by outside forces. Stop lying even Herzl knew this was true and the colonial project which began in the 19th century understood that the locals were the truest descendants. They even lived in villages and towns dating back to old Judea and having the same Aramaic names. They simply converted and continued on, why deny this? Why are you racist against the true descendants of Palestine of the lands between the river and the sea?

[@hishamalaker491]

@@maltija1 No We are not. I am Palestinian-Syrian mix (Pal Father and Syrian mother) and my Palestinian side is fully Palestinian and from Nablus, my grandpa literally resembles the Samaritans and despite my father being religious, proudly Arab and a bit anti-semitic he acknowledges that we are Jews of the past in Palestine who converted and arabized. We know we used to be Samaritans (likely) or other Jews and even before them the cannanites. We are not foreigners to the land as we had been there for millenias even before the 7th century there had been Arabs moving in and out of Palestine and even before hand many Kingdoms like the Nabateans controlled much of the negev and the South and also the Midianites, Amalekites and other tribes that the Israelites fought are likely all Arabs of the past in the sense that they were arabized since all Arabs are arabized even those in Saudi.

[@hishamalaker491]

@@maltija1 You know much of what you said is BS, but propose that a few families in said village came from northern Iraq to Palestine 500 years ago, why should they be expelled now? Is 500 years not enough? I mean the Americans had been there for less than that and they are considered natives of the place now, would it also be moral to kick out 100's of millions of Americans outside the North American continent? Even though the reality is that most people had been there fore centuries upon centuries by now and saying that the land only belongs to Jews because your god which 1/3rd of your population doesent believe in said so is kinda BS as well. Now did some people move for trade or commerce to Palestine? Well given that the entire middle east was under one big empire and they were all Arabs yes, Many Palestinians went to the Syrian coast for work or settlement, some Egyptians moved to Damscus or Aleppo and vice versa for oppurtunities its like the US. How many millions of Americans native to certain states move to other states? yet still this movement of people due them all being in one big continious empire did occur however it did not compromise or change the population natavity to the area also you have to take in account to some people being mixed like from my Palestiniana side they are all Palestinians albeit from slighly diffrent cities or areas in palestine though one of the generations mixed with a Syrian other than that they are all from palestine and there is no strong case for absoloute expulsion at all.

[@isagive]

Very intresting, thank you very much 👍

[@connor5669]

This comment section is deeply racist. It's like Israelis think Palestinians are just terrorists for hell of it

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

Weird how people take theft of their land personally

[@doesntmatter4136]

Weird how they rejected state offers and negotiations without presenting any counteroffer 7 different times, elected Hamas when given Gaza for free, and have Mein Kampf in every other house in Gaza. Really weird.

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

@@doesntmatter4136 the apartheid regime never negotiated in good faith. The mien Kampf claim is up here with baked babies when it comes to Zionist propaganda

[@connor5669]

@@doesntmatter4136 lots of propaganda points. They were not offered statehood in any serious way. They were never offered right of return. They were forced out by an ethnic cleansing campaign

[@shahryarkabir]

Spoiler alert: they do and they have.

[@schrecksekunde2118]

did Israel decide that Gaza couldn't buy assault rifles and c4 ? sure it did. that's a blockade. having a pool in prison isn't the peak of human rights 🙄

[@TesterBoy]

You comment is ignorant. I saw luxury hotels and resorts on the Gazan coast with Gazan families (practically no foreign tourists).

[@schrecksekunde2118]

@@TesterBoy wanna know what else had a hotel ? the Warsaw ghetto you'd be fine to have to live there as long as the upper class has a beach resort?

[@gracelloyd3758]

It’s difficult to follow what he’s saying. Some of us don’t know all the detailed history and when the host asks follow up questions for clarification it’s like he gets offended or something. He just will talk more emotionally and invoke inciting phrases instead of just explaining the facts. It’s frustrating I feel like I’m missing half of the convo

[@torrentialrage]

The history of the blockade is worth looking into, if that's one of the things you're talking about. They even blocked cookies from coming in.

[@leonidlando6528]

​@@torrentialrageproof please? About coockies?

[@Tom-le3yy]

@@torrentialrage Thats a lie.

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

15:12 the Israeli perspective is that Palestinians having rights is inconvenient

[@scriptaman2888]

Your European perspective is jews having a right to a state is inconvenient, so we are not much different after all...the difference actually is us having a state doesn't interfere directly with your survival

[@lomotil3370]

Not inconvenient, but deadly.

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

@@scriptaman2888 from an American perspective, we were attacked on 9/11 because of our support for Israel and Saudi Arbia. The current ethnic cleansing in Gaza increases the odds of another major terrorist attack on American soil

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

@@scriptaman2888 from an atheist perspective, the Israeli ethnic cleansing campaign in Gaza unlines how the only thing worse than a state with a religion is a religion with a state

[@alexmayorov795]

@@WriteInAaronBushnellRather than, say, supporting the Saudis in their campaign in Yemen that carpet-bombed 500K civilians? Or fighting ISIS? Or killing 500K civilians directly in Iraq? Really, the amount of attention people give to the I/P conflict is ridiculous.

[@motifuchs]

West bank?! No Yhoda shomron - yes!

[@rachelebgi]

wonderful interview and eye opening perspective. thank you

[@evabar-el1905]

כדאי שהמנחה קודם יעשה קצת תחקיר. הוא ממש לא מעודכן ושואל שאלות ממש הזויות.

[@zeebs5668]

He asks your typical delusional American progressive Jew questions….. he doesn’t live in reality

[@compovi8461]

3:20 He was given a "sense" of things. But dismisses videos he was pointed to. Right after talking about Israelis dismissing videos. Right... Edit: He is at least correct the about what he says right after that.

[@SciGeek65]

Interesting if disturbing perspective. Israel is like a parent who doesn't understand why the "child" they beat everyday (for decades) won't behave. The warped perspective of what has happened in Gaza since 2005, treating each area of dispute as a separate, unrelated problem, the on-going magical thinking about the end of Iran as a threat are all examples of how detached the average Israeli is from reality. I was part of medical mission to Gaza several years ago. Israel agreed in advance to allow the equipment and medical capacity (nothing goes in/out w/o Israel or Egypt's cooperation), but at least 50% of our equipment was confiscated, disallowed and it took months to get some of it released. In the end, we never got all it through. I have done similar missions around the world and it took us 18 months to establish capacities that normally take 2 months, even in the most isolated parts of the world.

[@DmitryYR]

You miss the fact that the Palestinians are not children and they chose war time and time again entirely of their own agency. But in a general sense you are right, our leadership was for years detached from reality, starting with Oslo accords, and it finally blew up in our faces.

[@yanivreif7379]

Oh we do understand. Your inability to understand the situation isn’t related to what we understand or not.

[@iditbes6962]

The problem is the Palestinians, the use anything possible to make weapons. They even dig water pipes to make rockets out of it.

[@lethalchocobo1886]

@@yanivreif7379 You understand nothing. You're a colonial society in denial and get soon your comeuppance.

[@ggululu]

"Soft bigotry of low excpectations" as Melanie Phillips calls it. Palestinians are not "our" children, they have the agency to choose between peace and war. Hamas is not driven by despair, but from a concept you are blind to; theological extremism. Your view on Palestinian people is racist.

[@shahryarkabir]

15:14 except you kept a siege going…

[@gandydancer9710]

Try to express a complete thought, if you have one.

[@shahryarkabir]

Keep reading through the comments, I’ve provided plenty of complete thoughts. KZbin deletes a lot of them because they get too much at the core of this issue; the abuse of power by the few against the better judgment of the many.

[@DMC1982]

FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸✌🏼

[@redthepost]

Let us believe that the Jews and the Palestinians will never find agreement. Sad isn’t it. Really sad.

[@joseflemire4284]

unless the Tralfamadorians land at the Wailing Wall

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

Agreement? Israel just needs to agree that the Palestinians exist and are their equals

[@freemanjoel]

@@WriteInAaronBushnell Wishful thinking. Look at what the Palestinians are saying in polls.

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

@@freemanjoel it's not wishful thinking, it's math. Israel can't pull off minority rule forever

[@alexmayorov795]

@@WriteInAaronBushnell Over 80% of Palestinians support Hamas, who said that it would never agree to a 2SS.

[@mengjiang5217]

He takes US support for Israel totally for granted. As a US tax payer, his tone is grating on my ears

[@JohnChampagne]

Imagine how much more careful States would be in how they use public funds if each taxpayer could stop payment of their money toward support of something that they believe is harmful / counterproductive...PROVIDED that they put the money instead toward support of something they AND MOST OTHER PEOPLE believe is a better use of public funds. If this were a global policy, I doubt that Russia would have invaded Ukraine. I doubt that Palestinian textbooks would vilify Jews. Much would change.

[@QuietRefl4378]

Individual taxpayers cannot replace a government for making collective decisions that a country needs to function, and other countries make decisions in their own interest that have nothing to do with our behavior. It's not all about us all the time, nor should it be.

[@JODura1]

Same... Imagine all of the good 3 Billion dollars of our tax dollars could do to address the real needs at home.

[@alisonepstein3997]

US support for Israel was part of why Israel took the risk of leaving all of Gaza in 2005. But I guess you missed that part of the podcast, eh? Amit Segal, explains: "We have the presidential seal on a letter sent from President George W. Bush to Prime Minister [Ariel] Shaon - and confirmed by the House of Representatives - confirming the principles that not only Israel has the right to defend itself but that the US will do whatever it takes in order to prevent terrorist organizations from acting from this area. So how come in 2014 President Obama prevents Israel from Hellfire missiles and in [2023-24] we have to actually go through hell with President Biden with the ammunition? Why? I mean, so Israelis need to say: Perhaps we should stay there as much as needed, pay the price and prevent the situation in which we are attacked; perhaps the attempt to buy an international legitimacy with the currency of territory doesn't pay.”

[@JohnChampagne]

​@@QuietRefl4378 I wanted to emphasize the point that how tax money is used should not just be up to the individual taxpayer, so I used all-caps to say that they could move the money to alternative uses that MOST PEOPLE AGREE are better ways to use public funds. This implies that there will be some kind of survey process that asks people to compare a multitude of pairings of examples (A/B testing) of various ways that tax funds are used. The process would generate a relative ranking of how helpful most people think various public programs / services / projects are. We are in agreement that this should not just be up to each individual but should reflect community values.

[@danielskaluba5520]

The sense of entitlement here is next level. Israelies just take the tail wagging the dog for granted.

[@bigtuna45]

The most disheartening part about all of these interviews is how widespread this mindset is.

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

Israeli actions in Gaza are suicidal

[@Erinvllc]

​@@WriteInAaronBushnell 😂😂😂

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

@@Erinvllc this is the beginning of the end of apartheid in Israel Palestine

[@aske1602]

I don't see that the Israelis have any option other than to invade Gaza. Much of the problems can be laid at the fault of the international community, failing to hold the Palestinians to any standard. Israelis have no reason to believe the Palestinians will agree to anything.

[@flamboyentpromotions3471]

Segal denied the blockade then tried to talk like he's not part of the Israeli right, this is pure delusion😂

[@yamadakenji4143]

The Zionist bubble seems quite impenetrable. Even Ezra Klein seemed gasping from disbelief a few times during the conversation

[@ARE_YOU_SICK_OF_YT_CENSORSHIP]

well, if goods were entering there it wasn't a blockade even if this was claimed officially unfortunately Israeli government is spineless and even in cases where it's not the Israeli supreme court castrates any non-spineless decision the government adopts

[@chayacohen4573]

The Israeli left also knows that there was never an actual blockade. Israel didnt actually ok the entrance of rockets and munitions into Gaza

[@josephhans2825]

It's like somebody stealing my house and try to justify it as theirs and then pretends to want peace by offering me the toilet to sleep in. Hypocrites

[@TM-100]

*It's like 57 Muslim countries - "More than 24.1% of the world's population is Muslim, with an estimated total of approximately 1.9 billion. Muslims are the majority in 49 countries...* Google

[@TM-100]

They have where to go comfortably

[@dshamos]

This is nuts. We Judeans are the First Nation of Judea. We just came home. So leave us alone!!!

[@Polit_Burro]

It's not a provocation, it's a "music festival". It's not a legitimate response to 75 years of colonial-settler state terror, it's "terrorism". Zionists weren't Capos (collaborators with the NSDAP), they were "shepherds of the Nation of Israel."

[@Jony-movingCoIl]

gaza was conqured after a war egypt initiated in 1967 - drop the auto-response 75 years... you are just showing your ignorance. israel offered gaza back in the peace process (to egypt) but they didn't want it since 2005 Israel left - there was then an airport in gaza but guess what they did? a war! since then 2008 Hamas started a war 2012 Hamas started a war 2014 Hamas started a war 2021 Hamas started a war 2023 Hamas started a war Israel (without including kidnapped people) didn't have a boot inside gaza since 2005 - so how many years of "colonization are we left with? i mean 20 years ago? ... just stop talking nonsense... the claims by the elected government (yes, they self govern u clown) against Israel were always religious - that whole "colonial" story is a narrative - check your data

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

​@@Jony-movingCoIlIsraeli has been holding tens of thousands of Palestinians in administrative detention without any due process for decades

[@Jony-movingCoIl]

@@WriteInAaronBushnell myabe thousands across decades - not thousands daily... this is what is called extended arrest for someone that has evidence against them but haven't got to trial yet - and exists in any country! but hey, you got a nice name for it. 72hours is that max set in law for anyone before seeing a judge - 24hr for a teen tell me - what its like in your country?

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

@@Jony-movingCoIl except Israel deliberately denies Palestinians civil rights and are thrown in the military justice system with no due process. This is no pre trial arrest; this is Guantanamo Bay style "justice"

[@ppetal1]

Same old bull as when they were left wing.

[@camcaasi2685]

Oh boy this was hard to listen to. No blockade? Prewar Gaza as some sort of wealthy enclave? Israel must be saved from itself.

[@leonidlando6528]

The retotical tool you used, perhaps subconciesly , is called "ad absurdum". The speaker didnt claim that Gaza was wealthy but that it had wealthy and poor people and very far from being "open air prison" often described by western "useful idiots". Was it hard for you to deal with the claim as it was you couldnt deal with the claim as it was so you subconsiency had to exgagerate it so it will be easier to dismiss?

[@soulscanner66]

@@leonidlando6528 There is a blockade though. Gaza's port is closed and that's enforced by the IDF's navy. The airport is closed and that's ensured by IDF fighter jets. All goods must go through Israel. Anyone leaving or going must pass through Israeli security and carry an Israeli ID. Israeli soldiers cross the border at will. It is an open air prison. There were rich Jews in the Warsaw ghetto too, but that doesn't prove anything. A ghetto is a ghetto.

[@Agtsmirnoff]

Pre-war Gaza had the highest per capita recipients of aid in the world. Every single one of their needs was taken care of, given to them by the UN. Food, healthcare, education (if you can call that) I’ll provide free of charge and unlimited amounts to the Palestinians and Gaza

[@Agtsmirnoff]

@@soulscanner66Gaza doesn’t have a port…

[@Agtsmirnoff]

@@soulscanner66 imagine if there wasn’t a blockade, and Hamas was able to import the same weapons from Iran as Hezbollah does. They are 100% in the right to have a blockade based on who they opted to elect as their leaders.

[@TM-100]

29:43 *Did you take note that 7% of tax revenue is wasted to promote terror? PRIORITIES, dear sir*

[@shanedoyle8933]

Not enough push back. Ezra wasn't prepared.

[@chayacohen4573]

He tried...

[@elizamilkowski6967]

NYT open a office Gaza why not?? you will get to see that sitting in 2 chairs is not working too well in radical islam-- they have only ONE way--

[@joeyjoejoe314]

Amit sounds like propaganda

[@What-kw6ox]

lol. There is only right and extreme right.

[@yanaantonio42]

What does he mean “there’s no blockade”?

[@doesntmatter4136]

Gaza has a border with Egypt, and Israel inspecting what goes into Gaza to prevent weapons from going in isn't a 'blockade' as many things still go through.

[@Extirpationofproject2025]

Settler colonialism. Someday, this skewed and misused (in relation to Israel) termof art will be relegated to the dusty collection of concepts such as "perestroika" and "detente".😊

[@philippa5400]

Israel ceased to occupy Gaza in 2005? What rubbish

[@maltija1]

Oh? And you know this how, from the comfort of your up-to-now democratic home country?

[@Shrulik]

rubbish? Israel dismantled all its installations, pulled out, kicked out the Jews and even dismantled Jewish cemeteries. For antisemitic like you, Jews occupy every seconds of your life

[@compovi8461]

Its a fact. educate yourself instead of writing rubbish.

[@mandelmon]

Lets face the truth. Knowing Israel, it will never leave any territory willingly unless it is forced to. Saying that Israel left a territory willingly is totally an absurd drama !!

[@Shrulik]

@@mandelmon Obviously you are ignorant and propagate ignorance. Israel gave up 450 Km2 to Jordan from Israeli proper territory within the international borders as part of the 1994 peace deal because King Hussein asked.

[@veralevy7036]

Ganz has no chance at all to ever become Prime Minister.

[@petercohen5563]

I worked in Gaza. What he’s saying about Gaza before the war is completely false.

[@Petruscaceres]

What is false? The resorts? The resurants? The luxury car dealerships?

[@petercohen5563]

@@Petruscaceres it’s the overall picture being painted. Gaza was economically strangled and about 40% of the people were living in poverty. The occupation made it almost impossible to study abroad, get medical treatment abroad, conduct import-export businesses or even do business due to the high costs imposed by the blockade. But there was also a small and widely hated elite running the strip that lived well. We now know that this class was financed and supported by Israel, much like their counterparts in Ramallah, and served to perpetuate the status quo.

[@antonboulakhov5001]

​@@petercohen5563Interesting. So it is Israel's fault how Hamas chose to distribute wealth or for instance invest millions in tunnels network instead in the average Gazan?

[@Petruscaceres]

@@petercohen5563 do you know the poverty rate in Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon? What's your point? Gazans who worked in Israel made good money, 18 thousands workers entered Israel everyday, something the Israeli government promoted including allowing entering millions of dollars from Qatar to Gaza every month. If there's something Netanyahu pushed and being criticized for it today, is the prosppety of Gaza. The us, eu and oil gulf countries poured billions and billions of dollars into Gaza, since the Oslo accords. Their leaders stole it from the people and invested every dime in death.

[@petercohen5563]

@@Petruscaceres I’ve been to Egypt and Jordan. I work in intern development. I’ve never seen anything like Gaza. It’s a prison. It is was an absolutely unbearable situation. No people can be kept in a condition like that. White South Africans also argued that Blacks had economic benefits under Apartheid but their economy actually relied on Black Labor. The Zionists from very early worked to avoid dependence on Palestinian Labor and openly proclaimed a policy of “Jewish Labor.” Only about 40,000 Gazans were allowed to work in Israel before October 7th, or less than 2% of the population. That’s not significant.

[@ChetHanks-eh1md]

how can there be peace when Israel doesn't want it? All this blame on Hamas when Israel and illegal settlements have broken any chance of peace.

[@disciple786]

The right seems to not understand the gini coefficient. Violence is caused by income inequality not any absolute level of poverty. Violence is about power and control not survival. Also Israel numbers are wrong on the ratio of civilian casualties. It is at the critical level where the terrorists get recutting power. This is either incompetence or corruption. As far as a concrete solution it's very simple. The US figured his out the hard way. You use the military as a police force to back up the merchant class (rather than blowing up the store). The terrorists operate like a yakuza gang faction giving extra security to the ppl. Take away the purpose of the organization and then the organization becomes much less powerful and popular.

[@doesntmatter4136]

and yet terrorists are on average better educated and have higher incomes than non-terrorists. The Gini coefficient does not explain terrorism, it explains crime. Stop conflating two completely different phenomena, with completely different stated motivations. The purpose of the organization is the genocide of jews worldwide. This is what they ran on, and this is why they are supported. There are plenty of other terrorist factions in Gaza 'giving extra security.' You are clueless.

[@aaronvisser3706]

This guy is so racist it’s crazy Ezra didn’t challenge him. He basically said there’s no difference between Hamas and civilians.

[@Boymanjusri]

Civilians have been brainwashed for years, if 99% Palestinians do not allow the existence of Isreal. Then it’s their choice for war, therefore Hamas, then don’t complain about consequences of war.

[@monicabeaston4996]

The Israeli government posted on its social media recently, something like the " elephant in the room" ..[ is] there are no innocent civilians/ Palestinians in.Gaza.

[@torrentialrage]

He almost didn't have to. It was just such a stark perspective it speaks for itself.

[@Tom-le3yy]

Why is that racist? Polls show 70-90% of palestinians support October 7th, its a statement of fact.

[@torrentialrage]

@@Tom-le3yy Do you understand that there are international laws establishing distinction between the killing of civillian vs military individuals for a reason?

[@lesweizman388]

ezra....time for you to do teshuva

[@marcusmatthews8255]

This dude is in denial on the reality and Gaza. Interesting.

[@victoriaspharmacy491]

You are wrong. Gantz and Lapid are as left as it gets. NETANYAHU is center- right .

[@andrewduff2048]

Blockades are defined by international law and saying stuff came in so there was no blockade is just ridiculous. A blockade means you inspect everything that comes in and just let civilian goods in. The type of blockade used against Germany in WW1 would be a war crime and a crime against humanity if it was done today because it targeted the civilian population with starvation. This is the type of blockade the prosecutor for the ICC alleged when he sought an arrest warrant for Netanyahu.

[@leonidlando6528]

Interestengly what Israelis had in Gaza pre war was exactly what you suggested. Not a blockade but restriction of prohibited items. According to UN some 600 trucks were entering Gaza. This doesn sound like WW2 blockade, isnt it?

[@Tom-le3yy]

Thats an embargo, not a blockade. A blockade usually means nothing gets in or out. But gaza was never under a blockade or embargo as Egypt kept its border crossing pretty much open for 17 years. Thats how they stock piled 15,000 ground to ground rockets and missiles and built all of their tunnels.

[@alisonepstein3997]

An oversimplification that doesn't distinguish between military and non-military items.

[@jaialaiwarrior]

These elites who want to rewrite the rules of how the Allies should have waged WW2 will sleepwalk us right into the next world war. Mark my words.

[@talarad1571]

why every gazas have a phones ?

[@Edo9River]

😂❤ So I’m confused about where we, the US,, is standing regarding its position towards Israeli peace in Gaza. What do we want Israel😂 to do and what is our vision of the road ahead for the next, say 2 years.

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

Israeli is sowing the seeds of its own destruction. Minority rule in Israel-Palestine has hit it's peak

[@Ninoblack88]

Lol listen to this interview and the delusion.... They want us to be part of this delusion and we have been willing participants for decades in this toxicity which is getting worse. This guy being interviewed is living in a dangerous alternative reality that will only harm Israelis and Jews everywhere. It's shocking the amount of delusion.

[@dshamos]

Actually it's none of your business. You don't decide our lives. Who do you think you are? Just let us live in peace and keep your opinions for your self and representatives.

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

@@dshamos we should keep our military aid to ourselves

[@ahagamama]

What are the "peaceful periods" that this interviewee is talking about? For Palestinians there has never been any real peace. Israelis are afraid because, like anyone guilty of bullying or beating someone else; when your victim begins looking stronger, you will be afraid. Israel - learn something from the Jewish teachings that you want to define your country with! Love your neighbor as yourself.

[@יצחקרן]

לקקן מקצועי עם קבלות הגאון הזהמקבל לפני הזחיחות בהופעתו יש ניירהכתובבביד שמאל האיתר הוא הבוס

[@SnappyWasHere]

I’ll never understand why in this day and age people still kill each other over make believe sky wizards. Give up the fairy tales and work together would make the world so much better.

[@James-ic7vx]

This is the paradox of antisemitism. The more liberal and secular society becomes, the more Jews attempt to stimulate that trend (as it is favourable to Jewish emancipation) until the Christian far-right pushes back. Jews then retreat into cloistered religious societies when antisemitism becomes commonplace again. If we don’t want to see Israel become isolated and fascistic, we need to make the world a place where liberalism and secularism can overcome all of the challenges it is facing today from the Christian right.

[@bigmadbad]

It's Israel that was created cos "god gave them the land" nonsense. Palestinians have deeds, contracts even keys for houses and land they were ethnically cleansed from. So your sky wizard applies onto to one side!

[@brianross9753]

That’s of course not the nature of the conflict and just demonstrating your ignorance. And if your solution to the conflict is Jews stop being Jews and Muslims stop being Muslim, then, it really just says something about your own prejudices and bigotry.

[@Gphilly819]

As a Jew the reason why Israel exists is not a belief in a sky wizard It’s because we were slaughtered in every country we were a minority on three continents Theodore herzel and the earliest Zionists were predominantly atheists

[@WriteInAaronBushnell]

The only thing worse that a state having a religion, is a religion having a state

[@barflytom3273]

nothing but b.s.

[@polyglot8]

As soon as I saw the picture - even before the dialogue - I said to myself, HIM? Israeli Right? It turned out my sixth sense kicking in was spot on. This guy represents the moderate wing of the Israeli Right. Just as with the terrorists, there is a public speaking spectrum on the Israeli Right. At the end of it are the shouters and those who say the quiet part out loud. Then there are those who would never agree to speak to you. Thomas Friedman remarked when he was stationed in Beirut as a journalist, that what he really wanted was to talk to those (terrorists) who wouldn't talk to him. There is a similar dilemma in Israel. Those who have tried to talk to some groups of ultra Orthodox in the bowels of Jerusalem have failed. If you show up to their neighborhoods with camera crews, they will chase you away, if you're lucky. This is the same as what happens in the Hezbollah neighborhoods of Beirut. OK, so Hamas and Hezbollah take pleasure in killing Jews and their women ululate. For the ultra right Jews' part, their attitude to the Palestinians being slaughtered is indifference instead of pleasure. Whoop de do - a distinction without a difference?

[@AbuSous2000PR]

Israel ONLY had right since inception

[@jaialaiwarrior]

One side's been "radicalized" since 2002. The other side since 610 AD.

[@shulamay]

Amit Segal sees things correctly and his representation of reality is mostly accurate.. except for when he says "we all have a dream of two democratic states". I think this statement is true for most Israelies, but it isn't true for Segal and for the faction of Jewdaism that he belongs to. Unfortunately Segal has had a significant role in strengthening the power of this faction in Israeli politics. I don't believe that settlers are the sole reason why there's no peace, but they sure do help perpetuate the situation.

[@doesntmatter4136]

I don't believe settlers are a reason at all. They never were and never will be. They are at the moment provocative, but so are many other things. Settlers at the end of the day have a similar argument to Palestinians except they have a better case in the sense that 1. it is their actual ancestral homeland they decolonized from the invading occupier (Jordan), and 2. unlike Palestinians who demand Judea and Samaria be again turned judenrein like Jordan did, they do not demand the ethnic cleansing or genocide of the other group from the area for the inherent crime of their ethnicity. Finally, Settlers live in area C and most of them live in already established large jewish cities that will realistically never be evacuated, and in every 2SS were compensated for with landswaps. Tl;dr, settlers are not an obstacle to peace. The only obstacle to peace continues to be Palestinian jew hatred spread through mosques, tv and the education system. When a Palestinian leader is actually supported by the populace for wanting to live in peace alongside Israelis rather than threatened or supporting terrorism behind the scenes and reassuring his people he's just saying it for western legitimacy, Israelis, including the Amit Segal faction, will happily accept it.

[@shahryarkabir]

Amit represents the over arching view, so most Israelis don’t share that view. And no, neither does Amit, as illustrated by his immediate contradictions following that statement about two state aspirations.

[@matthewprice2553]

Montana has a Democratic senator, john Testor,so Amit's example is a poor one. The criticism of President Biden that he hobbles Israel's war effort in Rafah always ignores the condition of evacuating civilisns to life sustaining safe zones.

[@philiphorrocks6107]

we need to interview these people in order to understand what is going on in Israel but when they lie? is it useful

[@Tom-le3yy]

When did he "lie"?

[@dshamos]

Israelis don't need to lie "to sell you a story." They just don't care what you think. Why should they?

[@themossad]

Ezra, what was the West Bank called before the Jordanians renamed it in 1948?

[@titanomachy2217]

Poopybuttholeland?

[@hishamalaker491]

Part of Historic Palestine and the proposed Arab state?

[@themossad]

@@hishamalaker491 No. Try again.

[@marymay3759]

​@@hishamalaker491historical Judea/Samaria

[@scarlett19b]

@@hishamalaker491 👉🏽 *The only correct answer is JUDEA!* 👈🏽

[@royokello]

Free Palestine 🇵🇸, End Colonialism

[@ggululu]

YES! FREE PALESTINIANS AND ISRAELIS! END ISLAMIC COLONIALISM! THE LAND IS NOT A WAQF, IT'S NOT BELONG TO ALLAH BUT THE PEOPLE!

[@talarad1571]

End arabs Colonialism , free israel, free kurdistan

[@noam7554]

You either have no idea what colonialism is, or completely out of touch with what Israel is.

[@DatKidJohnny]

Ezra is an ametur on this topic. He should listen to some Sam Harris and learn something.

[@gumwallaby]

Quite disheartening in so many ways. Ezra cant make up his mind if he is Israeli or American. Israelis are always victims but never victimisers. The USA, France, Jordan and UK stopped the bulk of the Iran drone and missile attack but no mention of that. Its all about Israel's "right" or "entitlement" to have USA weapons. The BS talking points from Amit just perpetuates the hate.

[@danielbairey4411]

You may want to keep you eye on the ball. USA, France, Jordan UK and probably Saudi Arabia were very significant in defending against the Iran attack. The bulk and key were Israeli, you may want to check the facts. These countries cannot be assured to similarly participate in defending against the next attack, Israel needs to be ready to stand alone. What is the greater problem you have with this reality: that Iran can and does and most probably will attack so devastatingly or that Amit Segal, one of the many voices in Israel, does not foe out of his way to be grateful for the aid of those countries ? Or was their aid also in interest of their own geopolitical interests. Would they have similarly participated if they did not fear an Israeli serious retaliation ?

[@Aan_allein]

Problem US has by having 6 million American Jews and Christian Evangelicals who are loyal to a foreign nation

[@jaialaiwarrior]

Your hate for Israel OTOH...

[@danielbairey4411]

I fail to grasp your talking points - did you listen at all to what he had to say ? Are you a BOT or just full of blind and deaf hate ?

[@kathleentrinity7367]

Gumwallaby, yes, and the idea of occupation with military force at every corner for security is a toxicity to which Ezra and the guest are blind.

[@gildedage88]

Israel never blockaded Gaza - I LUV IT!! Blatant denial of easily demonstrable fact.

[@doesntmatter4136]

Inspecting what goes into Gaza to prevent weapons from being sent in isn't a blockade as many things still go through on a regular basis.

[@chilli_bean_23]

@@doesntmatter4136And who inspects what weapons go into israel?

[@joankahn]

Concentrate on Egypt's blockade of Gaza! They made TONS of money with the tunnels. Gaza shares borders with Engypt and Israel. Why does everyone only talk about Israel and not a word about Egypt? Why doesn't Egypt open the gates now and let EVERY Gazan out who wants to, leave? Why were millions of Syrians allowed to leave and no Gazans? Because all of the people who claim to care for them, do not. They only hate Israel!

[@rworded1]

"Isreali right" is redundant. That's all they have over there.

[@streetfighters805]

Justified.

[@rworded1]

@@streetfighters805 They've been that way since 1897.

[@idoengel145]

עמית סגל אתה כזה חד צדדי ומנותק. היותך איש תקשורת מזיקה למדינה

[@chavaneus5675]

ממי הוא מנותק?

[@idoengel145]

@@chavaneus5675מהקשבה לראיון: ראשית הוא לא כתב אלא הוא בעל דיעה, שנית כל מה שיוצא לו מהפה הוא אג׳נדה, שלישית הוא בור שמתרגם כאן ממלכתי למלכות, הוא אדם שנורא שמייצג את המדינה מול דוברי אנגלית. יש כאן מלא שמאל ומלא אנשים שלא רוצים להרוג ילדים בעזה בכוונה תחילה. אני ימני ומבין היטב מה המשמעות שזה השגריר שלנו, שמדבר תוך עיוורון למה שקורה בעזה, ותוך התעלמות מהאחריות של חמאס לבעיה. יש לו כאן הזדמנות אדירה להסברה שלנו ותראי כמה היא מפוספסת כי הוא להוט לתקשר אג׳נדת התנחלויות שמתעלמת מהעוול שביבי מייצר למדינה.